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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle comments and in this episode I speak with Jeff Morgan,

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Speaker 2: a former bank Robert in Sydney's Underworld turned motivational speaker.

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Speaker 1: Ran out on the street to Sydney and that the

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Speaker 1: chaos that already learned became who I become. And by

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Speaker 1: twelve I was locked up and I just walk in

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Speaker 1: like someone's depositing money. Just jump over the top of him,

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Speaker 1: bang run out. On the one day we did eight

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Speaker 1: bank snatches. We've got two one hundred and fifty grand.

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Speaker 1: That day, I'll get to the clinic at Long bayfogoes.

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Speaker 1: Can I try his shoes? And I said, yeah, good,

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Speaker 1: any problem? He put his head down. He might have

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Speaker 1: accidentally slipped onto my foot and fell down. We weren't bad,

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Speaker 1: people were just built bad. Eventually it comes around and

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Speaker 1: you sort of have that realization and there's a better

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Speaker 1: way to life. All right, let's get this on the way.

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Speaker 2: What we'll do is we'll talk about you growing up

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Speaker 2: first in Redford and how you got into all the

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Speaker 2: nice stuff that you did in your life, and so

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Speaker 2: explaining you know, there's just gonna be a brief thing

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Speaker 2: above growing up in Red Fern and what you did

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Speaker 2: from schooling to your first job, and then what got

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Speaker 2: you into crime.

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Speaker 1: I think the first thing growing up on the block

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Speaker 1: Everly Street, red from four streets and in amongst that

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Speaker 1: was dysfunctioned, destruction, chaos, everything that society frowns upon. That

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Speaker 1: was a normal part of how we grew up and

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Speaker 1: I become a byproduct of that environment. For me, going

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Speaker 1: to red from primary school just up the road, filled

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Speaker 1: with original kids. Our greatest goal was to be the

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Speaker 1: best criminal, to be the best money maker, sleep with

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Speaker 1: the most women. And that was probably the biggest goals

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Speaker 1: we had growing up as a young kid from the

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Speaker 1: age of ten. So I'm seeing my uncle's the community,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, how good is this life? Man? I just

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to where they got to

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Speaker 1: and how do I make this money? And for me

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Speaker 1: it was just you going. It was so diverse. You

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Speaker 1: go back to the block, hected, crazy, everyone punching on

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Speaker 1: the life of just I don't even know how to

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Speaker 1: just just pure chaos. And then you go to school

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it would calm down for

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Speaker 1: at school, You'd have to try and act normal at school.

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Speaker 1: You just put on this mask, you know, the bank

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Speaker 1: robber master that eventually became my life. I suppose in

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Speaker 1: between those two worlds and twelve years of age, father

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Speaker 1: was just physically abusive every single day and I just

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Speaker 1: had enough and said see that, I'm out of here,

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Speaker 1: hung jump out the window, legged it. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think he was abusive towards you. I believe it was disciplined.

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Speaker 1: He's way of the old school way was give you

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Speaker 1: And that was just a normal way of life back then,

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Speaker 1: and that's how he was trying to instill discipline in me.

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Speaker 1: And I look back on it now and I understand that.

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Speaker 1: But when a year young kid at ten years I

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Speaker 1: want my dad to love me, Yeah, it was just

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Speaker 1: a disconnection, ran out on the streets to Sydney, and

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Speaker 1: breaking en up in Newcastle. So saying we'd already started searching,

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Speaker 1: and started traveling around the whole country. Company were just

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Speaker 1: us and I said the doors open, he's coming with me,

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Speaker 2: So you know, when you were growing up in Red Ferns,

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Speaker 2: do you think the older generation, because you said you

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Speaker 2: looked up to some of them, Yeah, absolutely, did they

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Speaker 2: try and entice you to do what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: Oh I suppose, like you know, as you get older,

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Speaker 1: I think they just more so did it, and we

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Speaker 1: That's how you made money. Whereas everyone would be like,

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Speaker 1: Look how he dresses, he's got all the girls around him,

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Speaker 1: he's driving this nice flash car. I'm going to do that.

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Speaker 1: That's what you want to do. And you sort of

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Speaker 1: got the choose your pathway, and it's pretty crazy. You're

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Speaker 1: looking at your pathways. Do you want to be a

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Speaker 1: or are you going to be a bank rower? Are

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Speaker 1: you all to be violent? And people love punching on

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Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, So when you came up as well,

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Speaker 1: what what happened then?

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Speaker 2: Did you just did you feel like when you went inside,

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Speaker 2: when you come back out.

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Speaker 1: I think at that point in time, probably I was

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Speaker 1: too young. I didn't have the name that I had eventually,

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Speaker 1: but I think it was just more like the name

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Speaker 1: well known, So I just piggyback that, you know, And

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Speaker 1: then you'd see something, you know, what's happening, bro, and

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Speaker 1: So we had such a name within the jail system

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Speaker 1: that made it easy for myself and by the time

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Speaker 1: I come out instead of being fear for But you

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Speaker 1: got to remember, I was abused by my father. I

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Speaker 1: It was sort of not a bad thing. It was

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Speaker 1: abused by their fathers, I'd say a lot of them, Yeah, definitely, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of them would have went through what

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Speaker 1: I went through, and it was just a normal way

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Speaker 1: of growing up. You know, you get slapped by your

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Speaker 1: blokes like yourself. You see blokes like that people be

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Speaker 1: It was either you went through crime or sports to

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we had a couple of that went through

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Speaker 1: and they did well in sport. Anthony Mundine he lived

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Speaker 2: You never went to no schooling from I was going

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Speaker 1: And when I say that, it was like on and off,

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Speaker 1: Some days. When I ran away from home, that was it.

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Speaker 1: The schooling was off. Then I'd come back, I'd get

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Speaker 1: how it sort of panned out. Every time I got bail,

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Speaker 1: I was doing it for three months, two months, six months.

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Speaker 1: for more than twice. To be honest with you, back then,

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Speaker 1: just and they were bashonists, Aboriginal people just gone through

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Speaker 1: was a bloke named Charlie Perkins who pulled me up

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Speaker 1: in a case. So you think that brick carries a

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Speaker 1: message that you throwed every police car? And I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we shown who's boss aunt. I was young, and he

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Speaker 1: strange you can just merge together. It's changed, you know.

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Speaker 1: Don't try and get caught up in all that bullshit.

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Speaker 1: And I think that for me was very powerful. I

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Speaker 1: though he was the legend of our community, and then

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Speaker 1: flip this a bit. And I started to look at

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Speaker 1: things walking up the lame way, people shooting up, you know,

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Speaker 1: cheering on yeah, smashing bad You know that was your

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Speaker 1: And then you're shaking hands and having a drink or something.

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Speaker 1: After I was like, what is it? This can't be culture, man.

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Speaker 1: So it was just a combination of that realization, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the wrong things. And the wrong things were even

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Speaker 1: the police, you know, years later, if I did the

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Speaker 1: right thing, they're not kicking my door in. But I

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Speaker 1: was just doing the wrong thing at the time. My

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Speaker 1: best wishes if I And what was it about? You know,

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Speaker 1: that was the biggest thing. What are you doing? I

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Speaker 1: was making money? Was it about making money? Or could

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Speaker 1: you do it the legitimate way and have no one

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Speaker 1: kick you do unless you don't pay your tax? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: easy money, let's transition over and that's all I did.

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Speaker 1: I end up saying enoughs enough, man, I want more

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Speaker 1: and definitely want to inspire my community too more. And

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Speaker 1: then I realized it wasn't just my communities. Everyone you

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Speaker 1: can you know, I became so many friends through the

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Speaker 1: And they kept going. They chose to do that. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you were doing the bigger hastes, any

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Speaker 1: to soccer. I represented the country as soccer as a

430
00:19:08,001 --> 00:19:11,481
Speaker 1: young kid. You know, he's got to see me little moments.

431
00:19:11,561 --> 00:19:13,801
Speaker 1: The dad was standing next to him and he said, oh,

432
00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,321
Speaker 1: you're watching your son. He goes, yeah, my son's the

433
00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:18,761
Speaker 1: striker today. He goes, oh that's funny. Usually my son's

434
00:19:18,761 --> 00:19:21,160
Speaker 1: in the midfielder, but he's the defender today. He'll be

435
00:19:21,201 --> 00:19:23,401
Speaker 1: mark and your son and he turned to my daddy goes,

436
00:19:23,561 --> 00:19:25,400
Speaker 1: I was going to have a tough day and my

437
00:19:25,481 --> 00:19:28,121
Speaker 1: dad goes, now, your son's going to have a tough day.

438
00:19:28,481 --> 00:19:31,201
Speaker 1: Sixty minutes in they sub him off and my dad

439
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: turns to him. You guys told you, like I say,

440
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,121
Speaker 1: like those little moments. You know, I suppose as much

441
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,961
Speaker 1: as he died at the time, I was in custody

442
00:19:40,961 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 1: when he died for that seven year sentence for the

443
00:19:43,681 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 1: bank robbery down in Melbourne. But those little moments I

444
00:19:46,481 --> 00:19:49,841
Speaker 1: always cherish to be able to change you then once

445
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,161
Speaker 1: you knew that you were inside, Yeah, I was when

446
00:19:52,201 --> 00:19:54,640
Speaker 1: I was going in, Like I knew I was going

447
00:19:54,681 --> 00:19:56,561
Speaker 1: to change even before I was going in, when I

448
00:19:56,561 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 1: was on be I was like, this is how I'm done,

449
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,401
Speaker 1: and I started to just we ran a mark, done

450
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,161
Speaker 1: a whole heap of crime, got arrested again for other stuff,

451
00:20:05,041 --> 00:20:07,241
Speaker 1: and that was it. I was just like enough enough,

452
00:20:07,441 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 1: made as much money. I was partying every single day

453
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,561
Speaker 1: every matter, was driving around pretty much partying while I

454
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,801
Speaker 1: was driving around, and just I think I was That

455
00:20:17,961 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: was my way of trying to deal with my emotions,

456
00:20:20,721 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 1: whether it's depression or whatever it may be. I didn't

457
00:20:22,921 --> 00:20:26,041
Speaker 1: never I never ever labeled myself, never worried about that.

458
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: Was just like, this will deal with it sweet and

459
00:20:29,001 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: just got loose. And I think it dune me a

460
00:20:31,561 --> 00:20:33,721
Speaker 1: favor because I turned me off at all. I was

461
00:20:33,761 --> 00:20:36,721
Speaker 1: like Oh, this is just lead me down a bad path.

462
00:20:36,761 --> 00:20:39,161
Speaker 1: I don't want that life, man. And as you've seen

463
00:20:39,201 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 1: and I've seen you know, whether it's in the clubs

464
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,521
Speaker 1: and leading to even worse than in the clubs into

465
00:20:44,561 --> 00:20:48,001
Speaker 1: an ice addiction or everyone addiction, just terrible, man, So

466
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 1: dumb your favor? I was it like inside for you?

467
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,881
Speaker 1: Did you? Was it all right because you knew people inside?

468
00:20:54,041 --> 00:20:54,281
Speaker 3: Yeah?

469
00:20:56,241 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: Even when I went as at eighteen, I went in

470
00:20:59,041 --> 00:21:02,001
Speaker 1: and the old trick Can I try issues on? Everyone

471
00:21:02,041 --> 00:21:03,761
Speaker 1: told me that trick right, and I'll get to the

472
00:21:03,761 --> 00:21:06,521
Speaker 1: clinic at Long Bay. Blog goes, can I try his shoes?

473
00:21:06,521 --> 00:21:08,521
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I got problem if you want

474
00:21:08,561 --> 00:21:10,521
Speaker 1: to take him off. He put his head down. He

475
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,161
Speaker 1: might have accidentally slipped onto my foot and fell down.

476
00:21:14,001 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: And then I sat there and and then bloke opens up.

477
00:21:17,441 --> 00:21:19,241
Speaker 1: He goes what happened? And I said, I think he's sick.

478
00:21:19,321 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 1: That's why he come up with the clinic. So like

479
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: you know the wrap bag in yourself. Anyway, long story short,

480
00:21:25,441 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: we're going back to the unit and the bloke's like

481
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,241
Speaker 1: in the unit and come in and he's getting walked

482
00:21:30,281 --> 00:21:33,081
Speaker 1: up through the tear at the Long Bay and he's

483
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: going your dad Morgan in the morning, this, that, and

484
00:21:35,721 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: I was I was like, it ain't ship myself. I

485
00:21:37,761 --> 00:21:40,761
Speaker 1: was like, this bloke hasn't got something, you know, like

486
00:21:40,921 --> 00:21:43,041
Speaker 1: thinking I've got to get something that'll make sure I'm

487
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,961
Speaker 1: ready for this dude in the morning. And then people

488
00:21:45,961 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: sang which Morgans are, and I said, Jeff Morgan. Two

489
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,561
Speaker 1: of my brothers were, and I said, yeah, I'll sing

490
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: you in the morning, buddy, you wait to You got

491
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:58,481
Speaker 1: all bravado and he goes, no, no. I was like, no,

492
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,161
Speaker 1: it's all good, Morgus. We're sort of brother don't worry

493
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,961
Speaker 1: about it, and you know, the rest is history. But

494
00:22:04,281 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: in that moment, before my brothers had spoken up, eighteen

495
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: years old kid, I got in there. It was night time,

496
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: so the lights were down and it was dim in

497
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: that long bit's and old dingy jar. Yeah, you know

498
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,761
Speaker 1: this bog saying wait ten in the morning, and I'm like,

499
00:22:17,441 --> 00:22:19,041
Speaker 1: here we go. We're going to have to deal with

500
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,441
Speaker 1: this lad, and then the rest is history. He's sort

501
00:22:22,481 --> 00:22:24,241
Speaker 1: of going to himself with two other boats at the

502
00:22:24,281 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: point in time, and when I got in there, I

503
00:22:26,281 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: got two sort of bikey old looking bokes and I'm like,

504
00:22:29,001 --> 00:22:31,041
Speaker 1: oh man, and they're like, where are you from? Mate?

505
00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, you're having the conversations and go

506
00:22:34,321 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: I think your brothers. Yes, I said, yeah, they're my

507
00:22:36,001 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: two brothers, and they're like all right, sweat and they

508
00:22:38,201 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: sort of backed off. Who knows what would have happened

509
00:22:40,521 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: if they weren't my two badies. I know that a

510
00:22:43,241 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: lot of other blokes that went through sexually abused, beaten,

511
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: whatever it may have been. So I was blessed, you know,

512
00:22:49,281 --> 00:22:50,921
Speaker 1: to be able to come from where I come from

513
00:22:50,921 --> 00:22:53,801
Speaker 1: and the name that I had or my brothers had otherwise,

514
00:22:54,281 --> 00:22:57,321
Speaker 1: and that sort of probably worked out worse off for

515
00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:00,041
Speaker 1: me because you had no fear of it. Really, you're

516
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: just like whatever, go back in. But did you have

517
00:23:02,721 --> 00:23:05,921
Speaker 1: dark moments in there? Yeah? It fell along absolutely, man.

518
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: Like there's so many times where you think should I

519
00:23:10,481 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: check out? Who would miss me? No one came visit me.

520
00:23:15,241 --> 00:23:18,481
Speaker 1: I didn't have one family member visit me pretty much,

521
00:23:18,521 --> 00:23:22,001
Speaker 1: one in like twenty years. Not even some of your boys,

522
00:23:22,001 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: the crews have even on ground on the floe. Oh no,

523
00:23:24,201 --> 00:23:26,721
Speaker 1: they came to visit me. So yeah, they definitely came

524
00:23:26,761 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: to visit me. I just didn't have that until the

525
00:23:29,201 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 1: last sequence of my last I think my father and

526
00:23:32,441 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: that knew I was going to give up. And his

527
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: sister he came. I had a wife back then, and

528
00:23:38,481 --> 00:23:41,841
Speaker 1: she she was very low, came every weekend. Second time

529
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: I got locked up. I was still with it, and

530
00:23:43,201 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: I said, listen, go and do your think. And she's like, oh,

531
00:23:46,321 --> 00:23:49,241
Speaker 1: you know, I'll stick by. And I said, enjoy life. Man.

532
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: At the time I was twenty seven, I believe, and

533
00:23:52,761 --> 00:23:55,561
Speaker 1: I was going enjoy life. Man. I chose this. You

534
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,201
Speaker 1: didn't choose this. And if you find someone, I always

535
00:23:58,241 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: look after our kids. But you know, I just do

536
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: your thing and I'm not going to put you on

537
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: the visitors this You're not come and visit me. And

538
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: that was pretty much what I did for that seven years.

539
00:24:08,041 --> 00:24:10,681
Speaker 1: And of the seven years she was still around, such

540
00:24:10,681 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: a good little girl. She saying, hey, I'm still here

541
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,961
Speaker 1: if you want to sort something now. Started that back

542
00:24:18,041 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: up and the rest of his history. But it was all,

543
00:24:20,921 --> 00:24:22,961
Speaker 1: you know, I was so used to it. People knew

544
00:24:23,001 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: who I was. I didn't have a fear of anything.

545
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: I never dicked anyone. I was always about how to

546
00:24:28,241 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: me and you make some money, How do I connect

547
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,001
Speaker 1: you with that person. I was a great connector as well,

548
00:24:33,041 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: and connect you used by people because of people wanted

549
00:24:39,721 --> 00:24:41,961
Speaker 1: to do that, I guarantee, and people wanted to as

550
00:24:42,001 --> 00:24:45,201
Speaker 1: you know. And then Robb, you take your and bad

551
00:24:45,241 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: things happen a lot of people that you and I

552
00:24:47,321 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: probably know as and they're not here any longer. And

553
00:24:50,801 --> 00:24:52,921
Speaker 1: some of the things that you hear that happen, it's

554
00:24:52,961 --> 00:24:56,281
Speaker 1: just crazy. So and that's just all he say around

555
00:24:56,521 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: but in general, it's just I just got to a

556
00:24:59,241 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: point where I mean, you know enough enough, man, The

557
00:25:02,281 --> 00:25:04,561
Speaker 1: world was changing, and you look at it now. People

558
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,121
Speaker 1: shouldn't each other for just doing crazy stuff, man, and

559
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,161
Speaker 1: main streets. The new generation coming through now is nothing

560
00:25:12,201 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: like our generation, man. And it's only a matter of

561
00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:17,801
Speaker 1: time before someone in the background gets hit and the

562
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,001
Speaker 1: place is going to cut loose. And I think you

563
00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: always have people that step up and go down that path.

564
00:25:24,441 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: But I just seen it coming. People were ripping peachable off, people,

565
00:25:28,041 --> 00:25:32,321
Speaker 1: robbing people. People couldn't make money themselves, so they were

566
00:25:32,321 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: trying to get you in the hotel rooms or places

567
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,921
Speaker 1: and spaces, and you just got to be smart, as

568
00:25:36,921 --> 00:25:39,561
Speaker 1: you know, be around the right people. And have your

569
00:25:39,681 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: crew and my crew at the time, we're willing to

570
00:25:42,721 --> 00:25:45,321
Speaker 1: do whatever it took, and I trusted them and that's

571
00:25:45,321 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: all we needed.

572
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: But how did you leave coming out of inside for

573
00:25:49,761 --> 00:25:52,161
Speaker 2: so many years and then thinking I'm going to change

574
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,001
Speaker 2: my life around. But then you've got to find legit money,

575
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,201
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? That wouldn't been fucking hard.

576
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: Crazy Like when I was in, I was training all

577
00:26:00,281 --> 00:26:04,241
Speaker 1: the time, super fit, shredded, so I just went on

578
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,801
Speaker 1: be a trainer. When I got to I was always

579
00:26:06,801 --> 00:26:09,241
Speaker 1: at E too, so I couldn't get out of maximum security.

580
00:26:09,241 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: And they said, man, we've got to give you for

581
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: a chance. We're going to give you a chance to

582
00:26:13,201 --> 00:26:16,761
Speaker 1: go through this pathway and you can go through works Release.

583
00:26:16,801 --> 00:26:19,401
Speaker 1: And I're are you joking And they're like, nah, Like seriously,

584
00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:22,281
Speaker 1: We'll let you go through works Release. And when we

585
00:26:22,321 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: got there, they said there's a whole bunch of courses

586
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,241
Speaker 1: and there was a personal training of course. At the time,

587
00:26:26,281 --> 00:26:28,641
Speaker 1: it just come out and I was like, man, I'd

588
00:26:28,721 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: love to do that, and I was fit and just

589
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,761
Speaker 1: made sense. And then I came out the first time

590
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: before that, after the five years, I was using the

591
00:26:37,761 --> 00:26:41,281
Speaker 1: personal training to smother the money. And then the second

592
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: time I came out and said, nah, enough, I'm actually

593
00:26:43,481 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: going to be a trainer. In the process of the

594
00:26:46,201 --> 00:26:49,001
Speaker 1: Melbourne sentence, I did a bachelor's of green nutrition science,

595
00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: so now I was a trainer nutrition is and I

596
00:26:52,761 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: had we trained different in there, and as you know,

597
00:26:55,321 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: you train around the boys that total just you know,

598
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: there's no put them on there ten reps, now do

599
00:27:01,241 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: another ten. Yeah, and you're around those types of lads.

600
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: It's just a diferent mentality. So business when like these

601
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: really quickly. I just embraced myself with that for six years, man,

602
00:27:11,201 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: and the only thing that changed at was my brother

603
00:27:13,481 --> 00:27:16,041
Speaker 1: died by seul so and I sort of started to think,

604
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,041
Speaker 1: oh wait a second, maybe I shouldn't be in this industry,

605
00:27:19,041 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I should be in mental health. And then for

606
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,321
Speaker 1: two years I was sort of doing a lot of

607
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: talks in schools and then into corporate organizations, aboraginal services,

608
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,721
Speaker 1: you name it. And then Sister dies by soul Side

609
00:27:31,721 --> 00:27:34,361
Speaker 1: twenty and eighteen, and at that point in time, I've

610
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: done seventy nine sixty nine talks and I just worked

611
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,921
Speaker 1: out how much I'd made and I went, I can

612
00:27:41,001 --> 00:27:43,321
Speaker 1: just do this, and then I started to do the

613
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: talks and I walk away think and I got more

614
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: to it. So I started to do long term programs

615
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,801
Speaker 1: basically is what I scaled it to and built, you know,

616
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: as the main source income. So it was it was

617
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: a pretty smooth transition, believe it or not. But I

618
00:27:57,201 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: definitely thought about it in there. I said, I can't

619
00:27:59,721 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: go and work for someone because again is real criminal

620
00:28:02,721 --> 00:28:04,721
Speaker 1: history check and they're just not going to give me

621
00:28:04,761 --> 00:28:07,041
Speaker 1: a job. You've got to do something where you build

622
00:28:07,041 --> 00:28:10,081
Speaker 1: it yourself. Fitness was easy. I was fit, loved it,

623
00:28:10,321 --> 00:28:18,521
Speaker 1: read every book ready and he's encyclopedia. I was going

624
00:28:18,561 --> 00:28:19,001
Speaker 1: to be here.

625
00:28:21,441 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: How hard was it when they committed suicide? Did you

626
00:28:24,801 --> 00:28:26,121
Speaker 2: know that they're going to do it? There was any

627
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 2: It's just out of the blue.

628
00:28:28,241 --> 00:28:31,001
Speaker 1: Just crazy man. And I got the message on Facebook,

629
00:28:31,801 --> 00:28:34,561
Speaker 1: sorry about your brother, and I was like, what about

630
00:28:34,561 --> 00:28:39,321
Speaker 1: my brother? And they're like, oh, contact your family, sort

631
00:28:39,321 --> 00:28:41,841
Speaker 1: of the gist of the conversation, and I was like,

632
00:28:41,841 --> 00:28:43,521
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Tommy, tell me, tell me

633
00:28:43,561 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: and then and then I'm trying to ring him no answer,

634
00:28:47,361 --> 00:28:49,041
Speaker 1: ring the family and find out when the last time

635
00:28:49,041 --> 00:28:52,041
Speaker 1: he spoke to me. Before he did that week. I

636
00:28:52,081 --> 00:28:55,081
Speaker 1: think it was probably the day before because he's meant

637
00:28:55,081 --> 00:28:56,801
Speaker 1: to get on a flight back to Sydney. We're playing

638
00:28:56,801 --> 00:29:00,641
Speaker 1: foot up before club. We got in contracted and he

639
00:29:00,681 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: missed a flight and I said, are you coming? What happened?

640
00:29:04,281 --> 00:29:07,161
Speaker 1: And he said, so, you know, I'll get on the

641
00:29:07,201 --> 00:29:09,041
Speaker 1: next one. I said, you're going to get on the

642
00:29:09,041 --> 00:29:10,481
Speaker 1: next one because I book you on. He goes, I

643
00:29:10,921 --> 00:29:13,481
Speaker 1: leave it with me. I've got to do something by Friday,

644
00:29:13,801 --> 00:29:16,281
Speaker 1: you can book it, and just never got there. Man,

645
00:29:17,561 --> 00:29:19,561
Speaker 1: he missed that flight. That was And when I look

646
00:29:19,641 --> 00:29:21,921
Speaker 1: back through his social media, the only thing he ever said,

647
00:29:21,921 --> 00:29:25,161
Speaker 1: he fluff is this hard death must be easier. And

648
00:29:25,201 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: our cousin jumped on and said, talk about that. I'll

649
00:29:28,241 --> 00:29:30,561
Speaker 1: come and smash you, and they actually had a bit

650
00:29:30,601 --> 00:29:33,321
Speaker 1: of a couple of words online. That was the only

651
00:29:33,361 --> 00:29:36,801
Speaker 1: thing he ever said. So the rest was all pretty

652
00:29:36,841 --> 00:29:41,921
Speaker 1: positive photos of him at events and stuff like that.

653
00:29:42,561 --> 00:29:44,321
Speaker 1: So it was just out of the blue. And then

654
00:29:44,681 --> 00:29:48,601
Speaker 1: the sister was just left field. Man. No one expected it,

655
00:29:48,681 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: and especially from her. She was so peaceful, so beautiful,

656
00:29:53,601 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: just everyone loved her. I'd party with her when I

657
00:29:57,281 --> 00:29:59,801
Speaker 1: was a kid. A lot we were very very close,

658
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,881
Speaker 1: so it just yeah, it didn't see him coming, man,

659
00:30:03,121 --> 00:30:06,881
Speaker 1: And it just shows you a I look back and

660
00:30:06,921 --> 00:30:10,281
Speaker 1: I try and replace sentences I've said in peace and

661
00:30:10,361 --> 00:30:13,721
Speaker 1: thought about times together and what they said, and did

662
00:30:13,721 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: they say anything like you try to go back and

663
00:30:16,561 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: replace stuff, but there's nothing really that older said she,

664
00:30:20,601 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, come stay with me. And there was a

665
00:30:22,761 --> 00:30:24,881
Speaker 1: period where my sisters did say, can I come stay

666
00:30:24,921 --> 00:30:26,601
Speaker 1: with you? And I said, yeah, of course, come and

667
00:30:27,001 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: live with me. But I just thought she wanted to

668
00:30:29,801 --> 00:30:33,601
Speaker 1: be around me, and we're training, we're doing things, and

669
00:30:33,641 --> 00:30:36,041
Speaker 1: I didn't take anything of it. I was like, look

670
00:30:36,081 --> 00:30:39,721
Speaker 1: after yourself or stuff of that nature. But looking back

671
00:30:39,761 --> 00:30:42,321
Speaker 1: on it, it is probably her saying, you know, little cry

672
00:30:42,361 --> 00:30:46,041
Speaker 1: out for help and unfortunately just hear it.

673
00:30:46,641 --> 00:30:50,721
Speaker 2: Well in your time before you stop doing all the

674
00:30:51,401 --> 00:30:52,841
Speaker 2: robberies and all like that, how much you reckon you

675
00:30:52,881 --> 00:30:55,041
Speaker 2: make millions?

676
00:30:55,321 --> 00:31:00,441
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah? Millions? Easy? Well probably if you go by

677
00:31:00,441 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: to police documents, not millions. I might be just talking

678
00:31:08,521 --> 00:31:08,961
Speaker 1: to that father.

679
00:31:09,041 --> 00:31:12,521
Speaker 2: But did you when you when you got the money

680
00:31:12,561 --> 00:31:14,761
Speaker 2: and all like that, did you just spledge your partying.

681
00:31:17,001 --> 00:31:19,081
Speaker 1: Like I had some good people around me at the time,

682
00:31:19,121 --> 00:31:22,761
Speaker 1: And if you know, Eric honey Shad would sort of

683
00:31:22,761 --> 00:31:25,521
Speaker 1: point me in the right direction and just around the

684
00:31:25,561 --> 00:31:29,641
Speaker 1: old school fellas Victor Camileary and or old school blogs.

685
00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: But back then when they were all going well, and

686
00:31:33,201 --> 00:31:36,041
Speaker 1: then some of them obviously chose a different path and

687
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:38,801
Speaker 1: turned on people and all of the above. But I

688
00:31:38,841 --> 00:31:40,921
Speaker 1: had the old crew there, so they'd all talked to

689
00:31:40,961 --> 00:31:45,681
Speaker 1: me about Wally Carr and they just say his what

690
00:31:45,801 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: you should do best. And then they put me in

691
00:31:48,521 --> 00:31:52,481
Speaker 1: contact with other people old school, like old old school people,

692
00:31:52,561 --> 00:31:55,521
Speaker 1: and they ended their legs Abe Fron and like all

693
00:31:55,601 --> 00:31:58,121
Speaker 1: that way back when, and it was just a different

694
00:31:58,321 --> 00:32:00,161
Speaker 1: I used some of the money well, but a lot

695
00:32:00,241 --> 00:32:03,361
Speaker 1: of it just went on buying clothes, impressing people and

696
00:32:03,721 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: just bullshit, you know, like no, no, and what are

697
00:32:06,801 --> 00:32:08,881
Speaker 1: you even doing for? What were you? Like? I look

698
00:32:08,921 --> 00:32:10,521
Speaker 1: back when I look at it, I go, what do

699
00:32:10,561 --> 00:32:13,881
Speaker 1: you what do you do it for? Just stupid? I

700
00:32:13,881 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: think a lot of it was, do not think I

701
00:32:15,561 --> 00:32:18,401
Speaker 1: know it was validation that I didn't get from my parents.

702
00:32:18,961 --> 00:32:21,521
Speaker 1: So now that I'm the poorstry if I'm the bank

703
00:32:21,601 --> 00:32:25,081
Speaker 1: rob on the whatever around, Jeff more than this, Jeff,

704
00:32:25,081 --> 00:32:28,561
Speaker 1: more than that. That was how I felt good about myself.

705
00:32:29,281 --> 00:32:32,041
Speaker 1: I know, it's just crazy. And when I finally paused

706
00:32:32,041 --> 00:32:34,081
Speaker 1: to think about I was like, fuck man, please, and

707
00:32:34,081 --> 00:32:38,361
Speaker 1: everybody else unconsciously fuck this. I'm out, you know. Years

708
00:32:38,401 --> 00:32:40,761
Speaker 1: later and I'm done. And even my crew they were

709
00:32:40,801 --> 00:32:43,961
Speaker 1: like when they got arrested, I wish ad your strength,

710
00:32:44,801 --> 00:32:47,641
Speaker 1: and I think that sense was nineteen years was seven

711
00:32:47,801 --> 00:32:51,121
Speaker 1: years on the bottom. Crazy. So if they go back

712
00:32:51,161 --> 00:32:53,361
Speaker 1: in they got I'm pretty sure they got twelve years

713
00:32:53,401 --> 00:32:57,641
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, it's crazy. I've caught up with them

714
00:32:57,681 --> 00:33:00,121
Speaker 1: and they've said, I just wish I had your strength,

715
00:33:00,201 --> 00:33:04,521
Speaker 1: and I just wouldn't be going through this court money

716
00:33:05,481 --> 00:33:08,921
Speaker 1: at this time of life. Only come fifty two this year,

717
00:33:09,601 --> 00:33:12,921
Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking to myself, if I get done again, now,

718
00:33:13,321 --> 00:33:15,961
Speaker 1: say it was to anything, whether it's important, whether it's

719
00:33:16,241 --> 00:33:18,361
Speaker 1: a bank robbery or armor guards, which you couldn't do

720
00:33:18,401 --> 00:33:21,921
Speaker 1: these days. Anyway, you're going to serve ten years. I'm

721
00:33:21,921 --> 00:33:24,001
Speaker 1: going to die in there, and I've seen many die

722
00:33:24,041 --> 00:33:26,041
Speaker 1: and I went, I don't want to die here. So

723
00:33:26,801 --> 00:33:28,321
Speaker 1: there's more life than this place.

724
00:33:28,921 --> 00:33:31,321
Speaker 2: If you could look back on any job that you did,

725
00:33:32,681 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: which one would stand out?

726
00:33:35,121 --> 00:33:37,641
Speaker 1: Oh, probably that you're proud of you.

727
00:33:37,841 --> 00:33:39,321
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I know it's hard to say you're

728
00:33:39,361 --> 00:33:41,601
Speaker 2: proud of doing this, but the thing is that you go, fuck,

729
00:33:41,681 --> 00:33:42,401
Speaker 2: that was a good job.

730
00:33:42,441 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: But the reality is we're on a podcast and we

731
00:33:44,321 --> 00:33:47,521
Speaker 1: give them context to people. I'd definitely say the one

732
00:33:47,561 --> 00:33:50,321
Speaker 1: in Melbourne that we're arrested for because police watched us.

733
00:33:50,521 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: And in the end, I just said to him, I

734
00:33:52,521 --> 00:33:54,281
Speaker 1: know we're being watched and we're going to do something.

735
00:33:54,401 --> 00:33:56,561
Speaker 1: Just trust me. So I went unlocked at this other

736
00:33:56,641 --> 00:33:59,841
Speaker 1: bank and I said, yeah, here, and I'm pointing there

737
00:33:59,841 --> 00:34:02,361
Speaker 1: and I said, and they're like, what if, what's this about?

738
00:34:03,121 --> 00:34:05,361
Speaker 1: Just roll with me? Yeah, this that, And I wasn't

739
00:34:05,401 --> 00:34:07,321
Speaker 1: even saying anything really, I was like, yeah, you know,

740
00:34:07,601 --> 00:34:10,441
Speaker 1: points of things. Anyway, they set up at that bank,

741
00:34:10,641 --> 00:34:14,561
Speaker 1: dog squad helicopter or the SAgs in Melbourne and they

742
00:34:14,641 --> 00:34:17,321
Speaker 1: were all waiting for us at that bank and surveillance

743
00:34:17,721 --> 00:34:19,361
Speaker 1: were following us. I said, we're going to lose them

744
00:34:19,361 --> 00:34:20,961
Speaker 1: at some point in time and we'll go to the

745
00:34:20,961 --> 00:34:23,721
Speaker 1: other bank. So we did a little maneuver on him,

746
00:34:23,801 --> 00:34:26,721
Speaker 1: lost them, and then sure enough they went to that

747
00:34:26,801 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: other bank and they're saying they're not here, they're not here,

748
00:34:29,361 --> 00:34:31,241
Speaker 1: and then the arm went off in the bank at

749
00:34:31,241 --> 00:34:35,361
Speaker 1: Blackburn in Victoria. When we came out of bank, surveillance

750
00:34:35,561 --> 00:34:37,761
Speaker 1: was already there. The police were out the front, and

751
00:34:38,121 --> 00:34:40,561
Speaker 1: I come out and did this. Bloke had driven up

752
00:34:40,561 --> 00:34:42,041
Speaker 1: the gut and put his car at the front of

753
00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:44,081
Speaker 1: the bank to try and block the doors. So I

754
00:34:44,121 --> 00:34:47,041
Speaker 1: come out and I just did the jump up on

755
00:34:47,081 --> 00:34:48,241
Speaker 1: his bottom slide across.

756
00:34:48,281 --> 00:34:48,321
Speaker 2: It.

757
00:34:49,161 --> 00:34:56,561
Speaker 1: Felt like I was duke literally, even because they jumped

758
00:34:56,601 --> 00:34:58,641
Speaker 1: up and ran across it. I just slid across it

759
00:34:59,121 --> 00:35:00,881
Speaker 1: and then just jumped in the car and took off.

760
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:03,601
Speaker 1: We got chased by the motorbike cop who was undercover,

761
00:35:04,041 --> 00:35:06,721
Speaker 1: and then we wound up and them got away with it,

762
00:35:06,761 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: and we were technically we wouldn't have got away because

763
00:35:09,001 --> 00:35:11,321
Speaker 1: they knew who we were and we're going to get arrested,

764
00:35:11,801 --> 00:35:14,201
Speaker 1: but we got away with the money. And I just think,

765
00:35:14,241 --> 00:35:16,281
Speaker 1: you know, to be watched by the police Robert Bank

766
00:35:16,321 --> 00:35:19,281
Speaker 1: and still get away unbelievable and not get shot dead,

767
00:35:19,801 --> 00:35:21,521
Speaker 1: you know, even that on the back end of it,

768
00:35:21,601 --> 00:35:26,561
Speaker 1: And what made you do Melbourne, I don't even remember.

769
00:35:26,601 --> 00:35:31,401
Speaker 1: I came from d C, so I was a white,

770
00:35:31,841 --> 00:35:35,321
Speaker 1: pale like and I was like and they got just

771
00:35:35,321 --> 00:35:37,521
Speaker 1: sleep in the back of Taraga and I was like, oh, man,

772
00:35:37,561 --> 00:35:40,041
Speaker 1: I couldn't be and they're like, sleep away, you'll be

773
00:35:40,081 --> 00:35:43,881
Speaker 1: fresh to the big And then we got down there

774
00:35:43,881 --> 00:35:46,321
Speaker 1: on the Monday and we planned all week so just

775
00:35:46,361 --> 00:35:49,041
Speaker 1: so you know them. And then we as we were

776
00:35:49,081 --> 00:35:51,161
Speaker 1: driving to the bank and we're about I said, we've

777
00:35:51,161 --> 00:35:52,841
Speaker 1: got to lose this. He said, we're going to do it,

778
00:35:53,241 --> 00:35:55,881
Speaker 1: and we worked out a way to do it. Yeah. Anyway,

779
00:35:55,921 --> 00:35:59,241
Speaker 1: long story short, my cold turning to guys, do you

780
00:35:59,241 --> 00:36:02,041
Speaker 1: know the date today? And I said, thank you, thank you,

781
00:36:02,241 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: fuck And he's like, man, it's Friday at the third

782
00:36:04,601 --> 00:36:06,921
Speaker 1: D and it doesn't mean nothing to me. I said,

783
00:36:06,961 --> 00:36:08,761
Speaker 1: means they don't going to get more money or something

784
00:36:08,761 --> 00:36:11,641
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, And when we're sitting in the cells,

785
00:36:11,681 --> 00:36:16,521
Speaker 1: I said, Friday the thirteenth, When did you say that?

786
00:36:16,761 --> 00:36:18,481
Speaker 1: What did you bring it up for? All this? But

787
00:36:18,841 --> 00:36:21,961
Speaker 1: may they knew these robberies have been happening all across

788
00:36:21,961 --> 00:36:23,721
Speaker 1: the country and they were trying to catch what they

789
00:36:23,761 --> 00:36:27,161
Speaker 1: called the sledge hammer crew. They believe we would have

790
00:36:27,201 --> 00:36:30,241
Speaker 1: sledge hammer crew. Well what happened was the car got

791
00:36:30,241 --> 00:36:33,561
Speaker 1: seen at the front of the hotel and BMW M

792
00:36:33,681 --> 00:36:36,601
Speaker 1: five at the time. The latest one seen at the

793
00:36:36,601 --> 00:36:38,961
Speaker 1: front of the hotel. The boys were meant to park it.

794
00:36:39,321 --> 00:36:41,201
Speaker 1: They went down and sort of went to the hotel

795
00:36:41,201 --> 00:36:42,561
Speaker 1: and said what do you want to park it? And

796
00:36:42,761 --> 00:36:45,241
Speaker 1: the copp has seen him. It was funny because they've

797
00:36:45,441 --> 00:36:47,401
Speaker 1: done a U turn. They'd done a U turn and

798
00:36:47,441 --> 00:36:49,921
Speaker 1: then they kept doing this city YouTube and I was like,

799
00:36:50,201 --> 00:36:52,801
Speaker 1: what are you doing in the toarago behind and watching

800
00:36:52,841 --> 00:36:55,361
Speaker 1: it coming down to it. They're just doing these circles

801
00:36:55,361 --> 00:36:58,641
Speaker 1: like this. And then they took what he's doing. And

802
00:36:58,681 --> 00:37:00,841
Speaker 1: then they found the hotel because they said, oh, he's

803
00:37:00,841 --> 00:37:03,841
Speaker 1: any Sydney they'd staying in the hotel here. They said,

804
00:37:03,881 --> 00:37:07,601
Speaker 1: only one bloke this spoke is. They gave our names

805
00:37:08,441 --> 00:37:11,521
Speaker 1: and I said, none of those any Sydney bokes. I

806
00:37:11,681 --> 00:37:14,521
Speaker 1: just spoke here, have a little fake license. And they

807
00:37:14,561 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: just said ran it and said mate, that's the crew

808
00:37:17,521 --> 00:37:20,281
Speaker 1: and put the balance on us for that whole week

809
00:37:20,361 --> 00:37:22,921
Speaker 1: one the surveillance and you still went through the job.

810
00:37:23,001 --> 00:37:25,081
Speaker 1: And I told him, wend a surveillance, we should pull

811
00:37:25,121 --> 00:37:27,481
Speaker 1: the plug. We'll just get done for the car. And

812
00:37:27,881 --> 00:37:29,721
Speaker 1: what do you get for a car? Six months? Twelve

813
00:37:29,761 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: months maybe? And I said, like just pull a bug.

814
00:37:33,561 --> 00:37:35,761
Speaker 1: Biggest thing out of that. Probably I was glad that

815
00:37:35,841 --> 00:37:38,641
Speaker 1: we didn't, because if I didn't and I did the

816
00:37:38,641 --> 00:37:40,961
Speaker 1: twelve months or six months in Melbourne, I would have

817
00:37:41,041 --> 00:37:43,681
Speaker 1: kept going and maybe, you know, you do a big

818
00:37:43,761 --> 00:37:46,521
Speaker 1: job and I end up dead, or end up serving

819
00:37:46,601 --> 00:37:49,561
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years, maybe someone else ends up there or

820
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: something of that nature. So it sort of worked out.

821
00:37:52,681 --> 00:37:55,121
Speaker 1: I worked out in my favor in a weird way,

822
00:37:56,321 --> 00:37:59,841
Speaker 1: and I'm forever, it sounds crazy, forever grateful for being

823
00:37:59,921 --> 00:38:02,401
Speaker 1: arrested down in a different system. Gave you a chance

824
00:38:02,441 --> 00:38:06,441
Speaker 1: to rehabilitate. Put us in the cottages, study the UNI degree,

825
00:38:06,521 --> 00:38:08,801
Speaker 1: and I think it was just that time, you know,

826
00:38:09,001 --> 00:38:11,681
Speaker 1: hit a threshold, where do you want to I was

827
00:38:11,681 --> 00:38:14,801
Speaker 1: in the slot. I had a mobile phone. I was

828
00:38:14,841 --> 00:38:18,001
Speaker 1: going to troll the boys pull it out during lunch

829
00:38:18,201 --> 00:38:20,321
Speaker 1: and I was in a beautiful spot. I dug out

830
00:38:20,321 --> 00:38:23,881
Speaker 1: the actual window sill, made this little key. You would

831
00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:26,001
Speaker 1: never found it. They searched uself. They go, we know

832
00:38:26,041 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: you've got a phone. I couldn't find it. They pull

833
00:38:28,521 --> 00:38:30,521
Speaker 1: it out at lunch, put it in the butter in

834
00:38:30,561 --> 00:38:33,281
Speaker 1: a plastic bag. They come in and they hit the

835
00:38:33,281 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: butter and may it done. I come back from court

836
00:38:36,041 --> 00:38:37,681
Speaker 1: and they got more than this way and I said,

837
00:38:37,681 --> 00:38:39,921
Speaker 1: that's the slot on over there, and he goes, yeah,

838
00:38:40,161 --> 00:38:42,201
Speaker 1: you go on to the slot, mate, found a phone

839
00:38:42,201 --> 00:38:45,961
Speaker 1: in yourself and I was like, oh, anyway, you take

840
00:38:46,001 --> 00:38:48,801
Speaker 1: the rap three months in there and you know, on

841
00:38:48,841 --> 00:38:51,721
Speaker 1: the back of it, I just it was all coming together.

842
00:38:52,041 --> 00:38:55,641
Speaker 1: I got on the truck coming back. We were built tough, man,

843
00:38:55,681 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: but I just broke down crying. I don't even I

844
00:38:59,041 --> 00:39:01,281
Speaker 1: just don't even know. I just had enough and I

845
00:39:01,321 --> 00:39:04,521
Speaker 1: was like, my kids without me, is this the life

846
00:39:04,601 --> 00:39:07,241
Speaker 1: you want? Yeah? And I cried pretty much all the

847
00:39:07,281 --> 00:39:10,001
Speaker 1: way back from Melbourne City to Port Phillip, which is

848
00:39:10,001 --> 00:39:13,961
Speaker 1: about good solid twenty minutes. And then I get off

849
00:39:14,001 --> 00:39:16,441
Speaker 1: the track and they're like into the slot and I'm like,

850
00:39:16,841 --> 00:39:21,201
Speaker 1: probably need the rest anyone laying there? And then four

851
00:39:21,281 --> 00:39:23,921
Speaker 1: wars nothing there, and it just you start thinking, you know,

852
00:39:24,041 --> 00:39:26,721
Speaker 1: everything matter. I could picture girls from the club back

853
00:39:26,721 --> 00:39:29,201
Speaker 1: in the day, what dresses they were wearing. I wonder

854
00:39:29,321 --> 00:39:33,681
Speaker 1: what that girl's name was. Asked, yeah, seem he might know.

855
00:39:33,721 --> 00:39:35,281
Speaker 1: Like do you think stupid shit?

856
00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:35,921
Speaker 3: Man?

857
00:39:36,001 --> 00:39:38,081
Speaker 1: And there's just low level and I was like, do

858
00:39:38,081 --> 00:39:39,801
Speaker 1: you want to keep operating from this level. Or do

859
00:39:39,841 --> 00:39:41,961
Speaker 1: you want to do something with your life? Fifth night,

860
00:39:42,401 --> 00:39:44,761
Speaker 1: there's your way out. Do you want to check out?

861
00:39:44,921 --> 00:39:46,401
Speaker 1: And you go out to the yard for an hour

862
00:39:46,401 --> 00:39:48,001
Speaker 1: a day and I look up at the bars. I

863
00:39:48,041 --> 00:39:50,721
Speaker 1: could do something there. I just jump up and bang,

864
00:39:50,841 --> 00:39:53,361
Speaker 1: jump off it. Yeah. You go through these little thought

865
00:39:53,441 --> 00:39:56,361
Speaker 1: processes and or do you want to get shroughty sentence,

866
00:39:56,441 --> 00:39:58,921
Speaker 1: come out and do something with your life? Which one?

867
00:39:59,161 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Choose one? And then I just went enough enough man

868
00:40:02,001 --> 00:40:05,321
Speaker 1: and walk out of the slot, bump into UNI actually

869
00:40:05,321 --> 00:40:07,601
Speaker 1: goes you want to do a university degree? Mate? You

870
00:40:07,641 --> 00:40:09,521
Speaker 1: look like a smart chap. And I was like, mate,

871
00:40:09,601 --> 00:40:12,041
Speaker 1: you know it, and it gives a look. The rest

872
00:40:12,161 --> 00:40:14,881
Speaker 1: was history. I sort of started that pathway and just

873
00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:17,681
Speaker 1: was different in I talked to all the boys still,

874
00:40:18,001 --> 00:40:20,721
Speaker 1: but just not on the level of mogs want to

875
00:40:20,721 --> 00:40:22,921
Speaker 1: cook up when we get out and I'll connect you

876
00:40:23,241 --> 00:40:25,281
Speaker 1: and a lot of those boys down there, like I see,

877
00:40:25,361 --> 00:40:27,601
Speaker 1: and then they've been, you know, went through all that

878
00:40:27,681 --> 00:40:30,281
Speaker 1: stuff that where people aren't here any longer. A lot

879
00:40:30,321 --> 00:40:33,201
Speaker 1: of blokes we know, you know they're in there. I'm

880
00:40:33,241 --> 00:40:36,001
Speaker 1: probably looking at life for twenty years now at my age,

881
00:40:36,081 --> 00:40:39,121
Speaker 1: same thing and just crazy. I just think I was

882
00:40:39,161 --> 00:40:43,561
Speaker 1: on that cusp of do you keep going and serve

883
00:40:43,641 --> 00:40:46,041
Speaker 1: twenty years end up dead or do you move on

884
00:40:46,161 --> 00:40:50,601
Speaker 1: in life? And what's the biggest regret my kids? Definitely

885
00:40:50,641 --> 00:40:54,001
Speaker 1: my kids, you know, just not connecting with my kids.

886
00:40:54,321 --> 00:40:57,081
Speaker 1: Always hard man like to this day, I don't have

887
00:40:57,281 --> 00:40:59,841
Speaker 1: I don't have a relationship with my son, my daughter,

888
00:41:00,121 --> 00:41:02,521
Speaker 1: same on and off with my daughter and then my

889
00:41:02,601 --> 00:41:05,041
Speaker 1: youngest daughter. I've got a good relationship.

890
00:41:05,561 --> 00:41:07,281
Speaker 2: Why do you think you haven't got the relationship with

891
00:41:07,321 --> 00:41:10,201
Speaker 2: your son? Do you think it's is rebelled? Oh no,

892
00:41:10,601 --> 00:41:12,681
Speaker 2: just things. At the time, we were respectful.

893
00:41:12,761 --> 00:41:16,001
Speaker 1: So the wife had cheated at the time, and we

894
00:41:16,281 --> 00:41:18,401
Speaker 1: made a decision not telling that and just said we

895
00:41:18,401 --> 00:41:20,801
Speaker 1: grew apart. And then when I had a partner eighteen

896
00:41:20,801 --> 00:41:22,641
Speaker 1: months lad, he said, I knew it was all about

897
00:41:22,801 --> 00:41:25,201
Speaker 1: you had a partner and didn't you That's what happened.

898
00:41:25,841 --> 00:41:28,361
Speaker 1: And then she told him and she was she was

899
00:41:28,401 --> 00:41:31,401
Speaker 1: a great partner. She's a great person, great human. Just

900
00:41:31,441 --> 00:41:33,481
Speaker 1: made a bad choice. We're not bad people, just make

901
00:41:33,521 --> 00:41:35,601
Speaker 1: bad choices. We don't have bad days, we just have

902
00:41:35,841 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: bad moments. And for her, she come out and told

903
00:41:40,041 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: him and said oh, you know your dad was right

904
00:41:42,641 --> 00:41:45,761
Speaker 1: in leaving. I don't and he's like, don't lie. You

905
00:41:45,761 --> 00:41:48,521
Speaker 1: know you're saying it because you're trying to stick up

906
00:41:48,521 --> 00:41:51,241
Speaker 1: for him. But by that stage it was embedded in

907
00:41:51,321 --> 00:41:54,201
Speaker 1: him that that's what happened, and just never looked back. Then.

908
00:41:54,201 --> 00:41:56,001
Speaker 1: There was a couple other things how he saw it.

909
00:41:56,201 --> 00:41:59,601
Speaker 1: Me again locked not caring, which is fair enough. You

910
00:41:59,641 --> 00:42:01,681
Speaker 1: didn't care about me, Why should I care about you?

911
00:42:01,761 --> 00:42:05,041
Speaker 1: So I keep sending Texas man, and you just hope

912
00:42:05,161 --> 00:42:07,881
Speaker 1: that one day comes around man and something happens and

913
00:42:07,921 --> 00:42:10,321
Speaker 1: they realize and I've done my best to be a

914
00:42:10,321 --> 00:42:15,081
Speaker 1: better human and definitely try and be a bet twenty eight.

915
00:42:15,121 --> 00:42:17,761
Speaker 1: Now what's it? What's he doing for them? Commerce with

916
00:42:18,161 --> 00:42:24,761
Speaker 1: Westpac as far as I know, but ideas they probably

917
00:42:24,841 --> 00:42:27,641
Speaker 1: kick him out if they hear that. Sorry, don't get

918
00:42:27,721 --> 00:42:33,081
Speaker 1: kicked out. But nah, I didn't. And I'm proud of him, mate.

919
00:42:33,121 --> 00:42:35,201
Speaker 1: He was ducks of his school and it shows you

920
00:42:35,241 --> 00:42:37,321
Speaker 1: like he had the support from me and his mum

921
00:42:37,361 --> 00:42:39,601
Speaker 1: as much as I could when I was there help

922
00:42:39,721 --> 00:42:42,321
Speaker 1: him study, red did what I could. He was duck

923
00:42:42,401 --> 00:42:44,841
Speaker 1: of his school and he was right up there in

924
00:42:45,001 --> 00:42:47,161
Speaker 1: that plan. I think number one in the state around

925
00:42:47,201 --> 00:42:50,241
Speaker 1: that plan, and to hear that shows you that if

926
00:42:50,321 --> 00:42:52,641
Speaker 1: I had the right support when I was younger, or

927
00:42:52,681 --> 00:42:55,761
Speaker 1: it takes is how you program somebody. Unfortunately I was

928
00:42:55,801 --> 00:42:59,041
Speaker 1: programmed that way, but I've come good and you know,

929
00:42:59,241 --> 00:43:01,281
Speaker 1: give him back as much as I possibly can, whether

930
00:43:01,321 --> 00:43:03,721
Speaker 1: it's at a kid level, whether it's at a juvenile

931
00:43:03,841 --> 00:43:09,321
Speaker 1: justice corrections, whether it's a corporate athletes national framework. Obviously,

932
00:43:09,321 --> 00:43:11,521
Speaker 1: now we're business and what we do to be able

933
00:43:11,561 --> 00:43:14,441
Speaker 1: to help people structure their lives or their businesses to

934
00:43:14,441 --> 00:43:17,241
Speaker 1: get really high performances. Just like our bank robbery crew

935
00:43:17,881 --> 00:43:20,601
Speaker 1: in the end, As you know, police didn't respect many people,

936
00:43:20,881 --> 00:43:22,561
Speaker 1: but I know that they bashed the shit out of

937
00:43:22,601 --> 00:43:24,881
Speaker 1: every arm robber that they got doing an armed robbery

938
00:43:24,961 --> 00:43:27,281
Speaker 1: or something. When we got arrested, they just took us

939
00:43:27,321 --> 00:43:30,241
Speaker 1: in the custody and it was like, you operate at

940
00:43:30,281 --> 00:43:33,601
Speaker 1: a different level. And I think the kid thing, helping

941
00:43:33,601 --> 00:43:35,241
Speaker 1: the kid out of the bank, They're like, you know,

942
00:43:35,521 --> 00:43:38,441
Speaker 1: they're not that bad. We weren't bad. People were just

943
00:43:38,481 --> 00:43:41,801
Speaker 1: built bad, and that's you know, eventually it comes around

944
00:43:41,801 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: and you sort of have that realization there's a better

945
00:43:44,481 --> 00:43:47,481
Speaker 1: way to life. Yeah, if you haven't got like that.

946
00:43:47,561 --> 00:43:49,961
Speaker 2: You've said, regrets is your kids, But is there anything

947
00:43:50,201 --> 00:43:53,761
Speaker 2: you would change in them years do differently than what

948
00:43:53,801 --> 00:43:55,961
Speaker 2: you did. Maybe if there's a bank robber that you did,

949
00:43:55,961 --> 00:43:58,001
Speaker 2: be a a job that you didn't do right, you

950
00:43:58,001 --> 00:43:58,801
Speaker 2: could have done it better.

951
00:44:01,481 --> 00:44:05,761
Speaker 1: There's a lot of when you sometimes like just things

952
00:44:05,801 --> 00:44:08,681
Speaker 1: happened the door. I'll say, like I can say these

953
00:44:08,721 --> 00:44:11,881
Speaker 1: stories about what I heard, which could be just here

954
00:44:11,961 --> 00:44:15,841
Speaker 1: say you know, but in general, you imagine sledgehammering and

955
00:44:16,241 --> 00:44:19,161
Speaker 1: the vaults actually so full you can't even get the

956
00:44:19,321 --> 00:44:22,241
Speaker 1: movement you need to stuff for that nature or things

957
00:44:22,241 --> 00:44:23,921
Speaker 1: that bends, and you can see the money, but you

958
00:44:24,001 --> 00:44:26,481
Speaker 1: just can't get the door open in time, and police

959
00:44:26,481 --> 00:44:29,121
Speaker 1: are close by, and people have had to leave and

960
00:44:29,161 --> 00:44:31,921
Speaker 1: stuff with that nature. And as much as people might

961
00:44:31,961 --> 00:44:33,681
Speaker 1: I want to hear this, the reality is there was

962
00:44:33,841 --> 00:44:36,401
Speaker 1: just such a feeling the moment to the point you

963
00:44:36,481 --> 00:44:38,801
Speaker 1: got to think, if please pull up, you could run

964
00:44:38,841 --> 00:44:40,881
Speaker 1: out and get a bullet to the head. And you're

965
00:44:40,881 --> 00:44:42,761
Speaker 1: not even thinking about that. You're just singing about the

966
00:44:42,761 --> 00:44:45,081
Speaker 1: moment of the bank robbery. And I think to be

967
00:44:45,161 --> 00:44:47,961
Speaker 1: in a crew that was well respected within the criminal

968
00:44:47,961 --> 00:44:50,801
Speaker 1: world based around what we did, and even being a connector,

969
00:44:50,841 --> 00:44:53,281
Speaker 1: I connected a lot of people for different reasons and

970
00:44:53,281 --> 00:44:55,641
Speaker 1: made a lot of money there as well. And you

971
00:44:55,721 --> 00:44:57,801
Speaker 1: look back and you think if I could have done

972
00:44:58,161 --> 00:45:00,561
Speaker 1: you know, I always looked at other things. You look

973
00:45:00,601 --> 00:45:04,441
Speaker 1: at things that happen overseas, big armor guarde heist or

974
00:45:05,081 --> 00:45:07,241
Speaker 1: she didn't try and go obviouselyas to do his job. Yeah, yeah,

975
00:45:07,881 --> 00:45:14,081
Speaker 1: I just probably yeah, overseas. I remember being in I

976
00:45:14,121 --> 00:45:17,201
Speaker 1: was in Germany and I still remember, and the lady goes,

977
00:45:17,201 --> 00:45:19,961
Speaker 1: can you mind the shop? Can you mind the shop?

978
00:45:20,121 --> 00:45:22,521
Speaker 1: She said, can you mind the shop? She has I'll

979
00:45:22,521 --> 00:45:24,361
Speaker 1: be back in five minutes. I'm so hungry, And I

980
00:45:24,401 --> 00:45:29,761
Speaker 1: was like, like the back, open the safe. That was

981
00:45:29,801 --> 00:45:33,201
Speaker 1: the old searching days, like searching and distract the shop,

982
00:45:33,281 --> 00:45:36,201
Speaker 1: keep it, go out, open the vault safe and take

983
00:45:36,241 --> 00:45:38,241
Speaker 1: the money locker back up, put the keys back in

984
00:45:38,281 --> 00:45:40,081
Speaker 1: their bag. And they wouldn't even know until the end

985
00:45:40,121 --> 00:45:42,881
Speaker 1: of the day. And I'm sitting there going should I should?

986
00:45:43,161 --> 00:45:43,321
Speaker 2: Nah?

987
00:45:43,401 --> 00:45:45,801
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to be locked up doing

988
00:45:45,801 --> 00:45:47,161
Speaker 1: it during the German winter.

989
00:45:49,041 --> 00:45:49,561
Speaker 3: I mean on.

990
00:45:49,561 --> 00:45:53,401
Speaker 1: Holidays, let's not make it a longer holiday. But like

991
00:45:54,081 --> 00:45:57,281
Speaker 1: just I think Sydney was enough and the one Melbourne

992
00:45:57,361 --> 00:46:00,401
Speaker 1: job was enough and the rest were as I said, Yeah,

993
00:46:00,921 --> 00:46:04,601
Speaker 1: whoever that the crew obviously surge Ham crew. Yeah, they

994
00:46:04,601 --> 00:46:07,001
Speaker 1: had this dotted map and they've done a lot of

995
00:46:07,041 --> 00:46:10,481
Speaker 1: robberies and I suppose you look back on just things

996
00:46:10,521 --> 00:46:12,921
Speaker 1: that could have gone right or better for that crew,

997
00:46:12,961 --> 00:46:16,001
Speaker 1: and no doubt they would have made a lot more money.

998
00:46:16,041 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: And you always see movies like Heat back in the day.

999
00:46:19,361 --> 00:46:21,921
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever watched Heat sorts of

1000
00:46:21,921 --> 00:46:25,641
Speaker 1: movies and you thought about the armor depots or stuff

1001
00:46:25,681 --> 00:46:29,121
Speaker 1: of that nature. Anyway, people that aren't even bank robbers,

1002
00:46:29,121 --> 00:46:31,801
Speaker 1: I armed robbers would think about stuff like that. I've

1003
00:46:31,961 --> 00:46:34,401
Speaker 1: been on other podcasts and like I've always thought about

1004
00:46:34,441 --> 00:46:38,081
Speaker 1: whether I could rob a bank and talking of that nature.

1005
00:46:38,121 --> 00:46:42,161
Speaker 1: But it's a lot of planning. Yeah, a lot of

1006
00:46:42,201 --> 00:46:44,401
Speaker 1: people did it off the cusps. I know you spoke

1007
00:46:44,441 --> 00:46:47,161
Speaker 1: to Russell Manton at one point in time, and I

1008
00:46:47,161 --> 00:46:49,161
Speaker 1: think Russe and It would have done it different too.

1009
00:46:49,561 --> 00:46:51,641
Speaker 1: Not many did it the way we did it we planned.

1010
00:46:51,641 --> 00:46:56,481
Speaker 1: But he wasn't really a big bank robber. Morey drugs running,

1011
00:46:56,601 --> 00:46:59,801
Speaker 1: grab some money from the cashra just like the counters,

1012
00:46:59,841 --> 00:47:02,881
Speaker 1: and run off from there. But in general, what we

1013
00:47:03,001 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: learned a lot of people started to dad, and by

1014
00:47:05,481 --> 00:47:09,521
Speaker 1: that stage they started obviously turned down the opportunity cameras

1015
00:47:09,921 --> 00:47:12,921
Speaker 1: screens coming up. People were caught in the screens. Police

1016
00:47:12,961 --> 00:47:15,841
Speaker 1: were using different tactics and catching a lot of people

1017
00:47:15,841 --> 00:47:18,561
Speaker 1: out your water, saying these clothes out of the house,

1018
00:47:19,001 --> 00:47:21,121
Speaker 1: and then they get you in the bank robbery with

1019
00:47:21,161 --> 00:47:23,761
Speaker 1: the same clothes. So they take your photos there, let

1020
00:47:23,801 --> 00:47:26,361
Speaker 1: you go for the day, and if you showed up,

1021
00:47:27,001 --> 00:47:30,041
Speaker 1: I got charge with that. And for me, they said,

1022
00:47:30,161 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: I only got off the charge because i'd say black

1023
00:47:33,041 --> 00:47:36,721
Speaker 1: pants on, I said horizontal stripes and they were vertical

1024
00:47:36,721 --> 00:47:39,921
Speaker 1: stripes in his thing. He said, well, this folk's got

1025
00:47:40,081 --> 00:47:42,601
Speaker 1: vertical stripes. You wrote horizontal stripes and you don't have

1026
00:47:42,641 --> 00:47:44,641
Speaker 1: a photo of him, but you w rt out what

1027
00:47:44,681 --> 00:47:47,401
Speaker 1: he was wearing. And I got off that charge. So

1028
00:47:48,201 --> 00:47:52,761
Speaker 1: it was yeah, crazy, Well, just a crazy life. Describe

1029
00:47:52,761 --> 00:48:05,521
Speaker 1: yourself in one word. Adventurous, adventurous, fuck crazy. Probably i'd

1030
00:48:05,561 --> 00:48:10,121
Speaker 1: say crazy, limitless, like there's a yes someone you know,

1031
00:48:10,121 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: a hundred people that know me that, and you'd probably

1032
00:48:12,041 --> 00:48:13,281
Speaker 1: get a hundred different I'd.

1033
00:48:13,121 --> 00:48:15,961
Speaker 3: Say crazy suits you, Yeah, you have to be crazy

1034
00:48:16,121 --> 00:48:17,761
Speaker 3: to be crazy to do what you've done and then

1035
00:48:17,881 --> 00:48:20,041
Speaker 3: like you know, as you know, like back in the day,

1036
00:48:20,081 --> 00:48:22,881
Speaker 3: all the boys, yourself, like anyone, you mess around and

1037
00:48:22,921 --> 00:48:23,841
Speaker 3: you find out.

1038
00:48:23,881 --> 00:48:26,361
Speaker 1: Even when I first met H, I was with another

1039
00:48:26,361 --> 00:48:28,401
Speaker 1: bloke and I was talking to a girl and he's like,

1040
00:48:28,441 --> 00:48:30,441
Speaker 1: who's this And I was like, what you got a problem?

1041
00:48:31,761 --> 00:48:36,721
Speaker 1: And we're up the road. What was boss? And then

1042
00:48:36,721 --> 00:48:39,641
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, So just things like that. You had no

1043
00:48:39,721 --> 00:48:41,881
Speaker 1: fear and I was I'm not the biggest bloke. I'm

1044
00:48:41,921 --> 00:48:44,081
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy three CENTI made his tall man

1045
00:48:44,161 --> 00:48:47,801
Speaker 1: five seven, I'm small. But it was crazy because I

1046
00:48:47,841 --> 00:48:51,521
Speaker 1: had no fear, had the heart and do whatever talk man,

1047
00:48:51,721 --> 00:48:53,321
Speaker 1: and I was willing to go to the end. So

1048
00:48:54,041 --> 00:48:56,401
Speaker 1: you get that mentality. As you know, it's just different,

1049
00:48:56,841 --> 00:49:00,721
Speaker 1: different beasts, so I'd say crazy. I want to say

1050
00:49:00,761 --> 00:49:01,881
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on, Jeff.

1051
00:49:02,281 --> 00:49:04,681
Speaker 2: It's very an interesting story mate, And then I'm a

1052
00:49:04,761 --> 00:49:06,441
Speaker 2: pretty shiate you coming on to sharing that with me.

1053
00:49:06,681 --> 00:49:08,681
Speaker 1: Man. I appreciate you having me and all the best

1054
00:49:08,721 --> 00:49:12,681
Speaker 1: with your podcast. Must appreciate it by thanks Man

1055
00:49:27,721 --> 00:49:28,041
Speaker 2: Mm HM