Speaker 1: Susanne Armstrong was found with something like twenty six I
Speaker 1: think stab wounds and her friend Susan Bartlett was found
Speaker 1: with more than fifty stab wounds. It was obviously a
Speaker 1: frenzied killing and the killer had obviously gone crazy with
Speaker 1: a large bladed knife. There it is the first big
Speaker 1: break in a double murder that has haunted Australia and
Speaker 1: particularly Victoria, particularly Melbourne for forty seven years. I'm Andrew Rule.
Speaker 1: This is Life and Crimes. As we sit here recording
Speaker 1: this podcast, it is just five days since one of
Speaker 1: Australia's biggest ever crime stories took a dramatic new twist. That,
Speaker 1: of course, is the Easy Street cold case. Easy Street
Speaker 1: is well known to probably all our listeners, particularly if
Speaker 1: they are over a certain age. Happened in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Two young women living in a rented house in Collingwood
Speaker 1: in Easy Street, Collingwood were stabbed to death one night
Speaker 1: in January nineteen seventy seven. In fact, it was the
Speaker 1: night of January the tenth, which I think was a Monday.
Speaker 1: It was hot weather. It was a very hot summer.
Speaker 1: The two sus as they were known, they were old
Speaker 1: friends from the Banella, Euroa area they'd grown up in
Speaker 1: the country. One was Suzanne Armstrong, Little Sue as people
Speaker 1: called hers. She was the smaller and darker of the pear,
Speaker 1: and the other one was Big Sue. That was Susan Bartlett,
Speaker 1: who actually was a teacher, a secondary school teacher, formerly
Speaker 1: at Broadford High School north of Melbourne, but at this time,
Speaker 1: at the time of her murder, she was a teacher
Speaker 1: at Collingwood High They hadn't been in the house very long.
Speaker 1: They'd only been in there a matter of weeks. Suzanne
Speaker 1: Armstrong had been away for a couple of years. These
Speaker 1: girls were in their late twenties I think twenty seven
Speaker 1: one twenty eight, similar age. Susan Armstrong had spent a
Speaker 1: fair bit of time overseas, I think up to something
Speaker 1: like two years, and in that trip she had stayed
Speaker 1: in Greece, and she had stayed for quite a while,
Speaker 1: many months on the Greek island of Naxos, and there
Speaker 1: she had formed a relationship with a handsome young fisherman
Speaker 1: and she planned to marry that guy, and they bought
Speaker 1: rings and did all that sort of stuff. And one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that they planned to marry was that
Speaker 1: Susan Armstrong had become pregnant with her little boy, Gregory,
Speaker 1: and Gregory was born in Greece, in I think at Naxos,
Speaker 1: but certainly in Greece. But there were great difficulties for
Speaker 1: Susan Armstrong arranging to marry a Greek national priests were
Speaker 1: a problem, and the authorities were a problem with citizenship
Speaker 1: papers and all sorts of things. And in the end
Speaker 1: Suzanne thought it was all too hard, and she said
Speaker 1: to her fiance or the father of her baby boy,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go home for a while and we'll
Speaker 1: meet up later and we might be able to get
Speaker 1: married later on. I'm not sure if she meant in
Speaker 1: Australia or in Greece, but the reality was she came
Speaker 1: home to Melbourne and moved into her house in Collingwood
Speaker 1: with her little boy and with her old friend, her
Speaker 1: old school friend, Susan Bartlett. And so that is the
Speaker 1: background to this story. It's an interesting bit of background
Speaker 1: Suzanne Armstrong's trip to Greece and her relationship with a
Speaker 1: Greek fellow, because, as it turns out, forty seven years later,
Speaker 1: there is a Greek connection. Probably by chance, you would think,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything sinister about that. The big
Speaker 1: news as we record this podcast is of course that
Speaker 1: a week ago authorities in Rome in Italy arrested on
Speaker 1: behalf of the Australian police a Greek national called Perry
Speaker 1: Korumblis now Perry Korumbliss is a dual citizen. He lived
Speaker 1: in Australia in Melbourne as a young man, as a
Speaker 1: child and a young man before moving back to Greece
Speaker 1: where he apparently he and his brother one of his
Speaker 1: brothers looked after or lived with their aged parents. And
Speaker 1: this is an interesting set of events and a set
Speaker 1: of events that will be discussed and pulled apart, probably
Speaker 1: in a court of law, about the reasons for Perry
Speaker 1: going back to Greece. It's tempting to say that no
Speaker 1: one had ever heard of Perry Karumblis until this week,
Speaker 1: but the reality is that he had been heard of
Speaker 1: because back in nineteen seventy seven, after these two young
Speaker 1: women were murdered after their bodies were found butchered in
Speaker 1: their house in Collingwood, after Suzanne Armstrong was found with
Speaker 1: something like twenty six I think stab wounds and her
Speaker 1: friend Susan Bartlett was found with more than fifty stab wounds.
Speaker 1: It was obviously a frenzied killing, and the killer had
Speaker 1: obviously gone crazy with a large bladed knife. Looking back
Speaker 1: over all these years, we think, oh, well, the police
Speaker 1: never really came up with anybody or anything to do
Speaker 1: with this murder. Well, in a sense, that's true. But
Speaker 1: of course at the time of the murder and in
Speaker 1: the days and weeks after the murders, the police were
Speaker 1: looking very hard for anybody who might throw some light
Speaker 1: on it, and there were a lot of names thrown around.
Speaker 1: There would have been people giving anonymous hips and dobbing
Speaker 1: in the guy down the road or the guy that
Speaker 1: looked funny at the train station or whatever. As often
Speaker 1: happens with high profile murders, it's not so much a
Speaker 1: case of police not getting enough information from the public
Speaker 1: or enough tip offs. They get too many. They get
Speaker 1: swamped with stuff, most of which is obviously white noise.
Speaker 1: It's just assumptions and speculations and rumors and gossip and
Speaker 1: all the rest of it. And now, in that period,
Speaker 1: and this is only a matter of about a week
Speaker 1: after those murders, a young guy from Collingwood known by
Speaker 1: the local police as a naughty boy. He had a
Speaker 1: bit of form and was one of the young fellas
Speaker 1: that Collingwood police kept an eye on. This young bloke
Speaker 1: was pulled up in a car by a young uniform
Speaker 1: policeman and that young uniform policeman was called Ron Iddle's
Speaker 1: and of course ron Itodles would later become well known
Speaker 1: in Melbourne and in Victoria as a homicide squad detective.
Speaker 1: But at this stage he's a very young copper in uniform.
Speaker 1: But he was always pretty keen and on the ball.
Speaker 1: And he saw this young Greeg bloke, Perry Krumblis, driving
Speaker 1: around and he pulled him up, as you know coppers do.
Speaker 1: And he pulled this guy up and said where you're going, Perry,
Speaker 1: and what are you up to? And can you give
Speaker 1: me the case to the boot? And he happens a
Speaker 1: boot and he checks the boot, which is what good
Speaker 1: police work is all about. Right down. You know who
Speaker 1: you pulled over, what they're driving, all the details and
Speaker 1: searched the car. See what's in there? Is there a
Speaker 1: body in the boot, Is there a weapon? Is there
Speaker 1: stolen goods? It's routine stuff in the boot. There is
Speaker 1: a large bladed knife in a leather scabbard. It seemed
Speaker 1: that there might have been a trace of blood still
Speaker 1: on it somewhere. But anyway, the young Ron Eddles, who
Speaker 1: is of course a copper in uniform and very junior,
Speaker 1: all he can really do with it is hand the
Speaker 1: young fellow's name, Perry Karumbliss real name, real first name,
Speaker 1: will be rather more involved than Perry. It might be
Speaker 1: Pericles possibly, or Periclart's. But he can hand the name
Speaker 1: and date of birth and address to the homicide squad
Speaker 1: along with the knife, which is what he did. And
Speaker 1: so this fellow, Perry Karumblis, his name goes on a
Speaker 1: list along with a lot of other names, essentially for
Speaker 1: the homicide squad to look at. Now I understand, I
Speaker 1: think this to be true, but I can't prove it.
Speaker 1: But I understand that Perry Karumblis was picked up in
Speaker 1: the subsequent days by the homicide squad and he was
Speaker 1: questioned very intensely and intensively and robustly, as happened back
Speaker 1: in those days, and he was asked about his movements
Speaker 1: on the night of the murder and what he was
Speaker 1: up to. And you know, how come he's going around
Speaker 1: with a knife and the boot and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. His story then, and his story to Ron Iddall's,
Speaker 1: his story to the homicide squad, and no doubt his
Speaker 1: story today and tomorrow and next week and next month
Speaker 1: and next year when he appears in court in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: is that he found the knife. It wasn't his knife
Speaker 1: that he picked it up. Oh, someone near the railway tracks,
Speaker 1: something to do with the footpath that leads over the
Speaker 1: Punt Road in those days from one side of Collingwood
Speaker 1: over to the Victoria Park side, and that it looked
Speaker 1: as if somebody had tossed it out and left it there,
Speaker 1: and he found it and put it in the boot
Speaker 1: of his car because he wasn't one to waste a
Speaker 1: good knife sort of thing. Now, that was his story
Speaker 1: and apparently he was sticking to it. That's fine. But
Speaker 1: when the inquest comes around. In those days, in quests
Speaker 1: came up a bit sooner than they do now. So
Speaker 1: these young women were killed in January. Their inquest is
Speaker 1: in July of the same year, so it's only six
Speaker 1: months later. And when that inquest comes up in front
Speaker 1: of mister Pasco sm the name of Perry Karumblis, he's raised.
Speaker 1: He's raised as one of presumably several people who would
Speaker 1: be of some interest to check out whether they had
Speaker 1: questions to answer. Now, from looking at the files and
Speaker 1: looking at the contemporary stories, it would appear that Perry
Speaker 1: Karumblus did not appear at the coroner's inquest, and it
Speaker 1: would appear that the police version of this is though
Speaker 1: he's gone into smoke, he's disappeared so effectively the authorities
Speaker 1: at that time did not consider him sufficiently of interest
Speaker 1: as a potential murder suspect to pursue him then, and
Speaker 1: to some extent, Perry Crumblas was written out of this
Speaker 1: case back in nineteen seventy seven for reasons that I
Speaker 1: don't fully understand, except probably this that in the end
Speaker 1: they didn't have anything to go on except he had
Speaker 1: been pulled up with a knife in the boot. Well,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be the only fellow in Collingwood with a knife,
Speaker 1: honor about his person, And in those days before DNA,
Speaker 1: this is you know, we're talking two decades before DNA
Speaker 1: became a real thing, they had no real way of
Speaker 1: connecting that knife with any particular offense, and so his
Speaker 1: name just lapsed into the void, along with others Also,
Speaker 1: I have to say, I think the police became pretty
Speaker 1: keen on the idea, and this is only natural, pretty
Speaker 1: keen on the idea that most murders are close the home,
Speaker 1: that most murders are committed by somebody well known to
Speaker 1: the victims, and eight out of ten times that is true.
Speaker 1: And the police had a small gas board of potential
Speaker 1: persons of interest to look at her were a bit
Speaker 1: closer to home than Perry Kurumblas, such as Susanne Armstrong's
Speaker 1: new boyfriend who was a shearer called Barry Woodard from
Speaker 1: Euroa Way, and Barry's brother Henry, and a string of
Speaker 1: other people who had known either or both of those
Speaker 1: young women, you know, former boyfriend's, former friends, visitors that
Speaker 1: had dropped in there and so on. And the police
Speaker 1: had several names. Indeed, they ended up with a shortlist
Speaker 1: of eight names, which they were pretty keen on. And
Speaker 1: I think the police formed the view early on that
Speaker 1: the killer is one of our shortlist of eight and
Speaker 1: they didn't really look further than that. And what happened
Speaker 1: here was that when DNA, which was science fiction back
Speaker 1: in the seventies, when DNA became a usable investigative tool,
Speaker 1: in the nineties, they said hooray for DNA and they
Speaker 1: got their short list of eight suspects, and they rattled
Speaker 1: around Victoria and Australia and even sent detectives to England
Speaker 1: to interview one fellow to get DNA samples to match
Speaker 1: up against the sample that they had. And the sample
Speaker 1: they had was taken from on or near Susan Armstrong's body.
Speaker 1: Susann Armstrong, not to put too fine a point on it,
Speaker 1: had been raped, probably after her death, and so there
Speaker 1: was a seaman sample that the police could they did
Speaker 1: save and was able to be used for DNA purposes
Speaker 1: more than twenty years later. And so armed with this,
Speaker 1: the police had detectives going around testing their short list
Speaker 1: of eight people. Long story short, they didn't get a hit.
Speaker 1: None of these matched up, and so there they were
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, what twenty one years after the murders,
Speaker 1: without a feather to fly with, they tested their no result. Now,
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, which it's not. In a perfect world,
Speaker 1: you'd think they'd expand the list and look further. They'd
Speaker 1: go wider ripples, ever, widening circle of suspects, and you
Speaker 1: would think they would have looked through whatever records they had,
Speaker 1: which I think were sketchy, but they did exist. From
Speaker 1: the file there at all file which was a pretty
Speaker 1: small file on the murder, but also contemporary logbooks and
Speaker 1: running sheets of the local police around Collingwood, Fitzroy, Carlton,
Speaker 1: the inner suburbs, to see who else was around and about,
Speaker 1: and you know, who was related, who was a friend,
Speaker 1: who was a friend of a friend, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: the neighbors, the people that lived in the street, who
Speaker 1: was you know, the guy working on the roof two
Speaker 1: doors down, who was the brick layer laying bricks one
Speaker 1: hundred meters away? All those things that did not happen.
Speaker 1: That did not happen in the nineties, It did not
Speaker 1: happen in the next ten years. It wasn't until around
Speaker 1: something like two thousand and sixteen or thereabouts that the
Speaker 1: homicide squad or the crime department had one of its
Speaker 1: periodic bursts of housekeeping and decided that they should review
Speaker 1: some of their outstanding cold cases. And the Easy Street
Speaker 1: case was handed to a detective to review, and that
Speaker 1: detective carefully went through the files and through all those
Speaker 1: things I said, presumably the running sheets and all the
Speaker 1: rest of it and was able to compile a long list. Now,
Speaker 1: this long list I think was something like forty one
Speaker 1: dead people and about ninety live ones, so the total
Speaker 1: list was one hundred and thirty one. And even with
Speaker 1: dead people, they could get DNA samples from relatives, close
Speaker 1: relatives of the dead person of interest. So if Joe
Speaker 1: Blogs is a person of interest, he's dead, we get
Speaker 1: his brother or his son or somebody like that and
Speaker 1: test that person. If they're still alive, you test the
Speaker 1: suspect you love, the one you're with. And that is
Speaker 1: what they did. And so in around twenty sixteen and
Speaker 1: seventeen police went around and they slowly ticked off the
Speaker 1: list ninety live, forty one dead. Test here, test here,
Speaker 1: test here, asking people to you know, little saliva test
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. Well, that's fine, of course. The
Speaker 1: good thing about asking people for a DNA sample is
Speaker 1: that anybody that refuses you becomes instantly more interesting. Their
Speaker 1: reaction becomes interesting. If they've got absolutely nothing to hide,
Speaker 1: their relax, They don't care. They just do it, except
Speaker 1: for some cranks who just are against it non principle,
Speaker 1: of course, But most people, if they're innocent, they just
Speaker 1: hand it over and that's that. But if you run
Speaker 1: against someone who gets nervy and twitchy and defensive and
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it straight away, they become the
Speaker 1: targets of more intensive investigation. And one of the people
Speaker 1: on the list was I'll mate Perry Karumblis. This is
Speaker 1: in twenty and seventeen in Melbourne and Perry Karumblis at
Speaker 1: this stage is about fifty nine years old. He's a wiry,
Speaker 1: reasonably fit looking, half tough looking bloke who works in
Speaker 1: the wrought iron business. I think he had his own
Speaker 1: business out at dandy On. I think he'd probably been
Speaker 1: living around Bulleen. It's for a large part of the
Speaker 1: intervening decades, and I think after he's misspent youth, he'd
Speaker 1: stayed out of trouble apparently for the intervening years and
Speaker 1: was a relatively hard working bloke. I think he might
Speaker 1: have had a bit of an interesting motorbikes and that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. Certainly he had a couple of brothers
Speaker 1: that other people got to know. One was called Andy,
Speaker 1: his real name, of course in the Greek was Andreas,
Speaker 1: and he had another brother who's called Tony, who still
Speaker 1: lives in Melbourne. I think he might have an antique
Speaker 1: store or something like that. So these brothers were living
Speaker 1: along in Melbourne. Their parents had returned to Greece. Now
Speaker 1: this is intriguing and interesting. It's not necessarily damning, but
Speaker 1: it is intriguing. To be fair, A lot of people
Speaker 1: who migrated from Greece to Australia and to Canada after
Speaker 1: spending x twenty years, twenty five years, whatever working in
Speaker 1: their new country, saved up money and qualified for pensions
Speaker 1: in some cases and superannuation, whatever it might be, and
Speaker 1: they moved back to their home country, to Greece. Because
Speaker 1: back there often they would have inherited a cheap property
Speaker 1: in a village somewhere where they could go back to.
Speaker 1: It would cost them nothing or next to it, and
Speaker 1: the money that they could take back with them from
Speaker 1: Australia or Canada set them up pretty well in Greece.
Speaker 1: And I know this is true because I know traveling
Speaker 1: in Greece in the eighties and more recently, it was
Speaker 1: common to find people, even in out of the way places,
Speaker 1: who said, oh, you're Australian, how's Collingwood going? And you know,
Speaker 1: I used to have a holden when I worked in
Speaker 1: Melbourne and all this stuff. It was a big thing.
Speaker 1: Every village had repatriated locals who had worked for many
Speaker 1: years in Australia and in Canada. And so the fact
Speaker 1: that Perry Crumblus's parents had gone back to Greece was
Speaker 1: not in itself that significant or that suspicious. But the
Speaker 1: timing of it is interesting because in July of nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy seven, the inquest, as we said, was held into
Speaker 1: the deaths of the two sous Armstrong and Bartlap. That
Speaker 1: same month, the Karumblis family that has seen them, mister
Speaker 1: and missus, they sell their house in Bendigo Street in Collingwood.
Speaker 1: They move out of Collingwood and they disappear from the
Speaker 1: electoral role and apparently they go back to Greece. Now
Speaker 1: whether they went back to Greece, you know, in that
Speaker 1: July or was that year or whatever, but they got
Speaker 1: rid of their house in Collingwood and they left. Now,
Speaker 1: this is the same month when their son is named,
Speaker 1: their son, Perry is named in newspaper reports and other
Speaker 1: things as a person of interest or a witness or
Speaker 1: whatever in this terrible murder case. And looking back on
Speaker 1: it with the wisdom of hindsight, it does appear that
Speaker 1: they might have wanted to not be around for too
Speaker 1: much longer. It might have just prompted them to act
Speaker 1: on an impulse to go home anyway, And so they did.
Speaker 1: And it's true that their son Andreas Andy went back
Speaker 1: over there with them, and we should not read anything
Speaker 1: into that, because you know, he just went back to
Speaker 1: the land of his birth with his parents and they
Speaker 1: lived happily. Ever after. Perry did not go back. Perry
Speaker 1: stayed working in Australia his other brother Tony, until the
Speaker 1: police came knocking in twenty seventeen saying any chance of
Speaker 1: a DNA test. Apparently, and we have to be careful here,
Speaker 1: it would appear that he wasn't happy to provide a
Speaker 1: DNA test, And it would appear that he left Australia
Speaker 1: soon afterwards, saying he was going back to Greece for
Speaker 1: a holiday. Well, that was fine. He went to Greece
Speaker 1: for holiday, which he may well have done every second
Speaker 1: year for years. But he did not return from Greece
Speaker 1: after his holiday. The other holidays that he may well
Speaker 1: have taken, he'd stay there for three weeks or six
Speaker 1: weeks or whatever and come back. Not this time. He
Speaker 1: stayed there. Now that intrigued the police a lot. And
Speaker 1: we know it intrigued the police a lot because some
Speaker 1: six or seven years ago when that happened, there was
Speaker 1: a small leak, probably from homicide squad or from perhaps
Speaker 1: lawyers associated with extradition matters. It doesn't matter who, but
Speaker 1: someone somewhere leaked something back then, because what we know
Speaker 1: is that a former lawyer well known around Melbourne, very
Speaker 1: well known around Melbourne. His former lawyer went along and
Speaker 1: boozy lunch sometime around that time in twenty seventeen. And
Speaker 1: after that nunch he came out and he made a
Speaker 1: phone call to a friend of his who was a
Speaker 1: crime reporter, and he told that person he said, they're
Speaker 1: looking at someone over Easy Street. You know, they're looking
Speaker 1: at somebody. Was suggested it, and that reporter contacted the
Speaker 1: homicide squad and said, this is leaked. You know it's leaking.
Speaker 1: You better tell me what it's all about, and I'll
Speaker 1: keep it under my hat. I have to say, I
Speaker 1: am not that reporter with someone else, And the homicide
Speaker 1: squad obviously had its hand forced a little bit and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's right, we are looking at somebody. But you
Speaker 1: just have to keep it quiet, because that's the way
Speaker 1: it is. We just have to wait our chance. And
Speaker 1: for more than six years they waited their chance. And
Speaker 1: what they mean by that is that the Greek laws
Speaker 1: are such that you just can't send Australian police into
Speaker 1: Greece to extract a Greek citizen, which is what Perry
Speaker 1: Karumblis was. He was a dual citizen, but as a
Speaker 1: Greek citizen, he had certain rights as a Greek citizen.
Speaker 1: I don't think he could be arrested for an alleged
Speaker 1: crime that have been committed more than something like twenty
Speaker 1: years earlier. I have read various versions of this, but
Speaker 1: would appear that if it was more than twenty years,
Speaker 1: they don't act on it. So the Australian police were
Speaker 1: hobbled by the Greek laws, and they realized that they
Speaker 1: had to sit quietly and say nothing and do nothing
Speaker 1: and alarm no one and hope that Perry Krumblis one
Speaker 1: day grew complacent enough to travel outside Greece to somewhere
Speaker 1: that had an extradition treaty with Australia. And so the
Speaker 1: Australian police circulated around the world what can be called
Speaker 1: an Interpol wanted notice, and that meant that if this
Speaker 1: man Kurumblis, traveled outside Greece, that his presence would automatically
Speaker 1: be flagged when his passport went through another country's border.
Speaker 1: And that's what happened last week. As we're sitting here,
Speaker 1: last week in late September, he is arrested at the
Speaker 1: main airport in Rome because he was obviously attempting to
Speaker 1: cross the border. He's either just flown in. I presume
Speaker 1: he'd just flown into Rome, or perhaps he was just
Speaker 1: flying out, doesn't matter which. They grabbed him. They contacted
Speaker 1: the Australian police and there it is the first big
Speaker 1: break in a double murder that has haunted Australia and
Speaker 1: particularly Victoria and particularly Melbourne for forty seven years. Now.
Speaker 1: We must emphasize that this is not solved. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no proof that this man did these murders. It's
Speaker 1: just that this is the first actual arrest over these murders.
Speaker 1: And for the first time the friends and family, the
Speaker 1: few that are left of the dead women have actually
Speaker 1: seen some action from the authorities, because before this, for
Speaker 1: effectively a lifetime, there's just been in this appalling silence.
Speaker 1: It appears that whoever did it just walked out on
Speaker 1: the street and vanished. And so we're left now to
Speaker 1: wait until Perry Columbus returns to Australia. The latest news
Speaker 1: is that he's willing to be extradited. He's not going
Speaker 1: to fight extradition. Apparently that's probably wise in some respects,
Speaker 1: because he might have been advised that ultimately extradition will happen,
Speaker 1: and that it might be more comfortable for him to
Speaker 1: let it happen, you know, sooner rather than later. Because
Speaker 1: I imagine that the Regina Colely pronunciation is difficult. But
Speaker 1: Regina Coaling Prison in Rome is not a good place
Speaker 1: or a nice place to be. It'll be crowded, it'll
Speaker 1: be dirty, it'll be nasty, there'll be a lot of
Speaker 1: bad people there. He's not even you know, he's not
Speaker 1: in Greece, where he would know people or be able
Speaker 1: to speak the language and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: In Rome, he would have no pool, he'd have no advantages,
Speaker 1: and he might have some disadvantages. It would probably seem
Speaker 1: to him and to his family and to his lawyers
Speaker 1: that he would be better off back in Australia in
Speaker 1: the relative security and comfort of the remand in Melbourne
Speaker 1: to face the next episode of this unfolding story. In fact,
Speaker 1: I suppose it's conceivable that if he put up enough money,
Speaker 1: enough collateral, that he might even be able to get bail.
Speaker 1: But I imagine that would only be if he could
Speaker 1: put up millions of dollars of property or whatever, which
Speaker 1: will be forfeited if he didn't appear. And so at
Speaker 1: this point we're waiting for him to get back, and
Speaker 1: then we're waiting to see how soon it is that
Speaker 1: the wheels of justice turn for Perry Karumblus, the accused
Speaker 1: in the haunting case of the Easy Street murders. How
Speaker 1: rusted on listeners will know that we've mentioned Easy Street before,
Speaker 1: and they're right. There is that episode the Horror at
Speaker 1: Easy Street. There's also returning to Easy Street where we
Speaker 1: spoke to the author Helen Thomas about her book which
Speaker 1: is called Murder on Easy Street. And we also spoke
Speaker 1: to Helen Thomas another time about a separate but linked
Speaker 1: story in some ways, and that is Searching for Julianne.
Speaker 1: That is about the murder of Julianne Garcia Salai in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. They're all available on your podcast feed.
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