WEBVTT - ‘I WAS BULLIED INTO GETTING ONLYFANS’ ** ft Phoebe Thompson**

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<v Speaker 1>I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming.

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<v Speaker 2>She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of

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<v Speaker 2>my kissing style.

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<v Speaker 1>Boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours. He's in a

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<v Speaker 1>trash bin. He's non recyclable, catching hemmer.

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<v Speaker 2>I love being love, I love love. On today's episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Where's Your Head At, we have Phoebe Thompson, our

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<v Speaker 2>fellow season two Love Islander.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be talking all things at personal websites, her portrayal

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<v Speaker 3>on Love Island, and her love life post show.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned. Where's Your Head At.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a podcast that talks all things relationships, breakups, reality TV,

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<v Speaker 3>trending shows, and everything in between.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey Phoebe, welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you.

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<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen you guys in so long.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we've been wanting to catch up with you, and

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<v Speaker 3>we've been so flat out that we were like, we

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<v Speaker 3>have to get her on the podcast. Then we can

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<v Speaker 3>just have like a massive session just having a chat.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, I know I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying to Anna before, you might be good friends with Anna,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was pushing for you to get on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>if not more than Anna was.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it's not a competition.

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<v Speaker 2>It is what I was saying. I was saying, I

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<v Speaker 2>really want to have a chat with Phoebe on this

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<v Speaker 2>podcast about some of these topics. So let's get her on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure I missed you as well.

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<v Speaker 4>You know you did message me no, thanks, Mat, I

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<v Speaker 4>really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to be clear, I really wanted you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that shows how much I wanted you on. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So how's your life been since leaving the

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<v Speaker 2>Love Island villa.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, it's kind of like very up and down, very emotional,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. I feel like I've come a long way

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<v Speaker 5>in the past two years, and especially like coming out

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<v Speaker 5>of Love Island and being triggered by everything and being

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<v Speaker 5>extremely sensitive to now kind of like kind of rolling

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<v Speaker 5>with it, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think it like it almost like made you

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<v Speaker 2>more mature and grow up a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's made me see television and social media and

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<v Speaker 5>everything in a completely different life, and especially the people,

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<v Speaker 5>even the influences and how everything kind of worked. It's

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<v Speaker 5>made me see that in completely different life. And it's

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<v Speaker 5>it's not a positive one I wouldn't say, but.

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<v Speaker 4>In generally and just how kind of fake.

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<v Speaker 5>And how everything's very controlled and people aren't really who

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<v Speaker 5>they who they say they are, who they're you know,

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<v Speaker 5>trying to portray themselves to be on social media.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all kind of it's a brand, right, It's everything's

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<v Speaker 4>a brand.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's always disappointing when you see someone online and

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, oh, you're really inspiring or you're this or

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<v Speaker 3>you're that, and then you meet them in real life

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<v Speaker 3>and you're super disappointed with what you get.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh shit, Like that's such a letdown.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's happened so many times with people, and they're

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<v Speaker 5>just like they're really narcissistic and they're really rude, and

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<v Speaker 5>they're cold, and they don't have time for anyone or anything,

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<v Speaker 5>or they need to be the center of attention all

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<v Speaker 5>the time, and if they're not getting that attention then

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<v Speaker 5>they almost sulk.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been in situations like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so embarrassing for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Also.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had interactions with people as well where they only

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<v Speaker 3>give people time of day if you have like a

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<v Speaker 3>certain amount of followers, or if you're like if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can do better for their brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you have something to offer them, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's all transactional, correct, And that's like a real

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<v Speaker 3>testament when you meet someone and you have nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>offer them and they're just kind and like a genuine person,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's so rare to find these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we've spoken about this as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's hard, and as you said, it is

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<v Speaker 3>disappointing when you meet people and they're a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a letdown.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, it happens quite often.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go back to Love Island because I remember us

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<v Speaker 3>being on Love Island.

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<v Speaker 1>We entered the villa together, and I remember you were

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<v Speaker 1>having a.

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<v Speaker 3>Really tough time when we first got in there, like

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<v Speaker 3>obviously there's cameras on you twenty four to seven, and

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<v Speaker 3>you were just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Anna, what the fuck have I signed up for?

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is too much, Like I knew I signed

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<v Speaker 3>up to be on a reality TV show. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>you saying this, but like I don't even have any

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<v Speaker 3>privacy to like go to the toilet.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it.

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<v Speaker 5>Was our particular season, because I've seen, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>in other countries or even this very last season there

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<v Speaker 5>was all I don't know if it's to deal with

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<v Speaker 5>like money.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just don't feel like it was very.

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<v Speaker 2>Comfortable in what way, Like how like the.

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<v Speaker 5>Villa, like how we were living, how everything was kind

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<v Speaker 5>of set up.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like it was very rushed. I felt like

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't have enough money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the whole live was.

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<v Speaker 2>Set up to not make us feel comfortable. I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like I agree, like like the bright lights, the bright

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<v Speaker 2>even down to how they had set the kitchen up,

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<v Speaker 2>like things are put in an annoying places.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, no, that's so true to like.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk from one side of the kitchen to get it

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<v Speaker 2>was just all to fuck with us. I felt so.

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<v Speaker 3>You're constantly on edge, You're constantly out of your comfort zone,

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<v Speaker 3>and like like something like tiny could happen and you're

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<v Speaker 3>like bully your right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so emotional. I wasn't even in there that long,

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<v Speaker 4>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel how long were you in there for?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>A week or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember we used to call you now quite mean

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<v Speaker 2>negasaurus Rex walk around all negative.

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<v Speaker 5>I was so off it, like, I was so off.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, what the fuck is this?

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, I just feel like you were

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<v Speaker 3>saying what everyone was thinking, like, I was, what the

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<v Speaker 3>fuck have I signed up for?

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like and I just like keep going,

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<v Speaker 1>keep pushing forward.

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<v Speaker 4>Keep pushing forwar.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were like no, this, I was like.

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<v Speaker 4>This, I'm very much like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I find it very hard to like, like, I'm quite

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<v Speaker 5>an emotional person and I have no filter.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just.

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<v Speaker 4>Felt like I got fucked over. Yeah, I just in

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<v Speaker 4>more ways than one coming in there. Yeah, I almost feel.

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<v Speaker 5>Like reality TV in Australia especially, it's just not for

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<v Speaker 5>people of color.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't haven't watched all of the most recent season,

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<v Speaker 5>but I feel like even with Taku, who was very

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<v Speaker 5>popular at the beginning, it's kind of like they looked

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<v Speaker 5>at our season, We're like, oh, we can't just have

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<v Speaker 5>any token black people. Yeah, they need to have some

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<v Speaker 5>sort of, you know, main character. So they had Taku,

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<v Speaker 5>who was like really popular at the beginning, and then

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<v Speaker 5>cue the aesthetic white couple and then Taku gets no

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<v Speaker 5>airtime because they've ticked off that box.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just I don't know, it's like, do you

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<v Speaker 4>reckon that's what it was, or do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 1>He just couldn't find a connection because.

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<v Speaker 3>We did recaps of Love Island, and we were like

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<v Speaker 3>really wanting him to find a connection, and every single

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<v Speaker 3>person that he kind of got with, he was like, nah,

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<v Speaker 3>no connection, no connection, which hats off to him. He

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<v Speaker 3>was like true to himself. But watching it, it felt.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, and they're going to follow someone that's single the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess so, but you never know.

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<v Speaker 5>You never know with the editing is going on, because

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<v Speaker 5>anyone they can make out any situation to be something

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<v Speaker 5>that it's not, so we just never know.

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<v Speaker 4>You just never know.

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<v Speaker 5>But like at the same time, coming to Love Island,

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<v Speaker 5>I was kind of like, I don't think any of

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<v Speaker 5>the boys in here are actually attracted to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say that. I think a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>boys were attracted to you. I think that because of

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<v Speaker 2>the state of mind you're in and how you were

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<v Speaker 2>just like not enjoying the thing. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>hard for anyone to actually like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I push I push people away? Would I do?

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<v Speaker 2>In relationship?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I make it very hard for people to

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<v Speaker 5>even get close to.

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<v Speaker 2>Clo and I do like, yeah, so do you regret

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<v Speaker 2>going on then?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't regret going on it because it obviously opened

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<v Speaker 5>up a lot of avenues for me. I made some

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<v Speaker 5>like amazing friends. I wish I had a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>more support. I wish I had a better understanding of

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<v Speaker 5>what I was going into. And I kind of do

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<v Speaker 5>feel a little bit played by the producers because they

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<v Speaker 5>were like, you know, they scouted me.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were said, promise me that there was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, a grown man, a tall.

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<v Speaker 4>Grown man who was going to be into me. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Was I not there?

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<v Speaker 4>Phoebe Literally your head was in Vanessa's art.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, look, if I had my time again, we

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<v Speaker 2>won't get into that. I've never gone there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, I think one of the best things

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<v Speaker 3>about Love Island is we all made really great friends. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I know you live with Cassie. Still, yeah, you live

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<v Speaker 3>with Cassie. I want to talk about Vanessa because you guys,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys came.

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<v Speaker 1>Off the show we're friends, weren't friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there was the photo where I think you guys

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<v Speaker 3>had taken some photos. Vanessa had posted it on her

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<v Speaker 3>social media, pretended on her only fans that you were

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<v Speaker 3>up there when.

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<v Speaker 1>You weren't, and you were kind of like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>That wasn't so me and Vanessa were friends.

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<v Speaker 5>No, Actually, when she came out of Love Island she

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<v Speaker 5>called me a snake.

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<v Speaker 4>In an interview.

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<v Speaker 2>She called everyone everything, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really care about that.

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<v Speaker 5>And then we became close, and then that's not even

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<v Speaker 5>what the problem was and why we stopped talking.

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<v Speaker 1>We're fine now, so you guys are friends again.

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<v Speaker 4>We're friends again.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're fine. Fine, she stopped talking.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm gonna have to bring up another cast member.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fine, Cartier.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So you stopped talking to Vanessa because of Cartier.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, because I'm going to be opening up

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<v Speaker 5>another can of worms, and it's just like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>friends with Cartier anymore. I'm gonna put that out there

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<v Speaker 5>and I never will be friends with her ever again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeap.

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<v Speaker 5>Right from the start, Vanessa could see something in Cartier

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<v Speaker 5>that a lot of other people couldn't, And so after

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<v Speaker 5>the show I was close with Vanessa and Vanessa I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like she was quite sensitive about me hanging out

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<v Speaker 5>with Cartier.

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<v Speaker 4>Oka, like, you know, we had.

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<v Speaker 5>A little tiff over this the photograph. Yeah, and not

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<v Speaker 5>that I have any issues with the photograph. Of her

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<v Speaker 5>posting it, but I had an issue with just like insinuating.

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<v Speaker 4>That I was on her only fans. I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I kept getting like a million messages from people, and

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<v Speaker 5>it was I just felt a bit overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was a big deal when she did

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<v Speaker 3>that because it was insinuating that you were on her

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<v Speaker 3>only fans when you weren't. And you also didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>any sort of website or anything like that at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>so that was like pushing you out of your comfort zone.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it mean it was like she did ask me

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<v Speaker 5>if she could post the photo. I was fine with it,

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<v Speaker 5>but I didn't like what I wasn't okay with was

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<v Speaker 5>insinuating that I was on on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Website, which is totally fair enough.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I just said to her like, just like,

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<v Speaker 5>let me know if you're gonna post stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just don't want people to think that I'm

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<v Speaker 5>on there when i'm not because I'm getting so many messages.

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<v Speaker 5>And then that sort of put a rift in our relationship,

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<v Speaker 5>and then obviously the Cartier stuff and then she stopped

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<v Speaker 5>talking to me, like I tried to reach out with her,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, I don't want to lose lose

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<v Speaker 5>our friendship, but she just cut me off.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, are you friends with anyone else from the show? Still? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I talked to I think I talked to pretty much everyone,

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<v Speaker 4>apart from obviously. I don't talk to the Twins. Yep,

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<v Speaker 4>don't talk to Cartier Jared.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, and I don't talk to Jared.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'll reply to a couple of your close

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<v Speaker 2>friends stories so I can find him quite funny sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about what happened with Jared?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I don't think this is like public knowledge, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just think it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Like, mate Jared.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I actually think Jared is a harmless like. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't even give him a thought in the day. He's

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<v Speaker 5>just yeah whatever. But you know, how he behaved on

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<v Speaker 5>Love Island, there were some things that were not shown,

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<v Speaker 5>and how he behaved I did not agree with. But

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't make a big deal about it because I'm

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<v Speaker 5>trying to focus on my own life. But then afterwards,

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<v Speaker 5>I just kept seeing this stuff on Instagram that was

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<v Speaker 5>just like kind of very I found it very misogynistic, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and just kind of ridiculous. And I made one little

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<v Speaker 5>comment on one of his posts and and he just

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<v Speaker 5>got he had his sister on me. He had like

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<v Speaker 5>he just can't take any criticism whatsoever. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>what he does on social media is he deletes any

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<v Speaker 5>negative comment or anyone disagreeing with him. But pretty much

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<v Speaker 5>it was he just kept insulting females in the fitness industry.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he was trying to copy what's his name,

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<v Speaker 5>Paul Alima.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing that triggered me the most is when he

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<v Speaker 5>did this post about like, if you're an alcoholic, just

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<v Speaker 5>stop drinking, like, and.

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<v Speaker 4>He went random on about all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was like, first of all, if you're an

0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.040
<v Speaker 5>alcoholic and you like it depending on alcohol, and you

0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.720
<v Speaker 5>just stop cold turkey, you can die.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Like he just.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I saw this other post where he was

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<v Speaker 5>talking about women who have had babies, and I was like, mate,

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<v Speaker 5>you're like twenty four. You come from a very privileged family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The way he.

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<v Speaker 5>Delivers information, especially when it's about female or female issues

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<v Speaker 5>or female people in the fitness industry, it's just so misogynistic.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just made one little comment and he couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>handle it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what, I actually take my hat off

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<v Speaker 3>to you because I remember you. He was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like trying to call people out because he's a pet

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<v Speaker 3>I think, and being like, no one can give advice,

0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.280
<v Speaker 3>and I like, I should only be able to give advice.

0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.760
<v Speaker 3>And he was calling other people out now season for

0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:57.600
<v Speaker 3>doing fitness or like nutritional things or whatever. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I think a guy did it and he said nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>shut up. But the moment a girl was doing something wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>he was all over it or what he classified as

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<v Speaker 3>being wrong.

0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:07.120
<v Speaker 1>He was all over them.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, wow, like, why do you have

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<v Speaker 3>like one rule for women and one rule for men.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not cool.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got issues with women. Yeah, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>On Love Island, you obviously didn't build a connection with

0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.520
<v Speaker 2>any of the guys. Yeah, I blame you.

0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.480
<v Speaker 1>That's you know what.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually got along with Adam really well.

0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.680
<v Speaker 5>And I feel like, yeah, you knew that I got

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<v Speaker 5>along with Adam really well.

0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.720
<v Speaker 3>You guys are always talking. It was like I could

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<v Speaker 3>see that there was a connection with you guys. But

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<v Speaker 3>then I found it weird because Adam was the one

0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.200
<v Speaker 3>who essentially kicked you out of the villa, I know,

0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.600
<v Speaker 3>which was just kind of like, and.

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<v Speaker 4>We talk now. I feel like I have quite a

0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:49.200
<v Speaker 4>good relationship with him.

0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Now, yeah, but I know for a fact that it

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<v Speaker 3>was him and not Cartier, who is like the leader

0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.400
<v Speaker 3>in that decision. So that's I was kind of like,

0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:03.800
<v Speaker 3>that's so strange. But anyway, maybe it's because maybe it's

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<v Speaker 3>because he was in love with me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's like, I hit the golden goosey here,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to get rid of the.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm joking.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joking, all right, So you didn't build a connection

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<v Speaker 2>with any of the guys, so you ended up coupling

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<v Speaker 2>with Cassie in a Love Island first, the first girl

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<v Speaker 2>girl couple. A lot of people said that wasn't genuine?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it genuine?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I can only speak on my behalf. It

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't not genuine. I was like, if I have to

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<v Speaker 5>pick someone who I feel like I have the strongest

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<v Speaker 5>connection to and I have attraction to, it would have

0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:38.760
<v Speaker 5>been cass Cassie.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was a huge moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, you guys basically hadn't told your families that you

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<v Speaker 3>were both attracted to women, and I guess on national television,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys basically put your hands up like, hey, this

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<v Speaker 3>is who I am like, and you know, it was

0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.760
<v Speaker 3>a really like amazing moment like I was so proud

0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.200
<v Speaker 3>of you as a friend. I was like, wow, this

0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.440
<v Speaker 3>is so cool. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit when the camera's like stopped rolling and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys hung out in Sydney and like, you know, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Did anything ever happen or go further with you? Guys?

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone wants Even two years later, I still have messages

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<v Speaker 5>like people like I've had messages from people being like

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<v Speaker 5>you and Cassie live together now and they think that

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<v Speaker 5>like we're actually secretly together.

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<v Speaker 2>Really I see where their heads out on.

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<v Speaker 5>That currently there's nothing going on between me and Cassie.

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<v Speaker 5>But the question is you're asking has there ever and

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<v Speaker 5>what does that mean? And you're asking if we've been intimate?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah maybe, I guess so. Yeah, so you technically like

0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:49.880
<v Speaker 5>live with your ex in a way I can't. I honestly,

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<v Speaker 5>you can't think of these love Island little thingies is

0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.120
<v Speaker 5>like relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just.

0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.920
<v Speaker 5>Like it's just like you know, Well, when I caught

0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:00.920
<v Speaker 5>up with her after the show, she said she considers

0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:01.640
<v Speaker 5>me as her ex.

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<v Speaker 2>I did, but she said she does. Yeah, she's just

0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.439
<v Speaker 2>trying to do And my dumb ass was.

0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:13.320
<v Speaker 5>Like, yeah, okay, you were like, I can't imagine, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Phoebe has a new business venture and we're going

0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:17.240
<v Speaker 3>to talk about that next.

0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:22.800
<v Speaker 2>All right, Phoebe, so we've seen you have a new

0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.200
<v Speaker 2>business venture. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.959
<v Speaker 5>Pretty much, I'm doing essentially only fans, but I'm not

0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.600
<v Speaker 5>on only fans. I have my own website, which is

0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:38.600
<v Speaker 5>Phoebe Thompson dot com, subscribe plug it, So I, honestly

0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.240
<v Speaker 5>I have to feel like, with talking about my website,

0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.280
<v Speaker 5>I have to go back to how I was portrayed

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<v Speaker 5>on Love Island.

0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and what came from that.

0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.560
<v Speaker 5>So me and and I kind of like when we

0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.679
<v Speaker 5>entered the villa, we already had a narrative created for

0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.199
<v Speaker 5>each of us. And I remember seeing after I came out,

0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.399
<v Speaker 5>seeing this article about us, and it was like Anna,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the Aussie girl like girl next door like and.

0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.159
<v Speaker 4>Then Phoebe they're like sexy vixen.

0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:10.600
<v Speaker 5>So Anna was already like the you know, the conservative,

0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.920
<v Speaker 5>the you know, the girl next door, the innocent one.

0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:19.440
<v Speaker 5>And I was already like this, you know, promiscuous, yeah, woman,

0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:20.880
<v Speaker 5>man eat.

0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.119
<v Speaker 4>Or whatever, So that already was set in stone.

0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.479
<v Speaker 5>And then going on the show, and then you know,

0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.560
<v Speaker 5>saying that I'm attracted to girls as well. I feel

0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.480
<v Speaker 5>like women who are bisexual always immediately get put in

0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.840
<v Speaker 5>this category as they're promiscuous. They're over sexualized, even just

0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:40.800
<v Speaker 5>having massive boobs, Like people see massive tits and they think, oh,

0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.440
<v Speaker 5>she's just down to fuck. So you put all those

0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.000
<v Speaker 5>things together. So the narrative that I've the producers had

0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.199
<v Speaker 5>creative me saying I'm attracted to girls as well and

0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.280
<v Speaker 5>having massive tits. And I know that sounds silly, the

0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.000
<v Speaker 5>boobs thing, but it is a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's you know.

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<v Speaker 5>And then coming out of Love Island, I for about

0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.560
<v Speaker 5>a year and a half had so much pressure from

0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.080
<v Speaker 5>people to do only fans and I was like, I've

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.199
<v Speaker 5>just been given this character and everyone wants me to

0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:11.000
<v Speaker 5>be sexualized, and everyone wants me to you know, talk

0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.200
<v Speaker 5>about sex and be about my body and do only fans.

0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:15.520
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, well, fuck it. If that's what

0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.520
<v Speaker 5>you want me to do, then I'll fucking do it.

0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And by everyone, you mean people.

0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.280
<v Speaker 5>Who are following me, and like, you know, I almost

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.040
<v Speaker 5>feel like I've been pressured to be, you know, a

0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:26.000
<v Speaker 5>symbol of sex.

0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.320
<v Speaker 4>You know. I didn't put that on myself. It was

0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:29.919
<v Speaker 4>put on me.

0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I mean, look, I totally agree with you.

0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:35.919
<v Speaker 3>Like when I came out of Love Island, obviously we

0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.359
<v Speaker 3>didn't know what the promo videos they were going to create.

0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.320
<v Speaker 3>We just went to the shooting day and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like said what we had to say, and that was that,

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.560
<v Speaker 3>and then we came off.

0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.680
<v Speaker 1>And there was two videos that were put out.

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<v Speaker 3>The tone was completely different, Like mine's was just like,

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, like playful and fun and happy.

0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Go lucky, and yours was like super sexualized and.

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<v Speaker 4>I was growing black.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like he did.

0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.720
<v Speaker 3>Like a full like like slut drop kind of thing.

0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I did that too, like just FYI like they made

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.439
<v Speaker 3>me do that. They were like and dropped out and

0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.520
<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, but like but yeah, sorry to

0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.560
<v Speaker 3>interrupt you, but like, yeah, they've like they put out

0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:18.199
<v Speaker 3>two wildly different perceptions of us, and it's hard to

0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:23.480
<v Speaker 3>not like fall into the narrative that a producer kind

0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.240
<v Speaker 3>of puts out there so on TV, like the audience,

0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.520
<v Speaker 3>without even knowing either of us, kind of already has

0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.320
<v Speaker 3>like a predetermined idea of what they think of us.

0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as I mean, I'll give my opinion because we

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.960
<v Speaker 2>watched them both before we came in here, and I

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.639
<v Speaker 2>don't I can see what you guys are saying, but

0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.720
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get that from watching it. I didn't know.

0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get that at all. I thought you were

0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.320
<v Speaker 2>just yeah, Phoebe, Like I did not think of it

0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:49.520
<v Speaker 2>as like a premier scurious or anything like that. No,

0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean the music was a bit more, a bit

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.240
<v Speaker 2>more yeah, like like a bit more premiscious. But what

0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.640
<v Speaker 2>you're saying and that it was like normal love Island

0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff that girls say. I didn't get that thought at all.

0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.560
<v Speaker 1>There's just a different time, there was a different tone,

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<v Speaker 1>and just.

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<v Speaker 2>It went straight over my head.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's pretty nice.

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<v Speaker 6>It wouldn't be a shocker. It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't even just the promo, but it was just

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<v Speaker 5>how even the articles and how they spoke about us.

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<v Speaker 1>We were.

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<v Speaker 4>It was polar opposites day and night, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Ying and Yang. It was just they wanted that.

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<v Speaker 5>They wanted Anna to be the good girl and me

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<v Speaker 5>to be the naughty girl, and as the angel, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>the devil.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they always predetermine how people are going to go

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<v Speaker 2>in and what they think they're going to be, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure I was meant to be the dumb

0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.920
<v Speaker 2>model who likes the player, and then they realized, no,

0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 2>he's not really like that, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So sometimes it can change.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's not reality TV.

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<v Speaker 5>Reality TV is like people in the real world going

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<v Speaker 5>in and just being themselves without producers or you know,

0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.959
<v Speaker 5>a channel trying to create that.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, but like happened.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just good for people to know that, Like,

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.440
<v Speaker 3>it's actually when you watch someone on TV, they're being

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.520
<v Speaker 3>made to look in a way that the producer has

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<v Speaker 3>already manufactured.

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<v Speaker 1>In their own head.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually who they are, what they are, what they

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<v Speaker 3>stand for. And I think that's good for people to

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<v Speaker 3>really be aware of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've said it before. If anyone watches reality TV and

0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 2>believes the jargon they're being fed that that's what people

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<v Speaker 2>are like, they should probably question.

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:31.399
<v Speaker 5>But people do people idea. Even so, I've used to

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<v Speaker 5>like love reality TV. I never watch it anymore.

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm just like, what's theme.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if that's real or that's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>who they really are or what you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, look, we've heard you speak about this before,

0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.920
<v Speaker 3>but obviously, as you've just touched on, we were both

0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.080
<v Speaker 3>put into the villa, I guess as polar opposites. And

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<v Speaker 3>you've you've spoken briefly about the Madonna wore complex and

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<v Speaker 3>how you felt like that was.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they want to They do that to women all

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<v Speaker 5>the time. This has been going on for years and

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:06.000
<v Speaker 5>years and years. There's the Madonna hall complex is so like,

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 5>it's so pushed upon women, It's pushed on us when

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 5>we're little girls, I think like do you want to

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<v Speaker 5>be do you want to get married and be virginal

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<v Speaker 5>and be clean and precious or do you want to

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<v Speaker 5>be a whore? Like because and those are the options.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing in between.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing in between.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's the WiFi and then there's the fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Basically, yeah, there's the girl that you marry, that there's

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<v Speaker 5>a girl that you fuck. I feel though, because I

0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 5>developed at such a young age, Yeah, you know, being

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 5>overly sexualized and being sexualized has been prevalent in my

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 5>life since I was really really young. So it's kind

0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 5>of like I'm almost a bit desensitized to it now.

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.400
<v Speaker 5>But I thought at least going on reality TV, I'd

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:50.400
<v Speaker 5>be able to kind of narrate who I really am

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 5>a bit more so, but obviously I didn't get very

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:55.320
<v Speaker 5>long in.

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<v Speaker 4>There, and I was negasaurus.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't really get to show your personality, probably as

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.200
<v Speaker 3>much as you would have liked, and so like therefore,

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 3>you kind of came out feeling a bit like, Ah,

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.919
<v Speaker 3>I just went on this show because I'm hot and

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 3>I got sexualized again, which has been happening to me

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 3>whole life, my whole life, and that was I guess

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 3>something that you went on there to kind of change

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.240
<v Speaker 3>and be like this is who I am. Like love

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 3>me or hate me, but like, this is my personality,

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 3>and unfortunately you were unable.

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:27.760
<v Speaker 1>To do so.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm so sorry, Like you didn't get to do

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<v Speaker 3>that because it's so hard for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks, yeah, understood, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, obviously that was really negative for you. But you've

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 3>basically touched on the fact that you've basically come out

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 3>of Love Island. Everyone has basically been asking.

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:52.880
<v Speaker 1>You from the moment you got out.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have an only fans whereas your only fans

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 3>when you're getting an only fans, and you've kind of caved.

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 4>To the preser, could you say one hundred percent is

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<v Speaker 4>a pressure.

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Only just them asking you, because I know a lot

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 2>of people get asked a lot of the time for

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.879
<v Speaker 2>only fans, Like even I'll get messages to I have

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 2>an only fans and I have no People don't cave

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 2>to the pressure. Why do you think you caved to then?

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Was the money attracted to you? Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, obviously money is a massive bonus, But I

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<v Speaker 5>guess I just feel like I'm never going to be

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 5>able to escape that narrative, yeah, of being you know,

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 5>sexual and like overly sexualized, and that's just like I

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 5>can't I can't escape it anymore.

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, I may as well capitalize off it. Yeah,

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 4>So I'm not going to like suffer from it and

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 4>feel like a victim from it.

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 5>I'm just I'm gonna do what I can to empower

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:46.879
<v Speaker 5>myself from it.

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:48.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, does that make sense?

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And now that you made the decision to actually

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 3>do it, and obviously you've done it number one because

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 3>of pressure, because everyone was kind of like at you because.

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Obviously you're so gorgeous, super sexy.

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 3>People have seen you and been like wow, like if

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 3>only we could get her only fans, then you've kind

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 3>of been I guess in a way pressured into doing it,

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 3>but you in a way were like, well, this is

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.400
<v Speaker 3>going to empower me because I'm taking control of the narrative.

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 3>Do you feel like you feel empowered after like starting it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, Because it's my platform that I control. I feel

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 5>this sense of control over my body, and I feel like,

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 5>as women, a lot of times in our lives, we

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 5>feel like we don't have control over our bodies and

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 5>we're constantly being told what we should be doing with

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 5>our bodies. And even just being having the decision of

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 5>what I post and the fact that I can make

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 5>money off this.

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<v Speaker 4>It truly is empowering. And I wouldn't lie to you.

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I believe you one hundred percent.

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.959
<v Speaker 5>And it was affecting me mentally or I wasn't enjoying it,

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 5>I would not do it because I'm not that much

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 5>of a weaker person that I'm just going to do

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<v Speaker 5>something solely for money.

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 5>And you've got to understand that people that are subscribing

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 5>to you, they're not there to like make you feel

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 5>like shit. They're there because they like admire you in

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 5>some way, and it's not all about like seeing sexy.

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 4>Photos of me.

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 5>I've literally had people subscribe because they just want to

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 5>chat or people ask me relationship advice.

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I subscribed to you for that, to be.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 5>Honest, like, yeah, I've had people just like you know,

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 5>and even a lot of men that are just like,

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 5>I just want to talk to you about like you

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 5>seem like you know, you have some knowledge, like you

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:31.359
<v Speaker 5>know your shit. I just want to talk to you

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.360
<v Speaker 5>about relationship issues and like my emotions, and I've had

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 5>these conversations with men and it's like it's just not

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:38.199
<v Speaker 5>all about that.

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not the most conventional way to make money,

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 2>but obviously the market is flooded these days and a

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of people are doing it. How did your friends

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.439
<v Speaker 2>and family take it when you did it? Were they

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 2>supportive or were they Yes?

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:55.199
<v Speaker 5>So my mom she said to me, as long as

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 5>you're not doing anything like it's hard because it's.

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Like porn, yes, not having sex on.

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 5>There, yeah, like not doing like hardcore stuff like that,

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 5>then she's like that, She's like, go for it.

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 4>She's like when I was at your.

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.400
<v Speaker 5>Age, she said, I had these like amazing nude photos

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 5>taken and they were like her at the beach and

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 5>she literally had one hanging up in our living room.

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 5>I love it, and it was like an insanely beautiful

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 5>photo and I never felt weird about it.

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 4>My mom never felt weird about it.

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 5>And my mum always told me that like nudity and

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 5>photos like that, there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, it's

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 5>like beautiful. So my mom was sort of like absolutely,

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 5>She's like, just do it. Yeah, what if you got

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 5>to lose? You don't want to work in politics. You're

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 5>not a teacher, like you don't, you know what I mean?

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 5>So just like just do it?

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Why not?

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 3>And it's you're so right, Like the human body is

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 3>so beautiful, and it's such a shame that we've been

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 3>conditioned to feel like it's shameful or it should be

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 3>hidden or like you know, women have to cover up

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 3>their nipples, but men can just you know, do.

0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 6>It like they can.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, And so you know, it's such a good

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 3>point that you make, like why not.

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, She's like why not?

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 5>And I just feel like women, even from when we're young,

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 5>we're taught to be like ashamed of our bodies, like

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 5>even ashamed of getting periods and ashamed of having bodily functions.

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 5>And I feel like there's so much shame put on

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 5>women about their bodies that.

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of like taking back that power.

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I always say to like, I even I

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 5>have this like private account on Instagram now it's called

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 5>Phoebe No feels I follow it.

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Or do you?

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 5>And I posted this photo and I said, like, you know,

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 5>my mum always said to me, make sure you get

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 5>some amazing nudes in your life when you're young or

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 5>when you're feeling really good about yourself, so you can

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 5>look back at those photos and think, fuck, I was

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 5>like insane, even if it's just for you.

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And like, you know, I know there's a lot

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 3>of negativity put on only fans or personal websites, but

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I honestly think it's like so positive and you know,

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 3>as long as you're mentally in a good headspace and

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 3>why not.

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I like my mom's parents are very conservative. My

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 5>dad's very conservative, and I get that. And I've had

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 5>like male friends, Like one of my male friends he

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 5>said to me, he's like, I don't have an issue

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 5>with like exclusive content, but he's like, but my parents do.

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 5>So I could never date a girl that had that,

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 5>he's even if I fell in love with her, I

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 5>have no issue with it, but it's just I can't

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 5>my parents and I get that, and I'm like that's fine,

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 5>and I totally respect that.

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and look, that's a really good segue into what

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 3>we wanted to ask you, because obviously you went onto

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Love Island to find love?

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Have you found love?

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 5>This is literally like I get this is another I'm

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 5>getting pressured like as well, like I did with only

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 5>fans about like people just asking me, are you dating anyone?

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 5>It's been years, we've not seen you even like as

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 5>a whiff of like.

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 4>Anyone in your life.

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 5>And I think I just I had such a toxic

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 5>relationship my last relationship I was in with for three

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 5>years that I've kind of now been like, I want

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 5>to be super super private.

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to post.

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 5>Anything on social media on this some we're like married, Like,

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm just keeping that shit to myself because people just

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 5>hurt you and ruin it and disappoint you, and I

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 5>don't want to do that publicly.

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>It's rough.

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's so rough.

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 5>And also people try and sabotage you. So if someone

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 5>knows that you're dating this person, that can be you know,

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 5>the green light to go and start shit to try

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 5>and ruin your relationship. People like hate people who are happy,

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.479
<v Speaker 5>and they try and like sabotage things. So I was like,

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to give any other girl's AMMO or

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 5>any other guy's AMMO to try and like attack anything.

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 4>Special that I have. But yeah, I've definitely I've dated

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 4>since Love Island.

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Anyone's special right now?

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yes, I have been.

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 5>I have been saying a guy, yeah, and I've actually

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 5>known him for like ten years.

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 4>Cool, So I first met him when I was like

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty.

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 2>One, on and off for ten years.

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 5>Or It's kind of weird because like when I met him,

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 5>I broke up with my current boyfriend for six months,

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.719
<v Speaker 5>and in that breakup, I like moved to a different state. Wow,

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 5>And I was kind of like I met him and

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 5>we were like just nothing serious, just very casual, and

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 5>then I left and got back with my boyfriend. We

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.719
<v Speaker 5>always just kept in contact and we never ended up together.

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, he was kind of had his issues and

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 5>I had my issues and whatnot. And I've like, I'll

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 5>openly say, I've got really bad commitment issues. You do,

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 5>and it's mainly just because like I am protecting myself. Yeah,

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 5>and I'm very scared about being vulnerable because I've just

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 5>been so badly hurt.

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's totally understandable.

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Like I just feel like the more toxicity and pain

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>you've gone through, the high those walls become right.

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 4>Oh absolutely, And it's gotten to the point now.

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 5>But after Love Island, I was so like even prior

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 5>to Love Ireland, and after Love Island, I was single

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 5>and it was probably the only time I've been properly

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 5>single for a long period of time since I was

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 5>about fifteen. So I had a lot of emotional baggage

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 5>and trauma from past relationships.

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 4>But now it's gotten.

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 5>It got to the point where I was like so

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 5>comfortable being single that I would not let anyone in.

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 3>But you did so much work on yourself, like talking

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 3>as like your friends.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you you were.

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 3>Single and you were properly single, like you weren't even

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 3>texting anyone, and you were like no, Anna, like I can't,

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 3>I can't do it, Like I'm not letting anyone in

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 3>because I just have to like be alone.

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 5>I have to learn how to be alone, and like

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 5>I need to learn how to regulate my emotions myself,

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 5>and I don't want to crave attention all the time.

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to have to need to do that

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 5>because I feel like when you do that, you just

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 5>attract like pieces of shit because you're like just kind

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 5>of a bit desperate.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you're kind of just willing to go okay,

0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 3>like I'll put up with that, that and that because

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 3>they'll have someone to home to sleep with it.

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 5>Now, Yeah, like I just I just need I need

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 5>to that's the only like I need that security that

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 5>someone wants me. And I was like, I want to

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 5>get rid of that so I don't end up with

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 5>assholes anymore. And I would literally go months without even

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 5>like kissing a guy.

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I remember, but I'm the big core remember.

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 3>But and you know what, that's the crazy thing, Phoebe,

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 3>is that like you don't sleep around at all. Like

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 3>I've known you for two years now, like when we

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 3>were both single, I went out, I was kissed a boy,

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 3>and you were just like home to bed, like honestly,

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 3>and that's it. And there's nothing wrong with that obviously,

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 3>like either way. But like you know, obviously, because you

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 3>have your own website now, like only fans or whatever

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 3>you want to call it, people have this perception of you.

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of like that like wrong perception that

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 3>people have of people on social media or the wrong

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 3>perception people have of people on reality TV. Just because

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:59.319
<v Speaker 3>you have exclusive content does not make you a whole.

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly.

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 5>And I feel like a lot of the time these

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 5>women that are doing these not all of them, but

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 5>like a lot of them that I know, they're not promiscuous.

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:10.400
<v Speaker 4>They just are business savvy.

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 5>They just want to capitalize off everything they possibly can.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:14.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Question, so you're seeing you guy, what's his thoughts on

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 3>you having your exclusive content?

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 5>So obviously, like we've known each other for a really

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 5>long time and like being you know, on and off

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 5>friends and whatnot. Never been together, and he obviously knew

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 5>I was doing the website. But he is like an entrepreneur.

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 5>He's like quite successful in his own right, and he

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 5>is very like he doesn't see things as like he

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 5>doesn't get too emotionally invested in things. He sees it

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 5>as like that's an amazing way to make money that

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 5>you can capitalize off this. So when he, like when

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 5>we started hanging out, he was like, fuck, this is

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:53.280
<v Speaker 5>so sick.

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 4>He loved it.

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 5>He just thought it was like this is the best thing.

0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.439
<v Speaker 5>He was like, if I was a chick, I would

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 5>be doing X y Z. And he even like started

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 5>helping me with the whole business side of things and

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 5>giving me ideas to like, you know, earn more money

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 5>or to generate this or to generate that. Like he

0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 5>was so on board with it and still is and

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 5>even if I'm like slacking or he'd be like, babe,

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 5>you should go and do this, like or do this

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 5>or have you been on you know, you know, just

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 5>very encouraging.

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome because like you guys are seeing it for

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 3>what it is, like it's a business at the end

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 3>of the day.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly. And he's you know, he's a bit older.

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 5>He's like thirty five, So he's not a little boy.

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 5>He's a fucking he's a man, you know what I mean.

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 6>Like that I was looking.

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's never been an issue for you guys or nah.

0:36:56.239 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 5>So one time we did have an argument and he

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 5>fucking brought it up.

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:03.360
<v Speaker 2>What did he say?

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 5>Like I was actually getting a little bit heated towards

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 5>him because of how like his sort of behavior with

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 5>other girls right.

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 4>On social media.

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 5>We all, I feel like every couple has goes with

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.799
<v Speaker 5>a weird thing with like how the other one is

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 5>behaving on social media making comments like that ship, I

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 5>can't handle that ship.

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've just gone through it. It's about setting the

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 2>boundaries and what you.

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 5>Expect and respecting your partner. And to me, it's like

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm very proud. So I'm like, if the guy that

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm seeing is out on Instagram like commenting on other

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 5>girls photos, I'm like, that's it's embarrassing, like and especially.

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 4>Well the thing okay, well, I'm just trying to tell

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm just going to.

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Tell the story.

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.799
<v Speaker 4>We want to hear it, so obviously, like I'm I'm a.

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 5>Model as well, and I'm like, you know, there's a

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 5>pretty big model scene in Sydney, and I noticed a

0:37:56.560 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 5>guy that I was that I'm seeing every single model

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 5>in Sydney, and most of them, I know, every time

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 5>i'd their page would come up, he would be liking.

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Their photos follow it.

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, yeah, yeah, he follows a lot.

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 4>He likes models.

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well I thought he might go out of

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 2>his way and just yeah, yeah, in the Explorers.

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.839
<v Speaker 3>He's following them, he's liking their photos, he's commenting.

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 5>I saw a couple of comments they weren't really like

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 5>they weren't to like sleazy or aggressive or anything. But

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 5>I know what fucking men are doing when they're going

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 5>on and they're liking lots of girls photos that he

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 5>doesn't even know. You know, you're trying to get your attention,

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 5>their attention. Sorry, And especially he's got a type. He

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 5>likes dark skin, dark hair, Like I feel every model

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 5>in Sydney that like has a similar look to me.

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 5>He'd be hard out in there liking their photo and

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 5>its people. But I'm like, mate, you've got a business

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 5>and you're thirty five, how do you have time to

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 5>be liking other bitches photos?

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 3>Like it's true what you're doing, Like, fuck me, it's

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 3>like a beautiful glamazon like stunning woman, Like why what

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 3>is the.

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Need for these guys?

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 5>He's been chasing for like nine years, He's literally been

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 5>chasing me for nine years and now he's and he's

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 5>finally got me, and you are trying to do Pettias

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 5>ship like that. And then I kind of bring it

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 5>up because I'm like, very I'm not I'm not afraid,

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 5>Like I'll just say if I don't like something, I'll

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:28.280
<v Speaker 5>fucking tell you.

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Respect you for it.

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that.

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 5>And he just turns around, he's like, what do you

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 5>This is like, you know, trying to be like you're

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 5>you're being fucking dramatic.

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't mean anything. And then he goes and how

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 4>can you even talk?

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 5>You've got a fucking website And I was like, no, not.

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Like, don't even go don't even go there.

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 5>And the thing is is, I know he doesn't even care.

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 5>He's not triggered by my website at all.

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 4>He loves it. He just hurt it to hurt me.

0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:59.239
<v Speaker 5>And I said, I like, you know, broke it down

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.800
<v Speaker 5>very quickly. I was like, that is so fucking low,

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 5>Like I was doing this before I met you.

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 4>You knew I was doing this, and you've been.

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent encourage and encouraging.

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 5>You can't pick and choose when you want to be like,

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.319
<v Speaker 5>you know, okay with it and supportive. And I'm like,

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.320
<v Speaker 5>what you're doing right now, you're just trying to fucking

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 5>hurt Mexic.

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 4>It's so toxic.

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 5>I was like, if you ever bring up my website

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 5>and an argument again to use against me, like we

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 5>are fucking.

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.879
<v Speaker 4>Done straight up, and he didn't.

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 3>He hasn't brought it up since, but like you know,

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:33.720
<v Speaker 3>who knows something nice?

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Has he liked any girl's photos?

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 5>Since I don't think you understand like I'm a dictator,

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 5>Like I'm like, you cannot even you can't even sneeze

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 5>without me knowing.

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 4>I like the littlest things.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 5>But that comes, I think from being hurt and having

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 5>commitment issues and also self sabotage. Like it hasn't been

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.240
<v Speaker 5>easy for him either, because when things are really good,

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 5>I will find something to have a go at him

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 5>about because I'm scared of things being good in me

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 5>having to like commit.

0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know what, at least you're aware of

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 3>it and you're you know what's happening and if you want,

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 3>hopefully you're stopping those like little self sabotage moments.

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm aware and I become like I have my little

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 5>like being a psycho or whatever, being dramatic, and then

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm it only takes me a couple of hours to

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 5>be like that was like me just trying to sabotage shit. Yeah,

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:38.760
<v Speaker 5>but I feel like a lot of women, I think,

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, we get that stereotype that we're crazy or

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 5>a dramatic, But I feel like a lot of women

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 5>is just coming from a place of like care care

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 5>and fear, like starting arguments or being upset over things

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 5>that don't need to you know, have that much emotion

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:58.800
<v Speaker 5>towards it. But I think you know, a good man

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 5>will be like when you're having your little episode, will

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 5>be like, Babe, like I'm here, You're safe. Yeah, Like

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm not going anywhere.

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:14.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm here. Yeah, it's all around security.

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 5>Everything as we as humans is about being secure and insecure.

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been in scenarios and that hasn't worked.

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 4>But how exactly what did you say about we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Not interviewing me, we're interviewing Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't like you know what, you know what. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>glad you touched on this because it's so true.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if I get upset about something that I'm insecure

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<v Speaker 3>about in past relationships that were classified, I guess it's

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<v Speaker 3>toxic and someone just bites back at me.

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<v Speaker 1>It can start a huge war.

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<v Speaker 4>But it makes you feel more insecure.

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<v Speaker 3>Or insecure, and then it's just like a mountain of

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<v Speaker 3>just like trouble and problems. But the moment someone says, Babe,

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<v Speaker 3>I can see you're really stressed out, I just want

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<v Speaker 3>you to know that I'm here, Like you're saying, are

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<v Speaker 3>you going around?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to abandon you.

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<v Speaker 5>I love you. Like all of this is a safe

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<v Speaker 5>space for you. Affirmation, Yeah, it goes both ways ways

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<v Speaker 5>and like literally it's it's very powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's a lesson that we can all

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<v Speaker 3>and like, if your partner is feeling insecure, you can

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<v Speaker 3>tell them that. But then also like it's good to

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<v Speaker 3>school them and be like, look like this is what

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<v Speaker 3>I need from you in those moments where you can

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<v Speaker 3>tell I'm feeling a little bit maybe irrational, a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit insecure. I feel like it might be like starting

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<v Speaker 3>a fight or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>It is, starting a argument.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like sometimes I can see the words coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of my mouth and I'm like just trying that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, don't do it, and argument starts.

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<v Speaker 3>Phoebe, we could literally talk to you all day. We

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<v Speaker 3>have to get you back on our show, Like this

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<v Speaker 3>has been so amazing. I have so much more stuff

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk to you about.

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<v Speaker 1>This part of the No no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry. I'm going to push for you, toget.

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<v Speaker 1>No no no.

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<v Speaker 3>We genuinely want to have you back on like, I

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<v Speaker 3>have so much more topics that I just feel like

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<v Speaker 3>we can absolutely rip into. Thank you for coming on

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<v Speaker 3>the show. It's been so good to see you. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry I haven't seen you in too long,

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<v Speaker 3>but of course, like you know, at the State of

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<v Speaker 3>the World, I haven't been able to come to Sydney.

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<v Speaker 3>But honestly, thank you for coming on because this has

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<v Speaker 3>been so good, and thank you for being so open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Thanks, it's been a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thanks God. Until next time, guys,