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Speaker 1: and cook is often here. Today is no exception. She's

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Speaker 2: So good? Mate, so good?

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Speaker 3: Because be not an honorable mention last night at your

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Speaker 3: I toddled up for a morning tea cookie. It got better.

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Speaker 1: I reckon the do you reckon the joy? And you

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Speaker 3: Have I ever had any cookie remorse?

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Speaker 1: Wow, you should do like a twenty eight day cookie trial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a show. Hello doctor Denise. We should

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Speaker 2: No, I'm really intrigued, like, what are these cookies? I'm good,

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Speaker 3: And the texture. So they have got you know, that

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that that trait for women to well,

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Speaker 2: I'm a bit distracted too many things happening. But overall,

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy with my with my ability to learn

430
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Speaker 2: to retain new information, which I think is important. And

431
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 2: I feel like I I even though you know I

432
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Speaker 2: would be kind of mid age, I feel like I'm

433
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Speaker 2: still growing, Like I don't feel old, which is great

434
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Speaker 2: to say after six weeks of international travel. Like at

435
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Speaker 2: the moment, I'm actually feeling believe it. I'm not pretty good,

436
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: But as I said, I've been very much focused on sleep,

437
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: very much focused on basic things like walking, hydration, like

438
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: such basics. But I have to factor them in. I

439
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: have to factor them in so that I don't burn out.

440
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: But I feel like my brain's pretty good. Next year,

441
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: I will do a lot less international travel and I

442
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: want to focus more on clinic and get back into

443
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: seeing these patients that are very much interested in their

444
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: cognitive health. And I'll probably bring back in the cognitive

445
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: assessments that we did in Melbourne, so the clinic down

446
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: the road from you craig your health. In Brighton we

447
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 2: used to do cognitive assessments. So there are little memorys

448
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: and things you can do to assess your memory and

449
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Speaker 2: if it's deceived, if there is a bit of cognitive decline,

450
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: and by the way, if there is, it doesn't mean

451
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: that's it. We actually can do a lot to improve it.

452
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Speaker 2: I think I'll bring these things back in next year

453
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: because they are important tools. I like tools, as you

454
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: can tell, I like to track. But generally I feel

455
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Speaker 2: I'm really happy to say I feel great considering my

456
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 2: mum was really having memory issues, strange things, even hallucinations,

457
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: but she sort of had weird like frontal lobe stuff

458
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: going on before the diagnosis. But mumum was having symptoms

459
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: at my age. And I'm definitely not. I'm not like

460
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm doing well.

461
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Speaker 1: That's great. What about you cook? You're forty two, but

462
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Speaker 1: I feel like you're learning and studying and researching and

463
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Speaker 1: creating more than you were probably twenty years ago.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

465
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I think a lot of that comes

466
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Speaker 3: down to just knowing how my brain works, and except

467
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Speaker 3: like knowing what I'm good at and what I'm not

468
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Speaker 3: and how to work with that better and how to

469
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Speaker 3: support that. Like I'm you know, focus is challenging at times,

470
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Speaker 3: and attention to detail, you know, but like there's things

471
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Speaker 3: that I'm naturally greater at and there's things that I'm not,

472
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 3: and I'm less critical about that, which means I can

473
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Speaker 3: optimize it easier.

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Speaker 2: M M.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing, isn't it when you know that

476
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Speaker 1: you're not you know, like for you, because you've got

477
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Speaker 1: all the ADHD all of it. Look up, look up

478
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Speaker 1: that in the dictionary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just with a

479
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: barrel full of cookies. Jeez, that shop gets a lot

480
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Speaker 1: of mileage. And no we're not sponsored by them.

481
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Speaker 2: You should consider that though.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you just wonder like should should this be?

483
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Speaker 1: Do I just optimize what I've got, like my natural

484
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Speaker 1: abilities and my natural like let's say I'm very creative

485
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: and I can tell good stories and I'm a bit funny,

486
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Speaker 1: and do I lean into that more and develop that

487
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Speaker 1: or do I like because sometimes I look at what

488
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Speaker 1: TIFs gould, which is a lot of things that I'm

489
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: not good at, same with Melissa, and I think, oh fuck,

490
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: should I get better at that stuff? Should I use

491
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: my brain in that way? And then I just go, nah,

492
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm not interested, Like I'm not interested. But then you know, obviously,

493
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Speaker 1: doing what I've been doing at UNI for the last

494
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Speaker 1: six years is a very different kind of environment and

495
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Speaker 1: focus for me. But even though you know you're often

496
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Speaker 1: doing stuff which is not fun or easy or painless

497
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Speaker 1: or comfortable or all of those things. In an academic environment,

498
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Speaker 1: and as you well know, Denise, but that that kind

499
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Speaker 1: of using or that kind of use of my brain

500
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Speaker 1: has been really good for me beyond academia. It's like

501
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: really expanded the way that I think, and it's really

502
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: expanded me in ways that I didn't expect, beyond just

503
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: learning how to research and how to run studies and

504
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: interpret data and write papers and read papers and a

505
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: fucking thesis and all that stuff. But it's like for me,

506
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Speaker 1: I reckon thirty or forty percent of it is getting

507
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: the PhD, but sixty percent of it maybe is all

508
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: the cognitive benefits. I feel my brain works better now

509
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: than when I started. And when I started, I was

510
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Speaker 1: fifty six, so you know, and now I'm sixty two.

511
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: So for me, that's a really and maybe I'm wrong,

512
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: but you know, how do you know? But as objective

513
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Speaker 1: as I can be about me and my brain and

514
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Speaker 1: my mind and my cognitive performance, it feels like like

515
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel like I lose my place

516
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Speaker 1: or I blank out, or almost the opposite. It's like

517
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Speaker 1: I can't get the shit out of my head quick enough.

518
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: It's like my mouth works at one, my mouth works

519
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Speaker 1: at one, and my brain works at two point zero

520
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: and my gob can't keep up with my brain sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Ohel, I feel exactly the same, and I'm a bit

522
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Speaker 2: similar to you. I feel like my brain is probably

523
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Speaker 2: better now than it was twenty years ago, even though

524
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Speaker 2: I was doing research and working space, because I'm still learning,

525
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: and I use that word growing. I think I'm really

526
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Speaker 2: growing and a bit like what Tiff said, Yes, academically,

527
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: because I'm always looking at the research, but I'm also

528
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: learning what works me and what doesn't and being okay

529
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: with things because there are certain things I'm good at,

530
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: like I'm better at speaking that I am writing. But

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Speaker 2: I'm really starting to lean into writing. I've had to write,

532
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: I had to write a thesis, I've got to write papers.

533
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Speaker 2: But I really don't like it, and something's changing. I'm

534
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: starting to enjoy putting things down on paper. I think

535
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: it's not so much the writing. I enjoy sharing, and

536
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: I think the talking and speaking on stages all the

537
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: time is exhausting. Writing's kind of nice if I'm not

538
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: putting that pressure on myself to be perfect. Maybe That's

539
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: where I'm at now. I'm getting older, I'm less of

540
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: a perfectionist to think I didn't like writing because I

541
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: thought I wasn't good at it, just it was never

542
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: happy with it. When you speak, that's it, it's done,

543
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: can't change it. But writing I can go over it

544
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: and over it and over it, and I'll never be happy.

545
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: Whereas now it's like just get it out there. This

546
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: information is and now it's like this information is so

547
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: important if again we're thinking about brain health, like people

548
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: need to know this stuff. It could change people's life.

549
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how it's written. The content has got

550
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: to get out there. So I feel like I'm growing,

551
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: and I think for everyone listening, Yes, you want to

552
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: focus on what you're good at because you love it

553
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: and you're more likely to do well because it's your

554
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: passion and you enjoy it. But you definitely want to

555
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: stretch yourself. You definitely want to do things that are hard,

556
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: things that you don't like, because that's where you will

557
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: grow in other areas and you'll actually get you will

558
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: get a level of satisfaction and growth keeps in that word.

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Speaker 2: I don't usually use that word, but that's sort of

560
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Speaker 2: what's coming to me. Because even if you're in forty fifty,

561
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Speaker 2: sixty seventy, you can still be growing your mind, growing

562
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: your muscles. We're not over at a certain age, so

563
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Speaker 2: I think you know everything you've done, Craig. So good

564
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Speaker 2: for your brain. And when we again thinking about cognitive

565
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Speaker 2: decline or cognitive ability, there was a paper published in April.

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Speaker 2: And not that we need the research to prove this,

567
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: but it's nice to see good data. But there was

568
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Speaker 2: a paper published that was looking at the risk factors

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Speaker 2: and the preventative things we can do to reduce dementia

570
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Speaker 2: in Alzheimer's, stroke and hypertension because they're also closely linked.

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Speaker 2: And when it came to the brain, cognitive activity as

572
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Speaker 2: a protective factor stood out above everything. Yes, exercise is important,

573
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: a whole food diet comes up, but activity using your brain.

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Speaker 2: When you're looking at the reason I keep people can't

575
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: see me because we're on a podcast, but I keep

576
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: sort of stretching my hand out because it shows you

577
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Speaker 2: in a circle. There's a visual. But the one that

578
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Speaker 2: stands out the most is cognitive cognitive activity. Use your brain,

579
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Speaker 2: keep learning things, keep doing new things, and that will

580
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Speaker 2: keep your brain young.

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Speaker 1: I love the story about the anterior mid singulate core text.

582
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Speaker 1: You know what that is?

583
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Speaker 2: I am what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So there's part of brain which is called the

585
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Speaker 1: amc C anterior mid singulate cortex. And when you do

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Speaker 1: hard things, like things that you don't want to do,

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Speaker 1: you know, things that you could delay, like you're like, oh, fuck,

588
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: I really should clean this up before I go to bed,

589
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: but fuck it'll it's not going to go anywhere. I'll

590
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Speaker 1: do it in the morning. But then you just go no,

591
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: and you go and do it, right, You just go

592
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Speaker 1: and do that thing. Or you're too tired. You know,

593
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Speaker 1: you meant to do your ten thousand steps. It's eleven

594
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: o'clock at night, and you know you could get away

595
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: with not doing You're up to seven. You've got to

596
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: do three more, and you could just go to bed,

597
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: and you go, fuck it, I'm going to go do

598
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Speaker 1: my three just because I want to tick this box

599
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: every day and I know I don't have to, but

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Speaker 1: I'm going to. So when you do these things that

601
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: you don't need to do or you don't have to

602
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: do by necessity, but you just choose to do them.

603
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: So you take the you know, the narrow path, not

604
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: the wide path, or the higher path not the lower path.

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00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: There's a part of a brain that actually gets bigger,

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Speaker 1: which is that the anterior mid singulate cortex. And Andrew

607
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: Huberman talks about this quite a lot. But what it

608
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: does is irrespective of the task. It could be cleaning

609
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: your room, it could be going for a run, it

610
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: could be having a hard conversation with somebody that you

611
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: really don't want to have, but you you just put

612
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: on your big boy pants or your big girl pants

613
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: and you go and have the conversation. And so it's

614
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: in the doing of these things that are mentally and

615
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: perhaps physically challenged that this part of the brain adapts

616
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: and crads new neural pathways and physically gets bigger. Then

617
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: when we do that, over time, we just get better

618
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: at doing hard things, you know. And it's like the

619
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Speaker 1: beauty of this is our brain can keep adapting and

620
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: learning and upgrading pretty much at any age. You know. Obviously,

621
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Speaker 1: with people with real degradation there are issues. But for

622
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Speaker 1: the average person listening to this, who isn't in the

623
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Speaker 1: middle of you know, Alzheimer's or some kind of brain disease. Yeah,

624
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: the thing is we can all train our brain and

625
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: prove our cognitive function focus, attention, memory, recall performance, you know,

626
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: even maths, even writing, even creativity. I mean, that's the

627
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: beauty of this stuff. That's why I just love the

628
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: fact that, well two things. One, we have more potential

629
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Speaker 1: than we understand. I know that sounds cliche, but I

630
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: truly believe that on a range of levels physically, mentally, emotionally, creatively, professionally, personally,

631
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: we just have more talent than we realize. But then

632
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: the next challenge is getting people to actually believe that,

633
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: because I think our self doubt and our fear gets

634
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: in the way of what we can do.

635
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: And for those who are listening, you know, you mentioned

636
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Speaker 2: if someone does have a lot of you know, degradation

637
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: in the brain or has Alzheimer's, a brain disease. You know,

638
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to report that when I was in October,

639
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: when I was in California in October, just a few

640
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: months ago, Dale Brettison, who is one of the leaders

641
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: in Alzheimer's research, was showing phenomenal updates on reversing cognitive

642
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: decline in Alzheimer's. You know, parts of the brain that

643
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: had so much damage or all lit up doing the

644
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: scans and then the improvement you know, in three to

645
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: six months, and particularly in twelve months. So there is

646
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: a lot happening, and I came away from that event

647
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: just like mind blown. The advancements, mind you. I mean

648
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: they are talking about some pharmaceuticals potentially, there are some

649
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: drugs coming out, but our focus wasn't on that. The

650
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: focus is on the lifestyle thing. So he has a

651
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: pretty it's a very intense program he has reversing Alzheimer's

652
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: clinics in the US. But it's the diet, it's the exercise,

653
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: it's the supplements. There's no one protocol that's working out.

654
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: What were the triggers, you know, if someone got mold,

655
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: or is it the genetics? You know? Is it this?

656
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: Is it that you know? There are different things some

657
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: people say Alzheimer's is you know type three diabetes. A

658
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: lot of people have blood sugar issues. But it's working

659
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: through all of that and bringing the body back to

660
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: balance and people can heal even further along in the

661
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: journey than what's than once we thought, so really really promising.

662
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: I would say in the next five to ten years,

663
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: hopefully it becomes a lot more known that we really

664
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: can do so much, because I think a lot of

665
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: people still don't even realize I think that's it. You've

666
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: got a diagnosis, get your things in order, you know,

667
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 2: that's it, You're done. And that's not the case at all.

668
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, crea teene's getting a fair run at the moment.

669
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: In the conversation on the interwebs, it's like it's the

670
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: most spoken about supplement. It's the most researched supplement. Are

671
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: you having high dose? Are you having the high dose?

672
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: And how high and how much at a time, and

673
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: how do you feel?

674
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't get like some people get diarrhea,

675
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: some people have gut aches. This is why we need

676
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: to find out what works for us. I was doing

677
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty grams. I've backed it off. I'm probably

678
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: having ten or twelve grams a day. So the daily

679
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: IRDI for that is three to five gram But again

680
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: this depends on everybody has different tolerances for different things.

681
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: You know, my mum who weighs forty eight kilos probably

682
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't take what I take, who weighs Nellie double her

683
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: body weight and so on. But yeah, so my daily

684
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: protocol is about I would say ten to fifteen, probably

685
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: somewhere in the twelve. I take two tea spoons which

686
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: I reckon is about six and six grams slightly heaped,

687
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: and I feel good. I feel like my brain works better.

688
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: I would call it cognitive support. I wouldn't call it

689
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: a miracle or anything. But you know, the thing is

690
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: that it's hard to know, isn't it, because there are

691
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: so many variables around what makes your brain work well?

692
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: Like I sleep really well, so that helps. I don't

693
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: drink booze, so that helps. I don't eat shit food,

694
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: so that helps. I stay really well hydrated, so that

695
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: helps I lift weights. That helps I don't really suffer

696
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: from anxiety or stress. Helps. I have good social support.

697
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: A few people love me, so that helps. You know,

698
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: there are so many things that impact how a person's

699
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: brain works, you know, for good or bad. Then to

700
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: try to think, oh, this is going to make a

701
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: twenty five percent difference or a two percent difference or

702
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: no difference, it's almost impossible to know because you know

703
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: you're doing so many things at once. But I think

704
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: if you for people who want to and whether or

705
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: not it's with creatine or any kind of intervention or

706
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: any kind of thing, that you want to try keep

707
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: everything else the same and introduce one thing you know,

708
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: don't introduce two things or three things or four things,

709
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: because then we don't know what's working.

710
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: You know, and consider where you get it from, like

711
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: maybe speak to someone in a health food store or

712
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: a pharmacy. You want to get a good quality product.

713
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be exippient. Sometimes you know, things don't

714
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: have the exact doses. So being very cautious of what

715
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: you're actually getting and if you have the opportunity working

716
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: with a but if not, at least speaking to someone

717
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: at the health food store sometimes as a naturopath or

718
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: an expert or even the pharmacist that pharmacies usually have

719
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: someone that's trained in the supplements that you can have

720
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: a chat to. The reason I ask about the creatine

721
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: is there was you know these podcasts. I love Ronda Patrick.

722
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: You know, Ronda Patrick and I do similar things, but

723
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: she stayed in in research. But she was saying, you know,

724
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: fifteen grams. I think it was fifteen, maybe more than that,

725
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: but we'll get rid of jet lag. And there was

726
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and I get jet lag, right, I'm

727
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: flying from the other side. So I had fifteen grams

728
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: and as I've done it twice now because I thought

729
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: I may be the first time, and I'm about to

730
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: use a different type of creatine, even though I know

731
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: the stuff I've got pure, it's compounded. But anyway, I'm

732
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: going to try a different one and see if it's

733
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: the type. But on both occasions, I have felt like awful,

734
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: like actually a little bit. It made me feel worse,

735
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: a little bit, almost sort of dizzy, not nice in that,

736
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: like a little bit, tiny bit not off. I feel

737
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: more off, and one hundred percent did not get rid

738
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: of my jet lag. I was devastated. And the first

739
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: time I thought, oh, maybe that's a one off. The

740
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: second time, however, now I went to a talk just

741
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: last month in Hong Kong, but they were saying you

742
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: never have fifteen grams as a one off, Like they

743
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 2: said you should have five grams three times a day.

744
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, maybe that is the issue. Though

745
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 2: that wasn't talked about people to say have a high dose.

746
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: The impression I got is that you needed to have

747
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: that much for it to cross the blood rain barrier.

748
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: If you have the smaller doses that we typically have,

749
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: like five grams, which I'm fine with, you won't get that.

750
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: But then I've now heard you would never have that

751
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: much at once because you do get you know, gastrointestinal

752
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: stuff things like that, have it spread a day. So

753
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: that's the difficult thing too, you know, knowing how to

754
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: take things. But yeah, just be cautious. I'm obviously very

755
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: experimental with myself and I know that I can get

756
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: good quality products. But for me personally, I did not

757
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: feel better having that much. Unfortunately, that is not my

758
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: wonder drug at the moment. But I'll keep you posted

759
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: if things.

760
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: I did see some research recently on creatine gummy bears

761
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: and they tested like I don't know, fifty different brands

762
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: and most of them had nothing in them. Most of

763
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: them had somewhere between like so gummy bears that were

764
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: meant to have three grams I think of creatine per

765
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: gummy bear on average, and most of them had between

766
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: zero and one. Yeah, and a lot of them had

767
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: zero creatine, like about half. And people are just people

768
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: are just basically eating lollies. Yeah, it's such an unregulated,

769
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: dodgy industry, especially when.

770
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: You buy things online. Like I have patients and they'll

771
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, you know, what do you

772
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: think about this? And it's this thing, and sometimes they're

773
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: quite expensive. It's this powder that's marketed as this thing,

774
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: and it's been on Instagram or TikTok or something, and

775
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: they come to me and they're like, oh, and then

776
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: it's a subscription model. There's spending hundreds to get this powder,

777
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, each month, and it's got all these things.

778
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: And the first thing I say is where's it mate?

779
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: Where are they getting the ingredients? I can't advise you.

780
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: They're like, should I take this? I'm like, the ingredients

781
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: look great, but are they the ingredients? Are they the dose?

782
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: I can't advise you because I don't know that product

783
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: and I don't know who makes it. The things that

784
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm generally recommending, I know that brand. I trust that brand.

785
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: You know it's approved through TGA or other regulatory bodies

786
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: for my international clients. So you do need to be

787
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: very cautious of what you're taking. And that's another thing

788
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: I'll say about malatona. I mean, malatonin's got really strict

789
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: in Australia. Once upon a time people were just buying

790
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: it online. Now it's really heavily regulated. It's unlikely you'll

791
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: find it online. But the reason why melatonin, as we

792
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: used to be prescription only now at the discretion of

793
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: the pharmacist. If you have a chat, if they're unsure,

794
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: they might send you to the doctor to get a script.

795
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: But once upon a time you could just buy it online.

796
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: It didn't matter. But the reality is they've done the

797
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: studies and a lot of those ones online had more.

798
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: Most of the time they had less, but occasionally they

799
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: had more. But the reason Whyustralia is cracked down is

800
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: they've had I can't remember the number. To me, it

801
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: didn't seem striking considering how many children there are in Australia,

802
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 2: but I think it was over a thousand reported don't

803
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 2: quite beyond that, but reported overdoses of melatonin in children

804
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: because a lot of parents give these gummies to kids. Now,

805
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: I don't personally recommend that. I have a daughter who's

806
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: not a great sleeper, but I don't choose to give

807
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: her malatonin. I choose to sit with her and as

808
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: if we read a book, or we have certain things,

809
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: or in saying that though kids are pretty smart. When

810
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: I travel, her dad tells her to go to bed,

811
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: and she goes to bed, but when mum's around. But

812
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: so I don't choose to give my children malatonin. I

813
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: do know for children on the spectrum and that have

814
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: a lot of maybe more anxiety and things like that,

815
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: you could consider it. It sleeps so important and if

816
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: it helps, but in general, teaching kids to wind down

817
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: at night and things like that is I think more important.

818
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: But we've had lots of overdoses of melatonin in children

819
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: because they think they're lollies and they overdose and then

820
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: they're in the hospital, and yeah, big issues there. So

821
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: that's why it's become almost impossible, which is a good

822
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: thing to buy online in Australia.

823
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: Can I tell a completely irrelevant to this conversation, but

824
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: somewhat related to this conversation story. So I never buy

825
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: anything online and I use one after shave that smells

826
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: great and it's the only alf to shave I like.

827
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: It's called a lure by Chanelle. It's a bit fancy,

828
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: because I'm obviously very fucking fancy. So anyway, Melissa told

829
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: me to buy it online. You know, it's like it's cheaper,

830
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: it's the same. So I bought this stuff online. I

831
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: get it. I'm like giddy up, butter Cup. It was

832
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: a bit cheaper. Arrived at my post office, which is

833
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: just up the road, giddy up butter Cup, and I'm like,

834
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: woo who and I spray it on. I'm like, that

835
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: doesn't smell like the normal stuff. And then and then

836
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: I look at the bottle. I look at the thing,

837
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: and the normal after shave or perfume or whatever you

838
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: want to call it, it's like it's like a light

839
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: yellow color. It's like apple juice the color. And this

840
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: is just clear like water. And I'm like, oh, this

841
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's in the same bottle, it's in the

842
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: same packaging, it's identical. Then you open it and it's not.

843
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: It's not what I paid for. It's literally not that

844
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: after shave. And it smells like it doesn't smell terrible,

845
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: but it doesn't smell great. And yeah, literally different stuff.

846
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: So that's my that's my one and only fora into

847
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: online shopping at this point in time.

848
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: You know what I think, which could be not true,

849
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: but if you are getting a cheaper perfume, it's probably

850
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: filled with more synthetic parabens, ender crime disruptors. They could

851
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: be making your balls shrink, like you're getting lots of

852
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: like estrogen mimicking hormones. And I would consider maybe not

853
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: using that because I don't know that.

854
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: You're allowed to speak about my balls, just like I'm

855
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: that not allowed to speak about your vagina. I don't

856
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: know that that's okay. Like what if I when dang

857
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: your vagina? You can't say that?

858
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like if I don't say that, it

859
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: doesn't hit home. You know, sometimes you say to all women,

860
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: always an endocrime disrupted. These chemicals are bad. Don't use

861
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: this makeup, don't use this skincare, don't use this household products.

862
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, okay, you know, hormone disrupting da da

863
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: da kind of connect men, Just go whatever. I'm just

864
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: going to put the perfume on. I'm just going to

865
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: spray the gidiotoran under here. I'm just going to put

866
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: it all over me and I'm going to put this

867
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: stuff in my hair and it's fine, Like it's fine

868
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: as if. And you're like, do you know what's in that?

869
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: You absorb it through your skin, like prostate cancers going

870
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: through the roof and all of these things. And I'm

871
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: not saying that's the cause at all, people, that's not

872
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 2: the cause on its own, but it's this total load

873
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: of chemicals and toxins in the environment, and then people

874
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: made them, got digestive isshoes. They've got some other things

875
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: going on this and that. It's the total load of

876
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: all of these things. And these are things we can control.

877
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: There are some things we can control. And the stuff

878
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: you put on your skin and your body. It's really

879
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: if you want to think about reducing risk of chronic

880
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: conditions and feeling good and not being tied and brainworking,

881
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: you want to reduce those chemicals.

882
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, Craig, and now I'm fucus so sad. Sorry, now

883
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm depressed, Doctor Denise. It's always good to chat with you.

884
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Of course. Denise and I are running

885
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: a program in the thriving metropolis of Queensland in Malula

886
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: bar is it in June or July.

887
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: Is in June twenty twenty six.

888
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: We're going to be doing something spectacular up there. We're

889
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: not exactly sure what yet. I will be letting you

890
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: know they're what we do.

891
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: We've run through it all.

892
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: We have a pot I know, but well we haven't

893
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: pushed all of that video that you and I did

894
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: the world hasn't even seen it yet. Because you and

895
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: I need to get a little bit organized, but just

896
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: put aside. We'll tell you what dates very soon. But

897
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: we're going to have a fun, potentially life changing forty

898
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: eight hours Denise and I Tip might even come up

899
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: and say, Hi, who fucking knows weekend on the Sunshine

900
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: Coast and you are all very welcome, all of you,

901
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: whole fucking lot of you. We might have to take

902
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: the whole hotel Denise. Where can people find you and

903
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: follow you? Connect with you?

904
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: Who can find me on my website? I guess just

905
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: around Google my name, connect with me on the socials

906
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: and stuff, or come and listen to this podcast. I'll

907
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: be on again, but you can see me live in

908
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: June if you're in Australia and you want to come

909
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: to the Sunshine Coast. And we do have a plan everyone,

910
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: it's a great plan, and we're going to be combining

911
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: our combined knowledge and I'll be talking a bit about science,

912
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: but not too intense. It's going to be about health,

913
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: the aging, what you can do to feel good in

914
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: that moment, but also long term stuff. It's the first

915
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: time Craig and I have done something like this together

916
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: in person. It's going to be awesome. I can't wait.

917
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: We're going to have fun. Denise will be the grown

918
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: up and I'll be the other one. I will say

919
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: goodbye a fair but Tiffany and cook thank you. Enjoy

920
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: your cookies, doctor Denise, thank you.

921
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Speaker 2: I will see you all and speak to you all

922
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: very soon.

923
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Speaker 1: Bye, see you, tiff Thanks