WEBVTT - #207 Peter Freedman: The Aussie Billionare who changed Podcasting forever

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<v Speaker 1>Better Freedman. Yes, sir, well do straight talk, mate, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much, thanks very much for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>I got inspired recently. I said, the boys, come, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get this guy because like man like, he's such a legend.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw her and I saw you being interviewed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was by Forbes or one of those,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, what the hell, I've got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him. I really want to know his story, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure your audience does too. So and just for

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<v Speaker 1>the sake of it, you're the founder, wrote importantly right

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<v Speaker 1>here in front of us, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Edmond Group.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Freeman Group, Freeman Group. This is you, mate, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is you. How do you feel every time you

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<v Speaker 1>sit down or you look at something and you see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Rode on the side here, How do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel when you see it?

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<v Speaker 2>I never get tired of it. It's amazing and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>humbled still. I mean, I think it's lucky that it

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<v Speaker 2>all happened to me when I was older, so that

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<v Speaker 2>I realized how special it is, because if it happened

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<v Speaker 2>when I was young, I think I would have believed

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<v Speaker 2>it was all me. So yeah, and the team, not

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<v Speaker 2>the magic not the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting sometimes just sometimes you sit back and reflect.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I just say it just before we walked in,

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<v Speaker 1>and I should say this for straight up, there are very

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<v Speaker 1>few Australians who actually create a product, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>hate using the word, but it's probably proven. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>it disrupts and it becomes a global disruption. There's very

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<v Speaker 1>few strainds have done that globally, and you're one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So Road Equipment, I'm proud of it for sure. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a team. You a thousand people. Now, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it started with me and a couple of people, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just me, but it's amazing. Can you go

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<v Speaker 2>back to how it started? It? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I was a story where I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>your your free, your name's Peter Freeman. I look at

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<v Speaker 1>the O and the road looks like something out of

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<v Speaker 1>one of those Viking movies.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the story Danish. Yeah, I just did was

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<v Speaker 2>added that we made up the name. I haded that

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<v Speaker 2>to make it more European, right right. I didn't start

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<v Speaker 2>Road to make any money. It was just a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of extra I was doing installs and clubs and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've told the story many times. I screwed it

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<v Speaker 2>up in the late eighties, brought a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 2>got into trouble, lost my house, lost the walk to work.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a nightmare. Had eight years a hell. But

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<v Speaker 2>from that came this. But it wasn't planned. I didn't expect.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just right place at the right time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I worked harder before, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've just been modest sounds, not at all. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like for real and like just right.

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<v Speaker 2>That was amazing. Before it wasn't making any money.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the same. Yeah, But do you have like

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<v Speaker 1>in your background, like you a mechinical?

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<v Speaker 2>My father was My mother and father were in sound

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<v Speaker 2>equipment back in the fifties and I was born in Stockholm,

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<v Speaker 2>dads of London. So it's been my whole life literally

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<v Speaker 2>born into it. I've known nothing other than professional sound.

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<v Speaker 2>I have memories, I said the other day, back to

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three with my dad doing a sound for a

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<v Speaker 2>band in Sweden, and I remember being there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So I've seen sound equipment all my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you feel obviously Australian, but do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel in the heritage sense, do you have a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of Northern Europinion Australia dead said Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I came when I was young, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I remember Sweden. I didn't speak English when I came.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like a movie and I love Australia. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been this at sixty six, so yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't I've been here for sixty years.

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<v Speaker 2>An a formative part of my life. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny because I said I spoke Swedish, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>at the right time. If you go past a certain age,

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<v Speaker 2>you end up with an accent. I think twelve or

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<v Speaker 2>but I was. I got here seven eight nearly, so

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<v Speaker 2>just banging. It was beaten out of me. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have that.

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<v Speaker 1>Any been beaten out of your parents or kids kids. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because do you know I yes, I was Suporn fifty

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<v Speaker 1>six fifty six okay, yeah, and it was a violent time, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, and I came. We're west and I'm the only

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<v Speaker 2>walking school and so all the skips are there, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were incredibly cruel little mafia and they'd wait for

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<v Speaker 2>me a couple o k walk or something. They'd be

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<v Speaker 2>down the creek to beat.

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<v Speaker 1>Me out, which parc grew which part of Cyni.

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<v Speaker 2>You was Winston Hills. We were in West Right first

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<v Speaker 2>for a little while, and then we went to Winston

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<v Speaker 2>Hills and yeah, they're evil little fuckers, but because they

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<v Speaker 2>incredible too, they didn't do it every day, so we

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<v Speaker 2>were in terror all the time waiting for them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we are. I don't know if you had brothers or

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<v Speaker 2>cousins or something to help you the former militia, I didn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, that was my entree into the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you think that stuff has any like long

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<v Speaker 1>lasting formative effects on you?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think? Yeah, yeah, of course it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that along with like I had no real friends

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<v Speaker 2>a bit speaking, so I lived in beside my head

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, which I still do, and and then being

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<v Speaker 2>told that I'm no good loser everything constantly, and then

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<v Speaker 2>eventually find out where you might be able to do something,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you've got something to prove. So for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>my drive is that you need to have something to

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<v Speaker 2>drive you, and that's that's definitely mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that would that be a conscious decision for something

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<v Speaker 1>like you?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a subconscious It's only through years of I

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<v Speaker 2>mean introspection. Now, I mean, how do you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>I look back, why are you who? You are studying

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<v Speaker 2>myself for a while. Now I get it. It all

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<v Speaker 2>comes from being a child, you know, yeah, everything, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're marked from punching, so you know. Yeah right, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was. I was well at the school so

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<v Speaker 1>like and you know, I had the father out the

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<v Speaker 1>accident violent. It totally was. It was, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other kids there. We had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Lebanese at our school and a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>kids there who were you know, those days escaping Lebanon

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<v Speaker 1>which was at war, and they come with pretty tough credentials,

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<v Speaker 1>those kids and I had a lot to prove and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a pretty cruel place. I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's why they have all these rules on laws now

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<v Speaker 1>about what you can say, which you can't say, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>But some people say it's woke. What do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>now today? You can't say things today to kids, but

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<v Speaker 1>you could say things the things got said to us

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<v Speaker 1>when we were growing up, like what are your wog bastard?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, go back, what were you doing bring

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<v Speaker 1>that to that food to lunch? Today we're eating whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though it's fantastic now, they all want to eat it.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to, But I've got Greeks in my family mate.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Lebanese and my family. You know, we're a big mix.

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<v Speaker 2>Is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>We are too these days, but it's funny. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Back at those days, I actually stupid, but like I

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<v Speaker 1>actually died. I was dying to have a pie on Mondays.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just want to be like them in a

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<v Speaker 1>Lamington pile of source.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, lem, yeah, you don't want to stand out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just thought, actually it was great if I

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<v Speaker 1>could get Monday was the day you got your bought

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<v Speaker 1>your lunch because in those days bread was stylee by

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<v Speaker 1>satur Day or something like that, and breadbass that had

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<v Speaker 1>livered every day. Monday you didn't get it on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Monday was the day went and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a pie.

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<v Speaker 1>School. So I often wonder about your business or something

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<v Speaker 1>like you do you have to be or were you

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<v Speaker 1>or do you employ like because I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>beautifully designer was just talk to the guys before about

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<v Speaker 1>the design of this. It's something something theatrical about it

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<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mike's a very personal Yeah, you can make something

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<v Speaker 2>sound fantastic, but it has to look a certain way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a guitar. I mean, nothing will change. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>be Strats and Telly Venders forever in Les Paul. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care what happens because that's the way guitar looks

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<v Speaker 2>saying with the mic and especially a handheld mike. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the entertainment game, right. You might think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a technology game, but no, we're masters of entertainment. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've done that mixing bands. According I understand the entertainers.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand stage craft. And that's why we're so good

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<v Speaker 2>at what we do because we understand content creators. We're

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<v Speaker 2>probably the best at content creators in the world. So you,

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<v Speaker 2>when you can mentor you bro can make this become

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<v Speaker 2>huge if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm happy. I'm over to that. So did you

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<v Speaker 1>will you do? You say that you designed this for

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<v Speaker 1>content creators, knowing what they needed in terms of theater,

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<v Speaker 1>but also they need to look that way. Lookin sound

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<v Speaker 1>really good? So maybe take me through it then, So.

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<v Speaker 2>You keep scratching that mic. We don't have all these sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very tagulous. I've got my tech guy over there.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, what are you doing? So when you when

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<v Speaker 1>I look at this and these gurus, the color, the casing,

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<v Speaker 1>the holding of it, the shape. Can you take me

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<v Speaker 1>through it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there are aspects of this which are technical, so

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<v Speaker 2>that the holes on the side excep that changes of

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<v Speaker 2>the pick up right, which means you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>mainly from the front. You don't want so much on

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<v Speaker 2>the size and certainly it's called a cardioid pattern. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's technical aspects of that design. But then there's also

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<v Speaker 2>cues styling. Cues of microphones in the past, you know

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<v Speaker 2>are twenty from electro voice. I mean currently I think

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<v Speaker 2>you use shore s and seven B quite quite a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>which a lot of people do because other people do

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<v Speaker 2>it and they're great mics, but they look a certain way.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't come along with a shiny triangle point. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care what it looks like. You're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be accepted.

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<v Speaker 1>But the theater of this, so particularly for a podcast, particular,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a podcast try to make a difference or

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<v Speaker 1>actually want to be part of the podcasting media like

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<v Speaker 1>millions of them, the design and shape of it, apart

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<v Speaker 1>from the acoustic reasons. Was there something that inspired you

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of what it looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just part of my DNA. Like if you said

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<v Speaker 2>to me design a mic, I can because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know where it comes from. Because we're talking fifty

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<v Speaker 2>not fifty sixty years of seeing this stuff and so

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<v Speaker 2>pencil it out and it'll be right.

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<v Speaker 1>And does that mean to be that person?

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<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>To actually build this up? Do you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>an industrial designer?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you have to do to go to university?

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<v Speaker 1>Just or stuff with is just something you just sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and draw.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I didn't finish high school. That as what I

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<v Speaker 2>was throwing out of school. Yeah, but I couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So but you pick up a lot of things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So I started up. I worked out a way around

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<v Speaker 2>what I needed after I left school. But I left sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't any point and they kind of suggested I leave,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't. Plus my dad was six so I

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<v Speaker 2>had to kind of take over when I was sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, then did you that pass away.

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<v Speaker 2>In eighty seven? But he'd been sick a lot with

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<v Speaker 2>heart problems, and so I worked in the company. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like the classic milk bar, right, you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the Greek milk bar, right, what are the kids doing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're serving in the milk. But that's except my was sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Equipment wasn't a choice actually, but you did it anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>What you did? You know? I was with him after school,

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<v Speaker 2>I was on saturdays. You know, I love it. Know

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else, but yeah, there's there's so many different things

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<v Speaker 2>that have happened to me. Kind of thought about it

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<v Speaker 2>when because I mentioned the story so many times, people

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<v Speaker 2>sort of dig the rags, the riches and the phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>rising from the ashes, excepting that's so inspiring. But so

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<v Speaker 2>much of what's driven to me has been from some

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<v Speaker 2>serious pain. And even I remember one teacher, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe he did it. I was at fourteen and

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<v Speaker 2>I really liked him. I thought he liked me, and

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<v Speaker 2>one day for that no reason. He's a freedman. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to do any join your dad. You get

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<v Speaker 2>money for nothing. You'll never be anything. You're a loser.

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<v Speaker 2>The teacher, it's got it. I'll never forget it. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope he's fucking dead. I wish I could find out

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<v Speaker 2>where his grave was, because I'll kiss on it. But

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<v Speaker 2>you knowf like that, it sits in you. It's damaging,

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<v Speaker 2>but then if there's a fire there going to go,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to show well I'm not a loser eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>because for all you think you are, it's pretty shitty time.

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<v Speaker 2>But everybody has a shitty time. You go back to

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<v Speaker 2>anybody's life, it's all about their childhood, you know, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than the ones who have had a great child because

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<v Speaker 2>then they've got no drive because it's all too good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I know, by the way, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>possibly the case, is certainly the truth for some people

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<v Speaker 1>that I know, but not many people can actually take

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<v Speaker 1>a shitty childhood, or maybe half the people take a

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<v Speaker 1>shitty child and they turn out to be not so

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<v Speaker 1>good and they it fox them up and then they

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<v Speaker 1>can't achieve any And then some people somehow manage to

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<v Speaker 1>use that as an energy source to do something good

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<v Speaker 1>and like it drives them.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is luck there as well. Man, I this

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<v Speaker 2>mightn't have worked, and I would have carried on and

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<v Speaker 2>made a living and been a bitter and twisted old

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<v Speaker 2>man instead of worked. And here I am thinking I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to take over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you sort of have in relation to.

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<v Speaker 2>Speak. It's crazy right at our age, I feel better, fitter,

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<v Speaker 2>stronger than I was when I was thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>So how much of that do you though? Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Does your own success inspire you to become better, fitter, stronger?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, and just say fuck it, I'm going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm amazing, mate.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but you do you look at it. You're fit.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel great.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you fitter now than, for example, then you would

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<v Speaker 1>have been, say ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Ago, I'm fitter now that I'm a thirty right.

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<v Speaker 1>And you feel stronger like you have regimes?

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<v Speaker 2>Mat I work out. I mean, I'm if you saw

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm living at the moment, I love it. Right

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<v Speaker 2>in an apartment nice, no furniture in there, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a reason for it, but just full of weights. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just work out three days, three times a day,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes eat protein, shakes, water, creates. I mean, I'm gone nuts,

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<v Speaker 2>but I love it. And then I work research.

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<v Speaker 1>You seen your house like a gym?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, teenagers place? It's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but do you have Do you watch Netflix or

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<v Speaker 1>let that leave?

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<v Speaker 2>Which tell me really no, no, I'd rather just do research.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's your that's your entertainment really totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just come home. I hate I mean, weekends are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of weird. I'll come home on Friday. I just

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wish we worked seven days. So it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But I came home on a Friday, a house full

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<v Speaker 2>of food. We're going to get some and then and

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<v Speaker 2>it's Monday. It's just because I'm moved, I'm left there

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<v Speaker 2>other than working out inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you cook for yourself? Do you cook for yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>You may become a great cook because I left home

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<v Speaker 2>early as well, so to learn to cook a die.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'll make it, and you want your name

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<v Speaker 2>the cuisine, bro, I'll do.

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<v Speaker 1>It how impoints tell to you. Then now, because I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I know everything, all of a sudden becomes the

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<v Speaker 1>most important in my life. Yeah, there's no point in

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<v Speaker 1>being successful, you're fucking dead.

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<v Speaker 2>So but oh I up to that probably ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it's done in the last year or two

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<v Speaker 2>that I really focused on and I gained a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of weight being a bit depressed recently, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you get out of that? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you get so out of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Gives you a realization that life, health, fitness is all

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<v Speaker 2>you've got. And you know, you start a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit away, you get a bit better, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know you're on a roll the minute. You mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's crazy. You can't stop on you once

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<v Speaker 2>you get there. I feel better than when I was thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an addiction in it totally to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be fit, and it's I'm calm as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing upsets me. It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people would love to know someone is as successful

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<v Speaker 1>as you and not just successful with the full stop,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know you're continueing to be successful. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that what you do in a moment. But some

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<v Speaker 1>people love to know what is the routine of someone

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<v Speaker 1>like Peter. So when you just mentioned how you.

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<v Speaker 2>Live but single minded?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so what about what happens when you wake up

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Go a bit of Like I'm traveling a lot at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, so we're away every three or four weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm waking up at three thirty something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, do you bounce out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Now, I mean I like a drink, but I

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm at harm and I drink, Yeah, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>drop for me alcohol off, I'll give you shit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but then if I'm going to drink, it'll be spectacular.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I don't drink when I'm at home and

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I pop up and then have a shake

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<v Speaker 2>or some some protein and lift six thousand. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you listen to a podcast or check out something

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<v Speaker 2>on AI and you know it's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you say you're researching stuff, you're not just really,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not just researching this sort of stuff. You're researching lots.

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<v Speaker 2>Of We're doing so much tech now because there's three

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<v Speaker 2>major companies we've got. We're obviously Sound wireless technology, Live

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<v Speaker 2>Sound because the company Macky I bought, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>same areas. Plus we're very deep in AI. For most people,

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<v Speaker 2>AI is you know, deep seek chat, grock whatever. I

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<v Speaker 2>got my own. I put thirty million too, my own.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how you make money out of AH. You you

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<v Speaker 2>have your own like a small language model and go

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<v Speaker 2>very pointy. So it's a little bit different to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You build a small language model, Your build a small

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<v Speaker 2>We're constantly working.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you what are you feeding on?

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<v Speaker 2>What can't tell you?

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<v Speaker 1>But you go, you find, you find somewhere where you

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<v Speaker 1>can where you can live in my area, Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 1>your your your stuff in your area.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then so if I wanted if I if

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to Now I could just record you, which

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<v Speaker 2>I am anyway, and then I'll mimic you. I can

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<v Speaker 2>do the whole podcast, make it perfect, make it funny,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever I want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, through your through your own AI. And there's your

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<v Speaker 1>objective to use your I in a more commercial sense

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<v Speaker 1>of course. Yeah, so that's like to help you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a new proctimize. Well, we've got some stuff already.

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<v Speaker 2>But so let's say we're doing this and all you

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<v Speaker 2>look back on it and you go, damn, I should

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<v Speaker 2>have asked that question, and I think I should have. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we just do that and then we'll generate the video

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll drop that in and away we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with my voice everything. Yeah, it's you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why you've got to be careful. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>can ring your mates and it'll be you talking. So

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<v Speaker 2>if it's about money, you need a code word. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that of Okay, I've sort of seen that's

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<v Speaker 2>so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>To we've we faked Obama's voice here doing interview with

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<v Speaker 1>me and faked his face something like that, and we

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<v Speaker 1>released it on one April.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but people go, it's going to take away human creative.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not true. So there's Ai, the two Ais, there's

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<v Speaker 2>authentic intelligence, and I still want to hear you. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to make sure that it's really you. But we'll

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<v Speaker 2>clean it up and we'll make it better. We'll make

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<v Speaker 2>this into the most produced slick show ever because we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to use the tools.

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<v Speaker 1>And will that will that accompany, that tool in due

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<v Speaker 1>course a company. Your sound system.

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<v Speaker 2>Is part of the and I hate the word and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say ecosis does, but yeah, put money

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<v Speaker 2>in the jar. But yeah, it is so the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we make technology, but that's who cares, right, It's what

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<v Speaker 2>can we do with this thing? That's what we're about.

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<v Speaker 2>And man, the stuff that we're working on incredible. I

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<v Speaker 2>can record meetings and it'll automatically label who's talking. It

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<v Speaker 2>will give me a complete print out of it. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>and at the end of it, it could talk for three

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<v Speaker 2>hours and I'm go give me a praisy of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing and bang, there it is. You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>turn into a podcast and let's make it funny and

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be a digital moderator. It's incredible, man, But it's

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<v Speaker 2>all going to be for people. It's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be I don't want to see a fully generated thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not interested. Most people aren't make tools.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do? This is to continue to reshape, restructure

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<v Speaker 1>the let's call it the pacasting industry.

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<v Speaker 2>Have something that that's what I do. It's my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be sortentious and saying like an

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<v Speaker 2>art just painting, but it's it's kind of that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to do anymore, but it's what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, why does Paul McCartney play gigs because he's

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<v Speaker 2>the muser?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you are? Do you? I don't understand the phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>But why do you think podcasting because you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>tapped into the growth of podcasting industry, either that or

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<v Speaker 1>you help create the podcasting is why do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it has grown outside of the fact that it's stuff

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<v Speaker 1>successible like this and they can turn themselves into a

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<v Speaker 1>broadhast But why do people want to do it? Do

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<v Speaker 1>not know? Why do peopleant to listen? Why do people

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<v Speaker 1>want a podcast? Why are there's so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing well what people want to do? They want to

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<v Speaker 2>make money out of it? Why do people want to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to it? They want to learn? You know? And

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<v Speaker 2>the thing with it is now though you look like

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<v Speaker 2>diary ceo Lex Friedman yours, except there's so much out there,

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<v Speaker 2>right all they are incredibly interesting. I watched quite a

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.720
<v Speaker 2>few of yours there, Herrick Banner and not he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>were running out of time. So we've got to tighten

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<v Speaker 2>him up, you know. And then but the long form

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<v Speaker 2>podcast is I'm not Wagan. It's still I'm not. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's personal. I'm not so much into him. I like information,

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<v Speaker 2>so like Lex, yeah, but you know, I like to

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<v Speaker 2>see a three hour deep dive, right, But then I

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<v Speaker 2>would tighten him up as well, so that but that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what you do. You're not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of me. If somebody system, can you come along

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to do like a twenty minute any

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<v Speaker 2>of you go, no, I'm not interested because you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to find out anything from me. You need to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to me for a long time and outcomes some stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We piss off half of it and then it's some

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<v Speaker 2>gems there and we tighten it up and it's skill. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So and I want to consume that the way I

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<v Speaker 2>want to consume it. I want to press the button

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<v Speaker 2>and go give me all that in ten minutes and bang, it'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it not in a text, but in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a video, in a video, auto auto edited, auto edits, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And it will also learn what I what I like.

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<v Speaker 2>So parts of your podcast will go, well, here's one

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<v Speaker 2>that suits what you're interested in from for a mark

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<v Speaker 2>two hour podcast of course, killer, that's what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So is that because you're Is that because it knows

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<v Speaker 1>which parts of my video, my my podcast that you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to do in the part that you spent over, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll know what I mean. It's time stamping. It just

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<v Speaker 1>goes through all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the way you feed the model. Like so

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much in what we're talking about now, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the fillers. Get rid of them, tighten them up

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<v Speaker 2>and still make it flow. Yeah, but we can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>We can. We can see it for two hours and

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<v Speaker 2>then we can condense that with clever editing. Your guys

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<v Speaker 2>doing it to thirty minute thing highlights.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's sort of what the guys do.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, other people won't you know, I want the

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<v Speaker 2>long form I'm going to now and listen to them.

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.359
<v Speaker 2>It's like the cooking show, you know, just let it

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<v Speaker 2>run one camera, one take off, you go, they drop things.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting, Yeah, but I don't need to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I go, give me, I'm driving to work, give

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<v Speaker 2>me ten minutes of tight mark talking to somebody. I

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<v Speaker 2>want the info.

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<v Speaker 1>Or I'm driving a bar and I'm able to listen

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<v Speaker 1>the next three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, what's your choice? Click three, two one,

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes and they're all giving me the metal salient

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<v Speaker 2>points in ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be happy with that. But if you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>the AI, if I could say, if the AO said

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<v Speaker 1>to me, helling at me in the car for mark

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<v Speaker 1>three hours, give me the long form, there you go. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll give me a long for it'll give you what

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you want. Or I've only got forty minutes, give me this.

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<v Speaker 2>And then references off everything you say. Then you go,

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd like to learn more about that part.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's all okay, I said, references whatever you want, like

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<v Speaker 1>as an addendum sort of at the back. Yeah, that's cool.

0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Total of your family history. You mentioned one thing people

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<v Speaker 2>you've worked with.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you go go, that's amazing. So when will that?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you released it or getting ready to release it?

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<v Speaker 1>You're still working on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got to got to space these things out to

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<v Speaker 2>suit what people want, so in the interface to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what about it, because obviously road casters have been

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<v Speaker 1>more about the audio. What about video?

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Where you guys, I don't know if we've got to

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<v Speaker 2>think called nas CV, which is the most amazing production

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 2>tool for video so basically television and radio station for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of grand yes, I mean, you know you've

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<v Speaker 2>been in media a long time. You know what it

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<v Speaker 2>meant before. Man, it's too cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't afford it before. You could afford these before either,

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:40.920
<v Speaker 1>by the way, and you couldn't You couldn't for the reg.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you're going to put it up and look at

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>the cameras now, I mean, it's so simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Because YouTube's YouTube still for me anyways, still a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of the whole podcast process, and that's obviously video.

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:53.919
<v Speaker 2>But you don't even need that. You know, you can

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 2>stream it yourself. So YouTube is going to be one thing.

0:24:57.080 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 2>But then eventually you go, you know what, we'll just

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.959
<v Speaker 2>have our own channel and people just you log onto

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<v Speaker 2>your stream.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, so you can.

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<v Speaker 2>See it live or whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 1>You have you released your cameras yet or you're.

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.479
<v Speaker 2>About doing the cameras at the moment we deal. We

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<v Speaker 2>work with a lot of big camera companies as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's there's so many projects that we could do.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where I've learned, you know, to analyze what

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I should do, because no matter what you you only

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<v Speaker 2>have a certain amount of time. You might even have

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<v Speaker 2>the day, but you run out of mental capability bandwidth.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you what do you see? Peter Friedman

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<v Speaker 1>being in his sixties now well healthy, yeah, prime of

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 1>his life, fit and ever before, happy, happy, happy enough.

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to we'll do it later. Happy, but happy

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<v Speaker 1>enough like in life like happy yeah, but like some people,

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, how do I get happy? I just just

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.400
<v Speaker 1>be happy enough? Like that's enough for you. You don't

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>have to happiness and happy enough to me is contentment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what just been content And it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy all the time because going.

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<v Speaker 2>On, I love it. We're living in the best place

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 2>in the world, totally walking distance from me. Yeah, this

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>is amazing. I'm loving it. So yeah, I'm one already

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 2>and I get to do all this tech. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a dream, do you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm this type of person I get obsessed

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>with new ideas, and you know, it's sort of like

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>focus man, semi sickness for the obsession. But one of

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the things I'm you talked about earlier on but one

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 1>of the things I'm obsessed with, and it sounds really

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 1>fucking indulgent. And it's about trying to live as long

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 1>as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And I, why do you want to do that?

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Because I got so much I want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know, don't you don't you also have

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a feeling. I remember she passed away a while ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was ninety four, and I remember leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to it and she came out about enough. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't to me, I'm not going But you say that,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I get it. I don't want to live

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<v Speaker 2>my life again. Well please, No, it's like I've seen

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 2>that movie now fifteen times, so do it again. No,

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing new stuff, but repeat it and.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't need that again.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So eventually we might get to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>in the late eighties and go, yeah, I kind of

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 2>done it. I don't want to die, but I don't

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 2>give a shit anymore. I'm not scared of death and

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I've done it. Man, I could die tomorrow and I'm

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 2>not going to really be going Oh actually would piss

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 2>me off a bit, but I wouldn't know. But there's enough.

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I think we programmed to have an up. What do you

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>need to be one hundred year old?

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want the option.

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 2>So what are you going to do?

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know there is that, but I wonder whether

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:50.479
<v Speaker 1>you say, yeah, sure, I don't want to go back

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and do what I've done before. But at the same time,

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not scared of death like you as well,

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>because when it happens, it happens, and when your dead

0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. But I'm also love life currently, so I

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>love learning me too, and if and if I could,

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and if you have the capacity to continue to learn,

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>if new things always coming along, you can learn, Like

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>you know you're talking about AI now, things we would

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>you and I would never conceived thirty forty years ago artificially.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it'll continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I kept wondering that too, but I keep seeing

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>things keep coming along, Like I never thought about the Internet,

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 1>but the Internet came along. I never thought about the

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Internet of things that's using senses and that came along.

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<v Speaker 2>We We're very similar, right, so we are enthusiastic. We've

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>got a young outlook blah blah blah, and it's not drive,

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>it's real. Yeah, But will we be like this when

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>we're in our late adies? I do haven't made in

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 2>his and he is going, Wow, lovely guy. Charles Curen,

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>sharp as attack, love and life, doing stuff, and I go,

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>that's that's my idol. That's what I'd like to be.

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I I can be like Charles, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know either, I made the kuld Nick plitis his

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>mid eighties, and Nixon ever been more vibrant, like He's amazing.

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Please if that happens great, and.

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Even old Harry Trigabov Harry's ninety two. Harry said right there,

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and I see there. And Harry is as still as

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>full of life, not as energetic, but still is full

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>of life intellectually as evidence.

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Is working still it goes work every day. I want

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>to drop dead in my work.

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 1>That's my goal with me too, And people said, why

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>do you want to work for the rest of your life?

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>But like you, when I went to school, all the

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>kids that I went to school with or retired to

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>sixty five, everyone's retired and they're fucking miserable. They're not happy.

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 1>So I read somewhere and it was in the brief,

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and of course, well as you expect, I get a brief.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>You like the book The Outer Wall son Zoo. Now,

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I remember when I was in my forties, I gave

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<v Speaker 1>that to all my when I had the Wizopisess originally

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>the Whispersiness, I gave all my senior staff that book

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>to read that. I gave him the book the letters

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>from Machiavelli to the Prince as well about because we

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>were doing lots of acquisitions and what happens when you

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>buy a business, how you change the culture, how you

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>try to get the culture come along with you. And

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that was Macallis led us to his prints and and

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>some people think that stuff Macabellian art of war is.

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Too with the culture. To Macaveli is like has negative connotations,

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>but in Italy it's not. You understand, Now, that's the

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 2>whole point, you know, the whole the whole art of war.

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, I did in China and the nineties, and

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I learned it all. And you sort of slammed the

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>tail and got a sun subin fa, which is the

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>way of the warrior and it're all going and we're off,

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 2>we're running, you know, cold city.

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Could you explain that?

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Though?

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think I have my views on it?

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>But like, why do you think the art of war

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>is valuable today in business? I'm talking about.

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>If you if you read it, it's valuable for life.

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a you know, if you're weak, act strong,

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>if you're strong, act weak. All these little little parables

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the rabbit being chased by the fox.

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>You know who could going to come out as well?

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>The rabbit's going to get killed the foxes once a meal.

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can then learn so much and apply

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>it to life. You know, never take away a man's

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>rice bowl. Basically, you know, we're doing a deal and

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I can screw you ruthlessly if I want it. I'm

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 2>not going to. I want you to walk again. Tough deal,

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>but he's fair because we'll do business again. Nothing to

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>do with cosmic karma, but it's the right way to run,

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and that's just what it's full of. So it's not

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>about biting you know that.

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's a very interesting one too. By the way,

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 1>about the rice bowl, you always got to leave something

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>on the table.

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 2>When you're doing a deal, the people, some dickheads think nah,

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>when it takes all well, you're a bushy and you

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>are going to burn all your bridges and nobody wants

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to do with you. People want to deal with me

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>because they know they're going to do all right. And

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I walk in if I was going to sell to

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>you back in the day, I walk in, I'm here

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>to make you money, Marck and you go over two

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>seconds if I go, I'm here to make me money.

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 2>To get the fuck out it. Yeah, simple, well I

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>needs a little bit.

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>But where where do you Where did you? Where did

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.479
<v Speaker 1>you learn these the skills and life skills my parents?

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>And also selling. I mean I was on the streets

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 2>up here selling sound equipment in the in the seventies,

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you learn real fast what works and

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>what doesn't because you didn't get the job where you

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 2>did get the job. It's like one of the I

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 2>tell people salesman as a guy who had a whole

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>run of gyms around Sydney in the eighties. Remember the

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>gym thinking of became in the nightclub and it was

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 2>in bonding and I quoted, this guy's a big, big

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 2>job thirty thirty grand, which I'm huge for me and he.

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean I never would wouldn't commit It.

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Was the sound system.

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know for the aerobics, that's what I did

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>all the gyms, and I drove past what would just

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 2>seven times I've gone to see him, and I go,

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I do one more time. Got it in my van

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>driving a bond van. Walked up. He looked at me

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 2>and went, oh, for God's sake, all right, got job

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 2>knowing I'm not going to forget this. So you learn

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>stuff along the way.

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and persistency. How important to give up? That's important

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to give up on life.

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Anything they're going to learn when to cut your losses

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>that's not given Up's like, don't don't keep doing something

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 2>that will fail. You know that's ridiculous, But you've got

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 2>to keep fighting. You fall down, you've got to get up.

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 1>When do you know if you're if the businesses is

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:34.479
<v Speaker 1>a failure and it's time to give up.

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I know it now, and that's from years and years

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 2>of making huge mistakes. So now I'm good at it,

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>just like you know the heuristic ability we've built up

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 2>over the years of screwing up. Right, So how do

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, well, that's fifty one years I've been running

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>a business.

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 1>That's why, well you and I know, because we've been

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:54.719
<v Speaker 1>doing it for so long.

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's because you screw it up, that's why you know.

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>It's not because your magic knows stuff. Yeah, nobody's born

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 2>with knowledge. Yeah, we all learn. Yeah, you've got to.

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 2>And it was and remember a lot of people don't remember. Yeah,

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 2>but I've made the same mistakes three times. We're supposed

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 2>to make an idiot.

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.240
<v Speaker 1>But to will marriage three times We'll start.

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm not going to go there, but yeah, you

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>know you personal relationships probably the hardest thing in the world. Yeah,

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 2>but I think about it everything i've screwed up and

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 2>trying to be better person, better at it and being

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>fair not a fool, honest, that's that's what works for me.

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>But I'm also not a mark. There's a lot of

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>people trying to take advantage of your own life. And

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm super tough, but I'm also pushover in other ways.

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:48.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've been quite brutal as well because of

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 2>what happened to me. Sad. I look back, I thought

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I've made three grown men in my company. Big guys

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>cry and I'm looking and what are you doing, snowflake?

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean like, no compassion, no nothing, this cold maniac

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>And then don't do that. I didn't mean to do it,

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>but it's like brutality of it because of what's happened

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 2>to me in the past.

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:11.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any regrets about anything you've done?

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>And are you kidding me?

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Of course a lot.

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh. I could write books on my regrets. But what

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 2>vision mirror fix can't fix yesterday, can only fix now.

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>It's easy for me to be nice now because I

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 2>got there and I can take time, and I'm not desperate.

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 2>When you're desperate to make money that day, forget being nice,

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 2>forget me, and it's like you come near me and

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 2>you try and stop me. I'm going to I'm going

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 2>to punch in the face.

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's the only things in your head at

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that time. I'm surviving. I'm going to get my next

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 1>step ahead. And that's when you don't make very good job.

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>In a brutal area, which is in you know it's

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 2>media entertainers. How how what a bunch of assholes?

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Big smile on stage, smile fuck you, that's my saying.

0:35:58.160 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>You know that you're getting smile.

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Fucked all the time, of course, but you can't let

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 2>that make you better and twisted. I will maintain. I'll

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>give everybody a go, but I'm fast to judge. So

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you'll I meet somebody, I'll be open, et cetera. One

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 2>NINEO second, I see, Oh, you're a complete prick. And

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 2>then they're dead, They're gone.

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>And do you use brush them all together? You just

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 1>brush them?

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't have a lot of people, and

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.319
<v Speaker 2>especially now with all this, you know, you get like

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, you've had it all your life or for

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>long longer than me. You've got money, so people are

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 2>turning up because I want your money. Yeah, so you think, well,

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 2>what do you want? I know what you want, So

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 2>you could become jaded and you you can't let that

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 2>happen because there are nice people. Those people want you

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 2>for you to day.

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think, I think pet everything is like unfortunately,

0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>most things in life is transactional.

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Most things rest approsst. Yeah, but that's okay.

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 2>The ones I find amusing is they come along and

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 2>they want something from you, but they don't want to

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>keep you anything in return.

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that doesn't work. But they don't understand the reciprocity. No, yeah,

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 1>they're fools. They think you're going to give them something

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and but there's nothing really going to come anything going

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:17.439
<v Speaker 1>to come back the other way.

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Stupid.

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So how do you how do you live your

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 1>life and keep people away from.

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 2>You like firewalls? Yeah. People, it's hard to get to me.

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hard to get what I'm saying, Like, do you

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>would you call yourself a little bit of a recluse? Yeah,

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>well then a proper reculuse.

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I love it. I'm really happy in my

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:41.879
<v Speaker 2>own mind. I got some friends. I'm very care very few.

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:43.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, real friends do you.

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Have if you can know thousands, Yeah, I'll be tens

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>of thousands.

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 2>But yeah. So I'm totally happy in my in my

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 2>social life and what I do. But I don't go out.

0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:58.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't like to go out.

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>When people say you don't, do you go out to

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>me and you say, well, like, I might as pretty

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 1>much some as yours. I don't care for it. That's

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:08.359
<v Speaker 1>probably I don't.

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Parties. I get invited all the time, and basically it

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 2>there'll be some fundraiser if I've got my charities and

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I give them their money and then somebody invites me out, saying,

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 2>cut to the chase, Dude, you know what do they mean?

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean? Close? I know what you want.

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 2>You're shitting me. You want some money. I'm going to

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 2>tell you no anyway, but learn to close because this

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous. You want to come out and buy me lunch?

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.320
<v Speaker 2>No you don't. I don't want your bloody lunch.

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>And do do you ever feel as though that you're

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>not many people in handle that? Do you feel as

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>though sometimes you're being to tickle them?

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't give a shit. Yeah, they're being rude, and

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I love it. Some of these fundraising people there.

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Complete more on so as your charities.

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of them are. And they get indignant when

0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>you don't give them your money. I go, well, what

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>do you give me your money with?

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Help me through the same process? Beans through the same process.

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:11.320
<v Speaker 2>It's silly. Yeah yeah, so yeah, no, that's okay. I

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 2>don't have a problem telling people.

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>See I mean this this show. He's gone straight talk,

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>But it seems like to me that you live by

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>you live by that talk straight, tell the straight.

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 2>But I won't do something that will hurt somebody. I'm

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 2>not showing off by doing and that'll only come out

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 2>when somebody oversteps the line, Like you're now being rude

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 2>by trying to push this. You're very bad at it

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and you're you're upsetting me, So you're going to you're

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 2>going to cop it. Very few do because most people

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 2>aren't rude.

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like as we get older they we

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 1>get more tolerant.

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting younger, so I don't know about you.

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 1>So I like that. Well, mate, if you can discover

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>that one that is totally disruptive you have and I haven't.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Don't tell anyone. Don't tell them that?

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Why not?

0:39:58.480 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Because there's a secret?

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Dude? He crazy? Now we are. I don't know whether

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 2>you want it, but you are going to add too

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>well over our hunch. Yeah, because all the diseases are

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 2>being cured and we know how to be healthy. We

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 2>don't smoke anymore.

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you have a smoke when I was younger?

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I could do sixty singings in the night when

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I was running bands and stuff. Madness, You keep that

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 2>that's why everybody died in their forties or fifties, and

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 2>we have here, we are in our late sixties, and

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 2>do we look better than people who were in their forties,

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:25.720
<v Speaker 2>and there are.

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>And we are mates who have died in their forties

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and fifties.

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeahs full of yeah, people who have passed.

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Away alcohol, drugs, yep, just shitty lifestyles and the and

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the and then the devil gets them somehow, like you know, cancer,

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>part attack, stroke, whatever the fuck it is.

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 2>But we're on it now. Like you know, I'm getting

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 2>bloods done all the time, and vitamins and exercise, fresh air, water, sunshine,

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 2>being chill. Yeah.

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>So when you get in the morning, okay, let's say

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>wake up. Just not three o'clock because you're jet late,

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>but let's say it's four thirty whatever. Yeah what five am?

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 2>How? Just freezing too, By the way, I love it.

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 2>And I have all all my doors that happen cold

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 2>as cold in my apartment as it is outside.

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I like I like, I like it. I mean a

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of people want to make the hair hot, but

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I'm not quite that. I'm not quite that

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>cool for me. How did you come over there and

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you've got the I'm just looking at the way you

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>dressed you You've got it all cool, man. You actually

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 1>look like a like a Tom Ford out or something

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like that.

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going out with you trying to crack on

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:30.439
<v Speaker 2>to me happening. I like you too much.

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Come on here, you got it. You've got the same deal.

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Going be a couple of beers.

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 1>When you wake up at five am? And do you

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.919
<v Speaker 1>do you rip into a coffee? Yeah, double espresso, double espresso. Now,

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 1>just to just to sort of refine that a little bit.

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 1>So when you talk about double spresso, like, are you

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to health and awareness your health? Are you?

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Are you so obsessed with it that you will only

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>drink so cold press double espresso like there's been brewing

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>all night, or you want the property.

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 2>There's this little thing is like a one pot and

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 2>it's in a one shot like a normal and it's

0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 2>paper like your hand bleached paper and killer. It's as

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I reckon, ninety five percent, as good as a grind.

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I used to do my own roasting and all I

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 2>get obsessive about everything and then get bored. But yeah,

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 2>so it's great coffee.

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a big but you filter it.

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Basically you feel it's like an espressom this big I'll

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>give you one, but that big little glass bottle. Man,

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's incredible.

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>It's bang, but you put a little filter thing in there.

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 2>It's these little things have a filter in it. It's

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 2>like a pot a shot of coffee encapsulated in a

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 2>filtered paper. You whack it and you close it, throw it.

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>They've been whack another one.

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 1>And oh wow, that's good.

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.359
<v Speaker 2>That's the man best thing I've ever.

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Because it takes something out of the coffee that is

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>not no good for us, but it keeps the caffeine

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>in and everything. The filter.

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it's just paper. It's a shot of coffe. Yeah,

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 2>it's like the grind next door.

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like in the latter because you live around this

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>territory around now rather so.

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Like a suburban of world. Don't tell anybody?

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Could I say the name?

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Hey?

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Can I say the name? What's the point it is?

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Have you always looked there?

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean yeah, and then I was a bit different

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 2>then when I came back, probably eight years ago.

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:17.800
<v Speaker 1>It's a very cool area.

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. Although I'm living in an apartment building. I

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:25.439
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't say this, but it's a little bit of a Actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll edit that one appropriately.

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we'll get our a edit that one. I

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I edited that bit out. Actually, I edited out and Reserve.

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>It's the whole vibe changing in the area. It's becoming older,

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:41.360
<v Speaker 2>which is a shame on. The younges have been pushed

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>out because of the apartment price one room. The size

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>of this office is twelve hundred bucks around a week.

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's well, who can do that? No, I

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 2>don't the young people of creatives, et cetera. That's the

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 2>good part. We'll end up a whole of the rich

0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>old farts, which is not much fun.

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:00.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny. I was having the social sporting

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>because it's a Reserve Banks meeting and I always get

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 1>on radio that day and I was talking about there's

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with what you do, but I'd just

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>be interested to hear with someone like You've got to say,

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 1>for Australia, there are a lot of people, a lot

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of kids, young people, great hard working kids between twenty

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and thirty who look at what their parents might have

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>told them and what they've always been thought of. I

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 1>should I'm living in Australia to own a house, or

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 1>should earn a property, but I never I'll never own

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 1>anything in the rest of my life. I'll never get

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to what Peter's got, what Mark's got, or even what

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:34.800
<v Speaker 1>my father his father might have, or because they think

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 1>they think this is what they say. They say as

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>a result, they.

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Think, right, if you think you are.

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>They can't afford it. They thought, I think they'll never

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 1>be able to afford to buy a property. What do

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 1>you think about? What do you think about that? I

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 1>mean nothing to do with anything other than the surprises

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I made affordability for young people in Australia Matte.

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Crazy, But it's what I would do.

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.040
<v Speaker 1>What I would I'd love to know what you're thinking about.

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 2>It is get out of Sydney and you your money

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 2>that you make. I know, young people making good day

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 2>if they went to another area, they would have a

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:12.359
<v Speaker 2>much better life, right and all the peers there the same.

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 2>That's what makes you unhappy if you see the black

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.399
<v Speaker 2>next door doing so much better than you, even though

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 2>you might be doing really well, you're miserable. So don't

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>play the game. Don't don't do that. Move But now

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm want to stay here.

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 1>And grind away like it's so. What you're saying is paths.

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>They should move to another area like bar and Bay

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 1>or wherever that.

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Wherever Campbelltown to the west regional New South Wales. I

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 2>mean there's some beautiful places in the bush dying for

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:44.919
<v Speaker 2>people and you can get great properties. Lifestyle for kids

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 2>is great, but it's like they're scared of living in Sydney.

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.760
<v Speaker 2>So then they're miserable making thousands a week, both people

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>working and they still feel like losers.

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>They spending on rent.

0:45:55.520 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Spend it on rent, right, It's like, don't but.

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Australia is losing it? Because you and

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in the sixties and seventies in Australia,

0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>which was like the bigger dream, the big dream of

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 1>it your men. Mom had this mate, as soon as

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you're going afford it, you save it, deposit by a place.

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 1>You know. That was that's the big Greek thing, which

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I did, and yeah, I.

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Did bought cars instead.

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I bought a property and then I got divorced and

0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I had to sell the property the first time. But

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 1>but no, I sort of did it because I could

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 1>afford it. I actually borrowed the money off. I told

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 1>him I borrow the money off Harry Triggeboff. He lent

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>me with all the money, not personally, but like what

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>year was this seventy six seven, and I bought an apartment.

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 1>He built the apartment, and if you bought one of

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 1>his apartments, he lent you ninety percent of the money.

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I borrowed the other ten percent.

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 2>But I feel very responsible of you at such a

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 2>young age.

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was married, had a kid, so I was

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty that's too you twenty Just yeah, eighteen nine, and

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>it was just I just got married and I had

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 1>a kid. Man like I was. I married my girlfriend

0:46:56.880 --> 0:47:00.319
<v Speaker 1>for school, you know that old thing. And and and

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 1>not to know, I don't know any better, but I

0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 1>get not sad on all the word is, but I

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like young kids never going to get the same

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 1>virtunity that you and I might have had at the

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>same age, you know.

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 2>But again the whole house ownership thing, and it was

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 2>the Australian dream and a quarter acre block and all that.

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I remember. Mum and Dad's first place they bought was

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:23.320
<v Speaker 2>eleven grand in Winston Hills. And not just the time

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and the money changing, it did more than double and

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.399
<v Speaker 2>triple in real terms of what it takes your yearly

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 2>wait right, so become silly. But say in Europe you

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 2>can get long leases. The problem here is six months

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 2>and then they're walking in and.

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Put the round up all that crap.

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:44.799
<v Speaker 2>So but if you could get a place and it's

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 2>nice and go, here's a thirty or forty.

0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Year lease, Happy days, Happy days.

0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>So we've got to change, right, and what all happened?

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure of your ship granuation phones who are

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 2>are roll wash with a coin. We'll start doing that

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:01.880
<v Speaker 2>because they're quite happy to get there a nice little

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 2>return for the next one hundred and fifty years whatever. Right,

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 2>And you're in this game, dude, this is where you

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 2>should be going. You should be organizing stuff with Harry

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 2>and coming up with rent places. But it's a fame

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 2>as London. The ninety nine year liases is as good

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 2>and you can flog it if you want it, you

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 2>know what I And.

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 1>You're not going to live longer than anyway, So happy days.

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Because what does it matter?

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:26.840
<v Speaker 1>The big issue is about getting jammed by the landlord.

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.279
<v Speaker 1>For these younger people every six months or tore moments.

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I have to get up there.

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 2>When I was renting, when I broke up with my wife,

0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:37.839
<v Speaker 2>first wife, I was renting, and it's terrible. Even though

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I was having a nice place. Some dude left his

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>card on the table, had the keys right, and you

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 2>come into my apartment while I wasn't there, and I

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 2>mean I lost my ship. So then after that, I

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>never said it's changed. All the bloody locks every time.

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Fuck them. But it's horrible. You can't hang anything on

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 2>the wall and it's like you feel like, so you're

0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 2>writing a form. Do you own or do you rent? Rent? Oh? Rent? Yeah?

0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Well it shouldn't be a stigma touched to it, but

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>there is. And you're right in Europe most people rent places,

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:12.680
<v Speaker 1>but they get them for a long period of time.

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 1>They ain't going to round them today.

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:15.760
<v Speaker 2>This is your quest.

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, don't you think the prime minister should be

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.240
<v Speaker 1>talking to people? The Prime Minister is exactly the treasure

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 1>holding the big summit. When do they invite you to

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>come in and talk.

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 2>To about I always find that really funny when they

0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 2>have they have tech summits and anything, and they don't

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:31.480
<v Speaker 2>forget I don't give you shit, I don't want to go.

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 2>But they don't bring in businesses, the little businesses and

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 2>might like me. We have the employers one or two

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 2>of these big internet kind of people, God bless them,

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 2>very clever. A lot of the ain't only about manufacturing

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:49.200
<v Speaker 2>or employment, like the way we do the group of

0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:51.879
<v Speaker 2>people who make stuff. But we're in there in dieted.

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.920
<v Speaker 1>But what is that? Why do you think?

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, well, they're academics, so they're not Will you

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.839
<v Speaker 2>tell me a politician who's run a business, then run

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 2>a lemon. I don't know. I met many of them.

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.880
<v Speaker 1>They're great, but they got well intentional, but.

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>They don't know grassroots business and what it's like to

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:13.440
<v Speaker 2>start something and have no money. So some of the

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 2>concepts are like, well, they're academic concepts of what we

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 2>should do well.

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:19.919
<v Speaker 1>But you just put an idea on the table, which

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 1>is a you know, I haven't heard this idea.

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Before, but I shop politicians, but I.

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Heard an idea. You put an idea on the table

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 1>that should be put on the table for this summit.

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>It comes from Peter Freedman, who you know, he's a

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.000
<v Speaker 1>manufacturer of these things and other things like you know,

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.480
<v Speaker 1>its sound and equipment and everything to do all that technology.

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Leave me alone. I just want to get it.

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:43.200
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, but the point is that they're not

0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.440
<v Speaker 1>talking to people like you. That's my whole point. That's silly, yes,

0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:48.320
<v Speaker 1>and not the don't even have a box where you

0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>can sort of send something into them and say, well,

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the kip to me to their idea. And you think, well,

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be bothered because if I do

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 1>send it and they're not going to read anyway, they

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 1>won't give me the time of day. Because here we

0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:00.320
<v Speaker 1>are having a podcast about your business and all suddenly

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.560
<v Speaker 1>thought to myself, I'd love to know what peterph somewhere,

0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Peter Freeman thinks of this. This probably how would you

0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 1>solved We'll get people for your lease?

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you and I could sort this totally if

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:13.399
<v Speaker 2>we wanted to, and we had the coin to put

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 2>to it. Maybe Harris should get involved. But because he

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:20.839
<v Speaker 2>can do it. Man, what a change to Australia.

0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:22.799
<v Speaker 1>Because this isn't all a bad and I think maybe

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that drives you was maintaining your dignity.

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:28.080
<v Speaker 1>But dignity is an important thing. Everyone deserves to have dignity,

0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:32.919
<v Speaker 1>and the indignity of being a renter and you're gonna

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 1>have to leave after six months or within six months

0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>a guy jacks at to a price you can't affords. Sure,

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 1>you don't need that shit.

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:41.759
<v Speaker 2>The pressure of these young kids, and they've got the

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 2>children and they're working so hard and they're making they're

0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:48.239
<v Speaker 2>bringing in thousands every week and they feel like they're

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:51.560
<v Speaker 2>on the bread line. I mean that's madness. So one

0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 2>of you've got to come up with a sort of

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 2>explanations like what is it what you could do as

0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:59.719
<v Speaker 2>an alternative and regional Australia should do things to attract them.

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 2>There are in the States. I'm going to do a

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of work in the States and the local places

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 2>they're bringing people in, they'll they'll help them build a

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 2>house and there's proactive stuff that to attract people there.

0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I heard something recently as all as I thought was great.

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's hungry where if a woman has one child,

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.399
<v Speaker 2>that reduced their tax I think if they have three kids,

0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:26.520
<v Speaker 2>they'll never pay tax again. Wow, women, right, So it

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 2>means women can go out of the workforce, but they

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 2>know when they go back in they're making coin. Plus

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 2>we have more population, I mean.

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:35.600
<v Speaker 1>It makes sense.

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 2>That's like a what a brilliant I don't know what

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 2>other policies they have which are probably stupid, but that

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:41.799
<v Speaker 2>one sounds bloody good.

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And whilst we're talking about ideas, you know that's

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:49.840
<v Speaker 1>our disfe government, and that's great and I love that policy,

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:53.920
<v Speaker 1>those policies when you're you know, I don't want to

0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 1>sound like that's good vodka by the way, very good.

0:52:57.080 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 1>No one knows but the bottles of it. But my

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 1>good ideas you're like for me to some extent when

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.920
<v Speaker 1>you must have made decisions about this sort of stuff

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and the sorts of conception we're talking about relation to

0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.520
<v Speaker 1>AI and using that as an AI editor so to speak.

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 2>We'll go at dinner one night. I'll blow your mind

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.839
<v Speaker 2>saying on this, but I'll blow your mind.

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:25.400
<v Speaker 1>What do you think about the industries of the future?

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, does that's something that you think about much constantly?

0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:32.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have a huge factory here. I have three

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 2>major companies, you know, one in Seattle, one in Rio Rancho, Albuquerque.

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:41.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, lots of staff, big real factories. So I'm

0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:43.799
<v Speaker 2>constantly looking at where manufacturing is going. And AI is

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 2>not going to take that either. By the way, That's

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 2>another part of my ongoing success because you've still got

0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 2>to make stuff. I can come up with concepts, but

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:52.719
<v Speaker 2>it can't.

0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Make it physically, can't make it.

0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:58.719
<v Speaker 2>No, but there'll be less requirement of certain people. That's

0:53:58.719 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 2>the big danger.

0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but those certain people can be redirected into do

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>other ways. I don't know the answer to that. I

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.240
<v Speaker 1>can't hear. But like a postman who used to deliver

0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:10.160
<v Speaker 1>the mile, he's probably doing delivering He's probably delivering Uber

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>eats or something now. But at least you can do something.

0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:13.359
<v Speaker 1>He's delivering something.

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Because that's the scary stuff.

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:14.839
<v Speaker 1>Man.

0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Who would have.

0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Ever thought that one of the biggest industries in the

0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 1>world would become couriers, the humble courier Because we buy

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.480
<v Speaker 1>really online, we're going to get delivered as.

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:27.440
<v Speaker 2>A service industry is what is going to flourish and

0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 2>live performance and this sort of thing and theater and

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm involved. Sydney Festival is looking at what

0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:35.960
<v Speaker 2>they're doing next year and it's exciting and we're going

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to want more of that. But doctors, lawyers, accountants, lots

0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 2>of design and say universities, I'm a bit of a

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:49.240
<v Speaker 2>shit SERI. I write an article on LinkedIn and basically

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:53.080
<v Speaker 2>if anybody says to me they're studying for a doctorate

0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:57.920
<v Speaker 2>or why you're of no use anymore? I got that

0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 2>in my computer. Now every paper that has ever been written,

0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:05.799
<v Speaker 2>and then cross discipline completely. So I'm sorry if you're

0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 2>a specialist. I'm a generalist. What I wrote this article

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:12.880
<v Speaker 2>about it a little bit about a real lot of stuff,

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and now the world is my oyster. Yeah. Completely, And

0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 2>if you've got a kid who's like that, they're going

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:21.680
<v Speaker 2>to inherit the earth. You don't need to be a specialist.

0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 2>You need to be a generalist. And then use.

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>AI because I could ask a question this morning about

0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 1>university when I was on the radio, and.

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:30.279
<v Speaker 2>I hope you have a degree? Do you?

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I do very humorous, but will roll it up. That's

0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:36.040
<v Speaker 1>my era. That's no, I get it.

0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I grew up. But people work doesn't mean union's going

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 2>to disappear now, not quickly, because society doesn't change quickly,

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.360
<v Speaker 2>and they'll hang on for a long time. So somebody actually,

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 2>one of the guys that work, Damien, my CEO, and

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.200
<v Speaker 2>he said he's right. I think he said it was

0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:55.239
<v Speaker 2>when people who are thirty five now dead. That's the

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of timeframe. That's when all these things we're saying

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.200
<v Speaker 2>we'll have taken hold. There won't be those units, there

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 2>won't be you know, even your doctors and we will

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:06.080
<v Speaker 2>have all the auto blood tests and you know, but

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 2>our governments are going to make the doctors control it

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.160
<v Speaker 2>in the short term and I can see exactly what's

0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:13.959
<v Speaker 2>going to happen, but there are going to be people

0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:14.680
<v Speaker 2>who are going to be.

0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Out of work, going to end up. It's my answer

0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:19.200
<v Speaker 1>was that will become a plumber.

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:20.800
<v Speaker 2>You have how many plumbers?

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, we need a lot of here and austral at

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:24.240
<v Speaker 1>the moment electrician building.

0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:28.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know the future for everybody, and

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:32.319
<v Speaker 2>they're still churning out thousands of people who will not

0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:33.120
<v Speaker 2>have any.

0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Work, and there's universe is definitely out.

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.719
<v Speaker 2>But even kids now blows my mind. You're sort of

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:41.439
<v Speaker 2>talking to parents and people that still don't understand, even

0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 2>from young to any age group, and you do know

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 2>what's happening. Can you not see the two kilometer high

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:52.239
<v Speaker 2>tsunami out there? And they're going, what I can see it?

0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:56.759
<v Speaker 2>You can see it, but very few can. We could.

0:56:57.480 --> 0:56:59.960
<v Speaker 1>But I think there's a lot of snobs out there too.

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:02.400
<v Speaker 1>They think, well, you know, if you don't have a

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:03.160
<v Speaker 1>university degree.

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm talking about how they're going to be wiped out.

0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Who cares about the snobs?

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the their jobs on yesterday made.

0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Means nothing. Yeah, we can as an example, so this

0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 2>is how I walk around with this pocket all the

0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 2>time because I can't help myself like a little kid.

0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 2>There's a wireless transmitter from this new company. Right, So

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 2>the code and this is the best in the world

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.560
<v Speaker 2>who use their old film. Right, there's code in which

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.880
<v Speaker 2>takes you have to be a specialist to write it

0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 2>in that area for years and it would take weeks

0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and weeks to do. We can do a new code

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 2>on an AI now to three minutes and it's better.

0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 2>So for that for an any device like that. What

0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:46.600
<v Speaker 2>does that thing that's a wireless transmitter? Come on, man,

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 2>you've been there everybody film, you know, when you see

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:52.840
<v Speaker 2>a movie, every Hollywood movie uses actually this brand company.

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:54.600
<v Speaker 2>So it's like a lab mic, you know.

0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeh yeah, yeah, but you're wa't carrying around what what

0:57:58.680 --> 0:57:59.480
<v Speaker 1>you're carrying around with?

0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:01.800
<v Speaker 2>You get the vibe?

0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ship tell me the truth going whatever? Really sure

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:09.600
<v Speaker 1>it's grabbing something from the from it.

0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 2>So I just look at it now and again, and

0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:14.320
<v Speaker 2>then I can think. My mind works in a very

0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:17.160
<v Speaker 2>strange way, and so I'll look at that and I

0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:18.480
<v Speaker 2>think about another product.

0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever think about it the way?

0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm really strange? I really love it?

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but well you're happy with it, that's the most boyling.

0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:30.880
<v Speaker 1>But do you ever think to yourself? My mind does

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:31.919
<v Speaker 1>think differently to others?

0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Now? Do I didn't know that. That was the hard part,

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.960
<v Speaker 2>because you know, how do you know you're a certain way?

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 2>He just used you and then kind of recently was diagnosed.

0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I think I've watched a Jim Jeffery singer. Yeah, and

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:50.720
<v Speaker 2>I agree with him, and he was diagnosed. I think

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>from memory as a kid, right, I'm dyslexic, and it

0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 2>came late. I was told. I didn't know that. I

0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 2>just thought everybody thought that. So right now I've said

0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:04.040
<v Speaker 2>this before. I'm thinking about half a dozen things right now. Yeah,

0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 2>we're talking and I'm acting, and.

0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I always call it a performance.

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I'm also thinking about work and other stuff.

0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:19.040
<v Speaker 2>But that's I thought everybody did. So now I'm thinking

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:19.880
<v Speaker 2>about this now as well.

0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeahs your question, because the.

0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Movie going on here, actually three movies going on, and

0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:25.600
<v Speaker 2>some of them are good.

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.440
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes sometimes I think of myself, if we.

0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Could do this again. Sometimes I did bring me vodka

0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:37.840
<v Speaker 2>every seven minutes. Drink.

0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:42.080
<v Speaker 1>So sometimes I think of myself when we have a

0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.960
<v Speaker 1>conversation with somebody actually not talking to them at all.

0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:47.480
<v Speaker 1>We're having conversation with ourself. We're actually talking to ourself,

0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 1>whether they interact with what we say or not.

0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:51.680
<v Speaker 2>And we want to come across a certain way. So

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.120
<v Speaker 2>do you two wankers trying to show.

0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Off we're having a conversations.

0:59:56.800 --> 1:00:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, from time to time, yeah, ans and lies, aren't they.

1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's from time to time. So I'm a banker

1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and I'm a liar, and but but I do really

1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:08.960
<v Speaker 1>think we haven't like because often have to ask it.

1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm to address the crowd and stuff like that, and

1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm actually talking to them. Makes you're talking

1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to myself the whole time. But they people then are

1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:17.480
<v Speaker 1>having a conversation in their own hand.

1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:20.240
<v Speaker 3>About what I'm doing. I could tell you're authentic. I'm

1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:22.640
<v Speaker 3>really believe you're a real person. I believe in stuff.

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:25.120
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, I do have conversations with

1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:26.760
<v Speaker 3>myself all the time. And I don't mean in a

1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:29.880
<v Speaker 3>sense that I'm talking to myself. But as far as

1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm concerned, my conversation, my conversation is not two ways

1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:34.840
<v Speaker 3>it's one way.

1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:36.080
<v Speaker 1>It's in my mind.

1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but don't you question yourself like I love that

1:00:39.840 --> 1:00:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I analyzed. I can't. Why did you say that? Why

1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:43.280
<v Speaker 2>did you stupid?

1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:46.360
<v Speaker 1>It's great, Yeah, that's so your talking to yourself.

1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Idiots shouldn't have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was funny this morning, yeah, because you know how

1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:54.480
<v Speaker 1>they say get into the light in the morning, because

1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the morning. So I did that this morning. And what

1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I just found a part where I could go do

1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:02.400
<v Speaker 1>was it was in Betatic guards and I was sitting

1:01:02.440 --> 1:01:05.800
<v Speaker 1>there and I had my phone and I was, this

1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:07.920
<v Speaker 1>sounds a bit bit terrible blood. So I was on

1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 1>I was on one of the AI protocols and I

1:01:11.840 --> 1:01:14.560
<v Speaker 1>was once I was I asked a question, but I

1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:16.280
<v Speaker 1>had an allow speaker, so I was, I was talking

1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:17.720
<v Speaker 1>to it and I was I was talking to me back,

1:01:18.240 --> 1:01:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and I was talking to the lads about mitochondria, and

1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I was asking the asking the protocol about we just

1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:31.960
<v Speaker 1>explain to me how the electron transport system works when

1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:34.480
<v Speaker 1>it comes to mitochondria. Anyway, it starts to get in

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<v Speaker 1>all your Yeah, still give me the long conversation. And

1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a dude walks past and sits down right next to me.

1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And he could hear mine was a female voice, and

1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:47.520
<v Speaker 1>he could hear a female voice talking to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just talking back to it, and it's talking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked, I look. I didn't want to look

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<v Speaker 1>at it because I was sort of trying to construct

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<v Speaker 1>with saying because it was quite complex and I was

1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:56.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to understand it and try and remember and put

1:01:56.680 --> 1:01:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it together. And I looked across the guy and the

1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:01.720
<v Speaker 1>guys guy or I was actually talking to a person,

1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and it was so good. It was so good.

1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:08.600
<v Speaker 2>But you are gain to the more advanced AI assistance

1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:11.800
<v Speaker 2>that you're going to have very very soon. It's going

1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:14.720
<v Speaker 2>to be somebody that knows you. Yeah, he knows everything

1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:19.560
<v Speaker 2>about you. It's also tapped into grow, GPT, whatever, ninety

1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:22.560
<v Speaker 2>three deep seek all of them, and it's you have

1:02:22.680 --> 1:02:24.520
<v Speaker 2>the power of the world right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is amazing, man, it's incredible.

1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:29.439
<v Speaker 2>It's just like we are living in the most mind

1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:30.080
<v Speaker 2>blowing time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the time will come when you don't

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<v Speaker 1>need a partner or you don't need anybody in your

1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:35.680
<v Speaker 1>life and you get this? Do you actually talk to this?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you talk to all the time? What?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What do you mean? No need a partner. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want a sex for robot? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, we're not apart from physicality. I'm just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about in terms of company. Weird now company company.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a person will vacuum and I can't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what make me talk like this is how many

1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:56.200
<v Speaker 1>vodkas they give me? They give you a spike in

1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the drinks. So but do you think that time will

1:02:58.960 --> 1:03:00.960
<v Speaker 1>come when they will people? There will be there will

1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:05.360
<v Speaker 1>be a fake version of Peter Friedman sitting there like

1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:10.840
<v Speaker 1>physically looks exact like a robot, and you'll be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>embedded with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I got one for you.

1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I go for you, so you might join the real

1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Peter Friedman.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows? I think I'm a simulation. I think it

1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:22.160
<v Speaker 2>could be we could both be in a simulator.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring me the right Peter Freeman, and please, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see the rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Real slim shady. So the thing that I am going

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and I don't I wouldn't want it, Like

1:03:30.520 --> 1:03:31.920
<v Speaker 2>my mum and dad had been going a long time.

1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember their voices, but I'm going to be

1:03:35.560 --> 1:03:38.160
<v Speaker 2>able to. I'm going to do it anyway, scan myself, really,

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<v Speaker 2>really high there and then answer all these incredible questions

1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:44.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'll have my voice, and so in the future, grandkids,

1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:46.720
<v Speaker 2>great grandkids can log on and talk to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will be me.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely want it, but I don't want it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want it for myself at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've got to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to have it for them, right one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because you know I did when my dad was

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<v Speaker 1>dying last year. I recorded every before he went in

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital. I record every conversation that he had with me,

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<v Speaker 1>every message. I've kept it in my still my phone,

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<v Speaker 1>and every now and then I remember my parents just

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<v Speaker 1>the sound. It's so important. Yeah, I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I want to do it. But then

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<v Speaker 2>they go like I want that, No, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>leave my mom and dad where you know where it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have to do it because my grandkids, all

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<v Speaker 2>great grandkids are along. Game might want that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know have great and grandkids, yet my grandkids, your grandkids.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't you got four? Yeah? I got I got three

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<v Speaker 1>and one on the way. Yeah, the three boys in

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<v Speaker 1>one hopefully a grand daughter coming. Because there are four sons.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any there's all men in my life

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<v Speaker 1>like no, no, no girls. But look, we're really looking

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<v Speaker 1>FOROD to get a granddaughter, suit mate. I'm getting it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting hit up down here by the side because

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've upset editor too, because he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get replaced by your AI and I can show.

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<v Speaker 2>A matter pivot.

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<v Speaker 1>He's getting upset now. But I'm going to wind it

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<v Speaker 1>up now, mate, But I'll tell you what really seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't dig deep enough Manute, Yeah I could. But

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<v Speaker 1>the problem you know what the problem I have now is,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll say it publicly. I have to go and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the Reserve Bank government make a speech for

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<v Speaker 1>the interest rates way more, way more in so I

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<v Speaker 1>said to the guys. But like, unfortunately, that's well, we

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<v Speaker 1>can do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's time over a drink.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it all right, good on