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Speaker 1: Doctor John to call. Welcome to the podcast, and it

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Speaker 1: is Tokel, not techal Paul.

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Speaker 2: You've got it right. Most people who first come across

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Speaker 2: me mispronounce my name, and if I'm called doctor Tickle,

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Speaker 2: it really doesn't work because I used to be a guynecologist.

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Speaker 1: Kel Rhymell, gotcha. So tell me this, when did you

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Speaker 1: first become a doctor?

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Speaker 2: I graduated as a medical practitioner from the Melbourne University

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Speaker 2: back in the nineteen sixties, and it took me two

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Speaker 2: years of residency at the Royal Melbourne and another suburban

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Speaker 2: hospital to graduate supposedly as a general practitioner. I think

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Speaker 2: they're called gps now yep. And after ten years handing

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Speaker 2: out value and antidepressants, I started to wonder why I

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Speaker 2: was becoming a social worker because medicine moved on and

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Speaker 2: if somebody came in with a saw toe and you'd

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Speaker 2: give them some opot or something or an aspirin, they'd say,

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Speaker 2: but you know you were specialist in saw toes, and

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Speaker 2: then so you'd send them to a sore toe specialist.

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Speaker 2: And then you start wondering why you didn't do the

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Speaker 2: extra five years of studying to become something specialist, you know,

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Speaker 2: a nose specialist or two you know what. And anyway,

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Speaker 2: then I saw something on screen about a guy at

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Speaker 2: the back of LA who was doing health seminars about

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Speaker 2: non drug therapy. So I took a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: off and jumped on a thing called a remember pan

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Speaker 2: am oh ah, yeah, yeah. I think they were the

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Speaker 2: first US airline ever to come to Australia. And I

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Speaker 2: s h one t. When the plane took off, I thought,

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Speaker 2: were We're going to die? Because anyway, we got there

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Speaker 2: to this guy as he was in his late eighties,

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Speaker 2: and he started talking about plant medicines and I'm wondering,

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Speaker 2: you know, why the hell am I here, because we've

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Speaker 2: got all these drugs and prescriptions now and all those

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Speaker 2: days he had me I didn't cross the fence. I

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Speaker 2: sat on top of the fence and said maybe. And

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Speaker 2: then I started the computer stuff at night and I googled.

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Speaker 2: He used the word integrated medicine. Oh yes, And then

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Speaker 2: I stumbled across what are now probably called the blue zones.

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Speaker 2: Paul heard of the wor zones.

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Speaker 1: I certainly have.

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Speaker 2: So I visited the big island the Okinawa off the

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Speaker 2: southern and Japan, and I visited the island Sardinia in

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Speaker 2: the Mediterranean, and then the Greek island of Vikaria. And

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Speaker 2: I started to eat a little bit differently, and I

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. But then one day I was diagnosed.

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Speaker 2: I had a seizure on an aeroplane between Sydney and Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: and I was unconscious and I woke up in an

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Speaker 2: ambulance being whizzed with the sirens and lights and whistles

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Speaker 2: and things to a big hospital. And the ambulance paramedic

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Speaker 2: was saying, have you got epilepsy? And I said no.

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Speaker 2: He said, well, you just had a seizure on an aeroplane.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the sound of this. So I got

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Speaker 2: into the emergency and they took scans and everything. Resident

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Speaker 2: doctor came in and said, Doc, he said, I think

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Speaker 2: He said, you might have brain cancer and I said,

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Speaker 2: He said, we do a bioposy. We drill a hole

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Speaker 2: He said, anyway, I wake up out of the other

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Speaker 2: surgeon there. And then I said what did you find?

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Speaker 2: And he said, we didn't find a brain cancer. We

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Speaker 2: found five jumping Jesus. So that afternoon the oncologist he

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Speaker 2: was a male Asian guy and he had been studying

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Speaker 2: moved in science, Like there's a thing called immunotherapy. He said,

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Speaker 2: fairly well. It was a new found technology. What year

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Speaker 2: was this, John say, it was February the eleventh, twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: He said, you know I'm an expert and that's your

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Speaker 2: So I scribbled my name there pretty quick quickly, and

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Speaker 2: then I started. It was really interesting. The wife brought

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Speaker 2: want books, she said, read This. One was called It's

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Speaker 2: Not About the Bike, which was written Gone Einstein. Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 2: And at that stage he hadn't come out and he's

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Speaker 2: now survived eighteen years since his brain cancer. He was

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Speaker 2: probably on different drugs of what I was on. And

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Speaker 2: the other book was the Okinawan Centenarian Study. Oh yes, Now,

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Speaker 2: this is the longest peer of viewed study ever done

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Speaker 2: it was done by a model of Japanese doctors American doctors,

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Speaker 2: peer reviewed by the Mayo Clinic, et cetera. And it

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Speaker 2: showed me that the basic human being we have an

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Speaker 2: immune system. Paul the obviously you know all about that.

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Speaker 2: And you have an immune system when you slide down

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Speaker 2: the birth canal. That's innate, that's with you when you're born.

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Speaker 2: But you can change your immune system. I'm convinced for

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Speaker 2: that because it's really interesting. As we age, we get

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Speaker 2: a weaker and weaker immune system. Yes, we sit in

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Speaker 2: our ars and don't walk around the block, and we

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Speaker 2: eat crap food. I mean, I think you use the

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Speaker 2: word crap in your last system. Well, crap is an

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Speaker 2: whole grades and it's fascinating when you go to a

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Speaker 2: work out what it actually means. Now, in terms of diabetes,

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Speaker 2: this sense. The year two thousand, Australia's population has increased

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Speaker 2: fifty percent. Our diabetes has increased three hundred percent. It's tripled.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty right.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a new diabetic now every five minutes,

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Speaker 2: because of our oval, you know. I mean people say

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Speaker 2: you can't call kids fat, but we've got the most overweight,

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Speaker 2: fifth most overweight kids in the OECD countries on this planet, right,

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Speaker 2: and then you start to say, were why because they're

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Speaker 2: an active Paul, When you're a little kid, did you

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was kicked out of the house until to

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Speaker 2: Why now? But now the kids are on their fans

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Speaker 1: So, John, there's a maid of mine, professor Grant Schofield,

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Speaker 1: who's been on this. He's a public health professor, and

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Speaker 1: he did a study showing that when when we work.

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid, which is after you were

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Speaker 1: Now the average kid roams on average between six and

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Speaker 2: It's not. And I don't know whether this is going

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Speaker 2: to surprise you, Paul. That might surprise some viewers. If

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Speaker 2: you compare the deaths last week in Australia, the road

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Speaker 2: Breast cancer, even though if you getting in stage one

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Speaker 2: it's ninety two five years survival still nine women to

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Speaker 1: Jesus right and John the I think the thing a

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Speaker 1: it is one of the precursors to Alzheimer's disease and

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Speaker 1: other forms of dementia. And ten years ago Alzheimer's disease

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Speaker 1: John? I just had a flashback as you were talking

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Speaker 2: the his Human interference for all Number one in nutrition

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Speaker 1: Man, I know that, But do you know if you

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Speaker 2: Let's let's take something I don't know maccus ever heard

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Speaker 2: of macus. They cut spuds into forty slices, increase the

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Speaker 1: Can say whatever you want on this podcast. There's no

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Speaker 2: Okay. So fast food is if you seek food because

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Speaker 1: Somebody followed them up thirty years later, so they're now

434
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Speaker 1: in their fifties, and they blot them in and they

435
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Speaker 1: imaged their hearts and did the testing on them, and

436
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: it turns out that few weeks of bad rest created

437
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: more damage for fitness and heart function than thirty years

438
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Speaker 1: of aging.

439
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Speaker 2: Well that was done I believe by doctor Kenneth Couper

440
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Speaker 2: of the Dallas Aerobics Institute. Ah.

441
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the Cooper Institute are different, right.

442
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I I met and met doctor Kenneth Cooper

443
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: way back when he wrote his book The Aerobics Institute,

444
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: And that study has been replicated now and that's a fact,

445
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: and that's why if you have one hundred and thirty

446
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: thousand Australians have a hipp or knee done every year.

447
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: And now in the old days they used to keep

448
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: them in bed for two weeks, but now they get

449
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: people up the next day. That's right, the move, So

450
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. See what I tell people is at

451
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: the age of twenty five, the majority of Australians and

452
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: Americans and people in the UK lose approximately one percent

453
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: of their muscle bulk, efficiency and strength every year. Not

454
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Speaker 2: much so when you're fifty five you've lost thirty percent

455
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: of your muscle bulk, strength and efficiency. When you're five,

456
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Speaker 2: and if you live tid you're one hundred and twenty five,

457
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: you've got zero.

458
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Speaker 1: You're in reverse. But the interesting I mean, we're so

459
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Speaker 1: aligned on this. I think what a lot of people

460
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: don't realize is that contracting muscle produces these molecules called

461
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: myokins that we actually nine know. I mean, when I

462
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: did my exercise physiology masters nearly thirty years ago, we

463
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: were told that myokinds. What they do is they convert

464
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: glucose and fat to energy and then they help your

465
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Speaker 1: muscle get bigger, faster, stronger. But we now know, those

466
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: mayakinds get into circulation and they have a positive impact

467
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: on every single organ and every organ system in your body.

468
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: They are critical signaling molecules to just tell your body

469
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Speaker 1: to be healthier. Right.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing that doctor Cooper explained to me

471
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: with his heart scans and all that sort of stuff

472
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: and angiograms, your three major arteries, your coronary arteres in

473
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: your heart, the three major ones that keep you alive

474
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: are one fifth the width of your little finger.

475
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow.

476
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: There's not much room in there now. If you have

477
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: vascular insufficiency and you start to line your arteries with

478
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: calcium and muckam or fat all that sort of stuff,

479
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: you can swush that away in the first few months

480
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: by moving blood through your heart, which is called exercise.

481
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: So your coronary artery disease can be stopped progressing by

482
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Speaker 2: you going for a walk every day and doing some

483
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: flexibility stuff and all that sort of stuff. People say, well,

484
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Speaker 2: you know, are there any exercises that move every muscle

485
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Speaker 2: in your body at the same time, I said, swimming,

486
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Speaker 2: push ups of your ties, and sex if you're on top,

487
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Speaker 2: not just line it.

488
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Speaker 1: Excellent. So John, let's let's let's go back to the

489
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Speaker 1: whole diet thing. So and and and you know somebody

490
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Speaker 1: came along many many years after you and talked about

491
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Speaker 1: the blue zones, Dan something or other. I can't remember

492
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Speaker 1: what his name was. And but hey, for for me

493
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: put too much emphasis on on on on diet. I mean,

494
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Speaker 1: we know the diet is really important in those blue zones.

495
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Speaker 1: But you've been in the blue zones. It's not just

496
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Speaker 1: the diet. They are very community driven and they they

497
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: they all are are physically active, right and so, and

498
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Speaker 1: they have socialization, they they they have their their their

499
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 1: together and they have real community interactions and so it's

500
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Speaker 1: really just the combination of those things the way that

501
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: humans used to live right.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the a skills, I mean, you see, because they

503
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: don't retire at sixty five. They actually grow their own field,

504
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: own food in the so they're working, they're still maintaining

505
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: physical activity, moving their six hundred muscles every minute of

506
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Speaker 2: the day. And if you head on that socialization, they

507
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: call it the community effect. They call that spirituality. And

508
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about religion here, I'm talking about togetherness.

509
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: And they replace the word selfish with self less. So

510
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: anything they can do to help one another. You know

511
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Speaker 2: that's a tick the box.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, can I ask you? Am I older?

513
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Speaker 2: You know if the Queen was still alive, I would

514
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: be getting a telegram from her in twenty years right.

515
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're in pretty amazing ship for somebody who

516
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Speaker 1: is an octogenarian and you have beaten brain cancer. So

517
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Speaker 1: what are the sort of things that you do currently?

518
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: A right? Because I think that's the best thing, right

519
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: is find people who you want to replicate and want

520
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: to be like and ask them what the hell do

521
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: they do? So what is the sort of stuff that

522
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Speaker 1: you do?

523
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Okay? If you look at the ice skills activity, I

524
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: make sure that I am mobile for at least thirty

525
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: minutes every day, so whether it's walking, swimming, I go

526
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Speaker 2: to a little place called Kaiser which is working on

527
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: a core, the core core issues in the body, see

528
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: the peripheral muscles. As your core gets weaker as you are,

529
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Speaker 2: is then ther peripheral muscles to be used more and

530
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Speaker 2: then you start getting I mean I have said a

531
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: over the age of sixty in Australia got back pain

532
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: on off and so yeah, I'm active. I love.

533
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Speaker 1: So you're doing strength, You're doing some strength training at

534
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: Kaiser and you're doing your cardiovascular stuff.

535
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Speaker 2: Yep, it's interesting. The O and Owens have never heard

536
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: of cardiovascular They've never heard of calories, they've never heard

537
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: of killer jewels.

538
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Speaker 1: No, they just be active, right, Yeah, they just.

539
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: They walk to the fields and they walk home again,

540
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: and they hug your love, they hag it. So I

541
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: make sure I hug a loved one every day, one

542
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: of my grandchildren, or I still have the same wife.

543
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: I haven't traded my wife in the younger mobile yet.

544
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: I think she was sick to training me and so

545
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: activity coping. I'm I was fortunate to meet the guy

546
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: who invented or studied the biochemistry of stress, Hands Cellier,

547
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: and did.

548
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Speaker 1: You meet He's known as the godfather of stress.

549
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: That is awesome confidence in Canada. We spoke of the

550
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: same confidence and the thing that I took out of

551
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: his performance his talk was, let me tell you something.

552
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: When people say I've been under a lot of stress lately,

553
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: just look at them and say no, no, no, no, no.

554
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: Stress is a response you've been under pressure lately. Well,

555
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: if I put you on the MCG in the last

556
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: Saturday coming September, in the Grand Final, I'd be putting

557
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: you under pressure. If I put Dustin Martin or another

558
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 2: accompanised player on the same grain grew, it's the same pressure. However,

559
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 2: that other person has got a team around him. He's

560
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: got a trainer, he's got a plan, he's got a

561
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: go to if things are going wrong. You've done none

562
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: of that specialized training, and you haven't got a plan,

563
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: and you haven't got a coach. We've got a team

564
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: around you. You may that's the poor support system. So

565
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: your initial stress response would be negative. He'd be positive

566
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: he'd played the game and maybe win the normous fifth middle.

567
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: You'd go off after five minutes because you were depressed

568
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: or had a ring or something. It's really interesting when

569
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 2: I got brain cancer and Sue brought me into two

570
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: books and I said, I don't feel like reading anything.

571
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: She said, well, what are you going to do? You're

572
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: going to want to television. So I read the books

573
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: and then I re read. Even though Lance Armstrong was

574
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: a cheat, he did do something. He survived brain cancer

575
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: because he changed his life. And when he was in

576
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: hospital being treated for brain cancer, they wouldn't let him

577
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: go home because of all the truth that he was

578
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: other he used to ring his mate, and the only

579
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: way he could escape from the hospital was when the

580
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: cleaners came in the basement at ten o'clock at night.

581
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: So his mate used to bring two bikes and Lance

582
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: would get on his bike at ten pm at night

583
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: for a ten mile ride with his mate to keep

584
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: He said, I had to keep the blood moving and

585
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: they and all that sort of stuff. So it was

586
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: really interesting because the nurses when they put the IV

587
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: in and start all the chemicals going in, and I'd

588
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: be smiling at the nurse. They thank you very much.

589
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: They said, what are you smiling about. I said, because

590
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: of the great job you're doing. Thank you for helping me.

591
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: And those chemicals I call them the good guys. They're

592
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: killing all the dasties. Yeah, but most other patients are

593
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: depressed and crying and all this sort of stuff. They're saying,

594
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: it's an attitude. I mean, life is an attitude shift.

595
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: It's not like I missed the last the last bus

596
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: I think it was it was. Richard Branson once said

597
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 2: that you know the opportunities in life, it's like being

598
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: at the bus stop. You've either missed the bus or

599
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: there's another one coming in a few minutes. He said,

600
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: there's lots of opportunities if you're there at the right time.

601
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: And the other thing Brandson said to me with the

602
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: one on one was he said, doc, he said, the

603
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: past has gone, but you learn from it. Never make

604
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: the same mistake. Twice he said, the future is for

605
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: those who planned for it. And he said the present

606
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: is a gift. That's why they call it the president.

607
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh nice, I like that. That's pretty cool.

608
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: The other one on one I've had, which your people

609
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: watching and you probably haven't ever done, because I've had one.

610
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: I spoke at the same conference as a guy called

611
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, Oh wow, before he was president, and he

612
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: called me into which room after I came off the stage,

613
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: and he said, you want to talk for three or

614
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: four minutes? I said, I said, sir, He said, call

615
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: me Donald and I said, And it was really interesting.

616
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: I said, before we chat, I've got a gift for you.

617
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: He said, a gift for me because I knew he

618
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: was a golfreak. And now, I don't know whether you

619
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: are the great golfs in the world, but Tiger Woods

620
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: has always been chasing the Jack Nicholas.

621
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: Now.

622
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: I met Jack Nicholas at a tournament there, and I said,

623
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: down with him after a cup of coffee, because I

624
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: used him to design the golf course for me. After

625
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: a while, I got to know the guy and and

626
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: he said, he said, I used to win because the

627
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: sharpest club in my bag was between my ears. And

628
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: he said, I knew when I was under pressure during

629
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: the last round, I knew I could beat these guys

630
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: because they're all skinned.

631
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, mindset.

632
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: I wrote a book with Jack called Golf for Life,

633
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: and that was published in the US in New York.

634
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: And anyway, I gave the copy to Donald Trump and

635
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: he looked at looked at the book and then looked

636
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: at me, and he said. He didn't say thank you.

637
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: He said, next time you see Jack, say hello for me.

638
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: There you go. Interesting.

639
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 2: I can't remember a question, but that's oh no.

640
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: No, that's all right. So here I've got a question

641
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: for you. Right. So let's imagine that you are not

642
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: in charge of the country, right, and you're a benevolent

643
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: dictator yep, right, So you can make whatever rules you want,

644
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: but they have to be benevolent to improve the health

645
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: and well being of the population. Okay, the rules would

646
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: you make.

647
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: Just before I answer the question, do you know what

648
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: is still the biggest cancer killer in Australia. Which cancer

649
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: kills the most people in Australia.

650
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Speaker 1: Which cancer kills the most people? Would it be bile cancer?

651
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: No, it's lung cancer.

652
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Speaker 1: Lung cancer. There you go, Okay, obviously.

653
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Speaker 2: I mean in the science and reality. In nineteen fifty four,

654
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: the Surgeon General came out in the US and said

655
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Speaker 2: sm looking causes lun cat. It's not associated with it

656
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: causes lun cat. So therefore, next week I would ban

657
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: the sale of cigarettes, which kills seventy people a day

658
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Speaker 2: in Australia. It kills twenty three thousand Australians who don't

659
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: deserve him dead because they get addicted to nicotine. And

660
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 2: there are seventy car center in a cigarette. So people

661
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: say you can't do that, but we go underground. I say,

662
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: we'll remember Dan, Daniel and Andrews. He find people two

663
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Speaker 2: grand or six grand or something for walking more than

664
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Speaker 2: five k's from the house and the other thing. Paul.

665
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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy we got the Victorian government to change's

666
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Speaker 2: first date in the world to introduce compulsory seat belts

667
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: in the front seat of cars. The deaths more on

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Speaker 2: ten thirty four. So one O three four, one thousand

669
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Speaker 2: and thirty four got killed in nineteen sixty nine on

670
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Speaker 2: the Victorian roads. Now it's two hundred and fifty with

671
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: nine times as many cars. Wow, why does it work

672
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: because the authorities? Fine, have you driven through a school

673
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: zone at more than forty lately?

674
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Speaker 1: I don't think I have now because what you.

675
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Speaker 2: Don't because you fought four hundred. I mean, if you

676
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Speaker 2: find every person five hundred dollars who had a cigarette

677
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: on their person, somebody selling a packet of twenty, that's

678
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: ten grand bank, it's gone. I mean, why dance around

679
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: the edge of banning vaping? Why did you ban the

680
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: biggest cancer killer in the world.

681
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what would you do about the food supply?

682
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Speaker 2: Number one? I get rid of the ill, he said,

683
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Speaker 2: check out check the checkout person at the supmer. There

684
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Speaker 2: is a wall at the checkout person of crap. Get

685
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: rid of it. I would hide all the confectionery and

686
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: sugar enhanced foods in a back aisle and turn the

687
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: lights off. Right. People say, well, you can't ban chocolate

688
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: at East the time, I said, well, I know you can't,

689
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's what you get the Easter Bunny on

690
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: TV saying hey kids, I just have one of these,

691
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Speaker 2: not fifty three.

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Speaker 1: Well to your point, John, they implemented a sugar tax

693
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Speaker 1: in the in the UK on sugary drinks.

694
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Speaker 2: Right, thirty five countries of the world with sugar.

695
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and reduce sugary drink consumption BYuT thirty

696
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Speaker 1: five percent. Right, So these public health measures actually work.

697
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Speaker 1: But yet in Australia we won't actually implement any sort

698
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Speaker 1: of attacks on healthy foods and then health.

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Speaker 2: See our Department of Health which is renamed now the

700
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: Department of Sickness, I mean the Minister of Health. What

701
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: do you know about health? These are politic So what

702
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: you're saying if we don't institute and I'm going to

703
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: a diabetes meeting in ten days time about the things

704
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: we can do to stop the it's the biggest health

705
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: epidemic now in history. It's diabetes, the biggest health epidemic

706
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Speaker 2: in history. It's killing four hundred strains a week. And

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Speaker 2: unless we cut down the sugar consumption with attax, we

708
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: are domb so like to go back to cigarettes. For

709
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: half a minute, the Australian government collects thirteen billion dollars

710
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: in taxing people while they kill sixty seven people a day.

711
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: They're taxing people killing themself. That tax, you know, a

712
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: sugar tax. But what are they going to It's a

713
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: bit like the petrol tax. Then you know, what do

714
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Speaker 2: they do with the are they're supposed to do up

715
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Speaker 2: the roads? We've got the worst roads in Australia.

716
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean this is the key thing is

717
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Speaker 1: you've got to reinvest the money in health services. And

718
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Speaker 1: to your point you mentioned it earlier on about sick care.

719
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Speaker 1: I don't think we've got a healthcare system in this country.

720
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Speaker 1: We've got a sick care system. I think ninety eight

721
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: and a half percent of all spending is on tertiary treatment.

722
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: We wait until people are screwed and then we put

723
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Speaker 1: them on medication rather than doing something proactive around it.

724
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Speaker 2: So here's a real question for you, Paul, if you

725
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Speaker 2: had the name the number one fault bearer, is it

726
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: the individual? Is it the parents, the cares? Is it

727
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: the manufacturers of the product? Or is it the government?

728
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Speaker 1: Jumping Jesus, you know what I would go for. I

729
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: would actually go for the parent, That's what I look.

730
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: Everybody has got has got a role to play in this.

731
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Speaker 1: But just because of what I have seen, I would

732
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Speaker 1: say that that, oh Jesus, I mean, look, I mean

733
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: everybody's got a part to play in it. I'd have

734
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: to really think about that. That was my initial reaction,

735
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: because kids don't so much do what you tell them

736
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: to do, they do what you do, and so I

737
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: think that's pretty big. But you know, food manufacturers, there

738
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: they are, they're they're making stuff that they're that you know,

739
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: as long as they have corporate interests and for the shareholders,

740
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: you're never going to wipe that out, right, But government

741
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: in action is pretty significant. But then that's when you

742
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: get into the philosophical debate about free will and choice

743
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. So it's a it's a

744
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: complex problem. But then there's the individual, Like if they're

745
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Speaker 1: not a kid, you know, from from that perspective, kids

746
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: don't know what they're putting into their mind and some

747
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: of the issues. So I think a lot of for

748
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: me an individual responsibility is big, but a lot of

749
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: people actually don't know about how bad this stuff actually

750
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: is for you, right, So I think there needs to

751
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: be a massive education program and.

752
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: Individual podcast you and I do that do we get

753
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: a TV show called Prevention Comes before Cure or something? Yeah?

754
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely. But the problem, I think it's a it's a

755
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: big problem, right, because so let's take nutrition and and

756
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: here's a big part of the issue that we know.

757
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: We talked about cigarettes. We know some of the world's

758
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: biggest food companies were bought by tobacco companies in the

759
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, right, you'll know that. And they they

760
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: did the exact same playbook. So they transferred a lot

761
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: of knowledge, and they transferred their their their their marketing,

762
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: and their IP and their executives into food and they

763
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: did the same playbook. They created an institute called the

764
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: International Life Sciences Institute was funded by big food to

765
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Speaker 1: pay universities to do research that basically or other people

766
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: to do research that clouded people's opinion, right, that put

767
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: some doubt in their minds. And they lobby governments. Right,

768
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: so we know that the big food got the Chinese

769
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: government to change their wording on obesity from its food

770
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Speaker 1: and diet to its sorry exercise and diet to its

771
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: just exercise. And then they throw millions of marketing dollars

772
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: at this thing. Right, So I think that's part of

773
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: the problem is the same, like big food is more

774
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: powerful than big pharma or big tobacco. And I think

775
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: that's a big, big issue today, and the governments won't

776
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Speaker 1: do anything about it. So then you're down to the individual.

777
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: And all of this stuff gets heavily marketed. And you

778
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: know as well as I do, that this stuff is

779
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: addictive whenever you eat it. That combination of sugar, fat, salt,

780
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: it's the blessed point in the brilliant So I think

781
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: it is. It's an inherently complex problem.

782
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: But before we finish, I you just bought up. Yeah,

783
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: we're talking about fixing it. Is a word called incentive.

784
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: Now you're a member of the qualits frequent fliers I

785
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: am indeed, okay, and Velocity maybe, and.

786
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: What happened I spend that much time on a plane.

787
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm a member of them.

788
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: Both, okay. So you're incentivized, but they give give it

789
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: things called points. Yes, and so you can buy a

790
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: toaster for you know, ten thousand points, so you get

791
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: it upgrade on a plane for fifteen thousand points from

792
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: here long or something. So what what I want to

793
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: discuss with you next time is incentivising kids and parents

794
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: to do some good things. Now, there's another little thing

795
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: that kids go to bed. Little kids go to bed,

796
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: say before a thirty you must we we must ban

797
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: fast food and you know, take away food before a

798
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: thirty at night on television. I mean when a child

799
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: leaves school they see somewhere between ten and thirty advertisements

800
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: on the back of buses and posters and all that

801
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And then they get home and turn

802
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: the TV on they see an average of twenty seven

803
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: fast food adds a day, several hundred a week. That

804
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: in there imprints. Yeah, so you know, have you ever

805
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: seen an advertisement I'll be the apple get up and

806
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: doing a dance, look at the fiber and me. Anyway,

807
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: that's part of the incentivizing thing. And then the last

808
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: thing I mentioned there are doctors around the world, minions

809
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: of doctors who are prescribing medicines, their drugs, their chemicals

810
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: made in laboratories. I've jumped the fence now and I

811
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: prescribe food food as medicine. And so the latest micro

812
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: biologic biological if that's a word magic is is the

813
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: fibrous micronutrients in this new food called nutri cane. And

814
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: I'll send you some stuff about it because an U

815
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Speaker 2: t r okay, And people say, well, you're not lay

816
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: advertised doctors are. I'm telling you that eat some food

817
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: every day. It's a drink instead. See when you drink

818
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: orange juice, how many oranges have you squeaked? And that?

819
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: Yeah?

820
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: Six times the calorie. All my fibers in the.

821
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Speaker 1: Dusty, And there's the fruit toos and the impact on

822
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: the fruit toos on the liver and all these polliol

823
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: pathways that just mess.

824
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and I can explain to kids and parents,

825
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: what are actual carbo hydrated like the Americans wrecked the word.

826
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Speaker 2: They call them calves as they say thing as a

827
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Speaker 2: carb carbs carbon carbon carbohydrate as carbon hydro and oxygen

828
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Speaker 2: hto water. So in you know, if somebody said you've

829
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: got to drink seven glass of water a day, but

830
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: that wasn't an Eastern Asian type person, that was an

831
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: American because they ate so much carbs, which has got

832
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: the hydrate missing. They want it's so simple, but we've

833
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: got to dumb it down, kiss, keep it simple, stupid,

834
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: so poor all the best. We're going to get rid

835
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: of the checkout wall of crap. We're going to get

836
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 2: rid of we're going to bring in a sugar tax

837
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: because there are other ninety five countries in the world.

838
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: Mexico's work, the UK's work, Sevenes, It's work, California and stuff,

839
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 2: and now Australia that the what I call them, the

840
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: sick ministers.

841
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely right, John, this has been a fascinating journey on

842
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: all sorts of different topics and and I love just

843
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: your your practical knowledge of somebody who has been all

844
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: around the world and talked seen all this sort of

845
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: stuff going on in in all the blue zones and

846
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: actually realizes what is actually happening in this country. And

847
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: we just need to get back to living the way

848
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: our ancestors did. Right So, But John, thank you for

849
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: your many, many years of experience and wisdom and great

850
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: to remember who I got the Loewier tie from. I

851
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: will now be crediting you from it ongoing because it's brilliant,

852
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: absolutely brilliant.

853
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: The last time we met without the.

854
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: Club, Thental Club. Yes, that's right.

855
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: One little more thing. Now, do you know the difference

856
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: between wellness and illness? The two words wellness starts.

857
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: With week we start to die.

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00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 2: Ah, So if you try to do it all yourself,

859
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: you're likely to get an illness. But if we do

860
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: this collectively with the you know the part people like

861
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: you and me around it, well that's we, that's wellness.

862
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: Love it.

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00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: Excellent, John, Thanks for your time, have a great Oh

864
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Speaker 1: where can we send people to find out more about you? Books,

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Speaker 1: any of that sort of stuff that people can can

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Speaker 1: go and look up and buy.

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Speaker 2: Dr John Tigil dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor John t quel dot com, Dr.

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Speaker 2: As a Doctor, Dr John Tigil dot com.

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Speaker 1: Excellent. I'll put that in the show notes and we'll

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Speaker 1: get people out there. Good stuff, mate,