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Speaker 1: I think we should do the quiz. Okay, there's us

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Speaker 1: general knowledge. No, No, it's movies, okay, Christmas move Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to say, don't ask me to point

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Speaker 1: From The Australian. This is the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: If there's anything good about a Christmas heat wave, it's

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to stay indoors, turn the air conditioning up

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Speaker 1: to eleven and watch something on TV. In my house,

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Speaker 1: we snuggle under blankets, sip hot drinks and pretend we're

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Speaker 1: in a winter wonderland because the festive season just wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be the same without some of the classics we've come

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Speaker 1: to love. And so today to get us in the mood,

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Speaker 1: we're talking to one of our best writers and critics

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Speaker 1: here at The Australian, Jordie Gray. Geordie, I love Christmas

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Speaker 1: TV and Christmas movies. I only know about one that's

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Speaker 1: on this year, Red One starring the rock Rock Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is that going to be good?

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Speaker 2: I think Amazon hopes it will be because they paid

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Speaker 2: him fifty million dollars to be in it.

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Speaker 1: I watched the trailer with a bunch of kids the

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Speaker 1: other day, who all said that looks terrifying. Why did

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Speaker 1: they think it's scary? Well, Santa gets abducted. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Good about.

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Speaker 1: The way they've constructed it. It's like Taken or one

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Speaker 1: of those movies. Yeah, the trailer is constructed as a thriller,

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Speaker 1: hi Jack, which I think missus the mark for preteen kids.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying Santa Claus has been kidnapped?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those weird movies that seems to

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Speaker 1: Yes, and the rocks a bodyguard? Right, I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: it's not clear. I don't think it matters what this

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Speaker 2: So Red One is up against two ginormous movies in

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Speaker 2: which is just like a phenomenon. Families are gonna want

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Speaker 2: to go see those two movies more than they're gonna

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Speaker 2: want to see like a chintzy Christmas movie and teenage boys.

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Speaker 2: If they had the choice between like Red one and

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Speaker 2: Gladiator two, they're gonna go see Gladiator too, because Swords

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Speaker 2: and Sandals is just infinitely more epic than Santa getting snatched.

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Speaker 1: I have to confess I've now watched Red One twice

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Speaker 1: with those same terrified kids. I had to drag them

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Speaker 1: me back just a week later. It's actually great and

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Speaker 1: What is a Christmas movie? What makes something a Christmas movie?

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Speaker 2: So I have a theory that there are four types

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Speaker 2: of Christmas movies. That's a classic Christmas comedy, so like

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Speaker 2: Elf and Love Actually and Bad Senator. Then there's a

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Speaker 2: melancholy Christmas movies like It's a Wonderful Life. And this

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Speaker 2: one that I think is going to be like a

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Speaker 2: future Christmas classic that came out last year called The Holdovers.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen it? No? It arrived really quietly.

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Speaker 2: It's this movie by Alexander Payne, but it became this

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Speaker 2: word of mouth hit. Just a really sweet film set

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Speaker 2: at a boarding school in the nineteen seventies in New England.

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Speaker 2: Marty this grouchi professor and over the Christmas break, one

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Speaker 2: they form like a really sweet relationship. It's just one

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Speaker 2: you don't feel like you're being like emotionally manipulated. It

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Speaker 1: This that every year. Every year in my family we

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Speaker 1: it's adjacent to love actually, which makes it feel like

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Speaker 2: Why do you think you're compelled to go back to

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Speaker 1: It's very optimistic and it's all about family love, and

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Speaker 1: I think at Christmas Australians are spending four or five

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Speaker 1: It's completely mushy.

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Speaker 1: What else fits into that Christmas adjacent category? Would you

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Speaker 1: say die Hard is a Christmas ambient movie? See?

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Speaker 2: Ambient Christmas movies have nothing to do with Christmas, but

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Speaker 2: Four Weddings and a Funeral, You're always gonna watch that.

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Speaker 2: It's just those movies, usually British, Hugh Grant's probably bumbling.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And what's your fourth category? Hallmark Chintz, which this

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Speaker 1: So these are about women with ponytails and great eye

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Speaker 2: And every year there's this thing called Christmas Con and

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Speaker 1: Because you're guaranteed of a heavy ending, right, true, it

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Speaker 2: The big Netflix one this year is one called Hot Frosty,

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Speaker 1: Begins that great love story I hear. Lindsay Lohan is

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Speaker 2: She did this film last year, could Falling for Christmas,

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Speaker 2: So her fiance was like, you should become an influencer.

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Speaker 1: So if you had to choose on Christmas night stuff

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Speaker 2: Actually, every single time it's a perfect film that can

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Speaker 2: Love Actually in April. You want to sit down with

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Speaker 1: You know you're gonna cry.

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Speaker 2: a horrible ruby necklace. To me, that's perfect Christmas film.

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Speaker 1: What about you? For me? Love Actually, absolutely, even though

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Speaker 2: Your point, I think that is exactly why Harry Potter

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Speaker 2: It's just fantastic storytelling and so well acted. I don't

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Speaker 1: Christmas movie classics. It's quiz time, Geordie. We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: question one? What is the highest grossing Christmas movie? Is

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Speaker 1: it's The Grench. Oh, unsurprised thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Who played Susan Walker in nineteen forty seven's Miracle

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Speaker 1: Is it Ingrid Bagan? It's Natalie Wood. I don't know anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm the Christmas expert that doesn't know anything about Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Okay, who plays the polka musician who helps mother Kate

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Speaker 1: Nancy Myers.

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Speaker 1: She did something good to give Okay, which actor was

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Speaker 1: cast in die Hard? A Stephen Siegal, b Arnold Schwartzenegger, C.

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Speaker 1: Which movie is referenced in Australian songwriter Jack Ladder's song

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Speaker 1: Christmas in Rehab A the Holiday, b elf see the

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Speaker 1: Grinch or D It's a wonderful life. I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: it's a wonderful life. It's actually the Holiday. Huh. Easier

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Speaker 1: to rhyme, I think not many things rhyme. It's a

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Speaker 1: wonderful life.

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Speaker 2: It's a wonderful life and I am and rehab. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jordie, thank you very much, thank you for having me,

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Speaker 1: and Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you. Jordie Gray is

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Speaker 1: a journalist at The Australian and she writes TV criticism too.

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Speaker 1: You can check out her warm, funny and very knowledgeable

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Speaker 1: reviews every weekend in our review section and anytime at

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