WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 20 June 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:07.200 On scolds Ostrodia. This it's the Wader Panalty Show. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.280 Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panty Show. Coming 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.960 up tonight, we save the best the last with a 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:19.720 stellar lineup of guests, including Douglas Murray on those eco 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:24.880 terrorists who attack Stonehenge. State liberal leaders continue to distance 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.560 themselves from Peter Dutton's nuclear strategy. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:29.200 I'll speak to Nick Kata about that. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:34.560 Also joining me tonight Kosher Gator and Kinsey Schofield. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.960 And we never forget left. He's losing it. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.680 Thanks to all the mavers of Congress and homewod Security Secretary. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:45.400 I'm not sure. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.160 Joining me now all the way from Budapest is Menzi's 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:55.480 Research Center, Senior Fellow and wizarding Fellow at the Danubes Institute, 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.000 Nick Kita, Nick, your title is getting longer and longer. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.400 But let's art locally with state liberal leaders including John 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:08.600 Parsuto here in Victoria and David Chrisofulei in Queensland, who 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:12.600 are distancing themselves from the coalition's nuclear plan. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:13.880 In Western Australia. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.959 The Estate's liberal energy spokesman, Steve Thomas says there is 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.440 little community support in around the proposed site. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.319 In Collie, also warning. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.959 That a nuclear power plant would be too big for 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:31.400 the WA energy grid. In Queensland, the Liberal leader David 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.560 Chrysifolia said Peter Duttan's plans for two nuclear power plants 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.240 was not part of his plan for the state. And 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.120 in Victoria, the always happiest John Pursuito has said the 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.720 state Libs have no plans at this stage for nuclear energy. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.800 So what do you make of this fracture within the 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.720 coalition and their nuclear strategy. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.680 I'm going to say the polite thing first, which is 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.160 obviously this is what we're to say. Obviously these men 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.320 have not been well briefed. But for goodness sake, where 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.040 have they been for the last two years with this 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.440 debate raging about nuclear They're just not across the facts. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.960 I mean, this guy in Wa to say it Wa 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.040 is too small for a nuclear reactor, he's no idea 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.680 what he's talking about. I'm sorry to say, Rita, And 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.240 if you give me his phone number, I might ring 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.160 up and give him some of the facts, which is 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.960 small modular reactors actually work very well, and they work 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.680 very well in remote locations. Incidentally, so you can power 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.440 up Cartha or whatever you want to do, you know, 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.720 so they are perfect for remote areas. Otherwise you just 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.119 end up powering the North of Wa with diesel, which 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:39.640 is what they're doing right now. So has he got 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.920 a plan to change that or would he like to 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.400 actually take a briefing on small modular reactors as to 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:48.919 Christoph Foley, Christoph Fulou Sorry, it's you know, I mean 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.040 he's doing this sort of load target strategy. But low 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.960 target doesn't mean to say not standing up for the 0:02:55.000 --> 0:03:02.040 only sensible solution for Queensland's electricity. So anyway, let's see 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.720 this play out at federal level first, And Peter Dutton, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.160 I'll take my hat off to him for taking the 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.160 fight up to the government on this. We should have 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.080 done it twenty years ago, of course, but you know, 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.160 let's not cry over spilt milk. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:20.600 Well, we've saw similar weakness incoherence from the state Liberal 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:25.840 leaders during the Voice campaign. Is the Liberal Party fundamentally 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:27.760 broken at the state level? 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:28.960 Not fit for purpose? 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.000 They certainly don't seem to represent the views of the 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.880 majority of their voters in the States, and you would 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.040 think labor has given them so much material to work 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.040 with here. Obviously, energy bills, cost of living are an 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.360 enormous issue for just about every Australian and labor have 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:52.080 gone straight into hysteric mode. Got ministers posting pictures of 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.360 koalas with three eyes and three eyed fish and just 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:56.800 trying to scare the electorate. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:03:59.480 Yeah. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.720 Look, I just think they are not well briefed and 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.280 they lack courage, and a combination of the two really 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.760 reta because you know, I mean in South Australia, for instance, 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.600 I'd be going out there as the opposition to say 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.600 we're going to make this state self sufficient and electricity 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.600 like we used to be when we had industry running here. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.120 You know, we won't have to go begging and borrowing 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.360 dirty coal from from Victoria. That's what they should do. 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.920 You know, they should actually come out with the positive 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.480 South Australia first message. They could do it in Wa. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.600 You know, the minister's or the assistant the opposition spokesman 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.039 is right that Wa is not connected to any other grid, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.240 which is a double reason why they need to be 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.039 self sufficient in electricity. They're heading the same route as Island. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.080 By the way, it's got the second heaviest electacity builds 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.719 in Europe because they rely on wind and gas now 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.720 that seems to be WA's plan. It's not a functional plan. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:49.279 I'm sorry. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.240 Now let's talk about the ABC. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.919 The new chair, Kim Williams has given an impassioned speech 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.880 about the importance of the public broadcast and the threats 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:05.920 face from social media and artificial intelligence, and Nick, you 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.839 won't be surprised he wants a funding boost. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:10.479 What did you make of his speech? 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.360 Is classic public service, isn't it. We're going to have 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.039 a review into the effectiveness of X or y organization, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.680 in this case the National Broadcaster, but we're going to 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.159 need more money. I mean, don't you actually don't you 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.600 actually make that decision when you've looked at the effectiveness 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.120 where you look at whether whether it is value for 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.719 money first before you just say well we're going to 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.120 have to put more money into it. And they're just 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.640 so featherbedied at the ABC. I've got some experiences as 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.160 you have. I mean, I'm standing here in the middle 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.599 of Hungary on a shoe string because you can do 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.159 it these days. Television is getting cheaper, not more expensive, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.400 So you know, this is just a you know, what 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.600 looks like a sensible thing. Let's actually look about what 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.640 we value. We get from the ABC just turned into 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.120 a money grab Nick, You're right. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.200 They don't exist in the real world. Every other media organization. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.520 Has had to tighten their belts, but not the ABC. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.599 That billion dollar and your budget just keeps going up 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.000 and up. Now, let's talk about the NDIS. You want 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:16.440 to talk about budget blowouts. A self described non binary, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:21.720 disabled and mentally ill NDIS claimant has revealed some of 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.440 his grievances about the funding that he's receiving through the NDIS. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:31.000 He complains that it won't cover a dishwasher or a dryer, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.480 but the NDIS is happy to pay for people to 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.599 come to his residence to do his laundry and washing. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:39.359 Have a look. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.520 The NDIS is so happy to pay like one hundreds, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.520 like four or five, six hundred dollars a week for 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.760 you to have a support worker to come in to 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:54.640 help you do your dishes and do your laundry, but 0:06:54.680 --> 0:07:00.719 they will not fund a dryer or a dishwasher, which 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:06.400 is cheaper in the long run and also promotes independence 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.080 for the participant because then they don't have to rely 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.720 on support workers coming to their house and helping them 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.920 do their dishes. They just have a dishwasher that they 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.040 can start themselves. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:18.760 Nick, He's got a point there. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:23.080 The waste and misuse of public money in the NDIS 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.000 is out of control. It's out of control by billions 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.440 of dollars. But that's just a small case for one 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.560 individual of what they're doing, and it's not even what 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.880 the client there wants. You'd rather have a dishwasher so 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.440 he can do his own dishes, but they send someone 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.040 to his house to do the dishes for him, which. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.160 Costs us a lot of money. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:48.280 Yeah, exactly, well less, it's where the NDIS has completely 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.880 gone off purpose. I mean, I know two NDIS cases, 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.200 and I know how these cares work. What they should 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:00.000 be doing is going in and teaching the person self sufficient, 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.160 you know, show them how to wash dishes. I mean, 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.440 this guy can operate TikTok for goodness sake, I mean, 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.040 I'm pretty certain he can wash his own dishes. So 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.240 you know, that's what they should be doing. But instead 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.760 it's like extended child minding on the taxpayer's bill. And 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.360 the people that provide these services, of course, they have 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.960 no interest in making improving anybody's condition and making them 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.080 more able, because that will take the money away. From 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.880 going and servicing their disability. The whole system is the 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.360 topsy turvy and badly thought out. Frankly, I think the 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:29.960 only way to do it is to abolish it and 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.600 start again, but I don't think that's going to happen. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.560 What I would like to see is is more action 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.720 from Bill Shorten on this, the Labor government really stepping 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.320 in to fix up the system that it produced, which 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:42.280 is just badly off. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:48.280 Beam Kita, thank you so much for your time. Joining 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.520 me now, fresh from his triumph at the Monk debate 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.920 on anti Zionism, is the great Douglas Murray, author of 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.359 best selling works, including his latest. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:57.840 The War on the West. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.480 We'll get to the debate Douglas and whether anti Zionism 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:07.040 is synonymous with anti Semitism, but first let's start in 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.080 the UK. With the latest UGUF poll showing Labor on 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.760 course for the biggest landslide in one hundred years, The 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.800 Times reports Labor is on track to win the biggest 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.560 majority of any party in a century. With the Toy's 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:25.800 hemorrhaging support to Nigel Faraja's reform and the Liberal Democrats, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.120 one can understand why the British public is thoroughly sick 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:34.000 of the Tories and they're broken promises. But what sort 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.199 of UK are we going to see under Labor, which 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.400 is hardly a moderate or centrist party nowadays. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.240 Well it's a very interesting question. The answer is really 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:50.120 nobody knows, rita because the Labor Party, the leadership has 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.800 been fantastically good in recent months of not telling us 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.559 really anything that it's planning to do. It's doing the 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.480 usual thing of saying that they're going to put the 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.680 NHS and pour more money into it, they're going to 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.680 make schools even better than they are, they're going to 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.440 raise everyone as living standards and all the usual things. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.760 And as I always say, these things are pointless to 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.040 say unless anyone says the opposite. Nobody says that we 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.880 would like to lower living standards. Nobody says we'd like 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.960 to make education worse. This is the kind of pabulum 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.200 we all have to tolerate in election season. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:26.280 But the really. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.280 Interesting thing is, of course, is that the Labor Party 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.400 has been wise enough not to tell us how it's 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.720 going to pay for any of this, and that's because 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.640 there's really only one way they will be able to 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.920 pay for it, which is to raise taxes, and they 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.440 know that you cannot say in your manifesto that's why 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.840 we're going to have to raise taxes. So all they're 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.720 doing is waiting until they are in office and then 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.480 we'll discover what they really intend to do. It's a 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.480 pretty shocking situation actually, I mean the Tories only have 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.880 themselves to blame, as you say, but they're hemorrhaging votes 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.040 in every direction. So Conservative voters will be voting for 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:07.080 the more moderate than Jeremy Corbyn Labor Party, Others will 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.559 be staying at home. Others will be voting for the 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.120 Liberal Democrats because they can always sponge votes off other people, 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.840 because they're even more of a Blair as a party 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.360 than Labor is trying to be. And of course they're 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:23.040 losing votes to Nigel Farage's Reform. It's an absolute cluster 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.960 for the Conservatives and a couple of polls this week 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:31.600 show them actually getting behind Nigel Farage's Reform Party in 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.960 the polls. And as you say, I mean not only 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.719 wipe out for the Conservative Party, but such a historic 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.760 majority for any party, let alone the Labor Party that 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.120 basically kers Starm will be able to do whatever he 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.280 wants in the next five years. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.360 Labor from the top down over the recent years have 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.920 embraced just about every new Marxist folly, from taking new 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:05.840 for BLM remember that, to pushing the most extremes of transactivism. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.040 But kiss Starmer has suddenly discovered the startling news that 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.480 men have a penis and women have a vagina. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:13.840 It is a. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:18.840 Departure from what he has said in the recent past. Indeed, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.600 he is performing quite a few backflips in this area. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.680 Let's have a look, Well, a woman can have a penis. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:31.880 I'm not I don't think we can conduct this debate 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:36.120 with you know, trans rights are human rights, and I 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.480 support the rights of self identification. I think we need 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.880 to respect the right to self identified and we're committed 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:48.880 to updating the GRA to introduce self declaration for trans people. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.560 We don't think that self identification is the right way forward. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.800 Is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:03.400 Well, it is something that shouldn't be said. It is 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:04.360 not right. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:05.920 Is it right? 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.199 Or is it wrong for Rosie Duffield to say only 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:10.320 women have a cervix? 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.160 Well, look, biologically, she of course is right, right. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:14.240 It's extraordinary. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.079 Douglas that a man who is in his sixties now 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:21.160 has such a fluid value system. One minute something is 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.560 harmful and transphobic, next minute his habit disagreement from the rooftops. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.080 Yes, I mean it's also quite alarming just for any 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.120 man to get in his sixties and discover that men 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:38.360 have penises and women. Don't you wonder what he's done 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.079 with his life? But no, of course this is all 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.400 just this. I mean, it's so pathetic watching him wriggle 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.320 like that. He failed to stand up for his very 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:53.720 brave female MP Rosy Duffield when she simply stated biological fact. 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.120 He spent a long time doing exactly what we saw 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:57.920 him do in one of those interviews, which is, well, 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.840 it might be true, but we shouldn't say it as 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:05.160 if as if facts the sort of offensive and always 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.520 always is dancing. It reminds me of the sort of 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.720 the religious wars of the fourteen and fifteen hundreds, when 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.760 people were sort of forced to say things or forced 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.800 to denounce things even if they believed them. And it's 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.080 like that, why doesn't this man, if he wants to 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.120 be a leader, why doesn't he just have the courage 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.200 to say what everyone knows is true and say, of 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.440 course it doesn't need to mean, doesn't mean we need 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.520 to be unpleasant or mean or anything like that to 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.600 anyone who believes that they're born in the wrong body. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.400 But that doesn't mean that facts aren't facts. It's perfectly straightforward, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.840 and it's very telling about him because, as I've written before, 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.360 the problem with it isn't isn't this issue itself, only 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.320 it's that anyone who's going to be blown by a 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.560 cultural wind that way, which wasn't the case merely seven 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.600 or eight years ago, the next cultural wind will blow 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.480 them again and again and again. And who knows which 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.880 winds will blow in the next or ten years whilst 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.520 Kirstalmer's Prime Minister. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.960 And that's the problem, it seems both sides of politics, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.400 the Tories as well, there's just no conviction there. These 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.680 these politicians just look at what the latest focus groups 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.120 tell them and suddenly their positions have changed. And with 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.560 much of the left though, one thing you can count 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.040 on is this loathing for the West, particularly their own 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.760 history and sometimes their own people. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.200 And I want to have you to have a look at. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.920 This tweet from someone who's going to be a labor 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:39.120 front bench of probably Jess Phillips mocking a guy for 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.800 wearing the Saint George flag as a cape. Of course 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.880 England were playing. The football team was playing, so that's 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.040 what that guy was doing, supporting the teams. I don't 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.320 think Jugglas you would ever do that, mock someone for 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.920 having a Palestinian flag draped around their neck. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.400 But if it's a. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:04.200 British in Balden, they feel emboldened to shame someone on 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.320 social media. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.680 Oh yeah, I mean this is I mean you mentioned 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.400 earlier Rita. They know that they listen to focus groups. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.320 Would that the politicians did listen to focus groups. They don't. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.000 They listen to a few deranged herodins on their own 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.400 side most of the time screaming banshees from the culture 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.920 wars online and the real public. The normal public won't 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.040 have nothing to do with that nonsense, you know, and 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.320 the normal public believe quite rightly in Britain like elsewhere, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.320 that you know, if your national team is playing, you know, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.440 that's the team you support, and your national flag, you know, 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.120 might be your flag you're able to fly and even 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.000 be proud of. But as you say, Reta, we live 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.920 in a strange era in the West, where you can 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.760 be proud of everything apart from what is yours any 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.280 other flag. Jess Phillips, who's another example of us just 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.760 sort of swayed by the wind. Every gust that blows 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.040 takes Jess Phillips with it. She likes to present herself 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:02.840 as this, you know, working class, straight talking woman she is, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.680 and she's an absolutely typical automatum of the era who 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.560 says whatever she thinks she has to say to get 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:15.199 avoiding the Bansheese that are howling. And yes, I mean 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.440 there's this sort of snobbery about this, and there's nothing 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.640 wrong with being proud of your national flag. But as 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.040 you know, it's only in the West that we beat 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:30.040 ourselves up like this and tolerate politicians who scorn the 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.920 public for being proud of their country. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.600 Now, you were involved in the Monk debate in Toronto 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:43.520 where you argued that anti Zionism is anti Semitism. Two 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.440 thirds of the audience gave you an emphatic victory. And 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:49.800 let's have a look at a clipper. I think we 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.240 can see why you won the debate. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.040 And there is no law of war that says you're 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:58.119 allowed to start a war. And then complain when you 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:08.359 lose it, and if made cares about the Palestinian casualties, 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.679 as I'm sure he does, then tell your bosses in 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.600 Qatar to tell their friends in Gaza to stop the 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.600 war and give back the hostages. 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:30.080 Douglas, tell me why you believe anti Zionism is anti Semitism. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.760 I say it's obvious that in all of history, anti 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.879 Semitism has been a shape shifting virus. Sometimes people hated 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.679 the Jews for their race, sometimes they hated them for 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.199 their religion. In this era, people are the only permissible 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:45.800 way to hate the Jews is to hate them for 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.640 having a state. And as I mentioned in the debate, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:54.920 this absolute obsession with the single Jewish state in the world, 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.399 This way in which people who never turned out on 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.200 the streets when Bashah Lasad was killing six tin was 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.440 the number of people who've died in every war involving 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.640 Israel since nineteen forty eight when the Arab armies advanced. 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:07.719 If you didn't come out on the streets when bashan 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.200 Assad killed six times that number of people in a decade, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.640 but you did turn out to attack Israel after October 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.000 the seventh, you're an anti Semite. And there are many, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.080 many other examples this. I gave examples in Canada, in 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:26.960 the city I was in Toronto Synagogue's fire bomb, Jewish schools, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.399 shot at a Muslim mob going through a Jewish area 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:36.040 screaming about these Zionist rats and pigs. And this is 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.359 just anti Semitism and it's the only form of And 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.679 as I said, this doesn't mean that everyone who is 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.760 anti Zionist knows they're an anti Semite. Plenty of them 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.880 are just incredibly ignorant and drinking from wells they don't understand. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.479 But a lot of them, and I think maybe Hassan 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.520 is one of them, know exactly what they're doing. And 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.880 it was a pretty vicious evening. Natasha Hausdorff, great British barrister, 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.359 was on my side, and I think we convincingly won 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.720 the hall, but we were against, you know, some pretty 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.080 unpleasant opposition. And one of them I was referring to 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.119 there Maidi Hassan of Al Jazeera. He presents himself as 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:19.400 caring about the Palestinian peoples. His bosses in Doha are 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.960 one of the major supporters of Hamas and have the 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.080 Hamas leadership living in Doha. Beside al Jazeera's headquarters, and 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.800 as I mentioned a bit later in the debate, you know, 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:36.600 Maydi Hassan and his fellow alleged humanitarians, they pretend they 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.080 care about the Palestinian people, and really I think they 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.400 just want to beat up on the Jewish state and eradicated. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.240 I think most of the anti Zionists this era, that's 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.480 really what they're after, the after the eradication of the 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.320 Jewish state. But I mentioned him, you know, it'd come 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.440 a lot better coming out of his mouth. It would 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.119 sound a lot better if a contributor to Al Jazeera 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.200 hadn't have been discovered last week to have been holding 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:03.240 Jewish hostages in his home in Gaza and torturing them, 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.800 one of a number of Al Jazeera journalists, as it happens, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.800 who have been found to be terrorists in recent years 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:15.720 in Gaza. I think it's absolutely despicable that people pass 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:19.600 themselves off as caring about the Palestinian peoples, and they 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.280 are all of these people working at Al Jazeera who 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:26.800 actually involved not just in killing Jews, but in causing 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.359 the war that has led to the suffering of Palestinians. 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.440 It's absolute hypocrisy and I'm very glad that the audience 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.600 in Toronto realized that, and you. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.560 Can watch that full debate online. I would encourage you 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.600 to do that. It is a very informative exercise. And 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.280 he also made the excellent point there we actually have 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.960 a real genocide happening in Sudan, and it seems to 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.280 be people aren't too interested in taking to the streets 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.639 of Melbourne and Sydney and London and New York and 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:02.160 elsewhere to protest against that, but they will protest against 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.919 Israel after October seven. And if you're part of that mob, 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.719 perhaps examine if you are indeed anti Semitic. 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.520 And I have to take you back to Kirs. 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:17.080 Starmer here because his response to the rise of anti 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.120 Semitism is to be seems to be to speak more 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:25.440 about the dangers of Islamophobia. Here he is with London 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.399 met Sadik Khan doing just that. 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:30.159 One of the things that is coming up over and 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:34.760 over again is Islamophobia. And when you can see the stats, 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.120 you can see the numbers rise in particularly since October 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.199 the seventh. Although we shouldn't fall into the trap of 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.200 thinking that before October the seventh, this was all heading 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.639 in the right direction. It's been far too high for 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:48.240 far too long. Clearly we need to just say over 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:53.480