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Speaker 1: The Mariners. You for Finhamsteck what happened?

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Speaker 2: Oh you're right, I don't let us move on a

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Speaker 2: Munster Unstead. You're a You're a mate of his, he's

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Speaker 2: an old teammate of yours.

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Speaker 1: You must be proud of him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's usually proud. I think I think he played

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Speaker 3: the perfect game for his role. Like there was a

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Speaker 3: lot of pressure on Cameron one off field and what happened,

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Speaker 3: but to everyone was saying that he was the key, right,

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Speaker 3: but he just did everything he needed to do great

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Speaker 3: leadership and allowed other people to be the star. Again.

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Speaker 3: He just keeps elevating himself in the Origin landscape. And

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Speaker 3: I think the thing that came out of me for

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Speaker 3: that whole series is Billy Slater has done a lot

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Speaker 3: of great things in the Queensland Jersey, but that is

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Speaker 3: arguably his finest moment. He made two bold calls after

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Speaker 3: lou in Game one, and those two calls delivered him

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Speaker 3: the series. He made Karen Monster the captain game two months,

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Speaker 3: agoes out and plays a game of his life and

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Speaker 3: wins the wins the game. He dropped Jerry Evans and

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Speaker 3: made Tom did in the halfback and in Game three,

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Speaker 3: Tom didn't play the game of his life. So a

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Speaker 3: lot of credit goes to those players. But Billy Slater,

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Speaker 3: under pressure at different stages, trusted his gut instinct and

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Speaker 3: he delivered as a coach, and those players responded to him.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a coaching masterclass on and off

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Speaker 3: the field from Billy, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: As far as as one of the greatest coaching performances.

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Speaker 2: As far as serious concern I think History of Origin

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Speaker 2: Fatty's ninety five was incredible. As far as upsets concerned,

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Speaker 2: that's a bigger upset.

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Speaker 1: But even Fattyill to your he had no choice.

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Speaker 2: He had to pick those players now that was there

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Speaker 2: was just no depth, and what he did with that

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Speaker 2: with that group was remarkable. Billy was in a tricky situation.

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Speaker 2: Although he had more talent, lot of ways like he

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Speaker 2: had some he had some big decisions to make as

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Speaker 2: far a selection Hammer Walsh sonent DC, he did, and

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Speaker 2: as you said.

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Speaker 3: And rightly so, there's a lot of attention and noise

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Speaker 3: around Origin, and the biggest accolade I can give Billy

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Speaker 3: is he sieved through that noise and made bold, gut

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Speaker 3: instinct calls and they ultimately paid the right price, Like

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Speaker 3: if he was listening to other people or listening to

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Speaker 3: some feedback or what he should have shouldn't have done,

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Speaker 3: he probably would have got one or two wrong. But

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Speaker 3: he sat there in amongst his own feelings and bounced

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Speaker 2: I think in himself he learned a bit from the

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Speaker 2: last series. Notoriously, when we spoke about this last year.

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason, Origin coaches when they get to that

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Speaker 2: third campaign, it's like the pressure just starts to build

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Speaker 2: and compounds, and you see that they become they look

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Speaker 2: like that they're wearing.

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Speaker 1: They're wearing that the pressure.

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Speaker 2: And I thought last year I thought Billy really struggled

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Speaker 2: with that. There was a glasshouses thing. But when he

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Speaker 2: appeared on three sixty, you know, he was aggravated. You know,

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Speaker 2: he bit at things quite a bit. There were some

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Speaker 2: certain things in this series, but I think overall, how

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Speaker 2: he handled himself in the media when appearing on camera,

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Speaker 2: I thought he was very very good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he also had the challenge of what happened

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Speaker 3: before Game two with the Mayon Woods and a few

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Speaker 3: other things, so he didn't have it all his own way.

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Speaker 3: And he was so good like he is delivered for

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Speaker 3: the state. He is a legend of State of Oreland

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Speaker 3: football as a player, and he just elevated himself to

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Speaker 2: And let's talk about two players during the series. He

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Speaker 2: took huge risks on Robert Toyer and Gemman. Shibasaki probably

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Speaker 2: would just say as far as the center's center combination,

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Speaker 2: got him out there. They defended aggressively, They defended smart.

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Speaker 2: But Billy no doubt to have twit did in game

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Speaker 2: two and both of them doing in Game three. They

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Speaker 3: And I think the way that they moved everything sort

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Speaker 3: good there. So yeah, it was a good defensive performance

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Speaker 3: hammer that position. That is a try every day of

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Speaker 3: the week except for the hammer was there. He had

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Speaker 3: it forced Nathan into a different look. And I thought

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Speaker 3: and I executed it perfectly.

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Speaker 2: And Tom didn't did it again during the COVID years,

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Speaker 2: and he picked him in this series.

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Speaker 1: Took a big risk in Billies. In terms of Billies legacy.

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Speaker 2: Is an origin cag drop in DC and my god,

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Speaker 2: you know and did when you picked in, you know

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Speaker 2: what you're going to get. You're going to get perseverance,

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Speaker 2: You're going to get hot. But in this game, he

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Speaker 2: showed a lot more than that of somebody's touches. Some

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it from Tom before.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that it's a lesson for any young

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Speaker 3: player that when you get to that level, you should

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Speaker 3: double down on what you're good at. Don't try and

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Speaker 3: be someone you're not, don't try and be someone that

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Speaker 3: was the predecessor or what you think someone's telling you

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Speaker 3: to do. Tom Didon is a competitor, and he is

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Speaker 3: arrow straight where he runs a football. Ultimately, he can

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Speaker 3: Peter On every play that got him a try, that

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Speaker 3: But to your point, he did the things he's good at,

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Speaker 3: but then he also did things that I didn't think

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Speaker 3: game is not elite when it comes to half back.

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Speaker 3: Go watch his long king game. Like he was rifling

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Speaker 3: doing things that I haven't seen him do consistently before.

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Speaker 3: And that comes down to billion still in that confidence

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Speaker 3: because he that's a ten out of ten performance and

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Speaker 3: not too many people do that on their origin arena coops.

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Speaker 2: You said last week we're talking about, yeah, what Queensland

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Speaker 1: You said that was vital, and we were talking about.

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Speaker 2: When you're the red hot favorites and you're playing at home,

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Speaker 2: when the opposition gets off to a fast start, the

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Speaker 1: And I just want to show.

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Speaker 2: A little bit here about I reckon how quickly we

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the start of the game.

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Speaker 2: Now, we spoke last week about the importance of getting

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Speaker 2: and bang take it, and that's on offer taking easy mots.

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Speaker 2: In this instance, it was the first couple of sets

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Speaker 2: we did this. In this one, Nathan gets caught with

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Speaker 2: the things there with Jerome, he almost had too much time.

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Speaker 1: He tried to place the ball rather than kick it.

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Speaker 2: And as we've seen in big games, those seven tackle

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Speaker 3: That's an excuse too much time to think about that.

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Speaker 3: He needed to put that on the spot and be

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Speaker 3: the right kick because seeing that game live, when Stephen

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Speaker 3: Stephen Crichton and then he just let the pressure off

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Speaker 3: I thought they lent left a lot ye. Nathan and

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Speaker 3: that missed there on shuber Ssarchi. When it wasn't working left,

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Speaker 3: I thought there was an opportunity to go back to right.

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Speaker 3: But there was a couple of moments that showed New

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Speaker 2: Because when it was like Neil Aul early in the game,

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Speaker 2: I thought our tack looked really good.

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Speaker 1: We're pushing the ba. We looked really relaxed. I thought, okay,

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Speaker 2: But when they march down field take the conversion, it's

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Speaker 3: I thought they did in first try. Yeah, was one

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Speaker 3: here for New South Wales. There is only a few

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Speaker 3: for New South Wales it was having they got the ball.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Coop that's talking about things that bollock

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Speaker 2: in this game, that was one of them. In the

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Speaker 1: A little bit yep.

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Speaker 3: But in his defense, Crime got hands to him and

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Speaker 3: only one person that could have done that. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: it was a guy that had the footage, the speed

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Speaker 3: and acceleration off the start from Hammer there. Like I thought,

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Speaker 3: it was going to be a big player for New

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Speaker 3: South Wales and Anger's Crime wasn't that far out of position,

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Speaker 3: but it just happened to be that that was the one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well the other one is as we approach half time,

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Speaker 2: it's funny when you look at the completions. The Marines

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Speaker 2: had more ball, but it really surprised me how quickly

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Speaker 2: there the Blues forwards petrol tanks emptied this last one

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Speaker 2: before halftime.

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Speaker 1: There's a repeat set.

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Speaker 2: We dropped the ball out and I'm watching here going, man,

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Speaker 2: if this was a boxing match, were getting the standing

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Speaker 2: eight camp. We're look at us on the inside, we

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Speaker 2: are completely ragged.

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Speaker 3: It felt like Harry Grant was going to do something.

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Speaker 3: That's what that set felt like. It was too easy

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Speaker 3: Ford momentum, quick play the balls and when you're seeing

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Speaker 3: scattered defense around the ruck. Harry Grant is one of

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Speaker 3: the best architects. I've taken advantage of that. So there

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Speaker 3: were the signs and that first half that said New

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Speaker 3: South Wales were off the pace, and I totally agree

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Speaker 3: with you. THEO were the three. But from a New

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Speaker 3: south Wales point of view, Cleary.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what do you take It's interesting what what we're

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Speaker 2: it's sort of bit like moti racing. I'm not in

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Speaker 2: Probably It's a little bit the same with Nathan. If

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Speaker 3: I will say this, I think the criticism of Nathan

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Speaker 3: if Australian team was picked tomorrow, he is my halfback,

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Speaker 3: will sharpe the haters at some stage. The only critique

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Speaker 3: I can have of New South Wales and Nathan is

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Speaker 3: he got comfortable and just lent to his left hand

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Speaker 3: going right here he kept going left. But that's the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been very very few playmakers in the history

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hard skill to do. But instead of

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Speaker 3: like You've got to try and find other ways to

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Speaker 3: the best way is an early kick, tackle three, force

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Speaker 1: Let's move away from State of Oregon.

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Speaker 3: What happened again?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's your train spotting for this week?

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Speaker 3: For me? We was talking about Isaiah cart on the

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Speaker 3: new ballplane number thirteen in Kurt Donahue some of his touches. Now,

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Speaker 3: He's got halves awareness a bit like Isaiaho. He's not

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Speaker 3: Isaiah Cartel with space. That's all a ball playing thirteen needs. Here,

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Speaker 3: Isaiah Cartell scores a try, he's pointing, he's communicating, he

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Speaker 3: knows exactly what he's doing. Plays nice and straight space

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Speaker 3: found their ballplayer number thirty eight. And if they stay together,

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Speaker 3: I think he might turn into a very good player

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Speaker 2: A nice one coops and particularly these days, if player

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Speaker 2: if Harves want to sit back and allow that thirteen

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Speaker 3: Yep, or the look at the Penrith model, like if

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Speaker 3: doing this year and blaze to LUNGI you can get

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Speaker 3: an athletic sort of full back hish person to play

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Speaker 3: five eight outside you could. So, yeah, keep an eye

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Speaker 3: on that. What do you go for me?

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Speaker 2: Well, I got I want to talk about disrupting a

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Speaker 2: defense line coups and you know, oftentimes here I talk

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Speaker 1: Out of the back.

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Speaker 3: Forwards in the middle.

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Speaker 1: I hate that style of football in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: When you didn't an edge and push them back, but

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Speaker 2: when you did an edge, you've started disrupting the defense

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Speaker 2: line straight away. And from there absolutely do not reset

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Speaker 1: It sends defenders into a panic.

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Speaker 2: They stop defending as a collective and start looking at

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Speaker 1: This coup.

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Speaker 2: This is an example where the Cowboys get this Tommy

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Speaker 1: It's a shape.

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Speaker 2: But if you pause there, and when I say disrupting

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Speaker 2: Now you see like everyone is in a different place there.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's there's guys who are going to get

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Speaker 2: There's some guys that are walking under the post. If

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Speaker 2: you watch, if we go forward now at MAXI King,

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Speaker 2: look how exhausted he looks.

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Speaker 1: Look how late some of.

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Speaker 2: Them are getting back into the defense line and pause here.

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Speaker 2: So what you don't want to do there, if you

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Speaker 1: In because they will recognize the shape. Don't stuff around,

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Speaker 1: just let it go.

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Speaker 2: And let's watch this and you'll see they're all kick

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Speaker 1: Just footwork opens it up.

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Speaker 2: That footwork coming back on the inside, he scores as

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Speaker 3: I agree. I think if you re engineer it defensive principles.

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Speaker 3: people out of sequence making decisions. The one thing I

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Speaker 3: and it was past past space as opposed to as

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Speaker 3: you said, long pass, long pass and it's time and

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Speaker 1: New South Wales did when Crichton scored.

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Speaker 3: And so the first half the second half look at.

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Speaker 1: A second but what you see here is the same.

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Speaker 2: They get the ball, they move it to an edge

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Speaker 2: is Queensland. We're defending with such energy and verve that

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Speaker 1: He will watch it here? This is like you know

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Speaker 2: Now you have a look at how many like they're

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Speaker 2: They nearly blew it, but they get it there and

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Speaker 2: there's just he goes and scores untouched. New South Wales

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the pass here from Lui is highly skilled.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't do that that doesn't collapse, aligne clear. His

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Speaker 3: then the pass outside of that to Christ was pretty special.

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Speaker 3: So I like the idea of it, but it takes

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Speaker 2: It's funny when Ricky played those Raiders sides, they played

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Speaker 3: And you've got also Rina Kamer in that Bulldog's game

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Speaker 3: Tom Diden comes flying up and one the recognitions you

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that for a second, Coops,

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Speaker 2: But I just want to talk about sides how they

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Speaker 2: rule is okay, Coops, So you're your third men off

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Speaker 2: the edge on the center, I've got my winger there.

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Speaker 2: If something happens, Coops, I'm always taught. I react off, Cooper,

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Speaker 2: I follow in. If you go in, I follow If

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Speaker 2: you are I'll pushed out that. However, Coops, if I

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Speaker 2: I pick up on that, I shouldn't have. I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: You'll see it here with the young cowboy side. And

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Speaker 2: you know, granted there the young blokes in the center's wing.

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Speaker 2: But that's an example in the fact that Tommy makes

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00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: a poor defensive read and they just following.

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Speaker 1: They just follow me.

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Speaker 3: Nonetheless, So what you're saying is in rule number one,

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Speaker 3: if you're coming outside in, you've got to stop the football.

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Speaker 3: So tom did a first error. He must if he's

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Speaker 3: going to do that, he needs to stop the footing.

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00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: But then what you're saying is Purdue and Derby there

448
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: need to have the awareness and I only learn through

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Speaker 3: experience and say, oh, that's a bad decision from Tom.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going in on kickout. I'm actually going to

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Speaker 3: sit back and see if i can solve this myself

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Speaker 3: as opposed to just doing what the coach says in mirror.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Well, and you want to talk one like

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Speaker 1: you spotted one in State of.

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Speaker 3: Origin, So Xavier coach the other night in Origin, it's

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Speaker 3: very similar. Watch this books right, feels like he's going

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Speaker 3: to come in and just does like a balk and

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00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: forces still the Edwards thrill, the pressure and then layers off,

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Speaker 3: gives Shibasaki time to get across and doesn't get committed,

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Speaker 3: doesn't have the space. But in saying that I'm going

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Speaker 3: to defend the Cowboys edges here, that's Xavier Cokes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is an.

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Speaker 3: Experienced player that's seen that four million times and understands

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Speaker 3: that I could play a game of chess here and

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Speaker 3: those Cowboys players are just doing the principal thing and

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Speaker 3: the right thing.

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Speaker 2: I think the worst thing you can really do as

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Speaker 2: a defender, and the same thing with attack is basically

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Speaker 2: become predictable, and you become predictable by following the hard

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Speaker 2: and fast thru all every time is you know, like,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, right Ryan Girdler when he defended,

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Speaker 2: it was a nightmare to go to his side because

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Speaker 2: he was so unpredictable and he picked off so many innercepts.

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Speaker 1: It's spooky.

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Speaker 2: You go up there and he present like his slide

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Speaker 2: and he cut back in. Those guys are so hard to.

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Speaker 3: Play because he was always knowing that the ball is

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Speaker 3: the most important thing, not the player, because if the

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Speaker 3: ball is at a different trajectory to the body means

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Speaker 3: that that person's not going to get it. So you

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Speaker 3: don't have to go into that person. It's following the

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Speaker 3: ball and that's where it's like a head on a swing,

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Speaker 3: having the ability to see everything when it unfolds. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I thought, mate. One of the other things too, that

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Speaker 3: deserves a bit of highlight from us is the performance

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Speaker 3: of Nico Heines.

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Speaker 1: Terrific, mate.

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Speaker 3: He was brilliant. Whatever he had before the game in

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Speaker 3: terms of his drink and gatorade and things like that.

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Speaker 3: He needs to do it again because from word go

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Speaker 3: he was aggressive, arrow, straight, and he's found the blueprint

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Speaker 3: for the rest of the year. There was a line

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Speaker 3: break in the first half. William Kennedy comes trying to

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Speaker 3: kick return and Nico Hines would not have done this

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00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. He comes out of nowhere,

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Speaker 3: accelerates on the footy. Yes he passes it, but his

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00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: first movement is straight, and I love what he does next.

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00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: I know he drops a ball here, but watch this,

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00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: pushes straight, not trying to finesse the ball, try to

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Speaker 3: take them on. That passage of play told me that

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Speaker 3: he's in for a big night. And then this part,

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Speaker 3: this is the set after Jeremy Marshall King no try.

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Speaker 3: He's touched the ball multiple times the games in the balance.

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Speaker 3: At fourteen twelve, kick gets the ball back here and

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Speaker 3: previously Nico Hines probably sits back and that's the game

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Speaker 3: get away from him. He has multiple touches. He is

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Speaker 3: in total control of the Shark's team. Here I said,

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00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: up by two in a tight game, he does this,

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00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: gets a ball here, shovels it off and because he's

510
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: got this running, direct, aggressive mindset, he goes over here

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Speaker 3: for the match winner. So kudos to Nico, heines, whatever

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Speaker 3: you did before the game, do it again. That's a brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Performance, isn't it Funny like he'd been playing apprehensive a

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Speaker 2: little bit. You know that criticism we spoke about how

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Speaker 2: he drifts sideways searching for something.

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Speaker 3: There was zero searching in that particularly the William Kennedy break.

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Speaker 3: I know he drifted a crossfield late, but he went

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Speaker 3: arrow straight, give me the ball, didn't wait for someone

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Speaker 3: else to pass.

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Speaker 1: It right, it was here.

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Speaker 2: He went in And I think one thing that eliminates

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Speaker 2: nerves and apprehension is aggression, and he just played with

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Speaker 2: that aggressive mindset, just on on the dogs, and we

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Speaker 2: touched a little bit on for twelve eight. They got

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Speaker 2: the win, playing really tough nil mil in the second half,

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Speaker 2: which is unusual because it was a really entertaining second

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Speaker 2: half of football.

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Speaker 1: Twin the two sides, what.

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Speaker 2: Is a more accurate comment, Cameronce Roalde should be concerned

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Speaker 2: of lack of points in particular the second half, or

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Speaker 2: Camerace Roalde should be chuffed heading into the finals winning

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Speaker 2: on a great defensive effort.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely chuffed by the defensive effort. Right, that's been their DNA,

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Speaker 3: it will be their DNA. If they want to win

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Speaker 3: the premiership, they will win it off the back of

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Speaker 3: defense twelve eight. And the thing about Galvin or whatever,

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Speaker 3: he will pick his best seventeen. You should Cameron Serreli

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Speaker 3: should pick his best defensive seventeen. That's what their success

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Speaker 3: this year has been built on. And worry about the

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Speaker 3: points later stopped the opposition from scoring points and back

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Speaker 3: kick out Burton Crichton to score the points.

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Speaker 1: Coops, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I just got through notification through State of ores in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six New South Wales of favor its classed unbootable.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately already a flu has gone through the Rons camp.

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Speaker 3: Good Bye, good luck, Goodwin.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmmmmmmmm