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Speaker 1: On scorings Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Reader Panalty Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the readA Paney Show coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight. One Nation continues to surge in the polls.

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Speaker 3: I get Drew Pavlou's reaction to Grace Tame's inflammatory speech

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Speaker 3: at the anti Israel protests, and we'll also get his

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Speaker 3: take on Abby Chatfield's latest attention seeking antics. The Great

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Speaker 3: John Heinderraker will have all the latest from the US,

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Speaker 3: including Donald Trump's role in taking down Jeffrey Epstein, and

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Speaker 3: on the Epstein Files, we'll look at the disturbing truth

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Speaker 3: about the former Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson and her

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Speaker 3: ex husband Andrew with doctor Carol Lieberman and Left He's

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Speaker 3: Losing It features Elaine from Seinfeld, who has lost the plot.

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Speaker 3: I stand with Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Enough is enough.

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Speaker 4: But First.

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Speaker 3: One Nation has emerged as the number one political party

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Speaker 3: in the country for working class people, with polling numbers

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Speaker 3: surpassing both Labor and the Coalition. The latest Sky News

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Speaker 3: polls conducted by Yugab showed One Nation secured thirty four

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Speaker 3: percent of the working class vote, compared to twenty seven

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Speaker 3: percent for Labor. And just fourteen percent for the Coalition.

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Speaker 3: Across the entire electorate, One Nation's primary vote sits at

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Speaker 3: twenty eight percent, narrowly behind Labor on thirty percent, while

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Speaker 3: the Coalition sits at just nineteen percent. Labor lead the

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Speaker 3: Coalition fifty four forty six percent on a two party

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Speaker 3: per ThReD basis, while One Nation was slightly behind. Further

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Speaker 3: behind than that fifty five forty five against Labor. Joining

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Speaker 3: me now is Institute of Public Affairs chief economists Adam

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Speaker 3: Crichton and Sky News contributor pri McSween Adam ulstar with you,

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Speaker 3: Susan Lee has a net satisfaction rating that currently sits

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Speaker 3: at minus forty percent. That is diabolically.

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Speaker 1: It certainly is diabolical. She seems to be a dead

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Speaker 1: woman walking.

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Speaker 5: I would say, just you know, the sad thing about

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Speaker 5: this is the Liberal Party still doesn't have any.

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Speaker 1: Policies so long from the last election.

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Speaker 5: We don't know what they really stand on immigration, on

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Speaker 5: net zero, on tax even.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen, of course this huge support for One Nation.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a political earthquake like I've never

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Speaker 5: seen in my life, probably like we've never seen since

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Speaker 5: the fifties.

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Speaker 1: You have a party. You go from five.

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Speaker 5: Percent priory to sometimes even thirty percent now and it's

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Speaker 5: been that way for five or six weeks.

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Speaker 1: This is completely devastating for the levels.

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Speaker 5: This is an existential crisis. I think they need to

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Speaker 5: change leader soon.

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Speaker 1: Try to salvage it.

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Speaker 5: It looks like it's going to be Angus Taylor, but

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Speaker 5: at least what we're seeing I think. I think the

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Speaker 5: positive thing for people on the right is there is turbulence,

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Speaker 5: there are ideas.

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Speaker 1: Now, and they're going to have to settle on a

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Speaker 1: policy platform.

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Speaker 3: Well, Prue, we are seeing an increase overall for center

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Speaker 3: right parties, even with a coalition in disarray. Some simple

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Speaker 3: maths here tells you one nation on twenty eight percent

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Speaker 3: primary and the coalition on nineteen that it adds up

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Speaker 3: to forty seven percent. And you compare that to the

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Speaker 3: left side of politics Labor and the Greens, their totals

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Speaker 3: add up to forty two percent. The coalition has to

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Speaker 3: really seriously consider forming a formal alliance with one nation

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Speaker 3: at this point, don't they.

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Speaker 6: Well, I agree, I think that they'll be done.

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Speaker 7: Otherwise, you know, they'll become just some distant memory because

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Speaker 7: they have no.

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Speaker 6: Policies they have. They're just such a mozzle.

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Speaker 7: And I think that trust is such an important thing

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Speaker 7: with voters, and how many voters could actually trust them

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Speaker 7: to have any say in running the country at this stage.

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Speaker 7: So I think the alliance between One Nation and the

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Speaker 7: coalition would be a strong starting point. But you know,

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Speaker 7: one National sounds good too. You know, do they need

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Speaker 7: the Libs because at this stage they're not a very

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Speaker 7: impressive bunch.

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Speaker 6: They have no idea what to present to the public.

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Speaker 7: They often know no policies, no options, so you know,

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Speaker 7: they're a disgrace.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've come to this position because the Leabs really

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Speaker 3: have been so confused. They've been labor lighte at consecutive elections.

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Speaker 3: They keep presenting really a shadow of labor as opposed

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Speaker 3: them ten months to come to a position, but we

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Speaker 1: They were strong then, and they took.

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Speaker 3: No lessons out of that and went back to another

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Speaker 3: election being labor lize, signing up to net zero, same

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Speaker 3: big spending promises, refusing to even talk about the so

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Speaker 3: called culture wars, not slashing immigration by any sort of

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Speaker 3: huge margin. And the Australian people have had enough. They

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Speaker 3: want to have a party that actually represents what they

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Speaker 3: want in these key policy areas.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I should probably say the Liberal Party completely

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Speaker 5: ignored the IPA last year on those issues on immigration

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Speaker 5: that they completely ignored us. In fact, it was one

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Speaker 5: nation that came to us and they've taken our policies.

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Speaker 5: And look who's on thirty percent prime now it's not

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Speaker 5: the Liberal Party. So we were right on that, if

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Speaker 5: I may say so. And you know, good on a

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Speaker 5: one nation and also good on Pauline Hanson for being

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Speaker 5: the bigger woman here. She's come out and said that

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Speaker 5: she'd be willing to work, you.

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Speaker 1: Know with the Liberal Party or the National Party to

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Speaker 3: Which we saw that again. We saw Zoe Mackenzie just

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Speaker 3: complete disdain for the suggestion that you would have one

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Speaker 3: nation sitting within the coalition, having ministries or shadow.

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Speaker 1: Cranly helps one nation, I think.

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Speaker 5: And also this business about getting back together, Oh we're

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Speaker 5: back together again, you know, Mummy and Daddy are back

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Speaker 5: together again.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's so elitist, and I mean for people

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Speaker 1: outside the beltway, who cares about the coalition, who even

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Speaker 1: knows what all intricate rules are. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 5: I would have preferred them be separate, work out what

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Speaker 5: they stand for and in a preferential system, which I

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Speaker 5: know is a controversial system. But you don't have to

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Speaker 5: worry about splitting the vote on your side.

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Speaker 1: You just need principles.

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Speaker 3: Now, if only that listened to the IPA when it

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Speaker 3: came to the so called hate speech laws as well,

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Speaker 3: because that caused further fracture in the base. Now let's

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Speaker 3: go to Victoria, where a Parliamentary Budget Office report shows

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Speaker 3: the state collects the highest share of property tax of

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Speaker 3: any state relative to the size of its economy. Victorians

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Speaker 3: are being slugged with the most land tax per person.

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Speaker 3: The Allan government received sixteen point five billion dollars in

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Speaker 3: the last financial year and that is forecast to saw

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Speaker 3: further to twenty point five billion by twenty twenty eight

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Speaker 3: due to the state's rigid land tax regime now including

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Speaker 3: the COVID debt levee, and it's why we're seeing mom

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Speaker 3: and dad investors sell up. In recent years, they've been

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Speaker 3: selling up in huge numbers because they just cannot afford

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Speaker 1: And sometimes even fleeing the state.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it does have fast population growth, but it's

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Speaker 5: largely immigrants for developing countries moving in and the naty

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Speaker 5: of Australians moving out. Basically that's a phenomenon in Melbourne.

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Speaker 5: But you know, the state is massively taxed. I spoke

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Speaker 5: to some former labor premiers last year and they said,

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Speaker 5: of course off the record, that this state is taxed

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Speaker 5: to the Bejesus. It cannot be taxed anymore. These are

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Speaker 5: labor people saying this, Yeah, there's a COVID levee. Still

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Speaker 5: there's the absurd fifty thousand dollars threshold on investment properties

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Speaker 5: that is extremely low. I mean, if you just have

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Speaker 1: You've been hit with thousands of dollars just to have it.

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Speaker 1: And of course if it's vacant, oh, if it's vacant,

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Speaker 1: you get another tax on top of that. So it's

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Speaker 1: extremely heavily taxed.

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Speaker 5: But the main thing is Victoria is spending in five

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Speaker 5: one hundred and seven billion dollars a year, fifty five

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Speaker 5: percent increase. So they could cut all the taxes, cut

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Speaker 5: the spending and things will be much better.

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Speaker 3: And prove Victoria is just a preview of what happens

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Speaker 3: when labor are in power and you have a week opposition.

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Speaker 3: You can be sure any labor state where the opposition

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Speaker 3: I can playly hopeless, you're going to end up in

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Speaker 3: the same situation. And the state is absolutely hooked on

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Speaker 3: these property taxes now, and the libers aren't really offering

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Speaker 7: I've got to say, well, they know how desperately crook

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Speaker 7: the budget is.

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Speaker 6: You know this labor only knows to spend.

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Speaker 7: We've seen it with Charmers and we've seen it with

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Speaker 7: most of the state labor government governments. So it's it's

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Speaker 7: I don't understand why anyone wants to live in Melbourne anymore.

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Speaker 6: What is it offering? Because you're either.

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Speaker 7: Going to get mashettied or you know, or have a

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Speaker 6: You're taxed to the eyeballs. The weather's crook, no wonder.

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Speaker 7: So many of them are moving up to Queensland because

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Speaker 7: you know that's just going crazy.

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Speaker 6: Brisbane is going.

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Speaker 7: Off, the Gold Coast is going off, and most of

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Speaker 7: that this government has hit at the end of the

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Speaker 7: road unless they keep taxing more and more, and you

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Speaker 7: know they're not prepared to stop spending.

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Speaker 6: So what's going to happen? You know, you just empty

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Speaker 6: the bank balance?

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Speaker 3: Does that agree?

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Speaker 5: Adam just Worth quickly saying the first time in Australian

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Speaker 5: history you've got Melbourne prices houses and apartments are cheaper

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Speaker 5: than those in Brisbane and Adelaide.

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Speaker 1: That's very very unusual.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's very strange and I think it does

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Speaker 5: reflect largely on the government, which may get sadly a

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Speaker 3: It's not just the land tax burden in this state,

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Speaker 3: tendancy rules and laws which make it almost impossible for

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Speaker 3: landlords to have any control over their property and again

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Speaker 3: just creates an environment where if you can invest elsewhere,

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Speaker 3: why would you invest in property in Victoria? It's a

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Speaker 3: sad state of affairs. Now let's go to the US

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Speaker 3: and a new document release by the Department of Justice

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Speaker 3: as part of the Epstein file suggests that Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: was one of the very first people to speak to

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Speaker 3: police all the way back in two thousand and six

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Speaker 3: once newsbroke of the financiers at sex charge. The revelation

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Speaker 3: is contained in a previously unreported twenty nineteen FBI interview

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Speaker 3: with Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Writer. Trump told the

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Speaker 3: police chief that Epstein's interest in teenage girls was well

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Speaker 3: known in both New York and Palm Beach. The police

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Speaker 3: chief told the FBI that Trump had called him to

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Speaker 3: tell him, thank goodness, you're stopping him. Everyone has known

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Speaker 3: he's been doing this, prue. And yet we've got so

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Speaker 3: many who believe that Donald Trump was closely linked to

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein and a regular on his island. As there's

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Speaker 3: just been so much misinformation on this topic, particularly in Australia,

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Speaker 3: I've got to say.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's an inconvenient truth about Trump, isn't it. And

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Speaker 7: perhaps Ivan knew about it but just didn't want it

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Speaker 7: to come out. That's why, in fact, he got rid

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Speaker 3: This week we saw violence erupted Antie is Our protests

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Speaker 9: We have to continue to mobilize and we have to

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Speaker 10: Say it with me, from.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on reader, listen.

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Speaker 12: The call to globalize the interfada, in my opinion, it's

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Speaker 12: This was two months after two Islamic terrorists massacret fifteen

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Speaker 12: It seems to me like she's joking about murdering Jews,

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Speaker 12: But here you have a far left extremist calling, in

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure Grace tan would argue that to her,

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Speaker 12: I think reader, she should, I think reader, she should

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Speaker 12: Down with the parents of Matilda, the ten year old

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Speaker 12: that interfarta just means shaking off in Arabic.

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Speaker 12: Drew Absolutely, I think that honor should be removed, and

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Speaker 12: Well what about Grace Tame basically telling ten thousand people

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Speaker 4: One hundred.

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Speaker 3: Now let's go to the ABC and they've had a

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Speaker 3: Right? We want to fix the problem if we won't

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I wonder why, I truly wonder why the ABC

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Speaker 12: Think it's very sad that he displays that level of

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Speaker 4: He's taking the piss out of them. He views them

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Speaker 12: So why would you join this movement that just hates

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Speaker 3: You know what, next time you're on, we're going to

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Speaker 3: through through that journey. But I want to get your

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Speaker 3: reaction to this video featuring Abby Chatfield and her boyfriend

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Speaker 3: Adam Hyde.

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Speaker 2: You know what's cooler than hate is love? Your pieces,

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Speaker 2: you're staying on this country, your scum. It's simple bacteria.

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Speaker 2: Love is the best thing.

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Speaker 13: I love.

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Speaker 4: Abortioned and tell me how to word it.

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Speaker 2: There is just die, Just die. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden hating on cool.

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Speaker 3: And love is demonized.

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Speaker 7: If you can't comprehend that, I actually worry for your

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Speaker 7: brain capacity because it's.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you're not getting love if you if you're if

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Speaker 2: you're preaching this hate, when are you going to do it?

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Speaker 8: Why is it not already done?

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Speaker 4: Every day there's another happening.

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Speaker 3: It's always in cells that it's no go.

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Speaker 1: And do you.

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Speaker 3: Know what would actually make people respect you a little bit?

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Speaker 4: And maybe one is if you.

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Speaker 2: Did it is if you did it, you get heaps of.

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Speaker 3: Fan mat Oh my god, oh my god, just do it.

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Speaker 3: Just do it. There you go, just casually asking for

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Speaker 3: lonely young men to kill the president of the United

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Speaker 3: States so they will have attention from women. The same

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Speaker 3: person drew decrying the climate of hate online. It's fascinating,

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Speaker 3: really look, these are not healthy people.

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Speaker 12: If you could watch that video for the past thirty

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Speaker 12: seconds and conclude that Cali Holiday and Abbi Chatfield are

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Speaker 12: healthy people, I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 4: They don't look very happy.

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Speaker 12: They feel you know, they're filled with hatred, They're filled

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Speaker 12: with anger, They're filled with resentment. They hate half the country.

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Speaker 12: They think anybody who has a different view to them

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Speaker 12: is scum, like that's what they communicate themselves. And Abi

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Speaker 12: Chatfield is out there literally calling for violence. She's calling

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Speaker 12: for people to go out and murder the president of

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Speaker 12: the United States, our closest ally a democratically elected president.

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Speaker 12: So I hope that I hope that will impact her

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Speaker 12: ability to travel to the United States in the future.

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Speaker 12: And I also hope that Australian authorities are investigating her

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Speaker 12: because this is literally a call for violence. I don't

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Speaker 12: think you can go out there and just call for

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Speaker 12: people to go out and kill people and get away

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Speaker 12: with it, don't. I don't understand what's happening in this

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Speaker 12: country Rida, where you know, conservatives are so scared, we

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Speaker 12: are so worried to put a foot wrong in case,

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Speaker 12: you know, the Australian authority's got to smash down the

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Speaker 12: door and charge us with you know, hate speech offenses.

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Speaker 12: But people like Abby Chatfield, the far left are just

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Speaker 12: able to just openly call for mass murder and killings,

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Speaker 12: and they just get away with it.

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Speaker 4: It's just seen as normal. And they're still faded by

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Speaker 4: the mainstream media. You know that they're given you.

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Speaker 12: Know, prime spots at these awards ceremonies, and they walk

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Speaker 12: the red carpet and people love them, but they're treated

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Speaker 12: as mainstream, like somebody like me is seen as fringe

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Speaker 12: and I'm not calling for violence, whereas Abby Chatfield, this

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Speaker 12: you know, major podcaster. She's out there calling for people

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Speaker 12: to kill the democratic elected president of the United States,

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Speaker 12: and apparently that's normal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think she's called for mass murder, but

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Speaker 3: she's certainly there in that clip did call and very

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Speaker 3: specifically even encouraged so called in cells to target the

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Speaker 3: US president, to assassinate the US president, And that video

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Speaker 3: got all sorts of well, that got all sorts of

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Speaker 3: media coverage, and yet I doubt there's been any sort

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Speaker 3: of formal investigation by authorities anywhere. So you're right, there

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Speaker 3: is certainly two tier policing happening in Australia, and that's

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Speaker 3: not part of a healthy system. Drew Pavlu, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for your time tonight. Coming up, Left is

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Speaker 3: Losing It plus all the latest from the US, including

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's role in taking down Jeffrey Epstein. John Heinderaker

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Speaker 3: joins me. Next, you're watching the Rate of Panehy show,

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Speaker 3: and it's time for lifties Losing It and let's have

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Speaker 3: a little celebrity Cyllindus starting with alleged comic Chelsea Handler,

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Speaker 3: who is urging her followers to boycott Amazon and other

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Speaker 3: companies She says profit from ICE. But a team are

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Speaker 3: still using Amazon, just not as much as they used.

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Speaker 14: I can't say we never use it, but we have

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Speaker 14: reduced our use a lot. All of the actions that

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Speaker 14: we can take to make this a more healthy, loving

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Speaker 14: country in this moment are worthwhile. I understand not everyone

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Speaker 14: is in the same position I'm in, but we can

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Speaker 14: all do things to make sure that these companies are

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Speaker 14: not profiting off of ICE. I deleted Spotify, I downloaded

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Speaker 14: Koko Buzz, that's my music app. You can get rid

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Speaker 14: of Apple, you can get rid of Amazon. You can

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Speaker 14: make sure that these companies actually heal an impact. I

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Speaker 14: want people who are ethical, I want to express compassion.

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Speaker 14: I want people to feel loved and safe in this country.

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Speaker 3: You know, Chelsea, people should feel safe in America, and

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Speaker 3: most sane, rational folk do because they don't go around

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Speaker 3: attacking ICE agents. And the statistics show Americans are a

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Speaker 3: lot safer today than they were before Trump's second term.

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Speaker 3: In the past year, the murder rate has dropped dramatically,

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Speaker 3: around twenty percent, the largest single year drop recorded. Other

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Speaker 3: serious crime categories are also down. You think Chelsea would

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Speaker 3: be happy about that, but she is a miserable awful

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Speaker 3: that's an affluent white female leftist, just like this next actress,

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Speaker 3: Julia Luis Dreyfus, I stand with Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: Enough is enough.

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Speaker 3: You know, we loved her as Elaine in Seinfeld and

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Speaker 3: Selena Myers in Beef, But awful Julia is just awful.

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Speaker 3: Now to today's hearings at the House Homeland Security Committee,

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Speaker 3: and this is important to point out a lot of

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Speaker 3: people don't know this. Sanctuary cities are forcing ICE to

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Speaker 3: operate in hostile environments instead of simply allowing them to

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Speaker 3: go into prisons in sanctuary cities and take into custody

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Speaker 3: illegal immigrants who have been convicted of crimes in America?

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Speaker 13: Is it true that you would rather send your officers

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Speaker 13: into a jail to get some of these illegal alien criminals?

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Speaker 13: Is it safer for your agents and also the illegal

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Speaker 13: alien criminal if your officers are able to go into

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Speaker 13: a jail instead of having to go out and find them.

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Speaker 2: On the street.

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Speaker 13: Mister Lions, I'll start with.

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Speaker 2: You, yes, sir, would be.

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Speaker 15: You wouldn't se the amount law enforcement officers involved in

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Speaker 15: immigration operations.

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Speaker 3: Now even CNN. CNN has pointed this fact out. Here

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Speaker 3: is Minneapolis met Jacob Fray being asked why they have

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Speaker 3: changed the rules that were abiding by under Democrat presidents.

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Speaker 16: It is worth noting that during the Obama years, the

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Speaker 16: Hennepin County Jail actually had a policy where they let

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Speaker 16: an ICE agent keep an off there and allowed them

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Speaker 16: to talk to immigrants. So the policy has clearly been

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Speaker 16: under a Democratic president. What now the Trump administration is

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Speaker 16: asking for? I mean, big picture, do you think it's

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Speaker 16: good policy for the jails to follow an ICE detainer

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Speaker 16: and hand someone over if they've committed a crime. And again,

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Speaker 16: this only happens after they've served their time, you know,

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Speaker 16: for whatever crime they may have committed against the people

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Speaker 16: of Minnesota.

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Speaker 15: I mean, look, you're asking all the right questions here,

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Speaker 15: and while I don't have full expertise in how the

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Speaker 15: operations that the jail are conducted, again, that's not our jurisdiction.

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Speaker 3: Utterly hopeless. He is either lying or in it. There

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Speaker 3: are no other options at this point. Now back to

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Speaker 3: today's hearings at the House Homeland Security Committee and what's

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Speaker 3: the acting as director absolutely school, Eric bangfang Swolwell.

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Speaker 4: Alliance, you resign from ICE, No, sir, I won't.

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Speaker 10: Why not?

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Speaker 8: Because, sir, that child that you're showing right there, the

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Speaker 8: men and women advice took care.

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Speaker 4: Of him when his father abandoned him in real time

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Speaker 4: has expired.

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Speaker 10: You never should have.

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Speaker 4: Government's time has expired.

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Speaker 3: But if you thought the Democrats had hit rock bottom

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Speaker 3: with Eric there, well have a look at what happens

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Speaker 3: when they hit rock bottom and start digging. That's when

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Speaker 3: you get a representative like a La Monika MacIvor asking

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Speaker 3: questions like this or should that be oxing?

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Speaker 11: Let me ask you some questions that you may be

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Speaker 11: able to answer. Mister Lions, do you consider yourself a

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Speaker 11: religious man. Oh yes, okay, well, how do you think

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Speaker 11: judgment day will work for you with so much blood

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Speaker 11: on your hands.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to entertain that question.

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Speaker 3: Okay, of course not.

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Speaker 11: Do you think you're going to hell?

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Speaker 4: Mister Lions, I'm not going to end.

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Speaker 17: How many government general lady will suspend, General lady will

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Speaker 17: suspend chairman as a general lady will suspend.

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Speaker 3: Calling her a gentle lady is interesting. Last time I

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Speaker 3: heard about La Monica, she was being indicted for assaulting,

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Speaker 3: allegedly assaulting DHS agents gentle lady. Indeed, now after that

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Speaker 3: unhinged question, she was gently reminded of the standards she's

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Speaker 3: expected to uphold. It did not go well, thank you.

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Speaker 17: While vigorous disagreement is part of the legislative process, members

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Speaker 17: are reminded that we must adhere to establish standards of

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Speaker 17: decorum in debate. The witnesses are here voluntarily, and I

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Speaker 17: will continue continue to remind members that while oversight is important,

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Speaker 17: aggressively attacking those witnesses personally is inappropriate and not in

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Speaker 17: keeping with the traditions of our committee.

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Speaker 11: Mister Sherman, I'm just asking a question. All you guys

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Speaker 11: are always talking about religion here in the Bible.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's okay for me to ask a question.

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Speaker 3: Mary, She's just asking questions, y'all. Let's bring in the

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Speaker 3: center of the American Experiment, president and co founder of

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Speaker 3: the popular power Line blog, John hein Ega. John, the

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Speaker 3: Democrats are not sending their best. That question to the

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Speaker 3: Acting Director of US Immigration and Custom Enforcement, Todd Lines

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Speaker 3: was appalling.

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Speaker 8: Well, as you said, Rita, it was completely unhinged. I

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Speaker 8: suppose if you were to look on the bright side,

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Speaker 8: you could say, it's kind of nice to know there's

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Speaker 8: a few Democrats left who still believe in heaven and hell,

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Speaker 8: I didn't think there were any. But yeah, that was

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Speaker 8: a completely appalling question that I'm sure has never been

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Speaker 8: asked before in a congressional committee. Hearing it's just absurd.

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Speaker 3: I was shocked, and it's hard to shock me now

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Speaker 3: because I've been witnessing the squad's antiques for several years

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Speaker 3: and any sort of attention seeking you could expect from

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Speaker 3: those ladies. But yeah, this is a new contender. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's stay with the increasingly radical Democrats. This is the

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Speaker 3: minority leader of the Democrats in the Texas House, Jean

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Speaker 3: Wu and correct me if I'm wrong here, but he

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Speaker 3: seems to be advocating for some sort of race war

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Speaker 3: against white people.

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Speaker 18: I always tell people, the day the Latino, African, American,

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Speaker 18: Asian and other communities realize that they are that they

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Speaker 18: share the same oppressor is the day we start winning

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Speaker 18: because we are the majority in this country. Now are

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Speaker 18: we have the ability to take over this country and

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Speaker 18: to do what is needed for everyone and to make

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Speaker 18: things fair. But the pulemb is our communities are divided,

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Speaker 18: They're completely divided.

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Speaker 3: We have the ability to take over the country. John,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of that sort of rhetoric.

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Speaker 8: Well, that kind of racism is really anesthetical to the

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Speaker 8: American ideal and to American history. And by the way,

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Speaker 8: whites are still a clear majority in the United States.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure what he's talking about. And he's right

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Speaker 8: to the extent that he says that the idea of

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Speaker 8: a minority coalition is really a fantasy. If you look

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Speaker 8: at the twenty twenty four election, President Trump's best demographic

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Speaker 8: was American Indians, his second best demographic was Asians, and

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Speaker 8: he virtually tied with Kamala Harris with Hispanics. And so

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Speaker 8: the good news readA, is that most minority voters in

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Speaker 8: America are not falling for this kind of racist nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Well, that is an excellent point, because Trump has been

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Speaker 3: so successful in fracturing some of those voter blocks that

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Speaker 3: the Democrats have almost taken for granted. They've just assumed

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Speaker 3: if you're a minority, if you're Hispanic, if you're of

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Speaker 3: any sort of racial background that's a minority in America,

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Speaker 3: you must vote for the Democrats. And Donald Trump has

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Speaker 3: proved that's not the case.

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 8: And one of the reasons REATA is because Hispanics who

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Speaker 8: are citizens, really don't like illegal immigration, and that's been

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Speaker 8: a very powerful issue, not on the Democrats side, but

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Speaker 8: on the Republican side.

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Speaker 3: And Hispanics and many other migrant groups, John, are socially conservative,

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Speaker 3: They are family orientated, they are very socially conservative, and

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Speaker 3: with the Democrats getting increasingly radical, particularly with their transagenda,

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Speaker 3: it's very easy for the Republicans to appeal to those

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Speaker 3: sorts of voters.

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 3: Let's turn our attention now to the latest revelations from

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Speaker 3: the Epstein files. A newly released FBI documents show Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump personally called the police chief in Palm Beach, Florida

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Speaker 3: back in two thousand and six to thank him for

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Speaker 3: investigating Jeffrey Epstein and told him to focus on the

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Speaker 3: disgraced financiers' evil accomplice. Evil being a quote there. Gilaine Maxwell,

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Speaker 3: ABC reports, the former Palm Beach police chief who investigated

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, told the FBI he had received a call

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Speaker 3: from Donald Trump in two thousand and six, saying, thank goodness,

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Speaker 3: you're stopping him. Everyone has known he's been doing this.

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Speaker 3: And John, we're talking about a period here before Epstein

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Speaker 3: was charged and convicted.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that quote is from an interview in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 8: that the Palm Beach chief of police related to an

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Speaker 8: FBI agent when the FBI was investigating Epstein, and credited

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump with having called him in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 8: very early in this whole story, saying, well, thank goodness,

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Speaker 8: you're going after this guy, and you should go after

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Speaker 8: gives Lane Maxwell. You know she's evil. I think the

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Speaker 8: point we don't want to lose sight of, though, Rita,

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Speaker 8: is that we know that Jeffrey Epstein hated Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: The Democrats continued this futile effort to smear Donald Trump

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Speaker 8: by associating him with Epstein. Well, there wasn't association in

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Speaker 8: the sense that he kicked Epstein out of Mari Loga

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Speaker 8: go as a guest, and Epstein hated Trump to the

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Speaker 8: point where he was on the phone talking to a

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Speaker 8: Democratic congress person during a hearing giving advice on how

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Speaker 8: to attack the Trump administration. I mean, this whole Epstein

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Speaker 8: thing is a complete non starter for the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: But so many have this false perception that it's Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump that's all over the Epstein files, not members of

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Speaker 3: the Democrat Party or a former president there who appears

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Speaker 3: multiple times. And this latest revelation really should not come

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Speaker 3: as a shock given author Michael Wolfe. Trump hating author

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Speaker 3: Michael Wolfe said some time ago that Jeffrey Epstein believed

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Speaker 3: Trump was the one who had first alerted authorities to

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Speaker 3: his antics have a listen.

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Speaker 19: At that point, Epstein's legal problems began. The police began

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Speaker 19: to investigate him over our litigations that he was that

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Speaker 19: there were underage women coming to his house. Epstein believed

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Speaker 19: that it was Trump who first informed the police about

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Speaker 19: what was going on at Epstein's house, and from that

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Speaker 19: point on they were they were nothing but bitter enemies.

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Speaker 2: And this is what he's telling you. This is one

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Speaker 2: of the instances of what he's telling you that.

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Speaker 19: Yes, the following up that is the version of this

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Speaker 19: related by Epstein.

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Speaker 3: And Michael Wolfe. Is no friend of Donald Trump, is he?

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Speaker 1: John, No, he's not.

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Speaker 8: But what he said there is exactly what we see

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Speaker 8: in these Epstein files. Trump is mentioned in them, and

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Speaker 8: the Democrats keep saying, oh, yeah, Trump has mentioned. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: he's mentioned because Epstein hates him and attacks him in

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Speaker 8: these these email ex changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's several emails where they're plotting to get

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Speaker 3: him to try to just destroy his political campaign. There

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Speaker 3: are a lot of emails like that, and everyone is

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Speaker 3: free to read them. So I would encourage people who

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Speaker 3: are interested in this to actually read the source material

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Speaker 3: rather than listening to some of the media commentary. Now,

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Speaker 3: John got some terrible news out of Hong Kong. Jimmy Lay,

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Speaker 3: the media tycoon pro democracy campaigner, has been jailed for

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Speaker 3: twenty years for allegedly coluding with foreign forces under these

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Speaker 3: controversial national security laws. US Secretary of State Marco Rubio

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Speaker 3: has expressed his dismay at the sentence. Writing the sentencing

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Speaker 3: of Jimmy Lay in Hong Kong is an unjust and

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Speaker 3: tragic conclusion to this case. We urge the authorities to

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Speaker 3: grant Missilay humanitarian parole. Will President Trump raise this issue

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Speaker 3: with Beijing directly, John Well, I.

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Speaker 8: Sure hope, Sir Jimmy Lay is one of the heroes

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Speaker 8: of our time. He easily could have gotten out of home,

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Speaker 8: but instead he stayed to lead the fight for freedom

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Speaker 8: in that in that city, and what's happened to him,

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Speaker 8: of course, is a disaster. He's like the soldier needson

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Speaker 8: of our era. And I seriously hope that Trump will

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Speaker 8: raise his issue in a very his his case, in

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Speaker 8: a very serious way. But it's hard to say. There

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Speaker 8: are so many important issues between the US and China.

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Speaker 8: I really don't know if that's going to be high

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Speaker 8: on the agenda or not.

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Speaker 3: John Heindereicher, thank you so much for your time tonight.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Edith.

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Speaker 3: Still to calm, we look at the disturbing truth about

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Speaker 3: the former Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson and her ex

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Speaker 3: husband Andrew. Doctor Carol Lieberman as the Data House welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is forensic psychiatrist and author, Doctor Carol

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Speaker 3: Laberman dot the Leeberman. The latest Epstein document dump has

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Speaker 3: cast former Duchess of York Sarah Ferguson and her ex

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Speaker 3: husband and Drew Matt Badden Windsor as grubby and selfish

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Speaker 3: and as a pair who knew of Epstein's vile activities

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Speaker 3: yet continue to grow their relationship with him. So much

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Speaker 3: of the communication that we've read is after he was

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Speaker 3: convicted on some really serious and ugly charges.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Epstein was a very mysterious man who obviously did

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Speaker 10: a lot about things, but he had this magic, this

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Speaker 10: ability to attract people who were very rich, people who

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Speaker 10: were in high places, royalty, And how he kept them

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Speaker 10: friends to be friends of his is by keeping them

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Speaker 10: in having something on them. You know. He didn't want

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Speaker 10: them to betray his trust, and so he would always

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Speaker 10: get something on each of them. Now I kind of

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Speaker 10: feel bad for Andrew because, you know, I think he

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Speaker 10: was on the spectrum, the autism spectrum. You know, he

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Speaker 10: had this strange preoccupation with stuffed animals on his bed,

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Speaker 10: and they had to be in these specific kinds of

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Speaker 10: and other kinds of dolls, and he had to be

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Speaker 10: they had to be in specific kinds of places, and

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Speaker 10: also he just seemed socially awkward, and so so you know,

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Speaker 10: I think you know now he's he's of course, his

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Speaker 10: titles have been taken away and he's been made to move,

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Speaker 10: and I think that that I think it's a little

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Speaker 10: too much for we don't we don't know, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, farm you have a far more charitable view of

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Speaker 3: the former prince that I do. I've got to say

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Speaker 3: that I do not feel sorry for him one little bit,

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Speaker 3: but I do agree with you that he's certainly socially awkward.

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Speaker 3: On Fergie, emails between her and Epstein seem to show

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Speaker 3: that she may have had a crush on him, or

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Speaker 3: some have suggested she was in love with a disgrace

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Speaker 3: by nancier and convicted pedophile. Let's not forget. Alan Howe

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Speaker 3: has written a great piece in Today's Australian newspaper and

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Speaker 3: he says there were warning signs from very early on

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Speaker 3: about Sarah Ferguson. Reports of disturbing behavior from her date

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Speaker 3: right back to when she first joined the royal family

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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty six. Carol, what do you say about that?

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Speaker 10: Well, yes, this is the newest thing that has come

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Speaker 10: out of the Epstein files. I mean, there's so much

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Speaker 10: that's coming out there, thousands and thousands of pages. But yes,

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Speaker 10: it has come out that on at least two occasions

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Speaker 10: she proposed to Jeffrey Epstein, and yes it was after

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Speaker 10: he was convicted the first time of movings, and so

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Speaker 10: you know, obviously that didn't bother her very much or

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Speaker 10: it didn't preclude her wanting to be married to him. Now,

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Speaker 10: of course it is. She does have this pattern where

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Speaker 10: she likes to She's attracted to men not only for

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Speaker 10: their accomplishments and you know, their they're having a lot

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Speaker 10: of money and so on, but also for what they

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Speaker 10: will buy her, you know, what they can offer her.

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Speaker 10: But apparently Epstein actually did give her money on a

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Speaker 10: number of occasions, you know, when she was in deep trouble,

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Speaker 10: you know, in debt, and he would I mean the

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Speaker 10: money that she asked him for was really not very

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Speaker 10: much for what he had in terms of wealth.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it seems to be a lot about money

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Speaker 3: when he kind of when it comes to these to

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Speaker 3: particularly Fergure, it's Fergie, it seems. Now we've seen a

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Speaker 3: truly unprecedented public reaction from the royal family in recent wakes,

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Speaker 3: can Charles went nuclear and broke long standing raal protocol

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Speaker 3: by commenting on family matters, issued a statement condemning his brother,

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Speaker 3: even ejected him from the Royal Lodge Carol. And yet

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Speaker 3: despite that rather strong response, the King has been heckled

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Speaker 3: during a visit to Lancashire by a man demanding to

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Speaker 3: know how long he had known about Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 20: Have a listen, Jels, how long have you vote about.

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Speaker 3: Carol? That is not a great look for the royal family.

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Speaker 10: Is it. No, it isn't now. Of course the Queen

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Speaker 10: would say, never complain and never explain, but yes, King

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Speaker 10: Charles has gone a little bit beyond that. I don't know,

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Speaker 10: I mean, I can't help. You know, Andrew was the

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Speaker 10: Queen's favorite child, favorite son, and I think and the

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Speaker 10: younger and younger than than Charles. And you know, there

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Speaker 10: is this thing in families where siblings their sibling rivalry,

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Speaker 10: and particularly siblings who are older than the children who

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Speaker 10: come next are jealous of them because they take the

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Speaker 10: attention away of their parents. So I don't know, I

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Speaker 10: think maybe unconsciously there's some of that that sort of

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Speaker 10: you know, and and yes, what he thinks that his

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Speaker 10: people want him to do. Those pressures caused him, but

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Speaker 10: I don't know, just the idea of making Andrew pack

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Speaker 10: up in the middle of the night and move, not

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Speaker 10: that he hadn't been warned before, and actually it was

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Speaker 10: because the King took away a lot of money and

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Speaker 10: he couldn't afford to keep up his where he was living.

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Speaker 10: But but yes, I mean, it just it just seems like,

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Speaker 10: you know, we don't know, we don't know exactly how

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Speaker 10: much Andrew did. I mean, yes, there's certainly stories, especially

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Speaker 10: now with more things coming out from Epstein, you know,

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Speaker 10: it's looking worse and worse. But I just think I just,

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Speaker 10: you know, I guess because as a psychiatrist seeing you know,

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Speaker 10: seeing that there may be some underlying psychiatric problem like

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Speaker 10: this being on the autism spectrum. Not that that allows

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Speaker 10: you to do anything in regard to young girls, you know,

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Speaker 10: doesn't doesn't absolve you of it, I think, But.

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Speaker 3: Carol, I'm sure in the coming months will learn more

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Speaker 3: about Andrew's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for your time tonight, I've run out of time. I'll

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Speaker 3: see you tomorrow at eleven with Douglas Murray Up next.

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Speaker 3: It's Newsnight

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Speaker 16: Eight