1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:25,041 Speaker 1: Apogee Production, Welcome back to you another episode about I 2 00:00:25,081 --> 00:00:27,201 Speaker 1: A Bad Mum podcast. 3 00:00:27,521 --> 00:00:30,161 Speaker 2: We've got Instagram on the go. At Am I a 4 00:00:30,161 --> 00:00:30,841 Speaker 2: bad Mum? 5 00:00:30,841 --> 00:00:31,121 Speaker 3: We do. 6 00:00:31,481 --> 00:00:33,761 Speaker 2: We've paused the Facebook at the moment because we don't 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,081 Speaker 2: know the login. No. 8 00:00:35,281 --> 00:00:37,121 Speaker 3: I was like, and the Facebook for me is just 9 00:00:37,161 --> 00:00:39,441 Speaker 3: like one of those worlds where you're like, I used 10 00:00:39,441 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 3: to know how to somewhat navigate it, and now I look. 11 00:00:42,361 --> 00:00:45,841 Speaker 2: At it and go omg. Yeah, that's hectic in that 12 00:00:46,001 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: it's too much to it. There's too much happening on it. 13 00:00:48,681 --> 00:00:53,281 Speaker 3: Recently, we were selling our cars and someone had suggested 14 00:00:53,641 --> 00:00:57,241 Speaker 3: me going onto Facebook Marketplace. 15 00:00:56,961 --> 00:00:57,921 Speaker 2: To sell my car. 16 00:00:58,761 --> 00:01:01,601 Speaker 3: I've struggled to sell anything like, let alone my car. 17 00:01:01,721 --> 00:01:05,681 Speaker 3: I can't even imagine the kind of fear feedback and 18 00:01:05,721 --> 00:01:08,801 Speaker 3: response you would get from people on Facebook Marketplace buying 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:09,321 Speaker 3: a car. 20 00:01:09,681 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I have never sold a car a marketplace. But 21 00:01:12,721 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: you're really good at it. Yeah, I am good at it. Yeah, 22 00:01:15,961 --> 00:01:17,601 Speaker 2: I do you love the hustle? 23 00:01:17,681 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 24 00:01:18,041 --> 00:01:21,601 Speaker 2: I used gum Tree a lot. Yeah, obviously, and now 25 00:01:21,721 --> 00:01:27,681 Speaker 2: I am doing Marketplace. I get frustrated with people on Marketplace. 26 00:01:27,721 --> 00:01:28,801 Speaker 2: Didn't I send you something? 27 00:01:29,041 --> 00:01:33,161 Speaker 3: Every person that pops up on Marketplace if I've listed something, 28 00:01:33,521 --> 00:01:35,601 Speaker 3: I just think automatically, Oh, it's a scam. 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,681 Speaker 2: Trying to scam me, it's a scam. I don't get 30 00:01:38,721 --> 00:01:41,801 Speaker 2: that much on Marketplace. I definitely did get that on 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,881 Speaker 2: gum Tree. There would be people scamming all the time. 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,121 Speaker 2: I said someone the other day. I was like, I 33 00:01:47,161 --> 00:01:49,161 Speaker 2: said something about selling your old phone. They were like, 34 00:01:49,161 --> 00:01:50,801 Speaker 2: what do you mean you sell your own old phones? 35 00:01:50,841 --> 00:01:52,881 Speaker 2: I was like, I sell all my old phone. 36 00:01:52,961 --> 00:01:56,001 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think the last one I handed into Telstra. 37 00:01:56,241 --> 00:01:57,481 Speaker 3: I don't know why I would have done that. 38 00:01:57,521 --> 00:02:01,201 Speaker 2: They probably gave you, like a couple they scammed me. Probably. Yeah. 39 00:02:01,361 --> 00:02:05,041 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to find the screenshot that I sent you. 40 00:02:05,401 --> 00:02:08,441 Speaker 2: So I was selling a black lounge room unit and 41 00:02:08,481 --> 00:02:12,281 Speaker 2: I had it out for fifty dollars because I had 42 00:02:12,281 --> 00:02:14,921 Speaker 2: my garage full of stuff and I just need you 43 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,921 Speaker 2: needed to get it to get rid of it. And 44 00:02:19,761 --> 00:02:22,881 Speaker 2: she said to me, I know exactly, because I'm always 45 00:02:23,001 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: laughing about the fact that you put stuff on gum Tree, 46 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,721 Speaker 2: on gums or marketplace, and you put it up for 47 00:02:28,881 --> 00:02:32,361 Speaker 2: a lot cheaper than it is because obviously it's secondhand, 48 00:02:32,841 --> 00:02:36,761 Speaker 2: and then someone always tries to talk down yeah price 49 00:02:37,601 --> 00:02:40,321 Speaker 2: and it's up for fifty dollars right, which is nothing? 50 00:02:41,401 --> 00:02:45,201 Speaker 2: Would you take forty? I can pick up tomorrow afternoon 51 00:02:45,281 --> 00:02:48,881 Speaker 2: one thirty pm. I said, yeah, that's fine, you can 52 00:02:48,921 --> 00:02:52,241 Speaker 2: pick it up tomorrow, have it for forty, whatever the 53 00:02:52,281 --> 00:02:58,001 Speaker 2: fuck you want, whatever, And then she came back and said, thanks. 54 00:02:58,601 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: Is there any damage or a scratch on it? And 55 00:03:03,001 --> 00:03:06,761 Speaker 2: I was like, I said, yes, there are some scratches 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,761 Speaker 2: on it, which is why it's that cheap. It was 57 00:03:08,841 --> 00:03:14,761 Speaker 2: purchased for twelve hundred dollars. You're paying forty. It blows 58 00:03:14,841 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: for so people wanted to look brand new. What happened? 59 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,881 Speaker 3: Did you turn up at one thirty and pay for it? No? 60 00:03:22,201 --> 00:03:26,361 Speaker 2: She didn't reply, Oh, I had scratches on it. You're 61 00:03:26,361 --> 00:03:27,641 Speaker 2: buying a second hand item? 62 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 63 00:03:28,081 --> 00:03:29,881 Speaker 2: Do you know what I did with it? Rach took 64 00:03:29,921 --> 00:03:33,281 Speaker 2: it to the tip. Yeah, I have done so much 65 00:03:33,321 --> 00:03:36,681 Speaker 2: more satisfyct. I get so sick of people. Yeah, why 66 00:03:36,721 --> 00:03:39,641 Speaker 2: do they do that? I said something to you which 67 00:03:39,721 --> 00:03:44,041 Speaker 2: was quite rude, and you said, I wish you had 68 00:03:44,081 --> 00:03:47,641 Speaker 2: said that to them. You said, honestly, what the fuck 69 00:03:47,681 --> 00:03:50,481 Speaker 2: is wrong with these people? I said, if you want 70 00:03:50,521 --> 00:03:52,721 Speaker 2: it to look new, then buy it in the shop, 71 00:03:52,761 --> 00:04:06,201 Speaker 2: You fucking scab. Am I a bad mum leaving? 72 00:04:06,721 --> 00:04:10,361 Speaker 3: Oh? I mean I kind of blended it weekly. 73 00:04:11,601 --> 00:04:15,201 Speaker 2: Well, we talked the other week about an issue I 74 00:04:15,321 --> 00:04:18,161 Speaker 2: had with the girls wanting to go to see Billie 75 00:04:18,161 --> 00:04:21,601 Speaker 2: eilive in San Francisco. Yeah, they really believed that they 76 00:04:21,641 --> 00:04:23,481 Speaker 2: were going to be able to save the money in 77 00:04:23,561 --> 00:04:28,961 Speaker 2: six months time for flights accommodation. I was the bad 78 00:04:29,041 --> 00:04:32,241 Speaker 2: guy that shut it down quickly. And when first of all, 79 00:04:32,361 --> 00:04:34,281 Speaker 2: there's no way in a million years I'm letting you 80 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: go to Francisco your own, and secondly, you've got a 81 00:04:38,921 --> 00:04:44,001 Speaker 2: really unrealistic expectation of what money is involved and all 82 00:04:44,041 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: the logistics of going to America anyway, shut it down. 83 00:04:47,681 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: Girls were so angry with me, probably had the worst 84 00:04:50,281 --> 00:04:56,241 Speaker 2: argument we've ever had. It just escalated, like you cannot imagine. 85 00:04:56,721 --> 00:04:59,841 Speaker 2: They were both at me. They were ganging up. They 86 00:04:59,961 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: were so sure that I had led them on by 87 00:05:04,121 --> 00:05:07,281 Speaker 2: making them think that they were saving money to do 88 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: something like that overseas, whereas in my mind I was like, 89 00:05:11,041 --> 00:05:14,641 Speaker 2: there's no way I would have even entertained that idea 90 00:05:14,681 --> 00:05:17,201 Speaker 2: of you going over by yourself. Anyway. It was a 91 00:05:17,241 --> 00:05:23,241 Speaker 2: really really big argument I was trying to reason with them. 92 00:05:23,401 --> 00:05:27,281 Speaker 2: And it's really interesting rage because I spoke to somebody, 93 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,561 Speaker 2: like a professional who works at the school and she said, 94 00:05:33,481 --> 00:05:38,361 Speaker 2: with teenagers with the part of their brain that hasn't 95 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,081 Speaker 2: yet fully developed, the part of the brain that's about 96 00:05:43,161 --> 00:05:46,001 Speaker 2: reasoning and stuff like that, she said, you need to 97 00:05:46,041 --> 00:05:49,281 Speaker 2: take ten years off the age of your child, so 98 00:05:49,401 --> 00:05:53,121 Speaker 2: you are actually reasoning with in that moment, a six 99 00:05:53,201 --> 00:05:53,561 Speaker 2: year old. 100 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 101 00:05:54,521 --> 00:05:58,001 Speaker 2: I was like, that's so interesting. First of all. Second 102 00:05:58,001 --> 00:06:00,561 Speaker 2: of all, I got to the point rate where I 103 00:06:00,721 --> 00:06:06,161 Speaker 2: was like, if I don't leave this house, they need 104 00:06:06,201 --> 00:06:10,281 Speaker 2: to leave, and it's evening and you're not really supposed 105 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:16,641 Speaker 2: to kick kids out on the street rowned upon, And 106 00:06:16,721 --> 00:06:21,921 Speaker 2: so I made the decision to pack a bag and 107 00:06:22,001 --> 00:06:26,601 Speaker 2: leave the house. Now h they were safe at home. 108 00:06:26,801 --> 00:06:31,041 Speaker 2: Yea of age. There was food in the fruit like 109 00:06:31,201 --> 00:06:34,241 Speaker 2: on paper. Me packing your bag and then leaving my 110 00:06:34,401 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: kids sounds bad, but in my mind it was if 111 00:06:38,561 --> 00:06:42,121 Speaker 2: I don't leave and remove myself from this situation, I 112 00:06:42,161 --> 00:06:44,561 Speaker 2: am going to say something that I will really regret 113 00:06:44,601 --> 00:06:49,721 Speaker 2: because I got so angry at the way it all 114 00:06:49,761 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: played out on what was said that I was like, 115 00:06:51,961 --> 00:06:52,721 Speaker 2: I have to go. 116 00:06:53,521 --> 00:06:54,601 Speaker 3: That's a good decision. 117 00:06:54,961 --> 00:06:57,361 Speaker 2: Drove away. I had no idea where I was going range, 118 00:06:57,681 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: I had no plan. 119 00:06:58,921 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I love the idea that you've packed your 120 00:07:00,761 --> 00:07:02,841 Speaker 3: bag as well, Like you're like, we'll pack a bag. 121 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: What are you're packing? Know where I'm going. In the moment, 122 00:07:05,721 --> 00:07:08,401 Speaker 2: it was kind of like it was a bit dramatic just. 123 00:07:08,361 --> 00:07:10,921 Speaker 3: To give context to it, like of that day, because 124 00:07:10,921 --> 00:07:14,641 Speaker 3: I do remember the day. You'd been peppered and belted 125 00:07:14,681 --> 00:07:17,921 Speaker 3: and battered all day from like I think I saw 126 00:07:17,961 --> 00:07:20,601 Speaker 3: you in the morning of that day at like I 127 00:07:20,601 --> 00:07:22,121 Speaker 3: think we got together at like what nine. 128 00:07:22,161 --> 00:07:25,041 Speaker 2: Thirty, and you said it had already been going for 129 00:07:25,081 --> 00:07:26,481 Speaker 2: like two hours before that. 130 00:07:26,681 --> 00:07:28,201 Speaker 3: Yeah, if I was to say, I'm going to put 131 00:07:28,241 --> 00:07:30,841 Speaker 3: you on a treadmill for fourteen hours straight and I 132 00:07:30,881 --> 00:07:32,841 Speaker 3: don't want you to get off, and I don't want 133 00:07:32,881 --> 00:07:34,721 Speaker 3: you to cry, and I don't want you to fault, 134 00:07:35,241 --> 00:07:37,961 Speaker 3: that's what that is. Right, You're getting belted and battered 135 00:07:38,001 --> 00:07:41,601 Speaker 3: and battered and bat it over fourteen hours, no wonder, 136 00:07:42,161 --> 00:07:43,001 Speaker 3: no wonder you went. 137 00:07:43,121 --> 00:07:44,441 Speaker 2: I guess can't do it anymore. 138 00:07:44,801 --> 00:07:47,841 Speaker 3: And that whole response of like I've just got to 139 00:07:47,881 --> 00:07:50,401 Speaker 3: walk away because it's going to be best for you. 140 00:07:50,481 --> 00:07:52,201 Speaker 3: But it's also going to be best for me, and 141 00:07:52,241 --> 00:07:53,721 Speaker 3: I don't want to get to the point where I 142 00:07:53,761 --> 00:07:56,241 Speaker 3: have to have regret about what I say, my actions, 143 00:07:56,281 --> 00:07:58,961 Speaker 3: whatever you know, sort of transpires with this. 144 00:07:59,321 --> 00:08:01,361 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was also a big part of me 145 00:08:01,441 --> 00:08:04,001 Speaker 2: that was like, you need to sit and think about 146 00:08:04,001 --> 00:08:08,041 Speaker 2: what present they did. And so yeah, I started driving off. 147 00:08:08,401 --> 00:08:10,881 Speaker 2: Jay was still at work, so I called him crying, 148 00:08:11,201 --> 00:08:14,881 Speaker 2: told him about the whole situation. He was like, Okay, cool, 149 00:08:14,921 --> 00:08:16,881 Speaker 2: Well we'll just go and stand hotel. There was a 150 00:08:16,881 --> 00:08:19,401 Speaker 2: part of me that was like, oh, you're like, oh, 151 00:08:20,681 --> 00:08:23,441 Speaker 2: he's quite glad that it's played out like this. Let's 152 00:08:23,481 --> 00:08:26,121 Speaker 2: just go stay in the hotel. So honestly, raised last minute, 153 00:08:26,121 --> 00:08:30,281 Speaker 2: I'm on bloodywad if dot com and I have booked 154 00:08:30,601 --> 00:08:34,641 Speaker 2: just a place in the city and turned up. The 155 00:08:34,761 --> 00:08:39,201 Speaker 2: feeling of freedom really hit me. When I checked in, 156 00:08:39,481 --> 00:08:43,641 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I've just left my hand. Yeah. Yeah, 157 00:08:44,161 --> 00:08:47,241 Speaker 2: my kids, pets aren't fed. They can work that out. Yeah, 158 00:08:48,001 --> 00:08:51,081 Speaker 2: and I'm going to take some time out for myself. 159 00:08:51,841 --> 00:08:56,601 Speaker 2: Next morning, we see that they're no one because we 160 00:08:56,761 --> 00:08:59,641 Speaker 2: see the cameras, so we're getting alert someone. I was 161 00:08:59,641 --> 00:09:02,041 Speaker 2: on the doorstep and they had haven't left for school, 162 00:09:02,241 --> 00:09:05,401 Speaker 2: and I'm like, they were supposed to get the bus. 163 00:09:05,441 --> 00:09:09,881 Speaker 2: They've got a bus pass and they hadn't left. Jay 164 00:09:10,081 --> 00:09:13,281 Speaker 2: texts them because it's after when the bus would have 165 00:09:13,281 --> 00:09:15,801 Speaker 2: gone and says, if you've forgotten the bus, get Nuba 166 00:09:15,881 --> 00:09:19,521 Speaker 2: to school. I've gone straight to work, assuming they're at school. 167 00:09:19,921 --> 00:09:23,241 Speaker 2: And I get a call from the student wellness officer 168 00:09:24,601 --> 00:09:28,241 Speaker 2: and she says, just checking in to make sure everything's 169 00:09:28,281 --> 00:09:31,001 Speaker 2: okay with the girls. They haven't come to school today, 170 00:09:31,561 --> 00:09:32,721 Speaker 2: and I was like, what do you mean they haven't 171 00:09:32,721 --> 00:09:34,761 Speaker 2: gone to school. She's like, you weren't aware, and I 172 00:09:34,801 --> 00:09:36,361 Speaker 2: was like, no, I wasn't aware they were supposed to 173 00:09:36,361 --> 00:09:36,641 Speaker 2: be there. 174 00:09:36,841 --> 00:09:37,161 Speaker 3: Yeah. 175 00:09:37,201 --> 00:09:38,801 Speaker 2: So then I've called the girls and I'm like why 176 00:09:38,881 --> 00:09:40,921 Speaker 2: and you're at school and they're like, we sat in 177 00:09:41,001 --> 00:09:44,001 Speaker 2: our uniform, we got up, we got all ready, and 178 00:09:44,041 --> 00:09:47,041 Speaker 2: then we waited for you to come home and take 179 00:09:47,121 --> 00:09:50,241 Speaker 2: us to school, and you didn't. And I was like, shit, 180 00:09:50,401 --> 00:09:52,961 Speaker 2: we missed the part out. We missed the part that 181 00:09:53,121 --> 00:09:55,521 Speaker 2: told them we wouldn't be about to take them to school. 182 00:09:55,681 --> 00:09:58,441 Speaker 2: So I start getting mum gilt. No, I wouldn't have. 183 00:09:58,801 --> 00:10:00,761 Speaker 3: I would have been like, well, you know you're a 184 00:10:00,761 --> 00:10:02,601 Speaker 3: big girl that wanted to go to San Francisco. 185 00:10:02,801 --> 00:10:07,201 Speaker 2: So then I find out from Amelia that she sent 186 00:10:07,281 --> 00:10:12,481 Speaker 2: an email that morning to her teacher saying, oh God, 187 00:10:13,161 --> 00:10:18,321 Speaker 2: saying hi, just to let you know, our parents didn't 188 00:10:18,361 --> 00:10:21,321 Speaker 2: come home last night. This is what she said. Our 189 00:10:21,441 --> 00:10:24,841 Speaker 2: parents didn't come home last night. We haven't been able 190 00:10:24,881 --> 00:10:28,521 Speaker 2: to get hold of them. They didn't come home this morning. 191 00:10:29,601 --> 00:10:32,161 Speaker 2: We haven't been able to go to school. We sat 192 00:10:32,201 --> 00:10:35,601 Speaker 2: here waiting in our school uniform. H There was no 193 00:10:35,721 --> 00:10:40,601 Speaker 2: context to this email teacher. The teacher thinks we have 194 00:10:40,921 --> 00:10:45,561 Speaker 2: just not gone home, not told them, and left them 195 00:10:45,601 --> 00:10:48,441 Speaker 2: to finn for themselves with no way of getting to school. 196 00:10:48,761 --> 00:10:52,161 Speaker 2: I sent an email to the teacher and said, wow, 197 00:10:52,441 --> 00:10:57,761 Speaker 2: very interesting narrative that told her everything. Yeah, I did. 198 00:10:58,001 --> 00:10:59,521 Speaker 2: And so I spoke to her and told her everything, 199 00:10:59,521 --> 00:11:01,321 Speaker 2: and she was like, I completely understand. And then she 200 00:11:01,401 --> 00:11:03,681 Speaker 2: said at the end of it, oh, I've got teenagers. 201 00:11:03,721 --> 00:11:05,921 Speaker 2: I'd quite like to just leave go to a hotel 202 00:11:06,001 --> 00:11:07,041 Speaker 2: for a few too. 203 00:11:09,401 --> 00:11:10,801 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 204 00:11:11,041 --> 00:11:14,241 Speaker 2: So it could have gone horribly wrong because there were 205 00:11:14,921 --> 00:11:17,881 Speaker 2: a good few hours in the day that the school 206 00:11:18,041 --> 00:11:20,801 Speaker 2: thought I was some low life parents. 207 00:11:20,801 --> 00:11:24,361 Speaker 3: No, I bet you, like I imagine I would hope that 208 00:11:24,361 --> 00:11:27,681 Speaker 3: they would have seen through and understood that until speaking 209 00:11:27,721 --> 00:11:30,201 Speaker 3: to you and understanding the narrative from your side of it, 210 00:11:30,681 --> 00:11:33,921 Speaker 3: like you've never shown that sort of behavior and you've 211 00:11:33,921 --> 00:11:34,921 Speaker 3: never done it before, So. 212 00:11:35,681 --> 00:11:39,681 Speaker 2: I mean it definitely felt extreme. That it's not extreme. 213 00:11:39,961 --> 00:11:42,441 Speaker 2: I think it's best to do that the alternative. If 214 00:11:42,481 --> 00:11:45,881 Speaker 2: I hadn't left that situation and gone to a hotel 215 00:11:46,281 --> 00:11:48,521 Speaker 2: for the night, God knows what happened in that. 216 00:11:48,761 --> 00:11:51,001 Speaker 3: But also from like your side of it, Katie, like 217 00:11:51,041 --> 00:11:54,321 Speaker 3: you're saying you left, which is great, and I agree, 218 00:11:54,361 --> 00:11:55,281 Speaker 3: I would have been the same. 219 00:11:55,401 --> 00:11:57,201 Speaker 2: I would have walked away. I would have walked out 220 00:11:57,201 --> 00:11:59,401 Speaker 2: of there as well. I did really enjoy being in 221 00:11:59,441 --> 00:11:59,881 Speaker 2: that hotel. 222 00:11:59,961 --> 00:12:04,321 Speaker 3: I was probably mean a silence all I'm the about 223 00:12:05,641 --> 00:12:09,961 Speaker 3: night in a hotel, no phone contact, maybe a glass 224 00:12:09,961 --> 00:12:12,801 Speaker 3: of bubble slotter, some trashy TV. 225 00:12:13,121 --> 00:12:16,201 Speaker 2: I later found out Rachel's a friendly hotel. Me and 226 00:12:16,281 --> 00:12:22,681 Speaker 2: Bella the dog, we could have a lovely time. There's 227 00:12:22,721 --> 00:12:24,921 Speaker 2: Bella in her robe, just sitting up on the bed.