Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening.
Speaker 3: Well tonight to Albanizi loses his call at questions over
Speaker 3: his tax plans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're not terribly clever.
Speaker 3: Question is he starting to crack under the pressure? Basil
Speaker 3: Zemplus and Matt Canavan will give their take in a
Speaker 3: moment Plus Israel further humiliates Hesbela and Iran with an
Speaker 3: attack on their walkie talkies. It comes as more details
Speaker 3: emerge about the extraordinary moss Out operation, including claims of
Speaker 3: a shelf company. Terror expert Greg Barton will be on
Speaker 3: Live and later Starter shows young OSSI's are shunning alcohol
Speaker 3: in favor of a healthier lifestyle. Veteran journalist Jennie O
Speaker 3: Dowd will be on the show to discuss but first
Speaker 3: tonight to Penny Wong's disgraceful vote at the United Nations.
Speaker 3: Once again, the Albanese government was out of step with
Speaker 3: the United States by not voting against a pro Hamas resolution.
Speaker 2: Now, this was the first motion put.
Speaker 3: Forward by the Palestinian authority since the Yun rewarded it
Speaker 3: for the October seven massacre by giving it a de
Speaker 3: facto seat at the table back in May a move
Speaker 3: that in itself is a joke. They're giving the Palestinians
Speaker 3: where in Gaza the governing body is a terror regime,
Speaker 3: a seat at the table at the Yun, the UN
Speaker 3: created in the wake of the Holocaust and.
Speaker 2: World War Two. It's a joke.
Speaker 3: A motion for peace should have been if there was
Speaker 3: going to be one, should have been submitted by a
Speaker 3: third party, another country.
Speaker 2: It could have been balanced.
Speaker 3: It could have demanded the release of the hostages and
Speaker 3: condemned the slaughter of October seven. But the Yun has
Speaker 3: lost all reason. Instead, the first motion, put forward by
Speaker 3: the Palestinians and sponsored by dozens of other, mostly Muslim nations,
Speaker 3: called for Israel to get out of Gaza and the
Speaker 3: West Bank within a year, no conditions attached, no concern
Speaker 3: about innocent hostages, including baby Kafir Bibas and his brother Ariel.
Speaker 3: It actually calls for Israel to pay reparations even to terrorists,
Speaker 3: and once an international Commission of Inquiry set up to
Speaker 3: effectively dismantle Israel as a Jewish national home. This resolution
Speaker 3: at the UN turns October seven into the Palestinian independence Day.
Speaker 2: It rewards terror.
Speaker 3: Both the former Australian Ambassador to Israel, Dave Shama, and
Speaker 3: Colin Rubinstein spoke this week on the show about just
Speaker 3: how extreme the resolution is.
Speaker 4: That this is a one sided, inflammatory resolution that will
Speaker 4: do nothing to advance the cause of piece extreme.
Speaker 5: It's basically calling not only for the isolation of Israel,
Speaker 5: but the delegitimization of Israel and ultimately is dismantling.
Speaker 1: So it's an omnibus resolution.
Speaker 3: And even the Biden administration spoke publicly about how disgraceful
Speaker 3: this UN resolution is.
Speaker 6: One year since twelve hundred citizens from Israel and many
Speaker 6: other countries were massacred and hundreds more taken into the
Speaker 6: tunnels beneath Gaza were many still weight in captivity today,
Speaker 6: enough is enough. We urge all Council members with influence
Speaker 6: over Hamas to join others and pressing its leaders to
Speaker 6: stop stalling.
Speaker 3: And this is now creating somewhat of a diplomatic rift
Speaker 3: between the United States and Australia. The Biden administration had
Speaker 3: strongly lobbied Pennywong to vote against the motion. She ignored them,
Speaker 3: and in a way, she might have even supported the
Speaker 3: motion had it not been for the US's efforts. In
Speaker 3: a way, there's nothing more depressing than looking at the
Speaker 3: UN vote result seeing how much of the world is
Speaker 3: currently against Israel. Only fourteen countries against the motion in
Speaker 3: support of Israel, while there were one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: four voting in support of the Palestinian motion. Voting against
Speaker 3: it was the United States, Argentina and Australia's closest specific partners,
Speaker 3: PNG and Fiji. Forty three countries abstained, including Australia, Canada, Germany, Italy,
Speaker 3: the UK, Austria, India, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine and others.
Speaker 2: And by the.
Speaker 3: Way, many of those world leaders paid solidarity visits to
Speaker 3: Israel right after the October seven attacks, So how can
Speaker 3: they have forgotten that one hundred people still bill are
Speaker 3: held hostage. Then among the one hundred and twenty four
Speaker 3: countries that supported the Palestinian motion New Zealand, France, Indonesia, Japan, Spain, South.
Speaker 2: Africa and many more. Now, as you.
Speaker 3: Know, Australia has led the world in giving almost three
Speaker 3: thousand visas to Gazans, mostly without proper security checks. But
Speaker 3: what's fascinating is that most of the countries voting yes
Speaker 3: in that Palestinian motion supporting the Palestinian motion. Well, they're
Speaker 3: taking in very few, if any Garzans, So this is
Speaker 3: a classic case of virtue signaling. Now, Pennywog today in
Speaker 3: a media interview and in a press conference, said, you
Speaker 3: would actually have liked to have supported this motion.
Speaker 7: We would have preferred to have been in a position
Speaker 7: where we could support a resolution that reflected the International
Speaker 7: Court of Justice's advice the opinion, and we worked very
Speaker 7: hard in New York with other countries to try and
Speaker 7: get changes to the resolution that would enable us to
Speaker 7: support it.
Speaker 3: Now she's showing anti Israel bias there, but we also
Speaker 3: saw anti Israel bias from the press gallery. Listen now
Speaker 3: to this question that one SBS journalist asked Pennywong just
Speaker 3: on the A lot of people.
Speaker 1: Around Australia feel.
Speaker 8: Like the government isn't doing enough to pressure Israel in
Speaker 8: this conflicte.
Speaker 1: You had an opportunity where the.
Speaker 8: Majority of countries throughout the world vote big favor and
Speaker 8: only a.
Speaker 9: Few days or voted against.
Speaker 8: Does this send the wrong message to people in Australia
Speaker 8: you know we're not doing that.
Speaker 3: Well, that's some activism at the SBS. A young journalist
Speaker 3: in Canberra, assuming that a lot of people around Australia
Speaker 3: feel the same way. She does feel that the government
Speaker 3: isn't pressuring Israel enough, and Penny Wong took the opportunity
Speaker 3: to highlight all the things Australia was doing for her
Speaker 3: Musk controlled gaza.
Speaker 7: You've seen us vote in a vote that was highly
Speaker 7: criticized by some for greater recognition of the Palestinians delegation
Speaker 7: at the United Nation. You've seen US put sanctions on settlers.
Speaker 7: We don't export weapons to Israel, and we will continue
Speaker 7: to look at ways we can add our voice to
Speaker 7: a pathway out of this conflict because we also want
Speaker 7: peace in the Middle East and we regret that we
Speaker 7: were not in a position to support this resolution alongside
Speaker 7: the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3: And then the statement that the Australian un representative James
Speaker 3: Larsen gave also very clearly outlined all the anti Israel
Speaker 3: positions that the Albanese government has taken.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 4: We doubled our funding to UNRA because it does vital work.
Speaker 4: We have not supplied weapons to Israel in at least
Speaker 4: the last five years. We have moved our position on recognition.
Speaker 4: We now see recognition as an integral part of a
Speaker 4: peace process and as a way to contribute meaningfully towards
Speaker 4: the realization of a two state solution. It's a matter
Speaker 4: of when not if.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have seen comments like that coming from the
Speaker 3: UN representative under the former Coalition government or labor governments
Speaker 3: in the past. There's no question now James Larsen, who
Speaker 3: you just saw speaking there, he's a career diplomat and
Speaker 3: he does have to deliver the lines drafted by Canberra.
Speaker 3: Yet this is still embarrassing for him given he used
Speaker 3: to be highly respected as the former ambassador in Israel. Now,
Speaker 3: while this vote that we've seen at the UN, it
Speaker 3: is depressing, but it's not surprising ever since Israel's creation.
Speaker 2: Whenever the Arab Group.
Speaker 3: Has tabled a resolution at the UN, it does automatically
Speaker 3: achieve majority support. But what matters is the like minded
Speaker 3: nations vote, and it's concerning that only the US voted
Speaker 3: against it. But like I said, this is now a
Speaker 3: forum for left wing virtue signalers and show ponies, and
Speaker 3: ultimately the United Nations, while a disgrace, is irrelevant, and
Speaker 3: Israel showed that yet again last night as the UN
Speaker 3: moved emotion against it. We presume Israel carried out yet
Speaker 3: another stealth operation against Hesbelah, this time blowing up their
Speaker 3: walkie talkies. It's brilliant and genius. But the United Nations
Speaker 3: Secretary General Antonio Gouterres said he was deeply alarmed by
Speaker 3: this by terrorists being killed. His comments render him an
Speaker 3: object of ridicule and utterly inconsequential.
Speaker 2: The lesson is.
Speaker 3: That the sophisticated assault on Hesbela this week, attacks beyond
Speaker 3: the capability or imagination of any other intelligence agency around
Speaker 3: the world, unprecedented in their brilliance, shows that Israel will
Speaker 3: defend its citizens irrespective of the corrupt United Nations. The
Speaker 3: Jewish commitment to survival espouse by the Israelis is no
Speaker 3: holds barret. It's uncompromising and it should give us encouragement
Speaker 3: when the world turns against reason and rationality like it
Speaker 3: did overnight. All right, as I said, a terror expert
Speaker 3: Greg Barton will join me a bit later to talk
Speaker 3: about how those Hesbela attacks unfolded. But now let's bring
Speaker 3: a national Senator Matt Canavan and Perth mayor basil zemplists.
Speaker 3: Welcome it to you, both gentlemen, Matt, just continuing, just
Speaker 3: want to get your reaction to that topic there, Matt Canavan.
Speaker 3: If it weren't for the pressure by the United States,
Speaker 3: Penny Wog might very well have voted in favor of
Speaker 3: this pro humus motion.
Speaker 10: Well, that may very well have been the case. So
Speaker 10: you would hope not because as you outlined and as
Speaker 10: others have, I mean, this motion was not a motion
Speaker 10: for peace. I mean, the Australian government, to all other governments,
Speaker 10: should be trying to work towards a peaceful solution that
Speaker 10: reduces a number of people dying at the moment. It's terrible,
Speaker 10: it's horrific. And this motion, among other things, called for
Speaker 10: the return of all Palestinians displaced over the many years
Speaker 10: of conflict in that area. Anybody that knows anything about
Speaker 10: the negotiations between Israel and Palestine knows that that's just
Speaker 10: not going to happen, and voting for motion of that
Speaker 10: kind just puts unnecessary hurdles in the road of trying
Speaker 10: to find a peaceful solution long term. So look, I
Speaker 10: don't think just bite all the government's protestations now, I
Speaker 10: actually don't think they're acting in good faith to try
Speaker 10: and find peaceful resolutions. They act with their own domestic
Speaker 10: political interests, electoral interests in mind.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening here.
Speaker 10: They are doing what they're doing because they just worried
Speaker 10: about losing votes in electrics in Australia. And I think
Speaker 10: that's whether that's true or not, I think it's reprehensible
Speaker 10: to be acting in that way when people are dying
Speaker 10: on the other side of the world. Shot, we should
Speaker 10: be caring about them, not your own little jobs here
Speaker 10: in Australia.
Speaker 3: Or conversely, we should be worried about social cohesion in Australia,
Speaker 3: protecting all Australian citizens, rather than Penny Wog thinking she
Speaker 3: can solve the conflict in the Middle East. It's just
Speaker 3: so arrogant of her to think she can lecture Israel
Speaker 3: like this basil. You know, as Matt Canavan just said,
Speaker 3: there are domestic considerations here for Penny wang and the
Speaker 3: Albanezi government.
Speaker 2: And the flip side is, you.
Speaker 3: Know, we think it's absurd that Australia are abstained, but
Speaker 3: the pro Palestinian movement will be furious at the government
Speaker 3: for not supporting this motion.
Speaker 11: And caful what you wish for. Sometimes isn't it. And
Speaker 11: that's exactly right, So they might have backed themselves into
Speaker 11: a corner. I think when we consider throughout our history
Speaker 11: the number of times that we have or have not
Speaker 11: stood with the United States, there are not many times
Speaker 11: that come to mind when we have not stood in
Speaker 11: line and side by side the United States. And yet
Speaker 11: we have not voted with the Biden administration on this issue.
Speaker 11: And at the heart of it, one hundred people coming
Speaker 11: up for the one year anniversary of being held hostage,
Speaker 11: and I think sometimes simplifying it down to that nearly
Speaker 11: a year, one hundred Israelis still held hostage. When will
Speaker 11: they be released? Release them? And this takes a whole different.
Speaker 3: Direction here here well, said Basil Zamplus now looking at
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, the pressure seems to be getting to him.
Speaker 3: He lashed out at ABC radio presenter Precisier card Vellis
Speaker 3: when he was asked, really some pretty straightforward questions about hacks.
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
Speaker 12: Are you saying negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions
Speaker 12: are absolutely off the table for you?
Speaker 8: Well, they're tax policies, but are those tax policies?
Speaker 7: Are those tax policies completely off the table?
Speaker 1: For you.
Speaker 13: Well, Patricia, I don't answer the sort of those sort
Speaker 13: of questions in the way.
Speaker 7: That goes Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 11: Are you going to say no to those or not?
Speaker 13: They're things that journalists The next question is when will
Speaker 13: the election be?
Speaker 11: That's not my next question.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Well, they're not terribly clever questions.
Speaker 3: And here was Peter Dutten speaking about this interaction.
Speaker 5: The fact that he can't even answer basic questions, as
Speaker 5: we saw in the Patricia Carvellers story, this interview this
Speaker 5: morning demonstrates that the Prime Minister is just not.
Speaker 2: Up to it.
Speaker 3: Matt, do you think his reaction to Patricia is a
Speaker 3: reflection of the bad polls, the sticky inflation, the roadblocks
Speaker 3: he's seen this week and getting his legislation through the Senate.
Speaker 2: Do you think all of this is rattling him.
Speaker 1: It would seem like it.
Speaker 10: I think actually there might be something deeper here, though, Shari.
Speaker 10: I think the Prime Minister now the Labor Party, has
Speaker 10: one eye on minority government and the reason he can't
Speaker 10: answer simple questions like that is he's keeping his options
Speaker 10: open to negotiate with radical Green teal crossbenches to change
Speaker 10: his policy settings. After the election after you might vote
Speaker 10: for him and do something completely different. I think Anthony
Speaker 10: Alberinezi desperately wants to avoid a there will be no
Speaker 10: carbon tax out of the governor I lead type moment
Speaker 10: because if he was plain and direct as you would
Speaker 10: hope your political need is to be right now, that
Speaker 10: will limit his options after an election. And I think
Speaker 10: everyone voting at the next veedual election has to realize
Speaker 10: that you just can't trust the Labor Party and what
Speaker 10: they say, because after the election they're probably going to
Speaker 10: have to go and negotiate with Adam Bant with whoever
Speaker 10: have a teal is the loudest that week and deliver
Speaker 10: something completely different you thought you were getting if you
Speaker 10: vote from this next time.
Speaker 3: Basil is never a good look when a politician snaps
Speaker 3: at a journalist over their questions, especially a safe ABC journalist.
Speaker 3: And by the way, the PM only does interviews with
Speaker 3: journalists that he's friends with or friendly with, or that
Speaker 3: he likes and socializes with. For the most part, he
Speaker 3: will not come on this show. You haven't seen him
Speaker 3: come on this show I don't think since about twenty eighty.
Speaker 1: So you're not friends with him. You're not friends I.
Speaker 2: Used to be I used to eat.
Speaker 1: But the point is.
Speaker 3: He won't sit down for tough questions. He doesn't want
Speaker 3: to have to handle very tough questions if he knows
Speaker 3: an interview is going to be antagonistic.
Speaker 2: He didn't expect this was going to be on the ABC.
Speaker 3: So, Basil, do you think this indicates that he is
Speaker 3: feeling the heat?
Speaker 11: There's absolutely no doubt. Let me lead with this disclaimer.
Speaker 11: In a recent form of life on Triple and Breakfast,
Speaker 11: we are a safe haven in Perth for the former
Speaker 11: leader of the opposition leader and then the Prime Minister.
Speaker 11: He enjoyed coming on and he did get an easy run,
Speaker 11: but we weren't trying to score major political points from
Speaker 11: an interview point of view. We were trying to have
Speaker 11: a little bit of fun. You know, where the PM's
Speaker 11: at a labor PM, and this labor PM.
Speaker 1: If he wanders into.
Speaker 11: An ABC studio and has a meltdown moment like that,
Speaker 11: that's not good for him, that's not good for the
Speaker 11: Labor Party and that is a very firm indication of
Speaker 11: where things are at Normally, that would be big tip
Speaker 11: safe haven. Everything's going to be all right here if
Speaker 11: he's emerging from an interview in those surrounds like that,
Speaker 11: that tells you everything you need to know.
Speaker 1: Also, you know a.
Speaker 3: Basil The PM loves FM radio interviews. He probably does
Speaker 3: them more than any other type.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be great to get.
Speaker 11: An easy run. Yes, that's right, and they all do.
Speaker 1: I mean they all do.
Speaker 11: And I've been on AM and FM and our job
Speaker 11: as FM radio presenters breakfast. It was too entertained. We
Speaker 11: weren't trying to nail them on the gotcha moment that
Speaker 11: changed an election.
Speaker 1: We were trying to.
Speaker 11: Find out what they had for dinner, what was in
Speaker 11: the fridge, where their first date was, where did they
Speaker 11: have their first kiss, all of that sort of stuff,
Speaker 11: what's their favorite tailor? You got it would have started
Speaker 11: Matt Canavan, that was all. I think they can show
Speaker 11: more of their personality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Matt Canavan that is clearly Alban Ezey has
Speaker 3: chosen strategy. He feels comfortable in an environment in FM
Speaker 3: radio where he can have a bit of fun and
Speaker 3: because he's often not across the policy details, so he
Speaker 3: can't really handle detailed interviews all the time.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it makes you less smatch fit. I
Speaker 10: mean I go on the ABC for my sins, and yep,
Speaker 10: you get a bit of a grilling sometimes, but you've
Speaker 10: got to be prepared for that, and you've got to
Speaker 10: be able to defend your own viewpoints and policies. And
Speaker 10: I think sometimes that you do you do. When you
Speaker 10: see AB or green politicians getting very affronted by someone
Speaker 10: disagreeing with them or challenging them, it is because they're
Speaker 10: so often little challenge. They live in kind of bubbles,
Speaker 10: inner city places of our country and don't really get
Speaker 10: out enough. I think it'd be great for the promise
Speaker 10: to get out and talk to real people. So yep,
Speaker 10: being better if he came on your show and subject
Speaker 10: to the whole country to a grilling, it might probably happen.
Speaker 10: But go and talk to real people about their real circumstances.
Speaker 10: I don't think he's doing enough of that right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good advice. Now.
Speaker 3: In the US, Kamala Harris has suffered a bit of
Speaker 3: a blow to her election campaign after one of America's
Speaker 3: most powerful unions ruled out endorsing her. And this is
Speaker 3: the first time in thirty years that the International Brotherhood
Speaker 3: of Teamsters has failed to endorse a democratic nominee. So
Speaker 3: the last time was back in nineteen sixty six. Basil,
Speaker 3: what do you think this says about Kamala Harris's campaign strategy?
Speaker 3: You know, how is she going wrong? That she can't
Speaker 3: get the union on board?
Speaker 11: Not a good sign, is it. I mean, if she
Speaker 11: hasn't got the unions on board, if they can't lock
Speaker 11: in on her the way that you would expect, and
Speaker 11: certainly the way history has suggested they would, that is
Speaker 11: a danger sign. And I guess at the heart of it,
Speaker 11: it's this lack of certainty around what Kamala Harris will
Speaker 11: stand for and how she will execute if indeed she
Speaker 11: becomes the president of the United States. So there's great uncertainty.
Speaker 11: We know, she hasn't answered a whole lot of questions,
Speaker 11: she hasn't done many interviews where she's really been pushed.
Speaker 11: But this would be a major warning sign, a major
Speaker 11: warning sign, and it does have This could run away,
Speaker 11: this could form, could produce a cascading effect. So she'll
Speaker 11: be trying to bring this in. But if you can't
Speaker 11: get them to commit, well you are in a.
Speaker 1: Spot of bother here.
Speaker 3: Matt Cain about how do you reckon the US election?
Speaker 3: Is looking at the moment, who would you put your
Speaker 3: odds on.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I put them on Trump. I think that pole
Speaker 10: you've mentioned demonstrates the major points the prism through which
Speaker 10: I'm looking at this election, and that is it's not
Speaker 10: really a national election.
Speaker 2: It's an election that.
Speaker 10: Cuts across mostly Midwest states in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona,
Speaker 10: Nevada too.
Speaker 1: But all of those states are.
Speaker 10: Really a good fit for a very liberal, left wing
Speaker 10: senator from San Francisco. And I think the most interesting
Speaker 10: thing about that teams to poll was that when they
Speaker 10: held some town hall straw polls earlier in the year,
Speaker 10: Biden was actually backed over Trump by the teams, by
Speaker 10: those teams to members, by the union members. And that's
Speaker 10: completely reversed since they've changed to Kamla. And I just
Speaker 10: don't think the change is actually smart for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 10: She's not a good fit for the states that matter
Speaker 10: at a presidential election.
Speaker 3: So your tip is Donald Trump, but it is looking
Speaker 3: very close. Bazil, just quickly before we go, what do
Speaker 3: you reckon this far out?
Speaker 11: Well, look, if Kamala had to come on triple m perth,
Speaker 11: we would have given.
Speaker 1: Her a tough time.
Speaker 11: Just to y think she's looking for the triple m
Speaker 11: Perth interview. At the moment, she's not going to get it,
Speaker 11: but maybe that's what she's looking for.
Speaker 3: She's just waiting for them, all right, Matt Caravan, Basil Sampliss.
Speaker 2: Great to see you both now.
Speaker 3: Just as we were awed by the targeted pager attack, overnight,
Speaker 3: a second wave of explosions targeted Hesbela members terrorists. This
Speaker 3: time thousands of walkie talkies carried by the terror group
Speaker 3: blew up. It's been reported that it killed at least
Speaker 3: twenty people, although there are senior figures who are speculating
Speaker 3: that the true figure is much higher and Hesbela isn't
Speaker 3: being being transparent about this. Israeli Defense Minister Jav Gallant
Speaker 3: announced a new phase of the war. He says he
Speaker 3: wants Israelis displaced from the north to be able to
Speaker 3: return home.
Speaker 14: I appreciate that we are at the beginning of a
Speaker 14: new era in this war and we need to adapt ourselves.
Speaker 14: This is true for everyone, certainly for those who are
Speaker 14: in the air or control what is in the air,
Speaker 14: because the position here is stronger.
Speaker 3: So that will be the strategy now moving forward with
Speaker 3: resources shifting to the north of Israel. There are also unconfirmed,
Speaker 3: unconfirmed reports that the original pager attack was brought forward
Speaker 3: over concerns that HESBLA had uncovered the operation or had
Speaker 3: become suspicious about their devices. As I say, those are
Speaker 3: unconfirmed reports. And now journalists have started to trace the
Speaker 3: pathway of the pages from Taiwan to Leberton in an
Speaker 3: effort to work out when and where they were intercepted,
Speaker 3: presumably by Mossat. There's mystery now around the manufacturer of
Speaker 3: the pages, BAC Consulting, located in Budapest. The business address
Speaker 3: listed seems to be Affront. It's only used reportedly as
Speaker 3: a postal address. Now for more on this incredible operation,
Speaker 3: I'm joined by Deacon University Global Islami Politics Chair, Professor
Speaker 3: Greg Barton. Welcome to the program now, Professor. Five months
Speaker 3: ago HASBILA leader Nazraala first told members to stop using
Speaker 3: their mobile phones. So do you think this is when
Speaker 3: the planning of this attack, presumably by Musad, first began.
Speaker 15: Yeah, sure, it certainly goes back early in the year.
Speaker 15: That most significant speech from Hassan Nasola was in February.
Speaker 15: He said if you're worried about Israeli spies. The Israeli
Speaker 15: spies in your pocket. It's your mobile phone. Get rid
Speaker 15: of them. We can't use mobile phones that have got
Speaker 15: into our network. They can go locate you, they can
Speaker 15: record your conversations. So that was February, and apparently these
Speaker 15: pages came in a batch five months ago, so they
Speaker 15: woult have put out in order and trying to organize
Speaker 15: it so they could make that switch. And at the
Speaker 15: same time, apparently they also got a batch of walkie talkies.
Speaker 15: We don't know where they came from. And as you
Speaker 15: were saying, this front company in Budapest doesn't have the
Speaker 15: capacity to manufacturer. It had paid for a license with
Speaker 15: gold Apollo, the Taiwanese company, to manufacture the pages, but
Speaker 15: doesn't have manufacturing facilities as far as we can determine,
Speaker 15: I mean to be frank, it rather looks as if
Speaker 15: Mossad made these pages on the gold Apollo design so
Speaker 15: they wouldn't be detected, planted small amounts ten twenty grams
Speaker 15: of military grade explosives and a triggering circuit in a
Speaker 15: way that wasn't easily detected, and as you said, apparently
Speaker 15: there was it seems possible that there was some suspicion
Speaker 15: about these devices and this operation was brought forward. It
Speaker 15: was thought the reason for the operation was as a
Speaker 15: prelude to a military campaign, so a psychological blow, but
Speaker 15: also a way of unhinging a terrorist network that is
Speaker 15: a very highly networked organization that depends on people turning
Speaker 15: up and playing close at a moment's notice. When they
Speaker 15: get a message, we'll take away that messaging. And that's
Speaker 15: very hard to his pilot of work in the way
Speaker 15: that it's used to.
Speaker 3: What does it say when we hear that the Iranian
Speaker 3: envoy had a Hesbla pager? What does that say about
Speaker 3: the Iranian envoys links to Hesbela.
Speaker 15: Well, I think it comes as no surprise to anyone
Speaker 15: watching this. His Bula is a proxy of Iran. Iran
Speaker 15: supplies much of its technology and weaponry. Of course, it's
Speaker 15: easier for Iran to get material to his Bola in
Speaker 15: Lebanon than it is to get stuff into harmas the
Speaker 15: other proxy in the Gaza strip, but it was doing
Speaker 15: that as well, so really comes as no surprise. But
Speaker 15: it is a very public information that this is, as
Speaker 15: much as anything, a proxy war involving Iran and his
Speaker 15: Bulla as a proxy force. That's not to say that
Speaker 15: Liberanese politics don't count for anything and that Hisbola doesn't
Speaker 15: make its own choices, but you know, Iran Tehran is
Speaker 15: certainly standing there in the background and will play a
Speaker 15: key role in what happens next.
Speaker 3: I read a report today that at one funeral in Beirut,
Speaker 3: attendees were asked to turn off their phones and actually
Speaker 3: take out the batteries. So apart from the terrorist that
Speaker 3: it has already injured or killed, it shows that this
Speaker 3: attack definitely has an ongoing psychological element to it. You know,
Speaker 3: they're all paranoid now, they don't feel safe.
Speaker 15: Yeah, this was a syops operation as much as anything.
Speaker 15: It was a major intelligence espionage breakthrough his Buller's compromise.
Speaker 15: So that's embarrassing but also deeply destabilizing for them. And
Speaker 15: then the fact that they don't know which devices have
Speaker 15: been compromised means they can't rely on any of their
Speaker 15: communication devices, any of the electronics, and of course, you know,
Speaker 15: in the modern age, digital technologies everywhere, so we're getting
Speaker 15: unconfirmed reports that apart from the walkie talkies, there are
Speaker 15: other electronic devices blowing up today in Lebanon, So that
Speaker 15: is very destabilizing. And the people of Lebanon, you know,
Speaker 15: many who don't like his bull I don't support his
Speaker 15: bulla of living through hell on Earth when it comes
Speaker 15: to a failure economy, failing politics, and this just adds
Speaker 15: to their sense of hopelessness, so that it plays against
Speaker 15: his below's power. It may have the perverse effect of
Speaker 15: actually having a rally around the flag effect and giving
Speaker 15: some support for an unpopped group is below, but let's
Speaker 15: hope that's not the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, just before you go, how humiliating is this
Speaker 3: for Hasbilah.
Speaker 15: It's deeply humiliating. So there is that loss of face,
Speaker 15: the sense that they've got to do something to stand up.
Speaker 15: But it's also more than just an embarrassment. They've got
Speaker 15: people in their ranks who are compromised, and there's going
Speaker 15: to be an awful witch hunt, and of course those
Speaker 15: witch hunts often go badly wrong, so it's likely to
Speaker 15: have an impact way beyond. You know, there may be
Speaker 15: a handful of middle ranking senior people compromised, there's likely
Speaker 15: to be dozens purged, There's likely of a lot of mistrust.
Speaker 15: It does make them for the time being at least
Speaker 15: less able to operate. Not doesn't incapacitate them, but it
Speaker 15: distabilizes them, and that's why this was seen as perhaps
Speaker 15: a prelionto military action.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Professor Greg Barton, thank you really appreciate
Speaker 3: your insights on what has been a completely extraordinary intelligence
Speaker 3: operation this week.
Speaker 2: It's flawed all of us.
Speaker 3: Now after the break, all eyes on the Higme Minister.
Speaker 3: After the first US rate cut in four years, plus
Speaker 3: immigration and ideology causing our housing woes. We unpack Australia's
Speaker 3: housing crisis as the ABS announces our population has surpassed
Speaker 3: twenty seven million due to the sloan Will join me
Speaker 3: after the break? Welcome back. Well, the US Central Bank
Speaker 3: has cut interest rates for the first time in four years.
Speaker 3: It's reduced the cash rate by half a percentage point.
Speaker 3: The question now is will our own Reserve Bank follow suit? Well,
Speaker 3: here was the Treasurer Jim Charmers this morning.
Speaker 16: Global economy is a pretty uncertain place. That's one of
Speaker 16: the reasons why we're seeing these rate cuts in places
Speaker 16: like the US. When it comes to the Australian situation,
Speaker 16: we've got inflation coming off pretty substantially. The Reserve Bank
Speaker 16: will weigh that up.
Speaker 3: In other words, it doesn't look like we're going to
Speaker 3: have a rate cut in Australia until well into next year. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: an increase in overseas migration has caused Australia's population to
Speaker 3: exceed twenty seven million for the first time. This, of course,
Speaker 3: isn't helping the housing crisis. Here was Opposition leader Peter
Speaker 3: Dutton speaking about this.
Speaker 5: It's just not heading down, Like why does the government
Speaker 5: say this. They keep projecting that the numbers will come off.
Speaker 5: They don't. They keep increasing every quarter and there are
Speaker 5: nine hundred and twenty four thousand people who have come
Speaker 5: in since this government was elected. They promised that there
Speaker 5: would be housing for people who are coming in. You
Speaker 5: can't massively increase the migration program and they're not increase
Speaker 5: housing and this is why Australians can't afford to buy
Speaker 5: a home.
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in now economist and columnist at
Speaker 3: The Australian Jude At Sloan Judith. Great to see you again.
Speaker 3: Let's start with those comments that Peter Dutton just made.
Speaker 3: So we've seen the population hit twenty seven million people
Speaker 3: in Australia figures show nearly a million people have come
Speaker 3: in since the Albanezer government took office. The housing crisis
Speaker 3: is critical. So what do you see as as the
Speaker 3: bigger picture here?
Speaker 8: Well, I think the bigger picture here is the failure
Speaker 8: of the government to do what it said it would do,
Speaker 8: which was to try and wind back the migrant intake. So,
Speaker 8: for example, according to Treasury, we were going to have
Speaker 8: three hundred and seventy five net migrants over last financial year.
Speaker 8: Now it's very clear we've got three quarters of the
Speaker 8: figures in the locker and we're almost up to that
Speaker 8: three ninety five, so we are going to probably go
Speaker 8: closer to another half a million. So basically we are
Speaker 8: allowing the population to grow too rapidly. But within that
Speaker 8: that is almost entirely due to immigration, right, So it's
Speaker 8: over eighty percent of the increase in the population, which
Speaker 8: as you say, is now over twenty seven million, is
Speaker 8: because of him. So you know, they say they want
Speaker 8: to restrict the numbers, they're putting caps on, changing the rules,
Speaker 8: but you just can't see it in the figures.
Speaker 3: And there is a problem the housing crisis to a
Speaker 3: certain extent. I mean you write in your column in
Speaker 3: The Australian that really housing construction is responsibility ultimately of
Speaker 3: the private sector. There's also a role for state and
Speaker 3: local governments approving das. But yet the Albanezy government has
Speaker 3: claimed ownership of this issue. It's now so many schemes
Speaker 3: promising to build hundreds of thousands of homes.
Speaker 2: Not one house has been built.
Speaker 3: So this is a political fight that the Prime Minister chose,
Speaker 3: but he hasn't delivered on it.
Speaker 8: Well, they said the target, So the target is one
Speaker 8: point two billion new homes in a five year period.
Speaker 8: Now setting a target is actually not a policy, it's
Speaker 8: just setting a target, right, and I think everyone in
Speaker 8: the know says, well, that target won't be met. But
Speaker 8: the thing I object to mostly is this, which is
Speaker 8: they say, oh, this is essentially a supply problem, but
Speaker 8: it is actually both a supply and a demand problem.
Speaker 8: And they have allowed the population to grow too rapidly
Speaker 8: and the people, I mean, it's not their fault, but
Speaker 8: people coming in need somewhere to live. And there is
Speaker 8: no way the private sector, even under the most flexible
Speaker 8: and ideal arrangements, could have built a sufficient number of
Speaker 8: new homes to accommodate those numbers. So it is supply
Speaker 8: and demand and you know, it's a train wreck shorry
Speaker 8: to tell you the truth. And I think, certainly in
Speaker 8: my state of Victoria, I think it is a real
Speaker 8: political vulnerability for the state government and probably in New
Speaker 8: South Wales as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and vulnerability for the Prime minister as well. Let's
Speaker 3: turn to the rate cut in the United Absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's turn to the rate cut in the United States.
Speaker 3: We knew this was coming. But Judith, is this rate
Speaker 3: cut a reflection of the fact that the US raised
Speaker 3: rates more aggressively than Australia did and faster, or is
Speaker 3: it that they're tackling inflation better than where.
Speaker 8: Well, I think both ab and easy and charmers are
Speaker 8: wrong on this. You know, they are trying to say
Speaker 8: this is because of uncertain global conditions and weakness in
Speaker 8: the US economy. The US economy is actually pretty strong,
Speaker 8: the unemployment.
Speaker 2: Rate is still pretty low.
Speaker 8: There is really no real risk of it heading into recession.
Speaker 8: But the secret source over there is the fact that
Speaker 8: they've had strong productivity growth and with their very tight
Speaker 8: monetary policy, they've been able to get the inflation rate
Speaker 8: down to about two and a half percent, so that
Speaker 8: is within their target band. Now, the contrast with Australia
Speaker 8: is that inflation is still running at like three point
Speaker 8: eight to four percent. Now we need to get it
Speaker 8: firmly within the two to three percent band in order
Speaker 8: for the Reserve Bank to be convinced that it will
Speaker 8: reduce the cash rates and then the mortgage rates. So,
Speaker 8: you know, I do think there was a lot of
Speaker 8: double talk going on today about this. I think the
Speaker 8: US did exhibit better conduct of monetary policy, but you know,
Speaker 8: there were some other important factors. And it's not because
Speaker 8: the US economy is a weak It's certainly not weak
Speaker 8: relative to US.
Speaker 9: Don't forget Shari.
Speaker 8: In the recent National accounts, our economy was only growing
Speaker 8: byzero point two percent, which is really bumping along.
Speaker 2: Them basically on life support. Basically, yeah, exactly on life support.
Speaker 8: Right capita terms of course, it's it's yeah.
Speaker 3: We're in a per capita recession. This is why households
Speaker 3: are feeling it. Judih Sloane really appreciate your time, Thank you.
Speaker 3: After the break, could Australia's boozy culture becoming to an end?
Speaker 3: New Dark shows the younger generation don't have the taste
Speaker 3: for alcohol that the boomers do. We'll discuss that next.
Speaker 3: Plus Dave Sharma takes on the A and U after
Speaker 3: its weak response, returning a pro hermusk student. That's all
Speaker 3: coming up, welcome back.
Speaker 15: Well.
Speaker 3: According to data from the National Drug and Alcohol Research Center,
Speaker 3: more and more Australians under the age of thirty are
Speaker 3: saying no to alcohol and this is a huge change
Speaker 3: in the Australian drinking culture. Senior columnist Jennie O Dowd
Speaker 3: wrote a fascinating article looking at the difference in generational
Speaker 3: attitudes towards booze and drinking, and she wrote how society
Speaker 3: not only normalizes excessive drinking, but also makes it difficult
Speaker 3: for anyone trying to pull back or abstain. From a
Speaker 3: Sunday Telegraph editor and columnist for The Nightly, Jenio Dowd
Speaker 3: joins me, now, Jenny, great to see you again.
Speaker 2: So what does the data tell us.
Speaker 3: About this generational shift in alcohol consumption.
Speaker 9: Well, the data is really fascinating, Shari.
Speaker 12: It shows that the drinking levels in Australia are at
Speaker 12: their lowest since the nineteen sixties and this level has
Speaker 12: been driven by people under thirty.
Speaker 9: So the levels for Middle Asian elderly people.
Speaker 12: Have actually stayed the same or they're increasing, but younger
Speaker 12: people are bringing down our national levels. And a decade ago,
Speaker 12: the average age for someone to have their first drink
Speaker 12: was fourteen, and now it's sixteen or seventeen, so that
Speaker 12: is also increasing.
Speaker 2: And what are the reasons behind this? Why the younger
Speaker 2: generation choosing.
Speaker 12: Not to drink, Well, I think they're still drinking, Shari.
Speaker 12: The younger generation are very savvy, Like we're in a
Speaker 12: world of information. You can get everything at your fingertips,
Speaker 12: so they know what they should be doing to eat properly,
Speaker 12: they know what they should be doing to exercise properly.
Speaker 12: They know how much they should be doing to drink,
Speaker 12: to drink reasonably. They know that if they go on
Speaker 12: constant binges like we did thirty or not you and
Speaker 12: me thirty years ago, what it does to their body.
Speaker 12: They are just a smarter generation.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I'd be inclined to speculate that this
Speaker 3: is because drug and pill use has increased, and we've
Speaker 3: seen that debate in Victoria, New South Wales about you know,
Speaker 3: not saying no to drugs but having pill testing at
Speaker 3: the festivals.
Speaker 2: I strongly disagree with that. By the way, you know,
Speaker 2: I grew up.
Speaker 3: In the generation where Anna Wood died from a yeah,
Speaker 3: and so the message I think was so much cleaner
Speaker 3: and easier to just say no to drugs.
Speaker 2: They're dangerous.
Speaker 3: And I worry about the message now where the premiere
Speaker 3: is a kind of considering blurring it by saying it
Speaker 3: might be okay because you can test the pills to
Speaker 3: see if they're not harmful. What do you think about
Speaker 3: about this being as part of the reason why alcohol
Speaker 3: use is coming down?
Speaker 12: Well, Sharon, I'm not going to sit here and say
Speaker 12: young people aren't taking drugs, because clearly they are, and
Speaker 12: there is a certain percentage you are and always will.
Speaker 12: But interestingly, that data that you quoted before from the
Speaker 12: Australian National Drug Center also found in the last decade
Speaker 12: that young people taking marijuana and pills has dropped, and
Speaker 12: that is still dropping. I think young people are just
Speaker 12: getting more and more aware than my generation.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because the drinking culture was very much a
Speaker 3: part of not just shot social events, but the workplace
Speaker 3: culture as well, and now there's all these new HR
Speaker 3: rules that kind of in the end stop drinking because
Speaker 3: bad behavior happens when there's alcohol around.
Speaker 9: When you have too much to drink.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, back in the day when I first started work,
Speaker 12: it was quite normal to go out for a too
Speaker 12: or through our boozy lunch with your colleagues, and you'd
Speaker 12: leave your jacket behind your chair, so people still thought
Speaker 12: that in the office you'd come back. It was very
Speaker 12: normal and expected to go and have drinks for the
Speaker 12: boss after work in the pub, and you're also expected
Speaker 12: to take clients out for long and boozy dinners, and
Speaker 12: often these dinners ended up in the local karaoke bar.
Speaker 12: You'd stagger into work after a few hours sleep, absolutely hungover,
Speaker 12: but you wore it as a badger honor.
Speaker 9: Like people were quite proud of.
Speaker 12: You, like like well done, like you know you're a
Speaker 12: good drinker, and it was very hard to say no
Speaker 12: or to cut down.
Speaker 2: I have to say.
Speaker 3: The first time I had a bit too much to
Speaker 3: drink was that your farewell from the Sunday Telegraph, the
Speaker 3: day when you left as an editor. But no, I
Speaker 3: have this vivid memory as well, on Friday afternoons when
Speaker 3: you were trying to get the paper together, of you
Speaker 3: walking around the newsroom and checking that the chief of
Speaker 3: staff and the news editor didn't have alcohol in their
Speaker 3: coffee cups, and often they did, and you would be
Speaker 3: furious about it.
Speaker 9: I remember, it's so clearly. Yeah, it was a big habit.
Speaker 12: It was a big habit to go out back in
Speaker 12: those days, to go out and have a long lunch.
Speaker 12: And yeah, and absolutely I'll try to change that, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Jenny, Dad, thanks so much for your time.
Speaker 9: Pleasure.
Speaker 3: Now after the break and A and you student expelled
Speaker 3: for being a harmask sympathizer is now running for student president.
Speaker 3: This is a disgrace. And I'll tell you how Dave
Speaker 3: Sharma is taking on A and U next. Plus, the
Speaker 3: pressure mounts are now been easy to preference the Greens.
Speaker 3: Last Darren Barnette and Gary Hargrave would join me next.
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in now our next panel, Sky
Speaker 3: News contributor Gary Hargrave and Julia Gillard's former press secretary
Speaker 3: Darren Barnette.
Speaker 2: Welcome both of you. Now let's talk about the A
Speaker 2: and U situation.
Speaker 3: Now we know the university expelled former student Beatrice Tucker
Speaker 3: for her comments on the ABC supporting her mus but
Speaker 3: then bizarrely, her expulsion was overturned by the University, and
Speaker 3: not only is she back at A and U, but
Speaker 3: she's now running to be president of the student association
Speaker 3: under a globalized the Resistance for Palestine ticket. Now this
Speaker 3: capitulation by A ANDU has sparkedge and I can reveal
Speaker 3: that Liberal Senator Dave Sharma has written to the Vice
Speaker 3: chancellor demanding answers, and I understand that in his letter
Speaker 3: Sharma says that Tucker believes the expulsion was overturned thanks
Speaker 3: to a petition signing campaign and political pressure. Sharma's now
Speaker 3: demanding that the UNI explain how the appeals process was
Speaker 3: applied and he's looking for assurances that they are taking
Speaker 3: anti Semitism seriously on campus.
Speaker 2: Gary.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is quite a serious issue where someone
Speaker 3: who has declared on the radio support for terror organization
Speaker 3: can become a student leader at a prestigious institution, and.
Speaker 13: It reflects on everyone who goes to that prestigious institution,
Speaker 13: in fact reflects on Australia. And the point here is
Speaker 13: while may well have been overturned by whatever appeal process,
Speaker 13: and Dave Sharma's right to be chasing this down Shari,
Speaker 13: the simple reality is reputations are risk here. And I
Speaker 13: mean reputations for the university, reputations for Australia to have
Speaker 13: somebody who is so overtly backing a terrorist organization at
Speaker 13: a time of this enormous international conflict. Look, you know,
Speaker 13: I hope the student body realized that if they choose her,
Speaker 13: they're going to damage them. And it's going to mean
Speaker 13: that any future employer is going to look and say, ah,
Speaker 13: so you were at the A and U when this
Speaker 13: woman got elected president of the student body.
Speaker 1: It's not going to help any of them.
Speaker 13: It's not going to help any of them from a
Speaker 13: career reputation point of view. And Hamas is an evil organization.
Speaker 13: Hamas is not supported by most of the Muslim world either. Shari,
Speaker 13: this is not something that we should be associated with.
Speaker 13: Got it comes to some common sense. I hope the
Speaker 13: A and YOU can act.
Speaker 1: But we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a problem.
Speaker 3: Now let's move to this new survey by KPMG. They're
Speaker 3: revealing that more and more bosses are expecting white collar
Speaker 3: workers to return to the office full time over the
Speaker 3: next three years.
Speaker 2: Darren, do you think the.
Speaker 3: Days of flexible working arrangements that we saw really kick
Speaker 3: off during the pandemic are now coming to an end
Speaker 3: that buses are starting to demand people return to the office.
Speaker 17: I think that when there's a team approach to problem
Speaker 17: solving in the workplace, having everybody at work shoulders to
Speaker 17: the wheel. They can find each other quickly rather than
Speaker 17: relying on when an email bon't be returned. I think
Speaker 17: that it does make sense that people are in the
Speaker 17: same workplace. But equally, if you do similar work to
Speaker 17: what I do, which is a consultancy, I don't need
Speaker 17: an office and I can keep my costs lower by
Speaker 17: working from home and being in the cities I need
Speaker 17: to be on an ongoing basis, but my work is
Speaker 17: a little bit unique. But for those workplaces that rely
Speaker 17: on people working together all of the time, we're going
Speaker 17: to see more and more people being a blig to
Speaker 17: come back to work. There will be incentives to do so.
Speaker 17: But I think that we're going to see a return
Speaker 17: to normal in the next couple of years.
Speaker 3: I think, particularly in the public service Gary, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of resistance to coming back to the office.
Speaker 13: Yeah, what a pain actually have to get dressed go
Speaker 13: to work, you know, I mean, but Darren is right,
Speaker 13: I mean the interaction thing, the social skills, the things
Speaker 13: that people lose by them not actually being in the
Speaker 13: same workplace. And you know, for a couple of years
Speaker 13: there during COVID, I never went to the Sky office
Speaker 13: in Sydney, and I'm in Brisbane and I actually went
Speaker 13: down and met people I've been working with for years, Shari,
Speaker 13: So I got it. I understood it, and the idea
Speaker 13: of actually being in a workplace. Like Darren, I do
Speaker 13: a lot of my work over the mobile phone and
Speaker 13: through zoom zoom meetings, so the mass the meetings. But
Speaker 13: I love being back in workplaces. I love interacting with
Speaker 13: you know, good people in workplaces, and it's really important
Speaker 13: that people don't lose those skills.
Speaker 1: Really important.
Speaker 3: I think there's advantages and disadvantages to both. And it
Speaker 3: can be very very lonely working from home. But on
Speaker 3: the other hand, if you're a mum, the flexible working
Speaker 3: arrangements mean that you can get.
Speaker 2: Back to work sooner.
Speaker 3: Now Victorian taxpayers are coughing up more than two hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars to get out of hosting the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: six comm Games, and Scotland is laughing all the way
Speaker 3: to the bag. Scoring not only a free games but
Speaker 3: all of the economic advantages that come with it.
Speaker 2: Darren God this is one of the biggest.
Speaker 3: Stuff ups by the Daniel Andrews fom of government, isn't it.
Speaker 17: I've got to say these are stuff up. There's no
Speaker 17: two ways about that. That.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 17: I suspect that the contracts that they signed, I don't
Speaker 17: think Victoria would have had the option of doing a
Speaker 17: watered down games in the way that Gladsgow is likely
Speaker 17: to do. I think it would have been an all
Speaker 17: in and a very very expensive all in. But equally,
Speaker 17: if you sign the dotted line, you have to follow
Speaker 17: through on what you've signed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: Look, they're going to have to work quickly though, Gary
Speaker 3: to get ready for just less than two years.
Speaker 13: Yeah, but it's going to be only thirteen events. Apparently
Speaker 13: I don't know where the lawn bowls is in it,
Speaker 13: so maybe the Northfolk Island team won't been.
Speaker 1: Coming over there.
Speaker 13: But you know, people in Brisbane are actually saying the
Speaker 13: twenty thirty two Olympics is going to cost too much,
Speaker 13: so we should cancel it.
Speaker 1: No way, you don't want this reputation.
Speaker 13: You want to be the country that delivers on sporting
Speaker 13: and I'm so shattered. I mean, being thirty eight percent Scottish.
Speaker 13: I'm delighted for the Glaswegians, but I gotta say I
Speaker 13: am shattered that Melbourne mucked it up like this so badly.
Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews, hang your head in Shane.
Speaker 2: It is embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Look as long as there's no break dancing at the
Speaker 3: Common Games and I think Australia will be fine.
Speaker 1: Now, can I just.
Speaker 17: Say, very quickly I I covered the lawn bowls for
Speaker 17: AAP the two thousand and six Melbourne Commonwealth Games and
Speaker 17: it was wonderful. I'm sure I've never had a bit
Speaker 17: of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you.
Speaker 3: Go, ribthing, I go very quickly before we go. Speculation
Speaker 3: is ramping up, of course, over what the Labor government
Speaker 3: is going to do, whether it preferences the Greens at
Speaker 3: the next election or not.
Speaker 2: Gary.
Speaker 3: How can the Prime Minister stand up every day and
Speaker 3: attack the Greens but still preference the party.
Speaker 13: Well he was into our ear back in the mid
Speaker 13: nineties when Darren was still in the media gallery. But
Speaker 13: I was in the Parliament and let me tell you,
Speaker 13: he was into our ear, telling us he wanted the
Speaker 13: Greens to go last to save his bacon in his electorates.
Speaker 13: So I think we just need the nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 13: version of albow back, because the Greens are really bad news.
Speaker 13: They are destroying Australia. They are destroying Australia before our
Speaker 13: very eyes, and Labour should not be cowtelling to them,
Speaker 13: they should not be letting them into the game. So
Speaker 13: preference them last. The Liberals do the same, and we
Speaker 13: might clean Australia up a bit.
Speaker 2: Ten seconds, Darren will.
Speaker 17: Whether or not whether or not they preferenced them last.
Speaker 17: A really cautionary tale at the weekend was local government
Speaker 17: elections in Waverley, where the Liberals now have complete control
Speaker 17: of that council and a big part of the reason
Speaker 17: is because Labor preferenced the Greens.
Speaker 3: All right, we're out of time. Thank you both, gentlemen.
Speaker 3: I'll see you on Monday at eight o'clock. Here's poor Marie.