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Speaker 1: Better Freedman. Yes, sir, well do straight talk, mate, Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, thanks very much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: It's my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I got inspired recently. I said, the boys, come, let's

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Speaker 1: get this guy because like man like, he's such a legend.

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Speaker 1: And I saw her and I saw you being interviewed.

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Speaker 1: I think it was by Forbes or one of those,

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Speaker 1: to him. I really want to know his story, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure your audience does too. So and just for

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Speaker 1: the sake of it, you're the founder, wrote importantly right

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Speaker 1: here in front of us, of course.

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Speaker 2: Edmond Group.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Freeman Group, Freeman Group. This is you, mate, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is you. How do you feel every time you

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Speaker 1: you know, Rode on the side here, How do you

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Speaker 2: I never get tired of it. It's amazing and I'm

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Speaker 2: humbled still. I mean, I think it's lucky that it

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Speaker 2: all happened to me when I was older, so that

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Speaker 2: I realized how special it is, because if it happened

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Speaker 2: it was all me. So yeah, and the team, not

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Speaker 2: the magic not the time.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting sometimes just sometimes you sit back and reflect.

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Speaker 1: I mean I just say it just before we walked in,

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Speaker 1: and I should say this for straight up, there are very

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Speaker 1: few Australians who actually create a product, which I don't

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Speaker 1: hate using the word, but it's probably proven. In this case,

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Speaker 1: it disrupts and it becomes a global disruption. There's very

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Speaker 1: few strainds have done that globally, and you're one of them.

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Speaker 2: So Road Equipment, I'm proud of it for sure. But

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Speaker 2: it's a team. You a thousand people. Now, I mean

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Speaker 2: it started with me and a couple of people, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's not just me, but it's amazing. Can you go

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Speaker 2: back to how it started? It? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I was a story where I mean,

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Speaker 2: So that's the story Danish. Yeah, I just did was

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Speaker 2: to make it more European, right right. I didn't start

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Speaker 2: and I've told the story many times. I screwed it

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Speaker 2: It was a nightmare. Had eight years a hell. But

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Speaker 2: from that came this. But it wasn't planned. I didn't expect.

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Speaker 2: It was just right place at the right time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But you've just been modest sounds, not at all. It's

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Speaker 2: That was amazing. Before it wasn't making any money.

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Speaker 1: It was the same. Yeah, But do you have like

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Speaker 2: My father was My mother and father were in sound

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Speaker 2: and then you've got something to prove. So for sure,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike's a very personal Yeah, you can make something

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Speaker 2: Well, there are aspects of this which are technical, so

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Speaker 2: I don't care what it looks like. You're not going

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Speaker 1: But the theater of this, so particularly for a podcast, particular,

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Speaker 2: That's just part of my DNA. Like if you said

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Speaker 2: even know where it comes from. Because we're talking fifty

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Speaker 1: And does that mean to be that person?

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Speaker 1: To actually build this up? Do you have to be

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Speaker 1: What do you have to do to go to university?

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Speaker 1: not know? Why do peopleant to listen? Why do people

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Speaker 1: want a podcast? Why are there's so many people.

435
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Speaker 2: Doing well what people want to do? They want to

436
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: make money out of it? Why do people want to

437
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,439
Speaker 2: listen to it? They want to learn? You know? And

438
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 2: the thing with it is now though you look like

439
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: diary ceo Lex Friedman yours, except there's so much out there,

440
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 2: right all they are incredibly interesting. I watched quite a

441
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: few of yours there, Herrick Banner and not he wasn't

442
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 2: were running out of time. So we've got to tighten

443
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: him up, you know. And then but the long form

444
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: podcast is I'm not Wagan. It's still I'm not. So

445
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: that's personal. I'm not so much into him. I like information,

446
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: so like Lex, yeah, but you know, I like to

447
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: see a three hour deep dive, right, But then I

448
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: would tighten him up as well, so that but that's

449
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: kind of what you do. You're not going to get

450
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Speaker 2: out of me. If somebody system, can you come along

451
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 2: and we want to do like a twenty minute any

452
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Speaker 2: of you go, no, I'm not interested because you're not

453
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: going to find out anything from me. You need to

454
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: talk to me for a long time and outcomes some stuff.

455
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Speaker 2: We piss off half of it and then it's some

456
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: gems there and we tighten it up and it's skill. Yeah.

457
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Speaker 2: So and I want to consume that the way I

458
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Speaker 2: want to consume it. I want to press the button

459
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Speaker 2: and go give me all that in ten minutes and bang, it'll.

460
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Speaker 1: Do it not in a text, but in a in

461
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Speaker 1: a video, in a video, auto auto edited, auto edits, Yeah,

462
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: the whole thing.

463
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,959
Speaker 2: And it will also learn what I what I like.

464
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: So parts of your podcast will go, well, here's one

465
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Speaker 2: that suits what you're interested in from for a mark

466
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: two hour podcast of course, killer, that's what you're going

467
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Speaker 2: to be doing.

468
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Speaker 1: So is that because you're Is that because it knows

469
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Speaker 1: which parts of my video, my my podcast that you'd

470
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Speaker 1: like to do in the part that you spent over, Yeah,

471
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Speaker 1: it'll know what I mean. It's time stamping. It just

472
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Speaker 1: goes through all the time.

473
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Speaker 2: And also the way you feed the model. Like so

474
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Speaker 2: there's so much in what we're talking about now, which

475
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 2: is the fillers. Get rid of them, tighten them up

476
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Speaker 2: and still make it flow. Yeah, but we can do that.

477
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Speaker 2: We can. We can see it for two hours and

478
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Speaker 2: then we can condense that with clever editing. Your guys

479
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: doing it to thirty minute thing highlights.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sort of what the guys do.

481
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: Now again, other people won't you know, I want the

482
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Speaker 2: long form I'm going to now and listen to them.

483
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: It's like the cooking show, you know, just let it

484
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Speaker 2: run one camera, one take off, you go, they drop things.

485
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Speaker 2: It's interesting, Yeah, but I don't need to do that.

486
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I go, give me, I'm driving to work, give

487
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Speaker 2: me ten minutes of tight mark talking to somebody. I

488
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Speaker 2: want the info.

489
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Speaker 1: Or I'm driving a bar and I'm able to listen

490
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Speaker 1: the next three hours.

491
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Speaker 2: There you go, what's your choice? Click three, two one,

492
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Speaker 2: ten minutes and they're all giving me the metal salient

493
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Speaker 2: points in ten minutes.

494
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Speaker 1: I'll be happy with that. But if you know, if

495
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Speaker 1: the AI, if I could say, if the AO said

496
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Speaker 1: to me, helling at me in the car for mark

497
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Speaker 1: three hours, give me the long form, there you go. Yeah,

498
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Speaker 1: it'll give me a long for it'll give you what

499
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Speaker 1: you want. Or I've only got forty minutes, give me this.

500
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Speaker 2: And then references off everything you say. Then you go,

501
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Speaker 2: if you'd like to learn more about that part.

502
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Speaker 1: Here's all okay, I said, references whatever you want, like

503
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Speaker 1: as an addendum sort of at the back. Yeah, that's cool.

504
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Speaker 2: Total of your family history. You mentioned one thing people

505
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Speaker 2: you've worked with.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you go go, that's amazing. So when will that?

507
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Speaker 1: Have you released it or getting ready to release it?

508
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Speaker 1: You're still working on.

509
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Speaker 2: It's got to got to space these things out to

510
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Speaker 2: suit what people want, so in the interface to it.

511
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Speaker 1: So what about it, because obviously road casters have been

512
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Speaker 1: more about the audio. What about video?

513
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Where you guys, I don't know if we've got to

514
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: think called nas CV, which is the most amazing production

515
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Speaker 2: tool for video so basically television and radio station for

516
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Speaker 2: a couple of grand yes, I mean, you know you've

517
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Speaker 2: been in media a long time. You know what it

518
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 2: meant before. Man, it's too cheap.

519
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Speaker 1: You couldn't afford it before. You could afford these before either,

520
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: by the way, and you couldn't You couldn't for the reg.

521
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Speaker 2: Where you're going to put it up and look at

522
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Speaker 2: the cameras now, I mean, it's so simple.

523
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Speaker 1: Because YouTube's YouTube still for me anyways, still a big

524
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Speaker 1: part of the whole podcast process, and that's obviously video.

525
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Speaker 2: But you don't even need that. You know, you can

526
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Speaker 2: stream it yourself. So YouTube is going to be one thing.

527
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Speaker 2: But then eventually you go, you know what, we'll just

528
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Speaker 2: have our own channel and people just you log onto

529
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Speaker 2: your stream.

530
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so you can.

531
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Speaker 2: See it live or whatever you want.

532
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Speaker 1: You have you released your cameras yet or you're.

533
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Speaker 2: About doing the cameras at the moment we deal. We

534
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: work with a lot of big camera companies as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

535
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Speaker 2: I mean it's there's so many projects that we could do.

536
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Speaker 2: This is where I've learned, you know, to analyze what

537
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Speaker 2: I should do, because no matter what you you only

538
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Speaker 2: have a certain amount of time. You might even have

539
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Speaker 2: the day, but you run out of mental capability bandwidth.

540
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Speaker 1: So what do you what do you see? Peter Friedman

541
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Speaker 1: being in his sixties now well healthy, yeah, prime of

542
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Speaker 1: his life, fit and ever before, happy, happy, happy enough.

543
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Speaker 1: I'm happy to we'll do it later. Happy, but happy

544
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: enough like in life like happy yeah, but like some people,

545
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Speaker 1: you know, how do I get happy? I just just

546
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Speaker 1: be happy enough? Like that's enough for you. You don't

547
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Speaker 1: have to happiness and happy enough to me is contentment.

548
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what just been content And it doesn't mean

549
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm happy all the time because going.

550
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Speaker 2: On, I love it. We're living in the best place

551
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Speaker 2: in the world, totally walking distance from me. Yeah, this

552
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: is amazing. I'm loving it. So yeah, I'm one already

553
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: and I get to do all this tech. It's just

554
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Speaker 2: a dream, do you.

555
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm this type of person I get obsessed

556
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Speaker 1: with new ideas, and you know, it's sort of like

557
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: focus man, semi sickness for the obsession. But one of

558
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Speaker 1: the things I'm you talked about earlier on but one

559
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Speaker 1: of the things I'm obsessed with, and it sounds really

560
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Speaker 1: fucking indulgent. And it's about trying to live as long

561
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Speaker 1: as possible.

562
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Speaker 2: And I, why do you want to do that?

563
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Speaker 1: Because I got so much I want to do.

564
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, don't you don't you also have

565
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Speaker 2: a feeling. I remember she passed away a while ago,

566
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Speaker 2: and she was ninety four, and I remember leading up

567
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Speaker 2: to it and she came out about enough. You know,

568
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Speaker 2: she wasn't to me, I'm not going But you say that,

569
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Speaker 2: and now I get it. I don't want to live

570
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Speaker 2: my life again. Well please, No, it's like I've seen

571
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: that movie now fifteen times, so do it again. No,

572
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm doing new stuff, but repeat it and.

573
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: No, I don't need that again.

574
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Speaker 2: Right, So eventually we might get to the point where

575
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Speaker 2: in the late eighties and go, yeah, I kind of

576
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: done it. I don't want to die, but I don't

577
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: give a shit anymore. I'm not scared of death and

578
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: I've done it. Man, I could die tomorrow and I'm

579
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: not going to really be going Oh actually would piss

580
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: me off a bit, but I wouldn't know. But there's enough.

581
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: I think we programmed to have an up. What do you

582
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: need to be one hundred year old?

583
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want the option.

584
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: So what are you going to do?

585
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I don't know there is that, but I wonder whether

586
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: you say, yeah, sure, I don't want to go back

587
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: and do what I've done before. But at the same time,

588
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not scared of death like you as well,

589
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: because when it happens, it happens, and when your dead

590
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But I'm also love life currently, so I

591
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: love learning me too, and if and if I could,

592
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: and if you have the capacity to continue to learn,

593
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: if new things always coming along, you can learn, Like

594
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about AI now, things we would

595
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: you and I would never conceived thirty forty years ago artificially.

596
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: I wonder if it'll continue.

597
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: Well, I kept wondering that too, but I keep seeing

598
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: things keep coming along, Like I never thought about the Internet,

599
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: but the Internet came along. I never thought about the

600
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Internet of things that's using senses and that came along.

601
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Speaker 2: We We're very similar, right, so we are enthusiastic. We've

602
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: got a young outlook blah blah blah, and it's not drive,

603
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: it's real. Yeah, But will we be like this when

604
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: we're in our late adies? I do haven't made in

605
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: his and he is going, Wow, lovely guy. Charles Curen,

606
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: sharp as attack, love and life, doing stuff, and I go,

607
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: that's that's my idol. That's what I'd like to be.

608
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: I I can be like Charles, but I don't know.

609
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: You know either, I made the kuld Nick plitis his

610
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: mid eighties, and Nixon ever been more vibrant, like He's amazing.

611
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: Please if that happens great, and.

612
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: Even old Harry Trigabov Harry's ninety two. Harry said right there,

613
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Speaker 1: and I see there. And Harry is as still as

614
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: full of life, not as energetic, but still is full

615
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: of life intellectually as evidence.

616
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: Is working still it goes work every day. I want

617
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Speaker 2: to drop dead in my work.

618
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: That's my goal with me too, And people said, why

619
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: do you want to work for the rest of your life?

620
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: But like you, when I went to school, all the

621
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Speaker 1: kids that I went to school with or retired to

622
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: sixty five, everyone's retired and they're fucking miserable. They're not happy.

623
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Speaker 1: So I read somewhere and it was in the brief,

624
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Speaker 1: and of course, well as you expect, I get a brief.

625
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: You like the book The Outer Wall son Zoo. Now,

626
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: I remember when I was in my forties, I gave

627
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: that to all my when I had the Wizopisess originally

628
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: the Whispersiness, I gave all my senior staff that book

629
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Speaker 1: to read that. I gave him the book the letters

630
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: from Machiavelli to the Prince as well about because we

631
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: were doing lots of acquisitions and what happens when you

632
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: buy a business, how you change the culture, how you

633
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: try to get the culture come along with you. And

634
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: that was Macallis led us to his prints and and

635
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: some people think that stuff Macabellian art of war is.

636
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: Too with the culture. To Macaveli is like has negative connotations,

637
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: but in Italy it's not. You understand, Now, that's the

638
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: whole point, you know, the whole the whole art of war.

639
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: You know, I did in China and the nineties, and

640
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: I learned it all. And you sort of slammed the

641
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Speaker 2: tail and got a sun subin fa, which is the

642
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Speaker 2: way of the warrior and it're all going and we're off,

643
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Speaker 2: we're running, you know, cold city.

644
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: Could you explain that?

645
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: Though?

646
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: Why do you think I have my views on it?

647
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: But like, why do you think the art of war

648
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: is valuable today in business? I'm talking about.

649
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: If you if you read it, it's valuable for life.

650
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's a you know, if you're weak, act strong,

651
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: if you're strong, act weak. All these little little parables

652
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: and you know, the rabbit being chased by the fox.

653
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: You know who could going to come out as well?

654
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: The rabbit's going to get killed the foxes once a meal.

655
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you can then learn so much and apply

656
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: it to life. You know, never take away a man's

657
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: rice bowl. Basically, you know, we're doing a deal and

658
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: I can screw you ruthlessly if I want it. I'm

659
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: not going to. I want you to walk again. Tough deal,

660
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: but he's fair because we'll do business again. Nothing to

661
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: do with cosmic karma, but it's the right way to run,

662
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: and that's just what it's full of. So it's not

663
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: about biting you know that.

664
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a very interesting one too. By the way,

665
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: about the rice bowl, you always got to leave something

666
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: on the table.

667
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: When you're doing a deal, the people, some dickheads think nah,

668
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: when it takes all well, you're a bushy and you

669
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: are going to burn all your bridges and nobody wants

670
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: to do with you. People want to deal with me

671
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: because they know they're going to do all right. And

672
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: I walk in if I was going to sell to

673
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: you back in the day, I walk in, I'm here

674
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: to make you money, Marck and you go over two

675
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: seconds if I go, I'm here to make me money.

676
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: To get the fuck out it. Yeah, simple, well I

677
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: needs a little bit.

678
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: But where where do you Where did you? Where did

679
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: you learn these the skills and life skills my parents?

680
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: And also selling. I mean I was on the streets

681
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: up here selling sound equipment in the in the seventies,

682
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: and you know, you learn real fast what works and

683
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: what doesn't because you didn't get the job where you

684
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: did get the job. It's like one of the I

685
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: tell people salesman as a guy who had a whole

686
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: run of gyms around Sydney in the eighties. Remember the

687
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: gym thinking of became in the nightclub and it was

688
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: in bonding and I quoted, this guy's a big, big

689
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: job thirty thirty grand, which I'm huge for me and he.

690
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean I never would wouldn't commit It.

691
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: Was the sound system.

692
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know for the aerobics, that's what I did

693
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: all the gyms, and I drove past what would just

694
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: seven times I've gone to see him, and I go,

695
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: I do one more time. Got it in my van

696
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: driving a bond van. Walked up. He looked at me

697
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: and went, oh, for God's sake, all right, got job

698
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: knowing I'm not going to forget this. So you learn

699
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: stuff along the way.

700
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and persistency. How important to give up? That's important

701
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: to give up on life.

702
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: Anything they're going to learn when to cut your losses

703
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: that's not given Up's like, don't don't keep doing something

704
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: that will fail. You know that's ridiculous, But you've got

705
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: to keep fighting. You fall down, you've got to get up.

706
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: When do you know if you're if the businesses is

707
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: a failure and it's time to give up.

708
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: I know it now, and that's from years and years

709
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: of making huge mistakes. So now I'm good at it,

710
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: just like you know the heuristic ability we've built up

711
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: over the years of screwing up. Right, So how do

712
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: you know, well, that's fifty one years I've been running

713
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: a business.

714
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: That's why, well you and I know, because we've been

715
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: doing it for so long.

716
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: Right, It's because you screw it up, that's why you know.

717
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: It's not because your magic knows stuff. Yeah, nobody's born

718
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: with knowledge. Yeah, we all learn. Yeah, you've got to.

719
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: And it was and remember a lot of people don't remember. Yeah,

720
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: but I've made the same mistakes three times. We're supposed

721
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: to make an idiot.

722
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: But to will marriage three times We'll start.

723
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not going to go there, but yeah, you

724
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: know you personal relationships probably the hardest thing in the world. Yeah,

725
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: but I think about it everything i've screwed up and

726
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 2: trying to be better person, better at it and being

727
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: fair not a fool, honest, that's that's what works for me.

728
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: But I'm also not a mark. There's a lot of

729
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: people trying to take advantage of your own life. And

730
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm super tough, but I'm also pushover in other ways.

731
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: You know, I've been quite brutal as well because of

732
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: what happened to me. Sad. I look back, I thought

733
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: I've made three grown men in my company. Big guys

734
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: cry and I'm looking and what are you doing, snowflake?

735
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: I mean like, no compassion, no nothing, this cold maniac

736
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: And then don't do that. I didn't mean to do it,

737
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: but it's like brutality of it because of what's happened

738
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: to me in the past.

739
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: Do you have any regrets about anything you've done?

740
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: And are you kidding me?

741
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: Of course a lot.

742
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: Oh. I could write books on my regrets. But what

743
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: vision mirror fix can't fix yesterday, can only fix now.

744
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: It's easy for me to be nice now because I

745
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: got there and I can take time, and I'm not desperate.

746
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: When you're desperate to make money that day, forget being nice,

747
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: forget me, and it's like you come near me and

748
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: you try and stop me. I'm going to I'm going

749
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: to punch in the face.

750
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the only things in your head at

751
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: that time. I'm surviving. I'm going to get my next

752
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: step ahead. And that's when you don't make very good job.

753
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: In a brutal area, which is in you know it's

754
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: media entertainers. How how what a bunch of assholes?

755
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: Big smile on stage, smile fuck you, that's my saying.

756
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: You know that you're getting smile.

757
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: Fucked all the time, of course, but you can't let

758
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: that make you better and twisted. I will maintain. I'll

759
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: give everybody a go, but I'm fast to judge. So

760
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: you'll I meet somebody, I'll be open, et cetera. One

761
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: NINEO second, I see, Oh, you're a complete prick. And

762
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: then they're dead, They're gone.

763
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: And do you use brush them all together? You just

764
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: brush them?

765
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have a lot of people, and

766
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: especially now with all this, you know, you get like

767
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: you know, you've had it all your life or for

768
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: long longer than me. You've got money, so people are

769
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: turning up because I want your money. Yeah, so you think, well,

770
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: what do you want? I know what you want, So

771
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: you could become jaded and you you can't let that

772
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: happen because there are nice people. Those people want you

773
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: for you to day.

774
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Well, I think, I think pet everything is like unfortunately,

775
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: most things in life is transactional.

776
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: Most things rest approsst. Yeah, but that's okay.

777
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

778
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: The ones I find amusing is they come along and

779
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: they want something from you, but they don't want to

780
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 2: keep you anything in return.

781
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't work. But they don't understand the reciprocity. No, yeah,

782
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: they're fools. They think you're going to give them something

783
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: and but there's nothing really going to come anything going

784
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: to come back the other way.

785
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: Stupid.

786
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you how do you live your

787
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: life and keep people away from.

788
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: You like firewalls? Yeah. People, it's hard to get to me.

789
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to get what I'm saying, Like, do you

790
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: would you call yourself a little bit of a recluse? Yeah,

791
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: well then a proper reculuse.

792
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I love it. I'm really happy in my

793
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: own mind. I got some friends. I'm very care very few.

794
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: I mean, real friends do you.

795
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: Have if you can know thousands, Yeah, I'll be tens

796
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: of thousands.

797
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: But yeah. So I'm totally happy in my in my

798
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: social life and what I do. But I don't go out.

799
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 2: I don't like to go out.

800
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: When people say you don't, do you go out to

801
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: me and you say, well, like, I might as pretty

802
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: much some as yours. I don't care for it. That's

803
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: probably I don't.

804
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: Parties. I get invited all the time, and basically it

805
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: there'll be some fundraiser if I've got my charities and

806
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: I give them their money and then somebody invites me out, saying,

807
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: cut to the chase, Dude, you know what do they mean?

808
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Close? I know what you want.

809
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: You're shitting me. You want some money. I'm going to

810
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: tell you no anyway, but learn to close because this

811
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. You want to come out and buy me lunch?

812
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: No you don't. I don't want your bloody lunch.

813
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: And do do you ever feel as though that you're

814
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: not many people in handle that? Do you feel as

815
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: though sometimes you're being to tickle them?

816
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. Yeah, they're being rude, and

817
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: I love it. Some of these fundraising people there.

818
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Complete more on so as your charities.

819
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them are. And they get indignant when

820
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: you don't give them your money. I go, well, what

821
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: do you give me your money with?

822
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: Help me through the same process? Beans through the same process.

823
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: It's silly. Yeah yeah, so yeah, no, that's okay. I

824
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: don't have a problem telling people.

825
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: See I mean this this show. He's gone straight talk,

826
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: But it seems like to me that you live by

827
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: you live by that talk straight, tell the straight.

828
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: But I won't do something that will hurt somebody. I'm

829
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: not showing off by doing and that'll only come out

830
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: when somebody oversteps the line, Like you're now being rude

831
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: by trying to push this. You're very bad at it

832
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: and you're you're upsetting me, So you're going to you're

833
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: going to cop it. Very few do because most people

834
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 2: aren't rude.

835
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: Do you feel like as we get older they we

836
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: get more tolerant.

837
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm getting younger, so I don't know about you.

838
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: So I like that. Well, mate, if you can discover

839
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: that one that is totally disruptive you have and I haven't.

840
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: Don't tell anyone. Don't tell them that?

841
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: Why not?

842
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: Because there's a secret?

843
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: Dude? He crazy? Now we are. I don't know whether

844
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: you want it, but you are going to add too

845
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: well over our hunch. Yeah, because all the diseases are

846
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: being cured and we know how to be healthy. We

847
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: don't smoke anymore.

848
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: Did you have a smoke when I was younger?

849
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: Maybe I could do sixty singings in the night when

850
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: I was running bands and stuff. Madness, You keep that

851
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: that's why everybody died in their forties or fifties, and

852
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: we have here, we are in our late sixties, and

853
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: do we look better than people who were in their forties,

854
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: and there are.

855
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: And we are mates who have died in their forties

856
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: and fifties.

857
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeahs full of yeah, people who have passed.

858
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: Away alcohol, drugs, yep, just shitty lifestyles and the and

859
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: the and then the devil gets them somehow, like you know, cancer,

860
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: part attack, stroke, whatever the fuck it is.

861
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: But we're on it now. Like you know, I'm getting

862
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: bloods done all the time, and vitamins and exercise, fresh air, water, sunshine,

863
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: being chill. Yeah.

864
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: So when you get in the morning, okay, let's say

865
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: wake up. Just not three o'clock because you're jet late,

866
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: but let's say it's four thirty whatever. Yeah what five am?

867
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: How? Just freezing too, By the way, I love it.

868
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: And I have all all my doors that happen cold

869
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: as cold in my apartment as it is outside.

870
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I like I like, I like it. I mean a

871
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: lot of people want to make the hair hot, but

872
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not quite that. I'm not quite that

873
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: cool for me. How did you come over there and

874
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: you've got the I'm just looking at the way you

875
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: dressed you You've got it all cool, man. You actually

876
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: look like a like a Tom Ford out or something

877
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: like that.

878
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: I'm not going out with you trying to crack on

879
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 2: to me happening. I like you too much.

880
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: Come on here, you got it. You've got the same deal.

881
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 2: Going be a couple of beers.

882
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: When you wake up at five am? And do you

883
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: do you rip into a coffee? Yeah, double espresso, double espresso. Now,

884
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: just to just to sort of refine that a little bit.

885
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: So when you talk about double spresso, like, are you

886
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to health and awareness your health? Are you?

887
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: Are you so obsessed with it that you will only

888
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: drink so cold press double espresso like there's been brewing

889
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: all night, or you want the property.

890
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: There's this little thing is like a one pot and

891
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: it's in a one shot like a normal and it's

892
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: paper like your hand bleached paper and killer. It's as

893
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: I reckon, ninety five percent, as good as a grind.

894
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: I used to do my own roasting and all I

895
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: get obsessive about everything and then get bored. But yeah,

896
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: so it's great coffee.

897
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: It's a big but you filter it.

898
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: Basically you feel it's like an espressom this big I'll

899
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: give you one, but that big little glass bottle. Man,

900
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: it's it's incredible.

901
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: It's bang, but you put a little filter thing in there.

902
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: It's these little things have a filter in it. It's

903
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: like a pot a shot of coffee encapsulated in a

904
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: filtered paper. You whack it and you close it, throw it.

905
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: They've been whack another one.

906
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: And oh wow, that's good.

907
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: That's the man best thing I've ever.

908
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: Because it takes something out of the coffee that is

909
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: not no good for us, but it keeps the caffeine

910
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: in and everything. The filter.

911
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's just paper. It's a shot of coffe. Yeah,

912
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: it's like the grind next door.

913
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like in the latter because you live around this

914
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: territory around now rather so.

915
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: Like a suburban of world. Don't tell anybody?

916
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: Could I say the name?

917
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: Hey?

918
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Can I say the name? What's the point it is?

919
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: Have you always looked there?

920
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, and then I was a bit different

921
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: then when I came back, probably eight years ago.

922
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: It's a very cool area.

923
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Although I'm living in an apartment building. I

924
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 2: shouldn't say this, but it's a little bit of a Actually, yeah,

925
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: we'll edit that one appropriately.

926
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll get our a edit that one. I

927
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: I edited that bit out. Actually, I edited out and Reserve.

928
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: It's the whole vibe changing in the area. It's becoming older,

929
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: which is a shame on. The younges have been pushed

930
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: out because of the apartment price one room. The size

931
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: of this office is twelve hundred bucks around a week.

932
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: I mean that's well, who can do that? No, I

933
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: don't the young people of creatives, et cetera. That's the

934
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: good part. We'll end up a whole of the rich

935
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: old farts, which is not much fun.

936
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I was having the social sporting

937
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: because it's a Reserve Banks meeting and I always get

938
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: on radio that day and I was talking about there's

939
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what you do, but I'd just

940
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: be interested to hear with someone like You've got to say,

941
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: for Australia, there are a lot of people, a lot

942
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: of kids, young people, great hard working kids between twenty

943
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: and thirty who look at what their parents might have

944
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: told them and what they've always been thought of. I

945
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: should I'm living in Australia to own a house, or

946
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: should earn a property, but I never I'll never own

947
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: anything in the rest of my life. I'll never get

948
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: to what Peter's got, what Mark's got, or even what

949
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: my father his father might have, or because they think

950
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: they think this is what they say. They say as

951
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: a result, they.

952
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: Think, right, if you think you are.

953
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: They can't afford it. They thought, I think they'll never

954
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: be able to afford to buy a property. What do

955
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: you think about? What do you think about that? I

956
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: mean nothing to do with anything other than the surprises

957
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: I made affordability for young people in Australia Matte.

958
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: Crazy, But it's what I would do.

959
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: What I would I'd love to know what you're thinking about.

960
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: It is get out of Sydney and you your money

961
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: that you make. I know, young people making good day

962
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: if they went to another area, they would have a

963
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: much better life, right and all the peers there the same.

964
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: That's what makes you unhappy if you see the black

965
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: next door doing so much better than you, even though

966
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: you might be doing really well, you're miserable. So don't

967
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: play the game. Don't don't do that. Move But now

968
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm want to stay here.

969
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: And grind away like it's so. What you're saying is paths.

970
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: They should move to another area like bar and Bay

971
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: or wherever that.

972
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: Wherever Campbelltown to the west regional New South Wales. I

973
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: mean there's some beautiful places in the bush dying for

974
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: people and you can get great properties. Lifestyle for kids

975
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: is great, but it's like they're scared of living in Sydney.

976
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: So then they're miserable making thousands a week, both people

977
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: working and they still feel like losers.

978
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: They spending on rent.

979
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: Spend it on rent, right, It's like, don't but.

980
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: Do you think Australia is losing it? Because you and

981
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: I grew up in the sixties and seventies in Australia,

982
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: which was like the bigger dream, the big dream of

983
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: it your men. Mom had this mate, as soon as

984
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: you're going afford it, you save it, deposit by a place.

985
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: You know. That was that's the big Greek thing, which

986
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: I did, and yeah, I.

987
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: Did bought cars instead.

988
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: I bought a property and then I got divorced and

989
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: I had to sell the property the first time. But

990
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: but no, I sort of did it because I could

991
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: afford it. I actually borrowed the money off. I told

992
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: him I borrow the money off Harry Triggeboff. He lent

993
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: me with all the money, not personally, but like what

994
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: year was this seventy six seven, and I bought an apartment.

995
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: He built the apartment, and if you bought one of

996
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: his apartments, he lent you ninety percent of the money.

997
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: I borrowed the other ten percent.

998
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: But I feel very responsible of you at such a

999
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: young age.

1000
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: Well, I was married, had a kid, so I was

1001
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: twenty that's too you twenty Just yeah, eighteen nine, and

1002
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: it was just I just got married and I had

1003
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: a kid. Man like I was. I married my girlfriend

1004
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: for school, you know that old thing. And and and

1005
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: not to know, I don't know any better, but I

1006
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: get not sad on all the word is, but I

1007
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: feel like young kids never going to get the same

1008
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: virtunity that you and I might have had at the

1009
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: same age, you know.

1010
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: But again the whole house ownership thing, and it was

1011
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: the Australian dream and a quarter acre block and all that.

1012
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: I remember. Mum and Dad's first place they bought was

1013
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 2: eleven grand in Winston Hills. And not just the time

1014
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: and the money changing, it did more than double and

1015
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: triple in real terms of what it takes your yearly

1016
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: wait right, so become silly. But say in Europe you

1017
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: can get long leases. The problem here is six months

1018
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: and then they're walking in and.

1019
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: Put the round up all that crap.

1020
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: So but if you could get a place and it's

1021
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: nice and go, here's a thirty or forty.

1022
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: Year lease, Happy days, Happy days.

1023
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: So we've got to change, right, and what all happened?

1024
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure of your ship granuation phones who are

1025
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: are roll wash with a coin. We'll start doing that

1026
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: because they're quite happy to get there a nice little

1027
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: return for the next one hundred and fifty years whatever. Right,

1028
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: And you're in this game, dude, this is where you

1029
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: should be going. You should be organizing stuff with Harry

1030
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: and coming up with rent places. But it's a fame

1031
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: as London. The ninety nine year liases is as good

1032
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: and you can flog it if you want it, you

1033
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: know what I And.

1034
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: You're not going to live longer than anyway, So happy days.

1035
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: Because what does it matter?

1036
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: The big issue is about getting jammed by the landlord.

1037
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: For these younger people every six months or tore moments.

1038
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: I have to get up there.

1039
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: When I was renting, when I broke up with my wife,

1040
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: first wife, I was renting, and it's terrible. Even though

1041
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: I was having a nice place. Some dude left his

1042
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: card on the table, had the keys right, and you

1043
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: come into my apartment while I wasn't there, and I

1044
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: mean I lost my ship. So then after that, I

1045
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: never said it's changed. All the bloody locks every time.

1046
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: Fuck them. But it's horrible. You can't hang anything on

1047
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: the wall and it's like you feel like, so you're

1048
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: writing a form. Do you own or do you rent? Rent? Oh? Rent? Yeah?

1049
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: Well it shouldn't be a stigma touched to it, but

1050
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: there is. And you're right in Europe most people rent places,

1051
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: but they get them for a long period of time.

1052
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: They ain't going to round them today.

1053
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: This is your quest.

1054
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, don't you think the prime minister should be

1055
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: talking to people? The Prime Minister is exactly the treasure

1056
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: holding the big summit. When do they invite you to

1057
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: come in and talk.

1058
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: To about I always find that really funny when they

1059
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: have they have tech summits and anything, and they don't

1060
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: forget I don't give you shit, I don't want to go.

1061
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: But they don't bring in businesses, the little businesses and

1062
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: might like me. We have the employers one or two

1063
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: of these big internet kind of people, God bless them,

1064
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: very clever. A lot of the ain't only about manufacturing

1065
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: or employment, like the way we do the group of

1066
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: people who make stuff. But we're in there in dieted.

1067
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: But what is that? Why do you think?

1068
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean, well, they're academics, so they're not Will you

1069
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: tell me a politician who's run a business, then run

1070
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: a lemon. I don't know. I met many of them.

1071
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: They're great, but they got well intentional, but.

1072
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: They don't know grassroots business and what it's like to

1073
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: start something and have no money. So some of the

1074
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: concepts are like, well, they're academic concepts of what we

1075
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: should do well.

1076
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: But you just put an idea on the table, which

1077
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: is a you know, I haven't heard this idea.

1078
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: Before, but I shop politicians, but I.

1079
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Heard an idea. You put an idea on the table

1080
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: that should be put on the table for this summit.

1081
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: It comes from Peter Freedman, who you know, he's a

1082
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: manufacturer of these things and other things like you know,

1083
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: its sound and equipment and everything to do all that technology.

1084
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: Leave me alone. I just want to get it.

1085
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, but the point is that they're not

1086
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: talking to people like you. That's my whole point. That's silly, yes,

1087
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: and not the don't even have a box where you

1088
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: can sort of send something into them and say, well,

1089
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: the kip to me to their idea. And you think, well,

1090
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be bothered because if I do

1091
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: send it and they're not going to read anyway, they

1092
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: won't give me the time of day. Because here we

1093
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: are having a podcast about your business and all suddenly

1094
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: thought to myself, I'd love to know what peterph somewhere,

1095
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: Peter Freeman thinks of this. This probably how would you

1096
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: solved We'll get people for your lease?

1097
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you and I could sort this totally if

1098
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 2: we wanted to, and we had the coin to put

1099
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: to it. Maybe Harris should get involved. But because he

1100
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: can do it. Man, what a change to Australia.

1101
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: Because this isn't all a bad and I think maybe

1102
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: one of the things that drives you was maintaining your dignity.

1103
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: But dignity is an important thing. Everyone deserves to have dignity,

1104
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: and the indignity of being a renter and you're gonna

1105
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: have to leave after six months or within six months

1106
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: a guy jacks at to a price you can't affords. Sure,

1107
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: you don't need that shit.

1108
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: The pressure of these young kids, and they've got the

1109
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: children and they're working so hard and they're making they're

1110
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: bringing in thousands every week and they feel like they're

1111
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: on the bread line. I mean that's madness. So one

1112
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: of you've got to come up with a sort of

1113
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: explanations like what is it what you could do as

1114
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: an alternative and regional Australia should do things to attract them.

1115
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: There are in the States. I'm going to do a

1116
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: lot of work in the States and the local places

1117
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: they're bringing people in, they'll they'll help them build a

1118
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: house and there's proactive stuff that to attract people there.

1119
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: I heard something recently as all as I thought was great.

1120
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: I think it's hungry where if a woman has one child,

1121
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: that reduced their tax I think if they have three kids,

1122
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: they'll never pay tax again. Wow, women, right, So it

1123
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: means women can go out of the workforce, but they

1124
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: know when they go back in they're making coin. Plus

1125
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: we have more population, I mean.

1126
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: It makes sense.

1127
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: That's like a what a brilliant I don't know what

1128
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: other policies they have which are probably stupid, but that

1129
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: one sounds bloody good.

1130
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And whilst we're talking about ideas, you know that's

1131
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: our disfe government, and that's great and I love that policy,

1132
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: those policies when you're you know, I don't want to

1133
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: sound like that's good vodka by the way, very good.

1134
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: No one knows but the bottles of it. But my

1135
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: good ideas you're like for me to some extent when

1136
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: you must have made decisions about this sort of stuff

1137
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: and the sorts of conception we're talking about relation to

1138
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: AI and using that as an AI editor so to speak.

1139
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: We'll go at dinner one night. I'll blow your mind

1140
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: saying on this, but I'll blow your mind.

1141
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: What do you think about the industries of the future?

1142
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean, does that's something that you think about much constantly?

1143
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a huge factory here. I have three

1144
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: major companies, you know, one in Seattle, one in Rio Rancho, Albuquerque.

1145
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 2: You know, lots of staff, big real factories. So I'm

1146
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: constantly looking at where manufacturing is going. And AI is

1147
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: not going to take that either. By the way, That's

1148
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: another part of my ongoing success because you've still got

1149
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: to make stuff. I can come up with concepts, but

1150
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: it can't.

1151
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: Make it physically, can't make it.

1152
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: No, but there'll be less requirement of certain people. That's

1153
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: the big danger.

1154
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but those certain people can be redirected into do

1155
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: other ways. I don't know the answer to that. I

1156
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: can't hear. But like a postman who used to deliver

1157
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: the mile, he's probably doing delivering He's probably delivering Uber

1158
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: eats or something now. But at least you can do something.

1159
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: He's delivering something.

1160
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: Because that's the scary stuff.

1161
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: Man.

1162
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: Who would have.

1163
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: Ever thought that one of the biggest industries in the

1164
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: world would become couriers, the humble courier Because we buy

1165
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: really online, we're going to get delivered as.

1166
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: A service industry is what is going to flourish and

1167
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: live performance and this sort of thing and theater and

1168
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, I'm involved. Sydney Festival is looking at what

1169
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: they're doing next year and it's exciting and we're going

1170
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: to want more of that. But doctors, lawyers, accountants, lots

1171
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: of design and say universities, I'm a bit of a

1172
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 2: shit SERI. I write an article on LinkedIn and basically

1173
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: if anybody says to me they're studying for a doctorate

1174
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: or why you're of no use anymore? I got that

1175
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: in my computer. Now every paper that has ever been written,

1176
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: and then cross discipline completely. So I'm sorry if you're

1177
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: a specialist. I'm a generalist. What I wrote this article

1178
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: about it a little bit about a real lot of stuff,

1179
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: and now the world is my oyster. Yeah. Completely, And

1180
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: if you've got a kid who's like that, they're going

1181
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: to inherit the earth. You don't need to be a specialist.

1182
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: You need to be a generalist. And then use.

1183
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: AI because I could ask a question this morning about

1184
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: university when I was on the radio, and.

1185
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: I hope you have a degree? Do you?

1186
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: I do very humorous, but will roll it up. That's

1187
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: my era. That's no, I get it.

1188
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: I grew up. But people work doesn't mean union's going

1189
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: to disappear now, not quickly, because society doesn't change quickly,

1190
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: and they'll hang on for a long time. So somebody actually,

1191
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: one of the guys that work, Damien, my CEO, and

1192
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: he said he's right. I think he said it was

1193
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: when people who are thirty five now dead. That's the

1194
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: kind of timeframe. That's when all these things we're saying

1195
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: we'll have taken hold. There won't be those units, there

1196
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: won't be you know, even your doctors and we will

1197
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: have all the auto blood tests and you know, but

1198
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: our governments are going to make the doctors control it

1199
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: in the short term and I can see exactly what's

1200
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 2: going to happen, but there are going to be people

1201
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: who are going to be.

1202
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: Out of work, going to end up. It's my answer

1203
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: was that will become a plumber.

1204
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: You have how many plumbers?

1205
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: Well, we need a lot of here and austral at

1206
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: the moment electrician building.

1207
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know the future for everybody, and

1208
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: they're still churning out thousands of people who will not

1209
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: have any.

1210
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: Work, and there's universe is definitely out.

1211
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: But even kids now blows my mind. You're sort of

1212
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 2: talking to parents and people that still don't understand, even

1213
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: from young to any age group, and you do know

1214
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: what's happening. Can you not see the two kilometer high

1215
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: tsunami out there? And they're going, what I can see it?

1216
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: You can see it, but very few can. We could.

1217
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of snobs out there too.

1218
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: They think, well, you know, if you don't have a

1219
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: university degree.

1220
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about how they're going to be wiped out.

1221
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: Who cares about the snobs?

1222
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the their jobs on yesterday made.

1223
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: Means nothing. Yeah, we can as an example, so this

1224
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: is how I walk around with this pocket all the

1225
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: time because I can't help myself like a little kid.

1226
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: There's a wireless transmitter from this new company. Right, So

1227
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: the code and this is the best in the world

1228
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: who use their old film. Right, there's code in which

1229
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: takes you have to be a specialist to write it

1230
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: in that area for years and it would take weeks

1231
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: and weeks to do. We can do a new code

1232
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: on an AI now to three minutes and it's better.

1233
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: So for that for an any device like that. What

1234
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: does that thing that's a wireless transmitter? Come on, man,

1235
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: you've been there everybody film, you know, when you see

1236
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: a movie, every Hollywood movie uses actually this brand company.

1237
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: So it's like a lab mic, you know.

1238
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeh yeah, yeah, but you're wa't carrying around what what

1239
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: you're carrying around with?

1240
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: You get the vibe?

1241
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, ship tell me the truth going whatever? Really sure

1242
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: it's grabbing something from the from it.

1243
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: So I just look at it now and again, and

1244
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: then I can think. My mind works in a very

1245
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: strange way, and so I'll look at that and I

1246
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: think about another product.

1247
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: Did you ever think about it the way?

1248
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: I'm really strange? I really love it?

1249
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well you're happy with it, that's the most boyling.

1250
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: But do you ever think to yourself? My mind does

1251
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: think differently to others?

1252
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: Now? Do I didn't know that. That was the hard part,

1253
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: because you know, how do you know you're a certain way?

1254
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: He just used you and then kind of recently was diagnosed.

1255
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: I think I've watched a Jim Jeffery singer. Yeah, and

1256
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: I agree with him, and he was diagnosed. I think

1257
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: from memory as a kid, right, I'm dyslexic, and it

1258
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: came late. I was told. I didn't know that. I

1259
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: just thought everybody thought that. So right now I've said

1260
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: this before. I'm thinking about half a dozen things right now. Yeah,

1261
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: we're talking and I'm acting, and.

1262
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: I always call it a performance.

1263
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm also thinking about work and other stuff.

1264
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: But that's I thought everybody did. So now I'm thinking

1265
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: about this now as well.

1266
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeahs your question, because the.

1267
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: Movie going on here, actually three movies going on, and

1268
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: some of them are good.

1269
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: And sometimes sometimes I think of myself, if we.

1270
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 2: Could do this again. Sometimes I did bring me vodka

1271
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: every seven minutes. Drink.

1272
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: So sometimes I think of myself when we have a

1273
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody actually not talking to them at all.

1274
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: We're having conversation with ourself. We're actually talking to ourself,

1275
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: whether they interact with what we say or not.

1276
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: And we want to come across a certain way. So

1277
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: do you two wankers trying to show.

1278
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: Off we're having a conversations.

1279
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: Well, from time to time, yeah, ans and lies, aren't they.

1280
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's from time to time. So I'm a banker

1281
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: and I'm a liar, and but but I do really

1282
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: think we haven't like because often have to ask it.

1283
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm to address the crowd and stuff like that, and

1284
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm actually talking to them. Makes you're talking

1285
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: to myself the whole time. But they people then are

1286
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: having a conversation in their own hand.

1287
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: About what I'm doing. I could tell you're authentic. I'm

1288
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: really believe you're a real person. I believe in stuff.

1289
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I do have conversations with

1290
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 3: myself all the time. And I don't mean in a

1291
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: sense that I'm talking to myself. But as far as

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: I'm concerned, my conversation, my conversation is not two ways

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01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 3: it's one way.

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Speaker 1: It's in my mind.

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01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't you question yourself like I love that

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01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: I analyzed. I can't. Why did you say that? Why

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01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: did you stupid?

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01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: It's great, Yeah, that's so your talking to yourself.

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01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Idiots shouldn't have done that.

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01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: It was funny this morning, yeah, because you know how

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: they say get into the light in the morning, because

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01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: the morning. So I did that this morning. And what

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01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: I just found a part where I could go do

1304
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: was it was in Betatic guards and I was sitting

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01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: there and I had my phone and I was, this

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01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: sounds a bit bit terrible blood. So I was on

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01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: I was on one of the AI protocols and I

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01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: was once I was I asked a question, but I

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: had an allow speaker, so I was, I was talking

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01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: to it and I was I was talking to me back,

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: and I was talking to the lads about mitochondria, and

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01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: I was asking the asking the protocol about we just

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01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: explain to me how the electron transport system works when

1314
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: it comes to mitochondria. Anyway, it starts to get in

1315
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: all your Yeah, still give me the long conversation. And

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01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: a dude walks past and sits down right next to me.

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01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: And he could hear mine was a female voice, and

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01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: he could hear a female voice talking to me. And

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01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm just talking back to it, and it's talking to me.

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01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: And I looked, I look. I didn't want to look

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: at it because I was sort of trying to construct

1322
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: with saying because it was quite complex and I was

1323
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: trying to understand it and try and remember and put

1324
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: it together. And I looked across the guy and the

1325
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: guys guy or I was actually talking to a person,

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01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: and it was so good. It was so good.

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01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: But you are gain to the more advanced AI assistance

1328
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: that you're going to have very very soon. It's going

1329
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: to be somebody that knows you. Yeah, he knows everything

1330
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: about you. It's also tapped into grow, GPT, whatever, ninety

1331
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: three deep seek all of them, and it's you have

1332
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: the power of the world right.

1333
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: It is amazing, man, it's incredible.

1334
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 2: It's just like we are living in the most mind

1335
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: blowing time.

1336
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: Do you think the time will come when you don't

1337
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: need a partner or you don't need anybody in your

1338
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: life and you get this? Do you actually talk to this?

1339
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: Do you talk to all the time? What?

1340
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you mean? No need a partner. Do

1341
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: you want a sex for robot? No?

1342
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: No, no, we're not apart from physicality. I'm just talking

1343
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: about in terms of company. Weird now company company.

1344
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: Like a person will vacuum and I can't talk to

1345
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: you talking about.

1346
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: That's what make me talk like this is how many

1347
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: vodkas they give me? They give you a spike in

1348
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: the drinks. So but do you think that time will

1349
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: come when they will people? There will be there will

1350
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: be a fake version of Peter Friedman sitting there like

1351
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: physically looks exact like a robot, and you'll be, you know,

1352
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: embedded with this.

1353
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I got one for you.

1354
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: I go for you, so you might join the real

1355
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: Peter Friedman.

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01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: Who knows? I think I'm a simulation. I think it

1357
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: could be we could both be in a simulator.

1358
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: Bring me the right Peter Freeman, and please, I want

1359
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: to see the rule.

1360
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: Real slim shady. So the thing that I am going

1361
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: to do, and I don't I wouldn't want it, Like

1362
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: my mum and dad had been going a long time.

1363
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: I can't remember their voices, but I'm going to be

1364
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: able to. I'm going to do it anyway, scan myself, really,

1365
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: really high there and then answer all these incredible questions

1366
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: and I'll have my voice, and so in the future, grandkids,

1367
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: great grandkids can log on and talk to me. Yeah,

1368
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: and it will be me.

1369
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: I definitely want it, but I don't want it.

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: I know.

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01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: I don't want it for myself at all.

1372
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 2: I think I've got to do it.

1373
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: I would like to have it for them, right one percent.

1374
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: That's because you know I did when my dad was

1375
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: dying last year. I recorded every before he went in

1376
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: the hospital. I record every conversation that he had with me,

1377
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: every message. I've kept it in my still my phone,

1378
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: and every now and then I remember my parents just

1379
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: the sound. It's so important. Yeah, I don't know why.

1380
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: So that's why I want to do it. But then

1381
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: they go like I want that, No, I want to

1382
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: leave my mom and dad where you know where it is.

1383
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: But I have to do it because my grandkids, all

1384
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: great grandkids are along. Game might want that.

1385
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: You know have great and grandkids, yet my grandkids, your grandkids.

1386
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: Haven't you got four? Yeah? I got I got three

1387
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: and one on the way. Yeah, the three boys in

1388
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: one hopefully a grand daughter coming. Because there are four sons.

1389
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't have any there's all men in my life

1390
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: like no, no, no girls. But look, we're really looking

1391
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: FOROD to get a granddaughter, suit mate. I'm getting it.

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01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm getting hit up down here by the side because

1393
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: I think you've upset editor too, because he's going to

1394
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: get replaced by your AI and I can show.

1395
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: A matter pivot.

1396
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: He's getting upset now. But I'm going to wind it

1397
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: up now, mate, But I'll tell you what really seriously,

1398
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: it didn't dig deep enough Manute, Yeah I could. But

1399
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: the problem you know what the problem I have now is,

1400
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: and I'll say it publicly. I have to go and

1401
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: listen to the Reserve Bank government make a speech for

1402
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: the interest rates way more, way more in so I

1403
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: said to the guys. But like, unfortunately, that's well, we

1404
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: can do it again.

1405
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1406
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: Maybe there's time over a drink.

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01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: I like it all right, good on