WEBVTT - Credlin | 8 July 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:07.440 Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:12.080 Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Jamie Rogers 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.800 filling in for Peter Kredlin. Here's what's coming up tonight. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.600 Australians hit by a network blackout that left Telstra uses 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.240 stranded and the government in damage control. The Industry Watchdog 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.400 is set to investigate. But what insurances do we have 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:33.760 that it won't happen again? The global artificial intelligence giant 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:38.320 eyeing off more space in Australian data centers, but warnings 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.040 tonight from the RBA that it could come at a 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.599 cost to Ossie livelihoods. Plus, we'll head live to London 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.159 with Nigel Farage setting up a people versus the Establishment 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.120 by election. So could this chess move boost his popularity 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.960 or destroy it? We'll find out more. And the Middle 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.640 East is under fresh pressure tonight after the US launched 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:06.840 strikes against Iran. What does this mean for peace negotiations? 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:14.600 But first, when your phone says SOS, Thousands of Australians 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:19.040 woke up to those three letters, unable to access mobile 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:23.759 data and in some cases unable to contact emergency services 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:30.600 for hours. Australia's largest telecommunication network stopped working. One Nation's 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.640 Barnaby Joyce has called for a full investigation. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.560 Don't want to be paranoid or conspiracy theorist, but we 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.560 know there is the capacity for people. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.319 To affect, for Chiya to effect. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.560 That sort of software and that sort of network, and 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.120 I hope that that's investigated. 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:55.640 And Communications Minister Anika Wells, who returned from leave, slammed 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:56.760 Barnaby's comments. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.320 As a general principle, I think when it comes to 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.640 matters of national security, you shouldn't make stuff up. You've 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.120 heard from in Telstra acting CEO that there is currently 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.880 no evidence to suggest that those things are the case, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.280 so I think it's irresponsible. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.240 Now, within the last half an hour, Telstra provided another update. 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:19.440 Thankfully all remaining services are back online, but questions still remain. 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:26.040 Still conducting our investigation into the root cause, but we 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.040 are confident we have identified a software defect. We've been 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.640 able to isolate it. We'll provide further technical details of 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:38.240 this once that once we complete the investigation. I want 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.680 to be clear this was not the result of a 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:41.480 cyber incident. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.079 Now, at a press conference earlier today, mister Acklan went 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.600 to say they must maintain trust in the provider. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.520 I believe Australia can absolutely have faith in its biggest 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.360 in its biggest health go and that is Celsterro. We 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:01.200 take these outages very very seriously. Our investment in resilience 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.400 and cybersecurity and redundancy in our network is significant. But 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.320 it is a big and complex network and from time 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.040 to time issues do occur. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.600 But here's the bigger question today expose just how dependent 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.919 Australia is on a handful of critical systems without enough 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.799 backup when they fail. Our phones, payment services for business, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:29.920 emergency services, transport networks, frontline workers, all of them rely 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:35.880 on communications that work and when they don't, questions are immediate. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.000 Warrants the government fronting up and getting clear to Australians 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.960 about what's going on here. And you know, there's many 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:47.320 questions Australians that are asking. We saw a provocative, an 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:52.200 unwelcome missile launch from the PLA yesterday and I can 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.280 understand why Australians are drawing that connection. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:54.640 Now. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.960 I don't know whether there's any connection or lot. I 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:01.200 have an idea, but it's no wonder Australians are starting 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:02.840 to questions like Daddy. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:09.160 Shadow Communications Minister Sarah Henderson says the outedge shows just 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.200 how far reaching a failure like this can be. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.320 We've even had reports of people being trapped in trains 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:22.800 on the network in Victoria. Of course, when our communications fail, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.040 the whole economy crashes. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:31.760 And she's right, communications are critical infrastructure. So why aren't 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.680 we treating him that way? Where are the independent backup systems? 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.760 Today's outage shouldn't just be another headline, it should be 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.880 a warning because if one technical fault can bring parts 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:48.080 of Australia to a standstill, imagine what a deliberate attack 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:52.480 could do. The Opposition leader raised that today this. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.440 Is how you defend the nation. Now, it's true. The 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.039 one part of defending the nation is making sure we 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.480 have the drones and the missile capability and the defense 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.880 force we need. But in a modern era, cyber attack 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.720 is real, whatever source might it might come from. So 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.320 we need to know the answers to these questions and 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:17.799 we need them, we need them fast, and that's the point. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.040 Defending Australia is not just artillery. It's about making sure 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.560 the systems we rely on every hour of every day 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.479 can resist a hit. Because in the modern world, a 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:40.120 nation that cannot communicate, cannot defend itself feeling poorer, that's 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.960 because you are. Australians are working harder, paying more tax 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.880 and according to the OECD, we have suffered one of 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.760 the biggest falls in living standards anywhere in the developed 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.640 world since the pandemic. Real wages have fallen by more 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.240 than five percent since twenty twenty one, and the warns 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:05.760 they're expected to fall again this year. Deputy Liberal Leader 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.520 Jane Hume said labor is to blame. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.559 People are getting poorer under a labor government. It actually 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:17.160 said that our real wages have gone backwards by five 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.520 point one percent since Labor came to office, But the 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.479 average OEEDC nation have seen their wages go up by 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.200 five percent, so that's more than a ten point difference. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.359 No wonder Australians are feeling the pinch. This cannot be 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.080 blamed on anybody else, and yet that seems to be 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.200 what labor is best at doings. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.560 Australia is one of the wealthiest countries on Earth, yet 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.400 Australians are becoming poorer in real terms. So how did 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.080 we get here? Part of the answer is inflation. Australia 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.920 now has the second highest across all advanced economies independent 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.680 economists Judith Sloan, So the government needs to rain in 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.799 spending to bring inflation down. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.120 That they really need to do is try and get 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.560 on top of spending. You know, they're just spending like 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.080 drunken salesce, which is probably an insult the drunken salesce 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.600 because of course drunk and saless spend their own money. 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.720 They spend it however they like good on you. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:20.360 Go, yes, But because that is adding to the inflationary pressures. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.000 I mean, basically, I don't think you have to have 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.120 done economics to understand this. If you're allowed to demand 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.560 to grow faster than supply, prices will rise. And a 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.200 lot of that is to do with excessive government spending. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.840 But high inflation is only part of the story. The 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.600 other part is tax. Australians pay some of the highest 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.920 taxes in the developed world. Our top income tax rates 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:50.200 sits at forty seven percent, including the Medicare levy, higher 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.960 than countries like the United States, the UK and France, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.680 and after Labour's recent changes to capital gains tax, Australia 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.760 now have one of the highest CGT rates in the world. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.880 According to the Australian Shareholders Association. The changes will make 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.200 it harder for young people to build wealth through shares 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.200 and ETFs compared to countries like Singapore, New Zealand and 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.480 the US. So think about the message that this sends. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:23.200 We're taxing the very behavior we should be encouraging, and 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.160 it's happening at a time when living standards are falling. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:31.160 Then there's productivity. For years, we've relied on population growth 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.360 to make the economy look bigger, but a bigger economy 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:38.280 doesn't mean Australians are better off. In fact, Deloitte says 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.960 Australia is now facing its longest stretch of weak economic 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:46.360 growth since the recession of the early nineteen nineties. Treasurer 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.560 Jim Chalmers said the Deloitte report was a reminder of 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.280 the lingering costs of the Iran War. He further said 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:58.000 under Labor Australia has the lowest average unemployment of any 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.520 government in half a century, smaller deficits and less debt 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.400 than what the Coalition left us, booming business investment with 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.520 tax cuts and higher wages that the right wing parties oppose. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.920 But Chalma's talking point has a problem that so called 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:20.600 investment boom is heavily concentrated in data centers, and much 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.120 of that equipment is imported. So in other words, it 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.040 looks better in the press release than it actually feels 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:28.720 in the economy. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.439 But then if you go and sort of dig down 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.040 and have a look under the bonnet, you'll find that 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.800 it's pretty much all this investment in data centers. Now 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:43.640 they're controversial, right, So they're controversial for a number of reasons. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.960 All the comparatory is imported, right Okay, So okay, the 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.920 workers might be local, but everything else is imported. But secondly, 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.760 they're really really big users of energy, water, and they 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.439 make a lot of noise. We want business in men 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.160 in a whole lot of sect it's not just in 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.000 data centers, and that is a concern at the moment. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:12.000 And that's why tonight's OECD report matters. It confirms what 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.800 millions of Australians have been feeling for years. They're falling 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:24.840 behind and no government should ever be comfortable with that. Well, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.480 that's said to canber Now for tonight's Political Headlines with 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.320 Sky News political reporter Reuben Spargo. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.280 The Prime Minister is bringing his specific counterparts together in 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.560 Brisbane to strengthen regional security. The leaders of Papa, New Guinea, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.559 Samoa and Tonga a meeting after Australia signed a landmark 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.480 security pact with FIGI. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.760 What we want to do with Samoa and Tonga. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.880 Lets continue to have engagement about how we can improve 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:51.839 the relations. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.640 The government is also turning to sport diplomacy. A quarter 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.280 of a billion dollars will fund a new primary and 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.240 high school rugby competitions across the Pacific. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:08.959 Will just empower parents, it will empower leaders of communities. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.360 The leaders will cup off the day at tonight's State 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:13.760 of Origin Decider. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.240 All right, plenty of news to get through today, so 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.880 let's make a start with our Wednesday panel. Senior fellow 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:26.679 at the Menzies Research Institute, Nick Cata, an adolescent psychologist 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:31.480 and Sky News contributor Clairo, Welcome to you both. Let's 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.959 start with this Telstra outage this morning. Not many parts 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.400 of Australia were left unaffected, and it's moments like this 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:44.040 that really exposes our vulnerability and our dependency on telco's Nick, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.600 we saw the damage that was done when the Optus 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.640 network went down. Lives were lost. What does the government 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.440 need to do to ensure that it can stay ahead 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:54.800 of outages like this. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.040 Well, first the government needs to ensure there's lots of 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.480 competition in the mind because that is actually the best 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.480 thing we have at the moment, thanks really going back 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:09.360 to the Howard governments telco reforms. We have three independent networks, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:13.040 so that gives us a really strong resilient system with 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.040 plenty of redundancy. Where the government needs to step in 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.679 is in emergencies like this, when one network goes down 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.160 for reasons which are far too complicated for me to understand. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.640 But at that point of course we do face problems, 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.880 particularly with emergency calls, also with businesses. At that point 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.440 of course, the government should really step in and make 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:41.400 the companies enforce a roaming agreement so that Telstra's calls 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.840 can be rooted through Vodaphone or optov OPTAs. That's very technically, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.200 it's very easy to do. But because companies don't like 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:53.480 covering covering taking other phone companies' business if they can 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.160 help it, but in an emergency situation, of course it's 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.240 vital that they do. And that I understand is happened 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.000 in Canada, it's happening in other parts of the world. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:03.840 I think the removes oft to do it here, but 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.400 they clearly need to move on that bit very very 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.680 quickly and make sure that that happens without any delay, 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.200 because I really can't see any reason why that shouldn't 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:15.040 be happening already. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.640 No, I completely agree, Claire. I want to take a 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.520 look now at this report that I was just talking 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.600 about in my editorial revealing that Australia has experienced one 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.640 of the sharpest declines in living standards in the developed world, 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.240 and this is since the pandemic. So this was from 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.400 the OECD, and they have warned that real wages are 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.280 set to fall even further this year and that's DUDO 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:42.360 inflation eroding workers' incomes. But how can any hard working 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:47.120 Australia see this and just think who can we look 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.040 to for some help here? Because labor they seem to 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.360 disblame everybody other than themselves. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.760 Yeah, and I expect that they will try and do that. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.720 Some of these pressures have been global inflation effect almost 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.080 every developed country after COVID. But this report, I think 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.640 quantify hasn't tells us that Australia has performed particularly poorly 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.319 compared to our peers and Australians don't need a report 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.560 to tell them how they've been feeling. I think it 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.280 really comes down to that promise of the Australian dream, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:22.160 that social contract that we've had, which is that you 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.760 work hard, you save up, you buy a home, and 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.400 you hope will know that your children are going to 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.280 have a better laugh than you are. That's what's being 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.479 eroded away. And with that, you know, optimism and hope. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.600 I don't think they've all necessarily become unhappy because they've 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.840 got less money in the moment. They've become disillusioned when 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.120 their effort is no longer seems connected to a reward, 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.920 and of course that's been compounded recently after this budget, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.280 and that's of course when voters will take risks on 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:57.400 political outsiders when they feel that the traditional system is 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.680 not delivering anymore. One thing that we've said Australia has 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.280 been missing now for a very long time and it 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.360 looks like it's nowhere near on the horizon is a 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.880 talk about in a conversation about aspiration. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.680 I think all this can put up for tough. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.800 Economic periods if they think that things are going to 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.280 get better. But I think Australians at the moment. What 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.240 they're fearful of is that this is the new normal 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.240 and potentially getting worse. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.400 Nick, I'm interested in your response to this report that 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.920 Labor has amended its draft national platform to commit Anthony 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:39.520 Albernezi to developing an anti racism strategy, but the party 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.200 is also going to use its fiftieth national Conference to 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:48.400 formalize their support for welcome to Country ceremonies and backing 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.600 in the principles of the ULARU statement from the heart. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.080 What are your thoughts about that, because for me, it 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.400 seems like the country doesn't want this sort of stuff, 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.760 but Labor just continues pushing it, hoping that which our minds. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.760 Yeah, a pretty interesting piece of product differentiation I think 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.680 they're going in for, which I think is what they're doing. 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.280 They're saying, because we've got two parties on the center right, 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.520 they'll take the left ground and they'll take it even 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.400 more solidly, so push out further the left. Interesting policy 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.000 on this particular question of welcome to country. You don't 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.880 really need to do an opinion poll on this because 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.440 we had a very good referendum just a couple of 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.520 years ago, as you remember, a result sixty forty and 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.040 I think that would pretty much be the result, if 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.360 not more, on this welcome to country question. So Labour 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.560 seems to me rather arrogantly, I think banking on the 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.560 fact that forty percent of the vote is going to 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.040 be enough for them or less than that, on the 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.360 basis that the center right won't be able to get 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.000 its act together this side of the next election. They 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.120 may be right on that, but it's a pretty cynical 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.120 ploy because we know where most of the country are 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.080 on this. There's no argument about. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:01.360 That and Claire loved get your thoughts on this. So, 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.160 despite denying its plans for a name change, the James 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.320 Cook University's governing council has backed advice on how it 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.360 should rebrannd. Now this is going to cost twelve million 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.120 dollars to do this. Why a university is so intent 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.440 on a raising Australia's history. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.119 Oh, look, I don't know. Maybe it's a growing belief 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.199 that the way to deal with parts of history that 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.360 one doesn't like is to remove it or at least 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.680 edit it. Perhaps psychologically that's you know, appealing. You feel 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.000 like maybe you've got an illusion that you've solved part 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.840 of the problem. But that is a very frightening of course, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.560 or Welliam overtone to it. And the irony is that 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.520 university is supposed to be places where complexity is explored, 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.720 you know, not removed. I think it's utterly maddening and sad. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.840 I mean, James Cooke didn't established the colony of New 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.800 South Wales. He was a brilliant explorer navigator. When I 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.560 went to school, he was certainly revered and celebrated. And 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.679 to your point, I mean, twelve million dollar if you 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.320 really want to change some lives and have some social cohesion, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.720 I mean, imagine what that could fund rather than changing 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.320 the name on the front gate, you know, scholarships and 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:16.760 indigenous education programs and regional outreach. So you know, when 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:21.440 we start looking at renaming the past instead of educating 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.800 students for the future, I think we've really lost our 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.800 way on what universities are actually meant to be. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.600 Yeah, Nick, what do you make of the name change 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.160 or the proposed name change and going down this path 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.520 of spending excessive amounts of money to do that. 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.480 I think they're crazy. James Cook University's got the best 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.639 brand and one of the best brands in the country. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.879 James Cook was a man of the enlightenment. He was 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:53.040 a first and foremost a scientist, an innovative navigator. You know, 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.119 he achieved so much in that field. And you know, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.160 it's just the sort of person you'd want to name 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.080 your university after, Isn't it why they get rid of it. 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:02.760 I think they're getting rid of it because they've got 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:08.679 some miss misshape and idea about his role in history, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.400 you know. And he was not the colonizer, by the way, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.960 as they like to call him. The colony happened some 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.480 time afterwards. But yeah, I mean, he's a great man. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.080 He needs to be celebrated, not derided. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.320 And I really. 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.440 Think that this is just shows how small minded and 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.640 of low intelligence universities have become that they don't even 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.920 recognize the great name that they have that their university 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.480 is named afterwards after. 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.760 I do want to have a look now at in 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.959 battled Victorian MP more redeeming. She has come out on 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.959 social media and apologized for this later scandal that has 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.080 engulfed the liberals. Let's take a listen. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.160 I think it's time that I addressed the fact that 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:03.680 there have been so many distractions, so many huge distractions 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.960 that have taken away from the work that you, as 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:12.879 my constituents and Victorians, really needed to be done. And 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.560 I am genuinely, so so sorry that all of these 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.480 things over the past three and a half years have happened. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.919 So Claire. She has apologized to her constituents, yet to 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.439 apologize to Matthew Guy. But Moira wants four members of 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.560 the party state executive ban from any discussions over her 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.760 political future. What do you think is the best outcome here? 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:36.320 Oh? 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.399 Look, I don't think there's any other outcome other than 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.159 Maura's got to go. But Maura's got to go quickly 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.320 and quietly, and that doesn't seem to be happening with 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.359 the court case that she's now launched against the Liberal Party, 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.440 and the Liberal Party can't actually disendorse her. They've said 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.840 that they'll wait pending that court case, but that never, 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.320 you know, is a quick process, and with the election 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.239 looming in November, I mean, I just see this. What 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.919 is remarkable about this saga? I mean more a Deeming 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.840 had already won she had one years ago after that 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:11.400 defamation case, and many people, including people who didn't necessarily 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.520 agree with all of her views, said that she had 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.120 been treated unfairly. You know, she had sympathy I think 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.000 from a lot of people. She had momentum, she had 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.080 the opportunity, I think, to be a very significant voice 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:27.359 within the Victorian Liberal Party. But somewhere along that line, 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.080 that way will very quickly recently that that political capital 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:36.480 has absolutely been squandered away now and I think that, Look, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.640 politicians make mistakes, and I think that the public can 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.480 forgive mistakes, but the first step to that admitting you 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.520 made a mistake. And she's doubled out and refusing to 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.520 do that. So you know, I think when they struggle 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.280 to do that, that's going to be a very hard 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.000 path to come back from and very messy. Now that 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.480 where it's all pending a court's decision. 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.760 Well, Nick and Claire, I will leave it there. After 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.720 the break, the already strained DRAN ceasefire could be officially 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.960 over with fresh strikes. So could we see the straight 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:18.040 completely shut down yet again? Welcome back. It is great 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.600 to have your company coming up. Warnings from the RBA 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:26.360 that AI data center investment could undermine Australian businesses and 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:31.119 its workforce. But now the fragile ceasefire in the middle 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.479 East is under fresh pressure tonight. The United States has 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:38.400 launched fresh strikes against a run following attacks on ships 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.639 in a straight of hom Moves, raising fears the conflict 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:45.840 could once again escalate. And just moments ago, Donald Trump 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:50.520 told reporters that he thinks the ceasefire is over and quote, 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.359 I don't like them and they're evil people. Joining me 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.200 now is Sky News defense analyst Peter Jennings. Peter, it's 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.600 great to see you start now with the Middle East 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.720 and off the back of the US launching strikes against Iran. 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:07.720 And that does follow the attack on ships in the 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.560 Straight of Horn Moves, and then Donald Trump now making 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:14.120 the comment that looks like the ceasefire. P still everything's 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.040 off the table. How significant is this escalation? 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:25.720 Well, the escalation was significant. The Americans hit somewhere between 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:30.160 eighty and ninety targets. That's a far bigger military operation 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:33.640 than we've seen for quite a few months now. And 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.680 all of those targets were in and around the northern 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.760 end of the Strait of Hall Moves, after the Iranians 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:45.920 had attacked three commercial ships. And I'm struggling to sort 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.760 of interpret Trump's comments as to whether or not he 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:51.600 now intends to go back to a much broader war. 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:55.600 I think what's more likely, Jamie, is that the Americans 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:58.040 are going to assert that the Iranians will not be 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:02.520 allowed to run a protection racket, effectively charging shipping companies 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:06.960 to let their vessels go through unmolested. And if that's 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.520 the American intent, I think we probably will see more 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.560 operations of the type that have happened over the last 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.679 twenty four hours, and they'll be doing things like hitting 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.760 the fast patrol boats which the Iranians use to go 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.880 out and hit the ships with limpid mines. They'll be 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.960 attacking Revolutionary Guard maritime capability at the north end of 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:32.359 the Strait, and you know, expect more of that. I 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.640 think that's what we'll probably have for the next week 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.760 or so, until if and until the Iranians then decide 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.320