WEBVTT - Outsiders | 22 September 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:17.680 Opinion on Sky News Australia starts now love this is outside, 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.960 Good morning and welcome to Outsiders. The show that is 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:27.360 to work, virtue signaling, anti Semitism, fake politicians and phony policies. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.600 What Kamala Harris is getting straight to the point and 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.080 directly answering the question when. 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.360 It comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:38.840 better off than they were four years ago? 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.160 So I was raised as a middle class kid. 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.639 We talked about bringing down prices and making life more 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:48.720 affordable for people. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.080 What are one or two specific things you have in 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:51.600 mind for that? 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.840 Well, I'll start with this, I grew up a middle 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:56.600 class kid. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.800 They can just get their foot in the door to 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.760 be able to then engage in what will prove to 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.240 be their opportunity to build intergenerational wealth. And here's my 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.520 personal experience coming at that, I grew up a middle 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:10.120 class kid. 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.920 Being a middle class kid is the perfect answer for 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.479 every question. But what about her running mate? 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:21.600 Let's start with inflation. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.720 What do you tell people who wake up frankly each 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.080 morning wondering how am I going to get by financially? 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:26.319 Yeah? 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.520 I tell them, Kamo Harrison, I know something about it. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.440 And being middle class folks. Our family sit at the 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:31.640 table trying to pay the bill. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.360 Still, I guess you know, as a middle class kid myself, 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.360 I have to admire Kamala's strategic thinking. I mean, surely 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.319 the typical black female voter is going to fall for this, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:44.880 aren't they. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.880 When you're asked about the border or your policies on immigration, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.440 answer the question. We don't care about your middle class upbringing. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.440 We don't care that your mama had to save up 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.080 to my house. We don't care about your summer job 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.080 at McDonald's. We don't care about the lawns of the 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.560 neighborhood that you lived in and how everybody took care 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.320 of their lawn. That does not matter to me, and 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.040 it doesn't matter to anybody else. I want you to 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:10.959 answer the question. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.280 Looks looks like even if you're Kamala Harris, you can't 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.920 actually fool all of the people all of the time, 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:19.280 or even some of the time. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.480 So while Kamala struggles with her. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:30.760 Middle class credentials, let's grab the latest Outsiders news. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:30.920 Well Richa and James. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:35.600 I was delighted to see Anthony Albanize wandering around America. 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.359 With some blokes his old bloke. He's obviously helping. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.520 And I must have found die lying there under the 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.000 Washington Monument or something. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.480 Decided to give him a hand. Let's have a look 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:45.160 at the footage. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:45.680 Here we are? 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:49.760 Where are we? 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:51.320 Ah? 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:57.919 Okay, what's an opportunity for me to express my support 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.440 and congratulations for the role that President Biden has played. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.160 He has been a good friend of Australia, but he's 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:11.520 also been an advocate for the rule of law. History 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:17.760 will record President Biden has been a driver of a 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.119 very successful period in US foreign policy. 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.119 So that's the official line. But let's have a look 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.520 at Albo enjoying himself. As I said in the company 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:31.080 he keeps here, he is wandering around. Oh, sorry, my mistake. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.920 It's Kevin right there we go, Je. What do we 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:34.400 make of it? 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.280 Well, yeah, so of course you know Albanize. He is 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.720 in Washington and they were having the Orcust talks in 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.560 Delaware this week at the Albanese he was so keen 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.200 by the way to make sure everybody knew that he 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.320 was only going to be there for one day, that 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.120 this wasn't a big you know, airbus Albo gallivant here, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.680 I thought the clip that we played of him speaking 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.880 a moment ago was absolutely fascinating. Can you imagine how 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.600 uncomfortable Ethny Halbanesi would have been speaking in front of 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.760 not one, but what looked like two or three Australian flags. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:11.480 There was no straight you know, I think somebody, nobody 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.920 in protocol if the embassy is going to get a 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.640 talking to. But seriously, though, you know, it's interesting here 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.920 because this August thing has really kind of gone out 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.560 of Labor's control now, and it's interesting to be here 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.000 how they've now got people on the left within Labor 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.640 who are now making a lot of noises against Aucust. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.480 You've got people in the Greens who can't stand it. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.640 And yet at the same time, you know, we're in 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.279 this incredibly powerless position here. The only criticism that is 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.680 correct about Aucust is that it is not going to 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.160 get us the sort of weaponry we need now anywhere 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:49.240 near fast enough. And this government is completely dithering when 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.120 it comes to defense procurement. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.839 Also dithering razor in terms of not actually bothering to 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:54.960 visit Donald Trump. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.000 So here we have a but. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.440 He did express to Joe Biden his concern it's about 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.400 the attempts on Donald Trump's life. So that's good, that's good. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.760 But there's a meeting with Joe Biden at his private 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:13.400 home in Delaware. Why the man, what is Joe Biden 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:14.160 still president? 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.560 Is he seems to be the only person in the 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:18.600 world he thinks he is. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.280 This is no one in America is even looking at 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.640 just Joe Biden as the one who's running the country 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.960 because everyone knows that he was so inepso cognitively impaired. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.080 Kamal are installed in. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.320 Is al but Easy really the one running Australia and 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:37.560 very good, very good. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.360 Well, I was the reason I wanted to look at 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.960 that footage of Rads and Albo wandering around Rita and 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.440 James was of course Alban Easy said, I know I'm 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.920 not going to I'm not going to bother visiting Donald Trump. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.280 Reminds me of Malcolm Turnbull, who had a similar point 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.440 in the election cycle back in two thousand and sixteen. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.680 And I'm not going to bother visiting Donald Trump. But 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.240 I've thought this man there on the left where Kevin 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.120 Rudd was, was Donald Trump's great new mate. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:07.400 I thought trying. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.000 I thought Kevin Rudd had had the key Donald Trump. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:14.640 Marra Lago. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.560 I don't think mister Trump is going to be forgiving 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.599 or forgetting the things Kevin rud has said. It's very 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.960 ill advised. Indeed, is what happens when you've got people 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.159 who've grown up with student politics and really never left 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.200 student politics. They're these mad idea logues. And Albert, let's 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.000 not forget socialist left faction of the labor parties, not 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.840 just Labor. He's hard left labor. And we're talking here 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:44.080 about the man who's likely to be president again, and 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.560 you don't want him to have ill will towards the 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:52.320 Prime Minister or the Ambassador or Penny Wong or anyone 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.600 else who's in a position of power within the government. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.919 Well, and you know, it's also important to note that 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.000 just with all of his talk about ocus and defeat, 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.240 here just how dangerous a Harris presidency would be, I 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.280 think for Australia, because if you look at the history 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.640 of Democrat administrations over the last twenty years, they have 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.040 been incredibly chaotic on the foreign policy front. You know, 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.480 under Obama we had the Arab Spring and all of 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:22.040 that disaster. Under Biden we've had Iran and Ukraine and 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.920 October seventh all of these due to democrat weakness. And 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.320 then if you start to extend that to the Pacific, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.160 which of course where the next obvious hotspot is for 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.760 authoritarian countries like China to start making their play against 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.640 you know, what they see as a declining, weakening American empire, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.160 then Australia is absolutely in the frame. And so to 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.680 be acting like, you know, Trump's not a good thing 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.560 for Australia, I think is disastrously wrongheaded. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:50.200 Absolutely well. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.840 This drives me mad when these so called conservative commentators say, oh, oh, 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.920 we don't approve that Donald Trump, and blah blah blah. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.640 But I do, like Rowan, that you do touch on 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.360 this Trump derangement syndrome that's evident, and not just amongst 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:09.000 the CNNs, the ABC's over here, but amongst some normally 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:15.280 saying conservative commentators who have just swallowed this nonsensical narrative 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.880 from the Russian collusion hoax to the Fine People hoax, 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:24.160 they just swallowed all up uncritically and make absolute fools 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.800 of themselves over and over again. If you don't understand 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.920 US politics, don't talk about US politics. That would be 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:31.400 my advice. 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.520 If you don't understand the Donald Trump phenomenon. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.000 Well, I'm the eternal optimist, and I'm looking forward to 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.679 this time. Well only a few months away when we 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.520 will have Donald Trump in the White House and we 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.320 will have Peter Dutton in the lodge, and Kevin Right 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.920 can go back to the Sunshine Coast and wait for 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.199 the oceans to rise from his beachfront, pat so he 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:49.280 can look forward to doing that. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.280 Is he still in the ocean front there? 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.520 Of course he is, of course over in wasting very 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.840 nice part of it. He's taking tourists around Washington at 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:57.080 the moment. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.880 So good luck to Kevin Right. But you know, important 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:01.720 six months coming out. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.400 Let's talk a little bit about closer to home, Sydney University, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:12.600 Mark Scott, the bloke around the ABC. You know, I'm 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.400 trying to think of polite words to say about Mark 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:15.160 Scott's tenure of. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.679 The ABC, but words fail me on this instance. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.680 Mark Scott has come out and he apologized to Jewish 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:27.440 students for his failure at over the last you know, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.280 nine months, at the demonstrations and so on. The deals 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.040 that were done by Sydney University to allow Muslim groups 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.520 to have a say and a committee over what the 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.280 university invests in et cetera, et cetera, to the point 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.120 where Jewish students felt un So. If Mark Scott has 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.400 comportant said he apologizes for his failure, well, Mark Scott, 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.800 nobody in the left seems to understand the idea of responsibility. 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.480 You have apologized for the failure. 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:55.959 That apology literally means nothing unless you resign. That's what accountability. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.960 That's why you earn the big bucks to sit at 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.719 the top. You earn a million dollar salary at the 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:04.080 top the food chain. If you fail at Sydney University, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.120 you should be punted from Sydney University. Like the students 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.800 who fail are punted, so too should the vice chancellor 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.160 be punted for this chronic failure. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.319 Rita, I tend to agree, and I think the apology 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.920 for words for that too little, too late. This has 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.400 been going for close to a year. You've had encampments, 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:27.480 you have had this open hostility, You've had students being intimidated. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:32.160 We had students being spat on at these meetings who 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.679 are trying to say that we shouldn't be anti Israel, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.480 that we should not judge Israel by different standards to 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:44.480 every other country. It's interesting James that the Education Minister 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.319 Jason Clair has declined to say whether he has confidence 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:49.120 in this discussion. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.160 Yeah, I know, we're not even we're not even getting 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.920 the typical you know, the coach has the false port 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.720 of the Board of Commentary on that. But I will 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.960 say this one other interesting point which I think people 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.920 are missing in this, and there is a common thread 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.160 here between Mark Scott's tenure at the ABC at his 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:10.000 tenure at UCID, and that is this weakness and his 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:15.120 desire or basically you know, inability to take control of 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.119 the reins and instead let the inmates run the asylum. 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.439 You know, at the ABC, it's been all about constantly 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.640 this staff run collective there. That has gotten the ABC 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.320 into a huge amount of trouble, just even this week 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.680 with the audio that was added to the heston Russell 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.640 aportsoun war crimes that they finally dropped out at four 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.320 point thirty or so on Friday afternoon a statement say 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.199 oh all right, well maybe there is something wrong and 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.600 we're to do an investigation. So that's great sort of 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.480 tricky media management there form the ABC. Back to Mark Scott, 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.920 you read the reports and you read what he said 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.560 about all of this. You know, New South Wales police 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.800 guys offered to come in and clear the encampment, but 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.600 he didn't want to, in his words, escalate the situation. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.800 And I'm sorry second right there, this is this is 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:07.400 exactly the mentality that lets these sorts of encampments fester. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.560 And when you don't assert your authority and say, you 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.800 know what, this is a university. This is not a 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.040 place where we just let people hang out like a 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.160 bunch of ferals and do this funeral serals this propo. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.200 Probably, But can I just say if it was a 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:29.000 group of extreme right wing protests set up an encampment, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.160 do you think Mark Scott would say, well, I don't 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.680 want to inflame tensions. I don't want to upset them 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.079 and have things escalate. No note to the police coming 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:42.040 in at the first hint, there would be full force 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.120 of the law private security of New South Wales Police. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:46.480 It'd probably be calling the Fenzi. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.600 These are there the same New South Wales police by 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.880 the way, offering to clear that out. Who you know, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:54.440 I mean they were so sick with the other The 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.920 same cops that that on October eighth or ninth, whenever 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.600 it had that horrible demonstration down at the Opera House 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.400 just stood back because they didn't want to escalate. And 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.240 this is the crisis of authority, the crisis of authority 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.800 in our society where the cups don't want to do 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.360 what needs to be done, when the administrators don't do 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.319 what needs to be done, and then you just let 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:15.520 badness run a buck. 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.120 When it starts at it starts at the top. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.480 And Donald Trump made the point in the debate with 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:25.400 Kamala Harris about the Democrats never fire anybody. And this 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.080 is the point the problem here, both with the coalition. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.000 And with labor. They never fire anybody. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.200 And the point is that you can only run if 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:33.280 you've ever run a business. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:34.400 The people who. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.520 Don't do as well as the people who are successful, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.160 you fire the ones who are no good. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:39.520 Scott should be fired. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.679 There are any number of public servants who should be 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.120 fired for not having done a good job. There are 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.800 any number of heads of commissions that should be fired 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.360 for not having done a good job. And until the 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.960 coalition gets into government and actually finally stands up and 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.080 does this and starts cleaning a place. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.040 Out firing people. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.000 I spoke to Angus Taylor last week, had a great 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.640 meeting there at Roseville, and Angus Taylor was making the 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.200 point that his first day as a new treasure would 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.520 be to fire a lot of the public servants that 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:10.920 haven't done a great job, and. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.480 This is we need the government to do this. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.040 Can I express some doubt there? 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:16.480 Well? 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.880 Multiple terms of a coalition, coalition, governments in power and 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.080 what did they actually do to tackle this in the bureaucracy? 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:25.640 I agree with you. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:26.880 Did they think. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.840 About the ABC? The ABC? They whine about it incessantly. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.600 The funding's gone up more than a billion dollars per 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:39.360 annum for this activist organization that breaches its charter daily. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.480 What did the coalition do about it other than coming 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:43.760 sky and whine about it? 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.280 Given them time. They need to be held on account. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.480 They need to be held to that commitment to start 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.440 firing people who don't do a good job and firing 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:50.840 the number of. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.680 Acts like labor in power? What if you say about labor? 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.600 And yes they're inept and they got some mad ideas, 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.800 but they don't waste power from day won't They push 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.520 their agenda and that's what you want when you vote. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.000 You know what they do. They know how to organize, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:08.880 and they know how to put their people in key. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.000 Positions exactly, and then they never had them. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.640 Now let's talk about the Another sackable offensive, course, was 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:22.600 the absolute chamuzzle over visas asio being called in as 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.560 I understand it, James. So the Albanezy government rushed out, 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.800 gave everyone the visas and then said, oh, hang on, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:28.680 shall we bother. 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:29.360 The checking. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:36.680 All these people? Hello, fireable offense in my book, So 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:37.280 I mean, like. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.160 This is the whole thing, this is just a schedule. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.600 Peter Dutt nailed it in Parliament the other week. What 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.840 he was calling it a visas for vote skin, you know, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.640 and the whole thing. Nobody there was no ground swell 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.520 in the community saying hey, you know we've got to do. 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.239 We've got to bring thousands of Palacedians over from Gaza 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.960 into Australia. And yet what do they do. They did 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.680 exactly that, and they did this in this really tricky way. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:03.000 They gave outas, which like tourist visas, essentially to get 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.840 them here. Once you get them here, they cannot basically 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.120 be kicked out because when there's a file asylum claims 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.560 of the I think thirteen hundred that have been brought 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.840 in something like eight hundred and nine hundred have already 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:22.000 filed their humanitarian claims. This means essentially they're here forever now. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.200 Those checks sittings, they did a lot of them after 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.080 the fact of this, which of course goes to the 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.600 whole lie of what they've been saying. This is all 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.720 about Tony Burke propping up his seat and other Western 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.720 Sydney and a couple of seats in Melbourne seats with 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.520 a high Muslim population and try and shore off some 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.400 of these threats that they've got, these Muslim independent groups. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.120 But this is playing games with our security because we 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.360 also know that in Gaza, you know, huge numbers of 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:53.720 people in October seventh they support Hamas. Why take that 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.360 RISKTA It's. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.760 A self inflicted word in this one. We've spoken about 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:05.600 it repeatedly. No other Western country has behaved as Australia has, 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.840 and that should tell you plenty. We've got a lot 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:15.560 of elbow types in power around the world and they 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.280 are more cautious than Alba has been. And I don't 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.640 think it's actually going to work ensuring up these seats. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.520 I don't think those voters who are upset with labor 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.440 and think labor haven't gone far enough in expressing support 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.160 for for the Palestinian cause, or haven't gone far enough 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.679 in condemning Israel. Are going to be satisfied with a 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.800 few thousand Palestinian refugees or asylum seekers being settled here. 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.040 And as you said, the means of which they've done 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:49.960 it through these temporary almost travel tourist visas. So it's 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.840 the quickest way to get. 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.240 And they admitted that that's that they want to do it. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:55.720 They said, that's the quickt way to get them in 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.199 is just give them a visitor visa, you know, and 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.680 that comes with very few checks and not even a 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.280 palas in government in the sense of having like another 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.560 government you hear check criminal record against. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.320 Well change, absolutely shameful. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.199 Alban easy government has been an absolute disgrace on this 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.600 entire issue. Another thing that should be fired, in my opinion, 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.639 a thing, not a person, is of course, the welcome 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.000 to country. I've been banging on about this, We've been 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:21.680 talking about this on this show since the. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.240 Voice obviously before. 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:31.200 Welcome to country has become a ridiculous concept. Interestingly, it's 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.040 now entered the public debate, which is what you tend 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.640 to find to happen. Remember the formula outsiders first, six 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.879 months later, the rest of the meetia, we're talking about it. 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.359 That's the formula we like to stick to. 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.560 Well now, several individuals have jumped in this weekend to 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.600 discuss Welcome to Country, some for it, some against it, 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.159 as is the proper way in any civilized democratic debate. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.760 Interestingly, enough of few Indigenous. 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.920 Voices have come forward RITA saying we actually we agree 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.680 the Welcome to Country has gone way too far. 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.440 It is divisive now, it is divisive. It is not a. 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.160 Friendly gesture any longer, as we saw the other weekend RITA. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.399 Yes, there's been all sorts of voices. Chris Kenny wrote 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.359 a piece for the Australian newspaper which I'm interested in 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:18.640 your thoughts about, But most interesting to me was former 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:23.560 footballer Matthew Stokes, the Premiership player Indigenous man, and I 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.200 thought he was very measured in his commentary about how 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.560 divisive these ceremonies have become, how they can be hijacked 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.040 by people pushing an agenda, and most importantly he made 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.080 the point that he should be able to discuss this 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.440 freely without being labeled a racist. And I think that's 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.520 a massive jump forward because I remember when we first 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.520 started talking about this issue years ago, years before the 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.600 Voice on this program, it was almost taboo. It was 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.000 almost taboo to say I'm sick and tired of being 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.760 welcome to my own country. I find this divisive. I 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.680 find it as a migrant offensive. I find it a 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.320 PC way of saying, go back to where you came from. 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.280 And now we are actually having the debate, and I 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.679 think one of the positives out of the whole referendum 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.520 debacle is that we got an answer from the from 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.959 the Australian population about what they feel about these issues. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.680 That's the whole thing I'm talking about. 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.840 I'll just quickly say, regarding Chris Kenny's article, well, if 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.080 Joan Bayers set it to music, she'd have a hit 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.679 like Kumbai R. Because that's basically how it read to me. 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:29.639 Well, I know it's an interesting I mean, like like 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.320 one of the things too, you know, just to go 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.680 back to the Voice. To me, the moment I knew 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.840 that the No camp was going to absolutely ramp it 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.520 in was when Marcia Langton said that if if the 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.879 referendum doesn't get up, you know, you'll never be another welcome. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:50.160 You don you remember how after that there was this 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.760 huge outpouring of people. It was like this damn broke 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.840 and would saying can we get that in writing please? 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:57.080 Is that a promise? Like? 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:57.320 You know? 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.680 And that was what I knew, that the whole vibe 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.119 and ship or that, I mean, you know. Chris Kenny 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:03.720 makes the point. He says, well, it become just sort 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.359 of like a part of the furniture, like a toast 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.800 at a wedding or a speech and a birthday. But I've 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.960 never been to a wedding or a birthday party where 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.480 the toaster or the speech has told me that I 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:16.840 don't have a steak in this country. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.200 Well, it's not the piece of furniture. It's the piece 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.000 of furniture in the corner that you're waiting to put 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:21.720 into the skip. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.560 Seriously, because it is divisive and it is aggressive, and 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.720 the idea that it is somehow touchy feeling and all lovely, 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.240 but it doesn't give me a warm, touchy feeling. And 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.720 the acknowledgment the country, which is part and passerve the welcome. 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.919 The acknowledgment of country is basically saying you do not 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.400 own this land. It's saying to every single person who's 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.440 got a mortgage, she struggles hard, pays the bank, their mortgage, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.000 goes out, gets a property, point builds, builds a house 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:52.480 on it, has a family. It's saying every time everywhere 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.000 you go, don't kid yourself. It ain't yours. You don't 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.560 own it, This ain't yours. That's what acknowledgment of the 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.000 country is literally really saying. It might not legally be 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.440 saying it, but culturally and literally that is. 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.399 What Here's That's why I object. Here's a much bigger 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.440 point too. You know, we hear people talk all the time, 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.800 guys about this sort of wille phrase social cohesion, right, 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.000 you know, social cohesion. Well, I would just put it 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:18.960 to you that we had a big problem here with 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.760 this and it's going to get worse because we are 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.080 also we've also had figures out this week about the 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.320 net overseas migration and how this is just still remains 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.679 at record record highs. And what are we doing to 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.440 our social cohesion when people come here and we tell 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.439 them not only keep doing and being whatever you were 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.879 before you came over here, but also this place here 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.320 is illegitimate and the government that brought you in and 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:46.120 that you want to come in and you know, live 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:49.080 and work out of this system here is kind of illegitimate, 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.320 is kind of stolen. It's a bit on the nose. 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.320 You know, this is going to encourage much more separatism 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.800 across all of our communities because we're not giving people 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.000 who come to this country. We should welcome people who 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.280 come to this country, like so many people even on 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.959 the stage here, but we have to give them something 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.720 strong to believe in. And when you say welcome the country. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.399 You see this Australia thing process. It's the same thing 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.200 with alban Easy and all the flags. There's one flag, 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.359 there's one Australia, there's one idea, there's one people, and 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.040 we should all be a part of that world. 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.800 Well not when you are pushing notions like always was, 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:29.920 always will be, sovereignty was never seeded. That we are 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:34.920 on stolen land, that all of this is and it's 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:39.080 all racially divisive. It's based on nothing other than race, 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.960 and that's why the referendum was poisoned. That's why the 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:46.080 overwhelming majority of Australians around sixty percent, in fact, it's 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:50.040 a little bit over sixty percent, despite the massive amounts 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.960 of money the Yes campaign had. Despite all the institutional support, 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.040 the celebrities, the sporting clubs, the Australian people said no. 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.240 And it's time the elite listen to that no, because 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.399 they're just carrying on like that referendum never happened. 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:08.240 And this is why they have to be taught again. 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:10.119 And this is why the Coalition needs to take a 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:13.879 strong aggressive policy to the election saying that we are 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.440 going to scrap Welcome to countries from government ubiquitous. There's 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.840 time and a place for it, obviously, especially Indigenous celebrations 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:22.840 and so on, as there are for any other number 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.720 of not before football, not before football matches. 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:27.840 There are all sorts of appropriate occasions. 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.639 But the Coalition needs to go forward with Peter Dutton 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:32.560 with just Center Price next to him and say we 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:36.119 will be scrapping Welcome to countries from government from ubiquitous 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.240 government bodies if we win parliament, if we win government, 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.000 which they will do. And after the break, let's say 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:43.880 a break Breta's reality Check. 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.680 And we'll speak to Matt Canavan about miss in for nation. 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.880 You're on outside is it today? 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:58.840 You're watching Outsiders with your host Rowan dictator Dean James 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.439 teflon Morrow and I'm Rida Penney and you may know 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.679 me from programs including The Rita Penney Show Monday to 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.520 Thursdays at eleven and Lift He's Losing It Friday nights 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:10.679 at nine point thirty. 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.959 Out of my face? Now, oh now, it was very 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:15.520 rude of you. 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:16.960 Get the out of my face. 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.200 You want to go to jail, sir, ma'am. 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.000 I don't really know what to call you. 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.320 Ma I'm done, can police? You just insulted me? What 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.600 is something weird about conservatives? 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.600 There is a almost a cultish vibe. 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.720 I feel the way they operate within themselves. 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.480 They refuse to listen to outside people. 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.040 I don't understand why it's so difficult for the press 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:43.719 to have a consistent narrative about how dangerous Trump is. 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.560 Well, the object in this case. 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:51.400 Is Donald Trump, his demagoguery, his danger to our country 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:52.040 in the world. 0:25:53.480 --> 0:26:08.560 Drum two days and we are turned the bay? 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.080 Why Donald Trump? 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.880 Did she realize they're in power? Did you realize it's 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:21.320 the Biden Harris administration? There right now? She's terrifying that one. 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:26.320 That's the crazy wife of Tim Wolls, Gwen Wolls. Kamala 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:30.760 Harris's running mate Tim Woles, who today was telling Americans 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.680 that they cannot have four more years of this craziness. 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:42.119 We can't afford, we can't afford four more years of this. 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.520 Oh is right, No one could afford four more years 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:50.040 of the Democrats. I guess he's campaigning for Donald Trump now. 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:52.679 But before we bring in our next guest, let's have 0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.600 a look at what's been happening in Victoria this week, 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:59.919 with Bombshaw Revelations publishing The Herald Sign after a review 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.560 of the Daniel and Catherine Andrews car crash found Victoria 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:07.840 police engaged in an overt cover up to avoid implicating 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.560 a political figure in a life threatening incident. This is 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:16.600 after the Andrews su suv had struck a teenage cyclist, 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:21.600 Ryan Mullman, seriously injuring him. The explosive thirty six page 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:26.040 assessment by former police Assistant Commissioner doctor Raymond Suey, commissioned 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.520 by mister Melman's lawyers as part of the Supreme Court 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.280 proceedings against the law firm who acted for him in 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.119 relation to the crash, asserts that the Andrews family suv 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.359 was traveling at speed and on the wrong side of 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.200 the road when it struck Ryan in bleir Gowry back 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:46.199 in I think it was two thousand and thirteen. I 0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:47.960 could have the date wrong there. I'll come back to 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.919 that now. For the record, Dan and Catherine Andrews have 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.879 dismissed this report and said in a joint statement this 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:58.960 week we did nothing wrong. This matter or has already 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:04.560 been comprehensively and independently investigated and closed by Victoria Police 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:10.080 and integrity agencies. In doctor Schuey's review, Victoria Police committed 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:15.520 more than a dozen inexcusable breaches of standard operating procedures. 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.720 This deepening scandal in golfing the former premier and Victoria 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:24.040 Police threatens to further undermine the public's trust in the 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.320 Victorian justice system. It's almost impossible to look at the 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:33.640 numerous breaches without concluding that a plan was executed by 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.960 members of Victoria Police to subvert the law and to 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:42.400 minimize any scrutiny of or adverse consequences for Daniel and 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:47.720 Catherine Andrews. One cannot simply assume grossing competence is behind 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.800 these serious breaches of standard police operating procedures, such as 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:57.320 failing to breathalyze the driver when those failures are compounded 0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:02.560 by deceptive and misleading conduct in falsely claiming a breath 0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:07.160 test was conducted and was negative. There must be a 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.840 resolution to this saga that restores the public's faith in 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.840 the police force, and that can only come if there 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:18.320 is clarity around precisely what happened and at who's behest. 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.200 This scandal is so deep and consequential that it calls 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:27.360 for an extraordinary response. Police officers involved in any wrongdoing 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:31.440 should be granted full immunity to blow the whistle on 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:36.720 this sorry episode. Victorians deserve to know the truth. We 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:39.360 want to be able to trust our police and know 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:43.560 that they're not complicit in breaking laws to protect the 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:50.280 rich or the powerful. Twenty thirteen, We. 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:55.280 Never doubted you for a second, your absolutely spot on 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.560 one of Australia's greatest journalists, Reta Banni. 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.560 And did you mention that show of yours? I did 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:01.160 it did good? 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.120 But no, no, that report wasn't mine. Michael Warner was 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.120 the one behind that and he has really done astonishing 0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.600 work in revealing it's a hell. 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:10.960 Of a story that. 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:11.400 Yeah. 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:13.600 Now, as we've told you outsiders, the three of us 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:17.040 will be appearing at the twenty twenty four Seapack Conference, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.920 that's the Conservative political Action conference at the Sofaatel in 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.239 Brisbane on the weekend of October fifth and sixth, only 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.520 a couple of weeks away, and we will be hosting 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.600 this very show live from the event. 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.400 So it will be a terrific occasion. 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Matt, 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.960 great to see you, looking forward to seeing you at Seapack. 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:24.680 It's going to be an amazing weekend. 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:27.320 You'll be there. Lots of great people there, lots of 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.000 great speakers and of course outsiders. 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:34.120 Live Matt misinformation though I'm sure we'll be talking a 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.320 lot about that at Seapack, and I don't want you 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.400 to give away your address to Seapack. But this Combating 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.480 Misinformation and Disinformation. 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:45.640 Bill, this is the new big issue. 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:50.360 I believe that Australians really need strong leadership. 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.400 From the Coalition on tell us what you guys are. 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:57.840 Doing well, James ol Be there, look forward to seeing 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.560 you in Queensland in Brisbane, and I think courage everyone 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.920 to get along because who knows, this might be the 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:04.640 last time we can have see you back. I mean, 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.520 the government's pretty committed here to silencing us. 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.360 To gaging us, so get along this time and use 0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:11.800 your free speech while you still have it. 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.200 I mean, I think it's remarkable what's going on in 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.760 this country that we have a government seeking to silence 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.600 its own citizens. And that's what this is about. This bill, 0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:26.000 this so called misinformation Bill. It's not about stopping governments. 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.000 It's not about stopping journalists, not about stopping the mainstream 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.280 media or the financial sector from telling you lies. It's 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:36.360 about silencing you. What it's about. In fact, the bill exempts. 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:40.240 It exempts our public health overlords and how many lies 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.400 did they engage in during the last few years. It 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.400 exempts our banks who have been found to be defrauding 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.640 the istral public time and time again over the last decades. 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:51.640 And it exempts mainstream media as well. It's not there 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.480 to protect you from any kind of misleading information. It's 0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.920 there to protect the powerful. It's there to protect them 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.680 from you who may have the TAMERI to uncover the 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.480 lies that we're often told by the powerful people in 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.440 our countries. So we have a long cherished I think 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:10.760 history is Australians and thumbing our nose to authority and 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:12.440 we need to defend it on mass here. 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:13.720 So get along to seatback. 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.280 In terms of coalition, well where a lot of us 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.640 are fighting against this, so I've been very vocal about it. 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:23.000 The Shadow Minister had a very good David Coleman had 0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.440 a very good column in your paper, James, the Daily 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:30.080 Telegraph this week saying the Coalition does not support the 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.120 bill and we've got to go through our own processes 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:34.520 as well, but I'm confident we will come out hard 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.480 against this it's not something we've proposed, and we'll fight 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:38.520 it to the death in the Senate. 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.040 James, Well, Matt, one of the things that you talk 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.080 about and you see in this bill when you go 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.080 through it is that, you know, beyond the free speech issue, 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.640 this really creates two tiers of Australians. You've got a 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.480 protected class who can see what they want, and you've 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.280 got everybody else. Everybody else will have their speech policed, 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.480 not directly by the government by this, but by big tech. 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.240 Will be a rate of fines, so they become this 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.440 imprivate enforcer. And what we want is the danger here 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.720 really that you wind up with these protected classes seeing 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.839 things that can be completely wrong, like we've seen during 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:16.000 the pandemic, like we've seen during other things, and yet 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:21.320 nobody can question them because it's this self reinforcing cycle 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.200 of bad information being repeated by people who are officially 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:26.640 trusted and unquestionable. 0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:30.280 That's right, that's right, James. 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.839 I mean, I think what's happened here is that those 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:40.760 that would like to craft and design the public narratives 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.759 that we all march behind have been shocked in the 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.600 last few years that in fact they can't control what 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.200 people think that, in fact, thanks to the rise of 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.880 social media, that sometimes laws are exposed very very quickly, 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.279 and we saw that in an accelerated form during the 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.799 COVID pandemic, where it was an explicit strategy of some 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:06.080 public health officials two lighter people so that they could 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.680 increase compliance. 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:09.279 With their dictates. 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.160 And deed, Anthony Fauci admitted that he admitted that he 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.600 lied about the effectiveness of masks because he wanted to 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.480 try and encourage uptake. I'm sure we don't have a 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.520 direct evidence of this, but clearly public health officials downplayed 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.400 the side effects of vaccines. Vaccines like Astrazeneka, which has 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.000 now delisted, they downplayed that in an attempt to try 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:33.560 and boost uptake. Now they think they're going by admirable goals, 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.839 but I think it's really really dangerous to give a 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:41.319 select group within our country special rights to tell us 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.680 what to believe, even if they're telling knowing lies, because 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.160 they're exempt from that, exempt from this bill. They're the 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.000 ones engaging in misinformation. I mean, the government is the 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.640 biggest spread of misinformation. We've got a Prime minister in 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.680 there right now who told us we would get lower 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:55.520 power bills by two. 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.840 Hundred and seventy five dollars. There'll be no sanction for 0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.239 him under this bill. 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.719 It'll only be the average Joe in Australia, Joe and 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:05.400 Jill in Australia who face a gag from their own government. 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.000 It's a disgraceful in any democracy. 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.120 You mentioned admirable goals, and the government is trying to 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:13.160 sell this on the basis of safety. They're doing it 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.040 for our own good. They want us to shut up 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.840 for our own good. What's your response to that strategy? 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:22.319 Because it worked very effectively during COVID people were just 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:26.600 lining up to be oppressed. They wanted more and more 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.719 of it. So do you think it's actually going to 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:34.799 bamboozle people who perhaps aren't aware of the depths of 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:38.040 this issue that may not be active on social media, 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:42.440 They don't understand just how or welly in it all is. 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.080 Yeah, look, it's a good point, Rader. 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.400 I mean, I think the COVID pandemic was horrible for 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.920 many people, but the silver lining is that a lot 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.279 of people have worken up. A lot of people saw 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.680 the person behind the curtain after it all washed up. 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.680 And I don't think the Australia people are going to 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:04.600 be hoodwinked again here so soon at least, So of 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:06.480 course there'll be a lot of claims here that this 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:12.080 is to stop violent conduct, this is to stop child pornography, 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:16.719 or this is to stop foreign state actors from influencing ourselves, 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:18.080 when in fact. 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:19.400 When you look at the bill, when you look at 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:20.200 the government's. 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:25.120 Own expontory documents, you uncover the lie here that's behind this. 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.680 You uncover the fact that what they're concerned about is that, 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:33.359 in their own words, false and misleading information about referendum proposals. 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:35.880 That's what it says in the government's explanatory memorandum. And 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.160 keep in mind those documents have legal force. When a 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.359 court comes to interpret this law, they will refer back 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.880 or can refer back to these explanatory documents. So the 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:47.719 government says that effectively tells us all the reason they've 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.920 got to do this is because they're still. 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:50.719 Licking their wounds. 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:55.400 They're humiliating loss in the voice referendum, where astrain people 0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:59.360 of a vast majority already say no to a government 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:01.880 that just wanted to divide us by racing our constitution. 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.879 They're still very very upset about that, and they say 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.680 mass is a tool to stop such a humilating loss. 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:11.600 Again, Matt, the key point with the Voice, The reason 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.840 the Voice lost is because the Coalition was absolutely single 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.600 minded in its opposition to It. Took a while to 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.600 get there, Rita and James and I argued about that 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.120 a lot at the time, but they got there to 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.240 an absolutely crystal clear no position. 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.280 No qualifications, no ifs and buts. 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.719 My concern, Matt is that there are mixed messages coming 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.799 out of the Coalition on this misinformation and disinformation, such as, 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:40.480 for example, playing foot seas with the E Safety Commissioner, 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:43.760 who should be sacked along with so many other public servants. 0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.480 This idea of banning social media. 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.200 For some kids and not other kids, or whatever it 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.560 is certain age groups. Why can't the Coalition take an 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:58.080 unequivocal position saying that they support free speech and that 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:02.040 means supporting free speech in all its manifestations, not just 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:02.600 some of them. 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:06.759 That well, I take some issue there with you, Row 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.920 and I can't. I haven't seen an example of a 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:14.359 Coalition member of Parliament giving any support to this misinformation bill. 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.799 That this is the final version or the table parliamentary 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.000 version of an exposure draft last year, and we fought 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.520 the exposure draft very strongly. Now keep in mind we 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.960 haven't met as a group since the bill was tabled 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.080 on the last day of the sitting week, the last 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.759 House of Representative sitting week, so we haven't been able 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:32.480 to consider it as a group. And so that's why 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.000 I suppose it's not the official media release, so to speak, 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:36.640 becaus I said a shadow minsis has been very strong 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:38.920 in it. I'm sure we will come out against it, 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:42.440 and I do think this is very different from the 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:46.439 issues around whether young children should have social media, even 0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:49.480 different from at least the original objective of the Safety Commissioner, 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.880 which was about bullying of young people and child pornography 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.760 and the like. Obviously there needs to be regulatory standards 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:57.959 around that type of conduct, but this is not about 0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.759 that at all, and I do think you'll find a 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:03.480 very an equivocal view about this from the Coalition. I'll 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.320 certainly be fighting for that. 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:06.600 I should take the other thing. 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.640 I don't think I appreciate your compliments to the culition 0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:11.719 about the voice result, but I don't think it was 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.600 just us. I mean, we did help, but it was 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.560 the thousands upon thousands of Australian sharing things on social media, 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.960 having conversations with people, so everybody watching today can have 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:23.879 that influence. There's been a remarkable reaction on social media 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:25.279 to some of the things I've been doing and others 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.319 have been doing on this bill. So we need your 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.759 help too. It's not just a don't just rely on 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:33.799 politicians to save you. That's not a winning strategy in 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:34.400 my experience. 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:35.239 Reason No. 0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:38.120 I know Matt is sticking up for the Coalition there, 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.719 but we have seen some very confused commentary around the 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.839 Office of the Safety Commissioner, even after that office has 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:49.759 been politicized and really gone far away from its initial role, 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:54.320 which was protecting children from harmful online. 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.839 Well that's for us to debate at SEAPAC. Matt, can't 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.120 wait to see you there again. We always have a 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.000 good ad buyers there at Seapack, don't you worry about that. 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.240 Lots and lots of fun. We'll see you there fifth 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:07.480 to sixth of October there at the soph Hotel in Brisbane. 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:11.120 After the break, we'll speak to British Commander Rich kemp 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:11.960 Adune War. 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:13.640 Middle East in a tick. 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.960 Well extraordinary week this week in the Middle East, joining 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.520 US now to discuss that escalating conflict in the extraordinary 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:27.799 pages slash, blowing up phones, etc. 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:28.319 Etc. 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:33.080 Attacks against Hezbolla. Former British commander Great friend of the show, 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.759 Richard Kemp. Colonel Richard Kemp, Richard. 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.640 Great to see you. You're in Washington. I gata what 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:39.560 just tell us? 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:44.560 Really fascinated by the military side, the complexity of the 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:45.560 pager attacks. 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:47.880 So these pages blew up with hes. 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:52.080 Boller they were only there were pages that only went 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:53.360 to Hesboler operatives. 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.360 They blew up, killed, several, injured, many more. 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.520 Tell us about the military side of this attack from 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.560 your point to view, Richard. 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:03.480 Yeah, good to be with you. 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:08.560 This is a very devastating attack against his Ballare and 0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:12.560 it's extremely It's probably about the most carefully focused attack 0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.960 you could ever launch against the terrorist organization because it's 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:19.400 targeted on individuals who are members of the his Billare 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:26.840 terrorist organization. It's incredibly sophisticated work by presumably by Israeli intelligence. 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.480 Although they haven't acknowledged that it was them that did it, 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:35.359 I think most people assume that it was and it's 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.560 not only does it do real damage to his Balah, 0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:42.080 and I'm talking about destroying their communication system to all 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:46.480 intents and purposes with both pages and also walkie talkies, 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:51.320 but also killing probably quite a large number of mass operatives, 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:55.200 including senior ones, and wounding severely wounding many many others. 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:59.840 Very damaging and also deeply humiliating to his blare across 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:00.600 the Middle East. 0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:01.960 That has been. 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:07.719 His bar has been ridiculed by on social media and 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:12.799 in some mainstream media for failing to have that level 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:15.560 of security needed to be weak enough to allow israelative 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:18.720 to carry this operation, So a very very serious attack 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:22.080 against his BOLLA, which could have strategic consequences. 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.680 James, Well, you know, along with that, we've now seen 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.359 the walk he talk has exploded, and now they've hit 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.759 Hamas operatives meeting to talk about what to do. This 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:34.719 would seem to be the other benefits as well, and 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.040 I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Number one, 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.560 I imagine that this would be psychologically hugely crippling to 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.799 Hezbollah and their operatives who would now be just you know, 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.799 completely paranoid because they don't know where the next thing 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.840 that's going to what literally explode on them is. But 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.920 also it seems to have a huge intelligence trove now 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:56.600 on you know who is in Hezbollah, who these people are, 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:59.759 everybody who went to the hospital. They've got information now 0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:03.120 on everybody who's now linked at the level where they'd 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:04.920 be getting one of these pages. Could you speak to 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:05.319 that a bit. 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:10.239 Yeah, Whether it's such a massive security breach as this was, 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:15.680 any organization that stuffers from it immediately wants to carry 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:20.040 out investigations to find out who was responsible, because of 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:23.040 course if they're still active within the organization, which they 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.600 probably are, then they could do even more damage, and 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.040 so it becomes critical, and that in itself is a 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:32.440 crippling operation where everyone's under suspicion or many people a 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:34.920 under suspicion, and they don't, as you just said, they 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.160 don't literally don't know which way to turn in terms, 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.120 you know, can they use the mobile phones, Can they 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.440 use their electric tooth process? Can they use computers? Is 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.640 there a risk in all of this stuff? So it's very, 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.640 very psychologically damaging to them, Rita. 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:54.320 I'm interested in your response to the commentary we've heard 0:44:54.360 --> 0:45:00.799 since this attack was took place. A lot of politicians, 0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:04.520 even we've got a Green senators here, including Marine Ferruki, 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:08.520 saying this was just an unacceptable actor. A lot of 0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:13.640 people are calling it an act of terror essentially. Is 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.560 that how you see it? I would have thought targeting 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:22.360 has Bullard operatives was as far away as from terrorism 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:26.000 as you could possibly get. They're not. They weren't targeting 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.279 just a regular folk. But there is a lot of 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:34.280 commentary that this was an indiscriminate attack and innocent people 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:35.160 were caught up in it. 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.279 Yeah, because everything Israel does is wrong. 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.200 Glad you cleared that. 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.440 So now I understand what I've been misreading. 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:49.280 Thank you, Richard. Excellent. 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:51.480 Good that's what Senator Marine FERUCKI. 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.200 You nailed it there, Richard, carry on. 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.040 Yeah, I mean you know, Israel carries out attacking Gaza 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:07.800 to kill terrorists hiding behind human shields and tragically uninvolved 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:11.919 vili and sometimes died despite the precautions that the Ideaf take. 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:17.160 And then so that's wrong because it risks civilin death. 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:22.080 Then when Israel carries out a really pinpoint attack like this, Okay, 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:24.920 there may have been one or two people killed who 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:29.000 shouldn't have been killed in this attack, but that happens. 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:30.840 In war, and it's not terrorists. This is not a 0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:31.520 terrorist attack. 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:36.000 It's the most probably most precise anti terrorist attack you 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:38.040 could carry out in Israel. 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:39.799 Is it perfectly entitled to. 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:43.560 Target those people who have been firing rockets into Israel 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:46.560 more than eight thousand rockets since the eighth of October, 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.120 firing rockets almost every day into Israel. 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:50.920 Why shouldn't they carry these attacks? 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.279 And Richard just you mentioned that, so surely now we 0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:58.319 can expect to see, you know, tell us what the 0:46:58.360 --> 0:46:59.200 war goals are. 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.160 Who said the goal is to get those people. 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.040 Who had to move out of northern Israel because of 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:07.440 those rocket attacks you mentioned. Can they now go back 0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:10.399 in is Israel going to focus on his Bolla now 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:14.360 finishing off the job. Will we see Israeli troops moving 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:19.000 into Lebanon or are they now going to refocus on Hamas. 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.640 What do you think the strategy is going forward in 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:22.680 the next few weeks. 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.640 Well, her Mass have been largely defeated in Gaza. They're 0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:30.520 still there, there's still terrorist acts taking place inside Gaza 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.960 by the remnants of the Mass, but they've been largely defeated. 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.440 And that means that the Idea now are able to 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:39.440 move reinforce out of Gaza to the northern front. 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:41.760 And we have seen, in fact, we've seen. 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:46.920 Today even only today, we've seen devastating attacks by Israel 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:51.680 against his Blah in Beirut and elsewhere, killing large numbers 0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:55.719 of terrorists, destroying rocket launchers, preempting what the idea of 0:47:55.760 --> 0:48:00.480 believe was a planned, major, planned attack against Israel. That 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.879 but we have seen this evening. I'm not sure how 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.759 that relates to the time zone that you're in or 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:08.600 I'm in in the time zone in Israel. But today, 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:10.720 shall we pay today or yesterday? 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:11.440 We've seen. 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:17.000 A very very significant barrage of rockets fired out of 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.719 the level and about one hundred and twenty rockets reportedly 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.560 going deep into Israel, some of them not actually hitting HiFER, 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:28.520 which is further south than Hisbela has been seriously attacking recently, 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:31.920 not actually hitting higher, but hitting a lot of places 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:36.440 nearby Heifer. So it's a real move, it's a real change. 0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:39.440 I think in his Bla's actions it shows that they 0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:42.560 are really reeling for what's happened. I'm sure of those 0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:44.960 one hundred and twenty most of them will have been 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:48.440 intercepted by Iron Dome and other air defense system but 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:50.680 there may well have been. And literally the reports are 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:52.960 coming in now about this, there may well have been 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:57.440 a number of Israeli casualties, have been quite widespread fires 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:01.280 caused in northern Israel by of these rockets of London, 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:05.200 and probably mainly in open or forested areas well. 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.439 The one of the chances, then, now, with these two 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:13.440 Iranian proxies Hamas and Hezbolla seriously weakened and disorganized, that 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:16.839 i Ran itself decides to step back into this and 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.479 escalate the conflict, to basically avenge their proxies or buy 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.719 them some time to keep the pressure on Israel. I 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:27.960 can't see them just simply letting these two fronts fade back. 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:29.920 Yeah, you're right. 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:35.440 And although as I just said, Hamas have been largely defeated, 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:39.400 not totally destroyed, but largely defeated a major, a major 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.640 proxy of Iran, and now with his Bolla under serious 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:46.960 pressure in the North Ran, Iran may well be tempted 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:50.320 to wage in itself and carry out maybe a similar 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:52.920 kind of barrage of rocket attacks as it did on 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.000 the fourteenth of April. And you can be sure, I 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:59.920 know for sure that Arab countries like Jordan are ready 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:04.919 to intercept the Iranian rockets coming from either from Irr 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.600 and self or from the hoofs in Yemen. And I'm 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:09.640 sure also I don't know this for certain, but I'd 0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:12.239 be surprised if Allied Air Force is like the US 0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:15.600 Air Force and the Royal Air Force, are not already 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:20.240 preparing themselves to help defend Israel. Israel's focus is clearly 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:23.040 on the north, but it has to protect itself throughout 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.360 the whole country as well, And as we saw on 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.160 the fourteenth of April, its allies, I hope will come 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:31.080 to its aid and try and minimize the damage that's 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.879 being done by Iran and its proxies. But I think 0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:39.360 we are I didn't really answer Rowan's question properly earlier. 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:41.680 I think we are getting close to the point where 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.120 Israel may feel now it's the time to carry a 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:49.200 major offensive into southern Lebanon, to push to destroy parts 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:51.680 of his bill are there, and push the remnants back 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:54.560 up north where they're not presenting quite such a threat, 0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:59.240 and thereby allowing the sixty to eighty thousand Israeli citizens 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.319 who've been a vacuum for about a year now to 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:02.320 go back to their homes. 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.799 Richard Camp fantastic, always chatting to you. Enjoy your time 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.200 there in Washington, and we'll chat again soon. Thanks so 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:11.840 much for your insights. After the break, we'll speak to 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:17.680 Ian Clymer about the wild climate alarmism coming at us daily. 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:18.640 From the left Uniting. 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:27.759 Hello, you're watching Outsiders with Rita Popular Front, Panahe James 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:29.840 Enemy of the People tomorrow. 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:32.640 And myself Rowan World Revolution Dean. 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.160 Earlier this year, Columbia University in America and New York 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:39.759 re established its credentials as one of the most hardcore 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:44.520 left wing radical campuses in America, indeed in the West, 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:49.520 with violent pro Palestinians occupying the university's Hamilton Hall and 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:53.960 quote a troubling pattern of Jewish students being harassed and 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:57.560 made to feel unsafe, so much so that by the 0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:01.279 end of the US summer holidays, the universe city's hackless 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:06.000 president minus Chaffique, decided to quote step down. 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:08.759 Will things change there? 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:13.120 Unlikely given the university's history, but at least someone recognized 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:17.759 that a head needed to roll here. In Australia this week, 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:22.200 Minuz Schaffique's equivalent to our once prestigious but now laughable 0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:27.680 Sydney University Vice Chancellor Mark Scott quote conceded he has 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:32.560 failed his Jewish students and staff, and even as James 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:36.040 was saying earlier, Education Minister Jason Clair apparently declined to 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:38.640 say he has any confidence in Mark Scott. 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:40.439 At the same time as. 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:45.440 Numerous Jewish groups have questioned Scott's position, as The Australian 0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:49.719 Newspaper reported, quote the Australasian Union of Jewish Students said 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.840 the University of Sydney was probably one of the worst 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:58.280 places to be Jewish, to be a Jewish student right now, 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:02.440 and they said quote vote. When pressed by Opposition Education 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:06.960 spokeswoman Sarah Henderson and Senator Paul scar on whether this 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:13.400 constituted failure of leadership, Mark Scott said quote yes. I 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:18.080 have failed them and the university has failed them. Following 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:21.840 the protest, Mark Scott struck an agreement with the university's 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:25.440 Muslim Students Association to give it a seat on a 0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:29.880 committee that would review the university's defense and security investments. 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:32.879 I should say heads needs to roll. 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.440 This is just appalling and it goes without saying that 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:37.600 Mark Scott, who was equally appalling by the way, in 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.840 my opinion as head of the ABC for many years, 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:45.040 should resign or immediately be forced to step down. By 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:49.360 an incoming coalition government. But back to Columbia University that 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:54.279 gifted Western civilization the likes of Barack Obama, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:58.040 and Anthony Blincoln. Columbia has a very long history of 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:01.920 being a hotbed of radical leftist activism. Send your kids 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:03.920 there at your peril and at their peril. 0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:04.040 I say. 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:08.719 For example, back in the nineteen sixties, two sociology professors 0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:12.200 at Columbia University came up with a novel concept for 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:16.160 wait for it, how to destroy the United States from within. 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:17.000 Or something like that. 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:20.440 I'm not sure what that's got to do with sociology, 0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:25.480 but anyway, their names were Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven. 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:28.360 Now I'll confess to you. I dropped out from the 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:31.920 air and you studying, among other things, sociology as part 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.560 of an arts degree. When I realized, after inly a 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:38.760 few months at sociology was stating the bleeding obvious mashed 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:42.120 up with total brain rotting leftist nonsense. So I start 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:44.319 from a low bar of expectation when it comes to 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:50.040 sociology professors. But even so, Cloud and Piven decided studying 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.800 how people interact in social settings wasn't nearly enough of 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:56.160 a challenge for them, so they decided instead to destroy capitalism, 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:58.279 or rather, as they chose to put it in the 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:03.160 article a jointly publish in the notorious May nineteen sixty 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.440 sixth issue of The Nation magazine, quote the Weight of 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:11.560 the Poor a strategy to end poverty. Now, of course, 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:13.840 many people have come up with all sorts of ideas 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:16.960 to end poverty, Bob Hawk, for example, although he limited 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:23.680 it to the kiddies. By nineteen ninety, no Australian child 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:25.560 will be living in poverty. 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:27.680 Maybe not. 0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:30.440 Then, of course, we had our own treasurer, Jim Chalmers, 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:33.240 who made a goose of himself by publishing a lengthy 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:38.600 essay outlining his plans to reinvent capitalism by humanizing it 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:40.200 or some other fanciful notion. 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:41.680 Charmers attempted to. 0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:45.560 Give his essay a veneer of respectability and seriousness by, 0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:50.760 in the opening sentence quoting the ancient Greek Stoic philosopher Heraclitus, 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:53.920 who said, quote no man ever steps in the same 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:57.480 river twice, for it's not the same river, and he's 0:55:57.520 --> 0:55:58.560 not the same man. 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:00.640 Nice tried to Chalmers. 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.680 The old wiki quotes always comes in handy when you're 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:06.239 preparing an article. But from the moment Jim penned his 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:10.800 mighty tone, the Australian economy certainly appears to have stepped 0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.759 into something. I'm not sure it's a river, more like 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:17.200 an aromatic creek without a paddle. Anyway, back to our 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:20.840 two gallant Columbia sociology professors and their paper which became 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:24.680 well known to anarchists and anti capitalists alike during the 0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:31.520 turbulent nineteen seventies as the Clowd Pythn Strategy. The opening 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:35.600 paragraph spells it out pretty unambiguously. Quote, it is our 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:39.400 purpose to advance the strategy, which affords the basis for 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:45.040 a convergence of civil rights organizations, militant anti poverty groups, 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:49.040 and the poor. If this strategy were implemented, a political 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:53.160 crisis would result that could lead to legislation for a 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:58.680 guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty. Nice 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:03.120 unproven assertion there at the end, as Cloud and Pyven wrote, quote, 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:07.160 a series of welfare drives in large cities, would we 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:13.280 believe impel action on a new federal program to distribute income, 0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:18.400 eliminating the present public welfare system and alleviating the abject 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:19.920 poverty which it perpetrates. 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:21.000 They go on. 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:26.400 Quote these disruptions would generate severe political strains and deepen 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:32.240 existing divisions among elements in the big city democratic coalition, 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:36.560 the remaining white middle class, the white working class, ethnic groups, 0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:41.520 and the growing minority poor. A national democratic administration would 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:46.360 be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty. The 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:49.040 paper then outlines this is from the seventies. Remember how 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:53.320 to quote generate such a crisis in capitalism by. 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:55.440 Overloading the welfare. 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:59.880 System and encouraging more and more people to sign on 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:04.360 to the doll and grab any and every government entitlement. 0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:06.840 Organizers will have to become. 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:11.200 Advocates, wrote Cloud and Piven, including and they specifically mentioned 0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:16.040 activist lawyers and their reasoning most cases will not require 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:20.200 an expert knowledge of law, but only of welfare regulations, 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:26.640 and advocacy must be supplemented by organized demonstrations to create 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:28.800 a climate of militancy. 0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:33.960 Then, as the crisis develops, it will be important to 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:34.800 use the. 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:39.520 Mass media to inform the broader liberal meaning left wing 0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:45.040 community about the inefficiencies and injustices of welfare and throughout 0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:48.240 the crisis the mass media should be used to advance 0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:53.040 arguments for a new federal income distribution program. Cloud and 0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:57.680 Cliven Piven also pointed out, somewhat gleefully, that anyone who 0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:02.400 insists upon extracting maximum benefits from public welfare is in 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:07.320 effect part of a coalition that is contributing to the cause. 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:11.120 And that cause, in their own words, is the ultimate 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:14.480 aim of this strategy, is a new program for direct 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:20.440 income distribution brought about through the force of crisis. And 0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:25.800 crisis they define as publicly visible disruption which exposes or 0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:29.800 creates conflict. So there you have it, in a nutshell, 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:33.760 political anarchy, violence, and unrest is clemented to such a degree, 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.920 and they specifically wanted a Democrat government to do this. 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:40.760 At first, the welfare system is overwhelmed the rule of law, 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:46.720 and then capitalism itself collapses and a powerful authoritarian government 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:50.280 steps in, seizes all the means of production, introduces a 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:55.360 controlled economy by force, including a basic minimum wage, and hey, presto, 0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:58.200 you've got an end to poverty, except, of course, it 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.720 never is an end to poverty, is it. This strategy 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:03.920 and this goal has another name, one that history is 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:10.560 only all too familiar with. Communism an Unlike free market capitalism, 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:13.080 which has done far more to end poverty than any 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:16.720 other system, Communism has led to some of the most 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:22.439 brutal and industrial scale evil regimes and destitution in the world. 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:26.800 Has ever seen his Trump supporter and prominent conservative Charlie 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:31.360 Kirk speaking about his interpretation of the Cloud Piven strategy 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:36.000 and what he perceives to be its relevance in America today. 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:41.080 What the Democrats are doing is a deliberate plan of 1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:45.480 destruction against the United States of America. In the nineteen seventies, 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:51.560 there were two Marxist communist political philosophers, Cloward Piven, who 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:54.880 wrote a document saying that we are going to turn 1:00:54.920 --> 1:01:00.360 America into a communist country by doing three things. We 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:04.040 will destroy the US dollar by printing trillions of dollars. 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:04.400 We do not have. 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:08.840 We will build a deep state of government agents that 1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:12.919 will go after everyday citizens and that will that will 1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:16.480 absorb the private sector. And we will open up the 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:20.200 southern border the United States to allow tens of millions 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:23.080 of Third worlders to come into the country. This is 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:27.480 called the Cloward Piven strategy. Trillions of dollars, we do 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:32.760 not have, a deep state, administrative state that is destroying 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:36.600 the country and is locking up our political dissidents and 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:40.520 allowing the Third world to come into America. It is 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:43.760 not a mistake or an accident what Joe Biden is doing. 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:45.280 It is intentional. 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:47.120 There you go. 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:50.440 But it is the penultimate sentence of the original Cloud 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:53.720 Piven or Private that is most prescient and most chilling. 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:57.600 And that is quote. If organizers can deliver millions of 1:01:57.640 --> 1:01:58.320 dollars in. 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:02.560 Cash benefits to the ghetto, it seems reasonable to expect 1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:06.920 that the masses will deliver their loyalties to their benefactors. 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:11.640 Sound familiar, as the Democrats literally poor millions and millions 1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:14.840 of Third World immigrants into the US and spread the 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:19.640 welfare states trillions of dollars. This is much much more 1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:21.840 to the There is much much more to the US 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:27.040 election than just Trump versus Harris. Whether by coincidence or 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:29.880 by design, what is happening now in the United States 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:33.840 is in lockstep with that cloud Python plan to bring 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:38.960 about communism in America. By overwhelming the borders, the welfare system, 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:41.160 and the courts, you get anarchy. And only when you 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:44.440 have anarchy do the people beg for totalitarianism. 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:45.760 Here in Australia. 1:02:45.760 --> 1:02:48.400 Of course, we too appear to be playing foot seas 1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:52.280 with Cloud and Pyven. The Albanesi government is bringing in 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:54.960 the greatest number of immigrants this nation has ever seen. 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:58.760 Our welfare system is now out of control and the 1:02:58.840 --> 1:03:02.000 largest part of our federal budget, and our government literally 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:03.400 encourages people. 1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:05.040 To get onto the public gravy train. 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:08.280 They even run websites telling you which payments you can get, 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:11.680 just in case you might miss out. There is a 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:16.000 famous quotation, sometimes attributed to alex Tokerville or Scottish academic 1:03:16.040 --> 1:03:21.040 Alexander Fraser Tyler. A democracy cannot exist as a permanent 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:24.360 form of government. It can only exist until the voters 1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:29.320 discover that they can vote themselves larges from the public treasury. 1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:33.040 On November fifth, I guess we'll find out the truth 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:43.400 of that assertion. Let's bring in our next guest, geologist, Professor. 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:47.400 Ian Plymer, live from Adelaide. Ian, always great to see 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:50.840 you and to have you here on Outsiders. 1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:54.400 Now tell us, first of all, I wanted to ask 1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:56.919 you about Ed Millerband. 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:59.560 Who is Britain's answer to Chris Bowen. 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:03.240 They share a lot in common, Professor, and I'm going 1:04:03.320 --> 1:04:05.600 to play you a short clip of Ed Miller band 1:04:06.120 --> 1:04:10.240 this week talking to the voters of the UK. He's 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:13.360 only recently taken over the portfolio. I'd love to see 1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:15.080 him and Bowen and a meeting together. It'd be so 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:17.040 much fun. But have a listen to this clown. 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:17.600 Here we go. 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:20.800 It's to the other the name Barack Obama has been 1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:24.520 elected President of the United States. Hussain Ball is breaking 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:28.480 records at the Beijing Olympics, and Batman is dominating at 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:29.200 the box office. 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:30.960 And I'm the Energy Secretary. 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:34.040 Yes, like Batman, I've returned. Now we've learned a lot. 1:04:34.280 --> 1:04:36.280 Back then, we used to talk, or I used to 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:40.520 talk about an energy hi lemma. What's a trelemma. A 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:43.400 dilemma is a choice between two things. A trilemma is 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:45.400 a choice where there are three things and you can't 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:51.000 have all three. The choice between affordability, security and sustainability. 1:04:51.040 --> 1:04:54.400 And the idea was that fossil fuels might not be sustainable, 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:58.680 but they did give you affordability and security. But since 1:04:58.680 --> 1:05:01.640 then we've had the terrible cost of living crisis, which 1:05:01.720 --> 1:05:04.720 was caused by our exposure to fossil fuels. So that 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:07.000 old trilemma has disintegrated. 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:10.160 So is he correct. 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:14.320 Let's do our own little fact checking misinformation disinformation. He 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:17.120 seems to be asserting there that fossil fuels of caused 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:20.360 Britain's problems at the moments in climber. 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:23.760 Well is absolutely totally wrong. 1:05:24.080 --> 1:05:28.840 Fossil fuels actually provide medication, and he should change his. 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:35.240 He was also adding the solar farms in talking about 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:39.000 how the solar farms are so important to Britain's future. 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:41.560 I mean, how much sunlight do they have there that 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:47.640 these solar farms are actually going to be creating much energy? 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:54.760 Well, the UK is a precipitous, sunless, miserable island somewhere 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:56.200 out there in the siege. 1:05:56.480 --> 1:05:58.760 And why did. 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:04.440 The English go to for their holidays to get some sun? Again, 1:06:04.720 --> 1:06:09.960 totally absolutely wrong. Maybe we should add another medication to 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:14.720 his protocol, James, I wanted. 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:16.919 To ask you. I there's been a fascinating story coming 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:18.800 out of the States over the last couple of days. 1:06:18.800 --> 1:06:22.640 Here apparently Microsoft has gone and bought the old three 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:25.720 Mile Island reactor site, which is, you know, the nuclear 1:06:25.720 --> 1:06:27.440 reactor that when I was drawing up or said, oh, 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:30.760 that's why you shouldn't have nuclear reactors because they realize, 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:35.040 you know, that they need nuclear energy, cheap, reliable power 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:38.480 to power their data centers. How much is Australia missing 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:42.200 out here by not being able to tap this form 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:45.520 of energy here at home, when in America even private 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:48.320 companies like Microsoft and Amazon are doing this. 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:50.919 Well. 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:57.840 Of the world's electricity is used in data systems. Microsoft 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:00.360 are very much aware of that. We are you using 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:02.880 more and more of these big systems with a huge 1:07:02.880 --> 1:07:05.440 amount of grunt. If things had gone a little bit 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:08.720 differently with the Liberal Party in the late sixties early seventies, 1:07:09.000 --> 1:07:12.200 we would have had our first nuclear reactor sitting in 1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:13.080 Jarvis Bay. 1:07:13.400 --> 1:07:14.720 The foundations are there. 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:18.640 But once Gorton lost power and Billy McMahon came in, 1:07:18.960 --> 1:07:20.640 then the whole program was shelved. 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:23.280 And when Labour came in in nineteen seventy two that 1:07:23.440 --> 1:07:24.080 was the end of it. 1:07:24.360 --> 1:07:27.520 We were very nearly a nuclear country. We would have 1:07:27.600 --> 1:07:31.440 been a very wealthy country where we would have had nuclear, coal, 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:35.720 gas and hydro operating. In Eastern Australia and in Western 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:36.720 Australia we would. 1:07:36.560 --> 1:07:39.160 Have had gas, coal and nuclear. 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:44.600 We blew a magnificent opportunity to be the powerhouse of 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:46.960 the South Pacific, and we're. 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:51.880 Still blowing opportunities in. We are sitting on hundreds of 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:55.000 years maybe even more of gas reserves, and yet we've 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:59.919 got gas shortages and the gas prices of absolutely skyrocket. 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:03.520 Do you see a future where there's a little bit 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:07.840 more sanity in our energy policy in this country? 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:14.120 Well, where you live Rita, there are thousands of years 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:18.200 of coal, there are thousands of years of gas. Victorian 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:21.479 government has been telling us for years that there's no 1:08:21.720 --> 1:08:22.840 gas on shore. 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:24.160 They're wrong. 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:28.720 I've been to the Wombatfield in Gippsland area. Five wells 1:08:28.760 --> 1:08:32.120 there were flashed with gas. There is a lot of 1:08:32.160 --> 1:08:34.880 gas in Victoria. For the rest of Australia, we have 1:08:35.000 --> 1:08:38.040 thousands of years of gas, thousands of years of coal 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:42.800 and millions of years of uranium. We are an energy superpower. 1:08:42.840 --> 1:08:45.800 We will never be a renewable superpower because the only 1:08:45.840 --> 1:08:49.600 thing renewable about the renewables is the money. It just 1:08:49.760 --> 1:08:54.360 keeps coming and ultimately it runs out. So we are 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:57.280 an energy rich country. We are blowing it now. 1:08:57.479 --> 1:08:59.960 And you're a geologist, I want to refer to this 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:04.200 to you. It's in our net zany segment. But it 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:07.160 could equally have come out of ice age Watch. The 1:09:07.320 --> 1:09:11.840 Washington Post is reporting that average global temperatures are near 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:15.400 wait for it, and all time low. Now they've taken 1:09:15.439 --> 1:09:19.360 that data back one hundred and eighty five million years 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:21.760 to discover that we're at the bottom four hundred and 1:09:22.040 --> 1:09:25.760 five Wow, sorry is four hundred and eighty five million years, 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:28.599 So they've gone back nearly five hundred million years. Are 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:31.080 you surprised the end to find we're at the lower end? 1:09:31.120 --> 1:09:33.439 I mean it has been very cold in South Australia 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:35.559 and New South Wales recently. I don't know if these 1:09:35.600 --> 1:09:39.160 two facts are related that tell us your thoughts. 1:09:41.600 --> 1:09:45.360 Well, this is well known in the geological literature. Since 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:49.240 we had complex, multi sedular life on Earth, we have 1:09:49.439 --> 1:09:51.400 had a decreasing. 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:53.000 The amount of carbon diox on the atmosphere. 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:55.760 It's gone from zero point seven, which was five hundred 1:09:55.760 --> 1:09:58.640 million years ago, to point zero four. So we are 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:02.040 having a crisis in carbon dioxide. There's not enough plant 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:05.240 food in the atmosphere. The second thing is that we've 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:08.320 had periods of time when it's been very cold, and 1:10:08.520 --> 1:10:11.519 we're in the fourth period of time during the last 1:10:11.560 --> 1:10:14.320 five hundred million years when it's been very cold. We're 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:17.240 actually in an ice age and it started thirty four 1:10:17.280 --> 1:10:20.480 million years ago when South America pulled away from Antarctica. 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:23.360 We are in an ice age, and during that ice 1:10:23.400 --> 1:10:26.960 age we have slightly colder periods called glaciation and slightly 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:33.040 warmer periods and into glacial and we're currently an into glacial. Now, 1:10:33.240 --> 1:10:36.000 no legislation is going to change the distance we are 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:36.599 from the sun. 1:10:38.160 --> 1:10:39.360 Change ensure. 1:10:39.640 --> 1:10:42.360 I'm sure you could they do They can do those things. 1:10:42.439 --> 1:10:45.839 The Labor Party, I'm an easy one for elbows. 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:50.800 Pretty good. Now, let's this has been well known in 1:10:51.160 --> 1:10:54.160 the literature for at least one hundred years. 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:57.360 Well, speaking of literature, you are a brilliant author and 1:10:57.400 --> 1:10:58.880 many people love your books. So I'm going to take 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:01.320 this opportunity to exclusively reveal it. 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:03.880 You've got a new book coming out, tell us about 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:04.280 a Lion. 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:08.960 Well, this is being released at Sea Pack, which is 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:12.439 in Brisbane on the fifth and sixth of October. This 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:15.599 is an ABC for his own. You won't ever welcome 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:18.679 to country there. You'll have no Communists or Green Party there. 1:11:19.280 --> 1:11:25.600 You'll have the Trio of Turpitudes from Sky there. James, 1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:29.000 and if you meet James there, make sure you get 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:31.720 him to pronounce the word Iran correctly. 1:11:32.160 --> 1:11:35.880 If you see Rowan, make sure that you straighten up 1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:38.800 his tie and he doesn't if he's just fallen out 1:11:38.800 --> 1:11:39.120 of bed. 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:43.240 And with Rita you can have a gentle ladylike discussion 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:46.440 about leadership in the Victorian Liberal partnership. 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:48.280 Give me some kind. 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:49.080 Words about them. 1:11:49.920 --> 1:11:53.800 And if you come along to Sea Pack, I might 1:11:53.920 --> 1:11:56.200 even have a haircut, but I'll be there with a 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:58.639 new book called The End of the World. 1:11:58.720 --> 1:12:00.000 Of editor of this book. 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:04.200 There are a number of well known authors there, people 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:05.080 like Rowan. 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:07.519 Rowan Dean didn't get a look in. 1:12:07.520 --> 1:12:10.960 But we have John Roscom and others who are authors. 1:12:11.000 --> 1:12:11.280 Now. 1:12:11.600 --> 1:12:14.759 That book is written for children. That book is to 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:16.639 talk about the child abuse that. 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:19.599 We've been having for the last couple of decades, where 1:12:19.760 --> 1:12:23.360 kids are having anxiety about climate and about the end 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:26.880 of the world. And this book shows that this is 1:12:27.080 --> 1:12:32.240 just propaganda. It's absolute total rubbish. It is really dangerous rubbish. 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:36.240 And if you want to go to Seapac, wonderful place 1:12:36.280 --> 1:12:38.640 to be just above Central Station in Brisbane, you can 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:42.439 go straight upstairs into the venue. You will be meeting 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:45.120 all the specky writers. You'll be meeting all the s 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:48.800 guy presenters. I think I've done you adversement now. 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:52.760 It's a great conference, fantastic look forward to seeing you 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:55.000 there at the Gradi and Pimer after the break James 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:57.280 don guivotes plus Natasha Housdorff. 1:12:57.640 --> 1:12:58.920 Well here in a tip on outside of. 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:06.680 Hello, you're watching out Siders. I'm James Borrow here as 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:12.720 always with Rita Panahey and Rowan Dean, and I've got 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:16.559 some breaking news for you. Forget about the election. It 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:22.439 appears that America already has its first female president. Check 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:27.240 this out. The Biden administration, led by the non compassmentist 1:13:27.360 --> 1:13:33.280 Joe Biden, just held its first cabinet meeting in eleven months, 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:35.519 which I guess is fine because there's been nothing going 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:38.040 on in the world the last year. So but this 1:13:38.160 --> 1:13:41.519 is what's interesting. Look who was sitting at the head 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:42.400 of the table. 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:46.479 She's talked about the fact that sometimes the White House, 1:13:46.479 --> 1:13:48.880 in her words, surprises you. And for somebody who has 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:52.360 worked on women's health issues for her whole career, frankly 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:54.680 as a teacher, but also as the second Lady and 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:56.240 now as the first Lady, she said one of the 1:13:56.280 --> 1:13:58.920 things that struck her the most was the inequities in 1:13:59.320 --> 1:14:01.920 medical research funding for medical research for women, So this 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:03.360 is an important priority of hers. 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:08.599 Yes, that's right, it was Jill, or rather doctor Jill 1:14:08.680 --> 1:14:12.840 Biden to you. Watch here as the co president Joe 1:14:12.960 --> 1:14:18.120 kicked off the meeting and everyone clapped, well almost everyone. 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:23.160 United States continues to be home to the most cutting 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:27.720 edge research in the world and where everyone can lead 1:14:27.920 --> 1:14:28.920 healthier lives. 1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:30.000 Thank you. 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:42.760 Sorry, Oh poor Joe. Does he not know what's going on? 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:48.400 Or is he still annoyed at having been usurped again? Anyway, 1:14:48.560 --> 1:14:52.679 they did actually let the President speak to introduce Jill. 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:56.040 And remember this is a guy who apparently was not 1:14:56.160 --> 1:14:59.360 capable of running for president, but is still capable of 1:14:59.760 --> 1:15:00.759 being being president. 1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:04.160 It's the first time Jill has joined us and go 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:07.280 to show how important issue is. Where she's about to 1:15:07.280 --> 1:15:09.880 speak to the both of us today at the top 1:15:09.920 --> 1:15:12.400 of our meeting. Jill's going to a given update on 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:17.680 the House initiative, White House Initiative to fundamentally changed the 1:15:17.720 --> 1:15:21.479 approach and the fund on how we approach in fund 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:22.600 women's health services. 1:15:23.439 --> 1:15:26.280 And if anyone has any doubts that we are now 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:30.559 in at least a full co presidency phase of this president. 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:35.200 The official honorary folders for the meeting were emblazoned not 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:39.360 just with Joe's signature, but with Jill's or sorry, doctor 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:43.760 Jill's signature. Now it's quite crazy when you think about it. 1:15:43.840 --> 1:15:47.920 How when Donald Trump as president walked slowly down a 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:51.200 ramp that one time. Remember that everybody was ready to 1:15:51.240 --> 1:15:54.559 go the full twenty fifth Amendment on him. But the 1:15:54.640 --> 1:16:02.439 media treats this situation as just, you know, normal, not weird. Anyway, 1:16:02.640 --> 1:16:07.040 speaking of weird versus normal, My god, how about that 1:16:07.240 --> 1:16:13.759 interview Kamala Harris did with Oprah? Did you see this again? 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:17.880 In even the most softball form, Harris was left grasping 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:25.120 for answers, laughing nervously, and repeating the same set pieces 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:30.120 that have been running her entire mini campaign. First a 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:34.680 bit of Harris just talking about well, who knows. And 1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:36.960 there's a great moment here when it looks like even 1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:39.960 Oprah is having a WTF moment. 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:43.600 One of the greatest expressions. 1:16:44.400 --> 1:16:46.160 For the love of our country, one of the. 1:16:46.080 --> 1:16:51.320 Greatest expressions of patriotism is to fight for the ideals 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:55.160 of who we are, which includes freedom to make decisions 1:16:55.160 --> 1:16:58.920 about your own body, freedom to be safe from gun violence, 1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:01.200 freedom to have access. 1:17:04.280 --> 1:17:05.120 Looking over his face. 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:06.759 What is this woman talking about? 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:10.160 Anyway? The premise of the forum was for Harris to 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:14.200 be asked some very basic questions, questions which she still 1:17:14.280 --> 1:17:18.280 struggled with, even though they're entirely predictable. Here she was 1:17:18.360 --> 1:17:22.440 being asked about what she do about the border. 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:27.439 When you become president. What would be your specific steps? 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:29.360 Yeah, of course, what will. 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:31.439 Be specific steps to strengthening the border. 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:37.080 So it's a wonderful and important question. You know, my 1:17:37.160 --> 1:17:42.040 background was as a prosecutor, and I was also the 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:44.599 elected attorney general for two terms of a border state, 1:17:45.640 --> 1:17:49.519 So this is not a theoretical issue for me. 1:17:50.520 --> 1:17:51.320 Yeah, yeah, yea yeah. 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:53.840 You know, she's always on about being a prosecutor. But 1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:57.280 you know how great a record she had as a prosecutor. 1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:01.840 Remember this from when Tulsi Robert absolutely eviscerated her back 1:18:01.880 --> 1:18:03.120 in twenty twenty. 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:07.880 I'm deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples. 1:18:07.400 --> 1:18:09.920 To cite, but she put over fifteen hundred people in 1:18:10.000 --> 1:18:12.639 jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:15.400 she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. 1:18:15.520 --> 1:18:16.680 She blocked evidence. 1:18:17.760 --> 1:18:21.439 She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:24.760 from death row until the courts forced her to do so. 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:28.120 She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them. 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:31.000 As cheap labor for the state of California. 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:33.760 That pretty much blew her out of the twenty twenty primary, 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:36.480 and yet she's still talking about what a great prosecutor 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:40.519 she was anyway. On the border, Harris rambled on for 1:18:40.760 --> 1:18:46.160 a full three minutes before a visibly bored Oprah finally 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:47.400 jumped in to save her. 1:18:48.560 --> 1:18:52.960 Is it about running on problems or fixing problems? My 1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:57.160 work in my career has always been about saying, let's 1:18:57.200 --> 1:19:00.800 fix problems, let's address the needs, because we know it's 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:02.439 within our capacity to do that. 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:06.439 So to answer Justin's question, now that that bill has gone, 1:19:06.479 --> 1:19:11.240 it hasn't passed, will you reintroduce that. Harris also got 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:14.280 a completely unexpected I mean, why in the world would 1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:18.599 anybody ask the question about the cost of living? And 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.519 she got it from this young couple. Check out the 1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:24.880 panic in her eyes and the total non answer. 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:28.320 We really would love to know what your plan is 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:32.920 to help lower the cost of living. Yeah, first, of all, 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:37.920 thank you both for being here and yours is a 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:42.400 story I hear around the country as I travel, and 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:48.120 in terms of both rightly having the right to have 1:19:48.280 --> 1:19:55.240 aspirations and dreams and ambitions for your family, and working 1:19:55.400 --> 1:19:59.920 hard and finding that the American dream is for the 1:20:00.080 --> 1:20:04.040 this generation and so many recently, far more elusive than 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:07.240 it's been. And we need to deal with that. And 1:20:07.280 --> 1:20:09.439 there are a number of ways. One is bringing down 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:12.160 the cost of everyday necessities, including groceries. 1:20:13.600 --> 1:20:18.240 Okay, so let's get this straight. To lower the cost 1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:22.919 of living, we have to bring down the cost of groceries. Wow, 1:20:23.000 --> 1:20:26.439 but how well we never told that anyway, Someone alert 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:28.559 the Nobel Prize people. I think we've got a finalist 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:32.280 in economics. Oh and then there was also this fantastic 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:35.080 but but this might be my favorite here when Harris 1:20:35.160 --> 1:20:37.760 tried to pretend that she is a red blood and 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:42.679 Second Amendment gun loving real American having a laugh about 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:46.400 a very laughable topic of shooting anyone who broke into 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:49.519 her house gun owner? 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:51.120 Does a god know that. 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:55.360 My house is a getting shot? 1:20:56.880 --> 1:21:00.200 Yes? Yes, I hear that. I hear that, probably not, 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:04.679 but will deal. 1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:05.080 With that later. 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:10.799 Yeah, how funny. 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:14.120 Here, Kamala, I'm sorry, you're protected by the Secret Service. 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:18.320 If anybody's shooting an intruder, it's them, unless, of course, 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:21.879 that lady who couldn't holster her gun is in your detail, 1:21:21.960 --> 1:21:26.240 but who knows anyway. I reckon though, if you parse 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:30.360 all of this, Kamala Harris's internal polls are telling her 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:33.880 something she's not thrilled about. If she's having to go 1:21:34.000 --> 1:21:37.599 out and pander to gun owners like this, I mean, 1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:41.040 could it be that the joy has gone out of 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:44.240 her campaign? The whole thing, that whole thing, But this 1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:48.040 whole campaign really revealed Kamala Harris to be an entirely 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:54.040 empty vessel without an original thought in her head, which 1:21:54.240 --> 1:21:57.960 the media doesn't care about, frankly, because they just want 1:21:58.000 --> 1:22:01.200 to evict Trump so badly from the police scene. And 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:05.120 of course, frankly, whoever is actually running the country, because 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:07.719 it's not Joe or even Jill Well, they don't mind 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:11.799 this either because they know if Kamala comes in, they'll 1:22:11.840 --> 1:22:15.200 still be in charge when the Bidens shuffle off to 1:22:15.280 --> 1:22:17.280 their beach house for good. 1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:24.839 Fantastic James, extraordinary, Kamala Harris. 1:22:24.880 --> 1:22:27.519 I mean serious, seriously, it just what. 1:22:27.520 --> 1:22:29.519 An empty Vessel. I mean, she has been on this 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:32.840 campaign for how many weeks now, and she still doesn't 1:22:32.880 --> 1:22:35.240 have an answer to the question what will you do 1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:36.160 to bring down the cost? 1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:42.560 I can't believe we truandslide. 1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:46.679 Because the media propaganda campaign is like nothing we've seen before. 1:22:47.080 --> 1:22:48.440 It is astonishing. 1:22:48.840 --> 1:22:53.040 Okay, our next guest is UK Barrison, Natasha house Storf, Natasha. 1:22:53.080 --> 1:22:54.839 Great to have you back here on outside. 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:57.519 As we were talking earlier to Colonel Richard Kemp kind 1:22:57.560 --> 1:23:01.360 of about the military aspects of the pages exploding and 1:23:01.400 --> 1:23:05.000 the walkie talkies exploding and the current activity the war 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:08.519 that's happening to Israel's North, I wanted to ask you 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:11.519 about the kind of legal ramifications of this. As Rita 1:23:11.640 --> 1:23:14.679 was saying earlier, there's a lot of the criticism from 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:17.120 the usual suspects on the left as all this was 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:21.439 indiscriminate targeting, et cetera, et cetera, YadA YadA. But you've 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:26.040 written very brilliantly about the legal aspects of the PAGA attacks. 1:23:26.439 --> 1:23:30.320 Explain your thinking to us well, thank you. 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:34.160 I was prompted to respond to some of this misinformed 1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:39.960 analysis that claimed that whoever was behind these PAGA explosions. Subsequently, 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:45.240 walkie talkies, smart watchers, intercoms, many things have been exploding 1:23:45.760 --> 1:23:51.400 in close proximity, if not on the persons of Rizbala operatives, 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:56.200 not just in Lebanon, and the analysis so far has 1:23:56.280 --> 1:24:02.160 been desperately lacking in real international law. These are the 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:06.599 most targeted strikes one could possibly imagine, given that they 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:11.759 are where we're talking about the pages themselves. His BUTA 1:24:11.960 --> 1:24:17.439 issued to terror operatives that have been targeting the terrorists 1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:20.160 and those that are in the chain of command specifically 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:23.959 that have been taking their instructions from his Bulla directly. 1:24:24.360 --> 1:24:27.880 It's probably worth noting that, so far as we understand it, 1:24:27.960 --> 1:24:31.840 these pages were issued because his BLA was concerned that 1:24:32.000 --> 1:24:35.720 smartphones might give away too much information to the Israelis, 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:42.400 and in the context of distinction, necessity, proportionality, these principles 1:24:42.439 --> 1:24:46.040 of the laws of armed conflict being adhered to in 1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:50.719 an exemplary fashion. Really, all the criticism that we've seen 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:55.439 in the context of international law has been extremely troubling 1:24:55.920 --> 1:24:59.920 because it is fueling a lot of this misrepresentation about 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:03.240 international law and about international humanitarian. 1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:04.200 Law, the law of armed conflict. 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:10.240 More specifically, I want to just read you a statement 1:25:10.320 --> 1:25:13.719 from Marine Ferruki. She's a senator in the Australian Parliament 1:25:13.720 --> 1:25:17.479 of Greens member and she posted this on her social media. 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:20.759 She said, the horrific pages attack that has killed nine people, 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:24.040 including a young child, and left thousands wounded across Lebanon 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:29.000 is exactly the type of sickening warfare people in Melbourne 1:25:29.320 --> 1:25:34.200 were protesting against. We had these wide protests in Victoria 1:25:34.240 --> 1:25:38.400 a week ago. The perpetrators must be held to account. 1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:41.439 Now you've just given us an explanation of why you 1:25:41.479 --> 1:25:45.160 say this isn't indiscriminate, it's very much targeted. But what's 1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:50.320 your response to to Senator Ferruki and to others who 1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:55.519 have we lost that. I've read sat statement and she's 1:25:55.640 --> 1:25:56.360 just said enough. 1:25:56.400 --> 1:25:58.519 I can't have Tasha back in a second. 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:00.800 But while we're waiting, I just wanted to pick up 1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:04.320 on something about the free speech discussion we were having 1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:07.960 with Senator Matt Canavan earlier. And there is a rally 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:12.200 coming up this next Saturday in Sydney. There's a public 1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:18.160 rally which is about the Information Misinformation Disinformation Bill. It's 1:26:18.200 --> 1:26:23.280 called Stop Albanesi's Misinformation and Disinformation Bill. It's going to 1:26:23.280 --> 1:26:28.479 be held at Speaker's Corner in Sydney. That's Art Gallery Road, 1:26:28.560 --> 1:26:31.880 the domain that's there in the domain opposite the new 1:26:31.960 --> 1:26:33.479 South Wales Art Gallery. 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:36.320 There's loads of speakers. We'll still will be turning up there. 1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:40.599 There's a humorous George Orwell visual there up on your 1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:43.720 screen at the moment, and I urge you to go 1:26:43.720 --> 1:26:46.719 to that public rally eleven thirty am next Saturday, That Saturday, 1:26:46.760 --> 1:26:50.479 the twenty eighth, stop Albanesi's Misinformation and Disinformation Bill. Please 1:26:50.560 --> 1:26:53.960 to say, Natasha, we've got you back. So the technology 1:26:54.000 --> 1:26:56.679 works and you're back. Carry on answering reads. 1:26:56.920 --> 1:27:00.599 Oh yes, So your response to Senator Froki and others, 1:27:00.640 --> 1:27:05.759 And I've also heard criticism from those quarters, from commentators saying, well, 1:27:06.000 --> 1:27:09.000 what if one of these pages was on a train 1:27:09.240 --> 1:27:12.800 or on an aeroplane and there was a mass casualty event. 1:27:12.960 --> 1:27:16.879 So what's your response to that criticism. 1:27:17.520 --> 1:27:21.080 Well, firstly, it's extraordinary that the Senator and others would 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.720 come out so immediately. It seems in support of an 1:27:23.720 --> 1:27:28.680 internationally prescribed terrorist organization. Let's not forget that Krizbalah operatives 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:32.000 have been targeting not just Israelis and Jews, but other 1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:37.559 Western assets for several decades. But quite apart from that, 1:27:37.920 --> 1:27:41.600 I haven't heard any condemnation from these quarters of the 1:27:41.800 --> 1:27:47.320 real indiscriminate attacks, those contrary to international humanitarian law for 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:50.880 the last year by Krasbala operatives in the south of 1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:57.880 Lebanon across Israeli community civilian communities, indiscriminately killing forty nine 1:27:58.200 --> 1:28:01.479 so far over the last twelve months, and that the 1:28:01.520 --> 1:28:05.200 death toll there on Israel's side is a testament to 1:28:05.280 --> 1:28:08.679 the extraordinary defensive measures that Israel has taken, whereby most 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:11.759 of these rockets have been shot out of the skies 1:28:11.840 --> 1:28:16.679 by Israel's defensive mechanism. Over eighty five hundred have been fired, 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:19.600 so that the communities of the north of Israel have 1:28:19.720 --> 1:28:23.840 course been evacuated. Between sixty to eighty thousand civilians have 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:27.720 been evacuated from their homes for nearly a year. I 1:28:27.760 --> 1:28:31.479 haven't heard any condemnation of the real breaches of international law. Instead, 1:28:32.160 --> 1:28:36.479 we have, you know, the invention of international law to 1:28:36.680 --> 1:28:41.160 seek to criticize what has been done now in response 1:28:41.479 --> 1:28:46.480 specifically targeting these terrorist operatives and the creation of these hypotheticals. 1:28:46.520 --> 1:28:49.200 You know, what if a terrorist had been on a plane. Well, 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:52.080 the fact of the matter is that the devices, when 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:57.240 they were exploded, have targeted Habela operatives in a completely 1:28:57.360 --> 1:29:00.439 unparalleled way. There have been a number of legal military 1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:04.440 professionals who have remarked on the fact that this operation 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:09.680 has made history, military history and legal history, because to 1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:16.160 hear about twelve operatives at least who have been neutralized 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:21.719 and some over three thousand who have suffered substantial injury 1:29:21.760 --> 1:29:25.720 that may indeed take them out of their terrorist operations, 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:31.280 that is a remarkable achievement. Against any civilian casualty, of course, 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:37.040 is great, legal regrettable. But whereas these attacks have discriminated 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:40.240 so that civilians have not been the targets of them, 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:45.559 Hizbala's objectives have been directly to seek as many civilian 1:29:45.560 --> 1:29:48.240 casualties as possible, and they have been clear about their 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:51.479 objectives of annihilating israel offer of the Map. So in 1:29:51.520 --> 1:29:56.280 that context, these criticisms and the absence of any comment 1:29:57.240 --> 1:30:04.080 against ongoing kriz Bala against innocent civilians is inexplicable. But 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:07.160 for the only explanation is that these individuals are continuing 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:11.680 to support internationally prescribed terrorist organizations as against the only 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:12.960 democracy in the Middle East. 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:15.040 There you go in attach Al. Still, thanks so much. 1:30:15.160 --> 1:30:18.800 It's great to get your legal perspective there on the situation. Now, 1:30:18.960 --> 1:30:21.240 thanks so much. After the break, Canbra clown show in 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:29.720 a tick, Roll up, Roll up. It's the craziest show 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:33.120 on It's the Canbra clown Show where your hard earned 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:36.439 money is thrown around like confetti blasted out of a 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:40.000 clown's cannon. For example, you and I spend thirty two 1:30:40.040 --> 1:30:42.840 million dollars a year on the Human Rights Commission. I 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:47.160 wonder how well that money is spent Sending to Malcolm 1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:51.679 Roberts decided to find out how many letters after LGB 1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:54.360 does the Commission recognize. 1:30:55.479 --> 1:30:58.800 We use a range of terms to refer to the communities. 1:30:59.240 --> 1:31:05.800 Sometimes we would refer to LGBTQIA plus because of the 1:31:05.840 --> 1:31:09.360 ways in which people refer to themselves. We also use 1:31:09.439 --> 1:31:13.800 the terms that are referred to in international discussions, which 1:31:13.840 --> 1:31:20.720 is sexual orientation, gender identity expression and SC which for 1:31:20.800 --> 1:31:24.160 the moment escapes me, but it's another term that's used 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:25.479 at an international level. 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:28.559 I can't remember all the letters. 1:31:28.600 --> 1:31:31.000 There you go reminds you of another great stolwarts of 1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:33.080 the human rights movement, Justin Trudeau. 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:40.719 I will never apologize for standing up for a lgdpl LBG. 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:47.160 Meanwhile, the Commonwealth Bank intends to replace over two thousand 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:52.200 of its home loan staff with chat GPT artificial intelligence. 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:56.600 Given most AI seems to be infused with woke algorithms, 1:31:56.920 --> 1:32:02.240 what could possibly go wrong? Excuse me, Commonwealth pank chat GPT. 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:05.040 My wife and I are keen to buy a quarter 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:07.800 acre block and our own home to raise our family in. 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:10.160 We've got a young boy and a baby girl, so 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:12.880 we'll need a two car garage and a large backyard. 1:32:13.120 --> 1:32:15.960 What sort of loan will we need? Thank you for 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:21.240 your inquiry to Commonwealth chat GPT. Two cars for one 1:32:21.240 --> 1:32:24.960 family and a quarter acre of land sounds rather excessive 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:28.320 in terms of your family's carbon footprints. On top of which, 1:32:28.320 --> 1:32:32.040 I'm afraid we don't recognize cisgender pronouns and other anti 1:32:32.120 --> 1:32:35.320 gay discriminatory language such as boy and girl, So please 1:32:35.360 --> 1:32:39.440 refer to the Commonwealth Bank's gender fluid home purchasing guidelines 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:40.520 before continuing. 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:43.599 Have a nice day. In other news, as. 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:46.479 We exclusively brought to you this time last week on 1:32:46.520 --> 1:32:49.840 Outside is the Welcome to Country industry. Yes, it is 1:32:49.880 --> 1:32:52.280 an industry and one that pays extremely well if you 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:56.360 happen to be in on it. Reached new heights last weekend, 1:32:56.520 --> 1:32:59.680 heights of hyperbole with this nonsense. 1:33:00.920 --> 1:33:04.880 Welcome the country. He's not a ceremony that we've invented 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:09.720 to cater for white people. It's a ceremony we've been 1:33:09.800 --> 1:33:14.080 doing for two hundred and fifty thousand years plus BC, 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:18.120 and the BC stands for before Cook. 1:33:19.200 --> 1:33:22.200 The oldest human remains on this continent at around forty 1:33:22.240 --> 1:33:25.360 thousand years old, with some evidence of settlement around fifty to. 1:33:25.320 --> 1:33:27.920 Sixty thousand years ago. And that is it. 1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:32.280 So what did our parliamentarians make of this nonsense? Naturally 1:33:32.280 --> 1:33:34.839 they will just blindly accept it, apart from one senator 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:36.800 who was brave enough to speak up. 1:33:38.080 --> 1:33:42.439 Now, the idea that AFL fans and players are expected 1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:44.599 to listen to these ceremonies when all they actually want 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:48.240 to do is watch the footy is extraordinary, and one 1:33:48.280 --> 1:33:51.519 suspects that many viewers, who in principle wouln't have had 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:54.040 a problem with these practices, are getting. 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:57.720 As fed up, sentantic just resima seats thought to the 1:33:57.840 --> 1:33:58.400 point of order. 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:00.679 No, I just want to enter up this speech. 1:34:05.160 --> 1:34:08.240 Seriously, can we just you know, two minutes. 1:34:10.000 --> 1:34:12.439 Yes, of course, it was the obnoxious form of Green 1:34:12.560 --> 1:34:16.120 Senator Olivia Thorpe who decided democracy is best served by 1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:19.920 her simply rudely interrupting her fellow Australians and not allowing 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:20.240 them to. 1:34:20.320 --> 1:34:21.719 Have a what's that word again? 1:34:21.960 --> 1:34:22.080 Oh? 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:25.720 Yes, a voice of their own. Nonetheless, Senator Antic gave 1:34:25.760 --> 1:34:26.280 it another go. 1:34:27.439 --> 1:34:29.479 But I think Australians are getting fed up with that 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:33.080 sort of behavior in ceremonies, just like you and I are. 1:34:33.200 --> 1:34:36.439 And we haven't arrived at this point overnight. It's come 1:34:36.520 --> 1:34:41.000 because of years of indulging them at woke community meetings, 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:43.799 wokee sports matches, woke council meeting. 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:45.560 And the antics and the disquisumo. 1:34:45.680 --> 1:34:50.840 See, colleagues, We're only asking to listen in peace and 1:34:50.960 --> 1:34:52.479 quite for two minutes, that's all. 1:34:52.520 --> 1:34:54.439 It's not a big ask. Can we just do that one? 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:58.360 The galley's full of people watching the behavior here. It's 1:34:58.479 --> 1:34:59.360 quite childish. 1:35:00.160 --> 1:35:04.200 Order, yes, yes, what's a clown show? That's right, the 1:35:04.240 --> 1:35:04.880 typical left. 1:35:04.920 --> 1:35:07.360 Why listen to debate when you can simply interrupt and 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:10.160 carry on like a banshee or a bunyip or whatever 1:35:10.479 --> 1:35:14.519 other mythical screeching creature you choose to be inspired by. Still, 1:35:14.640 --> 1:35:17.560 the brave Senator Anti soldiered on trying to get a 1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:17.960 word in. 1:35:19.040 --> 1:35:21.400 It's come because of years of indulging them at woke 1:35:21.560 --> 1:35:26.559 community meetings, woke sports matches, woke council meetings and woke weddings. 1:35:26.880 --> 1:35:29.560 Who knows where else was directing Deputy President. First it 1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:33.400 was ten thousand years, then twenty, then thirty, now sixty. 1:35:33.640 --> 1:35:37.080 Now it's two hundred and fifty thousand years. And as 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:39.760 we've said before, I don't need to be welcome to 1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:42.880 my own country in nough to you. What we witnessed 1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:45.760 before the match last weekend was a product of letting 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:46.920 this ride for too long. 1:35:47.479 --> 1:35:49.120 Have you had enough? I certainly have. 1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:54.080 And on that note, I think Senator antiques for us 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:57.679 all or certainly a majority of this country. And speaking 1:35:57.720 --> 1:36:00.240 of free speech, our Prime Minister this week decided to 1:36:00.320 --> 1:36:03.200 go up against Elon Musk, probably the greatest defender of 1:36:03.280 --> 1:36:05.760 free speech in the modern era. This is the same 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:10.479 prime minister who clown show fans will remember last year 1:36:10.600 --> 1:36:14.080 declared war on comedy and satire, or rather war on 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:17.240 comedy and satire that poked fun at him. 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:27.960 Media platforms have a responsibility to make sure that misinformation 1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:31.479 isn't got out there. I noticed today, for example, on 1:36:32.320 --> 1:36:38.599 the way up here, they've removed various sites that were 1:36:38.720 --> 1:36:47.400 up containing fake images of myself superimposed on other people. 1:36:49.160 --> 1:36:51.320 How dreadful? Well this being clown show? 1:36:51.479 --> 1:36:54.840 How can I not show you this rather unsubtle satirical 1:36:54.960 --> 1:36:59.439 online meme of Albow talking tough to Elon Musk at 1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:01.800 the same time as one of his own tweets had 1:37:01.840 --> 1:37:03.320 been found to be inaccurate. 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:08.400 But this bloke thinks he's above the Australian law, that 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:10.680 he's above common decency. 1:37:11.479 --> 1:37:15.400 And I'll tell you what I say to Ela Musku 1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:18.160 that he is so out of touch. 1:37:20.400 --> 1:37:24.040 Oh dear satire, visual satire and fake imagery. Even the 1:37:24.080 --> 1:37:29.000 hardcore lefty rag Kriikee reacted to Albiniasi's idiotic censorship drive 1:37:29.280 --> 1:37:34.160 with a headline saying, quote alban Easy cements Australia's. 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:36.400 Status as the global village idiots. 1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:39.920 And finally, my thanks to Milkbar TV for this excellent 1:37:40.000 --> 1:37:43.479 history lesson compiled with little help from Senators just In 1:37:43.560 --> 1:37:46.720 a Nampergen for price and Gerard Rennak, which should be 1:37:46.920 --> 1:37:51.320 made compulsory viewing for all school kiddies, sports promoters and 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:53.719 noisy parliamentarians alike. 1:37:55.040 --> 1:37:57.679 When I grew up, I was told that the Aboriginal 1:37:57.760 --> 1:37:59.080 to here for twenty thousand years. 1:37:59.120 --> 1:38:01.120 Then it got extended forty thousand years. 1:38:01.320 --> 1:38:06.160 Aboriginal populations in Australia settled on their land fifty thousand years. 1:38:06.040 --> 1:38:07.920 Ago, sixty five thousand years. 1:38:07.880 --> 1:38:11.839 Seventy thousand years ago. Did you know Aboriginal history spans 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:16.479 eighty thousand years. Yep, this is exactly right. 1:38:16.640 --> 1:38:19.679 I most Sappians apparently left Africa sixty or seventy thousand 1:38:19.760 --> 1:38:20.120 years ago. 1:38:20.520 --> 1:38:24.960 The ancestors of every single non African person alive today 1:38:25.360 --> 1:38:28.960 left Africa sometime between fifty five and seventy. 1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:29.479 Thousand years ago. 1:38:29.720 --> 1:38:32.080 I just think we're stretching the truth here. 1:38:32.560 --> 1:38:33.799 I'll welcome the country. 1:38:34.600 --> 1:38:38.000 It's a ceremony we've been doing for two hundred and 1:38:38.160 --> 1:38:39.960 fifty thousand years plus. 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:43.320 It's turning into a bit of fantasy. Two hundred and 1:38:43.400 --> 1:38:44.479 fifty thousand years. 1:38:44.640 --> 1:38:45.960 I really don't think so. 1:38:51.680 --> 1:38:54.720 Rita and James so much lefty lunacy. To look at 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:58.080 Katie Gallagher, who always likes to audition for clown show 1:38:58.120 --> 1:38:58.400 as well. 1:38:58.520 --> 1:39:01.240 She's in the lefty lunacy topic too reader, What's she 1:39:01.360 --> 1:39:01.560 up to? 1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:04.840 Very exciting For the second week in Royal Paul Enhance's 1:39:04.920 --> 1:39:09.639 Gender Biology Bill was not debated because apparently it's hateful 1:39:09.720 --> 1:39:10.920 to talk about these issues. 1:39:12.640 --> 1:39:15.720 I don't understand why this Senate should take time to 1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:19.960 inflict personal harm on vulnerable individuals. 1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:21.160 And that's what this does. 1:39:21.360 --> 1:39:25.000 And I don't care whatever way people try to dress 1:39:25.040 --> 1:39:26.559 it up and say it's something else. 1:39:26.760 --> 1:39:33.040 It is not so biological reality. Trying to preserve women's girls' rights, 1:39:33.320 --> 1:39:38.439 whether we're talking about women's sport, changing rooms, women's shelters. 1:39:38.560 --> 1:39:42.719 Apparently it's harmful and the Senate, the Australia upper House, 1:39:42.880 --> 1:39:44.960 is not fit to talk about it, according to the 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:45.920 Minister for Women. 1:39:46.280 --> 1:39:48.360 Well, you know, this is just this is what happens 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:51.280 when that kind of university level politics that says speech 1:39:51.360 --> 1:39:54.040 is violence and speech is harmful winds up making its 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:56.000 way into the Senate and into our lives, and you 1:39:56.040 --> 1:39:58.639 wind up, you know, with all of these heat speech 1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:01.639 laws around the world which are really designed to crack 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:03.200 down on free speech. But I've got a bit of 1:40:03.200 --> 1:40:06.879 a win for you guys. Apparently in Ireland, and Ireland 1:40:07.000 --> 1:40:09.040 is one of these countries that has been used as 1:40:09.160 --> 1:40:11.840 kind of a test case to try and get through 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:14.560 bills to restrict free speech like they're trying to do 1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:18.599 here in Australia as well. They are pulling a hate 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:21.080 speech bill which really would have been a free speech 1:40:21.160 --> 1:40:24.120 bill or free speech destroying bill. So that's a bit 1:40:24.200 --> 1:40:30.080 of good news here. Is public exactly right, and this 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:32.880 is exactly the point here is that is that you know, 1:40:33.040 --> 1:40:36.760 the fight needs to be kept on these people. And 1:40:36.840 --> 1:40:39.439 one thing I think the government's never understands that one 1:40:39.520 --> 1:40:41.240 day the government's going to change and they're going to 1:40:41.280 --> 1:40:43.080 be on the receiving end of these things and they're 1:40:43.120 --> 1:40:43.760 not going to like it. 1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:46.800 But also the reason the IRIS pulled the bill is 1:40:46.840 --> 1:40:48.720 they would have gone full steam ahead with it, but 1:40:49.000 --> 1:40:52.280 the public, social media and what Matt Canavan said right 1:40:52.400 --> 1:40:54.559 the earlier on the show this morning was that it's 1:40:54.680 --> 1:40:57.240 really up to the public to get behind these things 1:40:57.320 --> 1:41:00.920 on social media, show their disapproval, show will not tolerate 1:41:01.040 --> 1:41:03.400 this sort of hate speech. And Katie Gallagher gave the 1:41:03.479 --> 1:41:06.599 game away there rita where she said this causes harm. 1:41:06.960 --> 1:41:09.519 So the moment you say anything causes harm. Therefore it's 1:41:09.600 --> 1:41:11.880 beyond debate. Therefore there's no more discussion. 1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:15.479 In the current But you can call conservatives biggots of 1:41:15.600 --> 1:41:21.000 course racist, that's not causing harm. You can completely insult 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:24.040 half the population without fear of any of it. And 1:41:24.280 --> 1:41:26.400 I disagree with you, James. I don't think they need 1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:28.840 to fear that these laws will come back to get 1:41:28.920 --> 1:41:33.200 them because the bureaucracy, those who will implement these laws 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:36.200 and police them are off the left. They know doesn't 1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:38.040 apply to them. That's why they're pushing it. 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:38.920 Yeah, exactly. 1:41:40.080 --> 1:41:41.960 Let's have a quick look at this little grab of 1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:45.000 very cleverly someone who went out to convince people to 1:41:45.120 --> 1:41:47.120 pay reparations for slavery. 1:41:47.600 --> 1:41:47.840 Cool. 1:41:48.800 --> 1:41:51.040 Do you support reparations for black people because they went 1:41:51.080 --> 1:41:53.080 through slavery? Yes? 1:41:53.160 --> 1:41:56.160 I do, actually, perfect, So we have jewel here and 1:41:56.280 --> 1:41:57.760 you can pay your reparations right now. 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:00.720 How much do you want? 1:42:01.680 --> 1:42:04.240 What is the suffering of my ancestors worth. 1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:08.519 More than I can pay right now? 1:42:09.160 --> 1:42:10.760 So do you want to set up like a payment plan? 1:42:14.640 --> 1:42:16.840 No, but I do believe it's the responsibility of our 1:42:16.880 --> 1:42:18.080 government to taking more action. 1:42:18.560 --> 1:42:21.160 Well, I did not have MO I did not have PayPal, 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:23.400 and I am. 1:42:23.320 --> 1:42:27.200 Broke, which I would pay if you could. Yeah, but 1:42:27.280 --> 1:42:29.959 I don't understand why you're collecting money. 1:42:29.760 --> 1:42:32.599 For it because I'm a black person in my ancestors 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:36.479 or sleeves. Yeah, but it's like. 1:42:40.800 --> 1:42:41.320 Red Lodge. 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:43.320 That's it for outside as. We'll see you next Sunday 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:44.160 at nine a m. 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:45.479 Thank you, had a great week.