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Speaker 1: Approche Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am

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Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle comments and in.

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Speaker 2: This episode I speak with Sahit sha Version also known

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Speaker 2: as Chess Braw.

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Speaker 1: He actually made a post saying I got more followers

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Speaker 1: on Facebook than John Howard. At the time he had

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Speaker 1: like sixty thousand Pollois and I got more than John Howard.

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Speaker 1: It was first in English first and maths first, in

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Speaker 1: science biology from year seven up until year eleven. Up

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Speaker 1: around year eleven he started learning about girls and drugs

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Speaker 1: and then it went down here from that. I had

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Speaker 1: spoken him two days before and then he said he

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Speaker 1: was supposed to come back in two days. And then

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Speaker 1: the police will literally at my door and they just

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Speaker 1: gave me the news and put his destitude in front

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Speaker 1: of me, and I'm just like and then I'll try

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Speaker 1: to call his phone and then started screaming and then just

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Speaker 1: going crazy and they just held me and tough dude.

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Speaker 2: Before we jump in, if you missed part one, go

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Speaker 2: check it out now as the second part continues right

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Speaker 2: from where we left off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not the person that who was in the

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Speaker 1: cross anymore. Yeah, I get that, bro. Yeah, but then you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you get haters. You fucking want to think they

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Speaker 3: know my life and they don't know my life. Bro,

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Speaker 3: Yeah you don't know.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, bro, like cut from the same cloth,

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Speaker 1: just different stories you and know you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like people thought they knew who I was my whole life,

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Speaker 1: and I just wanted to be my own man. And

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Speaker 1: now that I'm my own man, like all the respect came,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, where were you, motherfuckers when I was

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Speaker 1: always this guy all along? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like I had to prove myself and you're not that

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Speaker 1: I had to.

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Speaker 3: But you know, did you find when when your brother

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Speaker 3: was alive that well, actually when he passed away, that

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Speaker 3: a lot of people kind of backed off from you

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Speaker 3: or left you. And then you see the users who

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Speaker 3: were there. Yeah, of course, because I seen that when

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Speaker 3: I left. You know, everyone wants me to help them

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Speaker 3: or bring me up for help. But when I get out,

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Speaker 3: it's like where are with He's all gone now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well a lot of that loyalty goes away, bro,

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Speaker 1: And like when the fun times stop and the partying

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Speaker 1: stops at the end of the day, who's really there? Bro?

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Speaker 1: Your family? Bro? And that's what you learn as you

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Speaker 1: get older, and there's nothing wrong with that, bro, You

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Speaker 1: know you have you can still maintain friendship and maintained

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Speaker 1: friendship with a lot of day ones, but you know

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Speaker 1: it's it's from a distance. Some of them wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: good for my health and my psyche, and some of

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Speaker 1: them are you know, are proper nutters. But you know

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Speaker 1: we're still friends. I keep my distance. We talk here

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Speaker 1: and there, but that's it, bro. I am my person,

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Speaker 1: there their person. We do. I do my thing, they

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Speaker 1: do their thing. Back then, you're so young, you're caught

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Speaker 1: up in the scene and you yeah, you're just in

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Speaker 1: that bubble, bro, and then you really it's not until

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Speaker 1: you're alone that you realize and you truly come to

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Speaker 1: see who you truly are. The same thing happened with me, man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when he died, a lot of the fakes disappeared, a

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Speaker 1: lot of new people started coming in and then just

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Speaker 1: riding his wave, riding my wave, and yeah, it's just

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Speaker 1: a fucking journey. Brother.

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Speaker 3: Do you get sick of people using his name a lot,

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Speaker 3: like to get themselves out there?

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Speaker 1: Not? Really? That's an interesting question, I think because I

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Speaker 1: think deep down as would have enjoyed it. As you

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Speaker 1: know him. He loved the attention, he loved the spotlight.

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Speaker 1: So I think for him, anyone like speaking of him

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Speaker 1: there with a big grin on his face. So I

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Speaker 1: look at it like that. So I think when people

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Speaker 1: are using his name and you know, either with they're

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Speaker 1: speaking about him, good or bad, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of influencers using his name like everyone,

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Speaker 3: and I'm just thinking, but they don't even they didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what annoys me about when I

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Speaker 1: think that's annoying, is they see a completely different version

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Speaker 1: but you could just get a vibe for what kind

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Speaker 1: of a idiots This is just a big geek, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's just a cool big geek, like a cool dude,

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Speaker 1: this like and like no disrespect, like god like figure,

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Speaker 1: but like brother, there's only there's only one God, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then for people to idolize

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Speaker 1: my situation, people like put me on such a pedestal.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my guys, relaxed, Like I'm just a

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Speaker 1: normal dude, bro, just doing normal dude shit, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, no one's above anyone, ra all

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Speaker 1: the same rule, just doing our own thing. And I

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Speaker 1: just I want people to see as as the man

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Speaker 1: he was and has been, a vulnerable human who made mistake,

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Speaker 1: who did bad things, who did good things, and not

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Speaker 1: as this unattainable god like figure that a lot of

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Speaker 1: these young kids see him as. Because the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, he was nothing like what he portrayed himself

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Speaker 1: online and that was it. How was he beyond the

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Speaker 1: closed doors bro? Just like me? Just chill, nice, humble, respectful, sweet, caring,

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Speaker 1: very loving. A lot of people don't know, but he

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Speaker 1: was in a long term, three year relationship. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: much of a playboy or a player like he was

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but like not. I think he liked

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Speaker 3: There was no more like, yeah, you gotta look like that,

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Speaker 1: He loved the attention because he was a geek his

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Speaker 1: whole life and a nerd. You know, he did well

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Speaker 1: in all of his classes in school. He got Ducks

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Speaker 1: it means first in your grade. And he had three

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Speaker 1: from that. But he was a naturally really smart and

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Speaker 1: geeky kid. And this is what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 1: like people don't really know him for what he was.

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Speaker 1: They just look at their outside exterior and young kids

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Speaker 1: he wasn't perfect. He made mistakes. We all make mistakes,

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Speaker 1: and they learn that you just got to be your

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Speaker 1: it's good that people mention him and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't like people would expect me to be upset

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Speaker 1: to me, it's happy that they're still talking about him

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Speaker 1: and keeping his name alive, and that, to me is

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Speaker 1: And whether it's people speaking of him good or bad

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Speaker 1: is still being kept alone. But these millions of people

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Speaker 1: all on the earth speaking of him, And I think

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Speaker 1: as big as he is now. He became bigger in

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Speaker 1: you know, And that's normally the curse of falling early,

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Speaker 1: you come up. It's what I'm amazing, Biggie Kirk, Cobain, anyone,

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Speaker 3: Like, like you look at people who've competed and it's crazy,

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Speaker 3: Oh you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you did not even have to compete.

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Speaker 3: He just had to go on social media and an

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Speaker 1: To be fair, he was the first of his kind

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Speaker 1: I remember he actually made a post saying, oh, I

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Speaker 1: At the time, he had like sixty thousand polis and

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Speaker 1: Kyle and JACKIEO. Like he was like he was genuinely

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Speaker 1: like he loved it. He loved the attention, bro. And

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Speaker 1: Like he was raw and real. Nothing was scripted, nothing

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Speaker 1: And that's why the love and respect was so strong

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Speaker 3: Like I know you two are close, you know, but

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Speaker 3: you were more than a brother, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Best friends? It was my soul mate. Did you do

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Speaker 1: everything together? Everything? Brother? Everything? Everything like even like sharing girls,

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Speaker 1: like everything broken everything. I'm talking everything, bro, Like anything

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Speaker 1: doing we did together. I was like best mates, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? So, okay, let's see this. So

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Speaker 1: you vote. Invaded him to go to the gym? Yes,

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Speaker 1: and were just like, oh, you're doing pills at this event.

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Speaker 1: And he's like yeah, and I was like, fuck, you're

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Speaker 1: only seventeen. I'm like, He's like, I know you do too.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I do. Like, but I'm twenty. I

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Speaker 1: uh yeah. Just after that we're more open and honest

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Speaker 1: I didn't believe it at the time. I just I

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00:18:02,721 --> 00:18:04,521
Speaker 1: thought they were lying, and I felt like I was

429
00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:07,920
Speaker 1: in a bad Yeah. I was just in disbelief. I

430
00:18:07,961 --> 00:18:11,360
Speaker 1: was just like, nah, this, I fucking spoke to him yesterday, No,

431
00:18:11,481 --> 00:18:13,681
Speaker 1: two days ago. I think I can't remember. My brain

432
00:18:13,721 --> 00:18:15,920
Speaker 1: has actually blocked out a lot of the stuff from trauma,

433
00:18:15,961 --> 00:18:18,160
Speaker 1: to be quite honest, it's blocked out a lot of

434
00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,521
Speaker 1: the stuff from trauma. But I think I had spoken

435
00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,920
Speaker 1: him two days before, and then he said he was

436
00:18:22,921 --> 00:18:24,321
Speaker 1: supposed to come back in two days. And then the

437
00:18:24,321 --> 00:18:26,441
Speaker 1: police were literally at my door and they just gave

438
00:18:26,481 --> 00:18:29,041
Speaker 1: me the news and put his destiny in front of me,

439
00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,961
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I'm like what, I'm like, There's

440
00:18:32,001 --> 00:18:33,801
Speaker 1: no fucking way. And then I tried to call his

441
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,960
Speaker 1: phone and then started screaming and then just going crazy

442
00:18:37,001 --> 00:18:39,481
Speaker 1: and they just held me. And yeah, so it was

443
00:18:39,681 --> 00:18:42,761
Speaker 1: fucking bro. I blocked that memory out of my life

444
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,760
Speaker 1: so hype so badly. But yeah, it was fucking tough too.

445
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,041
Speaker 1: Did you go over that? Did his body his body

446
00:18:48,041 --> 00:18:50,760
Speaker 1: came back, His body came back. Did it hit reality

447
00:18:50,801 --> 00:18:54,801
Speaker 1: when you've seen that? Yeah, I mean it kind of

448
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,041
Speaker 1: hit like a few days after and then his body

449
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,521
Speaker 1: came back. And then all my friends and even my

450
00:19:01,561 --> 00:19:03,760
Speaker 1: family were like, you shouldn't see him, you shouldn't see him.

451
00:19:03,801 --> 00:19:05,680
Speaker 1: This is gonna sky you for life. I'm like, no, no, no,

452
00:19:05,761 --> 00:19:07,681
Speaker 1: like I need to see him. I need to see

453
00:19:07,721 --> 00:19:09,561
Speaker 1: if it's him, you know what I mean, like to

454
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,041
Speaker 1: have closure. And then I saw it as him, and

455
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,400
Speaker 1: then uh, yeah, I remember I kissed him on the

456
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,721
Speaker 1: forehead and I just remember saying, I'm going to continue

457
00:19:17,721 --> 00:19:20,360
Speaker 1: what you started. I'm never gonna fucking stop. And I

458
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,761
Speaker 1: never did, brother, I never fucking did. I continued and

459
00:19:23,801 --> 00:19:26,641
Speaker 1: carried out his legacy while living out my own, while

460
00:19:26,681 --> 00:19:30,441
Speaker 1: strengthening our family name and our own legacy together, which

461
00:19:30,481 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 1: has been a blessing and quite a life, quite a

462
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,001
Speaker 1: fucking life, and I wouldn't change it for the world.

463
00:19:37,041 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 3: Bro.

464
00:19:37,961 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, his death made me become greater than what I

465
00:19:41,241 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 1: could have ever become. He brought me out of my

466
00:19:43,761 --> 00:19:46,441
Speaker 1: shell because I was always the quieter of the two brothers,

467
00:19:46,761 --> 00:19:49,640
Speaker 1: or the more softly spoken, even more than him, way

468
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,201
Speaker 1: more softly spoken, way more quiet, way more shy, way

469
00:19:52,201 --> 00:19:55,321
Speaker 1: more introvertal. He was like the larger than life figure. Yeah,

470
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 1: so if you thought he was shy and quiet, I

471
00:19:57,281 --> 00:19:59,481
Speaker 1: was one hundred times more than that, bro, Way way

472
00:19:59,521 --> 00:20:02,041
Speaker 1: more than that. So it was his death that made

473
00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,680
Speaker 1: me come out of my shell and become who I became.

474
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,001
Speaker 1: So had he been alive, dude, I would have still

475
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,561
Speaker 1: probably been the background character and let him have all

476
00:20:11,561 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: the spotline. Probably would have been a pet or something,

477
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,921
Speaker 1: and probably would have been super shy and quiet guy.

478
00:20:17,561 --> 00:20:20,041
Speaker 1: But now over the years, people have recognized me as

479
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,201
Speaker 1: being super confident and outgoing and outspoken, and I'm just like, fuck,

480
00:20:24,201 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 1: how did all this happen? And it wasn't It's not

481
00:20:26,521 --> 00:20:28,400
Speaker 1: like a course you can do or something you can learn.

482
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 1: It's something that life just kind of just throws on

483
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,721
Speaker 1: you and you either grow with it and you go

484
00:20:34,761 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 1: with it or you go the other way. And I

485
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 1: guess for me it was an option, a bro, I

486
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,561
Speaker 1: just did. It made me stronger, you know what I mean?

487
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,801
Speaker 1: Like death, immediate death in the family, whether it's your siblings,

488
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: your children, it can either make or break you. And

489
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: for me it little fire in me, bro and it

490
00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: made me rise up and take the bodybuildings Steaga. While

491
00:20:55,001 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 1: it took me almost ten years, I had to go

492
00:20:57,441 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: through my trials and tribulations before I could become the

493
00:20:59,721 --> 00:21:03,321
Speaker 1: man it could become. So from twenty five, I'd say

494
00:21:03,321 --> 00:21:06,161
Speaker 1: to about thirty one, ten years took me. I six

495
00:21:06,241 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: years of just proper morning, not eating properly, not training properly,

496
00:21:09,721 --> 00:21:15,281
Speaker 1: drug abuse, everything. Until people around you to help you

497
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,681
Speaker 1: to get through this. I'd like to think that I did,

498
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,721
Speaker 1: But all they did was put more drugs in front

499
00:21:19,761 --> 00:21:24,041
Speaker 1: of me and enable poor behavior. More so, they weren't

500
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,561
Speaker 1: concerned with helping me be better. You just wanted to

501
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,001
Speaker 1: get on the drugs and hell yeah yeah. And it

502
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,321
Speaker 1: took me growing up and becoming like a little bit

503
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,921
Speaker 1: secure in my own skin to realize, Hey, these motherfuckers

504
00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:38,001
Speaker 1: weren't my friends. What kind of friends put fucking coke

505
00:21:38,041 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: and drugs in front of my face? Like after my

506
00:21:40,921 --> 00:21:42,961
Speaker 1: brothers died and the years on end, Like, what kind

507
00:21:42,961 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: of friends are they? Those aren't fucking friends? These are

508
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,921
Speaker 1: these are these are snakes, man, Like a true friend

509
00:21:48,001 --> 00:21:50,321
Speaker 1: would have helped me get clean, would have been there

510
00:21:50,321 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: to look after me, and like, we'll see if my

511
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: family are okay, check in time to time, not just

512
00:21:54,001 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: pour me in for every fucking party and brop my

513
00:21:56,721 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: brain into further degeneration. When I was like such a

514
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 1: critical like mindset, you know what I mean. So, and

515
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,001
Speaker 1: it took a bit of self discovery and my own

516
00:22:04,001 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: self journey to realize. So around thirty one, I kind

517
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: of just realized that thirty thirty one distanced myself from everyone.

518
00:22:11,481 --> 00:22:13,041
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna take

519
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,281
Speaker 1: this fucking bodybuilding thing more seriously. I'm going to start

520
00:22:15,281 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: my own clothing business. I'm going to start my own

521
00:22:17,001 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: online coaching business. I want to give this social media

522
00:22:19,721 --> 00:22:22,201
Speaker 1: thing a real crack. And now, brother, I can safely

523
00:22:22,241 --> 00:22:25,961
Speaker 1: say that you know, like, I'm doing so great and

524
00:22:26,001 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: it's been such a blessing and I see people working

525
00:22:28,721 --> 00:22:31,441
Speaker 1: nine to five and I'm here just traveling all over

526
00:22:31,441 --> 00:22:33,761
Speaker 1: the world and doing anything I want, doing things that

527
00:22:33,801 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 1: I love to do, and like, bro makes me so happy,

528
00:22:36,441 --> 00:22:38,001
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Bro, I should have just if I

529
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: had this belief in myself at the age of twenty five, Bro,

530
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,081
Speaker 1: I would have been a fucking movie star by now.

531
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,321
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, I went through shit.

532
00:22:45,481 --> 00:22:48,041
Speaker 1: Everything's yeah, and I had to learn, you know what

533
00:22:48,041 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean. At that time, I wasn't thinking of business

534
00:22:50,321 --> 00:22:53,241
Speaker 1: and making money and successful. I was just like, let's

535
00:22:53,241 --> 00:22:54,961
Speaker 1: take one step at a time, one day at a time,

536
00:22:55,001 --> 00:22:56,801
Speaker 1: because the worst thing in life has just happened to

537
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,241
Speaker 1: me and I need to move forward and survive. And yeah,

538
00:23:01,281 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: it took me about six years. So the last thirty

539
00:23:04,481 --> 00:23:06,481
Speaker 1: one to thirty on last eight years have just been

540
00:23:07,001 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: pure bliss, bro. Like as much happiness as a man

541
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: who's lost his soulmate can have, but absolutely pure bliss. Bro.

542
00:23:13,441 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: Like I've met a wonderful girl, I've launched Monster of businesses,

543
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,161
Speaker 1: traveled to over fifty countries in the last eight years,

544
00:23:19,201 --> 00:23:25,281
Speaker 1: done exposed fitness expos all over the world in Germany, Spain, England, Russia, China,

545
00:23:25,921 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: just doing what I love. Being a fitness influences what

546
00:23:28,041 --> 00:23:31,281
Speaker 1: I if you said before, did you ever have a dream?

547
00:23:31,321 --> 00:23:33,321
Speaker 1: Not as a kid, but when I was a young

548
00:23:33,321 --> 00:23:35,281
Speaker 1: guy into bodybuilding, I did have a dream, and my

549
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,441
Speaker 1: dream was to do something and make money in fitness.

550
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,761
Speaker 1: And I've managed to do it now. Bro, So I

551
00:23:40,801 --> 00:23:44,241
Speaker 1: am literally living out my dream and it feels fucking good.

552
00:23:44,481 --> 00:23:45,961
Speaker 1: It feels fucking damn good. Bro.

553
00:23:46,281 --> 00:23:49,001
Speaker 3: What before we get back into all the bodybuilding stuff,

554
00:23:49,561 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: what area did you grow up in?

555
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,721
Speaker 1: Well? What area? When he passed? Were you all living

556
00:23:54,761 --> 00:23:55,801
Speaker 1: in around the Hills area?

557
00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:55,961
Speaker 3: Bro?

558
00:23:56,321 --> 00:23:57,401
Speaker 1: Way around the Hills area? Yeah?

559
00:23:57,441 --> 00:24:01,601
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so that makes sense to me. Yeah yeah,

560
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,641
Speaker 3: because we're up in the west. No, No, because when

561
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 3: I because I'm from the Hills right ye Castle Will No, No,

562
00:24:06,481 --> 00:24:07,801
Speaker 3: I'm from like Dural Hills.

563
00:24:07,921 --> 00:24:08,721
Speaker 1: Oh beautiful.

564
00:24:08,761 --> 00:24:11,521
Speaker 3: So one night, when when I found out that he

565
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,201
Speaker 3: was in Riverston, you went, wow, why here?

566
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: Like That's what I was trying.

567
00:24:15,441 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: To think, Like why They're like, it's it's a small,

568
00:24:17,801 --> 00:24:20,841
Speaker 3: little compact family kind of cemetery.

569
00:24:20,961 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: We chose Riverston because a lot of Kurdish people are

570
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: buried there from our community. So that's why the parents

571
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,321
Speaker 1: chose Riverston Cemetery, not by geographical location or anything like that,

572
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,041
Speaker 1: just because a lot of Kurdish people from the community

573
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,041
Speaker 1: are buried there. So my parents wanted him to be

574
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: closer with like our community of people.

575
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: Wow.

576
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,161
Speaker 1: But yeah, we grew up in the hills area around

577
00:24:38,201 --> 00:24:41,321
Speaker 1: Carlingford Eastwood. We always eventually I was a Pta Castle Hill.

578
00:24:42,241 --> 00:24:44,521
Speaker 1: It was mad, bro like, it was mad growing up

579
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: in that area, like I would have hated growing up

580
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,641
Speaker 1: in the West. Half of our aesthetics crew all grew

581
00:24:49,681 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: up from the West, and you can tell the difference

582
00:24:51,241 --> 00:24:54,681
Speaker 1: from them and us. We are just far more educated

583
00:24:54,721 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: and a lot more eloquent and well spoken then then

584
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,441
Speaker 1: the boys from the West. They were a bit more

585
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,041
Speaker 1: red blooded and a little bit more primitive and a

586
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,241
Speaker 1: little bit more aggressive. It was just it was very

587
00:25:03,241 --> 00:25:06,201
Speaker 1: obvious to tell, like the two sides of the spectrum.

588
00:25:06,201 --> 00:25:08,601
Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting, you know, but but we bonded

589
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: over our love of like fucking fitness, women, gym, aesthetics parting.

590
00:25:12,201 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's where we all had the common ground

591
00:25:14,241 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: but very different people. Wow. Yeah, because I was. I

592
00:25:17,201 --> 00:25:19,241
Speaker 1: was just that was the biggest question. I wanted to ask,

593
00:25:19,241 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: why Riverston And now you've just answered that for me?

594
00:25:21,921 --> 00:25:23,041
Speaker 1: What was there? What was the funeral? Like?

595
00:25:23,241 --> 00:25:25,201
Speaker 3: Was a massive field that a lot of people turn

596
00:25:25,241 --> 00:25:27,641
Speaker 3: off for that out of hand? Or was you keep

597
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: it quiet?

598
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,401
Speaker 1: It was pretty quiet, Bro, there was maybe like i'd say,

599
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: one hundred people, one hundred and fifty is it that?

600
00:25:34,441 --> 00:25:36,801
Speaker 1: Would you call that a big funeral? That's fair big, yeah,

601
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,441
Speaker 1: but that's kind of that's more intimate. Honestly, I can't

602
00:25:39,481 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: even fucking remember, dude. Yeah, I can't even remember.

603
00:25:42,761 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: Was it like?

604
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,761
Speaker 1: Was that kind of a that they just a blair

605
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: to you? It was such a it still is a blur.

606
00:25:48,241 --> 00:25:50,321
Speaker 1: I remember it being big, but I couldn't tell you

607
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,521
Speaker 1: for sure. It's a fucking great question. The power of

608
00:25:52,561 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: the mind, see what it does, bro, just blocks out

609
00:25:54,681 --> 00:25:56,041
Speaker 1: things you don't want to remember, what you don't want

610
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,561
Speaker 1: to think. I'm pretty sure it was big. I'm pretty

611
00:25:58,561 --> 00:26:01,921
Speaker 1: sure it was big. It's crazy to say that. I'm

612
00:26:01,921 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was big, but it might have been small.

613
00:26:04,921 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think about one hundred people, but

614
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: all at the time that I could remember was just

615
00:26:10,521 --> 00:26:14,281
Speaker 1: him and everything else's background noise. So in my mind,

616
00:26:15,281 --> 00:26:18,561
Speaker 1: there was no one there. If that makes sense. Why

617
00:26:18,561 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: do you think he was so popular. Why do you

618
00:26:20,681 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: think he was so popular with the teenagers and the

619
00:26:23,001 --> 00:26:25,801
Speaker 1: young people, dude? I think he was a voice for

620
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,041
Speaker 1: all the young and skinny guys, all the outcasts of

621
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,681
Speaker 1: the society, all the fucking losers and who couldn't get

622
00:26:31,681 --> 00:26:34,281
Speaker 1: girls or who couldn't socialize it was too awkward. He

623
00:26:34,521 --> 00:26:37,161
Speaker 1: was that kid who was that kid who became this kid,

624
00:26:37,961 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: and they're like, fuck, well, if this guy can do

625
00:26:39,761 --> 00:26:41,721
Speaker 1: it and document his whole story on Facebook how we

626
00:26:41,761 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: did it, we can do it too. Because he literally

627
00:26:43,921 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: was like a world of Warcraft like gamer that was

628
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: like super skinny, that had this huge transformation that portrayed

629
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,401
Speaker 1: this super confident, larger than life character. And I think

630
00:26:54,441 --> 00:26:56,321
Speaker 1: that's what all the young kids looked at, the ones

631
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: that were picked on in high school, the ones that

632
00:26:58,481 --> 00:27:00,241
Speaker 1: didn't make it to the top of the football team

633
00:27:00,321 --> 00:27:02,441
Speaker 1: or didn't have their choice of girls. They're like, well,

634
00:27:02,441 --> 00:27:04,041
Speaker 1: if this kid can do it, we can do it too.

635
00:27:04,241 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: And he spoke to a generation of kids and brought

636
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,001
Speaker 1: a generation of people into bodybuilding that no other fucking

637
00:27:10,041 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: bodybuilding has ever been able to do. I'd like to

638
00:27:12,921 --> 00:27:17,161
Speaker 1: say that Aziz was the Connor McGregor of the fitness industry.

639
00:27:17,241 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: Conna brought people into the UFC that never had any

640
00:27:20,241 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: interest or love of fighting or anything to do with

641
00:27:22,721 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: fighting at all. He brought a new audience of people

642
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: that otherwise would have never looked at fighting, touch fighting,

643
00:27:29,921 --> 00:27:32,761
Speaker 1: or considered fighting to be a sport or interesting. He

644
00:27:32,801 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: had that larger life personality, as was that for the

645
00:27:35,241 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: fitness industry. He brought people that would have seen bodybuilding

646
00:27:39,201 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: as like a cult like sport for just people that

647
00:27:41,761 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: are like just being and like aggressive. He brought like

648
00:27:44,521 --> 00:27:48,241
Speaker 1: a whole generation and different audience of people that would

649
00:27:48,281 --> 00:27:50,881
Speaker 1: have never otherwise been into bodybuilding. And that's why he's

650
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,001
Speaker 1: so loved, because he gave these guys hope. And these

651
00:27:54,041 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: guys that came in and had their own transformations felt

652
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,841
Speaker 1: better about themselves and their own skin through their own

653
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: bodybuilding journeys and this and that, and they always look

654
00:28:01,921 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: back to how did we get to this level? It

655
00:28:03,681 --> 00:28:06,761
Speaker 1: was fucking Ziz. It's a beautiful thing, bro. So he

656
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,001
Speaker 1: brought all these people that otherwise wouldn't have ever been

657
00:28:09,441 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: into the gym, and I think that's the best comparison.

658
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: I like to how did he cope by getting to

659
00:28:14,041 --> 00:28:16,561
Speaker 3: like some of the people like calling him God, Like

660
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: that's massive shit, and like, how did he cope with that?

661
00:28:19,521 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: Was he not affecting? Yeah? Yeah, not that well man. Yeah,

662
00:28:24,001 --> 00:28:27,041
Speaker 1: Like on one side he was really humble, but on

663
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:30,041
Speaker 1: obviously on another side he would lap up the attention

664
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: and really enjoy it. But it got to a point

665
00:28:33,441 --> 00:28:36,681
Speaker 1: where little such high expectations of him that he felt

666
00:28:36,681 --> 00:28:39,801
Speaker 1: immense pressure to obviously always get bigger, get leaner, be

667
00:28:39,881 --> 00:28:42,761
Speaker 1: stronger in the gym, just party that much harder, make

668
00:28:42,961 --> 00:28:46,081
Speaker 1: videos ten times more entertaining. So it's like a blessing

669
00:28:46,081 --> 00:28:48,641
Speaker 1: and a curse, Like it was just the curse of

670
00:28:48,681 --> 00:28:50,681
Speaker 1: always having it to be better than his old self

671
00:28:50,681 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: and always like improving and being better and stronger and

672
00:28:53,241 --> 00:28:56,641
Speaker 1: funnier and all these kind of things. So when there's

673
00:28:56,681 --> 00:29:00,681
Speaker 1: how much pressure placed on you, it's very very hard

674
00:29:00,961 --> 00:29:04,081
Speaker 1: not to crumble in a way and not to feel

675
00:29:04,561 --> 00:29:07,001
Speaker 1: the way of the world when they're watching over you,

676
00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:08,921
Speaker 1: especially at such a young age where you're trying to

677
00:29:08,961 --> 00:29:11,401
Speaker 1: just fit in and have everybody like you and ship

678
00:29:11,521 --> 00:29:13,401
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I mean, it feels to

679
00:29:13,401 --> 00:29:14,681
Speaker 1: do it at a later age. I don't think you

680
00:29:14,681 --> 00:29:16,921
Speaker 1: would have given a fuck, to be honest. But then

681
00:29:17,281 --> 00:29:18,841
Speaker 1: I feel if you've done it on a later age,

682
00:29:18,841 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have impacted as many people. That correct. Yeah,

683
00:29:21,761 --> 00:29:24,801
Speaker 1: so like again, it's like a double sword, is it. Yes,

684
00:29:25,001 --> 00:29:27,881
Speaker 1: I I've never seen so someone so young. Yet, as

685
00:29:27,921 --> 00:29:30,321
Speaker 1: I said before, he only did you ever think this

686
00:29:30,401 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: kid of DC's that you saw would have become like

687
00:29:33,321 --> 00:29:34,641
Speaker 1: when I was wild to see you?

688
00:29:34,801 --> 00:29:37,121
Speaker 3: That's what I mean, Like, I mean, that's what I suppose.

689
00:29:37,201 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: He had that presence and he had this image that

690
00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:42,401
Speaker 3: you will never forget. Okay, So even though I met

691
00:29:42,441 --> 00:29:44,401
Speaker 3: the first time I met him, I remember every time

692
00:29:44,401 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: he turned up, he stood in the crowd, and I

693
00:29:46,041 --> 00:29:48,361
Speaker 3: sometimes do I think once maybe I let him go

694
00:29:48,441 --> 00:29:48,961
Speaker 3: from the line.

695
00:29:49,161 --> 00:29:50,401
Speaker 1: Yep, But when I heard.

696
00:29:50,241 --> 00:29:52,561
Speaker 3: The bad news about it, straight away I knew who

697
00:29:52,561 --> 00:29:52,761
Speaker 3: he was.

698
00:29:52,841 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: You didn't have to show me a picture. Yeah, you

699
00:29:54,241 --> 00:29:55,761
Speaker 1: just knew. I knew it's like that guy.

700
00:29:56,561 --> 00:29:58,241
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's the key that used to let in,

701
00:29:58,401 --> 00:29:59,761
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, the key that used to

702
00:29:59,801 --> 00:30:01,801
Speaker 3: let in with the shirt, the small shorts and over

703
00:30:01,841 --> 00:30:04,161
Speaker 3: the years you would have seen him become larger than life, correct,

704
00:30:04,481 --> 00:30:06,321
Speaker 3: you know, like he opened up to me and the

705
00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: old are your kids so mine eleven and thirty, they

706
00:30:08,961 --> 00:30:10,961
Speaker 3: would have known about him just yet but a bit

707
00:30:11,041 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: oh no, don't actually know you're wrong there. Actually my

708
00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:15,681
Speaker 3: eldest one does because he's he said, just the net.

709
00:30:15,921 --> 00:30:17,801
Speaker 1: So everyone I get probably looks up to him in

710
00:30:17,841 --> 00:30:20,521
Speaker 1: a way probably like this kid's ye yeah, it's crazy,

711
00:30:20,561 --> 00:30:23,081
Speaker 1: it's crazy, And you're probably thinking this this, how do

712
00:30:23,121 --> 00:30:24,801
Speaker 1: you know about this person? Guy? I met him?

713
00:30:24,801 --> 00:30:26,081
Speaker 3: But how do you know about That's when you say

714
00:30:26,081 --> 00:30:28,121
Speaker 3: he opened up to you in a way where he

715
00:30:28,121 --> 00:30:31,761
Speaker 3: wouldn't He wouldn't come in with his head down anymore.

716
00:30:30,641 --> 00:30:33,481
Speaker 1: So nice because we got to know each other.

717
00:30:33,561 --> 00:30:36,761
Speaker 3: You know, there was no like he wait there once

718
00:30:36,801 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: I got to know that this person isn't trying to

719
00:30:39,441 --> 00:30:40,001
Speaker 3: be somebody.

720
00:30:40,121 --> 00:30:41,601
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just a good kid. He's humble.

721
00:30:41,681 --> 00:30:44,001
Speaker 3: Yeah, people like that will get out the line.

722
00:30:43,921 --> 00:30:46,561
Speaker 1: And is and is that because d C's at the

723
00:30:46,601 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: time obviously went from like being what it was to

724
00:30:49,521 --> 00:30:52,721
Speaker 1: being more like having like more like ethnic people there

725
00:30:52,761 --> 00:30:54,841
Speaker 1: and walks there from being like a gay club at

726
00:30:54,841 --> 00:30:57,081
Speaker 1: the start, and you didn't want people coming to the

727
00:30:57,121 --> 00:30:59,441
Speaker 1: place that are basically going to cause trouble. Well, that's

728
00:30:59,561 --> 00:31:01,441
Speaker 1: that was because you'd look at him and you'd think,

729
00:31:01,601 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: this kid's not going to cause trouble. Look at the

730
00:31:03,281 --> 00:31:06,561
Speaker 1: short shorts. So where what was it that would make

731
00:31:06,601 --> 00:31:08,401
Speaker 1: you think twice a bit? It was the dress code,

732
00:31:08,681 --> 00:31:10,561
Speaker 1: because I know you'd have to voice very I was

733
00:31:10,641 --> 00:31:13,001
Speaker 1: very on the dress code. Like dress code, yep.

734
00:31:13,241 --> 00:31:15,681
Speaker 3: But I was also big on on on the tats

735
00:31:15,721 --> 00:31:17,681
Speaker 3: and people being bulked up and fucking thinking.

736
00:31:18,281 --> 00:31:18,961
Speaker 1: Yes, he was.

737
00:31:18,961 --> 00:31:21,081
Speaker 3: Jacked and all like that, but you could probably tell he.

738
00:31:21,041 --> 00:31:23,561
Speaker 1: Wasn't like a bad cut. He wasn't he wasn't a stereotype. Nah.

739
00:31:24,081 --> 00:31:25,761
Speaker 3: But and at the end of the day, you know,

740
00:31:25,761 --> 00:31:27,561
Speaker 3: when I first met him and as I said, and

741
00:31:27,601 --> 00:31:29,121
Speaker 3: I let him in, we done that thing on the door.

742
00:31:29,521 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: I knew from then he was humble, all right. I

743
00:31:31,241 --> 00:31:33,161
Speaker 3: didn't think i'd see him again because he was from

744
00:31:33,161 --> 00:31:34,601
Speaker 3: the boat part. I remember him from the boat because

745
00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: I did the boat too.

746
00:31:35,521 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: He loved it.

747
00:31:36,201 --> 00:31:39,121
Speaker 3: Then when he came back and then it was like, Okay,

748
00:31:39,201 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: it's you again, and then it's you again, and then

749
00:31:40,761 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: I think it was on maybe the fifth or sixth time,

750
00:31:42,321 --> 00:31:45,321
Speaker 3: I've seen him. I remember flicking the barrier and he

751
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:47,121
Speaker 3: and he walked in. I said, broke going. I said,

752
00:31:47,121 --> 00:31:49,721
Speaker 3: all right, boat going, and yeah, we had a little band.

753
00:31:50,041 --> 00:31:52,441
Speaker 3: I'd always say, bro put your fucking your ship back

754
00:31:52,481 --> 00:31:52,681
Speaker 3: on me.

755
00:31:53,841 --> 00:31:57,761
Speaker 1: He love definitely. Every time I went for walk upstairs

756
00:31:57,841 --> 00:32:00,761
Speaker 1: to get drinks to take he was a cheeky little

757
00:32:00,761 --> 00:32:03,401
Speaker 1: bugger like that. It was very cheeky. But no, that's

758
00:32:03,441 --> 00:32:05,641
Speaker 1: that's how I remember him. And that's as I said.

759
00:32:05,521 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: When I heard the new bad news about him, and

760
00:32:07,521 --> 00:32:09,521
Speaker 3: you show it away, you know what I mean. But

761
00:32:09,601 --> 00:32:11,441
Speaker 3: it was always what I remember when I was telling

762
00:32:11,441 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: everyone when it happened, it's the kid who he used

763
00:32:13,561 --> 00:32:13,961
Speaker 3: to let him.

764
00:32:14,001 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: It was never like who he was. I didn't give

765
00:32:16,001 --> 00:32:18,001
Speaker 1: a shit who he was. But I didn't realize how

766
00:32:18,001 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: popular he was. That's the biggest thing I didn't know.

767
00:32:20,761 --> 00:32:22,841
Speaker 1: And when you realize, you would have just probably been

768
00:32:22,881 --> 00:32:25,121
Speaker 1: like what the fuck? Like this guy is like huge,

769
00:32:25,601 --> 00:32:29,041
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like worldwide, Like that's crazy.

770
00:32:28,681 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: Like millions and millions of fans adalyze him, like you know,

771
00:32:31,481 --> 00:32:33,641
Speaker 3: I've looked it up. You know what I mean for

772
00:32:33,721 --> 00:32:37,801
Speaker 3: someone that age have millions and not just Australia, everywhere.

773
00:32:37,361 --> 00:32:39,641
Speaker 1: Man, and you've got these big influence. It's probably even

774
00:32:39,641 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: bigger overseas than he's here in Sydney, Australia. The things

775
00:32:42,241 --> 00:32:44,521
Speaker 1: that they're saying about him, He's immortal, he's this, he's here.

776
00:32:44,561 --> 00:32:48,281
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's crazy. I see these comments all the

777
00:32:48,281 --> 00:32:51,441
Speaker 1: time TikTok Instagram, and I'm just like, it makes me smile. Man,

778
00:32:51,441 --> 00:32:54,121
Speaker 1: I'm like they're still Like for them to remember him

779
00:32:54,601 --> 00:32:56,761
Speaker 1: and keep speaking about it makes me feel like he's

780
00:32:56,761 --> 00:32:59,441
Speaker 1: still alive. The worst thing it could happen is when

781
00:32:59,441 --> 00:33:01,681
Speaker 1: a man dies, everyone just forgets him. And that has

782
00:33:01,721 --> 00:33:04,121
Speaker 1: given me like so much purpose in life as well,

783
00:33:04,121 --> 00:33:06,041
Speaker 1: and just so much happiness to see that people still

784
00:33:06,041 --> 00:33:08,121
Speaker 1: speak about him. You know, it makes me feel still

785
00:33:08,121 --> 00:33:10,361
Speaker 1: connected to him, like he's still around, Like he's like

786
00:33:10,441 --> 00:33:12,881
Speaker 1: I still have a mission to complete for him and

787
00:33:12,961 --> 00:33:14,241
Speaker 1: for me, Like you know what I mean, I still

788
00:33:14,241 --> 00:33:16,881
Speaker 1: got ship to do. That's why, Like this documentary is

789
00:33:16,921 --> 00:33:18,321
Speaker 1: just like the start of it, bro, Like I got

790
00:33:18,321 --> 00:33:20,841
Speaker 1: so much more, bigger plans and it's it's it's great

791
00:33:20,841 --> 00:33:24,041
Speaker 1: that people are keeping his name alive. I appreciate it

792
00:33:24,081 --> 00:33:27,921
Speaker 1: and I hope it keeps happening, and when he.

793
00:33:27,961 --> 00:33:30,041
Speaker 3: Was when he got to the fame, he got a

794
00:33:30,081 --> 00:33:33,521
Speaker 3: sponsored Jim Shark, Yeah, Jim Shark.

795
00:33:32,001 --> 00:33:37,201
Speaker 1: That wed or something like that, Nutris SUPs mutated Nation,

796
00:33:37,361 --> 00:33:38,801
Speaker 1: and he got singlets to Wear or something like that

797
00:33:38,881 --> 00:33:41,201
Speaker 1: for some company. Yeah yeah, yeah, it wasn't Jim Shark,

798
00:33:41,441 --> 00:33:43,721
Speaker 1: but no doubt he'd probably be with Jim Shark now

799
00:33:43,761 --> 00:33:46,641
Speaker 1: it feels around. But it was a company called Nutris SUPs.

800
00:33:47,081 --> 00:33:49,761
Speaker 1: And then he started his own protein label called Protein

801
00:33:49,801 --> 00:33:52,241
Speaker 1: of the Gods. So he played on this whole god

802
00:33:52,441 --> 00:33:55,321
Speaker 1: zeus like aura that people threw upon him. He's like,

803
00:33:55,321 --> 00:33:56,881
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna play with it. And then

804
00:33:56,881 --> 00:34:02,881
Speaker 1: he started his own protein label he started after he passed.

805
00:34:02,921 --> 00:34:05,521
Speaker 1: It just kind of like with yeah, just faded out

806
00:34:05,521 --> 00:34:07,841
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what I mean. And the

807
00:34:07,881 --> 00:34:11,681
Speaker 1: clothing obviously he wasn't around. And then we would have chats,

808
00:34:11,881 --> 00:34:13,441
Speaker 1: me and him as he was on his come up,

809
00:34:14,081 --> 00:34:15,881
Speaker 1: like how cool it would be to start a clothing

810
00:34:15,921 --> 00:34:18,361
Speaker 1: line together, and I was like, yeah, I'd run it

811
00:34:18,401 --> 00:34:21,321
Speaker 1: and you'd just be the face. And then obviously he passed,

812
00:34:21,321 --> 00:34:23,041
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, man, like I got to I

813
00:34:23,041 --> 00:34:24,401
Speaker 1: got to create this, you know what I mean, and

814
00:34:24,401 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: then that's how Subversion Fitness, which is the clothing line

815
00:34:27,481 --> 00:34:29,881
Speaker 1: that I've been doing for the last ten years, was born.

816
00:34:30,241 --> 00:34:32,441
Speaker 1: It was born from a dream of like two brothers,

817
00:34:32,561 --> 00:34:34,201
Speaker 1: one legacy, you know, and that's what I like to

818
00:34:34,241 --> 00:34:36,521
Speaker 1: dub it as. And like all these kids now from

819
00:34:36,521 --> 00:34:38,521
Speaker 1: all over the world by the clothes, wear the merch

820
00:34:38,801 --> 00:34:41,041
Speaker 1: and you know, just it's incredible.

821
00:34:41,081 --> 00:34:41,201
Speaker 3: Man.

822
00:34:41,201 --> 00:34:43,361
Speaker 1: I've kept it going for ten years and it's something

823
00:34:43,361 --> 00:34:45,201
Speaker 1: that we dreamed of doing together. So I'm happy to

824
00:34:45,201 --> 00:34:47,121
Speaker 1: say that I'm still doing that to this day, among

825
00:34:47,161 --> 00:34:47,681
Speaker 1: other things.

826
00:34:47,721 --> 00:34:51,521
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, because I look at him and to go,

827
00:34:52,121 --> 00:34:54,721
Speaker 3: imagine if he turned up the fitness expo.

828
00:34:54,881 --> 00:34:59,401
Speaker 1: Oh man, have a bigger line than like Arnold Swartzenegger. Like,

829
00:34:59,761 --> 00:35:02,401
Speaker 1: it'd be fucking insane. If you came out in Sydney

830
00:35:02,441 --> 00:35:05,881
Speaker 1: right here, people that didn't didn't even know him would

831
00:35:05,881 --> 00:35:08,281
Speaker 1: still recognize him. We'll see him from the time where

832
00:35:08,281 --> 00:35:09,921
Speaker 1: he passed away and he was on the Channel seven

833
00:35:10,001 --> 00:35:11,961
Speaker 1: news or they would have seen his head around or

834
00:35:11,961 --> 00:35:13,601
Speaker 1: heard his name. You don't even have to know him

835
00:35:13,601 --> 00:35:15,721
Speaker 1: to know him. That's how fucking big his name is,

836
00:35:16,041 --> 00:35:17,961
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He could just like randomly

837
00:35:18,001 --> 00:35:21,161
Speaker 1: sporadically appear right now to fitness expert, I'm telling you

838
00:35:21,161 --> 00:35:23,841
Speaker 1: that place will get fucking shut down. It'll be crazy.

839
00:35:24,241 --> 00:35:26,201
Speaker 3: How are you going about, like, I know we've talked

840
00:35:26,321 --> 00:35:27,601
Speaker 3: a little bit about it, about how are you going

841
00:35:27,641 --> 00:35:29,241
Speaker 3: about now keeping that legacy.

842
00:35:28,921 --> 00:35:32,361
Speaker 1: Going for him? So basically I've just been living my

843
00:35:32,401 --> 00:35:35,401
Speaker 1: life for him and for me for the last however

844
00:35:35,641 --> 00:35:38,601
Speaker 1: so many years. For example, the clothing line is one

845
00:35:38,641 --> 00:35:41,481
Speaker 1: way that I like to feel like I'm giving back

846
00:35:41,561 --> 00:35:44,201
Speaker 1: to the people. They wear these clothing, they feel like

847
00:35:44,201 --> 00:35:46,201
Speaker 1: they're attached to, you know, two brothers that help them

848
00:35:46,201 --> 00:35:48,721
Speaker 1: in their bodybuilding a fitness journey. So that's the dream

849
00:35:48,721 --> 00:35:51,041
Speaker 1: that means is shared. So I'm keeping it alive by that.

850
00:35:51,081 --> 00:35:54,761
Speaker 1: I'm keeping alive by just always one period of time,

851
00:35:54,761 --> 00:35:57,721
Speaker 1: I had like about like hour's worth of content of

852
00:35:57,801 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: his from his computer and his hard drive, and every

853
00:36:00,081 --> 00:36:03,081
Speaker 1: year I would release a video about him to keep

854
00:36:03,121 --> 00:36:04,841
Speaker 1: his like kind of like Tupac Man, you know, Tupeks

855
00:36:04,841 --> 00:36:06,681
Speaker 1: still had songs coming out when it was when it

856
00:36:06,721 --> 00:36:08,481
Speaker 1: was passed away, and people like how like the one

857
00:36:08,561 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: with Eltera, John and Shit. I did the same thing

858
00:36:10,441 --> 00:36:13,041
Speaker 1: for as I gave him his last dying Wish. I

859
00:36:13,081 --> 00:36:15,081
Speaker 1: was last Wish, and I remember he just wanted to

860
00:36:15,081 --> 00:36:17,361
Speaker 1: be so mega famous, larger than life. He loved the

861
00:36:17,361 --> 00:36:20,081
Speaker 1: attention so much so when he passed away and I

862
00:36:20,121 --> 00:36:21,881
Speaker 1: had his hard drive in his computer with all these

863
00:36:21,961 --> 00:36:24,761
Speaker 1: unseen videos he's never released, it's as if like he knew,

864
00:36:24,921 --> 00:36:27,281
Speaker 1: like something bad was going to happen, because I'm not

865
00:36:27,281 --> 00:36:29,441
Speaker 1: sure if you've seen any of the videos, is the Legacies,

866
00:36:29,521 --> 00:36:32,161
Speaker 1: is Revolution Genesis, all these like like there's like five

867
00:36:32,201 --> 00:36:34,441
Speaker 1: or six I made, releasing one every year on the

868
00:36:34,481 --> 00:36:37,441
Speaker 1: day of his birthday. Like it's as if he's talking,

869
00:36:37,481 --> 00:36:39,121
Speaker 1: like you know, something's gonna happen, like he's given a

870
00:36:39,201 --> 00:36:41,081
Speaker 1: speech to his people and everything, and it's just like

871
00:36:41,161 --> 00:36:43,681
Speaker 1: fucking intense. I'm watching it. I'm like, I have to

872
00:36:43,681 --> 00:36:45,601
Speaker 1: share this with the world. He would want, he want

873
00:36:45,601 --> 00:36:47,001
Speaker 1: me to share this with the world, So I would

874
00:36:47,081 --> 00:36:49,361
Speaker 1: make all these videos, and the one that I made

875
00:36:49,361 --> 00:36:51,041
Speaker 1: that was the biggest was his Legacy to got like

876
00:36:51,041 --> 00:36:54,601
Speaker 1: twenty five million views, and I'd release one every year,

877
00:36:54,881 --> 00:36:58,641
Speaker 1: and after about five six years, the content finished and

878
00:36:58,761 --> 00:37:00,361
Speaker 1: then I just after that, I'm like, all right, I

879
00:37:00,361 --> 00:37:01,841
Speaker 1: did as much as I could for my brother. Now

880
00:37:01,841 --> 00:37:03,761
Speaker 1: I have to live my life. I have to focus

881
00:37:03,801 --> 00:37:06,081
Speaker 1: on my life. And then that's when I went into

882
00:37:06,121 --> 00:37:10,241
Speaker 1: online coaching. I went into competitive bodybuilding, and I earned

883
00:37:10,281 --> 00:37:13,801
Speaker 1: my WFF Pro card back in twenty twenty one, and

884
00:37:13,841 --> 00:37:16,161
Speaker 1: now I'm chasing my IFBB Pro card. So i want

885
00:37:16,281 --> 00:37:19,401
Speaker 1: two pro cards, two federations, double champ champ status and

886
00:37:19,521 --> 00:37:22,721
Speaker 1: just doing like multiple businesses online social media, and that's

887
00:37:22,761 --> 00:37:25,241
Speaker 1: my gig, you know, so very similar to what he

888
00:37:25,361 --> 00:37:27,921
Speaker 1: was doing. I'm just living the life that he probably

889
00:37:27,961 --> 00:37:29,881
Speaker 1: would have been living, but also doing my own thing

890
00:37:30,121 --> 00:37:32,401
Speaker 1: with a competitive body building so it's really nice like

891
00:37:32,441 --> 00:37:35,321
Speaker 1: I'm living out his legacy and I'm also riting my

892
00:37:35,401 --> 00:37:37,601
Speaker 1: own with the competitive body building and all the other

893
00:37:37,681 --> 00:37:40,401
Speaker 1: ventures that I'm doing, also with the documentary that's coming

894
00:37:40,481 --> 00:37:42,921
Speaker 1: up on the Life of Me and as that's another

895
00:37:42,921 --> 00:37:46,601
Speaker 1: way I keep his legacy alive. And yeah, just constantly

896
00:37:46,641 --> 00:37:49,001
Speaker 1: speaking of him, mentioning him him, and just living my

897
00:37:49,081 --> 00:37:51,561
Speaker 1: life through his shoes and my shoes. You know, we

898
00:37:51,641 --> 00:37:54,041
Speaker 1: are the double dragons of aesthetics, my friend. You know

899
00:37:54,121 --> 00:37:56,401
Speaker 1: you one can't exist without the other. I would be

900
00:37:56,561 --> 00:37:59,881
Speaker 1: nothing without him, and he would have not gone as

901
00:38:00,161 --> 00:38:02,521
Speaker 1: popular as he did without me. We both needed each

902
00:38:02,521 --> 00:38:04,921
Speaker 1: other for this movement to happen and for millions of

903
00:38:05,121 --> 00:38:07,521
Speaker 1: others to be inspired along the way, and that's the

904
00:38:07,521 --> 00:38:08,161
Speaker 1: beauty of it All.

905
00:38:08,441 --> 00:38:11,761
Speaker 3: Parents about it like they you know how they coping

906
00:38:11,801 --> 00:38:15,521
Speaker 3: with everything. Still it still goes like his name still

907
00:38:15,561 --> 00:38:17,201
Speaker 3: goes on, so you know what I mean? Did they

908
00:38:17,241 --> 00:38:18,721
Speaker 3: think that he was going to hit this kind of

909
00:38:18,721 --> 00:38:20,121
Speaker 3: fame after he passed away?

910
00:38:22,401 --> 00:38:25,641
Speaker 1: This is where it gets a little bit sad. My

911
00:38:25,721 --> 00:38:28,241
Speaker 1: parents don't really speak of him too much. They're super

912
00:38:28,241 --> 00:38:31,321
Speaker 1: strict old school wogs. Wow, So they don't really It's

913
00:38:31,321 --> 00:38:32,361
Speaker 1: like the elephant in the room.

914
00:38:32,401 --> 00:38:34,201
Speaker 3: Were just so it's like it's just that's it. It's

915
00:38:34,201 --> 00:38:35,561
Speaker 3: a topic he does don't talk about.

916
00:38:35,721 --> 00:38:38,081
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they grieve like that, whereas I like to

917
00:38:38,161 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: grieve by speaking about it, by you know, doing things

918
00:38:41,001 --> 00:38:42,641
Speaker 1: that he would have liked to do, and by feeling

919
00:38:42,721 --> 00:38:45,201
Speaker 1: him in the moment. I a grieve like that. Yeah,

920
00:38:45,361 --> 00:38:47,481
Speaker 1: they agrieve because they in the ways where they just

921
00:38:47,761 --> 00:38:49,081
Speaker 1: don't speak about him at all.

922
00:38:49,281 --> 00:38:51,081
Speaker 3: Does that mean like photos have gone down in the

923
00:38:51,121 --> 00:38:53,801
Speaker 3: house and everything goes like that? Yeah that insane?

924
00:38:53,881 --> 00:38:56,881
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, and wo my mom hasn't watched any

925
00:38:56,961 --> 00:39:01,561
Speaker 1: of as his videos ever. She was very she wasn't

926
00:39:01,681 --> 00:39:07,041
Speaker 1: very supportive of his lifestyle or his bodybuilding endeavors and

927
00:39:07,521 --> 00:39:10,321
Speaker 1: social media career, like she doesn't care much for it.

928
00:39:10,401 --> 00:39:13,241
Speaker 1: She doesn't even watch my stuff at all, my podcasts much.

929
00:39:13,441 --> 00:39:16,241
Speaker 3: She doesn't come to you any of it, Like what

930
00:39:16,321 --> 00:39:18,481
Speaker 3: a building events like that, she didn't even know I

931
00:39:18,521 --> 00:39:20,161
Speaker 3: had a bodybuilding show two three months ago.

932
00:39:20,601 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: I had to hide it. It's very intense. It's very sad.

933
00:39:24,001 --> 00:39:26,601
Speaker 1: It's very sad. They wanted me and my brother to

934
00:39:26,641 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: be doctors, lawyers, but we became two bodybuilders. My parents

935
00:39:29,521 --> 00:39:31,801
Speaker 1: are so proper traditional their kids.

936
00:39:31,841 --> 00:39:32,041
Speaker 3: Man.

937
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:33,681
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's tough.

938
00:39:33,761 --> 00:39:35,801
Speaker 3: See, that's that's just like it's tough I know to

939
00:39:35,881 --> 00:39:38,561
Speaker 3: my mother in sixteen years because she didn't agree with

940
00:39:38,561 --> 00:39:39,001
Speaker 3: what I did.

941
00:39:39,441 --> 00:39:42,841
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we speak, but you know, it's very one dimensional,

942
00:39:42,961 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: very it's very awkward. I'm always hiding who I am.

943
00:39:46,401 --> 00:39:49,001
Speaker 1: I never speak of anything that I do. She just

944
00:39:49,041 --> 00:39:51,441
Speaker 1: pretends I'm some normal guy and then as was just

945
00:39:51,481 --> 00:39:54,721
Speaker 1: some normal guy when yeah, it's just really sad. Wow, Bro,

946
00:39:54,761 --> 00:39:56,641
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah, it is what it is. Bro.

947
00:39:56,681 --> 00:39:59,321
Speaker 1: I'm a grown man. You know, you can't choose your parents,

948
00:39:59,361 --> 00:40:01,681
Speaker 1: and you can't choose what they like, what they said, Paul,

949
00:40:01,761 --> 00:40:03,841
Speaker 1: All I know is that when I have children, no

950
00:40:03,881 --> 00:40:05,801
Speaker 1: matter what they fucking do, I will be the one

951
00:40:05,881 --> 00:40:07,921
Speaker 1: hundred percent to support them. I'll be present and I'll

952
00:40:07,961 --> 00:40:10,841
Speaker 1: be like so supportive and so invested in their life

953
00:40:10,841 --> 00:40:13,241
Speaker 1: and so invested in what they do. As I'm sure

954
00:40:13,281 --> 00:40:15,081
Speaker 1: you are, like you just mentioned, because you said you

955
00:40:15,081 --> 00:40:17,361
Speaker 1: don't have a relationship with your mother, I bet you're

956
00:40:17,401 --> 00:40:19,361
Speaker 1: like such a good father to your kids. I can

957
00:40:19,441 --> 00:40:21,721
Speaker 1: see it. I can feel it for every brother exactly.

958
00:40:22,081 --> 00:40:24,641
Speaker 1: You know you would want to do everything that your

959
00:40:24,641 --> 00:40:26,841
Speaker 1: mother couldn't have done for you, but as a man

960
00:40:26,921 --> 00:40:29,041
Speaker 1: for your kids. You know, it's the same with me.

961
00:40:29,161 --> 00:40:31,401
Speaker 1: I love my parents. They're amazing. They gave me and

962
00:40:31,441 --> 00:40:34,121
Speaker 1: as a good life they provided and they gave us

963
00:40:34,161 --> 00:40:36,361
Speaker 1: a comfortable home and it was always fit on the table.

964
00:40:36,361 --> 00:40:39,041
Speaker 1: They were amazing parents, very hard working. But they just

965
00:40:39,121 --> 00:40:42,921
Speaker 1: couldn't connect and agree with what we're doing ever, and

966
00:40:42,961 --> 00:40:44,201
Speaker 1: they just didn't want to be a part of it.

967
00:40:44,241 --> 00:40:47,241
Speaker 1: Didn't want to see it, didn't want to watch the videos. Nothing,

968
00:40:47,801 --> 00:40:50,001
Speaker 1: just we don't want to know about it. To us,

969
00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:53,481
Speaker 1: you just say it and as is yeah, so even now,

970
00:40:53,521 --> 00:40:55,681
Speaker 1: like they won't watching any of my videos. Do they

971
00:40:55,721 --> 00:40:58,001
Speaker 1: go to his grave site anytime?

972
00:40:58,241 --> 00:40:58,401
Speaker 3: Oh?

973
00:40:58,441 --> 00:41:01,401
Speaker 1: No, they do. Yeah, they'll go to his grave site

974
00:41:01,721 --> 00:41:04,681
Speaker 1: quite often, way more than I do these days. But

975
00:41:04,721 --> 00:41:08,081
Speaker 1: they just won't ever watch his videos. They just don't

976
00:41:08,081 --> 00:41:09,761
Speaker 1: want to. Even when he was around, they wouldn't watch

977
00:41:09,761 --> 00:41:12,281
Speaker 1: his videos and his death, they won't watch his videos

978
00:41:12,281 --> 00:41:14,761
Speaker 1: at all. And they don't watch my videos or my

979
00:41:14,881 --> 00:41:18,881
Speaker 1: podcasts or my YouTube stuff, nothing. Nothing. I don't know.

980
00:41:18,921 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: It's really weird. I don't understand that personally. I think

981
00:41:22,361 --> 00:41:23,921
Speaker 1: I don't know your guests is as good as mine. Bro.

982
00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:26,481
Speaker 1: You know, old school, super old school work parents that

983
00:41:26,721 --> 00:41:29,721
Speaker 1: just have like a very a very narrow minded way

984
00:41:29,721 --> 00:41:30,161
Speaker 1: of thinking.

985
00:41:30,281 --> 00:41:32,801
Speaker 3: It's their way of blocking it out that he has passed.

986
00:41:33,281 --> 00:41:34,961
Speaker 1: Perhaps they don't want to know about it. And the

987
00:41:35,001 --> 00:41:36,921
Speaker 1: thing is like when they see me, they see him,

988
00:41:37,441 --> 00:41:38,841
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So they just don't want

989
00:41:38,881 --> 00:41:40,761
Speaker 1: to watch my shit because it reminds them of him,

990
00:41:40,761 --> 00:41:44,201
Speaker 1: and we're very similar. So it's like, well, fuck, you know,

991
00:41:44,641 --> 00:41:46,561
Speaker 1: every time I see like saying, I think of his

992
00:41:46,761 --> 00:41:49,601
Speaker 1: is and it's like so they just choose to block

993
00:41:49,641 --> 00:41:54,641
Speaker 1: it out completely. Yeah man, Yeah, but it's given me

994
00:41:55,521 --> 00:41:57,161
Speaker 1: a chip on my shoulder, which has made me work

995
00:41:57,201 --> 00:41:59,321
Speaker 1: hard to be successful. Like, it's made me work fucking

996
00:41:59,361 --> 00:42:01,961
Speaker 1: hard because I'm always like, oh, fucking show them. They

997
00:42:01,961 --> 00:42:04,721
Speaker 1: think bodybuilders can't make money and be successful, I'll show them.

998
00:42:04,761 --> 00:42:07,841
Speaker 1: And then it's it's this chip on my shoulders what's

999
00:42:07,841 --> 00:42:10,321
Speaker 1: made me become successful. I've worked so fucking hard to

1000
00:42:10,481 --> 00:42:12,281
Speaker 1: just get the approval of my mind.

1001
00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:14,481
Speaker 3: Like as you said at the start of the interview,

1002
00:42:14,481 --> 00:42:17,281
Speaker 3: that you don't have any family members here, but you

1003
00:42:17,361 --> 00:42:18,641
Speaker 3: had your brother and your parents.

1004
00:42:18,801 --> 00:42:19,761
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it, bro.

1005
00:42:20,041 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: And when you now you've lost your brother and now

1006
00:42:22,521 --> 00:42:24,801
Speaker 3: it's like you haven't even got your parents to like

1007
00:42:24,921 --> 00:42:25,961
Speaker 3: watch you and see what.

1008
00:42:26,041 --> 00:42:28,801
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I'm very lucky. I have

1009
00:42:28,801 --> 00:42:32,601
Speaker 1: my girlfriend though she's super supportive. She's also lost her

1010
00:42:32,641 --> 00:42:35,641
Speaker 1: sister when her sister was twenty two years of age,

1011
00:42:35,681 --> 00:42:37,601
Speaker 1: so we have a lot in common and she's been

1012
00:42:37,681 --> 00:42:40,921
Speaker 1: like my number one supporter. She's been amazed and towards

1013
00:42:40,961 --> 00:42:43,281
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Very supportive. Yeah. Her dad's like super

1014
00:42:43,281 --> 00:42:45,161
Speaker 1: proud of what I do. I was amazed by it.

1015
00:42:45,241 --> 00:42:47,601
Speaker 1: He's like, this is incredible. It's like my son in

1016
00:42:47,681 --> 00:42:49,961
Speaker 1: law is like fucking famous, is a famous bodyboard that

1017
00:42:50,001 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: compete so cool, Like check out my son in laws.

1018
00:42:53,001 --> 00:42:55,721
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, as it should be. But yeah,

1019
00:42:55,721 --> 00:42:58,641
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I respect my parents for how

1020
00:42:58,681 --> 00:43:01,081
Speaker 1: they think and feel. It's you can't change someone and

1021
00:43:01,121 --> 00:43:03,321
Speaker 1: expect them to be a different person. Yeah, And you

1022
00:43:03,321 --> 00:43:05,601
Speaker 1: know I'm at that level, like I'm a grown man.

1023
00:43:05,761 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't need that kind of attention and approval like that. Yeah, brother,

1024
00:43:10,601 --> 00:43:13,481
Speaker 1: yeah it does. And I do have a feeling that

1025
00:43:14,001 --> 00:43:16,241
Speaker 1: one day they might regret it, but you know that's

1026
00:43:16,281 --> 00:43:20,201
Speaker 1: their journey to go through. I'm too busy living mind.

1027
00:43:20,601 --> 00:43:22,441
Speaker 3: Do you think he brought out any regrets before he

1028
00:43:22,441 --> 00:43:25,001
Speaker 3: passed away, like it was any you know?

1029
00:43:25,601 --> 00:43:29,721
Speaker 1: Of course I think so. Yeah, Like everyone has regrets.

1030
00:43:29,721 --> 00:43:32,521
Speaker 1: I think he probably regretted lots of things. I think.

1031
00:43:32,601 --> 00:43:35,521
Speaker 1: Do you have any regrets from when I was younger.

1032
00:43:35,521 --> 00:43:37,801
Speaker 3: Anything that bothers you in life that you wish you'd

1033
00:43:37,801 --> 00:43:38,841
Speaker 3: never done, any could have changed?

1034
00:43:39,201 --> 00:43:41,961
Speaker 1: Plenty of regrets? Yeah, yeah, plenty of regrets. I know

1035
00:43:42,001 --> 00:43:43,721
Speaker 1: a lot of people sit there and try to be

1036
00:43:43,761 --> 00:43:45,801
Speaker 1: all stoic and be like, oh no, everything I've done

1037
00:43:45,801 --> 00:43:47,881
Speaker 1: in life is all with purpose and this and that,

1038
00:43:48,001 --> 00:43:50,881
Speaker 1: But I think that's bullshit. Yeah, you know I could

1039
00:43:50,881 --> 00:43:52,961
Speaker 1: have done more this less of that. I consider and

1040
00:43:53,041 --> 00:43:55,761
Speaker 1: tell you stories for days and days. You know I

1041
00:43:55,801 --> 00:43:58,121
Speaker 1: could have what you've learned from him. Yeah, that's it,

1042
00:43:58,161 --> 00:44:00,361
Speaker 1: bro like, And we're going to keep making mistakes along

1043
00:44:00,401 --> 00:44:02,481
Speaker 1: the way. That's the journey called life. Brother, you know

1044
00:44:02,561 --> 00:44:05,641
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna keep happening. We're gonna kee sucking up,

1045
00:44:05,881 --> 00:44:08,361
Speaker 1: but then we keep learning. You know, even as as now,

1046
00:44:08,441 --> 00:44:11,321
Speaker 1: like you're a parent, you never get it right. You're

1047
00:44:11,321 --> 00:44:13,361
Speaker 1: always gonna learn along the way. The most important thing

1048
00:44:13,401 --> 00:44:15,561
Speaker 1: is that you're learning and you're evolving and you're getting better.

1049
00:44:15,641 --> 00:44:18,441
Speaker 1: You don't make the same mistakes. Do I regrets? Fuck? You?

1050
00:44:19,441 --> 00:44:23,841
Speaker 1: Would I change anything going back in time knowing these regrets. No,

1051
00:44:24,121 --> 00:44:27,201
Speaker 1: I wouldn't change the fucking thing. Everything happened for a reason,

1052
00:44:27,241 --> 00:44:29,441
Speaker 1: and everything happened for me to become the man I

1053
00:44:29,481 --> 00:44:33,241
Speaker 1: am today. And you know, if I would have done

1054
00:44:33,241 --> 00:44:35,281
Speaker 1: it any differently, who knows where I would have ended up.

1055
00:44:35,441 --> 00:44:37,841
Speaker 3: To be honest, When he went to talent, you did

1056
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:39,241
Speaker 3: you know he was You did know where he was

1057
00:44:39,281 --> 00:44:39,921
Speaker 3: going to, didn't I.

1058
00:44:39,961 --> 00:44:41,761
Speaker 1: Knew he was going? Yeah, I just didn't know he

1059
00:44:41,801 --> 00:44:43,521
Speaker 1: was going on his own? Did you see him before

1060
00:44:43,521 --> 00:44:45,201
Speaker 1: you end? How many days before did you see him

1061
00:44:45,241 --> 00:44:49,841
Speaker 1: before you went? Jeezus, like fifteen years ago now, the

1062
00:44:49,921 --> 00:44:53,121
Speaker 1: day probably like the day before, yeah, and the day

1063
00:44:53,121 --> 00:44:54,961
Speaker 1: before the morning of. Do you ever think that you

1064
00:44:55,001 --> 00:44:56,881
Speaker 1: wish that he had asked you to go or something

1065
00:44:56,921 --> 00:44:58,801
Speaker 1: like that, I mean, of course, yeah, I mean those

1066
00:44:58,801 --> 00:45:00,721
Speaker 1: thoughts will naturally pop up in your mind, like I

1067
00:45:00,721 --> 00:45:04,121
Speaker 1: wish he didn't go, wish she fucking went somewhere else,

1068
00:45:04,201 --> 00:45:07,081
Speaker 1: wish he never went a like yeah, yeah, of course, yeah,

1069
00:45:07,121 --> 00:45:10,001
Speaker 1: of course, so I would wish that for him. But

1070
00:45:10,041 --> 00:45:13,281
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately, he was his own man, and he

1071
00:45:13,321 --> 00:45:15,921
Speaker 1: made his own choices and did his own things. But yeah,

1072
00:45:15,961 --> 00:45:17,961
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I wish he never went. I

1073
00:45:17,961 --> 00:45:21,481
Speaker 1: wish he did things differently, should or would have could have.

1074
00:45:21,521 --> 00:45:23,281
Speaker 1: We could sit here and talk about all this stuff

1075
00:45:23,321 --> 00:45:25,401
Speaker 1: by the end of the day, you know, like everyone's

1076
00:45:25,921 --> 00:45:29,121
Speaker 1: responsible for their own decisions. And I mean I think

1077
00:45:29,161 --> 00:45:31,641
Speaker 1: he would have also did things differently if he had

1078
00:45:31,681 --> 00:45:33,881
Speaker 1: a second chance at life, for sure, Yeah, for sure,

1079
00:45:33,881 --> 00:45:35,841
Speaker 1: he would have did things differently, approached life a little

1080
00:45:35,841 --> 00:45:39,601
Speaker 1: bit more cautiously, with a little bit more respect towards life.

1081
00:45:39,801 --> 00:45:42,321
Speaker 1: And yeah, because life is so fragile man, and not

1082
00:45:42,401 --> 00:45:44,641
Speaker 1: just like this is like I've I've seen people around

1083
00:45:44,681 --> 00:45:48,201
Speaker 1: me like I've lost friends, I've lost family, you know,

1084
00:45:48,201 --> 00:45:50,681
Speaker 1: I've known people that have died from like murtorbike accidents

1085
00:45:50,721 --> 00:45:53,521
Speaker 1: and all sorts of shit. Bro. Life is so fragile, bro,

1086
00:45:54,041 --> 00:45:56,081
Speaker 1: and we just have to respect it. Well, I realize

1087
00:45:56,121 --> 00:45:59,321
Speaker 1: that now we're being older, how our short life is. Yeah,

1088
00:45:59,521 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm seeing now like you know, like even just like fuck,

1089
00:46:02,521 --> 00:46:06,081
Speaker 1: I was just talking about whul Cogan before, like childhood heroes. Bro's, ohh,

1090
00:46:06,321 --> 00:46:10,201
Speaker 1: I'm at the age now where childhood heroes. It's like

1091
00:46:10,241 --> 00:46:12,441
Speaker 1: it's going to get to a level where there's no

1092
00:46:12,521 --> 00:46:14,081
Speaker 1: stars around that I used to look up to. It's

1093
00:46:14,121 --> 00:46:16,281
Speaker 1: all these fucking new kids and like, oh shit, I'm

1094
00:46:16,281 --> 00:46:18,241
Speaker 1: like I'm getting to that level now. So it's kind

1095
00:46:18,281 --> 00:46:20,521
Speaker 1: of scary. How long do you reckon? You could? Damn.

1096
00:46:20,561 --> 00:46:22,801
Speaker 3: You're going to bodybuild for my whole life, brother, the

1097
00:46:22,881 --> 00:46:24,361
Speaker 3: whole life. I love bodybuilding.

1098
00:46:24,401 --> 00:46:27,881
Speaker 1: Bro. I'm not stopping anytime soon. Bro. Like I'm thirty nine,

1099
00:46:27,921 --> 00:46:30,201
Speaker 1: I turn forty next year. I'm going to be competing

1100
00:46:30,201 --> 00:46:32,441
Speaker 1: as a forty year old. I'll be doing like you know,

1101
00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:34,201
Speaker 1: if I get my pro card and IFPB, I'll give

1102
00:46:34,201 --> 00:46:35,761
Speaker 1: myself maybe one or two years till I get it.

1103
00:46:36,081 --> 00:46:38,161
Speaker 1: I might do Master's Olympia if I make it there

1104
00:46:38,201 --> 00:46:41,481
Speaker 1: one day. Who knows, Bro, Like I love bodybuilding. If

1105
00:46:41,521 --> 00:46:44,081
Speaker 1: I don't compete, I'll definitely still keep bodybuilding for the

1106
00:46:44,081 --> 00:46:47,001
Speaker 1: rest of my life, not just for the physicality of

1107
00:46:47,001 --> 00:46:48,881
Speaker 1: it all, but more than mindset. Bro. And it makes

1108
00:46:48,881 --> 00:46:52,121
Speaker 1: me feel good, like it helps with my like you know,

1109
00:46:52,201 --> 00:46:55,281
Speaker 1: with my ruminating thoughts and my anxiety. It just makes

1110
00:46:55,281 --> 00:46:56,881
Speaker 1: you feel good. You know when your training is like

1111
00:46:56,881 --> 00:46:59,201
Speaker 1: your escape, Bro, It's like my escape from life. Jim

1112
00:46:59,601 --> 00:47:02,921
Speaker 1: My fucking Mecca. Bro. Like, without jim I crumble. I

1113
00:47:02,961 --> 00:47:05,561
Speaker 1: don't even need to fucking train hard. I just need

1114
00:47:05,601 --> 00:47:08,281
Speaker 1: to train. I need movement in my life. I love exercise.

1115
00:47:08,321 --> 00:47:11,001
Speaker 1: I love I go snowboarding every season. I play soccer,

1116
00:47:11,001 --> 00:47:14,281
Speaker 1: I play tennis, I bodybuild. I love being physically active. Bro,

1117
00:47:14,401 --> 00:47:16,401
Speaker 1: you take that away from me, I'll fucking kill myself.

1118
00:47:16,841 --> 00:47:19,161
Speaker 1: So will I keep bodybuilding for the rest of my life? Yeah?

1119
00:47:19,161 --> 00:47:21,601
Speaker 1: Fucking other, Well, we might be doing a podcast in

1120
00:47:21,641 --> 00:47:24,081
Speaker 1: ten this time. I'll be fifty years old, bro, with

1121
00:47:24,081 --> 00:47:27,641
Speaker 1: a long gray beard, like fucking jacked all shit. But

1122
00:47:27,681 --> 00:47:28,921
Speaker 1: I'm never stopping bodybuilding.

1123
00:47:28,921 --> 00:47:31,641
Speaker 3: Bro. We spoke, we spoken, we spoke off after before.

1124
00:47:31,721 --> 00:47:34,561
Speaker 3: I mean, let me ask you, would you stop bodybuilding now?

1125
00:47:34,961 --> 00:47:36,881
Speaker 3: So you see, you know, it keeps me young, It

1126
00:47:36,921 --> 00:47:38,761
Speaker 3: keeps me, and it keeps me at a level where

1127
00:47:38,961 --> 00:47:40,521
Speaker 3: if I didn't, if I didn't go to the gym

1128
00:47:40,561 --> 00:47:41,281
Speaker 3: and do what I.

1129
00:47:41,241 --> 00:47:45,041
Speaker 1: Did, I wouldn't be here. You'd be old, don't You're

1130
00:47:45,721 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: you're young. Bro. I look at you and I see

1131
00:47:47,521 --> 00:47:49,081
Speaker 1: like a forty year old dude, you know what I mean?

1132
00:47:49,601 --> 00:47:52,561
Speaker 1: Like I'm forty. People think I'm fucking dirty. Like fitness

1133
00:47:52,761 --> 00:47:56,361
Speaker 1: is like the cure for like youth. Bro. So many

1134
00:47:56,401 --> 00:47:58,641
Speaker 1: people don't train, They don't train hard enough, Like they

1135
00:47:58,641 --> 00:48:00,921
Speaker 1: don't understand their training is not just about looking good.

1136
00:48:00,961 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, your bones become stronger, your mind

1137
00:48:03,601 --> 00:48:05,801
Speaker 1: is stronger, Like you want to be able to fucking

1138
00:48:05,801 --> 00:48:08,841
Speaker 1: play with your kids, bro, and your grandkids when you're fifty, sixty, seventy.

1139
00:48:08,961 --> 00:48:11,761
Speaker 1: Like you know, I look at my parents and they

1140
00:48:11,881 --> 00:48:14,401
Speaker 1: didn't exercise their whole life, you know, like, and they're

1141
00:48:14,521 --> 00:48:17,201
Speaker 1: very like unhealthy. And I'm just like I'm going to

1142
00:48:17,241 --> 00:48:18,841
Speaker 1: be seventy one day and I'm going to be super healthy.

1143
00:48:18,881 --> 00:48:20,361
Speaker 1: Still do to pull up and chin ups running on

1144
00:48:20,401 --> 00:48:22,361
Speaker 1: the bench. Bro, I'll be like Arnold, Bro, I'm telling you,

1145
00:48:22,761 --> 00:48:24,721
Speaker 1: and that's what life's about. Bro. You want to stay

1146
00:48:24,761 --> 00:48:28,081
Speaker 1: young and fit as long as you can and be healthy. Wow,

1147
00:48:28,241 --> 00:48:31,841
Speaker 1: you know before we will finish all this like, it's

1148
00:48:31,881 --> 00:48:34,001
Speaker 1: been a great podcast. Thank you for We're going to

1149
00:48:34,041 --> 00:48:37,041
Speaker 1: do around too many around too. It's been a pleasure.

1150
00:48:37,241 --> 00:48:40,161
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. The body failed we talked off

1151
00:48:40,201 --> 00:48:40,641
Speaker 1: are right?

1152
00:48:40,841 --> 00:48:43,081
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we like I said, I have dilemmas when

1153
00:48:43,081 --> 00:48:45,401
Speaker 3: I'm skinny, you know, like I feel like I'm skinny.

1154
00:48:45,401 --> 00:48:48,641
Speaker 1: But I know yeap, you get that too. Yeah, that

1155
00:48:48,761 --> 00:48:50,801
Speaker 1: my friend is called body the smallphia. I'll get that.

1156
00:48:50,881 --> 00:48:52,681
Speaker 1: I'll get that all the time. Man, I get that

1157
00:48:52,721 --> 00:48:55,841
Speaker 1: all the time. How do you get through that? What's

1158
00:48:55,841 --> 00:48:58,041
Speaker 1: the best way you would say you would get through that? Well?

1159
00:48:58,321 --> 00:49:00,961
Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's just like you said before.

1160
00:49:01,001 --> 00:49:05,001
Speaker 1: Once my shirts and my old shorts start feeling tight

1161
00:49:05,201 --> 00:49:07,561
Speaker 1: again and I can feel like they're a bit too

1162
00:49:07,601 --> 00:49:10,281
Speaker 1: small for me, I start feeling good and I normally,

1163
00:49:10,921 --> 00:49:13,041
Speaker 1: like I normally have like a weight that I like

1164
00:49:13,121 --> 00:49:16,841
Speaker 1: to be around. If I'm anything under that, I feel small.

1165
00:49:17,481 --> 00:49:20,281
Speaker 1: And if I'm overly balked too heavily. I also don't

1166
00:49:20,321 --> 00:49:22,201
Speaker 1: like that as well. My face gets fat, my neck

1167
00:49:22,201 --> 00:49:24,081
Speaker 1: gets fat, and shit, I fucking hate that too, bro.

1168
00:49:24,601 --> 00:49:26,361
Speaker 1: So it needs to be at a level where you

1169
00:49:26,481 --> 00:49:28,681
Speaker 1: just know. So it's hard to explain. You just you've

1170
00:49:28,681 --> 00:49:30,121
Speaker 1: got to be having a good streak in the gym

1171
00:49:30,161 --> 00:49:32,481
Speaker 1: for at least like about four or five six months

1172
00:49:32,801 --> 00:49:35,761
Speaker 1: and be super consistent and then like not missing any

1173
00:49:35,761 --> 00:49:37,881
Speaker 1: sessions this and that. Right now, I feel like shit

1174
00:49:38,001 --> 00:49:39,681
Speaker 1: because for the last three months, two or three months

1175
00:49:39,721 --> 00:49:42,361
Speaker 1: since my COMBA, I've only been training once a week,

1176
00:49:42,481 --> 00:49:44,441
Speaker 1: twice a week max for the last three months.

1177
00:49:45,001 --> 00:49:46,641
Speaker 3: Just sometimes when you're at the gym and you're not

1178
00:49:46,641 --> 00:49:49,321
Speaker 3: feeling it, you know you're being lazy, but you just

1179
00:49:49,801 --> 00:49:51,601
Speaker 3: but you're not pushing yourself. Sometimes I'll go to the

1180
00:49:51,601 --> 00:49:53,801
Speaker 3: gym and I go, I'm going, but I'm looking at that,

1181
00:49:53,841 --> 00:49:55,761
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the easiest weights because I'm just I'm

1182
00:49:55,761 --> 00:49:56,921
Speaker 3: being a fucking lazy cunt.

1183
00:49:57,041 --> 00:49:58,601
Speaker 1: But I know I can go. I know it should

1184
00:49:58,601 --> 00:50:00,481
Speaker 1: be bused. Is is that when you're already in a

1185
00:50:00,521 --> 00:50:02,481
Speaker 1: period of pushing yourself hard, or is that when you're

1186
00:50:02,561 --> 00:50:04,361
Speaker 1: kind of like on and off, on and off. When

1187
00:50:04,361 --> 00:50:06,241
Speaker 1: I'm gone, I've got I reckon, I've gone stale, you

1188
00:50:06,281 --> 00:50:08,281
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, Well, when you go stell,

1189
00:50:08,401 --> 00:50:10,401
Speaker 1: this is the problem, bro, When you go stell, it's

1190
00:50:10,401 --> 00:50:12,321
Speaker 1: so hard to get back on that fucking steam train.

1191
00:50:12,841 --> 00:50:14,801
Speaker 1: So the trick is to never get off the steam train.

1192
00:50:15,161 --> 00:50:16,881
Speaker 1: And when you're on that steam train, if you do

1193
00:50:16,921 --> 00:50:19,201
Speaker 1: a comp you fucking fall off that steam train because

1194
00:50:19,201 --> 00:50:22,081
Speaker 1: you've been doing it so hard, you go the adverse effects.

1195
00:50:22,121 --> 00:50:24,441
Speaker 1: So the trick is just to always stay at a

1196
00:50:24,481 --> 00:50:26,681
Speaker 1: consistent level. And I was always at a consistence. It's

1197
00:50:26,721 --> 00:50:29,561
Speaker 1: only until I started competing really hard in the last

1198
00:50:29,601 --> 00:50:32,321
Speaker 1: three or four years that I would need big breaks

1199
00:50:32,401 --> 00:50:34,521
Speaker 1: after competing for like one month two months just to

1200
00:50:34,641 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: like center myself and ground myself before going full steam

1201
00:50:37,961 --> 00:50:42,681
Speaker 1: ahead again. Because brow's bodybelding to such a fucking elite level.

1202
00:50:42,721 --> 00:50:42,841
Speaker 3: Bro.

1203
00:50:43,361 --> 00:50:45,921
Speaker 1: And I'm like talking like coaches for like leg day

1204
00:50:45,961 --> 00:50:48,801
Speaker 1: and back day I was getting trained, you know. Jimmy Sadek,

1205
00:50:48,881 --> 00:50:51,761
Speaker 1: big big boy, Jimmy was training me for legs for

1206
00:50:51,841 --> 00:50:55,041
Speaker 1: like three years straight, and like from being scared of

1207
00:50:55,121 --> 00:50:58,481
Speaker 1: training legs that hard to fucking loving it. And then

1208
00:50:58,521 --> 00:51:00,161
Speaker 1: I'll tell him, I'm like, train me hard to cut

1209
00:51:00,321 --> 00:51:02,481
Speaker 1: this is nothing. I'm like, I want to be fucking

1210
00:51:02,561 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: crying when I walk out every crawling on my hands

1211
00:51:04,481 --> 00:51:07,081
Speaker 1: and knees. And then like I'd ask him to read

1212
00:51:07,121 --> 00:51:08,841
Speaker 1: the sessions at the end of every workout, go on

1213
00:51:08,881 --> 00:51:10,961
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Static scale. What was that one out of ten?

1214
00:51:11,041 --> 00:51:13,441
Speaker 1: Tell me brother, He's like, that was probably like an eight. Bro.

1215
00:51:13,521 --> 00:51:16,001
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, you say I did an eight out ten?

1216
00:51:16,121 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: Make workout according to you goes you did pretty fucking good.

1217
00:51:18,521 --> 00:51:21,001
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck yeah, and like I just yeah, you

1218
00:51:21,201 --> 00:51:24,561
Speaker 1: just you need benchmarks, you need goals when you start

1219
00:51:24,601 --> 00:51:26,721
Speaker 1: losing the motivation. It's good to have a trainer, It's

1220
00:51:26,761 --> 00:51:28,921
Speaker 1: good to have a coach. These are things that I

1221
00:51:29,041 --> 00:51:31,561
Speaker 1: have always in line for me to kickstart me and

1222
00:51:31,641 --> 00:51:33,601
Speaker 1: get me back on the straight and narrow and training

1223
00:51:33,681 --> 00:51:36,401
Speaker 1: hard and staying on the grind. I'd be lying if

1224
00:51:36,441 --> 00:51:38,361
Speaker 1: I said I have moments of like just being a

1225
00:51:38,441 --> 00:51:40,321
Speaker 1: lazy kind of gym That only time that happens to

1226
00:51:40,321 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: me is after comp for like maybe one, two, three months.

1227
00:51:43,041 --> 00:51:44,961
Speaker 1: I'm like a little bit like while I'm trying to

1228
00:51:44,961 --> 00:51:47,161
Speaker 1: pick up my speed again, but once I'm at a

1229
00:51:47,201 --> 00:51:49,121
Speaker 1: good rhythm. I never have days like that. If I

1230
00:51:49,161 --> 00:51:51,601
Speaker 1: don't have a hard gym session, I feel like shit.

1231
00:51:52,041 --> 00:51:53,441
Speaker 1: So I need to have a hard gym session to

1232
00:51:53,481 --> 00:51:55,641
Speaker 1: walk out feeling good about myself. I can't go in

1233
00:51:55,681 --> 00:51:57,481
Speaker 1: there giving fifty percent or thirty percent. I might as

1234
00:51:57,481 --> 00:51:59,841
Speaker 1: well not fucking go. Yeah. So when I'm at that level,

1235
00:51:59,921 --> 00:52:02,161
Speaker 1: I have to be training hard, and I have to

1236
00:52:02,281 --> 00:52:05,041
Speaker 1: be doing it every day, four or five days a week. Minute.

1237
00:52:05,801 --> 00:52:07,561
Speaker 1: And it's very easy to stay like that when you're

1238
00:52:07,561 --> 00:52:09,921
Speaker 1: already at that momentum. It's when you lose that momentum

1239
00:52:10,281 --> 00:52:12,801
Speaker 1: that you get in periods of mindset like you just mentioned,

1240
00:52:12,841 --> 00:52:14,521
Speaker 1: where you just might have a lazy day and you

1241
00:52:14,601 --> 00:52:16,801
Speaker 1: have a good day and a lazy day. If you

1242
00:52:16,881 --> 00:52:19,281
Speaker 1: don't have any periods of like that and.

1243
00:52:19,281 --> 00:52:21,921
Speaker 3: You're on, I'll go and pick up the fifteen to

1244
00:52:21,961 --> 00:52:24,001
Speaker 3: do arm kills instead of picking up the thirties, and

1245
00:52:24,081 --> 00:52:24,961
Speaker 3: I usually do thirties.

1246
00:52:25,081 --> 00:52:27,921
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for me, I mean, I'm not you, bro,

1247
00:52:28,041 --> 00:52:30,121
Speaker 1: so I can't say for you, but for me, I know,

1248
00:52:30,161 --> 00:52:32,641
Speaker 1: if I was training in a home gym and I

1249
00:52:32,721 --> 00:52:34,761
Speaker 1: didn't have like a comp to look forward to, or

1250
00:52:34,801 --> 00:52:37,121
Speaker 1: if I didn't have a coach or a personal trainer,

1251
00:52:37,721 --> 00:52:39,321
Speaker 1: even like I only have a PT for once a

1252
00:52:39,361 --> 00:52:40,081
Speaker 1: week just for lazy.

1253
00:52:40,121 --> 00:52:40,241
Speaker 3: You know.

1254
00:52:40,521 --> 00:52:42,241
Speaker 1: If I didn't have one of those things or all

1255
00:52:42,321 --> 00:52:44,201
Speaker 1: of those things, I know, like I'm not going to

1256
00:52:44,241 --> 00:52:47,201
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent on my game, you know what

1257
00:52:47,241 --> 00:52:49,321
Speaker 1: I mean. So I need to have either all of

1258
00:52:49,481 --> 00:52:52,721
Speaker 1: those things to kind of like fully flourish. And also

1259
00:52:52,881 --> 00:52:54,401
Speaker 1: I need to be in a good gym and a

1260
00:52:54,481 --> 00:52:57,401
Speaker 1: good ambience with other big boys around, like just to

1261
00:52:57,481 --> 00:52:59,001
Speaker 1: fucking feel like I want to train hard, you know,

1262
00:52:59,161 --> 00:53:01,401
Speaker 1: So I personally couldn't do what you do, have a

1263
00:53:01,481 --> 00:53:03,801
Speaker 1: home gym and just train at the home gym all

1264
00:53:03,801 --> 00:53:06,561
Speaker 1: the time. My idea as I'm getting older, I would

1265
00:53:06,641 --> 00:53:08,521
Speaker 1: like to have a home gym. But that change it

1266
00:53:08,721 --> 00:53:11,041
Speaker 1: for some time, correct. I might train at the home

1267
00:53:11,121 --> 00:53:13,521
Speaker 1: gym once a week twice a week when I've got

1268
00:53:13,561 --> 00:53:14,921
Speaker 1: plans and I've got ship to do and i don't

1269
00:53:14,961 --> 00:53:17,081
Speaker 1: got time to be driving and fucking around talking to

1270
00:53:17,121 --> 00:53:20,601
Speaker 1: people and training and ship. But and then eighty percent

1271
00:53:20,641 --> 00:53:23,401
Speaker 1: of the time will be in the gym. So that's me, bro,

1272
00:53:23,521 --> 00:53:25,321
Speaker 1: I need to be in a good environment, good gym.

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Speaker 1: You need to train with people. No train on my own, bro,

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00:53:28,481 --> 00:53:31,001
Speaker 1: not like That's what I've usually done with people. Yeah,

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00:53:31,161 --> 00:53:34,361
Speaker 1: because without two to my own home, brow, not many

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Speaker 1: people can keep up with my level of endurance. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not the strongest guy. Like I'm really strong

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Speaker 1: on legs. I'm really fucking strong with legs upper body.

1279
00:53:43,721 --> 00:53:45,281
Speaker 1: I've got a bit of NIX and nex. So i

1280
00:53:45,361 --> 00:53:48,481
Speaker 1: still train really fucking hard, full stack most machines, heavyweights

1281
00:53:48,521 --> 00:53:51,081
Speaker 1: and this and that. But I'm very good on insurance, bro, Like,

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00:53:51,121 --> 00:53:53,161
Speaker 1: for like back, i will do something like twenty three

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00:53:53,201 --> 00:53:55,201
Speaker 1: sets on my back alone, you know what I mean.

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00:53:55,241 --> 00:53:57,161
Speaker 1: And not many people can keep up with my insurance

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00:53:57,161 --> 00:53:59,601
Speaker 1: and high reps. You know. I'll start by warming up

1286
00:53:59,641 --> 00:54:02,801
Speaker 1: my hamstrings by doing forty reps of fucking the hamstring curls,

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Speaker 1: just with a ten kilo weight each leg, just get

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00:54:05,441 --> 00:54:07,401
Speaker 1: the blood in there, and then I'll start my sets. Yeah,

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00:54:07,441 --> 00:54:09,001
Speaker 1: i might do like two sets like that, and then

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Speaker 1: I'll like load up like the hamstring curl machine with

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00:54:12,761 --> 00:54:16,401
Speaker 1: I'll put five ten kilo plates and I'll do them slowly. Bro,

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Speaker 1: My hammi's are like ridiculously strong. It's fucking weird, way

1293
00:54:19,441 --> 00:54:21,641
Speaker 1: stronger than my cords. So and not many people can

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00:54:21,721 --> 00:54:23,801
Speaker 1: keep up with that, even guys a lot bigger than

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00:54:23,841 --> 00:54:26,041
Speaker 1: we couldn't keep up with my workouts. So I just

1296
00:54:26,121 --> 00:54:27,841
Speaker 1: found that that's just put me off doing a session

1297
00:54:27,881 --> 00:54:30,681
Speaker 1: with you know, we have to Now that we've said it,

1298
00:54:30,761 --> 00:54:31,401
Speaker 1: we have to do it.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 1: You'll love it. Bro, You'll enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Like I I love training hard, it's just put to

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00:54:36,921 --> 00:54:40,121
Speaker 1: It's at a point where like, yeah, if if I

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00:54:40,201 --> 00:54:43,521
Speaker 1: can't have like a regular training pilon that keeps up

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00:54:43,561 --> 00:54:45,721
Speaker 1: with me and trains on my skeles, does my exercises,

1306
00:54:45,761 --> 00:54:48,121
Speaker 1: I've become a bit like a bit postal my training,

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00:54:48,361 --> 00:54:49,921
Speaker 1: then I don't want to train with you. But if

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00:54:49,961 --> 00:54:51,721
Speaker 1: we would have a one off session with a mate

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00:54:51,721 --> 00:54:53,801
Speaker 1: to train on, fuck yeah, of course I would. Would

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00:54:53,841 --> 00:54:55,161
Speaker 1: I do it every day? No, that'd be like a

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00:54:55,281 --> 00:54:57,121
Speaker 1: nightmare for me. Bro. I like to get in my zone,

1312
00:54:57,201 --> 00:55:01,841
Speaker 1: headphones in BC's creating, fucking just feeling good, feeling myself

1313
00:55:01,921 --> 00:55:04,521
Speaker 1: and just just just training fucking hard. Bro, you know

1314
00:55:04,561 --> 00:55:07,521
Speaker 1: what I mean. And you can't do that with someone

1315
00:55:07,641 --> 00:55:11,601
Speaker 1: unless they're at your level. And like, the only thing

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00:55:11,641 --> 00:55:14,401
Speaker 1: I can think of is like if I was living

1317
00:55:14,441 --> 00:55:16,841
Speaker 1: in a house with another bodybuilder and we were going

1318
00:55:16,881 --> 00:55:18,521
Speaker 1: at the same time doing the same workouts and the

1319
00:55:18,561 --> 00:55:22,561
Speaker 1: same exercises that that'ld be sick. But that's not realistic.

1320
00:55:22,641 --> 00:55:24,241
Speaker 1: You can't fucking think like that. If you want to

1321
00:55:24,281 --> 00:55:26,601
Speaker 1: just go train with one of your boys once a week,

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00:55:26,721 --> 00:55:28,601
Speaker 1: once once every daw and a bloomin, I'll do it

1323
00:55:28,721 --> 00:55:31,801
Speaker 1: for fun. But then I'll just take it easier. Unless

1324
00:55:31,801 --> 00:55:33,881
Speaker 1: they're a big boy like you. Then I'm gonna have

1325
00:55:33,921 --> 00:55:36,001
Speaker 1: to fucking try to put you through the ring of mate,

1326
00:55:36,001 --> 00:55:38,121
Speaker 1: because you're a lot bigger than I am. But I

1327
00:55:38,241 --> 00:55:40,401
Speaker 1: trained fucking hard, so I would have to show you

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00:55:40,481 --> 00:55:44,041
Speaker 1: what I'm up against, you know, So i'd have to

1329
00:55:44,081 --> 00:55:48,841
Speaker 1: get on the before. B I think you're under restorating yourself.

1330
00:55:49,881 --> 00:55:52,401
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm undressing myself. I don't know. But we'll definitely

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00:55:52,401 --> 00:55:54,881
Speaker 1: have a session, so we'll definitely do it. Before we go.

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00:55:55,761 --> 00:56:01,441
Speaker 1: Describe yourself in one or two words. I always love

1333
00:56:01,521 --> 00:56:08,921
Speaker 1: these ones. Two words sick hunt, nothing else. I can't

1334
00:56:08,961 --> 00:56:10,601
Speaker 1: think of anything else, Bro, I need to give you

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00:56:10,601 --> 00:56:13,881
Speaker 1: at least five words, ten words two words from cut

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00:56:13,961 --> 00:56:18,641
Speaker 1: it at that nice camera action you al bro, Thanks

1337
00:56:18,681 --> 00:56:21,001
Speaker 1: for coming on. It's been a pleasure for you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You know what it's been a good seeing

1339
00:56:23,401 --> 00:56:25,521
Speaker 1: you since I haven't seen you fifteen years. And for

1340
00:56:25,601 --> 00:56:27,881
Speaker 1: everyone that's watching the podcast, thank you guys for tuning in.

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00:56:28,441 --> 00:56:30,521
Speaker 1: Neil's been a great host and I hope to be

1342
00:56:30,601 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: back on here soon again. Bros, it's been a pleasure brother,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks