Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming.
Speaker 2: She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of
Speaker 2: my kissing style.
Speaker 1: Boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours. He's in a
Speaker 1: trash bin. He's non recyclable, catching hemmer.
Speaker 2: I love being love, I love love. On today's episode
Speaker 2: of Where's Your Head At, we have Phoebe Thompson, our
Speaker 2: fellow season two Love Islander.
Speaker 3: We'll be talking all things at personal websites, her portrayal
Speaker 3: on Love Island, and her love life post show.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Where's Your Head At.
Speaker 3: Is a podcast that talks all things relationships, breakups, reality TV,
Speaker 3: trending shows, and everything in between.
Speaker 2: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip,
Speaker 2: intimate details, advice, and much more.
Speaker 4: Hey Phoebe, welcome.
Speaker 3: I know you.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen you guys in so long.
Speaker 3: Yes, we've been wanting to catch up with you, and
Speaker 3: we've been so flat out that we were like, we
Speaker 3: have to get her on the podcast. Then we can
Speaker 3: just have like a massive session just having a chat.
Speaker 1: And like, I know I was.
Speaker 2: Saying to Anna before, you might be good friends with Anna,
Speaker 2: but I was pushing for you to get on this podcast,
Speaker 2: if not more than Anna was.
Speaker 1: Really it's not a competition.
Speaker 2: It is what I was saying. I was saying, I
Speaker 2: really want to have a chat with Phoebe on this
Speaker 2: podcast about some of these topics. So let's get her on.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I missed you as well.
Speaker 4: You know you did message me no, thanks, Mat, I
Speaker 4: really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I really wanted you.
Speaker 2: Yes, that shows how much I wanted you on. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, So how's your life been since leaving the
Speaker 2: Love Island villa.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's kind of like very up and down, very emotional,
Speaker 5: you know. I feel like I've come a long way
Speaker 5: in the past two years, and especially like coming out
Speaker 5: of Love Island and being triggered by everything and being
Speaker 5: extremely sensitive to now kind of like kind of rolling
Speaker 5: with it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Do you think it like it almost like made you
Speaker 2: more mature and grow up a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: And it's made me see television and social media and
Speaker 5: everything in a completely different life, and especially the people,
Speaker 5: even the influences and how everything kind of worked. It's
Speaker 5: made me see that in completely different life. And it's
Speaker 5: it's not a positive one I wouldn't say, but.
Speaker 4: In generally and just how kind of fake.
Speaker 5: And how everything's very controlled and people aren't really who
Speaker 5: they who they say they are, who they're you know,
Speaker 5: trying to portray themselves to be on social media.
Speaker 4: It's all kind of it's a brand, right, It's everything's
Speaker 4: a brand.
Speaker 3: And it's always disappointing when you see someone online and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, you're really inspiring or you're this or
Speaker 3: you're that, and then you meet them in real life
Speaker 3: and you're super disappointed with what you get.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh shit, Like that's such a letdown.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's happened so many times with people, and they're
Speaker 5: just like they're really narcissistic and they're really rude, and
Speaker 5: they're cold, and they don't have time for anyone or anything,
Speaker 5: or they need to be the center of attention all
Speaker 5: the time, and if they're not getting that attention then
Speaker 5: they almost sulk.
Speaker 4: I've been in situations like that.
Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing for them.
Speaker 1: Also.
Speaker 3: I've had interactions with people as well where they only
Speaker 3: give people time of day if you have like a
Speaker 3: certain amount of followers, or if you're like if you.
Speaker 2: Can do better for their brand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you have something to offer them, and I
Speaker 3: think it's all transactional, correct, And that's like a real
Speaker 3: testament when you meet someone and you have nothing to
Speaker 3: offer them and they're just kind and like a genuine person,
Speaker 3: And that's so rare to find these days.
Speaker 1: Like we've spoken about this as well.
Speaker 3: It's just it's hard, and as you said, it is
Speaker 3: disappointing when you meet people and they're a bit of
Speaker 3: a letdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it happens quite often.
Speaker 3: Let's go back to Love Island because I remember us
Speaker 3: being on Love Island.
Speaker 1: We entered the villa together, and I remember you were
Speaker 1: having a.
Speaker 3: Really tough time when we first got in there, like
Speaker 3: obviously there's cameras on you twenty four to seven, and
Speaker 3: you were just like.
Speaker 1: Anna, what the fuck have I signed up for?
Speaker 3: Like this is too much, Like I knew I signed
Speaker 3: up to be on a reality TV show. I remember
Speaker 3: you saying this, but like I don't even have any
Speaker 3: privacy to like go to the toilet.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it.
Speaker 5: Was our particular season, because I've seen, you know, maybe
Speaker 5: in other countries or even this very last season there
Speaker 5: was all I don't know if it's to deal with
Speaker 5: like money.
Speaker 4: But I just don't feel like it was very.
Speaker 2: Comfortable in what way, Like how like the.
Speaker 5: Villa, like how we were living, how everything was kind
Speaker 5: of set up.
Speaker 4: I feel like it was very rushed. I felt like
Speaker 4: they didn't have enough money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole live was.
Speaker 2: Set up to not make us feel comfortable. I felt
Speaker 2: like I agree, like like the bright lights, the bright
Speaker 2: even down to how they had set the kitchen up,
Speaker 2: like things are put in an annoying places.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, that's so true to like.
Speaker 2: Walk from one side of the kitchen to get it
Speaker 2: was just all to fuck with us. I felt so.
Speaker 3: You're constantly on edge, You're constantly out of your comfort zone,
Speaker 3: and like like something like tiny could happen and you're
Speaker 3: like bully your right.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: It was so emotional. I wasn't even in there that long,
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 2: Feel how long were you in there for?
Speaker 4: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: A week or something.
Speaker 2: I remember we used to call you now quite mean
Speaker 2: negasaurus Rex walk around all negative.
Speaker 5: I was so off it, like, I was so off.
Speaker 5: I was like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: But you know what, I just feel like you were
Speaker 3: saying what everyone was thinking, like, I was, what the
Speaker 3: fuck have I signed up for?
Speaker 1: But I was like and I just like keep going,
Speaker 1: keep pushing forward.
Speaker 4: Keep pushing forwar.
Speaker 1: But you were like no, this, I was like.
Speaker 4: This, I'm very much like that.
Speaker 5: I find it very hard to like, like, I'm quite
Speaker 5: an emotional person and I have no filter.
Speaker 2: A lot of the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 4: Felt like I got fucked over. Yeah, I just in
Speaker 4: more ways than one coming in there. Yeah, I almost feel.
Speaker 5: Like reality TV in Australia especially, it's just not for
Speaker 5: people of color.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I didn't haven't watched all of the most recent season,
Speaker 5: but I feel like even with Taku, who was very
Speaker 5: popular at the beginning, it's kind of like they looked
Speaker 5: at our season, We're like, oh, we can't just have
Speaker 5: any token black people. Yeah, they need to have some
Speaker 5: sort of, you know, main character. So they had Taku,
Speaker 5: who was like really popular at the beginning, and then
Speaker 5: cue the aesthetic white couple and then Taku gets no
Speaker 5: airtime because they've ticked off that box.
Speaker 4: And I just I don't know, it's like, do you
Speaker 4: reckon that's what it was, or do you reckon?
Speaker 1: He just couldn't find a connection because.
Speaker 3: We did recaps of Love Island, and we were like
Speaker 3: really wanting him to find a connection, and every single
Speaker 3: person that he kind of got with, he was like, nah,
Speaker 3: no connection, no connection, which hats off to him. He
Speaker 3: was like true to himself. But watching it, it felt.
Speaker 2: Like, and they're going to follow someone that's single the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 4: I guess so, but you never know.
Speaker 5: You never know with the editing is going on, because
Speaker 5: anyone they can make out any situation to be something
Speaker 5: that it's not, so we just never know.
Speaker 4: You just never know.
Speaker 5: But like at the same time, coming to Love Island,
Speaker 5: I was kind of like, I don't think any of
Speaker 5: the boys in here are actually attracted to me.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that. I think a lot of the
Speaker 2: boys were attracted to you. I think that because of
Speaker 2: the state of mind you're in and how you were
Speaker 2: just like not enjoying the thing. I think it was
Speaker 2: hard for anyone to actually like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I push I push people away? Would I do?
Speaker 2: In relationship?
Speaker 5: I'm like, I make it very hard for people to
Speaker 5: even get close to.
Speaker 2: Clo and I do like, yeah, so do you regret
Speaker 2: going on then?
Speaker 5: I don't regret going on it because it obviously opened
Speaker 5: up a lot of avenues for me. I made some
Speaker 5: like amazing friends. I wish I had a little bit
Speaker 5: more support. I wish I had a better understanding of
Speaker 5: what I was going into. And I kind of do
Speaker 5: feel a little bit played by the producers because they
Speaker 5: were like, you know, they scouted me.
Speaker 4: And they were said, promise me that there was going
Speaker 4: to be, you.
Speaker 1: Know, a grown man, a tall.
Speaker 4: Grown man who was going to be into me. Like,
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was I not there?
Speaker 4: Phoebe Literally your head was in Vanessa's art.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, look, if I had my time again, we
Speaker 2: won't get into that. I've never gone there.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think one of the best things
Speaker 3: about Love Island is we all made really great friends. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know you live with Cassie. Still, yeah, you live
Speaker 3: with Cassie. I want to talk about Vanessa because you guys,
Speaker 3: you guys came.
Speaker 1: Off the show we're friends, weren't friends.
Speaker 3: Then there was the photo where I think you guys
Speaker 3: had taken some photos. Vanessa had posted it on her
Speaker 3: social media, pretended on her only fans that you were
Speaker 3: up there when.
Speaker 1: You weren't, and you were kind of like, what's going on?
Speaker 4: That wasn't so me and Vanessa were friends.
Speaker 5: No, Actually, when she came out of Love Island she
Speaker 5: called me a snake.
Speaker 4: In an interview.
Speaker 2: She called everyone everything, but I didn't.
Speaker 4: I don't really care about that.
Speaker 5: And then we became close, and then that's not even
Speaker 5: what the problem was and why we stopped talking.
Speaker 1: We're fine now, so you guys are friends again.
Speaker 4: We're friends again.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're fine. Fine, she stopped talking.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna have to bring up another cast member.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, Cartier.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you stopped talking to Vanessa because of Cartier.
Speaker 5: I don't know, because I'm going to be opening up
Speaker 5: another can of worms, and it's just like, I'm not
Speaker 5: friends with Cartier anymore. I'm gonna put that out there
Speaker 5: and I never will be friends with her ever again.
Speaker 2: Yeap.
Speaker 5: Right from the start, Vanessa could see something in Cartier
Speaker 5: that a lot of other people couldn't, And so after
Speaker 5: the show I was close with Vanessa and Vanessa I
Speaker 5: feel like she was quite sensitive about me hanging out
Speaker 5: with Cartier.
Speaker 4: Oka, like, you know, we had.
Speaker 5: A little tiff over this the photograph. Yeah, and not
Speaker 5: that I have any issues with the photograph. Of her
Speaker 5: posting it, but I had an issue with just like insinuating.
Speaker 4: That I was on her only fans. I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I kept getting like a million messages from people, and
Speaker 5: it was I just felt a bit overwhelmed.
Speaker 3: I think it was a big deal when she did
Speaker 3: that because it was insinuating that you were on her
Speaker 3: only fans when you weren't. And you also didn't have
Speaker 3: any sort of website or anything like that at the time,
Speaker 3: so that was like pushing you out of your comfort zone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it mean it was like she did ask me
Speaker 5: if she could post the photo. I was fine with it,
Speaker 5: but I didn't like what I wasn't okay with was
Speaker 5: insinuating that I was on on the.
Speaker 1: Website, which is totally fair enough.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I just said to her like, just like,
Speaker 5: let me know if you're gonna post stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and I just don't want people to think that I'm
Speaker 5: on there when i'm not because I'm getting so many messages.
Speaker 5: And then that sort of put a rift in our relationship,
Speaker 5: and then obviously the Cartier stuff and then she stopped
Speaker 5: talking to me, like I tried to reach out with her,
Speaker 5: and I was like, I don't want to lose lose
Speaker 5: our friendship, but she just cut me off.
Speaker 2: Wow, are you friends with anyone else from the show? Still? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I talked to I think I talked to pretty much everyone,
Speaker 4: apart from obviously. I don't talk to the Twins. Yep,
Speaker 4: don't talk to Cartier Jared.
Speaker 6: Oh, and I don't talk to Jared.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll reply to a couple of your close
Speaker 2: friends stories so I can find him quite funny sometimes.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about what happened with Jared?
Speaker 3: Because I don't think this is like public knowledge, and
Speaker 3: I just think it's.
Speaker 6: Like, mate Jared.
Speaker 5: Okay, I actually think Jared is a harmless like. I
Speaker 5: don't even give him a thought in the day. He's
Speaker 5: just yeah whatever. But you know, how he behaved on
Speaker 5: Love Island, there were some things that were not shown,
Speaker 5: and how he behaved I did not agree with. But
Speaker 5: I didn't make a big deal about it because I'm
Speaker 5: trying to focus on my own life. But then afterwards,
Speaker 5: I just kept seeing this stuff on Instagram that was
Speaker 5: just like kind of very I found it very misogynistic, yeah,
Speaker 5: and just kind of ridiculous. And I made one little
Speaker 5: comment on one of his posts and and he just
Speaker 5: got he had his sister on me. He had like
Speaker 5: he just can't take any criticism whatsoever. And I think
Speaker 5: what he does on social media is he deletes any
Speaker 5: negative comment or anyone disagreeing with him. But pretty much
Speaker 5: it was he just kept insulting females in the fitness industry.
Speaker 5: I think he was trying to copy what's his name,
Speaker 5: Paul Alima.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The thing that triggered me the most is when he
Speaker 5: did this post about like, if you're an alcoholic, just
Speaker 5: stop drinking, like, and.
Speaker 4: He went random on about all this stuff.
Speaker 5: And I was like, first of all, if you're an
Speaker 5: alcoholic and you like it depending on alcohol, and you
Speaker 5: just stop cold turkey, you can die.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like he just.
Speaker 5: And then I saw this other post where he was
Speaker 5: talking about women who have had babies, and I was like, mate,
Speaker 5: you're like twenty four. You come from a very privileged family.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The way he.
Speaker 5: Delivers information, especially when it's about female or female issues
Speaker 5: or female people in the fitness industry, it's just so misogynistic.
Speaker 4: And I just made one little comment and he couldn't
Speaker 4: handle it.
Speaker 3: And you know what, I actually take my hat off
Speaker 3: to you because I remember you. He was kind of
Speaker 3: like trying to call people out because he's a pet
Speaker 3: I think, and being like, no one can give advice,
Speaker 3: and I like, I should only be able to give advice.
Speaker 3: And he was calling other people out now season for
Speaker 3: doing fitness or like nutritional things or whatever. And then
Speaker 3: I think a guy did it and he said nothing,
Speaker 3: shut up. But the moment a girl was doing something wrong,
Speaker 3: he was all over it or what he classified as
Speaker 3: being wrong.
Speaker 1: He was all over them.
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, like, why do you have
Speaker 3: like one rule for women and one rule for men.
Speaker 1: It's not cool.
Speaker 4: He's got issues with women. Yeah, all right, So.
Speaker 2: On Love Island, you obviously didn't build a connection with
Speaker 2: any of the guys. Yeah, I blame you.
Speaker 1: That's you know what.
Speaker 4: Actually got along with Adam really well.
Speaker 5: And I feel like, yeah, you knew that I got
Speaker 5: along with Adam really well.
Speaker 3: You guys are always talking. It was like I could
Speaker 3: see that there was a connection with you guys. But
Speaker 3: then I found it weird because Adam was the one
Speaker 3: who essentially kicked you out of the villa, I know,
Speaker 3: which was just kind of like, and.
Speaker 4: We talk now. I feel like I have quite a
Speaker 4: good relationship with him.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, but I know for a fact that it
Speaker 3: was him and not Cartier, who is like the leader
Speaker 3: in that decision. So that's I was kind of like,
Speaker 3: that's so strange. But anyway, maybe it's because maybe it's
Speaker 3: because he was in love with me.
Speaker 2: I think he's like, I hit the golden goosey here,
Speaker 2: I need to get rid of the.
Speaker 6: I'm joking.
Speaker 2: I'm joking, all right, So you didn't build a connection
Speaker 2: with any of the guys, so you ended up coupling
Speaker 2: with Cassie in a Love Island first, the first girl
Speaker 2: girl couple. A lot of people said that wasn't genuine?
Speaker 2: Was it genuine?
Speaker 5: I mean, I can only speak on my behalf. It
Speaker 5: wasn't not genuine. I was like, if I have to
Speaker 5: pick someone who I feel like I have the strongest
Speaker 5: connection to and I have attraction to, it would have
Speaker 5: been cass Cassie.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a huge moment.
Speaker 3: Like, you guys basically hadn't told your families that you
Speaker 3: were both attracted to women, and I guess on national television,
Speaker 3: you guys basically put your hands up like, hey, this
Speaker 3: is who I am like, and you know, it was
Speaker 3: a really like amazing moment like I was so proud
Speaker 3: of you as a friend. I was like, wow, this
Speaker 3: is so cool. It was.
Speaker 2: It was awesome.
Speaker 3: Shit when the camera's like stopped rolling and like, you know,
Speaker 3: you guys hung out in Sydney and like, you know, whatever.
Speaker 1: Did anything ever happen or go further with you? Guys?
Speaker 5: Everyone wants Even two years later, I still have messages
Speaker 5: like people like I've had messages from people being like
Speaker 5: you and Cassie live together now and they think that
Speaker 5: like we're actually secretly together.
Speaker 2: Really I see where their heads out on.
Speaker 5: That currently there's nothing going on between me and Cassie.
Speaker 5: But the question is you're asking has there ever and
Speaker 5: what does that mean? And you're asking if we've been intimate?
Speaker 5: Yeah maybe, I guess so. Yeah, so you technically like
Speaker 5: live with your ex in a way I can't. I honestly,
Speaker 5: you can't think of these love Island little thingies is
Speaker 5: like relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 5: Like it's just like you know, Well, when I caught
Speaker 5: up with her after the show, she said she considers
Speaker 5: me as her ex.
Speaker 2: I did, but she said she does. Yeah, she's just
Speaker 2: trying to do And my dumb ass was.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, okay, you were like, I can't imagine, Like.
Speaker 3: Okay, Phoebe has a new business venture and we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about that next.
Speaker 2: All right, Phoebe, so we've seen you have a new
Speaker 2: business venture. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Speaker 5: Pretty much, I'm doing essentially only fans, but I'm not
Speaker 5: on only fans. I have my own website, which is
Speaker 5: Phoebe Thompson dot com, subscribe plug it, So I, honestly
Speaker 5: I have to feel like, with talking about my website,
Speaker 5: I have to go back to how I was portrayed
Speaker 5: on Love Island.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what came from that.
Speaker 5: So me and and I kind of like when we
Speaker 5: entered the villa, we already had a narrative created for
Speaker 5: each of us. And I remember seeing after I came out,
Speaker 5: seeing this article about us, and it was like Anna,
Speaker 5: you know, the Aussie girl like girl next door like and.
Speaker 4: Then Phoebe they're like sexy vixen.
Speaker 5: So Anna was already like the you know, the conservative,
Speaker 5: the you know, the girl next door, the innocent one.
Speaker 5: And I was already like this, you know, promiscuous, yeah, woman,
Speaker 5: man eat.
Speaker 4: Or whatever, So that already was set in stone.
Speaker 5: And then going on the show, and then you know,
Speaker 5: saying that I'm attracted to girls as well. I feel
Speaker 5: like women who are bisexual always immediately get put in
Speaker 5: this category as they're promiscuous. They're over sexualized, even just
Speaker 5: having massive boobs, Like people see massive tits and they think, oh,
Speaker 5: she's just down to fuck. So you put all those
Speaker 5: things together. So the narrative that I've the producers had
Speaker 5: creative me saying I'm attracted to girls as well and
Speaker 5: having massive tits. And I know that sounds silly, the
Speaker 5: boobs thing, but it is a thing.
Speaker 4: It's you know.
Speaker 5: And then coming out of Love Island, I for about
Speaker 5: a year and a half had so much pressure from
Speaker 5: people to do only fans and I was like, I've
Speaker 5: just been given this character and everyone wants me to
Speaker 5: be sexualized, and everyone wants me to you know, talk
Speaker 5: about sex and be about my body and do only fans.
Speaker 5: And I was like, well, fuck it. If that's what
Speaker 5: you want me to do, then I'll fucking do it.
Speaker 2: And by everyone, you mean people.
Speaker 5: Who are following me, and like, you know, I almost
Speaker 5: feel like I've been pressured to be, you know, a
Speaker 5: symbol of sex.
Speaker 4: You know. I didn't put that on myself. It was
Speaker 4: put on me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean, look, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3: Like when I came out of Love Island, obviously we
Speaker 3: didn't know what the promo videos they were going to create.
Speaker 3: We just went to the shooting day and you know,
Speaker 3: like said what we had to say, and that was that,
Speaker 3: and then we came off.
Speaker 1: And there was two videos that were put out.
Speaker 3: The tone was completely different, Like mine's was just like,
Speaker 3: you know, like playful and fun and happy.
Speaker 1: Go lucky, and yours was like super sexualized and.
Speaker 4: I was growing black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he did.
Speaker 3: Like a full like like slut drop kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I did that too, like just FYI like they made
Speaker 3: me do that. They were like and dropped out and
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, but like but yeah, sorry to
Speaker 3: interrupt you, but like, yeah, they've like they put out
Speaker 3: two wildly different perceptions of us, and it's hard to
Speaker 3: not like fall into the narrative that a producer kind
Speaker 3: of puts out there so on TV, like the audience,
Speaker 3: without even knowing either of us, kind of already has
Speaker 3: like a predetermined idea of what they think of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I mean, I'll give my opinion because we
Speaker 2: watched them both before we came in here, and I
Speaker 2: don't I can see what you guys are saying, but
Speaker 2: I didn't get that from watching it. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't get that at all. I thought you were
Speaker 2: just yeah, Phoebe, Like I did not think of it
Speaker 2: as like a premier scurious or anything like that. No,
Speaker 2: I mean the music was a bit more, a bit
Speaker 2: more yeah, like like a bit more premiscious. But what
Speaker 2: you're saying and that it was like normal love Island
Speaker 2: stuff that girls say. I didn't get that thought at all.
Speaker 1: There's just a different time, there was a different tone,
Speaker 1: and just.
Speaker 2: It went straight over my head.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty nice.
Speaker 6: It wouldn't be a shocker. It wasn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't even just the promo, but it was just
Speaker 5: how even the articles and how they spoke about us.
Speaker 1: We were.
Speaker 4: It was polar opposites day and night, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: Ying and Yang. It was just they wanted that.
Speaker 5: They wanted Anna to be the good girl and me
Speaker 5: to be the naughty girl, and as the angel, I'm
Speaker 5: the devil.
Speaker 2: Well, they always predetermine how people are going to go
Speaker 2: in and what they think they're going to be, Like
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I was meant to be the dumb
Speaker 2: model who likes the player, and then they realized, no,
Speaker 2: he's not really like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So sometimes it can change.
Speaker 4: But that's not reality TV.
Speaker 5: Reality TV is like people in the real world going
Speaker 5: in and just being themselves without producers or you know,
Speaker 5: a channel trying to create that.
Speaker 4: I know, but like happened.
Speaker 3: But it's just good for people to know that, Like,
Speaker 3: it's actually when you watch someone on TV, they're being
Speaker 3: made to look in a way that the producer has
Speaker 3: already manufactured.
Speaker 1: In their own head.
Speaker 3: It's actually who they are, what they are, what they
Speaker 3: stand for. And I think that's good for people to
Speaker 3: really be aware of that.
Speaker 2: I've said it before. If anyone watches reality TV and
Speaker 2: believes the jargon they're being fed that that's what people
Speaker 2: are like, they should probably question.
Speaker 5: But people do people idea. Even so, I've used to
Speaker 5: like love reality TV. I never watch it anymore.
Speaker 1: Because I'm just like, what's theme.
Speaker 4: I don't even know.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's real or that's you know,
Speaker 5: who they really are or what you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, we've heard you speak about this before,
Speaker 3: but obviously, as you've just touched on, we were both
Speaker 3: put into the villa, I guess as polar opposites. And
Speaker 3: you've you've spoken briefly about the Madonna wore complex and
Speaker 3: how you felt like that was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they want to They do that to women all
Speaker 5: the time. This has been going on for years and
Speaker 5: years and years. There's the Madonna hall complex is so like,
Speaker 5: it's so pushed upon women, It's pushed on us when
Speaker 5: we're little girls, I think like do you want to
Speaker 5: be do you want to get married and be virginal
Speaker 5: and be clean and precious or do you want to
Speaker 5: be a whore? Like because and those are the options.
Speaker 1: There's nothing in between.
Speaker 4: There's nothing in between.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's the WiFi and then there's the fun.
Speaker 5: Basically, yeah, there's the girl that you marry, that there's
Speaker 5: a girl that you fuck. I feel though, because I
Speaker 5: developed at such a young age, Yeah, you know, being
Speaker 5: overly sexualized and being sexualized has been prevalent in my
Speaker 5: life since I was really really young. So it's kind
Speaker 5: of like I'm almost a bit desensitized to it now.
Speaker 5: But I thought at least going on reality TV, I'd
Speaker 5: be able to kind of narrate who I really am
Speaker 5: a bit more so, but obviously I didn't get very
Speaker 5: long in.
Speaker 4: There, and I was negasaurus.
Speaker 3: You didn't really get to show your personality, probably as
Speaker 3: much as you would have liked, and so like therefore,
Speaker 3: you kind of came out feeling a bit like, Ah,
Speaker 3: I just went on this show because I'm hot and
Speaker 3: I got sexualized again, which has been happening to me
Speaker 3: whole life, my whole life, and that was I guess
Speaker 3: something that you went on there to kind of change
Speaker 3: and be like this is who I am. Like love
Speaker 3: me or hate me, but like, this is my personality,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately you were unable.
Speaker 1: To do so.
Speaker 3: So I'm so sorry, Like you didn't get to do
Speaker 3: that because it's so hard for you.
Speaker 4: Thanks, yeah, understood, So.
Speaker 3: Like, obviously that was really negative for you. But you've
Speaker 3: basically touched on the fact that you've basically come out
Speaker 3: of Love Island. Everyone has basically been asking.
Speaker 1: You from the moment you got out.
Speaker 3: Do you have an only fans whereas your only fans
Speaker 3: when you're getting an only fans, and you've kind of caved.
Speaker 4: To the preser, could you say one hundred percent is
Speaker 4: a pressure.
Speaker 2: Only just them asking you, because I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people get asked a lot of the time for
Speaker 2: only fans, Like even I'll get messages to I have
Speaker 2: an only fans and I have no People don't cave
Speaker 2: to the pressure. Why do you think you caved to then?
Speaker 2: Was the money attracted to you? Oh?
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously money is a massive bonus, But I
Speaker 5: guess I just feel like I'm never going to be
Speaker 5: able to escape that narrative, yeah, of being you know,
Speaker 5: sexual and like overly sexualized, and that's just like I
Speaker 5: can't I can't escape it anymore.
Speaker 4: So I was like, I may as well capitalize off it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to like suffer from it and
Speaker 4: feel like a victim from it.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm gonna do what I can to empower
Speaker 5: myself from it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And now that you made the decision to actually
Speaker 3: do it, and obviously you've done it number one because
Speaker 3: of pressure, because everyone was kind of like at you because.
Speaker 1: Obviously you're so gorgeous, super sexy.
Speaker 3: People have seen you and been like wow, like if
Speaker 3: only we could get her only fans, then you've kind
Speaker 3: of been I guess in a way pressured into doing it,
Speaker 3: but you in a way were like, well, this is
Speaker 3: going to empower me because I'm taking control of the narrative.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you feel empowered after like starting it.
Speaker 5: Yes, Because it's my platform that I control. I feel
Speaker 5: this sense of control over my body, and I feel like,
Speaker 5: as women, a lot of times in our lives, we
Speaker 5: feel like we don't have control over our bodies and
Speaker 5: we're constantly being told what we should be doing with
Speaker 5: our bodies. And even just being having the decision of
Speaker 5: what I post and the fact that I can make
Speaker 5: money off this.
Speaker 4: It truly is empowering. And I wouldn't lie to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I believe you one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: And it was affecting me mentally or I wasn't enjoying it,
Speaker 5: I would not do it because I'm not that much
Speaker 5: of a weaker person that I'm just going to do
Speaker 5: something solely for money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And you've got to understand that people that are subscribing
Speaker 5: to you, they're not there to like make you feel
Speaker 5: like shit. They're there because they like admire you in
Speaker 5: some way, and it's not all about like seeing sexy.
Speaker 4: Photos of me.
Speaker 5: I've literally had people subscribe because they just want to
Speaker 5: chat or people ask me relationship advice.
Speaker 1: I subscribed to you for that, to be.
Speaker 5: Honest, like, yeah, I've had people just like you know,
Speaker 5: and even a lot of men that are just like,
Speaker 5: I just want to talk to you about like you
Speaker 5: seem like you know, you have some knowledge, like you
Speaker 5: know your shit. I just want to talk to you
Speaker 5: about relationship issues and like my emotions, and I've had
Speaker 5: these conversations with men and it's like it's just not
Speaker 5: all about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the most conventional way to make money,
Speaker 2: but obviously the market is flooded these days and a
Speaker 2: lot of people are doing it. How did your friends
Speaker 2: and family take it when you did it? Were they
Speaker 2: supportive or were they Yes?
Speaker 5: So my mom she said to me, as long as
Speaker 5: you're not doing anything like it's hard because it's.
Speaker 1: Like porn, yes, not having sex on.
Speaker 5: There, yeah, like not doing like hardcore stuff like that,
Speaker 5: then she's like that, She's like, go for it.
Speaker 4: She's like when I was at your.
Speaker 5: Age, she said, I had these like amazing nude photos
Speaker 5: taken and they were like her at the beach and
Speaker 5: she literally had one hanging up in our living room.
Speaker 5: I love it, and it was like an insanely beautiful
Speaker 5: photo and I never felt weird about it.
Speaker 4: My mom never felt weird about it.
Speaker 5: And my mum always told me that like nudity and
Speaker 5: photos like that, there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: like beautiful. So my mom was sort of like absolutely,
Speaker 5: She's like, just do it. Yeah, what if you got
Speaker 5: to lose? You don't want to work in politics. You're
Speaker 5: not a teacher, like you don't, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So just like just do it?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And it's you're so right, Like the human body is
Speaker 3: so beautiful, and it's such a shame that we've been
Speaker 3: conditioned to feel like it's shameful or it should be
Speaker 3: hidden or like you know, women have to cover up
Speaker 3: their nipples, but men can just you know, do.
Speaker 6: It like they can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And so you know, it's such a good
Speaker 3: point that you make, like why not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, She's like why not?
Speaker 5: And I just feel like women, even from when we're young,
Speaker 5: we're taught to be like ashamed of our bodies, like
Speaker 5: even ashamed of getting periods and ashamed of having bodily functions.
Speaker 5: And I feel like there's so much shame put on
Speaker 5: women about their bodies that.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like taking back that power.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I always say to like, I even I
Speaker 5: have this like private account on Instagram now it's called
Speaker 5: Phoebe No feels I follow it.
Speaker 2: Or do you?
Speaker 5: And I posted this photo and I said, like, you know,
Speaker 5: my mum always said to me, make sure you get
Speaker 5: some amazing nudes in your life when you're young or
Speaker 5: when you're feeling really good about yourself, so you can
Speaker 5: look back at those photos and think, fuck, I was
Speaker 5: like insane, even if it's just for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like, you know, I know there's a lot
Speaker 3: of negativity put on only fans or personal websites, but
Speaker 3: I honestly think it's like so positive and you know,
Speaker 3: as long as you're mentally in a good headspace and
Speaker 3: why not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like my mom's parents are very conservative. My
Speaker 5: dad's very conservative, and I get that. And I've had
Speaker 5: like male friends, Like one of my male friends he
Speaker 5: said to me, he's like, I don't have an issue
Speaker 5: with like exclusive content, but he's like, but my parents do.
Speaker 5: So I could never date a girl that had that,
Speaker 5: he's even if I fell in love with her, I
Speaker 5: have no issue with it, but it's just I can't
Speaker 5: my parents and I get that, and I'm like that's fine,
Speaker 5: and I totally respect that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, that's a really good segue into what
Speaker 3: we wanted to ask you, because obviously you went onto
Speaker 3: Love Island to find love?
Speaker 1: Have you found love?
Speaker 5: This is literally like I get this is another I'm
Speaker 5: getting pressured like as well, like I did with only
Speaker 5: fans about like people just asking me, are you dating anyone?
Speaker 5: It's been years, we've not seen you even like as
Speaker 5: a whiff of like.
Speaker 4: Anyone in your life.
Speaker 5: And I think I just I had such a toxic
Speaker 5: relationship my last relationship I was in with for three
Speaker 5: years that I've kind of now been like, I want
Speaker 5: to be super super private.
Speaker 4: I don't want to post.
Speaker 5: Anything on social media on this some we're like married, Like,
Speaker 5: I'm just keeping that shit to myself because people just
Speaker 5: hurt you and ruin it and disappoint you, and I
Speaker 5: don't want to do that publicly.
Speaker 2: It's rough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so rough.
Speaker 5: And also people try and sabotage you. So if someone
Speaker 5: knows that you're dating this person, that can be you know,
Speaker 5: the green light to go and start shit to try
Speaker 5: and ruin your relationship. People like hate people who are happy,
Speaker 5: and they try and like sabotage things. So I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't want to give any other girl's AMMO or
Speaker 5: any other guy's AMMO to try and like attack anything.
Speaker 4: Special that I have. But yeah, I've definitely I've dated
Speaker 4: since Love Island.
Speaker 2: Anyone's special right now?
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, I have been.
Speaker 5: I have been saying a guy, yeah, and I've actually
Speaker 5: known him for like ten years.
Speaker 4: Cool, So I first met him when I was like
Speaker 4: twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: One, on and off for ten years.
Speaker 5: Or It's kind of weird because like when I met him,
Speaker 5: I broke up with my current boyfriend for six months,
Speaker 5: and in that breakup, I like moved to a different state. Wow,
Speaker 5: And I was kind of like I met him and
Speaker 5: we were like just nothing serious, just very casual, and
Speaker 5: then I left and got back with my boyfriend. We
Speaker 5: always just kept in contact and we never ended up together.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was kind of had his issues and
Speaker 5: I had my issues and whatnot. And I've like, I'll
Speaker 5: openly say, I've got really bad commitment issues. You do,
Speaker 5: and it's mainly just because like I am protecting myself. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I'm very scared about being vulnerable because I've just
Speaker 5: been so badly hurt.
Speaker 1: And that's totally understandable.
Speaker 3: Like I just feel like the more toxicity and pain
Speaker 3: you've gone through, the high those walls become right.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And it's gotten to the point now.
Speaker 5: But after Love Island, I was so like even prior
Speaker 5: to Love Ireland, and after Love Island, I was single
Speaker 5: and it was probably the only time I've been properly
Speaker 5: single for a long period of time since I was
Speaker 5: about fifteen. So I had a lot of emotional baggage
Speaker 5: and trauma from past relationships.
Speaker 4: But now it's gotten.
Speaker 5: It got to the point where I was like so
Speaker 5: comfortable being single that I would not let anyone in.
Speaker 3: But you did so much work on yourself, like talking
Speaker 3: as like your friends.
Speaker 1: Like you you were.
Speaker 3: Single and you were properly single, like you weren't even
Speaker 3: texting anyone, and you were like no, Anna, like I can't,
Speaker 3: I can't do it, Like I'm not letting anyone in
Speaker 3: because I just have to like be alone.
Speaker 5: I have to learn how to be alone, and like
Speaker 5: I need to learn how to regulate my emotions myself,
Speaker 5: and I don't want to crave attention all the time.
Speaker 5: I don't want to have to need to do that
Speaker 5: because I feel like when you do that, you just
Speaker 5: attract like pieces of shit because you're like just kind
Speaker 5: of a bit desperate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're kind of just willing to go okay,
Speaker 3: like I'll put up with that, that and that because
Speaker 3: they'll have someone to home to sleep with it.
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, like I just I just need I need
Speaker 5: to that's the only like I need that security that
Speaker 5: someone wants me. And I was like, I want to
Speaker 5: get rid of that so I don't end up with
Speaker 5: assholes anymore. And I would literally go months without even
Speaker 5: like kissing a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah I remember, but I'm the big core remember.
Speaker 3: But and you know what, that's the crazy thing, Phoebe,
Speaker 3: is that like you don't sleep around at all. Like
Speaker 3: I've known you for two years now, like when we
Speaker 3: were both single, I went out, I was kissed a boy,
Speaker 3: and you were just like home to bed, like honestly,
Speaker 3: and that's it. And there's nothing wrong with that obviously,
Speaker 3: like either way. But like you know, obviously, because you
Speaker 3: have your own website now, like only fans or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it, people have this perception of you.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like that like wrong perception that
Speaker 3: people have of people on social media or the wrong
Speaker 3: perception people have of people on reality TV. Just because
Speaker 3: you have exclusive content does not make you a whole.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: And I feel like a lot of the time these
Speaker 5: women that are doing these not all of them, but
Speaker 5: like a lot of them that I know, they're not promiscuous.
Speaker 4: They just are business savvy.
Speaker 5: They just want to capitalize off everything they possibly can.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Question, so you're seeing you guy, what's his thoughts on
Speaker 3: you having your exclusive content?
Speaker 5: So obviously, like we've known each other for a really
Speaker 5: long time and like being you know, on and off
Speaker 5: friends and whatnot. Never been together, and he obviously knew
Speaker 5: I was doing the website. But he is like an entrepreneur.
Speaker 5: He's like quite successful in his own right, and he
Speaker 5: is very like he doesn't see things as like he
Speaker 5: doesn't get too emotionally invested in things. He sees it
Speaker 5: as like that's an amazing way to make money that
Speaker 5: you can capitalize off this. So when he, like when
Speaker 5: we started hanging out, he was like, fuck, this is
Speaker 5: so sick.
Speaker 4: He loved it.
Speaker 5: He just thought it was like this is the best thing.
Speaker 5: He was like, if I was a chick, I would
Speaker 5: be doing X y Z. And he even like started
Speaker 5: helping me with the whole business side of things and
Speaker 5: giving me ideas to like, you know, earn more money
Speaker 5: or to generate this or to generate that. Like he
Speaker 5: was so on board with it and still is and
Speaker 5: even if I'm like slacking or he'd be like, babe,
Speaker 5: you should go and do this, like or do this
Speaker 5: or have you been on you know, you know, just
Speaker 5: very encouraging.
Speaker 3: That's awesome because like you guys are seeing it for
Speaker 3: what it is, like it's a business at the end
Speaker 3: of the day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. And he's you know, he's a bit older.
Speaker 5: He's like thirty five, So he's not a little boy.
Speaker 5: He's a fucking he's a man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like that I was looking.
Speaker 1: So it's never been an issue for you guys or nah.
Speaker 5: So one time we did have an argument and he
Speaker 5: fucking brought it up.
Speaker 2: What did he say?
Speaker 5: Like I was actually getting a little bit heated towards
Speaker 5: him because of how like his sort of behavior with
Speaker 5: other girls right.
Speaker 4: On social media.
Speaker 5: We all, I feel like every couple has goes with
Speaker 5: a weird thing with like how the other one is
Speaker 5: behaving on social media making comments like that ship, I
Speaker 5: can't handle that ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just gone through it. It's about setting the
Speaker 2: boundaries and what you.
Speaker 5: Expect and respecting your partner. And to me, it's like
Speaker 5: I'm very proud. So I'm like, if the guy that
Speaker 5: I'm seeing is out on Instagram like commenting on other
Speaker 5: girls photos, I'm like, that's it's embarrassing, like and especially.
Speaker 4: Well the thing okay, well, I'm just trying to tell
Speaker 4: I'm just going to.
Speaker 1: Tell the story.
Speaker 4: We want to hear it, so obviously, like I'm I'm a.
Speaker 5: Model as well, and I'm like, you know, there's a
Speaker 5: pretty big model scene in Sydney, and I noticed a
Speaker 5: guy that I was that I'm seeing every single model
Speaker 5: in Sydney, and most of them, I know, every time
Speaker 5: i'd their page would come up, he would be liking.
Speaker 4: Their photos follow it.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, he follows a lot.
Speaker 4: He likes models.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well I thought he might go out of
Speaker 2: his way and just yeah, yeah, in the Explorers.
Speaker 3: He's following them, he's liking their photos, he's commenting.
Speaker 5: I saw a couple of comments they weren't really like
Speaker 5: they weren't to like sleazy or aggressive or anything. But
Speaker 5: I know what fucking men are doing when they're going
Speaker 5: on and they're liking lots of girls photos that he
Speaker 5: doesn't even know. You know, you're trying to get your attention,
Speaker 5: their attention. Sorry, And especially he's got a type. He
Speaker 5: likes dark skin, dark hair, Like I feel every model
Speaker 5: in Sydney that like has a similar look to me.
Speaker 5: He'd be hard out in there liking their photo and
Speaker 5: its people. But I'm like, mate, you've got a business
Speaker 5: and you're thirty five, how do you have time to
Speaker 5: be liking other bitches photos?
Speaker 3: Like it's true what you're doing, Like, fuck me, it's
Speaker 3: like a beautiful glamazon like stunning woman, Like why what
Speaker 3: is the.
Speaker 1: Need for these guys?
Speaker 5: He's been chasing for like nine years, He's literally been
Speaker 5: chasing me for nine years and now he's and he's
Speaker 5: finally got me, and you are trying to do Pettias
Speaker 5: ship like that. And then I kind of bring it
Speaker 5: up because I'm like, very I'm not I'm not afraid,
Speaker 5: Like I'll just say if I don't like something, I'll
Speaker 5: fucking tell you.
Speaker 2: Respect you for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 5: And he just turns around, he's like, what do you
Speaker 5: This is like, you know, trying to be like you're
Speaker 5: you're being fucking dramatic.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean anything. And then he goes and how
Speaker 4: can you even talk?
Speaker 5: You've got a fucking website And I was like, no, not.
Speaker 1: Like, don't even go don't even go there.
Speaker 5: And the thing is is, I know he doesn't even care.
Speaker 5: He's not triggered by my website at all.
Speaker 4: He loves it. He just hurt it to hurt me.
Speaker 5: And I said, I like, you know, broke it down
Speaker 5: very quickly. I was like, that is so fucking low,
Speaker 5: Like I was doing this before I met you.
Speaker 4: You knew I was doing this, and you've been.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent encourage and encouraging.
Speaker 5: You can't pick and choose when you want to be like,
Speaker 5: you know, okay with it and supportive. And I'm like,
Speaker 5: what you're doing right now, you're just trying to fucking
Speaker 5: hurt Mexic.
Speaker 4: It's so toxic.
Speaker 5: I was like, if you ever bring up my website
Speaker 5: and an argument again to use against me, like we
Speaker 5: are fucking.
Speaker 4: Done straight up, and he didn't.
Speaker 3: He hasn't brought it up since, but like you know,
Speaker 3: who knows something nice?
Speaker 2: Has he liked any girl's photos?
Speaker 5: Since I don't think you understand like I'm a dictator,
Speaker 5: Like I'm like, you cannot even you can't even sneeze
Speaker 5: without me knowing.
Speaker 4: I like the littlest things.
Speaker 5: But that comes, I think from being hurt and having
Speaker 5: commitment issues and also self sabotage. Like it hasn't been
Speaker 5: easy for him either, because when things are really good,
Speaker 5: I will find something to have a go at him
Speaker 5: about because I'm scared of things being good in me
Speaker 5: having to like commit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, at least you're aware of
Speaker 3: it and you're you know what's happening and if you want,
Speaker 3: hopefully you're stopping those like little self sabotage moments.
Speaker 5: I'm aware and I become like I have my little
Speaker 5: like being a psycho or whatever, being dramatic, and then
Speaker 5: I'm it only takes me a couple of hours to
Speaker 5: be like that was like me just trying to sabotage shit. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I feel like a lot of women, I think,
Speaker 5: you know, we get that stereotype that we're crazy or
Speaker 5: a dramatic, But I feel like a lot of women
Speaker 5: is just coming from a place of like care care
Speaker 5: and fear, like starting arguments or being upset over things
Speaker 5: that don't need to you know, have that much emotion
Speaker 5: towards it. But I think you know, a good man
Speaker 5: will be like when you're having your little episode, will
Speaker 5: be like, Babe, like I'm here, You're safe. Yeah, Like
Speaker 5: I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: I'm here. Yeah, it's all around security.
Speaker 5: Everything as we as humans is about being secure and insecure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in scenarios and that hasn't worked.
Speaker 4: But how exactly what did you say about we're.
Speaker 2: Not interviewing me, we're interviewing Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Can't like you know what, you know what. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you touched on this because it's so true.
Speaker 3: Like if I get upset about something that I'm insecure
Speaker 3: about in past relationships that were classified, I guess it's
Speaker 3: toxic and someone just bites back at me.
Speaker 1: It can start a huge war.
Speaker 4: But it makes you feel more insecure.
Speaker 3: Or insecure, and then it's just like a mountain of
Speaker 3: just like trouble and problems. But the moment someone says, Babe,
Speaker 3: I can see you're really stressed out, I just want
Speaker 3: you to know that I'm here, Like you're saying, are
Speaker 3: you going around?
Speaker 4: I'm not going to abandon you.
Speaker 5: I love you. Like all of this is a safe
Speaker 5: space for you. Affirmation, Yeah, it goes both ways ways
Speaker 5: and like literally it's it's very powerful.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a lesson that we can all
Speaker 3: and like, if your partner is feeling insecure, you can
Speaker 3: tell them that. But then also like it's good to
Speaker 3: school them and be like, look like this is what
Speaker 3: I need from you in those moments where you can
Speaker 3: tell I'm feeling a little bit maybe irrational, a little
Speaker 3: bit insecure. I feel like it might be like starting
Speaker 3: a fight or whatever.
Speaker 6: It is, starting a argument.
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes I can see the words coming
Speaker 2: out of my mouth and I'm like just trying that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, don't do it, and argument starts.
Speaker 3: Phoebe, we could literally talk to you all day. We
Speaker 3: have to get you back on our show, Like this
Speaker 3: has been so amazing. I have so much more stuff
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: This part of the No no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. I'm going to push for you, toget.
Speaker 1: No no no.
Speaker 3: We genuinely want to have you back on like, I
Speaker 3: have so much more topics that I just feel like
Speaker 3: we can absolutely rip into. Thank you for coming on
Speaker 3: the show. It's been so good to see you. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry I haven't seen you in too long,
Speaker 3: but of course, like you know, at the State of
Speaker 3: the World, I haven't been able to come to Sydney.
Speaker 3: But honestly, thank you for coming on because this has
Speaker 3: been so good, and thank you for being so open.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks God. Until next time, guys,