Speaker 1: Better Freedman. Yes, sir, well do straight talk, mate, Thank
Speaker 1: you very much, thanks very much for coming on.
Speaker 2: It's my pleasure.
Speaker 1: I got inspired recently. I said, the boys, come, let's
Speaker 1: get this guy because like man like, he's such a legend.
Speaker 1: And I saw her and I saw you being interviewed.
Speaker 1: I think it was by Forbes or one of those,
Speaker 1: and I thought, what the hell, I've got to talk
Speaker 1: to him. I really want to know his story, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure your audience does too. So and just for
Speaker 1: the sake of it, you're the founder, wrote importantly right
Speaker 1: here in front of us, of course.
Speaker 2: Edmond Group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Freeman Group, Freeman Group. This is you, mate, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is you. How do you feel every time you
Speaker 1: sit down or you look at something and you see,
Speaker 1: you know, Rode on the side here, How do you
Speaker 1: feel when you see it?
Speaker 2: I never get tired of it. It's amazing and I'm
Speaker 2: humbled still. I mean, I think it's lucky that it
Speaker 2: all happened to me when I was older, so that
Speaker 2: I realized how special it is, because if it happened
Speaker 2: when I was young, I think I would have believed
Speaker 2: it was all me. So yeah, and the team, not
Speaker 2: the magic not the time.
Speaker 1: That's interesting sometimes just sometimes you sit back and reflect.
Speaker 1: I mean I just say it just before we walked in,
Speaker 1: and I should say this for straight up, there are very
Speaker 1: few Australians who actually create a product, which I don't
Speaker 1: hate using the word, but it's probably proven. In this case,
Speaker 1: it disrupts and it becomes a global disruption. There's very
Speaker 1: few strainds have done that globally, and you're one of them.
Speaker 2: So Road Equipment, I'm proud of it for sure. But
Speaker 2: it's a team. You a thousand people. Now, I mean
Speaker 2: it started with me and a couple of people, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not just me, but it's amazing. Can you go
Speaker 2: back to how it started? It? Oh?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I was a story where I mean,
Speaker 1: your your free, your name's Peter Freeman. I look at
Speaker 1: the O and the road looks like something out of
Speaker 1: one of those Viking movies.
Speaker 2: So that's the story Danish. Yeah, I just did was
Speaker 2: added that we made up the name. I haded that
Speaker 2: to make it more European, right right. I didn't start
Speaker 2: Road to make any money. It was just a little
Speaker 2: bit of extra I was doing installs and clubs and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I've told the story many times. I screwed it
Speaker 2: up in the late eighties, brought a lot of money,
Speaker 2: got into trouble, lost my house, lost the walk to work.
Speaker 2: It was a nightmare. Had eight years a hell. But
Speaker 2: from that came this. But it wasn't planned. I didn't expect.
Speaker 2: It was just right place at the right time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I worked harder before, I think.
Speaker 1: But you've just been modest sounds, not at all. It's
Speaker 1: like for real and like just right.
Speaker 2: That was amazing. Before it wasn't making any money.
Speaker 1: It was the same. Yeah, But do you have like
Speaker 1: in your background, like you a mechinical?
Speaker 2: My father was My mother and father were in sound
Speaker 2: equipment back in the fifties and I was born in Stockholm,
Speaker 2: dads of London. So it's been my whole life literally
Speaker 2: born into it. I've known nothing other than professional sound.
Speaker 2: I have memories, I said the other day, back to
Speaker 2: sixty three with my dad doing a sound for a
Speaker 2: band in Sweden, and I remember being there, you know,
Speaker 2: So I've seen sound equipment all my life.
Speaker 1: Do you do you feel obviously Australian, but do you
Speaker 1: feel in the heritage sense, do you have a sense
Speaker 1: of Northern Europinion Australia dead said Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I came when I was young, and
Speaker 2: so I remember Sweden. I didn't speak English when I came.
Speaker 2: But it's like a movie and I love Australia. Man,
Speaker 2: I've been this at sixty six, so yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: Haven't I've been here for sixty years.
Speaker 2: An a formative part of my life. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: funny because I said I spoke Swedish, but it was
Speaker 2: at the right time. If you go past a certain age,
Speaker 2: you end up with an accent. I think twelve or
Speaker 2: but I was. I got here seven eight nearly, so
Speaker 2: just banging. It was beaten out of me. And so
Speaker 2: I don't have that.
Speaker 1: Any been beaten out of your parents or kids kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because do you know I yes, I was Suporn fifty
Speaker 1: six fifty six okay, yeah, and it was a violent time, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and I came. We're west and I'm the only
Speaker 2: walking school and so all the skips are there, and
Speaker 2: they were incredibly cruel little mafia and they'd wait for
Speaker 2: me a couple o k walk or something. They'd be
Speaker 2: down the creek to beat.
Speaker 1: Me out, which parc grew which part of Cyni.
Speaker 2: You was Winston Hills. We were in West Right first
Speaker 2: for a little while, and then we went to Winston
Speaker 2: Hills and yeah, they're evil little fuckers, but because they
Speaker 2: incredible too, they didn't do it every day, so we
Speaker 2: were in terror all the time waiting for them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we are. I don't know if you had brothers or
Speaker 2: cousins or something to help you the former militia, I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, that was my entree into the country.
Speaker 1: But do you think that stuff has any like long
Speaker 1: lasting formative effects on you?
Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah, yeah, of course it does.
Speaker 2: Does that along with like I had no real friends
Speaker 2: a bit speaking, so I lived in beside my head
Speaker 2: a lot, which I still do, and and then being
Speaker 2: told that I'm no good loser everything constantly, and then
Speaker 2: eventually find out where you might be able to do something,
Speaker 2: and then you've got something to prove. So for sure,
Speaker 2: my drive is that you need to have something to
Speaker 2: drive you, and that's that's definitely mine.
Speaker 1: Is that would that be a conscious decision for something
Speaker 1: like you?
Speaker 2: It was a subconscious It's only through years of I
Speaker 2: mean introspection. Now, I mean, how do you know, but
Speaker 2: I look back, why are you who? You are studying
Speaker 2: myself for a while. Now I get it. It all
Speaker 2: comes from being a child, you know, yeah, everything, but
Speaker 2: you're marked from punching, so you know. Yeah right, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was well at the school so
Speaker 1: like and you know, I had the father out the
Speaker 1: accident violent. It totally was. It was, and there was
Speaker 1: a lot of other kids there. We had a lot
Speaker 1: of Lebanese at our school and a lot of other
Speaker 1: kids there who were you know, those days escaping Lebanon
Speaker 1: which was at war, and they come with pretty tough credentials,
Speaker 1: those kids and I had a lot to prove and
Speaker 1: it was a pretty cruel place. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: that's why they have all these rules on laws now
Speaker 1: about what you can say, which you can't say, etcetera.
Speaker 1: But some people say it's woke. What do you mean
Speaker 1: now today? You can't say things today to kids, but
Speaker 1: you could say things the things got said to us
Speaker 1: when we were growing up, like what are your wog bastard?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, go back, what were you doing bring
Speaker 1: that to that food to lunch? Today we're eating whatever.
Speaker 2: Even though it's fantastic now, they all want to eat it.
Speaker 2: They want to, But I've got Greeks in my family mate.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Lebanese and my family. You know, we're a big mix.
Speaker 2: Is beautiful.
Speaker 1: We are too these days, but it's funny. You know.
Speaker 1: Back at those days, I actually stupid, but like I
Speaker 1: actually died. I was dying to have a pie on Mondays.
Speaker 1: Like I just want to be like them in a
Speaker 1: Lamington pile of source.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lem, yeah, you don't want to stand out.
Speaker 1: Well, I just thought, actually it was great if I
Speaker 1: could get Monday was the day you got your bought
Speaker 1: your lunch because in those days bread was stylee by
Speaker 1: satur Day or something like that, and breadbass that had
Speaker 1: livered every day. Monday you didn't get it on the weekend.
Speaker 1: Monday was the day went and you.
Speaker 2: Got a pie.
Speaker 1: School. So I often wonder about your business or something
Speaker 1: like you do you have to be or were you
Speaker 1: or do you employ like because I think this is
Speaker 1: beautifully designer was just talk to the guys before about
Speaker 1: the design of this. It's something something theatrical about it
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike's a very personal Yeah, you can make something
Speaker 2: sound fantastic, but it has to look a certain way.
Speaker 2: It's like a guitar. I mean, nothing will change. It'll
Speaker 2: be Strats and Telly Venders forever in Les Paul. I
Speaker 2: don't care what happens because that's the way guitar looks
Speaker 2: saying with the mic and especially a handheld mike. And
Speaker 2: we're in the entertainment game, right. You might think I'm
Speaker 2: a technology game, but no, we're masters of entertainment. And
Speaker 2: I've done that mixing bands. According I understand the entertainers.
Speaker 2: I understand stage craft. And that's why we're so good
Speaker 2: at what we do because we understand content creators. We're
Speaker 2: probably the best at content creators in the world. So you,
Speaker 2: when you can mentor you bro can make this become
Speaker 2: huge if you want.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy. I'm over to that. So did you
Speaker 1: will you do? You say that you designed this for
Speaker 1: content creators, knowing what they needed in terms of theater,
Speaker 1: but also they need to look that way. Lookin sound
Speaker 1: really good? So maybe take me through it then, So.
Speaker 2: You keep scratching that mic. We don't have all these sounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very tagulous. I've got my tech guy over there.
Speaker 1: He said, what are you doing? So when you when
Speaker 1: I look at this and these gurus, the color, the casing,
Speaker 1: the holding of it, the shape. Can you take me
Speaker 1: through it?
Speaker 2: Well, there are aspects of this which are technical, so
Speaker 2: that the holes on the side excep that changes of
Speaker 2: the pick up right, which means you're going to have
Speaker 2: mainly from the front. You don't want so much on
Speaker 2: the size and certainly it's called a cardioid pattern. So
Speaker 2: there's technical aspects of that design. But then there's also
Speaker 2: cues styling. Cues of microphones in the past, you know
Speaker 2: are twenty from electro voice. I mean currently I think
Speaker 2: you use shore s and seven B quite quite a lot,
Speaker 2: which a lot of people do because other people do
Speaker 2: it and they're great mics, but they look a certain way.
Speaker 2: So don't come along with a shiny triangle point. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't care what it looks like. You're not going
Speaker 2: to be accepted.
Speaker 1: But the theater of this, so particularly for a podcast, particular,
Speaker 1: if you're a podcast try to make a difference or
Speaker 1: actually want to be part of the podcasting media like
Speaker 1: millions of them, the design and shape of it, apart
Speaker 1: from the acoustic reasons. Was there something that inspired you
Speaker 1: in terms of what it looked like.
Speaker 2: That's just part of my DNA. Like if you said
Speaker 2: to me design a mic, I can because I don't
Speaker 2: even know where it comes from. Because we're talking fifty
Speaker 2: not fifty sixty years of seeing this stuff and so
Speaker 2: pencil it out and it'll be right.
Speaker 1: And does that mean to be that person?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: To actually build this up? Do you have to be
Speaker 1: an industrial designer?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: What do you have to do to go to university?
Speaker 1: Just or stuff with is just something you just sit
Speaker 1: down and draw.
Speaker 2: Man, I didn't finish high school. That as what I
Speaker 2: was throwing out of school. Yeah, but I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: So but you pick up a lot of things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I started up. I worked out a way around
Speaker 2: what I needed after I left school. But I left sixteen.
Speaker 2: It wasn't any point and they kind of suggested I leave,
Speaker 2: so I didn't. Plus my dad was six so I
Speaker 2: had to kind of take over when I was sixteen.
Speaker 1: Anyway, then did you that pass away.
Speaker 2: In eighty seven? But he'd been sick a lot with
Speaker 2: heart problems, and so I worked in the company. But
Speaker 2: you know, like the classic milk bar, right, you're talking
Speaker 2: about the Greek milk bar, right, what are the kids doing.
Speaker 2: They're serving in the milk. But that's except my was sound.
Speaker 1: Equipment wasn't a choice actually, but you did it anyway?
Speaker 2: What you did? You know? I was with him after school,
Speaker 2: I was on saturdays. You know, I love it. Know
Speaker 2: nothing else, but yeah, there's there's so many different things
Speaker 2: that have happened to me. Kind of thought about it
Speaker 2: when because I mentioned the story so many times, people
Speaker 2: sort of dig the rags, the riches and the phoenix
Speaker 2: rising from the ashes, excepting that's so inspiring. But so
Speaker 2: much of what's driven to me has been from some
Speaker 2: serious pain. And even I remember one teacher, and I
Speaker 2: can't believe he did it. I was at fourteen and
Speaker 2: I really liked him. I thought he liked me, and
Speaker 2: one day for that no reason. He's a freedman. You
Speaker 2: don't have to do any join your dad. You get
Speaker 2: money for nothing. You'll never be anything. You're a loser.
Speaker 2: The teacher, it's got it. I'll never forget it. I
Speaker 2: hope he's fucking dead. I wish I could find out
Speaker 2: where his grave was, because I'll kiss on it. But
Speaker 2: you knowf like that, it sits in you. It's damaging,
Speaker 2: but then if there's a fire there going to go,
Speaker 2: I'm going to show well I'm not a loser eventually,
Speaker 2: because for all you think you are, it's pretty shitty time.
Speaker 2: But everybody has a shitty time. You go back to
Speaker 2: anybody's life, it's all about their childhood, you know, rather
Speaker 2: than the ones who have had a great child because
Speaker 2: then they've got no drive because it's all too good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I know, by the way, I think that's
Speaker 1: possibly the case, is certainly the truth for some people
Speaker 1: that I know, but not many people can actually take
Speaker 1: a shitty childhood, or maybe half the people take a
Speaker 1: shitty child and they turn out to be not so
Speaker 1: good and they it fox them up and then they
Speaker 1: can't achieve any And then some people somehow manage to
Speaker 1: use that as an energy source to do something good
Speaker 1: and like it drives them.
Speaker 2: But there is luck there as well. Man, I this
Speaker 2: mightn't have worked, and I would have carried on and
Speaker 2: made a living and been a bitter and twisted old
Speaker 2: man instead of worked. And here I am thinking I'm
Speaker 2: going to take over the world.
Speaker 1: Well you sort of have in relation to.
Speaker 2: Speak. It's crazy right at our age, I feel better, fitter,
Speaker 2: stronger than I was when I was thirty.
Speaker 1: So how much of that do you though? Is it?
Speaker 1: Does your own success inspire you to become better, fitter, stronger?
Speaker 1: Of course, and just say fuck it, I'm going to go.
Speaker 2: I'm amazing, mate.
Speaker 1: No, but you do you look at it. You're fit.
Speaker 2: I feel great.
Speaker 1: Are you fitter now than, for example, then you would
Speaker 1: have been, say ten years.
Speaker 2: Ago, I'm fitter now that I'm a thirty right.
Speaker 1: And you feel stronger like you have regimes?
Speaker 2: Mat I work out. I mean, I'm if you saw
Speaker 2: where I'm living at the moment, I love it. Right
Speaker 2: in an apartment nice, no furniture in there, that's not
Speaker 2: a reason for it, but just full of weights. And
Speaker 2: I just work out three days, three times a day,
Speaker 2: sometimes eat protein, shakes, water, creates. I mean, I'm gone nuts,
Speaker 2: but I love it. And then I work research.
Speaker 1: You seen your house like a gym?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, teenagers place? It's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you have Do you watch Netflix or
Speaker 1: let that leave?
Speaker 2: Which tell me really no, no, I'd rather just do research.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your that's your entertainment really totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just come home. I hate I mean, weekends are
Speaker 2: kind of weird. I'll come home on Friday. I just
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish we worked seven days. So it's fine.
Speaker 2: But I came home on a Friday, a house full
Speaker 2: of food. We're going to get some and then and
Speaker 2: it's Monday. It's just because I'm moved, I'm left there
Speaker 2: other than working out inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you cook for yourself? Do you cook for yourself?
Speaker 2: You may become a great cook because I left home
Speaker 2: early as well, so to learn to cook a die.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll make it, and you want your name
Speaker 2: the cuisine, bro, I'll do.
Speaker 1: It how impoints tell to you. Then now, because I
Speaker 1: mean I know everything, all of a sudden becomes the
Speaker 1: most important in my life. Yeah, there's no point in
Speaker 1: being successful, you're fucking dead.
Speaker 2: So but oh I up to that probably ten years ago.
Speaker 2: But then it's done in the last year or two
Speaker 2: that I really focused on and I gained a lot
Speaker 2: of weight being a bit depressed recently, and.
Speaker 1: So how do you get out of that? How do
Speaker 1: you get so out of that?
Speaker 2: Gives you a realization that life, health, fitness is all
Speaker 2: you've got. And you know, you start a little bit,
Speaker 2: a little bit away, you get a bit better, and
Speaker 2: you know you're on a roll the minute. You mean,
Speaker 2: it's just it's crazy. You can't stop on you once
Speaker 2: you get there. I feel better than when I was thirty.
Speaker 1: There's an addiction in it totally to.
Speaker 2: Be fit, and it's I'm calm as well. You know,
Speaker 2: nothing upsets me. It's great.
Speaker 1: Most people would love to know someone is as successful
Speaker 1: as you and not just successful with the full stop,
Speaker 1: but you know you're continueing to be successful. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that what you do in a moment. But some
Speaker 1: people love to know what is the routine of someone
Speaker 1: like Peter. So when you just mentioned how you.
Speaker 2: Live but single minded?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what about what happens when you wake up
Speaker 1: in the morning, like.
Speaker 2: Go a bit of Like I'm traveling a lot at
Speaker 2: the moment, so we're away every three or four weeks,
Speaker 2: So I'm waking up at three thirty something like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you bounce out?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Now, I mean I like a drink, but I
Speaker 2: when I'm at harm and I drink, Yeah, so I'll
Speaker 2: drop for me alcohol off, I'll give you shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but then if I'm going to drink, it'll be spectacular.
Speaker 2: And then I don't drink when I'm at home and
Speaker 2: so yeah, I pop up and then have a shake
Speaker 2: or some some protein and lift six thousand. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: mean you listen to a podcast or check out something
Speaker 2: on AI and you know it's awesome.
Speaker 1: But when you say you're researching stuff, you're not just really,
Speaker 1: you're not just researching this sort of stuff. You're researching lots.
Speaker 2: Of We're doing so much tech now because there's three
Speaker 2: major companies we've got. We're obviously Sound wireless technology, Live
Speaker 2: Sound because the company Macky I bought, and so the
Speaker 2: same areas. Plus we're very deep in AI. For most people,
Speaker 2: AI is you know, deep seek chat, grock whatever. I
Speaker 2: got my own. I put thirty million too, my own.
Speaker 2: That's how you make money out of AH. You you
Speaker 2: have your own like a small language model and go
Speaker 2: very pointy. So it's a little bit different to me.
Speaker 2: You build a small language model, Your build a small
Speaker 2: We're constantly working.
Speaker 1: And what do you what are you feeding on?
Speaker 2: What can't tell you?
Speaker 1: But you go, you find, you find somewhere where you
Speaker 1: can where you can live in my area, Yeah, in
Speaker 1: your your your stuff in your area.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then so if I wanted if I if
Speaker 2: I wanted to Now I could just record you, which
Speaker 2: I am anyway, and then I'll mimic you. I can
Speaker 2: do the whole podcast, make it perfect, make it funny,
Speaker 2: whatever I want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, through your through your own AI. And there's your
Speaker 1: objective to use your I in a more commercial sense
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, so that's like to help you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a new proctimize. Well, we've got some stuff already.
Speaker 2: But so let's say we're doing this and all you
Speaker 2: look back on it and you go, damn, I should
Speaker 2: have asked that question, and I think I should have. Well,
Speaker 2: we just do that and then we'll generate the video
Speaker 2: and we'll drop that in and away we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with my voice everything. Yeah, it's you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you've got to be careful. Yes, I
Speaker 2: can ring your mates and it'll be you talking. So
Speaker 2: if it's about money, you need a code word. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I know that of Okay, I've sort of seen that's
Speaker 2: so easy.
Speaker 1: To we've we faked Obama's voice here doing interview with
Speaker 1: me and faked his face something like that, and we
Speaker 1: released it on one April.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but people go, it's going to take away human creative.
Speaker 2: That's not true. So there's Ai, the two Ais, there's
Speaker 2: authentic intelligence, and I still want to hear you. I
Speaker 2: want to make sure that it's really you. But we'll
Speaker 2: clean it up and we'll make it better. We'll make
Speaker 2: this into the most produced slick show ever because we're
Speaker 2: going to use the tools.
Speaker 1: And will that will that accompany, that tool in due
Speaker 1: course a company. Your sound system.
Speaker 2: Is part of the and I hate the word and
Speaker 2: I'm going to say ecosis does, but yeah, put money
Speaker 2: in the jar. But yeah, it is so the you know,
Speaker 2: we make technology, but that's who cares, right, It's what
Speaker 2: can we do with this thing? That's what we're about.
Speaker 2: And man, the stuff that we're working on incredible. I
Speaker 2: can record meetings and it'll automatically label who's talking. It
Speaker 2: will give me a complete print out of it. Uh
Speaker 2: and at the end of it, it could talk for three
Speaker 2: hours and I'm go give me a praisy of the
Speaker 2: whole thing and bang, there it is. You're going to
Speaker 2: turn into a podcast and let's make it funny and
Speaker 2: it'll be a digital moderator. It's incredible, man, But it's
Speaker 2: all going to be for people. It's not going to
Speaker 2: be I don't want to see a fully generated thing.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested. Most people aren't make tools.
Speaker 1: Do you do? This is to continue to reshape, restructure
Speaker 1: the let's call it the pacasting industry.
Speaker 2: Have something that that's what I do. It's my life.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be sortentious and saying like an
Speaker 2: art just painting, but it's it's kind of that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't need to do anymore, but it's what I do.
Speaker 2: It's like, why does Paul McCartney play gigs because he's
Speaker 2: the muser?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you are? Do you? I don't understand the phenomenon.
Speaker 1: But why do you think podcasting because you know, you
Speaker 1: tapped into the growth of podcasting industry, either that or
Speaker 1: you help create the podcasting is why do you think
Speaker 1: it has grown outside of the fact that it's stuff
Speaker 1: successible like this and they can turn themselves into a
Speaker 1: broadhast But why do people want to do it? Do
Speaker 1: not know? Why do peopleant to listen? Why do people
Speaker 1: want a podcast? Why are there's so many people.
Speaker 2: Doing well what people want to do? They want to
Speaker 2: make money out of it? Why do people want to
Speaker 2: listen to it? They want to learn? You know? And
Speaker 2: the thing with it is now though you look like
Speaker 2: diary ceo Lex Friedman yours, except there's so much out there,
Speaker 2: right all they are incredibly interesting. I watched quite a
Speaker 2: few of yours there, Herrick Banner and not he wasn't
Speaker 2: were running out of time. So we've got to tighten
Speaker 2: him up, you know. And then but the long form
Speaker 2: podcast is I'm not Wagan. It's still I'm not. So
Speaker 2: that's personal. I'm not so much into him. I like information,
Speaker 2: so like Lex, yeah, but you know, I like to
Speaker 2: see a three hour deep dive, right, But then I
Speaker 2: would tighten him up as well, so that but that's
Speaker 2: kind of what you do. You're not going to get
Speaker 2: out of me. If somebody system, can you come along
Speaker 2: and we want to do like a twenty minute any
Speaker 2: of you go, no, I'm not interested because you're not
Speaker 2: going to find out anything from me. You need to
Speaker 2: talk to me for a long time and outcomes some stuff.
Speaker 2: We piss off half of it and then it's some
Speaker 2: gems there and we tighten it up and it's skill. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and I want to consume that the way I
Speaker 2: want to consume it. I want to press the button
Speaker 2: and go give me all that in ten minutes and bang, it'll.
Speaker 1: Do it not in a text, but in a in
Speaker 1: a video, in a video, auto auto edited, auto edits, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And it will also learn what I what I like.
Speaker 2: So parts of your podcast will go, well, here's one
Speaker 2: that suits what you're interested in from for a mark
Speaker 2: two hour podcast of course, killer, that's what you're going
Speaker 2: to be doing.
Speaker 1: So is that because you're Is that because it knows
Speaker 1: which parts of my video, my my podcast that you'd
Speaker 1: like to do in the part that you spent over, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll know what I mean. It's time stamping. It just
Speaker 1: goes through all the time.
Speaker 2: And also the way you feed the model. Like so
Speaker 2: there's so much in what we're talking about now, which
Speaker 2: is the fillers. Get rid of them, tighten them up
Speaker 2: and still make it flow. Yeah, but we can do that.
Speaker 2: We can. We can see it for two hours and
Speaker 2: then we can condense that with clever editing. Your guys
Speaker 2: doing it to thirty minute thing highlights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sort of what the guys do.
Speaker 2: Now again, other people won't you know, I want the
Speaker 2: long form I'm going to now and listen to them.
Speaker 2: It's like the cooking show, you know, just let it
Speaker 2: run one camera, one take off, you go, they drop things.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Yeah, but I don't need to do that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I go, give me, I'm driving to work, give
Speaker 2: me ten minutes of tight mark talking to somebody. I
Speaker 2: want the info.
Speaker 1: Or I'm driving a bar and I'm able to listen
Speaker 1: the next three hours.
Speaker 2: There you go, what's your choice? Click three, two one,
Speaker 2: ten minutes and they're all giving me the metal salient
Speaker 2: points in ten minutes.
Speaker 1: I'll be happy with that. But if you know, if
Speaker 1: the AI, if I could say, if the AO said
Speaker 1: to me, helling at me in the car for mark
Speaker 1: three hours, give me the long form, there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll give me a long for it'll give you what
Speaker 1: you want. Or I've only got forty minutes, give me this.
Speaker 2: And then references off everything you say. Then you go,
Speaker 2: if you'd like to learn more about that part.
Speaker 1: Here's all okay, I said, references whatever you want, like
Speaker 1: as an addendum sort of at the back. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Total of your family history. You mentioned one thing people
Speaker 2: you've worked with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you go go, that's amazing. So when will that?
Speaker 1: Have you released it or getting ready to release it?
Speaker 1: You're still working on.
Speaker 2: It's got to got to space these things out to
Speaker 2: suit what people want, so in the interface to it.
Speaker 1: So what about it, because obviously road casters have been
Speaker 1: more about the audio. What about video?
Speaker 2: Where you guys, I don't know if we've got to
Speaker 2: think called nas CV, which is the most amazing production
Speaker 2: tool for video so basically television and radio station for
Speaker 2: a couple of grand yes, I mean, you know you've
Speaker 2: been in media a long time. You know what it
Speaker 2: meant before. Man, it's too cheap.
Speaker 1: You couldn't afford it before. You could afford these before either,
Speaker 1: by the way, and you couldn't You couldn't for the reg.
Speaker 2: Where you're going to put it up and look at
Speaker 2: the cameras now, I mean, it's so simple.
Speaker 1: Because YouTube's YouTube still for me anyways, still a big
Speaker 1: part of the whole podcast process, and that's obviously video.
Speaker 2: But you don't even need that. You know, you can
Speaker 2: stream it yourself. So YouTube is going to be one thing.
Speaker 2: But then eventually you go, you know what, we'll just
Speaker 2: have our own channel and people just you log onto
Speaker 2: your stream.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so you can.
Speaker 2: See it live or whatever you want.
Speaker 1: You have you released your cameras yet or you're.
Speaker 2: About doing the cameras at the moment we deal. We
Speaker 2: work with a lot of big camera companies as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's there's so many projects that we could do.
Speaker 2: This is where I've learned, you know, to analyze what
Speaker 2: I should do, because no matter what you you only
Speaker 2: have a certain amount of time. You might even have
Speaker 2: the day, but you run out of mental capability bandwidth.
Speaker 1: So what do you what do you see? Peter Friedman
Speaker 1: being in his sixties now well healthy, yeah, prime of
Speaker 1: his life, fit and ever before, happy, happy, happy enough.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to we'll do it later. Happy, but happy
Speaker 1: enough like in life like happy yeah, but like some people,
Speaker 1: you know, how do I get happy? I just just
Speaker 1: be happy enough? Like that's enough for you. You don't
Speaker 1: have to happiness and happy enough to me is contentment.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what just been content And it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I'm happy all the time because going.
Speaker 2: On, I love it. We're living in the best place
Speaker 2: in the world, totally walking distance from me. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is amazing. I'm loving it. So yeah, I'm one already
Speaker 2: and I get to do all this tech. It's just
Speaker 2: a dream, do you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm this type of person I get obsessed
Speaker 1: with new ideas, and you know, it's sort of like
Speaker 1: focus man, semi sickness for the obsession. But one of
Speaker 1: the things I'm you talked about earlier on but one
Speaker 1: of the things I'm obsessed with, and it sounds really
Speaker 1: fucking indulgent. And it's about trying to live as long
Speaker 1: as possible.
Speaker 2: And I, why do you want to do that?
Speaker 1: Because I got so much I want to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, don't you don't you also have
Speaker 2: a feeling. I remember she passed away a while ago,
Speaker 2: and she was ninety four, and I remember leading up
Speaker 2: to it and she came out about enough. You know,
Speaker 2: she wasn't to me, I'm not going But you say that,
Speaker 2: and now I get it. I don't want to live
Speaker 2: my life again. Well please, No, it's like I've seen
Speaker 2: that movie now fifteen times, so do it again. No,
Speaker 2: I'm doing new stuff, but repeat it and.
Speaker 1: No, I don't need that again.
Speaker 2: Right, So eventually we might get to the point where
Speaker 2: in the late eighties and go, yeah, I kind of
Speaker 2: done it. I don't want to die, but I don't
Speaker 2: give a shit anymore. I'm not scared of death and
Speaker 2: I've done it. Man, I could die tomorrow and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to really be going Oh actually would piss
Speaker 2: me off a bit, but I wouldn't know. But there's enough.
Speaker 2: I think we programmed to have an up. What do you
Speaker 2: need to be one hundred year old?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want the option.
Speaker 2: So what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: I don't know there is that, but I wonder whether
Speaker 1: you say, yeah, sure, I don't want to go back
Speaker 1: and do what I've done before. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: and I'm not scared of death like you as well,
Speaker 1: because when it happens, it happens, and when your dead
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But I'm also love life currently, so I
Speaker 1: love learning me too, and if and if I could,
Speaker 1: and if you have the capacity to continue to learn,
Speaker 1: if new things always coming along, you can learn, Like
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about AI now, things we would
Speaker 1: you and I would never conceived thirty forty years ago artificially.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it'll continue.
Speaker 1: Well, I kept wondering that too, but I keep seeing
Speaker 1: things keep coming along, Like I never thought about the Internet,
Speaker 1: but the Internet came along. I never thought about the
Speaker 1: Internet of things that's using senses and that came along.
Speaker 2: We We're very similar, right, so we are enthusiastic. We've
Speaker 2: got a young outlook blah blah blah, and it's not drive,
Speaker 2: it's real. Yeah, But will we be like this when
Speaker 2: we're in our late adies? I do haven't made in
Speaker 2: his and he is going, Wow, lovely guy. Charles Curen,
Speaker 2: sharp as attack, love and life, doing stuff, and I go,
Speaker 2: that's that's my idol. That's what I'd like to be.
Speaker 2: I I can be like Charles, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know either, I made the kuld Nick plitis his
Speaker 1: mid eighties, and Nixon ever been more vibrant, like He's amazing.
Speaker 2: Please if that happens great, and.
Speaker 1: Even old Harry Trigabov Harry's ninety two. Harry said right there,
Speaker 1: and I see there. And Harry is as still as
Speaker 1: full of life, not as energetic, but still is full
Speaker 1: of life intellectually as evidence.
Speaker 2: Is working still it goes work every day. I want
Speaker 2: to drop dead in my work.
Speaker 1: That's my goal with me too, And people said, why
Speaker 1: do you want to work for the rest of your life?
Speaker 1: But like you, when I went to school, all the
Speaker 1: kids that I went to school with or retired to
Speaker 1: sixty five, everyone's retired and they're fucking miserable. They're not happy.
Speaker 1: So I read somewhere and it was in the brief,
Speaker 1: and of course, well as you expect, I get a brief.
Speaker 1: You like the book The Outer Wall son Zoo. Now,
Speaker 1: I remember when I was in my forties, I gave
Speaker 1: that to all my when I had the Wizopisess originally
Speaker 1: the Whispersiness, I gave all my senior staff that book
Speaker 1: to read that. I gave him the book the letters
Speaker 1: from Machiavelli to the Prince as well about because we
Speaker 1: were doing lots of acquisitions and what happens when you
Speaker 1: buy a business, how you change the culture, how you
Speaker 1: try to get the culture come along with you. And
Speaker 1: that was Macallis led us to his prints and and
Speaker 1: some people think that stuff Macabellian art of war is.
Speaker 2: Too with the culture. To Macaveli is like has negative connotations,
Speaker 2: but in Italy it's not. You understand, Now, that's the
Speaker 2: whole point, you know, the whole the whole art of war.
Speaker 2: You know, I did in China and the nineties, and
Speaker 2: I learned it all. And you sort of slammed the
Speaker 2: tail and got a sun subin fa, which is the
Speaker 2: way of the warrior and it're all going and we're off,
Speaker 2: we're running, you know, cold city.
Speaker 1: Could you explain that?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Why do you think I have my views on it?
Speaker 1: But like, why do you think the art of war
Speaker 1: is valuable today in business? I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: If you if you read it, it's valuable for life.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a you know, if you're weak, act strong,
Speaker 2: if you're strong, act weak. All these little little parables
Speaker 2: and you know, the rabbit being chased by the fox.
Speaker 2: You know who could going to come out as well?
Speaker 2: The rabbit's going to get killed the foxes once a meal.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can then learn so much and apply
Speaker 2: it to life. You know, never take away a man's
Speaker 2: rice bowl. Basically, you know, we're doing a deal and
Speaker 2: I can screw you ruthlessly if I want it. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to. I want you to walk again. Tough deal,
Speaker 2: but he's fair because we'll do business again. Nothing to
Speaker 2: do with cosmic karma, but it's the right way to run,
Speaker 2: and that's just what it's full of. So it's not
Speaker 2: about biting you know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a very interesting one too. By the way,
Speaker 1: about the rice bowl, you always got to leave something
Speaker 1: on the table.
Speaker 2: When you're doing a deal, the people, some dickheads think nah,
Speaker 2: when it takes all well, you're a bushy and you
Speaker 2: are going to burn all your bridges and nobody wants
Speaker 2: to do with you. People want to deal with me
Speaker 2: because they know they're going to do all right. And
Speaker 2: I walk in if I was going to sell to
Speaker 2: you back in the day, I walk in, I'm here
Speaker 2: to make you money, Marck and you go over two
Speaker 2: seconds if I go, I'm here to make me money.
Speaker 2: To get the fuck out it. Yeah, simple, well I
Speaker 2: needs a little bit.
Speaker 1: But where where do you Where did you? Where did
Speaker 1: you learn these the skills and life skills my parents?
Speaker 2: And also selling. I mean I was on the streets
Speaker 2: up here selling sound equipment in the in the seventies,
Speaker 2: and you know, you learn real fast what works and
Speaker 2: what doesn't because you didn't get the job where you
Speaker 2: did get the job. It's like one of the I
Speaker 2: tell people salesman as a guy who had a whole
Speaker 2: run of gyms around Sydney in the eighties. Remember the
Speaker 2: gym thinking of became in the nightclub and it was
Speaker 2: in bonding and I quoted, this guy's a big, big
Speaker 2: job thirty thirty grand, which I'm huge for me and he.
Speaker 2: I mean I never would wouldn't commit It.
Speaker 1: Was the sound system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know for the aerobics, that's what I did
Speaker 2: all the gyms, and I drove past what would just
Speaker 2: seven times I've gone to see him, and I go,
Speaker 2: I do one more time. Got it in my van
Speaker 2: driving a bond van. Walked up. He looked at me
Speaker 2: and went, oh, for God's sake, all right, got job
Speaker 2: knowing I'm not going to forget this. So you learn
Speaker 2: stuff along the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and persistency. How important to give up? That's important
Speaker 1: to give up on life.
Speaker 2: Anything they're going to learn when to cut your losses
Speaker 2: that's not given Up's like, don't don't keep doing something
Speaker 2: that will fail. You know that's ridiculous, But you've got
Speaker 2: to keep fighting. You fall down, you've got to get up.
Speaker 1: When do you know if you're if the businesses is
Speaker 1: a failure and it's time to give up.
Speaker 2: I know it now, and that's from years and years
Speaker 2: of making huge mistakes. So now I'm good at it,
Speaker 2: just like you know the heuristic ability we've built up
Speaker 2: over the years of screwing up. Right, So how do
Speaker 2: you know, well, that's fifty one years I've been running
Speaker 2: a business.
Speaker 1: That's why, well you and I know, because we've been
Speaker 1: doing it for so long.
Speaker 2: Right, It's because you screw it up, that's why you know.
Speaker 2: It's not because your magic knows stuff. Yeah, nobody's born
Speaker 2: with knowledge. Yeah, we all learn. Yeah, you've got to.
Speaker 2: And it was and remember a lot of people don't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I've made the same mistakes three times. We're supposed
Speaker 2: to make an idiot.
Speaker 1: But to will marriage three times We'll start.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not going to go there, but yeah, you
Speaker 2: know you personal relationships probably the hardest thing in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think about it everything i've screwed up and
Speaker 2: trying to be better person, better at it and being
Speaker 2: fair not a fool, honest, that's that's what works for me.
Speaker 2: But I'm also not a mark. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: people trying to take advantage of your own life. And
Speaker 2: I'm super tough, but I'm also pushover in other ways.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been quite brutal as well because of
Speaker 2: what happened to me. Sad. I look back, I thought
Speaker 2: I've made three grown men in my company. Big guys
Speaker 2: cry and I'm looking and what are you doing, snowflake?
Speaker 2: I mean like, no compassion, no nothing, this cold maniac
Speaker 2: And then don't do that. I didn't mean to do it,
Speaker 2: but it's like brutality of it because of what's happened
Speaker 2: to me in the past.
Speaker 1: Do you have any regrets about anything you've done?
Speaker 2: And are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Of course a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh. I could write books on my regrets. But what
Speaker 2: vision mirror fix can't fix yesterday, can only fix now.
Speaker 2: It's easy for me to be nice now because I
Speaker 2: got there and I can take time, and I'm not desperate.
Speaker 2: When you're desperate to make money that day, forget being nice,
Speaker 2: forget me, and it's like you come near me and
Speaker 2: you try and stop me. I'm going to I'm going
Speaker 2: to punch in the face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the only things in your head at
Speaker 1: that time. I'm surviving. I'm going to get my next
Speaker 1: step ahead. And that's when you don't make very good job.
Speaker 2: In a brutal area, which is in you know it's
Speaker 2: media entertainers. How how what a bunch of assholes?
Speaker 1: Big smile on stage, smile fuck you, that's my saying.
Speaker 1: You know that you're getting smile.
Speaker 2: Fucked all the time, of course, but you can't let
Speaker 2: that make you better and twisted. I will maintain. I'll
Speaker 2: give everybody a go, but I'm fast to judge. So
Speaker 2: you'll I meet somebody, I'll be open, et cetera. One
Speaker 2: NINEO second, I see, Oh, you're a complete prick. And
Speaker 2: then they're dead, They're gone.
Speaker 1: And do you use brush them all together? You just
Speaker 1: brush them?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have a lot of people, and
Speaker 2: especially now with all this, you know, you get like
Speaker 2: you know, you've had it all your life or for
Speaker 2: long longer than me. You've got money, so people are
Speaker 2: turning up because I want your money. Yeah, so you think, well,
Speaker 2: what do you want? I know what you want, So
Speaker 2: you could become jaded and you you can't let that
Speaker 2: happen because there are nice people. Those people want you
Speaker 2: for you to day.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, I think pet everything is like unfortunately,
Speaker 1: most things in life is transactional.
Speaker 2: Most things rest approsst. Yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The ones I find amusing is they come along and
Speaker 2: they want something from you, but they don't want to
Speaker 2: keep you anything in return.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't work. But they don't understand the reciprocity. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're fools. They think you're going to give them something
Speaker 1: and but there's nothing really going to come anything going
Speaker 1: to come back the other way.
Speaker 2: Stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you how do you live your
Speaker 1: life and keep people away from.
Speaker 2: You like firewalls? Yeah. People, it's hard to get to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to get what I'm saying, Like, do you
Speaker 1: would you call yourself a little bit of a recluse? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well then a proper reculuse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I love it. I'm really happy in my
Speaker 2: own mind. I got some friends. I'm very care very few.
Speaker 2: I mean, real friends do you.
Speaker 1: Have if you can know thousands, Yeah, I'll be tens
Speaker 1: of thousands.
Speaker 2: But yeah. So I'm totally happy in my in my
Speaker 2: social life and what I do. But I don't go out.
Speaker 2: I don't like to go out.
Speaker 1: When people say you don't, do you go out to
Speaker 1: me and you say, well, like, I might as pretty
Speaker 1: much some as yours. I don't care for it. That's
Speaker 1: probably I don't.
Speaker 2: Parties. I get invited all the time, and basically it
Speaker 2: there'll be some fundraiser if I've got my charities and
Speaker 2: I give them their money and then somebody invites me out, saying,
Speaker 2: cut to the chase, Dude, you know what do they mean?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Close? I know what you want.
Speaker 2: You're shitting me. You want some money. I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you no anyway, but learn to close because this
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. You want to come out and buy me lunch?
Speaker 2: No you don't. I don't want your bloody lunch.
Speaker 1: And do do you ever feel as though that you're
Speaker 1: not many people in handle that? Do you feel as
Speaker 1: though sometimes you're being to tickle them?
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. Yeah, they're being rude, and
Speaker 2: I love it. Some of these fundraising people there.
Speaker 1: Complete more on so as your charities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them are. And they get indignant when
Speaker 2: you don't give them your money. I go, well, what
Speaker 2: do you give me your money with?
Speaker 1: Help me through the same process? Beans through the same process.
Speaker 2: It's silly. Yeah yeah, so yeah, no, that's okay. I
Speaker 2: don't have a problem telling people.
Speaker 1: See I mean this this show. He's gone straight talk,
Speaker 1: But it seems like to me that you live by
Speaker 1: you live by that talk straight, tell the straight.
Speaker 2: But I won't do something that will hurt somebody. I'm
Speaker 2: not showing off by doing and that'll only come out
Speaker 2: when somebody oversteps the line, Like you're now being rude
Speaker 2: by trying to push this. You're very bad at it
Speaker 2: and you're you're upsetting me, So you're going to you're
Speaker 2: going to cop it. Very few do because most people
Speaker 2: aren't rude.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like as we get older they we
Speaker 1: get more tolerant.
Speaker 2: I'm getting younger, so I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: So I like that. Well, mate, if you can discover
Speaker 1: that one that is totally disruptive you have and I haven't.
Speaker 1: Don't tell anyone. Don't tell them that?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: Because there's a secret?
Speaker 2: Dude? He crazy? Now we are. I don't know whether
Speaker 2: you want it, but you are going to add too
Speaker 2: well over our hunch. Yeah, because all the diseases are
Speaker 2: being cured and we know how to be healthy. We
Speaker 2: don't smoke anymore.
Speaker 1: Did you have a smoke when I was younger?
Speaker 2: Maybe I could do sixty singings in the night when
Speaker 2: I was running bands and stuff. Madness, You keep that
Speaker 2: that's why everybody died in their forties or fifties, and
Speaker 2: we have here, we are in our late sixties, and
Speaker 2: do we look better than people who were in their forties,
Speaker 2: and there are.
Speaker 1: And we are mates who have died in their forties
Speaker 1: and fifties.
Speaker 2: Yeahs full of yeah, people who have passed.
Speaker 1: Away alcohol, drugs, yep, just shitty lifestyles and the and
Speaker 1: the and then the devil gets them somehow, like you know, cancer,
Speaker 1: part attack, stroke, whatever the fuck it is.
Speaker 2: But we're on it now. Like you know, I'm getting
Speaker 2: bloods done all the time, and vitamins and exercise, fresh air, water, sunshine,
Speaker 2: being chill. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when you get in the morning, okay, let's say
Speaker 1: wake up. Just not three o'clock because you're jet late,
Speaker 1: but let's say it's four thirty whatever. Yeah what five am?
Speaker 2: How? Just freezing too, By the way, I love it.
Speaker 2: And I have all all my doors that happen cold
Speaker 2: as cold in my apartment as it is outside.
Speaker 1: I like I like, I like it. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people want to make the hair hot, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not quite that. I'm not quite that
Speaker 1: cool for me. How did you come over there and
Speaker 1: you've got the I'm just looking at the way you
Speaker 1: dressed you You've got it all cool, man. You actually
Speaker 1: look like a like a Tom Ford out or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not going out with you trying to crack on
Speaker 2: to me happening. I like you too much.
Speaker 1: Come on here, you got it. You've got the same deal.
Speaker 2: Going be a couple of beers.
Speaker 1: When you wake up at five am? And do you
Speaker 1: do you rip into a coffee? Yeah, double espresso, double espresso. Now,
Speaker 1: just to just to sort of refine that a little bit.
Speaker 1: So when you talk about double spresso, like, are you
Speaker 1: when it comes to health and awareness your health? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you so obsessed with it that you will only
Speaker 1: drink so cold press double espresso like there's been brewing
Speaker 1: all night, or you want the property.
Speaker 2: There's this little thing is like a one pot and
Speaker 2: it's in a one shot like a normal and it's
Speaker 2: paper like your hand bleached paper and killer. It's as
Speaker 2: I reckon, ninety five percent, as good as a grind.
Speaker 2: I used to do my own roasting and all I
Speaker 2: get obsessive about everything and then get bored. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's great coffee.
Speaker 1: It's a big but you filter it.
Speaker 2: Basically you feel it's like an espressom this big I'll
Speaker 2: give you one, but that big little glass bottle. Man,
Speaker 2: it's it's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's bang, but you put a little filter thing in there.
Speaker 2: It's these little things have a filter in it. It's
Speaker 2: like a pot a shot of coffee encapsulated in a
Speaker 2: filtered paper. You whack it and you close it, throw it.
Speaker 2: They've been whack another one.
Speaker 1: And oh wow, that's good.
Speaker 2: That's the man best thing I've ever.
Speaker 1: Because it takes something out of the coffee that is
Speaker 1: not no good for us, but it keeps the caffeine
Speaker 1: in and everything. The filter.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's just paper. It's a shot of coffe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like the grind next door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like in the latter because you live around this
Speaker 1: territory around now rather so.
Speaker 2: Like a suburban of world. Don't tell anybody?
Speaker 1: Could I say the name?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 1: Can I say the name? What's the point it is?
Speaker 1: Have you always looked there?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, and then I was a bit different
Speaker 2: then when I came back, probably eight years ago.
Speaker 1: It's a very cool area.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Although I'm living in an apartment building. I
Speaker 2: shouldn't say this, but it's a little bit of a Actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll edit that one appropriately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll get our a edit that one. I
Speaker 1: I edited that bit out. Actually, I edited out and Reserve.
Speaker 2: It's the whole vibe changing in the area. It's becoming older,
Speaker 2: which is a shame on. The younges have been pushed
Speaker 2: out because of the apartment price one room. The size
Speaker 2: of this office is twelve hundred bucks around a week.
Speaker 2: I mean that's well, who can do that? No, I
Speaker 2: don't the young people of creatives, et cetera. That's the
Speaker 2: good part. We'll end up a whole of the rich
Speaker 2: old farts, which is not much fun.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I was having the social sporting
Speaker 1: because it's a Reserve Banks meeting and I always get
Speaker 1: on radio that day and I was talking about there's
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what you do, but I'd just
Speaker 1: be interested to hear with someone like You've got to say,
Speaker 1: for Australia, there are a lot of people, a lot
Speaker 1: of kids, young people, great hard working kids between twenty
Speaker 1: and thirty who look at what their parents might have
Speaker 1: told them and what they've always been thought of. I
Speaker 1: should I'm living in Australia to own a house, or
Speaker 1: should earn a property, but I never I'll never own
Speaker 1: anything in the rest of my life. I'll never get
Speaker 1: to what Peter's got, what Mark's got, or even what
Speaker 1: my father his father might have, or because they think
Speaker 1: they think this is what they say. They say as
Speaker 1: a result, they.
Speaker 2: Think, right, if you think you are.
Speaker 1: They can't afford it. They thought, I think they'll never
Speaker 1: be able to afford to buy a property. What do
Speaker 1: you think about? What do you think about that? I
Speaker 1: mean nothing to do with anything other than the surprises
Speaker 1: I made affordability for young people in Australia Matte.
Speaker 2: Crazy, But it's what I would do.
Speaker 1: What I would I'd love to know what you're thinking about.
Speaker 2: It is get out of Sydney and you your money
Speaker 2: that you make. I know, young people making good day
Speaker 2: if they went to another area, they would have a
Speaker 2: much better life, right and all the peers there the same.
Speaker 2: That's what makes you unhappy if you see the black
Speaker 2: next door doing so much better than you, even though
Speaker 2: you might be doing really well, you're miserable. So don't
Speaker 2: play the game. Don't don't do that. Move But now
Speaker 2: I'm want to stay here.
Speaker 1: And grind away like it's so. What you're saying is paths.
Speaker 1: They should move to another area like bar and Bay
Speaker 1: or wherever that.
Speaker 2: Wherever Campbelltown to the west regional New South Wales. I
Speaker 2: mean there's some beautiful places in the bush dying for
Speaker 2: people and you can get great properties. Lifestyle for kids
Speaker 2: is great, but it's like they're scared of living in Sydney.
Speaker 2: So then they're miserable making thousands a week, both people
Speaker 2: working and they still feel like losers.
Speaker 1: They spending on rent.
Speaker 2: Spend it on rent, right, It's like, don't but.
Speaker 1: Do you think Australia is losing it? Because you and
Speaker 1: I grew up in the sixties and seventies in Australia,
Speaker 1: which was like the bigger dream, the big dream of
Speaker 1: it your men. Mom had this mate, as soon as
Speaker 1: you're going afford it, you save it, deposit by a place.
Speaker 1: You know. That was that's the big Greek thing, which
Speaker 1: I did, and yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Did bought cars instead.
Speaker 1: I bought a property and then I got divorced and
Speaker 1: I had to sell the property the first time. But
Speaker 1: but no, I sort of did it because I could
Speaker 1: afford it. I actually borrowed the money off. I told
Speaker 1: him I borrow the money off Harry Triggeboff. He lent
Speaker 1: me with all the money, not personally, but like what
Speaker 1: year was this seventy six seven, and I bought an apartment.
Speaker 1: He built the apartment, and if you bought one of
Speaker 1: his apartments, he lent you ninety percent of the money.
Speaker 1: I borrowed the other ten percent.
Speaker 2: But I feel very responsible of you at such a
Speaker 2: young age.
Speaker 1: Well, I was married, had a kid, so I was
Speaker 1: twenty that's too you twenty Just yeah, eighteen nine, and
Speaker 1: it was just I just got married and I had
Speaker 1: a kid. Man like I was. I married my girlfriend
Speaker 1: for school, you know that old thing. And and and
Speaker 1: not to know, I don't know any better, but I
Speaker 1: get not sad on all the word is, but I
Speaker 1: feel like young kids never going to get the same
Speaker 1: virtunity that you and I might have had at the
Speaker 1: same age, you know.
Speaker 2: But again the whole house ownership thing, and it was
Speaker 2: the Australian dream and a quarter acre block and all that.
Speaker 2: I remember. Mum and Dad's first place they bought was
Speaker 2: eleven grand in Winston Hills. And not just the time
Speaker 2: and the money changing, it did more than double and
Speaker 2: triple in real terms of what it takes your yearly
Speaker 2: wait right, so become silly. But say in Europe you
Speaker 2: can get long leases. The problem here is six months
Speaker 2: and then they're walking in and.
Speaker 1: Put the round up all that crap.
Speaker 2: So but if you could get a place and it's
Speaker 2: nice and go, here's a thirty or forty.
Speaker 1: Year lease, Happy days, Happy days.
Speaker 2: So we've got to change, right, and what all happened?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure of your ship granuation phones who are
Speaker 2: are roll wash with a coin. We'll start doing that
Speaker 2: because they're quite happy to get there a nice little
Speaker 2: return for the next one hundred and fifty years whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: And you're in this game, dude, this is where you
Speaker 2: should be going. You should be organizing stuff with Harry
Speaker 2: and coming up with rent places. But it's a fame
Speaker 2: as London. The ninety nine year liases is as good
Speaker 2: and you can flog it if you want it, you
Speaker 2: know what I And.
Speaker 1: You're not going to live longer than anyway, So happy days.
Speaker 2: Because what does it matter?
Speaker 1: The big issue is about getting jammed by the landlord.
Speaker 1: For these younger people every six months or tore moments.
Speaker 1: I have to get up there.
Speaker 2: When I was renting, when I broke up with my wife,
Speaker 2: first wife, I was renting, and it's terrible. Even though
Speaker 2: I was having a nice place. Some dude left his
Speaker 2: card on the table, had the keys right, and you
Speaker 2: come into my apartment while I wasn't there, and I
Speaker 2: mean I lost my ship. So then after that, I
Speaker 2: never said it's changed. All the bloody locks every time.
Speaker 2: Fuck them. But it's horrible. You can't hang anything on
Speaker 2: the wall and it's like you feel like, so you're
Speaker 2: writing a form. Do you own or do you rent? Rent? Oh? Rent? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well it shouldn't be a stigma touched to it, but
Speaker 1: there is. And you're right in Europe most people rent places,
Speaker 1: but they get them for a long period of time.
Speaker 1: They ain't going to round them today.
Speaker 2: This is your quest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, don't you think the prime minister should be
Speaker 1: talking to people? The Prime Minister is exactly the treasure
Speaker 1: holding the big summit. When do they invite you to
Speaker 1: come in and talk.
Speaker 2: To about I always find that really funny when they
Speaker 2: have they have tech summits and anything, and they don't
Speaker 2: forget I don't give you shit, I don't want to go.
Speaker 2: But they don't bring in businesses, the little businesses and
Speaker 2: might like me. We have the employers one or two
Speaker 2: of these big internet kind of people, God bless them,
Speaker 2: very clever. A lot of the ain't only about manufacturing
Speaker 2: or employment, like the way we do the group of
Speaker 2: people who make stuff. But we're in there in dieted.
Speaker 1: But what is that? Why do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, well, they're academics, so they're not Will you
Speaker 2: tell me a politician who's run a business, then run
Speaker 2: a lemon. I don't know. I met many of them.
Speaker 1: They're great, but they got well intentional, but.
Speaker 2: They don't know grassroots business and what it's like to
Speaker 2: start something and have no money. So some of the
Speaker 2: concepts are like, well, they're academic concepts of what we
Speaker 2: should do well.
Speaker 1: But you just put an idea on the table, which
Speaker 1: is a you know, I haven't heard this idea.
Speaker 2: Before, but I shop politicians, but I.
Speaker 1: Heard an idea. You put an idea on the table
Speaker 1: that should be put on the table for this summit.
Speaker 1: It comes from Peter Freedman, who you know, he's a
Speaker 1: manufacturer of these things and other things like you know,
Speaker 1: its sound and equipment and everything to do all that technology.
Speaker 2: Leave me alone. I just want to get it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, but the point is that they're not
Speaker 1: talking to people like you. That's my whole point. That's silly, yes,
Speaker 1: and not the don't even have a box where you
Speaker 1: can sort of send something into them and say, well,
Speaker 1: the kip to me to their idea. And you think, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be bothered because if I do
Speaker 1: send it and they're not going to read anyway, they
Speaker 1: won't give me the time of day. Because here we
Speaker 1: are having a podcast about your business and all suddenly
Speaker 1: thought to myself, I'd love to know what peterph somewhere,
Speaker 1: Peter Freeman thinks of this. This probably how would you
Speaker 1: solved We'll get people for your lease?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you and I could sort this totally if
Speaker 2: we wanted to, and we had the coin to put
Speaker 2: to it. Maybe Harris should get involved. But because he
Speaker 2: can do it. Man, what a change to Australia.
Speaker 1: Because this isn't all a bad and I think maybe
Speaker 1: one of the things that drives you was maintaining your dignity.
Speaker 1: But dignity is an important thing. Everyone deserves to have dignity,
Speaker 1: and the indignity of being a renter and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to leave after six months or within six months
Speaker 1: a guy jacks at to a price you can't affords. Sure,
Speaker 1: you don't need that shit.
Speaker 2: The pressure of these young kids, and they've got the
Speaker 2: children and they're working so hard and they're making they're
Speaker 2: bringing in thousands every week and they feel like they're
Speaker 2: on the bread line. I mean that's madness. So one
Speaker 2: of you've got to come up with a sort of
Speaker 2: explanations like what is it what you could do as
Speaker 2: an alternative and regional Australia should do things to attract them.
Speaker 2: There are in the States. I'm going to do a
Speaker 2: lot of work in the States and the local places
Speaker 2: they're bringing people in, they'll they'll help them build a
Speaker 2: house and there's proactive stuff that to attract people there.
Speaker 2: I heard something recently as all as I thought was great.
Speaker 2: I think it's hungry where if a woman has one child,
Speaker 2: that reduced their tax I think if they have three kids,
Speaker 2: they'll never pay tax again. Wow, women, right, So it
Speaker 2: means women can go out of the workforce, but they
Speaker 2: know when they go back in they're making coin. Plus
Speaker 2: we have more population, I mean.
Speaker 1: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: That's like a what a brilliant I don't know what
Speaker 2: other policies they have which are probably stupid, but that
Speaker 2: one sounds bloody good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And whilst we're talking about ideas, you know that's
Speaker 1: our disfe government, and that's great and I love that policy,
Speaker 1: those policies when you're you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: sound like that's good vodka by the way, very good.
Speaker 1: No one knows but the bottles of it. But my
Speaker 1: good ideas you're like for me to some extent when
Speaker 1: you must have made decisions about this sort of stuff
Speaker 1: and the sorts of conception we're talking about relation to
Speaker 1: AI and using that as an AI editor so to speak.
Speaker 2: We'll go at dinner one night. I'll blow your mind
Speaker 2: saying on this, but I'll blow your mind.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the industries of the future?
Speaker 1: I mean, does that's something that you think about much constantly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a huge factory here. I have three
Speaker 2: major companies, you know, one in Seattle, one in Rio Rancho, Albuquerque.
Speaker 2: You know, lots of staff, big real factories. So I'm
Speaker 2: constantly looking at where manufacturing is going. And AI is
Speaker 2: not going to take that either. By the way, That's
Speaker 2: another part of my ongoing success because you've still got
Speaker 2: to make stuff. I can come up with concepts, but
Speaker 2: it can't.
Speaker 1: Make it physically, can't make it.
Speaker 2: No, but there'll be less requirement of certain people. That's
Speaker 2: the big danger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but those certain people can be redirected into do
Speaker 1: other ways. I don't know the answer to that. I
Speaker 1: can't hear. But like a postman who used to deliver
Speaker 1: the mile, he's probably doing delivering He's probably delivering Uber
Speaker 1: eats or something now. But at least you can do something.
Speaker 1: He's delivering something.
Speaker 2: Because that's the scary stuff.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Who would have.
Speaker 1: Ever thought that one of the biggest industries in the
Speaker 1: world would become couriers, the humble courier Because we buy
Speaker 1: really online, we're going to get delivered as.
Speaker 2: A service industry is what is going to flourish and
Speaker 2: live performance and this sort of thing and theater and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm involved. Sydney Festival is looking at what
Speaker 2: they're doing next year and it's exciting and we're going
Speaker 2: to want more of that. But doctors, lawyers, accountants, lots
Speaker 2: of design and say universities, I'm a bit of a
Speaker 2: shit SERI. I write an article on LinkedIn and basically
Speaker 2: if anybody says to me they're studying for a doctorate
Speaker 2: or why you're of no use anymore? I got that
Speaker 2: in my computer. Now every paper that has ever been written,
Speaker 2: and then cross discipline completely. So I'm sorry if you're
Speaker 2: a specialist. I'm a generalist. What I wrote this article
Speaker 2: about it a little bit about a real lot of stuff,
Speaker 2: and now the world is my oyster. Yeah. Completely, And
Speaker 2: if you've got a kid who's like that, they're going
Speaker 2: to inherit the earth. You don't need to be a specialist.
Speaker 2: You need to be a generalist. And then use.
Speaker 1: AI because I could ask a question this morning about
Speaker 1: university when I was on the radio, and.
Speaker 2: I hope you have a degree? Do you?
Speaker 1: I do very humorous, but will roll it up. That's
Speaker 1: my era. That's no, I get it.
Speaker 2: I grew up. But people work doesn't mean union's going
Speaker 2: to disappear now, not quickly, because society doesn't change quickly,
Speaker 2: and they'll hang on for a long time. So somebody actually,
Speaker 2: one of the guys that work, Damien, my CEO, and
Speaker 2: he said he's right. I think he said it was
Speaker 2: when people who are thirty five now dead. That's the
Speaker 2: kind of timeframe. That's when all these things we're saying
Speaker 2: we'll have taken hold. There won't be those units, there
Speaker 2: won't be you know, even your doctors and we will
Speaker 2: have all the auto blood tests and you know, but
Speaker 2: our governments are going to make the doctors control it
Speaker 2: in the short term and I can see exactly what's
Speaker 2: going to happen, but there are going to be people
Speaker 2: who are going to be.
Speaker 1: Out of work, going to end up. It's my answer
Speaker 1: was that will become a plumber.
Speaker 2: You have how many plumbers?
Speaker 1: Well, we need a lot of here and austral at
Speaker 1: the moment electrician building.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know the future for everybody, and
Speaker 2: they're still churning out thousands of people who will not
Speaker 2: have any.
Speaker 1: Work, and there's universe is definitely out.
Speaker 2: But even kids now blows my mind. You're sort of
Speaker 2: talking to parents and people that still don't understand, even
Speaker 2: from young to any age group, and you do know
Speaker 2: what's happening. Can you not see the two kilometer high
Speaker 2: tsunami out there? And they're going, what I can see it?
Speaker 2: You can see it, but very few can. We could.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of snobs out there too.
Speaker 1: They think, well, you know, if you don't have a
Speaker 1: university degree.
Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about how they're going to be wiped out.
Speaker 2: Who cares about the snobs?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the their jobs on yesterday made.
Speaker 2: Means nothing. Yeah, we can as an example, so this
Speaker 2: is how I walk around with this pocket all the
Speaker 2: time because I can't help myself like a little kid.
Speaker 2: There's a wireless transmitter from this new company. Right, So
Speaker 2: the code and this is the best in the world
Speaker 2: who use their old film. Right, there's code in which
Speaker 2: takes you have to be a specialist to write it
Speaker 2: in that area for years and it would take weeks
Speaker 2: and weeks to do. We can do a new code
Speaker 2: on an AI now to three minutes and it's better.
Speaker 2: So for that for an any device like that. What
Speaker 2: does that thing that's a wireless transmitter? Come on, man,
Speaker 2: you've been there everybody film, you know, when you see
Speaker 2: a movie, every Hollywood movie uses actually this brand company.
Speaker 2: So it's like a lab mic, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeh yeah, yeah, but you're wa't carrying around what what
Speaker 1: you're carrying around with?
Speaker 2: You get the vibe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, ship tell me the truth going whatever? Really sure
Speaker 1: it's grabbing something from the from it.
Speaker 2: So I just look at it now and again, and
Speaker 2: then I can think. My mind works in a very
Speaker 2: strange way, and so I'll look at that and I
Speaker 2: think about another product.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think about it the way?
Speaker 2: I'm really strange? I really love it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well you're happy with it, that's the most boyling.
Speaker 1: But do you ever think to yourself? My mind does
Speaker 1: think differently to others?
Speaker 2: Now? Do I didn't know that. That was the hard part,
Speaker 2: because you know, how do you know you're a certain way?
Speaker 2: He just used you and then kind of recently was diagnosed.
Speaker 2: I think I've watched a Jim Jeffery singer. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I agree with him, and he was diagnosed. I think
Speaker 2: from memory as a kid, right, I'm dyslexic, and it
Speaker 2: came late. I was told. I didn't know that. I
Speaker 2: just thought everybody thought that. So right now I've said
Speaker 2: this before. I'm thinking about half a dozen things right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're talking and I'm acting, and.
Speaker 1: I always call it a performance.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm also thinking about work and other stuff.
Speaker 2: But that's I thought everybody did. So now I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about this now as well.
Speaker 1: Yeahs your question, because the.
Speaker 2: Movie going on here, actually three movies going on, and
Speaker 2: some of them are good.
Speaker 1: And sometimes sometimes I think of myself, if we.
Speaker 2: Could do this again. Sometimes I did bring me vodka
Speaker 2: every seven minutes. Drink.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I think of myself when we have a
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody actually not talking to them at all.
Speaker 1: We're having conversation with ourself. We're actually talking to ourself,
Speaker 1: whether they interact with what we say or not.
Speaker 2: And we want to come across a certain way. So
Speaker 2: do you two wankers trying to show.
Speaker 1: Off we're having a conversations.
Speaker 2: Well, from time to time, yeah, ans and lies, aren't they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's from time to time. So I'm a banker
Speaker 1: and I'm a liar, and but but I do really
Speaker 1: think we haven't like because often have to ask it.
Speaker 1: I'm to address the crowd and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: I think I'm actually talking to them. Makes you're talking
Speaker 1: to myself the whole time. But they people then are
Speaker 1: having a conversation in their own hand.
Speaker 3: About what I'm doing. I could tell you're authentic. I'm
Speaker 3: really believe you're a real person. I believe in stuff.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I do have conversations with
Speaker 3: myself all the time. And I don't mean in a
Speaker 3: sense that I'm talking to myself. But as far as
Speaker 3: I'm concerned, my conversation, my conversation is not two ways
Speaker 3: it's one way.
Speaker 1: It's in my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't you question yourself like I love that
Speaker 2: I analyzed. I can't. Why did you say that? Why
Speaker 2: did you stupid?
Speaker 1: It's great, Yeah, that's so your talking to yourself.
Speaker 2: Idiots shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: It was funny this morning, yeah, because you know how
Speaker 1: they say get into the light in the morning, because
Speaker 1: the morning. So I did that this morning. And what
Speaker 1: I just found a part where I could go do
Speaker 1: was it was in Betatic guards and I was sitting
Speaker 1: there and I had my phone and I was, this
Speaker 1: sounds a bit bit terrible blood. So I was on
Speaker 1: I was on one of the AI protocols and I
Speaker 1: was once I was I asked a question, but I
Speaker 1: had an allow speaker, so I was, I was talking
Speaker 1: to it and I was I was talking to me back,
Speaker 1: and I was talking to the lads about mitochondria, and
Speaker 1: I was asking the asking the protocol about we just
Speaker 1: explain to me how the electron transport system works when
Speaker 1: it comes to mitochondria. Anyway, it starts to get in
Speaker 1: all your Yeah, still give me the long conversation. And
Speaker 1: a dude walks past and sits down right next to me.
Speaker 1: And he could hear mine was a female voice, and
Speaker 1: he could hear a female voice talking to me. And
Speaker 1: I'm just talking back to it, and it's talking to me.
Speaker 1: And I looked, I look. I didn't want to look
Speaker 1: at it because I was sort of trying to construct
Speaker 1: with saying because it was quite complex and I was
Speaker 1: trying to understand it and try and remember and put
Speaker 1: it together. And I looked across the guy and the
Speaker 1: guys guy or I was actually talking to a person,
Speaker 1: and it was so good. It was so good.
Speaker 2: But you are gain to the more advanced AI assistance
Speaker 2: that you're going to have very very soon. It's going
Speaker 2: to be somebody that knows you. Yeah, he knows everything
Speaker 2: about you. It's also tapped into grow, GPT, whatever, ninety
Speaker 2: three deep seek all of them, and it's you have
Speaker 2: the power of the world right.
Speaker 1: It is amazing, man, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: It's just like we are living in the most mind
Speaker 2: blowing time.
Speaker 1: Do you think the time will come when you don't
Speaker 1: need a partner or you don't need anybody in your
Speaker 1: life and you get this? Do you actually talk to this?
Speaker 1: Do you talk to all the time? What?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you mean? No need a partner. Do
Speaker 2: you want a sex for robot? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, we're not apart from physicality. I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about in terms of company. Weird now company company.
Speaker 2: Like a person will vacuum and I can't talk to
Speaker 2: you talking about.
Speaker 1: That's what make me talk like this is how many
Speaker 1: vodkas they give me? They give you a spike in
Speaker 1: the drinks. So but do you think that time will
Speaker 1: come when they will people? There will be there will
Speaker 1: be a fake version of Peter Friedman sitting there like
Speaker 1: physically looks exact like a robot, and you'll be, you know,
Speaker 1: embedded with this.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got one for you.
Speaker 1: I go for you, so you might join the real
Speaker 1: Peter Friedman.
Speaker 2: Who knows? I think I'm a simulation. I think it
Speaker 2: could be we could both be in a simulator.
Speaker 1: Bring me the right Peter Freeman, and please, I want
Speaker 1: to see the rule.
Speaker 2: Real slim shady. So the thing that I am going
Speaker 2: to do, and I don't I wouldn't want it, Like
Speaker 2: my mum and dad had been going a long time.
Speaker 2: I can't remember their voices, but I'm going to be
Speaker 2: able to. I'm going to do it anyway, scan myself, really,
Speaker 2: really high there and then answer all these incredible questions
Speaker 2: and I'll have my voice, and so in the future, grandkids,
Speaker 2: great grandkids can log on and talk to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it will be me.
Speaker 1: I definitely want it, but I don't want it.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I don't want it for myself at all.
Speaker 2: I think I've got to do it.
Speaker 1: I would like to have it for them, right one percent.
Speaker 1: That's because you know I did when my dad was
Speaker 1: dying last year. I recorded every before he went in
Speaker 1: the hospital. I record every conversation that he had with me,
Speaker 1: every message. I've kept it in my still my phone,
Speaker 1: and every now and then I remember my parents just
Speaker 1: the sound. It's so important. Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: So that's why I want to do it. But then
Speaker 2: they go like I want that, No, I want to
Speaker 2: leave my mom and dad where you know where it is.
Speaker 2: But I have to do it because my grandkids, all
Speaker 2: great grandkids are along. Game might want that.
Speaker 1: You know have great and grandkids, yet my grandkids, your grandkids.
Speaker 1: Haven't you got four? Yeah? I got I got three
Speaker 1: and one on the way. Yeah, the three boys in
Speaker 1: one hopefully a grand daughter coming. Because there are four sons.
Speaker 1: I don't have any there's all men in my life
Speaker 1: like no, no, no girls. But look, we're really looking
Speaker 1: FOROD to get a granddaughter, suit mate. I'm getting it.
Speaker 1: I'm getting hit up down here by the side because
Speaker 1: I think you've upset editor too, because he's going to
Speaker 1: get replaced by your AI and I can show.
Speaker 2: A matter pivot.
Speaker 1: He's getting upset now. But I'm going to wind it
Speaker 1: up now, mate, But I'll tell you what really seriously,
Speaker 1: it didn't dig deep enough Manute, Yeah I could. But
Speaker 1: the problem you know what the problem I have now is,
Speaker 1: and I'll say it publicly. I have to go and
Speaker 1: listen to the Reserve Bank government make a speech for
Speaker 1: the interest rates way more, way more in so I
Speaker 1: said to the guys. But like, unfortunately, that's well, we
Speaker 1: can do it again.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's time over a drink.
Speaker 2: I like it all right, good on