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Speaker 1: James Lachlan, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Taylor. So good to see him, man, pleasure

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Speaker 2: to be here.

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Speaker 3: I think I might have all the swear words out

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Speaker 3: of my system before week.

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Speaker 1: You know, no fun, Oh Jesus Christ. Just for the listeners.

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Speaker 3: I'm having such tech issues. It's just like I'm a

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Speaker 3: moppet on this end. But I actually think it's the technology.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's me.

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Speaker 1: I would agree, Thank you, Thank you, James.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so we are going to talk all things

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Speaker 3: high performance.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: You are a globally recognized high performance coach, a seven

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Speaker 3: time world champion musician, so you're what I call a

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Speaker 3: p academic, all right, somebody who's actually been there, done that,

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Speaker 3: and then dug into what behind it, and I coaches

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Speaker 3: other people on it. Right, And you happen to be

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Speaker 3: from about thirty miles or twenty miles down the road

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Speaker 3: for me, as it turns out, And I was a

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Speaker 3: guest on your podcast just the other day.

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Speaker 1: By synchronicity.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable how it happened that. God, we need to

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Speaker 2: get you on about another ten times with so much

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Speaker 2: to chat about.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was actually a fun podcast, but let's focus

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Speaker 1: on it.

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Speaker 3: So when did you When did you leave Northern Ireland

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Speaker 3: and were you under witness protection?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the relocation program possibly. So I left in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and four to Vancouver, Canada, and then went back

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. So I've been here twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Right, okay, and by Vancouver first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So had two options at lisburn or Vancouver. So

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Speaker 2: for those that listen that don't know if Lisburne it's

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Speaker 2: a little town in Northern Ireland, so which.

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Speaker 3: I ended up living about ten miles away from that

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Speaker 3: place called Moyer. Used to I used to hang out

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Speaker 3: in Lisburne quite a lot.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant, I love it well. The thing the two reasons

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Speaker 2: Marshall Montgomery there in lisbon I remember that, bloody brilliant

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Speaker 2: And the other one is Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada.

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Speaker 2: So when that opportunity came up, I shot shot straight

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Speaker 3: Do you know, my Yeah, I just had a flashback

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Speaker 3: when you said Lisburne, it's probably oversharing with listeners.

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Speaker 3: My prevailing memories of Lisburton is getting head butted. One

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Speaker 1: They were drunk. They were a lot older than me,

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Speaker 1: and one of them come up. They came up to

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Speaker 2: You know where you're going as a certain letter, you'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you go ab cd EFG and I went

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Speaker 3: In the udall right, this guy called Skippy and I

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Speaker 3: But that that is one of the two times in

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Speaker 3: my life that I was actually a freeing from my life.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you share that, because I'm always a

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Speaker 2: freidy share my stories. Northern Ireland people think, Ah, that

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Speaker 3: Right, how you pronounced that letter is driven by what

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Speaker 3: So if you're a left for like I was, I'm

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Speaker 3: being in recovery for nearly thirty years. I was born

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Speaker 2: Nobody in the world would know that, right, except for

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm glad you're here to tell the story.

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Speaker 3: A little micro trauma to start the podcast is obviously, well,

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Speaker 1: Tell us.

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Speaker 3: When did you realize that the skills and processes that

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Speaker 3: When did you realize that they were transferable and that there.

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Speaker 1: Was actually a system behind it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. Not till thirty years of age. I

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Speaker 2: a bit worried because I was James the Drummer. I

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Speaker 2: you know, what could I do? I need to go

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Speaker 2: and get a piece of paper. So Otago University here

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Speaker 2: real life existence. The last year you're going to unpack

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Speaker 3: So this is a degree that is specifically for people

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Speaker 2: A lot of athletes, like a lot of my clients

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Speaker 2: who have been professionals, like all Blacks and Crusaders, they've

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Speaker 2: all done exact same course where it's like, hey, we

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Speaker 2: How can we get some theory behind that's some understanding

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Speaker 2: that give me confidence to go, there's something behind this.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I've never heard of a university degree

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Speaker 3: like that, and it just it makes so much bloody sense.

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Speaker 1: It's like a real word.

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Speaker 3: I suppose the closest thing to that that that I'm

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Speaker 3: makes us a shitload more sense.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 3: And so let's like, let's let's talk about high performance

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Speaker 3: in general and why you talk about getting radically clear?

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Speaker 2: So few people know what they want. When someone comes

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Speaker 2: Society, their church, whatever it might be get radically clear

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Speaker 3: And how do you how do you help people understand

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Speaker 2: Once we get into those mid twenties, that's the time

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Speaker 2: to get radically clear. Where do I want to go?

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Speaker 2: What does success look like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's that's critical.

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Speaker 3: So my daughter is nigh and nine teen and she's

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Speaker 1: Of person you want to be.

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Speaker 2: will be greater. I said, well, how do you work

439
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 2: on that sleep thing? He says, well, same time to bed,

440
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: same time, wake up, very comfortable, mattress and pillow that

441
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: we fly to Miami, Melbourne, Aba, Dabi, wherever he flies.

442
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 2: All that stuff goes with them because sleep is where

443
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: it's at. Most of us are willing to have shit sleep.

444
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: I did four or five hours. Look at me, you

445
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: know doing it tough. That's not something to celebrate.

446
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: Like.

447
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: We've got to prioritize our sleep and none of us

448
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: are going to be perfect. But meds once a month,

449
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: which one's the lowest ranking, and just focus on that

450
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Speaker 2: one for the month ahead. How could I sleep a

451
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: little better? Could I cool my room down? Could I

452
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: maybe have you know, say caffeine. Caffeine has a quarter

453
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Speaker 2: life of twelve hours. So you say you have a

454
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Speaker 2: cup of coffee at ten thirty am, Well you need

455
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Speaker 2: to know at ten thirty PM of that caffeine still

456
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: running through your system actively. So maybe have your last

457
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Speaker 2: one at nine or eight in the morning. Get up early,

458
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: have an early coffee, and enjoy it. But these simple things,

459
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: just we tweaks, one habit a month could really shift

460
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Speaker 2: those meds and allow us to stay in the game

461
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Speaker 2: a bit longer.

462
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Speaker 3: I love that there's a monthly audit of that because

463
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: you know, we talked about belief systems, and you talked

464
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: about wiring your Brian. Like those four things that maids,

465
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 3: the mental train, the exercise to a sleep, they are

466
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 3: the essential ingredients of neuroplasticity, the ability to change and

467
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: rewhy you're brilling and the exercise particularly creates all the

468
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: conditions necessary for neuroplasticity. Right, something called BDNF and brain

469
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Speaker 3: drive neurotropic factor that helps you to grow new brand sales,

470
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Speaker 3: create new connections.

471
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Speaker 2: Right. You can only do that when we're exercising, right, Paul,

472
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Speaker 2: You can't do that any other way. There's no exactly

473
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Speaker 2: BDNF no know.

474
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Speaker 3: And and and there's drug companies all around the world

475
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Speaker 3: trying to develop b d NF in pill form and

476
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: to the point where you can take and cross the

477
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Speaker 3: Bloodbury and barrier. And I tell you what, the first

478
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Speaker 3: drug company to take out a patent on that, I

479
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: will sell my businesses, sell my house, pawn my children,

480
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 3: and buy shares in that. You heard it here for

481
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: folks exactly, but I mean the diet thing as well.

482
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: And a lot of people don't realize this, Like everything

483
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: that goes in your gub influences your gene expression.

484
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Speaker 2: And either regulates you know, bad or negative things are downregulates. Essentially,

485
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: every single thing is upregulating or downregulating gene expression, which

486
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: autoimmune disease, like you're either eating your way towards it

487
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: or away from it.

488
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and and and supporting you know, diet supports

489
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Speaker 3: all of the chemical reactions, like we are an ecosystem

490
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Speaker 3: that relies on external imputs to be uptimal, right, and

491
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Speaker 3: some of those inputs being that what you stick in

492
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Speaker 3: your gub, how much you move your body, and that

493
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: recovery like you're talking about George Russell and flying it right.

494
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Speaker 3: You know, I pick my hotels because I travel a lot,

495
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 3: as you probably do with corporate speaking, And I pick

496
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Speaker 3: my hotels based on the comfort level of the bed.

497
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Speaker 1: And the pillow.

498
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: And sometimes if I'm going away for a while i've

499
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Speaker 3: got space, I'll take my own pillow with me.

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Speaker 2: Rightly, the small things that are the big things.

501
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah up.

502
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: And is that so many people think setting goals and

503
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Speaker 2: being a high performer and winning in whatever realm that

504
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: it's psychological. It's about thinking. Yes, that's a component, but

505
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: there's a massive physiological component too.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

507
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Speaker 2: Like, you can have the greatest goals and the greatest

508
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: system and the greatest plans and coach and everything, but

509
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Speaker 2: if your internal system, let's say, your neurotransmitters are not

510
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Speaker 2: supporting that, you're not going to be motivated to do

511
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: the work, best plan, no motivation, you won't get the outcome.

512
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you are preaching to the converted here, because

513
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 3: I'm all about a psychophysiological approach.

514
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I call myself not a psychophysiologist.

515
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: I love that.

516
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not a psychologists or an exercise or a physiologist.

517
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm a psychophysiologist. Because you've got like the brain controls

518
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: everything your body does, but it's completely dependent upon the

519
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: health of your body for optimal functioning.

520
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Speaker 1: Right, I guess if there's one, I mean, we are

521
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: are clearly very aligned on that.

522
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Speaker 3: And if there's probably one take home for listeners, it's

523
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Speaker 3: that thing like Brian and anybody who told you brain

524
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: and body are fucking separate entities is full of mad

525
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Speaker 3: dog shite.

526
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Speaker 1: As you used to say, run a mile.

527
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Speaker 3: So mean, let's talk about hormones and neurotransmitters because you

528
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Speaker 3: mention those in your book.

529
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Speaker 1: And what role did a play in peak performance?

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah, significance. So I guess first things First, neurotransmitters, people

531
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Speaker 2: might go, Can I go and get those measured? It's

532
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: quite impractical to try and measure and real transmitter. However,

533
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: through habits and behavior, you can moderate them, you can

534
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: enhance them to work for you. So that's probably the

535
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: first thing. A couple of ones people should be aware of.

536
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: No epinephrine, endorphins, dopamine, and seratonin. Those are four really

537
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: key neural transmitters that if they're out of whack and

538
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: they're not serving us, good luck chasing your goals. You know,

539
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: if you take something like a dopamine. You've got a

540
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 2: rat that is absolutely starving, starving, However, it's got dopamine depleted.

541
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Speaker 2: They've removed the dopamine from its system. If you put food,

542
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: and this has been tested right in front of that rat,

543
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: I mean, it will not move towards that food. It

544
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: has no motivation. There's no dopamine to motivate it to

545
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: move towards its goal, which is to eat because it's

546
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: been starved forever. And yeah, I don't believe in animal testing,

547
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: but that's a very very helpful piece of knowledge as

548
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: a human. If you don't have your dopamine in order,

549
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: and you're maybe having dopamine crashes and you're exposing yourself

550
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: to too many dopamine hits with social media, alcohol, porn,

551
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: whatever it might be, I promise you you're not going

552
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: to have the dopamine balance to chase your goals. You're

553
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: going to be starved of it. So people need to

554
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: realize there's ways that we can influence and not manipulate,

555
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: but we can influence these neurotransmitters.

556
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Speaker 3: Cold therapy, yeah, sleep massive massive increase in dopamine by

557
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: getting into cold water, and it persists for fucking hours.

558
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: Literally yeah, like most of the day. And that's why

559
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: people who do cold therapy, even a cold shower, they

560
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: come out like ready to take on the world. Their

561
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: their voice pitch is elevated, their energy levels have elevated.

562
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: They are willing to take on challenges and not bicker

563
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: and complain like.

564
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Speaker 1: And sorry sorry James.

565
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: Because it also as well as released in dopamine releases

566
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: no epneffort or no adrenaline, which is about focused attention.

567
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: So you have focused tension, motivation, mood enhancement, all from

568
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: turning that lovely bomb charticle for thirty seconds.

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Speaker 2: I think how simple is that it costs you nothing.

570
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't come in a pillbox. That when I talk

571
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: about these neurotransmitters, like do everything you can in your

572
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: power to influence them in a holistic way. Meditation incredibly helpful.

573
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: So if we take something like a cortisol, we need it,

574
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: but we don't need as much as some of us

575
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: are getting, so meditation helps to bring that back. Also meditation,

576
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: I was chatting to a leading longevity expert out of California. Recently,

577
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: him and Peter Attia wrote a book called Outlive. Yeah,

578
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: brilliant book, and we're just chatting about meditation, he says,

579
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: if you've seen the research, he says, men are after

580
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: thirty five to starsterone starts to go down and eventually

581
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: starts plummeting. His meditation has been shown if we do

582
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: it twice a day for two to five minutes, starts

583
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: the level at and then eventually we start to see

584
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: natural incline intotosterone.

585
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Speaker 1: Really I did not know that. Wow.

586
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: I was blown away because I'm like, great, I'll keep

587
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: keep meditating. So that was quite fascinating.

588
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

589
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: Wow, these new transmitters, don't you know, don't downplay them.

590
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: They are a thing. They are very important in our motivation.

591
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: If you're looking for Tony Robbins every Monday and Tuesday

592
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, stop with that crap. I mean, he's amazing

593
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: at what he does. But don't don't rely on that crap.

594
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: Sort your bloody hormones out, you know, and you don't

595
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: need injections. Some of you go to your GP. That great,

596
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: that's awesome, but most of us can manage these things

597
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: through changing our habits and our behavior.

598
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: And I think the key thing I really want to

599
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: double click on the dopamine.

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Speaker 2: How's the lady who wrote the professor Anna Lemke Nation one.

601
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she highlights a whole heap of research in

602
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: that which is really cool, research that shows that there's

603
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: a difference between cheap and easy dopamine and dopamine that

604
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: you earn, right, So cheap and easy you talked to

605
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: them things like pornography and food, alcohol, drugs, scrolling, right,

606
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: this is why we get addicted and our kids get

607
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: addicted to smartphones.

608
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: Is that scrolling those little dopamine.

609
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: Hits and the surprise that you get the novel type right,

610
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: is something that just keeps you doing that. But she

611
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: has shown anything that's cheap and easy dopamine. I mean,

612
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: she talks about the research that shows that you get

613
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: a dopamine crash afterwards, which is what you talked about.

614
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: Whereas dopamine that you need to earn through exercise or

615
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: cold exposure by doing something hard means that that dopamine

616
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: that you get from that persist for a long period

617
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: of time and name when it drops, it just drops

618
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: the physiological levels, whereas the easy doublemine it drops underneath.

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Speaker 1: That's why you feel shitous after.

620
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: Of course, you feel depleted, you feel down, you feel

621
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: maybe even depressed or anxious like things like take the stairs.

622
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: You know, you jump in an elevator and you go

623
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: up twenty floors, you get out the elevator, there's no

624
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: sense of reward. You take the stairs, You're going to

625
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: get to the top and feel like a champ. That's

626
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: a really beautiful dobamine release an instrument like drumming. I

627
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: didn't become a world champion overnight. I was not an

628
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: overnight sensation. There was probably five to six thousand hours

629
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: of practice before I won my first world championship, maybe

630
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: even more. But sitting down for an hour and playing

631
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: a pattern over and over and over and over for

632
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: an hour signs boring as hell. But I'll tell you what,

633
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: when I got to the end of the hour and

634
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: I could play a little bit better and a little

635
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: bit faster, felt pretty good for the rest of the day. Yeah,

636
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: what's looking for those delayed gratification way to gain that?

637
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said we need to talk about delay gratification

638
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: in a bit, so make a note of that.

639
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: But it's just the other.

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00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: Thing I wanted to to just mention around dopamine is

641
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: there's so much research out here ei there not that

642
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: shows that your brain releases dopamine when it knows it's

643
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: in forward motion towards your goal. So that comes back

644
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: to your whole idea about getting radically clear on what

645
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: you want, because when your when you set goals and

646
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: you're focusing in and chasing a goal and you're doing

647
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: actions towards it, that's what releases dopamin. I always say

648
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Speaker 3: to people who there's many people sitting waiting for the

649
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: fucking motivation. Fair you knows what I said to people.

650
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: If you want the motivation for her to come, get

651
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: started right, get acting towards your goal.

652
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: But it's got to be towards your.

653
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: Goal because it's about goal directed behavior and that's what

654
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: gives you the motivation to continue.

655
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Speaker 2: And if I think of dopamine, you set your goal.

656
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: So I was working with Canterbury rugby team and you

657
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: know we're talking about, you know, why is the season

658
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: not looking the way we'd want it to look. I said, well,

659
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: let's go back to the games and let's go into

660
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: the micro moments. He says, why did you not celebrate

661
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: that tackle, Why did you not celebrate that pass? Why

662
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: did you not celebrate that good kick? You celebrated the try,

663
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: but there wasn't nearly enough tries Why you're not celebrating

664
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: the micro goals along the way.

665
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that releases dope.

666
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: I meane every time you celebrate a little moment. I

667
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: you know, I got my book out tonight before I

668
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: went to bed. I read three pages bloody, brilliant. That's

669
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: a little moment. Celebrate that. So we've got to take

670
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: a moment to actually celebrate the mini victories. That's going

671
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: to help.

672
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I see there's research on that.

673
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: I remember, you've you've just tweaked back memory that are

674
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: triggered it that you need to celebrate your wins, save

675
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: them for about ten to twelve seconds for them to

676
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: impact upon your brain and.

677
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: Your reward pathways.

678
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: So many people just go, oh yeah, move on, move on,

679
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: slow down, save, celebrate.

680
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Fucking hell, all that hard work was worth totally.

681
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: And I mean the toughest guys I work with, whether

682
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: they're special forces athletes, are you know, big important businessmen

683
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: like journal have a journal. Get your pen out and

684
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: write about your feelings, right about your achievements, right about

685
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: your challenges. That's one of the cheapest and most powerful

686
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: self development tools there is out there.

687
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely concur with that, and I need to

688
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: get friggin' better.

689
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: I think Carlag's brilliant at it.

690
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: I am so hit and miss, but when I do it,

691
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: it is actually really really useful, right, And I love

692
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: the whole stoic idea of Mars Aurelius talks about, you know,

693
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: when you get up in the morning, and I kind

694
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: of do it mentally. I don't write it down, but

695
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: I think there is value in doing that. Is like,

696
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: who do you want to be today? What sort of

697
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: person you want to be? What sort of values do

698
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: you want to exhibit today? And then at the end

699
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: of the day, and you're on it. Here's what I said.

700
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: I was going to do what worked well, what didn't right?

701
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: That whole process of observing your behavior. It's like you

702
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: do talk about taking your med's monthly. It's that observation around.

703
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: Here's what I said I wanted to do. How did

704
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: I do? We've got to keep ourselves in check.

705
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: No one else is, no one else cares nearly enough

706
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: to check in on us with our goals, with our

707
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: self discipline.

708
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: It's our job.

709
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: And you've got to participate in your own rescue. And

710
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: like every day.

711
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: I like it. Yes, that's very cool.

712
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, participating in your own rescue and participating in your

713
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: own fucking destiny too.

714
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

715
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: Now, let's talk about because you're a little bit critical

716
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: around traditional education and how it kind of comes up

717
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: short when it comes to peak performance.

718
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: So what do you mean by that?

719
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Look, I think there's so many constraints around traditional education.

720
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: It's got its place, and there's a lot of it

721
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: that I do admire and love. However, for the individual

722
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: who think differently, for the individual who wants to take

723
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: a different path, the education system's not set up to

724
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: support them at all. And when you see high performers,

725
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: you know, people that are credible athletes, people who are

726
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 2: you know, incredible creatives, the education system usually doesn't serve

727
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: them very well in their formative and often stifle them.

728
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: It does.

729
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: And so how many people are we losing out on

730
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: that could actually be you know, the next Beethoven, the

731
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: next Michael Phelps. They might never make that because the

732
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: education system doesn't make room for that creativity. And even

733
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: I was chatting with our former Prime minister recently, we're

734
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: talking about critical thinking. The way it's set up, it's

735
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: now discouraging critical thinking. The ability to use your mind.

736
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: It's like, how do we just get on laptops at

737
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: year two, year three and use chat GBT, use your nuggin,

738
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: like use your brain. So I firmly believe that traditional

739
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: education has its place, but it's a parent's duty to

740
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: fill the void, fill that gap, help your kids at.

741
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: Big goals at school.

742
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: You're not certainly New Zealand. I'm sure it's similar in Australia.

743
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: You're not encouraged to have massive dreams like and celebrate

744
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: in this tall poppy syndrome thing.

745
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's big in Australia.

746
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: Yah massive.

747
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: How sad is that? It's awful?

748
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: So I judge to James, sorry for our international listeners.

749
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: I think all the Ausies and Keywis would understand tall

750
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: poppy syndrome, but just explain it for maybe some of

751
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: the international listeners who may have never heard that term,

752
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: like what the hell is tall poppies?

753
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: Yes, So essentially, let's say you're passionate about something, you

754
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: give it, you're all, and you start to get some results,

755
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: and you start to you know, maybe get some wins,

756
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're maybe the national champion

757
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: or you launch the business and you make a million

758
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: bucks and all of a sudden, you're in newspapers, whatever

759
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: it might be. You're starting to kind of rise up

760
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: above everyone else in their eyes. And you're a tall poppy.

761
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: And often what happens when you rise above the masses,

762
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: some people will go, oh, oh, we need to chop

763
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: you down. We need to chop you right down so

764
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: you can back down the size. That's tall poppy syndrome.

765
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: It's I was chatting with Richie McCaw when him and

766
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: I became fathers, I don't know, nine years ago, and

767
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: we're talking about tall poppy syndrome with our kids and

768
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: he said, James, when someone tries to blow out someone

769
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: else's flame, it doesn't make theirs burn any brighter.

770
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: Oh, that is fucking good. I love that. That's cool.

771
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: Yes, that's his perception. And I says, did you receive

772
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: tall poppy syndrome because obviously New Zealand's most well known

773
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: rugby player, arguably one of the world's most known. Yeah,

774
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: And he says, James, when I received it, and I

775
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: received it a lot. It made me double down. It

776
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: made me just get to work. And I think that's

777
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: pretty cool. That was his response. So it's up to

778
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: you and I how we respond to that kind of

779
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: naysaying critics, And you got to take the high road

780
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: and keep moving.

781
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: I remember Richie McCaw thing all right. I bought his

782
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: book and The.

783
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: Real McCaw which is a frigging brilliant book, and I

784
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: was I was reading it, and then one day just

785
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: disappeared and I'm like, the card, where have you seen

786
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: my book?

787
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, fuck the hell, did I leave

788
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: it on a plane or whatever.

789
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: And then one night I was walking past Oscar's bedroom,

790
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: who was ten at the time, and it was half

791
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: past ten, and I could see a light right and.

792
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: And I thought, you little ship, what are you doing?

793
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 3: And I opened the door and went in and there's

794
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: Oscar sitting up in bed with the head torch on

795
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 3: with my book, The Real McCaw with a highlighter, reading

796
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: it and highlighting.

797
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

798
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: Was just And he did that for his his karate, right,

799
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: because he was big into his karate. And when he

800
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: was he had I think he entered into the national

801
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 3: Karate Championships and he wasn't supposed to get in because

802
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: he was too young, but they screwed it. Up in

803
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: terms of the entry. So he sense his wife just

804
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: entered him into the street and up and I was

805
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: talking about it. We were thinking him right, and so

806
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: we're going there and I said to him, look, osk,

807
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: look this is just going to because you know, daddy

808
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: in a year makes a big difference.

809
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: And I said, look, let's just go and have a crack.

810
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: Right, and you know you'll get some great experience for

811
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: next year.

812
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: And he just stopped and he looked at me and

813
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: he said, what are you talking about. I'm going to

814
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: win it.

815
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: And he ended up winning it. But a lot of

816
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: it was the stuff that came out of Richie mccaugh's book. Right,

817
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: So if you ever see Richie McCall again and tell

818
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: him that story.

819
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell him that.

820
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: It had a It was just unbelievable.

821
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm reading it. I don't want to forget that he

822
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: had talked.

823
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: On just just reading the book and and the systems

824
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: that Richie McCall put in players.

825
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that was very cool when you mentioned Richie McCall.

826
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 1: And let's not talk about so.

827
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: Modern society quick fixes? Right, Hell, are member running a gym?

828
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: And I had this guy working for me and you know,

829
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: younger generation and came in and was a trainer and

830
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: said to me, I think you need a penny two

831
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: hundred grand a year.

832
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: And that was your response, right, you laughed, But I'm like.

833
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: No, talk me through this.

834
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: And he says, well, I think I'm worth it, and

835
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so do you know how business works?

836
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: Right? But anyway, so there is this culture.

837
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 3: A lot of it is driven by the whole social

838
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: media thing of quick fixes, right, of of instant wins,

839
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: of making being a fucking millionaire super quick and all

840
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: of this, and it's just there seems to be more

841
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: of a culture where they just want it all and

842
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: they want it really quickly, and people aren't prepared to

843
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 3: do the hard yack, right, so.

844
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Talk to us.

845
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: Can you hack your way to peak performance?

846
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: There are no shortcuts? Look, the long term consequence of

847
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: short game thinking is regret.

848
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: Oh I like that, say thathity.

849
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

850
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: The long term consequence of short game thinking is regret.

851
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: And people who think that they can just fast track

852
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: and pay their way there, or mummy and daddy or

853
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: silver spoon me there and get me all the right

854
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: schools and coaches. Good luck. You know, the people have

855
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: sat down with whether they're running countries, companies, Formula one teams,

856
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of them work their asses off and

857
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: n naebercent them went to a regular old school like

858
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: me and you did back in Northern Ireland. They didn't

859
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: get all the silver silverware and silver spoon treatment. So

860
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: there is no such thing as a quick win. There

861
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: is no such thing as an overnight sensation. And I'll

862
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: tell you what. The people who do get given the

863
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: lotto win, who get given you know, that nepotism kind

864
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: of rise, they're miserable. You know, I've sat with people

865
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: who billionaires who got there very quickly, and they're miserable.

866
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: There's something beautiful about delayed gratification, working for something, earning it,

867
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, slowly getting there, failing a bunch of times,

868
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: getting back up. That's the only way to be a

869
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: high performer. And you know, I might be quite unpopular

870
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: here with the Gary Vaynerchuk fans of the world, but

871
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: you know the difference between a high performer and everyone else,

872
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: it's not hustle, it's not luck, it's habits, you know, hustling.

873
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't believe in that at all. If you're a hustler.

874
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: Good luck to you. Can't wait to high five you

875
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: when you've burnt out, because that was me. I burnt out.

876
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 2: I haven't left, I said of drumsticks in eight years

877
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: and that was my hobby, that was my joy. It

878
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: was my passion. Too much, too intense, not enough balance,

879
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: you know, its habits. Habits is what will get us

880
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: anything that we want in the world, you know, whether

881
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: that's a better relationship, better body, more money, that winning

882
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: whatever titles you want, get the right habits, and I

883
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: promise anything's possible.

884
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: And if you are a fan of the secret, I

885
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: don't know if you've seen that movie where you can

886
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 3: manifest your future in to fucking rewind and erase all

887
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: of that ship from your memory.

888
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: That doesn't work, like manifesting and sitting doing jack all

889
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: like you're not going to get anything. But you know

890
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: a sore oars, so.

891
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: You're gonna fucking manifest long term failure. That's what you're

892
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: gonna manifyde why not take an action?

893
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: The fact in the book poll I share with everyone

894
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: a really powerful visualization technique. Now, visualization and manifestation different things, yes,

895
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: and I walk them through like this is how you

896
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: visualize your future. This is why you focus on what

897
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: it sounds like, feels like, who's going to be there

898
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: at the finish line? You know, how might you feel?

899
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: What might you hear? And then I'll walk them through

900
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: like let's do that regularly. So on the build up

901
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: to my first world title, I I was lying in

902
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: bed fifteen to twenty minutes a night visualizing like a

903
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: three four minute performance in detail and how it's going

904
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: to feel and look at a potential obstacles. But when

905
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: I win that title and I left up, how's it

906
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: going to feel? Who's going to be there? What will

907
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: I hear? And then have a plan to get to work.

908
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: Don't just visualize all day long, have a plan to

909
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: do the work.

910
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: That called functional imagery training, right is exactly what you

911
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: talked about. And there's a lot of research Commander of

912
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: the University of Portsmouth around that whole visualizing, but a

913
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 3: structured process just like you're talking about. It's not just

914
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: fucking close your eyes, I'm going to be a multi

915
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: millionaire or a pop star whatever. It's about the process

916
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: as well and visualizing the process that bringing in the feelings,

917
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: the emotions and making it as real as you can

918
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: so that you can actually taste, and it's.

919
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: Proven to to actually create results. Like a great neuroscientist

920
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: and neurosurgeon, doctor Dody. Him and I were chatting about this,

921
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: and so he's obviously knows how the brain works and

922
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: works on the brain for his entire life has been

923
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: doing this exact same visualization technique, journaling about it and

924
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: then doing the work. And he's created a life he's

925
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: deeply proud of. He's ticked off all his big goals.

926
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: You know, there is a process, but don't watch the

927
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: secret and just think you can sit in bed all

928
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: day and think about your drink, like, get up and

929
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: get to work.

930
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: There's a guy I think it's Anders Eric sim Yes, yeah,

931
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: but but he also talked about the process. Now this

932
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: is this is very deep in my memory banks years

933
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: and years and years ago.

934
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: Abute the whole deliberate.

935
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 2: Practical, deliberate blackness is the key.

936
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so, and I actually use that.

937
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: So I'll tell the story and then I want you

938
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: to give the the kind of cot around this.

939
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: So why this is important?

940
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: So when my kids were doing karate, I eventually thought

941
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: I was going to all these tournaments and I thought

942
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: fuck it, I may as well do karate, right, And

943
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: then I set myself a goal to become Australian Master's

944
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: karate champion, right.

945
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: And I'd never done karate ever.

946
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: But what I did and kumite, which is is the

947
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: comebat bit right, And I can't My hips are shot

948
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: because of soccer, so I can't kick. So all I

949
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 3: had was punch is front punch and reverse punch, right.

950
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: But what I did is I got a coach who

951
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: was a multi national champion, right, he was done at

952
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: our dojo, and I would get him to teach me

953
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: this skill, the front punch and reverse punch, but I

954
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: would get him to then film me do it, and

955
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: I would film him do it, and I'd go home

956
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 3: and I'd watch him in slow motion and break it down,

957
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: and then i'd watch myself in slow motion and see

958
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: what was different and then adjust and film mcgeean and

959
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: adjust and film mcgeean. And then when I got at

960
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: that point, I would just repeat it over and over

961
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: and over and over and over again, and then film

962
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: myself and then see was I executing it properly?

963
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: Right?

964
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 3: Talk to us about why stuff like that is important

965
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: and what other elements are involved in deliberate practice.

966
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I read that ten thousand hour

967
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: rule by Andrews Erickson actually before I asked that, how

968
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: did you get on with your goal?

969
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I think I was a white belt

970
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 3: with a yellow stripe or a yellow belt that everybody

971
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: else was a like second down black belt.

972
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: That is outstanding, well done. But that's that's the proof

973
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: is in the pudding, right And.

974
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: I may actually me and know that that was a

975
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: brilliant moment because me and Oscar both became Australian champions

976
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: the same event and the same event, yeah, which was

977
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: very precial.

978
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: And that's when you come down to actually the it's

979
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: not luck. There was some habits and discipline there. What

980
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: did you both do?

981
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: You know?

982
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: So Andrews Ericson would say, you know the ten thousand

983
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: hour rules. So I heard this when I was ten.

984
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: I've been drumming for a year and I thought, oh,

985
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: all I've got to do is do ten thousand hours

986
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: and I'll be the world's best. And so you know,

987
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: maybe two or three thousand hours in god, I'm still

988
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: pretty average. And then I started reading again and seeing

989
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: this one line that said it's only going to work.

990
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: If there's deliberate practice, shit, what does that mean? So

991
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: I got a VHS cassette tip called the Essential Principles

992
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: by the sixteen time World Solo Drumming champion Jim Kilpatrick.

993
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: Popped it into the VHS cassette player and it was

994
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: teaching the basics, and I would stop, rewind, try it,

995
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: stop play, watch him stop rewind. And I didn't have

996
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: a video camera at the time, but I had a

997
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: like an audio recorder, record it and listen and listen

998
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: to him, and listen and listen to it. And about

999
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: two years of doing that every day, and I used

1000
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: to skip school and not tell my parents, and I'd

1001
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: sit at home in practice for six hours on the

1002
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: most basic rudiments, you know, these basic essentials. And when

1003
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: I got to the World Championships and wanted at thirteen,

1004
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: people are like, how did you do that? Like you've

1005
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: only been drunning for three or four years. This is

1006
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 2: just the simple things done consistently over and over lead

1007
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: to positive results. There wasn't I'm not a talented drummer,

1008
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: not naturally born as a talented drummer. You weren't naturally

1009
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: born as a karate legend like you get clear and

1010
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: what you want, then you reverse engineer, well what's the

1011
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: things I need to do? And then you focus on,

1012
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: you know, sweat the small stuff.

1013
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: Get brilliant at the basics.

1014
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: Right, common sense not common practice?

1015
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, so may you. So let's talk about motivation. Right,

1016
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 3: So we did, we did mention it. But some people,

1017
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: and particularly when they when they listen to things, they

1018
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 3: get all motivated and go, right, I'm going to do

1019
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: it hot. Is there a way that people can naturally

1020
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: are deliberately enhanced their motivation?

1021
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Success is an inside job and it's not about

1022
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: winning the world championships. It's not about making the big money.

1023
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: It's about getting clear on why why do I want

1024
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: to do this stuff? So if you look at the

1025
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: research Daniel Pink did on motivation, he wrote a great

1026
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 2: book on this and.

1027
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: The Drive Drive. I've seen actually seen Daniel Pink speak.

1028
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: He's pretty amazing good in person, because not very many

1029
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: authors are equally as good on stage. It can be

1030
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: a bit dry.

1031
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: He's great.

1032
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: We had him on the show but a year ago

1033
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: and it's just outstanding speaker. But it's very simple. Mastery, autonomy,

1034
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 2: and purpose, purpose those three things and here's the problem.

1035
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: So many people are extrinsically motivated money, status, power, fame,

1036
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 2: and I would say, in my younger years, win win, win,

1037
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: be the World championship, be on stage. It was very extrinsic.

1038
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: I remember I told you I burnt out as a drummer.

1039
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: There was too much extrinsic going on, not enough intrinsic,

1040
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: which is doing it for the love of doing it,

1041
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: doing it because you enjoy the process. You've got to

1042
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: find the balance. And then finding the balance is having

1043
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: a sense of mastery, of learning, of growing, of you know,

1044
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: purposely moving towards getting better and helping others. Autonomy, the

1045
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: sense of I can take the direction, I can head

1046
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: in the way that I want, I can work autonomous

1047
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: from anyone else, no micromanagement. And the last one purpose,

1048
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: like why am I doing this? Is there an actual reason?

1049
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: Is it making a difference to my life for other

1050
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: people's lives? Those three things help. I don't know what

1051
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: it's like in Aussy, but in New Zealand you've got

1052
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: people who will fly with their in New Zealand and

1053
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 2: they'll get silver status if they fly off enough, then gold,

1054
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: then gold elite, and that's awesome. You and I probably

1055
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: fly enough where we've got these these status things, right, Yes,

1056
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 2: Now they give you we bag tags, two luggage tags,

1057
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: and they go on your big, badass thirty kg luggage

1058
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: and you check them in. Now, some people will take

1059
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: those little gold Elite or platinum status and they'll put

1060
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: it on their backpack, the backpack that's going on the

1061
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: plane with them. It's never going to get lost, and

1062
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: they'll have them abel stuck out in such a way

1063
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: that everyone can see their gold Elite, their platform, all

1064
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: their colleagues, everyone at the airport. No, that's not wrong,

1065
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: and that's not right, but that just means that they've

1066
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: got quite a bit of extrinsic motivation.

1067
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely, And.

1068
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 3: I think this is a real warning for parents, right

1069
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: because when you are constantly rewarding your kids, like I

1070
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: know some parents that would pay their kids' money to.

1071
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: Do well in sport and to do well.

1072
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 3: In exams because well intentioned that they think then that

1073
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: they are going to motivate their kids to do that thing.

1074
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: Or you do well in your exams, I'll buy you this. Right,

1075
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 3: you score a goal, I'll buy you this. You win

1076
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: the tournament, I'll give you x amount of money. And

1077
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: when when I hear and I've heard that sort of stuff,

1078
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, hell, that's why I've no heard because what

1079
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 3: they're doing is they're driving extrinsic motivation and they're destroying

1080
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: intrinsic motivation.

1081
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: And we need to be very very careful with how

1082
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: we use.

1083
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 3: Extrinsic motivation because it can motivate people to get started for.

1084
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 2: Short term, quick pass simple tasks, yes, brilliant yes, correct

1085
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: long game it's not sustainable.

1086
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then the other thing you talked about there was process,

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Speaker 3: And when I coach, there's mindset coaching for karate Australia athletes,

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Speaker 3: the ones who want to get to the Olympics and

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Speaker 3: things like that, and chatting with them and process versus outcome.

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Speaker 1: It's big.

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Speaker 3: And I say to them like because because sometimes they go,

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Speaker 3: you know, in a big event, you know, that's when

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Speaker 3: they screw up and everything was there and I'm like, well, well,

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Speaker 3: what was what was happening in that event? What how

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Speaker 3: do we how are you thinking? And often it was

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Speaker 3: like my family's in there and my girlfriends in the crowd,

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Speaker 3: right and they're thinking about I better win, I better win,

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Speaker 3: I better win and the stress comes from focusing too

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Speaker 3: much on the outcome. And then I show them the

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Speaker 3: research that shows that over ariusal inhibits motor control. So

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Speaker 3: when you're overarrised, right, when your your your arisal systems

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Speaker 3: are too high, it actually slows down your reaction time. Right,

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Speaker 3: there's a sweet spot for arousal, and that over comes

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Speaker 3: from thinking about the outcome rather than the process, like

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Speaker 3: what do I need to do? What skills that I

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Speaker 3: need to execute? Right, As I said to those athletes,

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Speaker 3: process beats outcome every fucking day and twice on Friday.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with I'm working with rugby players

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Speaker 2: or tennis player, doesn't matter. If you follow the process,

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Speaker 2: you're going to get better results over the long term.

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Speaker 2: And what you said around they were thinking and it

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Speaker 2: affects motor emotions, find more emotions. Goes back to that

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Speaker 2: model you and I talked about earlier, belief attitude, behavior,

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Speaker 2: and the behavior is the motor control. Right, So as

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Speaker 2: soon as they're starting to believe, oh, if I don't

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Speaker 2: win this, I'm not enough for my girlfriend in the ARDA, Yes,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm letting my mom and dad down in

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Speaker 2: the audience. That's the belief. I'm a failure, I'm a disappointment.

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Speaker 2: The attitude then goes, oh shit, well a better step up,

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Speaker 2: and all pressures on a better not lose this. Then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, as you say, things start to

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Speaker 2: slow down. So you get into the brain top two inches.

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Speaker 2: That's wherever and is managed and controlled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so you right. So last last couple of questions,

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Speaker 3: because you're right that high performance aren't high performers aren't busy,

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Speaker 3: which kind of seems counterintuitive. If you want to be

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Speaker 3: a high performer, you've gotta fucking work your ass off

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Speaker 3: and be busy.

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Speaker 1: So tell us what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: So a client come to me and say, look, James,

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Speaker 2: I have not getting the results I wanted. And I says, yeah,

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Speaker 2: why not? I'm just so busy, got too much on

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Speaker 2: this is great, give me your phone's give me the phone.

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Speaker 2: It's a good screen time reality check coming his way.

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Speaker 2: It's four hours so Facebook nine hours fifty one minutes

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Speaker 2: in a week. I says, maykay, how many of your

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Speaker 2: clients are on there? How many of the things are

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Speaker 2: going to help you become successful in your sport or field?

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Speaker 2: Going to be on there? You went none TikTok eight

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Speaker 2: hours and twenty minutes a week, and you can see

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Speaker 2: where it was going. Another five platforms. I says, you

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Speaker 2: don't have a busy problem, you have a priority problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so the true high performers aren't busy, they are priority focused.

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Speaker 2: I talk about MVPs. If you don't know your MVP,

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Speaker 2: don't get out of your bed. What's your most valued

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Speaker 2: priority today? What's that? One in your professional world and

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Speaker 2: one in your personal world? You don't know that, like it,

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Speaker 2: don't get up like because otherwise you're just kind of

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Speaker 2: bounced them from thing to thing and you're straight on

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Speaker 2: your phone. Look at your socials and answering emails.

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Speaker 3: Well, we didn't drift through life and we get just

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Speaker 3: sucked into those old habits and no routines, right that

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Speaker 3: often don't serve as right one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Prioritize your priorities. You know, if you look at the

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Speaker 2: average leader that had a study on CEOs and they

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Speaker 2: were asked, what's your number one value and priority in life?

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Speaker 2: But ninety nine percent of them family, Okay, great, for

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Speaker 2: the next two weeks, we're going to do a time

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Speaker 2: on it. You're all going to report a time on it.

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Speaker 2: So for the next two weeks they did that. They

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Speaker 2: came back and they reported that they spent on average

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Speaker 2: three percent or less of their day with their family.

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Speaker 2: That's less than forty three minutes a day present with

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Speaker 2: their family. Massive values alignment. High performers are super radically

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Speaker 2: clear on what they value, what their priorities are, and

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Speaker 2: they schedule that and they say, no a lot. That's

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Speaker 2: why they're not busy. No I'm not coming to that thing.

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Speaker 2: No I'm not agreeing to that. No, sorry, I'm too busy.

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Speaker 2: But they're actually busy being productive rather than busy being busy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love your time, audit.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have a similar thing which I just

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Speaker 3: wrote a chapter part of a chapter in my new book,

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Speaker 3: A Bite an Attention audit, Right, Like, where is your

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Speaker 3: attention placed on a daily basis? And is it placed

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Speaker 3: on the places that it needs to be for you

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Speaker 3: to become the person that you want to be?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: And that includes not only how much of my attention

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Speaker 3: is on social media or watching shit TV, how much

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Speaker 3: of my attention is in my own head?

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I can struggle with my thoughts and my emotions and

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Speaker 3: those sorts of things because whatever you pay attention to

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Speaker 3: your bringing commit sales.

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Speaker 1: Two. That is just absolutely critical.

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Speaker 3: So James, we do have to wrap up unfortunately, and

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Speaker 3: I think I definitely need to get you back on

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Speaker 3: the podcast here.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go?

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Speaker 3: So your book is The Habits of High Performers by

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Speaker 3: James Lachlan, or can people go if they want to

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Speaker 3: find out more about you other things that you do?

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Speaker 3: If they want to book you as a speaker, either

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand, across the ditch here or anywhere else

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Speaker 3: where's the best place to say? No?

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Paul, It's been great chatting. So a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: If they want, I'd like to give them a high

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Speaker 2: performance planner for free and they can just go to

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Speaker 2: jj lachland dot com forward slash planner and if you

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Speaker 2: want to put that the show notes, that would be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, if they're on LinkedIn or if they're you know, Instagram,

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Speaker 2: just James Lochland, they can connect. Then obviously run a

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Speaker 2: podcast lead on purpose if they want to listen, they'll

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Speaker 2: hear the amazing doctor Paul Taylor very soon on there.

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Speaker 2: And then the book's available all good bookstores. Amazon Australia

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Speaker 2: will have it and if they want some of the

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Speaker 2: extra one to one client resources I have, they can

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Speaker 2: go to the habitbook dot com and they can get

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Speaker 2: it in there. If they buy the book, they get

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Speaker 2: all those resources to