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Speaker 1: Welcome to first things First, I'm brook Blotting. My pronouns are.
Speaker 4: She and her, I Maddie Miles.
Speaker 2: My pronouns are he and him. And before we get started,
Speaker 2: we'd like to acknowledge the custodiums of the land of
Speaker 2: which we record and for us both it is the
Speaker 2: getting coal people of the urination.
Speaker 3: Yes, we've got a really exciting episode ahead. Let's get
Speaker 3: into it.
Speaker 5: Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, my god, I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I'm already. I'm already.
Speaker 4: I am fucking.
Speaker 2: Thrilled that Luke and Sassy Scott are on our pod.
Speaker 6: What the fuck.
Speaker 1: I feel like sas is Scott now is just like
Speaker 1: it like, it's not Scott, It's it's Sassy Scott.
Speaker 7: Should we start into it straight away? So I got
Speaker 7: introduced to them. They're like, hello, mister Scott, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 7: I'm looking. They're like, yeah, but you soon named Scott.
Speaker 6: I think his name Sassy Scott.
Speaker 3: That is hilarious.
Speaker 4: That is amazing.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about like where you grew up.
Speaker 2: You grew up in you know, a bit of a
Speaker 2: rough suburb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where did you guys grow up?
Speaker 8: So we grew up in a place called mill Park
Speaker 8: here in Melbourne. I kind of say that Milpark is
Speaker 8: and everyone that lives there.
Speaker 4: Probably like fucking hates me.
Speaker 8: But then again, I am going to one day, like
Speaker 8: like take it to a petition to have like a
Speaker 8: really dodgy, ugly statue made of me and Luke and
Speaker 8: put it up at the local shops there.
Speaker 4: It will happen one day.
Speaker 5: But mild chopped off.
Speaker 4: And drew on the forehead. It's home.
Speaker 8: Mom and dad still lived there, half my best friends
Speaker 8: and everyone still lives there.
Speaker 4: But you know, I say, once you get out, you
Speaker 4: don't go back.
Speaker 2: When I go home to my community, right, like in
Speaker 2: Cold al Tenworth, it's the rough, it's the wrong side
Speaker 2: of the tracks, it's the Black Fellow community. My family
Speaker 2: all still lived there. But back in the day, I
Speaker 2: used to find that I wasn't scared or I didn't
Speaker 2: feel unsafe. But now that I like am not like
Speaker 2: there all the time. When I go back, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm locking the doors, like I feel a little bit
Speaker 2: like have I like just come too far over here
Speaker 2: to like not like feel safe anymore. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is, but you know, when you're from there
Speaker 2: and you're living there, it's a different thing. You walk
Speaker 2: around the streets, you don't care. It's like the middle
Speaker 2: of the night, who cares. But now when I go back,
Speaker 2: I'm very cautious.
Speaker 4: Is that like park you walk home in the middle
Speaker 4: of the road.
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, that's yeah, that's what you did, so then
Speaker 8: you had more time to run if somebody kind of
Speaker 8: jumped out of you.
Speaker 5: But Luke and I had it so confused. I've never
Speaker 5: left the house.
Speaker 4: What I didn't walk on the foot path.
Speaker 8: But Luke wise and very different people obviously, but was
Speaker 8: a fucking nerd and he never left the house.
Speaker 4: Because he was so scared of I guess the stories
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 7: Tell the vow my personality was what education Scotts was
Speaker 7: very different.
Speaker 2: So before like you guys went viral on social media
Speaker 2: for your incredible dynamic as brothers, what was your relationship
Speaker 2: like before that?
Speaker 6: Was it always like this?
Speaker 5: No, I feel like the family's always been like that.
Speaker 7: The only difference is we see a lot more of
Speaker 7: each other, which is infuriating us now. But our relationship
Speaker 7: hasn't changed. But he ever said I love you, Timmy.
Speaker 7: Why would I give it a crack?
Speaker 3: Give it a crack, just say it?
Speaker 8: Luke and I I I'm like a bit of a
Speaker 8: dance monkey, like I love to entertain.
Speaker 4: It's like a natural thing inside of me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And Luke used to and still does, is able
Speaker 8: to bring out certain sides of me.
Speaker 4: Right, and we would be bored.
Speaker 8: And I don't really want to go there because I
Speaker 8: don't want to talk about it and I don't want
Speaker 8: him to be leaked online.
Speaker 5: From now, I've got them all in private.
Speaker 8: We used to have a private YouTube account before YouTube
Speaker 8: and that was anything. I would have been like fifteen
Speaker 8: years old old something, right, and Luke used to go, hey,
Speaker 8: Delta Gooderms come out with a new song. Why don't
Speaker 8: you pretend to be her biggest fan and react to
Speaker 8: her film clip?
Speaker 6: I can still here it's sitting on top of.
Speaker 4: The so he'd record me.
Speaker 8: I'd react and I'd be crying and I'd be jumping,
Speaker 8: and I'd be like, oh my god, it's amazing. And
Speaker 8: now as a thirty eight year old man, I'm like,
Speaker 8: if those videos ever get fucking leaked, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Where are they here in the archives.
Speaker 5: Sitting on top waiting on the work.
Speaker 2: Can I just say that wasn't that long ago, maybe
Speaker 2: like ten years ago.
Speaker 8: That's what it would have been. So our whole entire life,
Speaker 8: we've always been doing this. So it's just so bizarre
Speaker 8: that when it took off and it's still doing it,
Speaker 8: we haven't changed with the world around us kind of has.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I love your content. I've always loved it from the start,
Speaker 3: and I still do.
Speaker 1: Like I know when Luke gets under your skin, Scott,
Speaker 1: because that's the same feeling I get from my brothers,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, ah, but it's so funny to watch
Speaker 1: because it's like, I don't.
Speaker 8: Know sibling relationships is a universal language.
Speaker 4: So you know, we've got people from Peru that message us.
Speaker 8: Right even at the start, we had people that were
Speaker 8: in bunkers in the Ukraine when the war started breaking
Speaker 8: out that were like saying, thank you so much for
Speaker 8: entertaining our family whilst we're going through this, and it
Speaker 8: just we've learned that our dynamic, the way we speak
Speaker 8: to one another and the way we engage, like we.
Speaker 5: Understand it's so toxic before.
Speaker 7: Sibling relationships is somewhat okay, and everyone approuves like, yeah,
Speaker 7: if I spoke.
Speaker 8: To anybody else away, I talk to Luke right, like
Speaker 8: call fucking DHS or the cops, right.
Speaker 6: But because I do, and they say stop calling with.
Speaker 8: Her, it's a brother it's encouraged and it's so accepted,
Speaker 8: and we say it says more about the people that
Speaker 8: follow us, and it does us.
Speaker 2: But it's like a glimpse into like what what's happening
Speaker 2: in our own worlds, you know, but you're sharing it
Speaker 2: with the world. But look, I want to ask, like,
Speaker 2: when you think about, you know, pulling a prank on Scott,
Speaker 2: is it is it just like an idea that comes
Speaker 2: to mine that I'm going to go with it or
Speaker 2: do you ever run things past each other before the fact, I.
Speaker 7: Haven't really done too many pranks for a while, right,
Speaker 7: But when I was really going hard on him, no
Speaker 7: not happening.
Speaker 4: What is that stuck to my fucking cap?
Speaker 7: My day?
Speaker 5: But I care get up.
Speaker 7: I had a kid, You're not an exile spreadsheet where
Speaker 7: one day I reckon. I sat there for two hours
Speaker 7: and wrote. So nearly every video you've seen I probably
Speaker 7: wrote in that two hour period, and I've still got
Speaker 7: probably there's probably like fifty still on the list that
Speaker 7: I never got to. And I just would constantly then
Speaker 7: manifest that in my head, like what it would look like,
Speaker 7: how I would go about it. So each idea would
Speaker 7: just have like the title, but I would know like
Speaker 7: how I would do it exactly before going in.
Speaker 8: And what a lot of people don't know is Luke
Speaker 8: would like, grim me o.
Speaker 4: Your work, like before he would do and a prank.
Speaker 8: He would pour out orange juice and leave it spilt
Speaker 8: on the kitchen bench and go to work, and I.
Speaker 4: Would wake up and I'd be like, the fuck's.
Speaker 8: This guy done? And so he would just be intentionally
Speaker 8: getting under my skin and being intentional with everything he's
Speaker 8: doing around me that by the time he did one
Speaker 8: of these pranks, I was fucking ready to start throwing punches,
Speaker 8: Like you know.
Speaker 7: The thing I always like had as my motto as well,
Speaker 7: like that to be like if you even if you
Speaker 7: go back. They're very basic pranks, like it would be
Speaker 7: like put a wet towel on the couch, like stuff
Speaker 7: you would do growing up that you would piss your
Speaker 7: parents off, that it would work for Scott. So it's
Speaker 7: never anything this big elaborate thing. It was just knowing
Speaker 7: you just pop off at me and.
Speaker 3: Scott, have you ever got Luke good.
Speaker 5: Comes with intelligence?
Speaker 4: Do you know what I haven't not yet?
Speaker 7: I would die like I go quiet, like me reacting
Speaker 7: to something with me and shiit video.
Speaker 6: I'll just go mute.
Speaker 4: Litter things Luke gets.
Speaker 8: Luke gets quite embarrassed easily, and he gets really clammy
Speaker 8: And right now, mynds, Luke just looks at me and
Speaker 8: gives me like a death stare, like help, help, help.
Speaker 8: And there's a big EmPATH in me that when people
Speaker 8: need help or support, I just fucking I charge in.
Speaker 8: So I need to like kind of unlearn in myself
Speaker 8: that when Luke is looking at me for help one
Speaker 8: day and it's like on the global stage, that's my
Speaker 8: moment to go. No, I'm watch him, just buckle.
Speaker 1: What's something that people don't really know about you guys?
Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing that probably people don't know
Speaker 8: And I'm gonna, I'm gonna to go with this on.
Speaker 8: We have somebody that works with us who we have
Speaker 8: brought in as our HR and comms consultant. This person
Speaker 8: helps be mine and Luke's buffer of how we talk
Speaker 8: to each other and how we talk to other people.
Speaker 5: So next time you want to call Scott and yality, maybe.
Speaker 4: Call me first.
Speaker 8: And you know, because you know, we've become a business,
Speaker 8: it's become a company. We've both left our full time
Speaker 8: roles for this and we're very fortunate.
Speaker 4: We're aware of it.
Speaker 8: And you don't fucking miss your target when you get
Speaker 8: one shot, right, So we have really taken this on.
Speaker 8: It's unexpected, but we're not missing our shot. And so
Speaker 8: Luke and I and our relationship with each other and
Speaker 8: others around us sometimes has taken.
Speaker 4: A really big strain. And you know, my previous career, you.
Speaker 8: Got consultants or experts in to do their job to
Speaker 8: help your business or team grow better. So we've brought
Speaker 8: somebody in that's actually the buffer between Luke and I.
Speaker 8: They helped me and him kind of communicate with one
Speaker 8: another when shit's really hit in the fucking fan, but
Speaker 8: then also with other people around us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well it is a business, right, and I
Speaker 1: think you know, yeah, you guys did get sort of
Speaker 1: thrusted into this world. And then if you didn't have
Speaker 1: any intentions of like it it being your full time job,
Speaker 1: be like, oh shit, okay, because I felt like also
Speaker 1: making that leap of becoming like a full time creator
Speaker 1: was scary.
Speaker 3: You have to kind of treat it like a business.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's fine if you're doing it by yourself,
Speaker 1: but when you're so close to someone and it's business
Speaker 1: and also your you know, your personal relationship, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can imagine that that'd be fucking tricky.
Speaker 4: To that Nabitka.
Speaker 7: That was a hard thing to accept as well, Like
Speaker 7: when it was all blowing up and then seeing it
Speaker 7: as potential of business one day and I don't even
Speaker 7: know who it was who pushed that harder. At the time,
Speaker 7: I knew the accounts were getting big, but I still
Speaker 7: didn't ever think when they did get big, that we
Speaker 7: would be working for this full time.
Speaker 8: So look only left his role this year. He's full
Speaker 8: time role. I left mine December last year. We were
Speaker 8: one part delusional in going, oh, this isn't really happening.
Speaker 4: We're not really getting paid to just be ourselves right, Like,
Speaker 4: this is bizarre.
Speaker 8: And we also held onto our roles for a sense
Speaker 8: of belonging, a sense of normality, because when you've got
Speaker 8: fucking A listers or you know, some of the organizations
Speaker 8: and brands that wanted to work with us, Lenna, this
Speaker 8: is fucking crazy, right, So I'm like, I've got to
Speaker 8: go to my nine to five job just so I
Speaker 8: can keep my feet on the ground.
Speaker 2: It's a big leap of faith to be able to like, actually,
Speaker 2: you know, take on a content creation role as a
Speaker 2: full time thing. But you're one of the most successful
Speaker 2: like content creators and duos in the country, if not,
Speaker 2: you know, in the world. Do you have aspirations for
Speaker 2: international stuff?
Speaker 1: We just did a tour, right, don't tell me about
Speaker 1: the tour because I want to know how it came
Speaker 1: about and where did you go and how did you
Speaker 1: fucking deal with I could not go on stage in
Speaker 1: all these different towns, Like I would absolutely shit myself.
Speaker 5: I still don't even know how to explain it. It
Speaker 5: wasn't yeah, how did you deal with it?
Speaker 3: I mean you say that you're quiet.
Speaker 4: Look, was a fucking radiographer before this.
Speaker 8: He was working in a hospital like like bodies MRI.
Speaker 7: In the End or emergency ct I figure is it
Speaker 7: called emergency of the TV show on.
Speaker 5: Channel nine on pop up on there every now and then?
Speaker 6: Like, look, what are you doing on this like thing?
Speaker 7: It was like paid actors and I'm like, it's my jolly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doing a live show.
Speaker 7: So we're signed with the Mushroom Group, which then is
Speaker 7: very much affiliated with live touring, mainly of music acts.
Speaker 7: And then it was pitched to us to do this
Speaker 7: live show and I'm like, you know what, why not?
Speaker 7: Like I'm kind of throwing everything at the wall right now.
Speaker 7: Whatever sticks is kind of cool. At the moment, Scott
Speaker 7: was just about to have twins and I'm strategic.
Speaker 8: As fuck, and I'm like, this doesn't fall within the
Speaker 8: strategy at the moment. It's too much to take on.
Speaker 8: I knew what it would what it would require.
Speaker 5: I was like, fuck the strategy let's do it.
Speaker 6: Let's just go. And then planning starts.
Speaker 7: We get a show writer involved and she's starting pitching,
Speaker 7: like what the story, what the show should look like?
Speaker 7: Shout out to Nikki Brittin. But then the first show, I'm.
Speaker 5: Out there like just looking at Scott going so I'm
Speaker 5: a radiographer.
Speaker 6: What the fuck am I doing up here?
Speaker 8: And we wrote this show. It took us probably about
Speaker 8: once I accepted that would do it. It took us
Speaker 8: about ten weeks to ride it, to build it, and
Speaker 8: then quite some time to really kind of rehearse it,
Speaker 8: step it through, block it out whatever, right, And the
Speaker 8: first night in Sydney was so fucking buckwild at the
Speaker 8: Nmore Theater.
Speaker 2: Like all the theater is such an iconic venue, iconic
Speaker 2: first show, What am I doing?
Speaker 8: People were screaming, I fucking love you, right, and I said,
Speaker 8: shut up, we got to fucking shout it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 8: Then I say this joke about because Luke has this
Speaker 8: medical background. I said something like, you know, Luke will
Speaker 8: pull out he's little microscopic dick and swing it around
Speaker 8: this theater and try and win some of you over
Speaker 8: with his medical terminology. Well then a quarter of the audience,
Speaker 8: because let's say I've got the other three quarters start screaming,
Speaker 8: show us your dick, show us your.
Speaker 6: Dick, and I'm clammy as fuck at this day.
Speaker 8: Book freaks out and he just stops and looks at
Speaker 8: me and he goes, I'm a radiographer, like He's.
Speaker 4: Like, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 8: This anyway, and then we did the show and it
Speaker 8: was incredible, and then we rolled it out around the
Speaker 8: rest of the country. It was for us in the industry,
Speaker 8: a moment for us to possibly say to you know,
Speaker 8: call it radio, TV and live artists, that we have
Speaker 8: what it takes. You know, people looked at us just
Speaker 8: like TikTokers and then we became Facebook as you know.
Speaker 8: But I respect and appreciate the arts and entertainment industry
Speaker 8: and I know that there's certain work you need to
Speaker 8: put in, and the live show was just the next
Speaker 8: step of, I think, proving to ourselves that we've got
Speaker 8: what it takes and it is.
Speaker 7: It was a good challenge as well, because everything we do,
Speaker 7: from podcasting to online content, even when we do our lives,
Speaker 7: you have an engagement from the audience, but nothing in
Speaker 7: front of you actually giving you the feedback there and
Speaker 7: then so it was so new and quite challenging, but
Speaker 7: we both enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: What I loved is that you Mob like actually put
Speaker 2: on First Nations artists in each town. You know where
Speaker 2: you went as you're opening. You Hadza Poorer, you had
Speaker 2: the brother Boys from Perth, Stubs Brothers, Age, the Stubbs Brothers.
Speaker 2: I had this conversation. I don't know if you remember this, Scott,
Speaker 2: but I came up to I think it the last
Speaker 2: I think it was the TikTok Awards, maybe last year,
Speaker 2: and I said to you, I said, I really appreciate
Speaker 2: the fact that like you champion First Nations voices and
Speaker 2: use your platform to amplify their voices. Right, So I
Speaker 2: saw that you were doing this on your tour and
Speaker 2: it just brings so much pride to us when we
Speaker 2: see people with big platforms elevate our community. Why was
Speaker 2: that important for you, Mob?
Speaker 8: It makes me emotional talking about it because I remember
Speaker 8: when the Plebacite happened, and listen, I've always been a
Speaker 8: supporter of First Nations, Aboriginal torystrade on other people always happen, right,
Speaker 8: especially women of color and people that I guess have
Speaker 8: just had to fucking work harder in this world than
Speaker 8: somebody else based on the way they were born.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 8: I remember when the plebiscite happened. I was calling friends
Speaker 8: and family. Then I started to call random numbers in
Speaker 8: the phone book to see to try and gauge whether
Speaker 8: or not it was going to be a yes or no,
Speaker 8: because I really wanted the ES vote right and I
Speaker 8: wanted to marry the love of my life. And I
Speaker 8: soon realized there just weren't enough gay people to get
Speaker 8: the numbers to get the vote across the line, and
Speaker 8: that that I had to turn it to the Allies,
Speaker 8: and I had to try and tell my story to
Speaker 8: as many friends and family who could try and get
Speaker 8: it out there to get the numbers up as allies.
Speaker 8: So then when I saw how Allies were able to
Speaker 8: get me something that I truly deserved and I wanted
Speaker 8: and meant so much to me, which was marriage equality,
Speaker 8: it just made so much sense that then it was
Speaker 8: my turn to be an ally because Allies really helped me.
Speaker 8: And I can look at so many different groups in
Speaker 8: our communities and society and I'm like, hang on, it's
Speaker 8: really easy to lend your voice to somebody else because
Speaker 8: it doesn't actually fucking affect you, it affix them. And
Speaker 8: if there's a collective group of people that are asking
Speaker 8: for one thing and it doesn't fucking affect your life,
Speaker 8: most likely you know, it's very easy for you to
Speaker 8: end up for it or buy them. And so you know,
Speaker 8: Aboriginal Torrestate I only to people I think fascinate me
Speaker 8: more than fucking us boring us white folk right because
Speaker 8: they've just got this history and culture.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what Australia's.
Speaker 9: Culture, like what my culture is as an O'Halleran, I
Speaker 9: don't know what our culture is, but I'm so fascinated
Speaker 9: by Aboriginal torrest state Iland a culture of such beautiful.
Speaker 8: Long, rich history and connection to to land and spirit
Speaker 8: and to one another. So it just made so much
Speaker 8: sense for us to lend our.
Speaker 1: Voice so much that actually warms That's just powerful shit.
Speaker 1: But like rocked me like a little bit because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want all of my friends and people to talk
Speaker 1: the way that Scott does about our community and what
Speaker 1: they want for us.
Speaker 3: Isn't that fucking insane? Like thank you Scott, Thank you Luke.
Speaker 3: I know you were.
Speaker 5: Quiet on that stage but for me, I love Aboriginal people.
Speaker 7: Scott and I've spoken about this in the past, is
Speaker 7: like I can have the same beliefs as him, but
Speaker 7: I don't have the ability to abolition, to put the
Speaker 7: sentences together. And I feel like so many creators are
Speaker 7: probably in the same corner as me, and they get
Speaker 7: called out to speak on so many topics where sometimes
Speaker 7: I'm lucky that I have Scott in my corner to
Speaker 7: be able to meet to just film him and say
Speaker 7: it like me posting it.
Speaker 5: I feel like my truth and my words as well, I.
Speaker 8: Lean into what is really uncomfortable right, and I always
Speaker 8: have right.
Speaker 4: And that was the little brawler in me.
Speaker 8: I used to lean into like something that didn't feel
Speaker 8: or seem right, and I've since been able to flip
Speaker 8: that around and lean into like being curious about it
Speaker 8: and lean into it.
Speaker 4: Whereas I do know and.
Speaker 8: See a lot of people are just scared to offend first,
Speaker 8: but curiosity kind of like can overarch that, and if
Speaker 8: you're curious, you're not being judgment correct and you can
Speaker 8: find out so much.
Speaker 1: He says that Ted Lasso, He goes, you know, the
Speaker 1: best thing is to be curious because it leaves without.
Speaker 3: Judgment, and when you have judgment, you just assume.
Speaker 1: And when you assume, you close off yourself from all
Speaker 1: of these other opportunities to know something or know someone.
Speaker 1: Isn't that yeah, that's yeah, I agree with you. There's
Speaker 1: Scott like being curious. Is that there's such a beauty
Speaker 1: in that like Whereas.
Speaker 5: I've been always so scared to offend.
Speaker 7: So I find myself in conversations with Scott and he's
Speaker 7: asking questions, I'm like, oh, fuck, he really does.
Speaker 6: Looking for a camera recorded.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about your beautiful twins.
Speaker 1: We talk about you quite a bit, actually, about this
Speaker 1: journey because it means a lot to Maddie to see
Speaker 1: it does.
Speaker 2: I just feel very inspired by your journey and I've
Speaker 2: always wanted to be a doubt. It's my big stream
Speaker 2: of my life, you know, And I feel like it's
Speaker 2: so important to me that I get emotional about it
Speaker 2: because I feel like it's the one thing in my
Speaker 2: life that I really want for me. It's always been
Speaker 2: that and it will come when it's you know, when
Speaker 2: it's time, and I'm on that journey to prepare for
Speaker 2: that moment. But I want to talk about your like
Speaker 2: surrogacy journey, if that's all right, And of course what
Speaker 2: did that journey entail for you?
Speaker 8: So I always wanted to be your dad, and I
Speaker 8: always really appreciated and respected family. However, because I was
Speaker 8: in the closet, I always really struggle.
Speaker 4: With my identity.
Speaker 8: And the one reason why I came out in the
Speaker 8: end the age of twenty four was because I couldn't
Speaker 8: live lying to myself anymore.
Speaker 4: But in that decision, I accepted that I would never be.
Speaker 8: A dad, right, And then you know, soon realized and understood.
Speaker 8: You know, when we got marriage equality and you see
Speaker 8: that people around you accept you, you can kind of
Speaker 8: start really looking more within right.
Speaker 4: And then you know, I met Marcus on Grinder and
Speaker 4: we have the real true love story there.
Speaker 8: And Marcus and I both had very similar family man values.
Speaker 8: We both wanted to be dads, the same as you, Maddie. Right, Like,
Speaker 8: we had this dream and we reached out to a
Speaker 8: gay couple online that had had a child, and we said, hey,
Speaker 8: you know, we would love to start a family. What
Speaker 8: do you suggest and they said, every journey to parenthood's different,
Speaker 8: good luck, and we thought, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: And you know this.
Speaker 2: Well, like we thought you wanted the threesome.
Speaker 8: They you know, I think you know, Marcus, I lived
Speaker 8: by it. Now, you can't be what you can't see.
Speaker 8: And we reached out to them because we didn't know
Speaker 8: where to go and what to do and how to start.
Speaker 8: And so Marcus and I for ourselves had to start
Speaker 8: from the very start because there was no one to
Speaker 8: go for us, you know, for two gay men here
Speaker 8: in Australia.
Speaker 4: This is who to go and speak to. This is
Speaker 4: where your journey begins.
Speaker 8: And so it started a six year journey of us
Speaker 8: becoming dads and it was it was pretty full on
Speaker 8: and there.
Speaker 4: Was a lot. There was a lot over those six.
Speaker 8: Years, you know, for us to really understand, accept investigate.
Speaker 4: There was so many decisions and you know.
Speaker 8: Roadblocks along the way, including abortion laws in Texas after
Speaker 8: we had signed a surrogacy contract in Texas. You know,
Speaker 8: but then you know, you take on the risk of
Speaker 8: you know, fertility with women. Women are incredible fucking human beings,
Speaker 8: especially mothers or women that are pregnant, and you know,
Speaker 8: then to find out that if you know, one of
Speaker 8: our babies or both of them had taken and there
Speaker 8: was you know, any issues with pregnancy, they weren't allowed
Speaker 8: to abort them, and in Texas otherwise you know their
Speaker 8: husband was going to go to jail and family and anyway.
Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy. There was a lot.
Speaker 8: There was a lot for us to factor in. It
Speaker 8: took us six years. We've had to consider so much
Speaker 8: to bring these boys into the world. Every step along
Speaker 8: the way was it was intentional. It wasn't like a
Speaker 8: hetero couple that you know, plan to have a baby,
Speaker 8: get locked up and have a baby, and nine months fucking.
Speaker 4: Flies and they go, holy shit, what do we do now?
Speaker 8: It's here, right, And then you've got to figure out
Speaker 8: still your relationship with one another, and then with the baby,
Speaker 8: and then every other factory and everything else the factor
Speaker 8: and we had six years to consider a lot. So
Speaker 8: by the time the boys came, it feels like it's
Speaker 8: the most easiest job or role in my life. Wow,
Speaker 8: I've never been happier in who I am. I love
Speaker 8: being a dad, I love the boys. It just feels
Speaker 8: so right, I said to my therapist a few weeks ago.
Speaker 8: Being a dad of twins is the easiest thing in
Speaker 8: my life. And we've got a lot of fucking shit
Speaker 8: going on in our life, right, and people love.
Speaker 4: To doom and gloom parenting.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it surprises us and we think it's because
Speaker 8: maybe they didn't get as much time to really consider
Speaker 8: whether they wanted to be a parent or not. Yeah,
Speaker 8: whereas Marcus and I had six years to really consider it.
Speaker 4: Because that's how long it tooks.
Speaker 3: Can you adopt me?
Speaker 5: I think one of the most it wasn't living their book.
Speaker 2: I think one of the most beautiful things about being
Speaker 2: a gay like parent or a dad is that the consideration.
Speaker 2: It's like we really choose, like heatero couple. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: it's not by choice, it's that it happens, and then
Speaker 2: you bring the baby into the world and everything just
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, flows on. But as a gay dad,
Speaker 2: I really have to want and consider and choose to
Speaker 2: bring you into the.
Speaker 3: World and reflect and you know, you have so much time.
Speaker 8: It's so intentional, right, yes it is, And there's so
Speaker 8: many moments for you to go I'm out, Yeah, this
Speaker 8: is too by what we had to do our estate
Speaker 8: planning and ride our wills before we even created embryos
Speaker 8: and sent sperm. Right, so you really have to stop
Speaker 8: and think every step along the way like, hang on,
Speaker 8: this is real?
Speaker 4: Do I want this or not?
Speaker 8: Whereas you know, it feels like it's the complete opposite
Speaker 8: for people. So yeah, we we love it and we
Speaker 8: are big believers in you can't be what you can't see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's my favorite.
Speaker 8: The only gay people I knew growing up was Will
Speaker 8: and Jack from Will and Grace, And I used to think,
Speaker 8: there's no fuck away.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be a lawyer in New York, So
Speaker 4: where do I belong? How to work?
Speaker 8: Like there's nothing like me out there? And so now
Speaker 8: why I'm so cool it and apologetically myself, It's because
Speaker 8: I just know that there's a little Scott out there that.
Speaker 4: Can look up and go fuck. I can have a job,
Speaker 4: I can have my own.
Speaker 8: Belief system, I can have a partner, children house, I can.
Speaker 4: Have what I want.
Speaker 2: I want to like talk about something that is like
Speaker 2: a bit fucking out of this world, which is how
Speaker 2: the fuck Like do you reflect on your journey and
Speaker 2: go I've met Selena Gomes, Katie Perry, the Osbourne's, Like
Speaker 2: you're interacting with these A listers, Like how does how
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 4: Confuse Luke a radiographer? Like how do I go. I
Speaker 4: feel so weird.
Speaker 5: Still, it is very weird.
Speaker 7: But the thing that I surprised myself with with all
Speaker 7: of it is that I find myself very present, which
Speaker 7: I never if I was to go back five years
Speaker 7: ago and say you'll be meeting these people having these experiences,
Speaker 7: you truly won't. I don't think i'd be present. I remember,
Speaker 7: like a random celebrity in like in count I probably
Speaker 7: had five years ago where I'd meet someone and I'd
Speaker 7: freak out and be really weird and like it was
Speaker 7: very strange. But it's it's nice that when you meet
Speaker 7: these people, they're also very interested in you, so you're
Speaker 7: getting the questions back on their end, and it does
Speaker 7: feel like you do belong. And these people that we
Speaker 7: have met, we've been fortunate enough that we've met so
Speaker 7: many people that do make you feel like you belong
Speaker 7: in that room and you feel comfortable and you forget
Speaker 7: of this that as you forget of all the accomplishments
Speaker 7: they've had in their lives and they're just having.
Speaker 5: A fun chat with this person in front of you.
Speaker 8: I think the beautiful thing that we can say about
Speaker 8: like these A fucking listers that we're men right and
Speaker 8: like attracts like, right, So we're not going to get
Speaker 8: somebody that's inauthentic around us in our circle because I
Speaker 8: guess they know that our energy would.
Speaker 4: Rip that to shreds in authenticity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 8: So the most fascinating thing is, and we'll talk about Selena,
Speaker 8: how vulnerable she is as a human being and how
Speaker 8: open she is with having all these types of parts
Speaker 8: to her that make her who she is, and she's
Speaker 8: vulnerable and honest with it, and that just it quickly
Speaker 8: disarms you, right and takes all the nerves away because
Speaker 8: you see a bit of yourself and this person or
Speaker 8: you see this human being just being a person trying
Speaker 8: their best to do Oh my god, fucking life more.
Speaker 4: Present than me. She's believable once am M and M.
Speaker 6: So the first thing she said to me, you're not.
Speaker 2: The most amazing thing when you connect with someone and
Speaker 2: you know they're locked into you, locked you know, doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what's happening here, especially in a room of a
Speaker 2: busy crowd, and you have a conversation with someone and
Speaker 2: when you're both locked in, that feeling of connection is
Speaker 2: happening on match.
Speaker 1: I had this fucking moment with Danny Minoak at the
Speaker 1: basketball and it was insane, like she would not let
Speaker 1: me go, and I think myself, so I couldn't even imagine.
Speaker 8: Like, we we get to l a once and Sharon
Speaker 8: Osborne textler can said come around. We know it's Father's
Speaker 8: Day tomorrow, but come around tomorrow, and the sitting with a.
Speaker 7: Number and address and stuff and like, oh god, Scott.
Speaker 8: And then sure that that morning we wake up and
Speaker 8: Sharon says, listen, Ossie wasn't well or there was and
Speaker 8: there was something else that Sharon had to go and do.
Speaker 8: So Father's Day lunch at the Osborne's was off. But
Speaker 8: then Cally messages She's like fuck that. She's like, fuck mom,
Speaker 8: fuck dad. Come to my house. Right, So we're like,
Speaker 8: what's going on. We're involved in a family group chat.
Speaker 8: We go around at Callie's house, right.
Speaker 4: And we walk in.
Speaker 8: I'm like hi, and she's been calling us her like
Speaker 8: Ozzie Brothers online and stuff like that. It's the first
Speaker 8: time we've met her. And we sit down on the
Speaker 8: couch and my mum.
Speaker 5: Was sent a video to Sharon before we went over, like.
Speaker 4: Look after my boys in LA and Sharon's like, I've
Speaker 4: got him don't worry, right Cally from where did you live?
Speaker 4: Literally and China or whatever it is they call it.
Speaker 8: And CALLI and us two and her beautiful son Sydney
Speaker 8: just hung out like the whole afternoon and we just we.
Speaker 5: Were like falling asleep on the couch.
Speaker 6: And I've got Easter eggs in the and if you
Speaker 6: want to.
Speaker 8: So the fascinating thing about her house, y, I ate
Speaker 8: all the fascinating thing about her house was no.
Speaker 4: We were the first visitors that she'd ever had in
Speaker 4: her house.
Speaker 8: And I was like, bitch, we could be crazy, asked motherfuckers,
Speaker 8: and she's like, that's why you're hear. She's like Mom
Speaker 8: messaged and said, invite the boys to your house and like,
Speaker 8: I'm sorry I can't make it, but just I want
Speaker 8: you to sense check whether they are the real deal
Speaker 8: or not. Are they really the boys that come across
Speaker 8: to be And she's like, so, Mom and Dad haven't
Speaker 8: even been here. And then she was just like telling
Speaker 8: us about like family arguments, like really sensitive information because
Speaker 8: she just felt so comfortable around.
Speaker 4: Us, which was kind of really cool. And since.
Speaker 8: Since that, she messages us a lot that Osborne's are
Speaker 8: still well, I'm very entrenched in who we are now
Speaker 8: because they support us, and Kelly's kind of like a
Speaker 8: sis now to us, it's weird.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 6: Is she quirky as fuck?
Speaker 4: Like she's really chilling?
Speaker 5: She was really chill chill, which that's what surprised me about.
Speaker 8: But she said so, She's said to me that it's
Speaker 8: it's motherhood. Like that's really kind of like balanced her
Speaker 8: right out. Becoming a mom, you know, has helped her
Speaker 8: find her identity, you know, with Sydney her son, and yeah,
Speaker 8: she found a really lovely partner.
Speaker 4: Seeing her partner, he's really called to from slipknot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's weird.
Speaker 7: We took a photo with him, and I remember one
Speaker 7: of like a few of our followers are like like
Speaker 7: the crossover w never you would get slipknot.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I want to say, like there's so many
Speaker 2: like people that you would get having interactions with you
Speaker 2: that that have you on that platform or that pedestal
Speaker 2: of celebrity.
Speaker 6: Right, what is that like for you?
Speaker 2: When you get people stop you in the street or
Speaker 2: you know, you're out having dinner and someone goes, oh
Speaker 2: my god, it's YouTube, Like what does that feel like?
Speaker 7: I feel a lot of people majority that we live
Speaker 7: in a life now that we put these videos up,
Speaker 7: and I do go the reach is really far, Like
Speaker 7: I'm not going to be blind to that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Still very like what fifty million people are.
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Fifty people like it?
Speaker 5: I really paid two thousand for the views this time, Scott.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: But the people come up and dare I say, it'd
Speaker 7: be very much like reality TV maybe back in the day,
Speaker 7: say like Big Brother, Like we're in these people's homes
Speaker 7: all the time on their phones that we're feeling maybe
Speaker 7: more like family and friends. So I don't always know
Speaker 7: if we have that real big star power to a
Speaker 7: lot of people, but it's enough that people probably have
Speaker 7: that chip on their shoulder coming off that they feel
Speaker 7: like they can come and talk to us quite easily.
Speaker 7: So we do find a lot of people coming up
Speaker 7: to us talking to us a lot and opening up
Speaker 7: about things, or whereas I could be very awkward, I'm like,
Speaker 7: oh god, another conversation, we e's experience something.
Speaker 8: That's because we're family, right, So people bring stories to
Speaker 8: us that is so sensitive, and it's because we remind
Speaker 8: them of a sibling or a cousin or a family
Speaker 8: member maybe that they've lost or that's gone through a
Speaker 8: hard time or something, and it was so overwhelming for
Speaker 8: quite some.
Speaker 5: Time there, and that's something you never trained for. No,
Speaker 5: we will, radiologist, wake up, I've got no heart.
Speaker 7: After working in a hospital for seven years, that's sad
Speaker 7: to hear.
Speaker 8: I would I would wake up and I would be
Speaker 8: really distraught some of the stories. So you know, we
Speaker 8: don't experience touch wood much negativity or hate, but the
Speaker 8: stories that I remember, all the comments that I remember
Speaker 8: are those of severe loss or hardship, and my heart
Speaker 8: can just instantly break for a person sometimes when they
Speaker 8: when they share something with us, and it's so overwhelming
Speaker 8: sometimes to go home and hear some of these stories
Speaker 8: and I'm in this perfect bubble compared to what that
Speaker 8: person's going through. I just I feel really unbalanced sometimes
Speaker 8: and the justice in it. I just feel like it's
Speaker 8: so unfair what some people are experiencing in the world
Speaker 8: when we've got all this positivity around us, and I
Speaker 8: just want to fucking bottle it up and give it
Speaker 8: to some people.
Speaker 4: Sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, I mean that's what people get from you though,
Speaker 2: That's what you do, you know, Like, I think that's
Speaker 2: Your impact is that you make people laugh. You give
Speaker 2: them that sense of joy even when they are going
Speaker 2: through a hard time. I think that's your superpower, both
Speaker 2: of you, and I think that, like as a duo
Speaker 2: that we never knew we needed before we met you,
Speaker 2: But now we're so grateful that.
Speaker 4: They can't get rid of us. That algorithm loves us.
Speaker 2: The algorithm loves you, The world loves you. We love you,
Speaker 2: and we so appreciate you, know you coming on our
Speaker 2: pod and spending time.
Speaker 4: With us today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been so nice to get to know you
Speaker 1: guys on more of a personal level.
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, I think you know you guys you're speaking
Speaker 8: to You can't be what you can't see you are,
Speaker 8: you know, doing that?
Speaker 4: You are the epitome of that.
Speaker 8: And you know I will always land you know, my voice,
Speaker 8: and of drag Luke along whenever he fucking likes or not,
Speaker 8: you know, as an ally, you know, for the whole
Speaker 8: mob and community. However we can show up, you know,
Speaker 8: let us know, right like, that's that curiosity in me.
Speaker 8: Let me know what else you guys need from us,
Speaker 8: because we are here all the fucking time, and you know,
Speaker 8: thank you. It means a lot, and.
Speaker 6: It's the one thing that we are.
Speaker 5: We are very intentional.
Speaker 7: Like we have had a lot of travel around Australia
Speaker 7: and meeting mob all across Australia and learning something I've
Speaker 7: probably been so naive to my whole life, but it's
Speaker 7: been so beautiful to learn about culture.
Speaker 5: In this country.
Speaker 7: And it's it's something that we are so proud about
Speaker 7: to put the fist up, to do what we can
Speaker 7: to post, to just be seen as an.
Speaker 5: Ally, to be a friend. It means a lot to
Speaker 5: us and to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: The synergy of this moment right now is a Lease Cooper.
Speaker 4: She was out.
Speaker 2: She's the person who brought this pod to life in
Speaker 2: the beginning. She was our first producer and now you
Speaker 2: know she works with these mopsy.
Speaker 5: He's our producer.
Speaker 3: Hilarious. I love her egghead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but thank you so much for coming on and
Speaker 2: thank you everyone for listening. That's but that's all we
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