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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pit Talk podcast sponsored by Shannon's Insurance.

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Speaker 1: In this special episode, Matt Clayton sits down with a

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Speaker 1: prely erasing CEO, Massimo Rivla to talk all things a

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Speaker 1: Moto GP, a Prillius Rise, Liberty Media's takeover, and of

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Speaker 1: course Formula one For those who don't know, Masimo has

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Speaker 1: a four wheel background before he came to two wheels,

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Speaker 1: so Matt dived into the archives to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: but also the crossovers between the two and four wheel racing,

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Speaker 1: evolution of a previous project, and what the future of

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Speaker 1: Moto GP could look like under the new ownership. So

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Speaker 1: tune in for this exclusive interview with Massimo Rivler.

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Speaker 2: We're here with a Prilli erasing CEO, Massimo Rivla. Massima,

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Speaker 2: thank you for joining us. Firstly, you we're speaking to

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Speaker 2: you before Australia you come here. Second in the Constructors Champion.

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Speaker 2: Good season for the team, Maybe the story of how

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Speaker 2: you got to this has been a little bit different

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Speaker 2: than you expected. How do you sum up the year

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Speaker 2: because results it's been good.

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Speaker 3: I sum up that the expectations were much higher than

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Speaker 3: that at the beginning of the season. But overall I

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Speaker 3: would say that we should be happy about what was

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Speaker 3: done with what we had at the Mona. So how

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Speaker 3: we faced the problem and we took we transformed the

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Speaker 3: problem in opportunities. So happy the way that the company reacted.

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Speaker 3: I'm very very happy about the growth of Markopki. I

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Speaker 3: think he showed that we knew that it was super

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Speaker 3: did know him as a deep worker and it was

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Speaker 3: really good to see him growing together with us as

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Speaker 3: with the right altitude, you know, that is something that

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Speaker 3: one of the key to growth to be to get

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Speaker 3: the right attitude, to to to manage to analyze really

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Speaker 3: even in a tough moment, the things that are working

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Speaker 3: well and to modify what is not working. So it

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Speaker 3: was for me quite a I don't want to say

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Speaker 3: a surpriser, but it was a very good confirmation that

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Speaker 3: for sure Marco is one of the guy that have

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Speaker 3: a good margin to growth together with us. Obviously we

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Speaker 3: we could have done with the two riders like that,

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Speaker 3: but you know, we cannot come back, so better to

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Speaker 3: look forward than having the best recovery for organ and

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Speaker 3: hopefully I'm really looking forward to see Horgan spank next

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Speaker 3: year to start again, but we didn't start this year,

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Speaker 3: and having him working on the bike and not just

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Speaker 3: getting they said that. I don't want to say the panic,

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Speaker 3: but you know, with this kind of format whereas we

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Speaker 3: for yourself to understand the bike. You just look at

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Speaker 3: the stop watch when the laptime, and so we need him.

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Speaker 3: The most important day I think this year with Orgy

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Speaker 2: I do want to come back to Johei, but you're

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Bears and not the twenty twenty four Bears.

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Speaker 2: Because the twenty twenty three Bears was so good. I

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Speaker 3: Yes, he did. I think this one is better than

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Speaker 2: Fake the Jo Hay story. This for so much of

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Speaker 2: how was that for you? Because you had to hold

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Speaker 3: I think that, yeah, that's not training to for what happened,

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Speaker 2: Now we're also a Formula one podcast as well as

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Speaker 2: a Moto GP podcast. You have ties in Formula one,

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Speaker 2: I have ties in Formula one. I wanted to ask

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, I think Liberty and Estate if

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Speaker 2: One final question for you. We were talking before about

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Speaker 3: Is it correctly, Yeah, post we started, I started in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first time we put the car

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Speaker 3: Frando was straight away unbelievable, incredible, were really incredible. The

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Speaker 2: Probably still the greatest memory in Australian Formula one history

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Speaker 3: For me personally, absolutely yes, but I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 3: I'm coming from He did the University economy. But you

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Speaker 3: Gian Carlo Minardi, the founder, was still a great guy.

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Speaker 3: I'm still in contact with him. And Paul was somewhat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he's still quite a good He's still

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Speaker 3: Working for But he invented two sitter. Yes, he took

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Speaker 2: Form Yeah, you and lots of other people massive. I

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Speaker 2: could talk post on our stories with you all day,

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Speaker 2: but we'll get on with you we can. Thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for joining us on the podcast. Thank you, my pleasure,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Pleasure Pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thanks