WEBVTT - Sharri | 19 September 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.640 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:07.560 Good Evening. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.240 Well tonight to Albanizi loses his call at questions over 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:12.880 his tax plans. 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:15.200 Yeah, well they're not terribly clever. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.560 Question is he starting to crack under the pressure? Basil 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.439 Zemplus and Matt Canavan will give their take in a 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:27.560 moment Plus Israel further humiliates Hesbela and Iran with an 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.320 attack on their walkie talkies. It comes as more details 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:36.320 emerge about the extraordinary moss Out operation, including claims of 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.839 a shelf company. Terror expert Greg Barton will be on 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:44.240 Live and later Starter shows young OSSI's are shunning alcohol 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.360 in favor of a healthier lifestyle. Veteran journalist Jennie O 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.880 Dowd will be on the show to discuss but first 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:56.120 tonight to Penny Wong's disgraceful vote at the United Nations. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.800 Once again, the Albanese government was out of step with 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:05.000 the United States by not voting against a pro Hamas resolution. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.520 Now, this was the first motion put. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.880 Forward by the Palestinian authority since the Yun rewarded it 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.840 for the October seven massacre by giving it a de 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.559 facto seat at the table back in May a move 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.520 that in itself is a joke. They're giving the Palestinians 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.440 where in Gaza the governing body is a terror regime, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.960 a seat at the table at the Yun, the UN 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.280 created in the wake of the Holocaust and. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.160 World War Two. It's a joke. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.760 A motion for peace should have been if there was 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.400 going to be one, should have been submitted by a 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.120 third party, another country. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:46.000 It could have been balanced. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.680 It could have demanded the release of the hostages and 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:54.360 condemned the slaughter of October seven. But the Yun has 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:59.000 lost all reason. Instead, the first motion, put forward by 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.520 the Palestinians and sponsored by dozens of other, mostly Muslim nations, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.200 called for Israel to get out of Gaza and the 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:12.480 West Bank within a year, no conditions attached, no concern 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:18.240 about innocent hostages, including baby Kafir Bibas and his brother Ariel. 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.919 It actually calls for Israel to pay reparations even to terrorists, 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.720 and once an international Commission of Inquiry set up to 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:33.000 effectively dismantle Israel as a Jewish national home. This resolution 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:38.600 at the UN turns October seven into the Palestinian independence Day. 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:40.840 It rewards terror. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.720 Both the former Australian Ambassador to Israel, Dave Shama, and 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:50.160 Colin Rubinstein spoke this week on the show about just 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.600 how extreme the resolution is. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:57.440 That this is a one sided, inflammatory resolution that will 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:01.200 do nothing to advance the cause of piece extreme. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:05.600 It's basically calling not only for the isolation of Israel, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.000 but the delegitimization of Israel and ultimately is dismantling. 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.960 So it's an omnibus resolution. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:20.079 And even the Biden administration spoke publicly about how disgraceful 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:21.800 this UN resolution is. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.880 One year since twelve hundred citizens from Israel and many 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.400 other countries were massacred and hundreds more taken into the 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:36.360 tunnels beneath Gaza were many still weight in captivity today, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.600 enough is enough. We urge all Council members with influence 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.440 over Hamas to join others and pressing its leaders to 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:45.320 stop stalling. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.840 And this is now creating somewhat of a diplomatic rift 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:55.480 between the United States and Australia. The Biden administration had 0:03:55.560 --> 0:04:02.360 strongly lobbied Pennywong to vote against the motion. She ignored them, 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.960 and in a way, she might have even supported the 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.160 motion had it not been for the US's efforts. In 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.240 a way, there's nothing more depressing than looking at the 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.800 UN vote result seeing how much of the world is 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:22.400 currently against Israel. Only fourteen countries against the motion in 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.960 support of Israel, while there were one hundred and twenty 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.920 four voting in support of the Palestinian motion. Voting against 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:35.919 it was the United States, Argentina and Australia's closest specific partners, 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:43.679 PNG and Fiji. Forty three countries abstained, including Australia, Canada, Germany, Italy, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.360 the UK, Austria, India, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine and others. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:49.719 And by the. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.200 Way, many of those world leaders paid solidarity visits to 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.360 Israel right after the October seven attacks, So how can 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:01.040 they have forgotten that one hundred people still bill are 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.960 held hostage. Then among the one hundred and twenty four 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:13.680 countries that supported the Palestinian motion New Zealand, France, Indonesia, Japan, Spain, South. 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.640 Africa and many more. Now, as you. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.680 Know, Australia has led the world in giving almost three 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.960 thousand visas to Gazans, mostly without proper security checks. But 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.840 what's fascinating is that most of the countries voting yes 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:36.360 in that Palestinian motion supporting the Palestinian motion. Well, they're 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.680 taking in very few, if any Garzans, So this is 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:45.599 a classic case of virtue signaling. Now, Pennywog today in 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.800 a media interview and in a press conference, said, you 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.279 would actually have liked to have supported this motion. 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.640 We would have preferred to have been in a position 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.520 where we could support a resolution that reflected the International 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.560 Court of Justice's advice the opinion, and we worked very 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.719 hard in New York with other countries to try and 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:08.000 get changes to the resolution that would enable us to 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:08.600 support it. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.440 Now she's showing anti Israel bias there, but we also 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.400 saw anti Israel bias from the press gallery. Listen now 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:22.880 to this question that one SBS journalist asked Pennywong just 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.520 on the A lot of people. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:25.800 Around Australia feel. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.800 Like the government isn't doing enough to pressure Israel in 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:28.560 this conflicte. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:29.960 You had an opportunity where the. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.760 Majority of countries throughout the world vote big favor and 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:33.280 only a. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:34.800 Few days or voted against. 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.800 Does this send the wrong message to people in Australia 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.000 you know we're not doing that. 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.680 Well, that's some activism at the SBS. A young journalist 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.480 in Canberra, assuming that a lot of people around Australia 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.039 feel the same way. She does feel that the government 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:54.640 isn't pressuring Israel enough, and Penny Wong took the opportunity 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.720 to highlight all the things Australia was doing for her 0:06:58.800 --> 0:06:59.920 Musk controlled gaza. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.559 You've seen us vote in a vote that was highly 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:10.440 criticized by some for greater recognition of the Palestinians delegation 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:15.560 at the United Nation. You've seen US put sanctions on settlers. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.760 We don't export weapons to Israel, and we will continue 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.000 to look at ways we can add our voice to 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.040 a pathway out of this conflict because we also want 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.840 peace in the Middle East and we regret that we 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:33.280 were not in a position to support this resolution alongside 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.440 the United Kingdom. 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.000 And then the statement that the Australian un representative James 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.760 Larsen gave also very clearly outlined all the anti Israel 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.440 positions that the Albanese government has taken. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:48.120 Have a look. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.960 We doubled our funding to UNRA because it does vital work. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.480 We have not supplied weapons to Israel in at least 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.880 the last five years. We have moved our position on recognition. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.920 We now see recognition as an integral part of a 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:11.160 peace process and as a way to contribute meaningfully towards 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.880 the realization of a two state solution. It's a matter 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.560 of when not if. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.880 You wouldn't have seen comments like that coming from the 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.960 UN representative under the former Coalition government or labor governments 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.480 in the past. There's no question now James Larsen, who 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.320 you just saw speaking there, he's a career diplomat and 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.600 he does have to deliver the lines drafted by Canberra. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.160 Yet this is still embarrassing for him given he used 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:44.360 to be highly respected as the former ambassador in Israel. Now, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.320 while this vote that we've seen at the UN, it 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:50.480 is depressing, but it's not surprising ever since Israel's creation. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.960 Whenever the Arab Group. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.280 Has tabled a resolution at the UN, it does automatically 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:01.120 achieve majority support. But what matters is the like minded 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:06.319 nations vote, and it's concerning that only the US voted 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.959 against it. But like I said, this is now a 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.360 forum for left wing virtue signalers and show ponies, and 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:20.120 ultimately the United Nations, while a disgrace, is irrelevant, and 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.800 Israel showed that yet again last night as the UN 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:28.200 moved emotion against it. We presume Israel carried out yet 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:34.000 another stealth operation against Hesbelah, this time blowing up their 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:39.640 walkie talkies. It's brilliant and genius. But the United Nations 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:44.000 Secretary General Antonio Gouterres said he was deeply alarmed by 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:49.480 this by terrorists being killed. His comments render him an 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.120 object of ridicule and utterly inconsequential. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:54.880 The lesson is. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.040 That the sophisticated assault on Hesbela this week, attacks beyond 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:04.320 the capability or imagination of any other intelligence agency around 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:09.960 the world, unprecedented in their brilliance, shows that Israel will 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:15.920 defend its citizens irrespective of the corrupt United Nations. The 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.480 Jewish commitment to survival espouse by the Israelis is no 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:25.480 holds barret. It's uncompromising and it should give us encouragement 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:30.200 when the world turns against reason and rationality like it 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:36.880 did overnight. All right, as I said, a terror expert 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.480 Greg Barton will join me a bit later to talk 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.120 about how those Hesbela attacks unfolded. But now let's bring 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.760 a national Senator Matt Canavan and Perth mayor basil zemplists. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.120 Welcome it to you, both gentlemen, Matt, just continuing, just 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.040 want to get your reaction to that topic there, Matt Canavan. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.680 If it weren't for the pressure by the United States, 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.800 Penny Wog might very well have voted in favor of 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.000 this pro humus motion. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.960 Well, that may very well have been the case. So 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.120 you would hope not because as you outlined and as 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:14.000 others have, I mean, this motion was not a motion 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.120 for peace. I mean, the Australian government, to all other governments, 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.680 should be trying to work towards a peaceful solution that 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.120 reduces a number of people dying at the moment. It's terrible, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:26.680 it's horrific. And this motion, among other things, called for 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.560 the return of all Palestinians displaced over the many years 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.720 of conflict in that area. Anybody that knows anything about 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:41.240 the negotiations between Israel and Palestine knows that that's just 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.920 not going to happen, and voting for motion of that 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.880 kind just puts unnecessary hurdles in the road of trying 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.280 to find a peaceful solution long term. So look, I 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.720 don't think just bite all the government's protestations now, I 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.320 actually don't think they're acting in good faith to try 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.840 and find peaceful resolutions. They act with their own domestic 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.160 political interests, electoral interests in mind. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.160 That's what's happening here. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.880 They are doing what they're doing because they just worried 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.280 about losing votes in electrics in Australia. And I think 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.840 that's whether that's true or not, I think it's reprehensible 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.319 to be acting in that way when people are dying 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.120 on the other side of the world. Shot, we should 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.679 be caring about them, not your own little jobs here 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:22.240 in Australia. 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:27.200 Or conversely, we should be worried about social cohesion in Australia, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.000 protecting all Australian citizens, rather than Penny Wog thinking she 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.040 can solve the conflict in the Middle East. It's just 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.240 so arrogant of her to think she can lecture Israel 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.439 like this basil. You know, as Matt Canavan just said, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.560 there are domestic considerations here for Penny wang and the 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:46.480 Albanezi government. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.439 And the flip side is, you. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:52.320 Know, we think it's absurd that Australia are abstained, but 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.840 the pro Palestinian movement will be furious at the government 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:57.800 for not supporting this motion. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.640 And caful what you wish for. Sometimes isn't it. And 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.200 that's exactly right, So they might have backed themselves into 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.200 a corner. I think when we consider throughout our history 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.800 the number of times that we have or have not 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.440 stood with the United States, there are not many times 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.960 that come to mind when we have not stood in 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.720 line and side by side the United States. And yet 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:24.040 we have not voted with the Biden administration on this issue. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.600 And at the heart of it, one hundred people coming 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:31.360 up for the one year anniversary of being held hostage, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.800 and I think sometimes simplifying it down to that nearly 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:39.600 a year, one hundred Israelis still held hostage. When will 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:44.199 they be released? Release them? And this takes a whole different. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:49.160 Direction here here well, said Basil Zamplus now looking at 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.000 the Prime Minister, the pressure seems to be getting to him. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.160 He lashed out at ABC radio presenter Precisier card Vellis 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:00.360 when he was asked, really some pretty straightforward questions about hacks. 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:00.920 Have a listen. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:06.319 Are you saying negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.440 are absolutely off the table for you? 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:13.360 Well, they're tax policies, but are those tax policies? 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.640 Are those tax policies completely off the table? 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:15.920 For you. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:21.400 Well, Patricia, I don't answer the sort of those sort 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.720 of questions in the way. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.760 That goes Yeah, that's a good question. 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.600 Are you going to say no to those or not? 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.360 They're things that journalists The next question is when will 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:32.040 the election be? 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.000 That's not my next question. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:34.840 Yeah. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.040 Well, they're not terribly clever questions. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.160 And here was Peter Dutten speaking about this interaction. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.560 The fact that he can't even answer basic questions, as 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.160 we saw in the Patricia Carvellers story, this interview this 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.680 morning demonstrates that the Prime Minister is just not. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:50.920 Up to it. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.440 Matt, do you think his reaction to Patricia is a 0:14:55.440 --> 0:15:00.000 reflection of the bad polls, the sticky inflation, the roadblocks 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.240 he's seen this week and getting his legislation through the Senate. 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.320 Do you think all of this is rattling him. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:07.720 It would seem like it. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.800 I think actually there might be something deeper here, though, Shari. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.960 I think the Prime Minister now the Labor Party, has 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.680 one eye on minority government and the reason he can't 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:23.040 answer simple questions like that is he's keeping his options 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:28.840 open to negotiate with radical Green teal crossbenches to change 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.160 his policy settings. After the election after you might vote 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.960 for him and do something completely different. I think Anthony 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.840 Alberinezi desperately wants to avoid a there will be no 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.680 carbon tax out of the governor I lead type moment 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.480 because if he was plain and direct as you would 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.040 hope your political need is to be right now, that 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.360 will limit his options after an election. And I think 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.800 everyone voting at the next veedual election has to realize 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.680 that you just can't trust the Labor Party and what 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.800 they say, because after the election they're probably going to 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.440 have to go and negotiate with Adam Bant with whoever 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.440 have a teal is the loudest that week and deliver 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.960 something completely different you thought you were getting if you 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.360 vote from this next time. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.440 Basil is never a good look when a politician snaps 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:16.560 at a journalist over their questions, especially a safe ABC journalist. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.520 And by the way, the PM only does interviews with 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.520 journalists that he's friends with or friendly with, or that 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.000 he likes and socializes with. For the most part, he 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.920 will not come on this show. You haven't seen him 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.480 come on this show I don't think since about twenty eighty. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.040 So you're not friends with him. You're not friends I. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.440 Used to be I used to eat. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:36.720 But the point is. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.760 He won't sit down for tough questions. He doesn't want 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.520 to have to handle very tough questions if he knows 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.080 an interview is going to be antagonistic. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.880 He didn't expect this was going to be on the ABC. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.880 So, Basil, do you think this indicates that he is 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:51.720 feeling the heat? 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.040 There's absolutely no doubt. Let me lead with this disclaimer. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.040 In a recent form of life on Triple and Breakfast, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.760 we are a safe haven in Perth for the former 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.560 leader of the opposition leader and then the Prime Minister. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.920 He enjoyed coming on and he did get an easy run, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.800 but we weren't trying to score major political points from 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.480 an interview point of view. We were trying to have 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.880 a little bit of fun. You know, where the PM's 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.440 at a labor PM, and this labor PM. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:19.840 If he wanders into. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:24.119 An ABC studio and has a meltdown moment like that, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.800 that's not good for him, that's not good for the 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.239 Labor Party and that is a very firm indication of 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.960 where things are at Normally, that would be big tip 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.600 safe haven. Everything's going to be all right here if 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.480 he's emerging from an interview in those surrounds like that, 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.000 that tells you everything you need to know. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:43.680 Also, you know a. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.640 Basil The PM loves FM radio interviews. He probably does 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.280 them more than any other type. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.200 Wouldn't it be great to get. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.359 An easy run. Yes, that's right, and they all do. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:55.600 I mean they all do. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.280 And I've been on AM and FM and our job 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.239 as FM radio presenters breakfast. It was too entertained. We 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.080 weren't trying to nail them on the gotcha moment that 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:05.000 changed an election. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:05.679 We were trying to. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.359 Find out what they had for dinner, what was in 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.880 the fridge, where their first date was, where did they 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.960 have their first kiss, all of that sort of stuff, 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:18.600 what's their favorite tailor? You got it would have started 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.000 Matt Canavan, that was all. I think they can show 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:25.280 more of their personality. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.639 Yeah, but Matt Canavan that is clearly Alban Ezey has 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.880 chosen strategy. He feels comfortable in an environment in FM 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.480 radio where he can have a bit of fun and 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.679 because he's often not across the policy details, so he 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.960 can't really handle detailed interviews all the time. 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.320 Yeah, I think it makes you less smatch fit. I 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.720 mean I go on the ABC for my sins, and yep, 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.440 you get a bit of a grilling sometimes, but you've 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:53.879 got to be prepared for that, and you've got to 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.520 be able to defend your own viewpoints and policies. And 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.119 I think sometimes that you do you do. When you 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.720 see AB or green politicians getting very affronted by someone 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.400 disagreeing with them or challenging them, it is because they're 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.560 so often little challenge. They live in kind of bubbles, 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.200 inner city places of our country and don't really get 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:13.600 out enough. I think it'd be great for the promise 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.359 to get out and talk to real people. So yep, 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.840 being better if he came on your show and subject 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.160 to the whole country to a grilling, it might probably happen. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.600 But go and talk to real people about their real circumstances. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.160 I don't think he's doing enough of that right now. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.359 Yeah, good advice. Now. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.080 In the US, Kamala Harris has suffered a bit of 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.040 a blow to her election campaign after one of America's 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:37.080 most powerful unions ruled out endorsing her. And this is 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.040 the first time in thirty years that the International Brotherhood 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:45.040 of Teamsters has failed to endorse a democratic nominee. So 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.680 the last time was back in nineteen sixty six. Basil, 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.080 what do you think this says about Kamala Harris's campaign strategy? 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.359 You know, how is she going wrong? That she can't 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:55.600 get the union on board? 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:58.639 Not a good sign, is it. I mean, if she 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.720 hasn't got the unions on board, if they can't lock 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.239 in on her the way that you would expect, and 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:07.199 certainly the way history has suggested they would, that is 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.200 a danger sign. And I guess at the heart of it, 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.200 it's this lack of certainty around what Kamala Harris will 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:18.000 stand for and how she will execute if indeed she 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.959 becomes the president of the United States. So there's great uncertainty. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.879 We know, she hasn't answered a whole lot of questions, 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.600 she hasn't done many interviews where she's really been pushed. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.399 But this would be a major warning sign, a major 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.800 warning sign, and it does have This could run away, 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:41.440 this could form, could produce a cascading effect. So she'll 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.359 be trying to bring this in. But if you can't 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.360 get them to commit, well you are in a. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:46.160 Spot of bother here. 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.600 Matt Cain about how do you reckon the US election? 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:51.439 Is looking at the moment, who would you put your 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:51.879 odds on. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.320 Yeah, I put them on Trump. I think that pole 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:00.960 you've mentioned demonstrates the major points the prism through which 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.719 I'm looking at this election, and that is it's not 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:04.840 really a national election. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:05.960 It's an election that. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:13.760 Cuts across mostly Midwest states in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:14.440 Nevada too. 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.280 But all of those states are. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.320 Really a good fit for a very liberal, left wing 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.000 senator from San Francisco. And I think the most interesting 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.560 thing about that teams to poll was that when they 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.280 held some town hall straw polls earlier in the year, 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.720 Biden was actually backed over Trump by the teams, by 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.000 those teams to members, by the union members. And that's 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:39.080 completely reversed since they've changed to Kamla. And I just 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.520 don't think the change is actually smart for the Democratic Party. 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.680 She's not a good fit for the states that matter 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:44.679 at a presidential election. 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.280 So your tip is Donald Trump, but it is looking 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.000 very close. Bazil, just quickly before we go, what do 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:52.479 you reckon this far out? 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.200 Well, look, if Kamala had to come on triple m perth, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:57.040 we would have given. 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:57.520 Her a tough time. 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.680 Just to y think she's looking for the triple m 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.200 Perth interview. At the moment, she's not going to get it, 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.040 but maybe that's what she's looking for. 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:12.800 She's just waiting for them, all right, Matt Caravan, Basil Sampliss. 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.359 Great to see you both now. 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:19.280 Just as we were awed by the targeted pager attack, overnight, 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:24.639 a second wave of explosions targeted Hesbela members terrorists. This 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.800 time thousands of walkie talkies carried by the terror group 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.720 blew up. It's been reported that it killed at least 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.920 twenty people, although there are senior figures who are speculating 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.400 that the true figure is much higher and Hesbela isn't 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:45.200 being being transparent about this. Israeli Defense Minister Jav Gallant 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.639 announced a new phase of the war. He says he 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.639 wants Israelis displaced from the north to be able to 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:51.359 return home. 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.320 I appreciate that we are at the beginning of a 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.320 new era in this war and we need to adapt ourselves. 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.920 This is true for everyone, certainly for those who are 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.360 in the air or control what is in the air, 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.440 because the position here is stronger. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.679 So that will be the strategy now moving forward with 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:14.280 resources shifting to the north of Israel. There are also unconfirmed, 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:18.520 unconfirmed reports that the original pager attack was brought forward 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:23.600 over concerns that HESBLA had uncovered the operation or had 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.840 become suspicious about their devices. As I say, those are 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:31.480 unconfirmed reports. And now journalists have started to trace the 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:36.320 pathway of the pages from Taiwan to Leberton in an 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.720 effort to work out when and where they were intercepted, 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.240 presumably by Mossat. There's mystery now around the manufacturer of 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:49.480 the pages, BAC Consulting, located in Budapest. The business address 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.760 listed seems to be Affront. It's only used reportedly as 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:57.240 a postal address. Now for more on this incredible operation, 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:01.440 I'm joined by Deacon University Global Islami Politics Chair, Professor 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:06.119 Greg Barton. Welcome to the program now, Professor. Five months 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:11.520 ago HASBILA leader Nazraala first told members to stop using 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:15.119 their mobile phones. So do you think this is when 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:19.960 the planning of this attack, presumably by Musad, first began. 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.320 Yeah, sure, it certainly goes back early in the year. 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:29.360 That most significant speech from Hassan Nasola was in February. 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.080 He said if you're worried about Israeli spies. The Israeli 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.280 spies in your pocket. It's your mobile phone. Get rid 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.280 of them. We can't use mobile phones that have got 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:39.479 into our network. They can go locate you, they can 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.120 record your conversations. So that was February, and apparently these 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.639 pages came in a batch five months ago, so they 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.280 woult have put out in order and trying to organize 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.040 it so they could make that switch. And at the 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.560 same time, apparently they also got a batch of walkie talkies. 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:56.280 We don't know where they came from. And as you 0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.399 were saying, this front company in Budapest doesn't have the 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.280 capacity to manufacturer. It had paid for a license with 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.720 gold Apollo, the Taiwanese company, to manufacture the pages, but 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.439 doesn't have manufacturing facilities as far as we can determine, 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:10.400 I mean to be frank, it rather looks as if 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:16.000 Mossad made these pages on the gold Apollo design so 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:19.800 they wouldn't be detected, planted small amounts ten twenty grams 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:24.280 of military grade explosives and a triggering circuit in a 0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:27.680 way that wasn't easily detected, and as you said, apparently 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.480 there was it seems possible that there was some suspicion 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.679 about these devices and this operation was brought forward. It 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.119 was thought the reason for the operation was as a 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.639 prelude to a military campaign, so a psychological blow, but 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:44.280 also a way of unhinging a terrorist network that is 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.200 a very highly networked organization that depends on people turning 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.719 up and playing close at a moment's notice. When they 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.679 get a message, we'll take away that messaging. And that's 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.400 very hard to his pilot of work in the way 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:54.040 that it's used to. 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.840 What does it say when we hear that the Iranian 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.600 envoy had a Hesbla pager? What does that say about 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:04.520 the Iranian envoys links to Hesbela. 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.080 Well, I think it comes as no surprise to anyone 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:12.000 watching this. His Bula is a proxy of Iran. Iran 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.600 supplies much of its technology and weaponry. Of course, it's 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:17.680 easier for Iran to get material to his Bola in 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.399 Lebanon than it is to get stuff into harmas the 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.320 other proxy in the Gaza strip, but it was doing 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:26.240 that as well, so really comes as no surprise. But 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.239 it is a very public information that this is, as 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.240 much as anything, a proxy war involving Iran and his 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.040 Bulla as a proxy force. That's not to say that 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.800 Liberanese politics don't count for anything and that Hisbola doesn't 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.520 make its own choices, but you know, Iran Tehran is 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:43.159 certainly standing there in the background and will play a 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:44.440 key role in what happens next. 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.800 I read a report today that at one funeral in Beirut, 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.080 attendees were asked to turn off their phones and actually 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:56.399 take out the batteries. So apart from the terrorist that 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.399 it has already injured or killed, it shows that this 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.400 attack definitely has an ongoing psychological element to it. You know, 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.359 they're all paranoid now, they don't feel safe. 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.720 Yeah, this was a syops operation as much as anything. 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:14.520 It was a major intelligence espionage breakthrough his Buller's compromise. 0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:19.400 So that's embarrassing but also deeply destabilizing for them. And 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.679 then the fact that they don't know which devices have 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.000 been compromised means they can't rely on any of their 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.560 communication devices, any of the electronics, and of course, you know, 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.800 in the modern age, digital technologies everywhere, so we're getting 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.480 unconfirmed reports that apart from the walkie talkies, there are 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.960 other electronic devices blowing up today in Lebanon, So that 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:40.199 is very destabilizing. And the people of Lebanon, you know, 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.040 many who don't like his bull I don't support his 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.320 bulla of living through hell on Earth when it comes 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:48.680 to a failure economy, failing politics, and this just adds 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:53.840 to their sense of hopelessness, so that it plays against 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.639 his below's power. It may have the perverse effect of 0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.040 actually having a rally around the flag effect and giving 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.320 some support for an unpopped group is below, but let's 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:02.200 hope that's not the case. 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.600 Yeah, definitely, just before you go, how humiliating is this 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:08.240 for Hasbilah. 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.520 It's deeply humiliating. So there is that loss of face, 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.200 the sense that they've got to do something to stand up. 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.440 But it's also more than just an embarrassment. They've got 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.320 people in their ranks who are compromised, and there's going 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.040 to be an awful witch hunt, and of course those 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.119 witch hunts often go badly wrong, so it's likely to 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.399 have an impact way beyond. You know, there may be 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.280 a handful of middle ranking senior people compromised, there's likely 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.680 to be dozens purged, There's likely of a lot of mistrust. 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.840 It does make them for the time being at least 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.480 less able to operate. Not doesn't incapacitate them, but it 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:46.040 distabilizes them, and that's why this was seen as perhaps 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:47.160 a prelionto military action. 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.160 Yeah all right, Professor Greg Barton, thank you really appreciate 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.880 your insights on what has been a completely extraordinary intelligence 0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:55.880 operation this week. 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:57.440 It's flawed all of us. 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.640 Now after the break, all eyes on the Higme Minister. 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:05.080 After the first US rate cut in four years, plus 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:09.840 immigration and ideology causing our housing woes. We unpack Australia's 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:14.720 housing crisis as the ABS announces our population has surpassed 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.640 twenty seven million due to the sloan Will join me 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:25.640 after the break? Welcome back. Well, the US Central Bank 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.000 has cut interest rates for the first time in four years. 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.440 It's reduced the cash rate by half a percentage point. 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.520 The question now is will our own Reserve Bank follow suit? Well, 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.160 here was the Treasurer Jim Charmers this morning. 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.000 Global economy is a pretty uncertain place. That's one of 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:46.160 the reasons why we're seeing these rate cuts in places 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:50.320 like the US. When it comes to the Australian situation, 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:54.720 we've got inflation coming off pretty substantially. The Reserve Bank 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:55.520 will weigh that up. 0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.680 In other words, it doesn't look like we're going to 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:03.440 have a rate cut in Australia until well into next year. Meanwhile, 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.240 an increase in overseas migration has caused Australia's population to 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:11.160 exceed twenty seven million for the first time. This, of course, 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:15.000 isn't helping the housing crisis. Here was Opposition leader Peter 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:16.680 Dutton speaking about this. 0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:19.640 It's just not heading down, Like why does the government 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.400 say this. They keep projecting that the numbers will come off. 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.920 They don't. They keep increasing every quarter and there are 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.040 nine hundred and twenty four thousand people who have come 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:31.280 in since this government was elected. They promised that there 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.720 would be housing for people who are coming in. You 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.200 can't massively increase the migration program and they're not increase 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.920 housing and this is why Australians can't afford to buy 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:40.240 a home. 0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.400 All right, let's bring in now economist and columnist at 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.480 The Australian Jude At Sloan Judith. Great to see you again. 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.960 Let's start with those comments that Peter Dutton just made. 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.440 So we've seen the population hit twenty seven million people 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:59.320 in Australia figures show nearly a million people have come 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:03.640 in since the Albanezer government took office. The housing crisis 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:07.080 is critical. So what do you see as as the 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:07.960 bigger picture here? 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.640 Well, I think the bigger picture here is the failure 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:15.920 of the government to do what it said it would do, 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:19.959 which was to try and wind back the migrant intake. So, 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.320 for example, according to Treasury, we were going to have 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:28.240 three hundred and seventy five net migrants over last financial year. 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.959 Now it's very clear we've got three quarters of the 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.800 figures in the locker and we're almost up to that 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:39.080 three ninety five, so we are going to probably go 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:44.040 closer to another half a million. So basically we are 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:48.680 allowing the population to grow too rapidly. But within that 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:52.520 that is almost entirely due to immigration, right, So it's 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:56.280 over eighty percent of the increase in the population, which 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.280 as you say, is now over twenty seven million, is 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:03.760 because of him. So you know, they say they want 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:07.560 to restrict the numbers, they're putting caps on, changing the rules, 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.560 but you just can't see it in the figures. 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.560 And there is a problem the housing crisis to a 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.080 certain extent. I mean you write in your column in 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:21.640 The Australian that really housing construction is responsibility ultimately of 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.720 the private sector. There's also a role for state and 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.560 local governments approving das. But yet the Albanezy government has 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.880 claimed ownership of this issue. It's now so many schemes 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.800 promising to build hundreds of thousands of homes. 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.920 Not one house has been built. 0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:41.160 So this is a political fight that the Prime Minister chose, 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:42.800 but he hasn't delivered on it. 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.840 Well, they said the target, So the target is one 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.600 point two billion new homes in a five year period. 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.640 Now setting a target is actually not a policy, it's 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.520 just setting a target, right, and I think everyone in 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:02.560 the know says, well, that target won't be met. But 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:06.520 the thing I object to mostly is this, which is 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:10.400 they say, oh, this is essentially a supply problem, but 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.040 it is actually both a supply and a demand problem. 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.640 And they have allowed the population to grow too rapidly 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.160 and the people, I mean, it's not their fault, but 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.320 people coming in need somewhere to live. And there is 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.719 no way the private sector, even under the most flexible 0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.760 and ideal arrangements, could have built a sufficient number of 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.840 new homes to accommodate those numbers. So it is supply 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:40.200 and demand and you know, it's a train wreck shorry 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.840 to tell you the truth. And I think, certainly in 0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:45.280 my state of Victoria, I think it is a real 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:49.320 political vulnerability for the state government and probably in New 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:50.440 South Wales as well. 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.800 Yeah, and vulnerability for the Prime minister as well. Let's 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.440 turn to the rate cut in the United Absolutely. Yeah, 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.440 let's turn to the rate cut in the United States. 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.760 We knew this was coming. But Judith, is this rate 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.640 cut a reflection of the fact that the US raised 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:09.520 rates more aggressively than Australia did and faster, or is 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.000 it that they're tackling inflation better than where. 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.200 Well, I think both ab and easy and charmers are 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.480 wrong on this. You know, they are trying to say 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.759 this is because of uncertain global conditions and weakness in 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:30.000 the US economy. The US economy is actually pretty strong, 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:31.880 the unemployment. 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:32.640 Rate is still pretty low. 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.440 There is really no real risk of it heading into recession. 0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.239 But the secret source over there is the fact that 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:44.479 they've had strong productivity growth and with their very tight 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:47.640 monetary policy, they've been able to get the inflation rate 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:50.160 down to about two and a half percent, so that 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:54.239 is within their target band. Now, the contrast with Australia 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:57.479 is that inflation is still running at like three point 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:00.239 eight to four percent. Now we need to get it 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.919 firmly within the two to three percent band in order 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.560 for the Reserve Bank to be convinced that it will 0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.480 reduce the cash rates and then the mortgage rates. So, 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:12.920 you know, I do think there was a lot of 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:17.319 double talk going on today about this. I think the 0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:23.279 US did exhibit better conduct of monetary policy, but you know, 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.320 there were some other important factors. And it's not because 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.040 the US economy is a weak It's certainly not weak 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:29.920 relative to US. 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:30.960 Don't forget Shari. 0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:34.880 In the recent National accounts, our economy was only growing 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:39.000 byzero point two percent, which is really bumping along. 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:43.640 Them basically on life support. Basically, yeah, exactly on life support. 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:48.120 Right capita terms of course, it's it's yeah. 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.000 We're in a per capita recession. This is why households 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.160 are feeling it. Judih Sloane really appreciate your time, Thank you. 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:59.239 After the break, could Australia's boozy culture becoming to an end? 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.000 New Dark shows the younger generation don't have the taste 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.240 for alcohol that the boomers do. We'll discuss that next. 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.439 Plus Dave Sharma takes on the A and U after 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:13.920 its weak response, returning a pro hermusk student. That's all 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:18.040 coming up, welcome back. 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:18.200 Well. 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:21.840 According to data from the National Drug and Alcohol Research Center, 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:25.319 more and more Australians under the age of thirty are 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.440 saying no to alcohol and this is a huge change 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.280 in the Australian drinking culture. Senior columnist Jennie O Dowd 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:36.000 wrote a fascinating article looking at the difference in generational 0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:40.680 attitudes towards booze and drinking, and she wrote how society 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.640 not only normalizes excessive drinking, but also makes it difficult 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:48.239 for anyone trying to pull back or abstain. From a 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.640 Sunday Telegraph editor and columnist for The Nightly, Jenio Dowd 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.400 joins me, now, Jenny, great to see you again. 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:56.520 So what does the data tell us. 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.560 About this generational shift in alcohol consumption. 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.360 Well, the data is really fascinating, Shari. 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:07.960 It shows that the drinking levels in Australia are at 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.879 their lowest since the nineteen sixties and this level has 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.200 been driven by people under thirty. 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.439 So the levels for Middle Asian elderly people. 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.600 Have actually stayed the same or they're increasing, but younger 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:25.200 people are bringing down our national levels. And a decade ago, 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.200 the average age for someone to have their first drink 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:32.160 was fourteen, and now it's sixteen or seventeen, so that 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:33.480 is also increasing. 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.360 And what are the reasons behind this? Why the younger 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:37.680 generation choosing. 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.840 Not to drink, Well, I think they're still drinking, Shari. 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.759 The younger generation are very savvy, Like we're in a 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.719 world of information. You can get everything at your fingertips, 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.880 so they know what they should be doing to eat properly, 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.759 they know what they should be doing to exercise properly. 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.560 They know how much they should be doing to drink, 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.160 to drink reasonably. They know that if they go on 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.600 constant binges like we did thirty or not you and 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:08.160 me thirty years ago, what it does to their body. 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.240 They are just a smarter generation. 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.440 I think, yeah, I'd be inclined to speculate that this 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:17.160 is because drug and pill use has increased, and we've 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.680 seen that debate in Victoria, New South Wales about you know, 0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.799 not saying no to drugs but having pill testing at 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:24.480 the festivals. 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:26.680 I strongly disagree with that. By the way, you know, 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:27.399 I grew up. 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:32.240 In the generation where Anna Wood died from a yeah, 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.720 and so the message I think was so much cleaner 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.760 and easier to just say no to drugs. 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:37.520 They're dangerous. 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.480 And I worry about the message now where the premiere 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.680 is a kind of considering blurring it by saying it 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.920 might be okay because you can test the pills to 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.719 see if they're not harmful. What do you think about 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.680 about this being as part of the reason why alcohol 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:53.759 use is coming down? 0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:56.160 Well, Sharon, I'm not going to sit here and say 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.719 young people aren't taking drugs, because clearly they are, and 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.560 there is a certain percentage you are and always will. 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.200 But interestingly, that data that you quoted before from the 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:11.759 Australian National Drug Center also found in the last decade 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.839 that young people taking marijuana and pills has dropped, and 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.640 that is still dropping. I think young people are just 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.200 getting more and more aware than my generation. 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.200 It's interesting because the drinking culture was very much a 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:29.480 part of not just shot social events, but the workplace 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.200 culture as well, and now there's all these new HR 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:36.080 rules that kind of in the end stop drinking because 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.680 bad behavior happens when there's alcohol around. 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:40.439 When you have too much to drink. 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.360 Yeah, well, back in the day when I first started work, 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.960 it was quite normal to go out for a too 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:49.160 or through our boozy lunch with your colleagues, and you'd 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.480 leave your jacket behind your chair, so people still thought 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:55.600 that in the office you'd come back. It was very 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.080 normal and expected to go and have drinks for the 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.120 boss after work in the pub, and you're also expected 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.920 to take clients out for long and boozy dinners, and 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.640 often these dinners ended up in the local karaoke bar. 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:12.160 You'd stagger into work after a few hours sleep, absolutely hungover, 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:14.080 but you wore it as a badger honor. 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:15.560 Like people were quite proud of. 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.440 You, like like well done, like you know you're a 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.360 good drinker, and it was very hard to say no 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:22.480 or to cut down. 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:23.640 I have to say. 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:25.360 The first time I had a bit too much to 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.920 drink was that your farewell from the Sunday Telegraph, the 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.279 day when you left as an editor. But no, I 0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:34.239 have this vivid memory as well, on Friday afternoons when 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.360 you were trying to get the paper together, of you 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.880 walking around the newsroom and checking that the chief of 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.640 staff and the news editor didn't have alcohol in their 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:45.040 coffee cups, and often they did, and you would be 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:46.080 furious about it. 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.960 I remember, it's so clearly. Yeah, it was a big habit. 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:50.840 It was a big habit to go out back in 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:52.600 those days, to go out and have a long lunch. 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.640 And yeah, and absolutely I'll try to change that, all. 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.359 Right, Jenny, Dad, thanks so much for your time. 0:40:57.560 --> 0:40:57.960 Pleasure. 0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:01.319 Now after the break and A and you student expelled 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:05.520 for being a harmask sympathizer is now running for student president. 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.200 This is a disgrace. And I'll tell you how Dave 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.640 Sharma is taking on A and U next. Plus, the 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.280 pressure mounts are now been easy to preference the Greens. 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.000 Last Darren Barnette and Gary Hargrave would join me next. 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.000 All right, let's bring in now our next panel, Sky 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:27.960 News contributor Gary Hargrave and Julia Gillard's former press secretary 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:28.840 Darren Barnette. 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:32.480 Welcome both of you. Now let's talk about the A 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:33.759 and U situation. 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:38.080 Now we know the university expelled former student Beatrice Tucker 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.440 for her comments on the ABC supporting her mus but 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:46.520 then bizarrely, her expulsion was overturned by the University, and 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.400 not only is she back at A and U, but 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.640 she's now running to be president of the student association 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:57.560 under a globalized the Resistance for Palestine ticket. Now this 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.560 capitulation by A ANDU has sparkedge and I can reveal 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.520 that Liberal Senator Dave Sharma has written to the Vice 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:09.560 chancellor demanding answers, and I understand that in his letter 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.960 Sharma says that Tucker believes the expulsion was overturned thanks 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:18.919 to a petition signing campaign and political pressure. Sharma's now 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:22.560 demanding that the UNI explain how the appeals process was 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.240 applied and he's looking for assurances that they are taking 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.520 anti Semitism seriously on campus. 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:29.480 Gary. 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:33.080 I mean, this is quite a serious issue where someone 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:37.279 who has declared on the radio support for terror organization 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:44.080 can become a student leader at a prestigious institution, and. 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.239 It reflects on everyone who goes to that prestigious institution, 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:50.200 in fact reflects on Australia. And the point here is 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:53.640 while may well have been overturned by whatever appeal process, 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.280 and Dave Sharma's right to be chasing this down Shari, 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.840 the simple reality is reputations are risk here. And I 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:05.719 mean reputations for the university, reputations for Australia to have 0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:10.799 somebody who is so overtly backing a terrorist organization at 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.840 a time of this enormous international conflict. Look, you know, 0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.120 I hope the student body realized that if they choose her, 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.799 they're going to damage them. And it's going to mean 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.920 that any future employer is going to look and say, ah, 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.000 so you were at the A and U when this 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.080 woman got elected president of the student body. 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:29.879 It's not going to help any of them. 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:31.480 It's not going to help any of them from a 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:35.680 career reputation point of view. And Hamas is an evil organization. 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:40.480 Hamas is not supported by most of the Muslim world either. Shari, 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:43.279 this is not something that we should be associated with. 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.200 Got it comes to some common sense. I hope the 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:47.080 A and YOU can act. 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:47.920 But we'll see. 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:49.680 Yeah, no, it's a problem. 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:54.279 Now let's move to this new survey by KPMG. They're 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.520 revealing that more and more bosses are expecting white collar 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:01.360 workers to return to the office full time over the 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:02.320 next three years. 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:04.960 Darren, do you think the. 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.600 Days of flexible working arrangements that we saw really kick 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.640 off during the pandemic are now coming to an end 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:16.120 that buses are starting to demand people return to the office. 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.600 I think that when there's a team approach to problem 0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:25.040 solving in the workplace, having everybody at work shoulders to 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.040 the wheel. They can find each other quickly rather than 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:31.600 relying on when an email bon't be returned. I think 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.840 that it does make sense that people are in the 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:37.200 same workplace. But equally, if you do similar work to 0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:40.319 what I do, which is a consultancy, I don't need 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.839 an office and I can keep my costs lower by 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:46.359 working from home and being in the cities I need 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.400 to be on an ongoing basis, but my work is 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.439 a little bit unique. But for those workplaces that rely 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.239 on people working together all of the time, we're going 0:44:56.320 --> 0:45:00.400 to see more and more people being a blig to 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.640 come back to work. There will be incentives to do so. 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:04.600 But I think that we're going to see a return 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:06.640 to normal in the next couple of years. 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.480 I think, particularly in the public service Gary, there's a 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.760 lot of resistance to coming back to the office. 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.200 Yeah, what a pain actually have to get dressed go 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.759 to work, you know, I mean, but Darren is right, 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.760 I mean the interaction thing, the social skills, the things 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.520 that people lose by them not actually being in the 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:28.960 same workplace. And you know, for a couple of years 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.600 there during COVID, I never went to the Sky office 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.319 in Sydney, and I'm in Brisbane and I actually went 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.240 down and met people I've been working with for years, Shari, 0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:40.240 So I got it. I understood it, and the idea 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.759 of actually being in a workplace. Like Darren, I do 0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:44.640 a lot of my work over the mobile phone and 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.319 through zoom zoom meetings, so the mass the meetings. But 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:51.239 I love being back in workplaces. I love interacting with 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.480 you know, good people in workplaces, and it's really important 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:56.280 that people don't lose those skills. 0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:56.640 Really important. 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.440 I think there's advantages and disadvantages to both. And it 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.120 can be very very lonely working from home. But on 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.000 the other hand, if you're a mum, the flexible working 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.360 arrangements mean that you can get. 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:08.120 Back to work sooner. 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:12.040 Now Victorian taxpayers are coughing up more than two hundred 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.440 million dollars to get out of hosting the twenty twenty 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.879 six comm Games, and Scotland is laughing all the way 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.680 to the bag. Scoring not only a free games but 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:25.120 all of the economic advantages that come with it. 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:27.799 Darren God this is one of the biggest. 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:31.040 Stuff ups by the Daniel Andrews fom of government, isn't it. 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:33.360 I've got to say these are stuff up. There's no 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:34.520 two ways about that. That. 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:35.280 Look. 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.200 I suspect that the contracts that they signed, I don't 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.320 think Victoria would have had the option of doing a 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.439 watered down games in the way that Gladsgow is likely 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:47.359 to do. I think it would have been an all 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:51.759 in and a very very expensive all in. But equally, 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.280 if you sign the dotted line, you have to follow 0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:55.360 through on what you've signed. 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:56.880 Yeah, I agree. 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.560 Look, they're going to have to work quickly though, Gary 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:02.480 to get ready for just less than two years. 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.840 Yeah, but it's going to be only thirteen events. Apparently 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:08.360 I don't know where the lawn bowls is in it, 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:10.600 so maybe the Northfolk Island team won't been. 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:11.560 Coming over there. 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.759 But you know, people in Brisbane are actually saying the 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.120 twenty thirty two Olympics is going to cost too much, 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:17.120 so we should cancel it. 0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:19.520 No way, you don't want this reputation. 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.360 You want to be the country that delivers on sporting 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.760 and I'm so shattered. I mean, being thirty eight percent Scottish. 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:29.520 I'm delighted for the Glaswegians, but I gotta say I 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:33.080 am shattered that Melbourne mucked it up like this so badly. 0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.279 Daniel Andrews, hang your head in Shane. 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:36.440 It is embarrassing. 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:38.920 Look as long as there's no break dancing at the 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.800 Common Games and I think Australia will be fine. 0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:43.799 Now, can I just. 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:47.640 Say, very quickly I I covered the lawn bowls for 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:51.080 AAP the two thousand and six Melbourne Commonwealth Games and 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:53.440 it was wonderful. I'm sure I've never had a bit 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:53.759 of time. 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:54.359 Yeah, there you. 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:59.399 Go, ribthing, I go very quickly before we go. Speculation 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.080 is ramping up, of course, over what the Labor government 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:05.880 is going to do, whether it preferences the Greens at 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:07.200 the next election or not. 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:08.360 Gary. 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.759 How can the Prime Minister stand up every day and 0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:14.400 attack the Greens but still preference the party. 0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:18.359 Well he was into our ear back in the mid 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:21.800 nineties when Darren was still in the media gallery. But 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.319 I was in the Parliament and let me tell you, 0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:27.279 he was into our ear, telling us he wanted the 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.680 Greens to go last to save his bacon in his electorates. 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:33.080 So I think we just need the nineteen ninety eight 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:36.320 version of albow back, because the Greens are really bad news. 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.840 They are destroying Australia. They are destroying Australia before our 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.520 very eyes, and Labour should not be cowtelling to them, 0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:44.759 they should not be letting them into the game. So 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:47.480 preference them last. The Liberals do the same, and we 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:48.960 might clean Australia up a bit. 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:51.200 Ten seconds, Darren will. 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.800 Whether or not whether or not they preferenced them last. 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.160 A really cautionary tale at the weekend was local government 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:01.560 elections in Waverley, where the Liberals now have complete control 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.759 of that council and a big part of the reason 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:05.680 is because Labor preferenced the Greens. 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:08.520 All right, we're out of time. Thank you both, gentlemen. 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.480 I'll see you on Monday at eight o'clock. Here's poor Marie.