WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 24 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray live. You know, mate, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to stay humble, get a job on

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<v Speaker 1>the tell somebody who works in another part of the

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<v Speaker 1>overall broadcast business in which we're in here. I was

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<v Speaker 1>bumping into them today. Hi, how are you grave? This

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<v Speaker 1>is my friend, introduced the friend. The friend says, oh

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<v Speaker 1>are you Paul Murris? Yes, well I just saw your

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<v Speaker 1>photo in the foyer. Very photoshopped. Yeah, I know. We

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<v Speaker 1>just don't tell anyone, right, I see it in the

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<v Speaker 1>mirror every day. But Joey, here's the posters get touched up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way it works. Thanks for watching tonight. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to this evening including let's talk about vaping for

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<v Speaker 1>a second, because something massive happened today. Huge news today

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<v Speaker 1>is that this federal government of Courses wave their finger

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<v Speaker 1>and or it's a terrible thing and nobody should be

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<v Speaker 1>vaping and anyone who vapes bat smoking smoking. You've heard

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<v Speaker 1>this how many times? This is an example of them

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<v Speaker 1>waving the finger. The vaping situation in Australia is an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine out of ten vaping stores are deliberately located within

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<v Speaker 2>walking distance of our schools. It is now the number

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<v Speaker 2>one behavioral issue in our schools.

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<v Speaker 1>We know there's a lot of pollution because of vaping.

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<v Speaker 1>My team's thrown that in. I hadn't said that. That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a result of this new threat, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the new moral outrage. Sure, let's legalize possession in the

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<v Speaker 1>Act for cocaine and for ice and heroin. But you're vaping,

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<v Speaker 1>oh dear goodness. So the government said we're banning right.

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<v Speaker 1>It won't be available anywhere to buy. The only way

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<v Speaker 1>to get it is if you go to your doctor first,

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<v Speaker 1>and even then it'll be hard to get a prescription.

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<v Speaker 2>We have legislation before the Parliament today which will be

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<v Speaker 2>debated in the Senate when we go back to camera

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of weeks, that seeks to ban the

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<v Speaker 2>sale and the supply of these products that are so

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<v Speaker 2>obviously targeted to the youngest members of our community.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why we're working to stamp out vaping. So it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be banned. We will get rid of this scourch. Not really,

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<v Speaker 1>you see, for the thing to become the rule, it

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<v Speaker 1>has to become a law. For it to make its

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<v Speaker 1>way through the parliament. They need the support of the Greens.

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<v Speaker 1>So guess what God announced today, and hoping that you

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<v Speaker 1>would be distracted by every other thing in the world

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<v Speaker 1>other than this thing that is going to make vaping

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<v Speaker 1>just as normal as it is right now. Instead, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>actually become fully legalized. Today, the Health Minister pushes out

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<v Speaker 1>a little statement, hoping nobody's going to notice. But what

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<v Speaker 1>now is going to happen is that vapes will now

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<v Speaker 1>be sold at your local chemist. Seriously, they're not banning it.

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<v Speaker 1>You will need a doctor prescription, but only until October.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in October you, if you're over eighteen, will

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<v Speaker 1>be able to go in and just like the cold

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<v Speaker 1>and flu stuff, you go into your local chemist and

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<v Speaker 1>you buy the vape from them. Seriously, now, whether this

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<v Speaker 1>is a forerunner of how they're going to go when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the sale of tobacco, we'll all wait

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<v Speaker 1>and see together. But the idea that the chemist is

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<v Speaker 1>the place where you are now going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to go and get your vapes amazing. Now, let's have

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<v Speaker 1>a look again a part of this story that popped

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<v Speaker 1>up today. The changes were pushed by the Greens, which

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<v Speaker 1>will make nicotine only vapes, say pharmacist products, and none

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<v Speaker 1>of the flavors of the apple this and the orange

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<v Speaker 1>at and you know, citrus fun time or whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>heck it is that they do. And this is now

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<v Speaker 1>going to work basically exactly the same way about your

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore cold and flu. People will first have to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to a pharmacist who will give them information on health

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<v Speaker 1>harms and alternatives for quitting smoking. You have to then

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<v Speaker 1>prove that you're over the age of eighteen. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>it now. I don't know exactly what the rules are

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<v Speaker 1>here about under what circumstances The chemist says no, but

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<v Speaker 1>we continue. There will be limitations on the nicotine content,

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<v Speaker 1>and vase will only available in menthol mint or tobacco flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Under eighteens will of course be unable to access it

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<v Speaker 1>unless they have a script. I'm not entirely sure which

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<v Speaker 1>doctor is handing out to seventeen sixteen year olds the

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<v Speaker 1>prescription to vape. But something very big changed today. If

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<v Speaker 1>you thought the weirdest thing that was available that is

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<v Speaker 1>counter to the concept of your health was chocolate bars

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<v Speaker 1>at your local chemist, get ready for vapes now? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it a better more regulated system than frankly, what is

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<v Speaker 1>currently a black market that is openly operating in defiance

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<v Speaker 1>of the rule. But what a change. These were the

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<v Speaker 1>people who were out and about telling us, oh, we've

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<v Speaker 1>hired a number of inspectors that are going tobacconist to

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<v Speaker 1>tobacconists and double checking what's available. Well, now you will

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<v Speaker 1>be able to purchase a vape with the doctor's permission,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in October you've just got to turn up

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<v Speaker 1>with your driver's license schedule, quick little lecture. But they,

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<v Speaker 1>as I can see, it won't be able to say no, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>you've ordered it too many times. And of course the

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<v Speaker 1>reality is is that if you have got it too

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<v Speaker 1>many times from this place, they'll go somewhere else, somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else. Can you buy one? Can you buy three?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? Amazingly, there are people who support the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the best place for a tobacco replacement is the chemist,

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<v Speaker 1>and it isn't the chemists. The Pharmacy Guild's been blowing

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<v Speaker 1>up this afternoon saying, ang on, why don't we have

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<v Speaker 1>to get involved in this, and obviously that also increases

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be honest, the potential thefts that may well happen

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<v Speaker 1>from places that are not as well guarded. Now, pharmacies

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking and got ways of shutting things down, but

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<v Speaker 1>people literally break into tobacconists to get these type of products.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a look at this. The Senate's expectation is that

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<v Speaker 1>the community pharmacies become vape retailers and vape garbage collectors.

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<v Speaker 1>Is insulting. That's what the Pharmacy Guild says. Everyone wants

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<v Speaker 1>to keep illegal vapes out of the kids of hands

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<v Speaker 1>of kids and teenagers, but the Senate wants pharmacists to

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<v Speaker 1>stop vapes next to children's panadol, cold and flu medicine

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<v Speaker 1>and emergency contraception. Now, for what it's worth, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not going to pretend to be or hire

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<v Speaker 1>the Mighty on this. You know what I do with

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<v Speaker 1>my spare time when it comes to cigars terrible, awful,

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<v Speaker 1>shortening man life, no question. So I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with adults doing what they want to do to

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<v Speaker 1>their body, as long as it doesn't end up injuring

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<v Speaker 1>other people. But what an insight into the potential future

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<v Speaker 1>for our country is the place that you will get

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<v Speaker 1>your vapes is the chemist. Maybe tobacco your chemist and

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<v Speaker 1>then in places with much more liberal drug laws, what

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<v Speaker 1>other things will your chemist eventually end up stocking. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is a good idea because the band clearly was

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<v Speaker 1>not going to work, but it is a very bad

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<v Speaker 1>idea in terms of the way it's going to be implemented. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is because the Greens and Labor got together. The

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<v Speaker 1>Greens know that younger voters are the ones who are

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<v Speaker 1>using these products, so they don't want to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of a band, so they're going for a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>harm minimization. But mark my words, it is the trojan

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<v Speaker 1>horse for how things that have nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>your health will end up being distributed in Australia watch

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<v Speaker 1>this space. And as for the poor chemists who are

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<v Speaker 1>now in a position where they don't want to stock it,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to have to stock it and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to sell it. Olbo's Australia well done. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get to Matt Keenan, sure I've got plenty

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<v Speaker 1>to say about that. There was a major business that

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<v Speaker 1>has fallen apart today. It is the construction side of

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<v Speaker 1>the Apollo Kitchens group. Now this is an area that

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<v Speaker 1>is based out of New South Wales, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>a joint that has well employed an awful lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people over the years. Today we learn everyone is gone,

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<v Speaker 1>the company's collapsed, twenty three million dollar company gone, see

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<v Speaker 1>you later. All of that is the reality of Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>and as more people lose their jobs, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>reality you expect. You've got a job on Friday, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all gone by Monday. The organization that you work for

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<v Speaker 1>completely could put see you later. This is also at

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<v Speaker 1>a period of time when I've told you how many

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<v Speaker 1>times that more than nine minion Australians have got less

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<v Speaker 1>than one thousand dollars in savings. In fact, it's about

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty dollars that most of those people

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<v Speaker 1>have in the bank. So it's four fifty bugger rule.

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<v Speaker 1>So at a scenario where people are worried about their

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<v Speaker 1>job and they don't have any money in the bank,

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<v Speaker 1>It's why I spend so much time on the show

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<v Speaker 1>talking about other people's money, that being your and my money,

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<v Speaker 1>that being the great tax payers of Australia's money, how

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<v Speaker 1>is it spent? You've seen a couple of examples today

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<v Speaker 1>that well, they'd break you if you were't a stronger person.

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<v Speaker 1>But we will not break. Now this government is going

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<v Speaker 1>to spend, after last year, four hundred and fifty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars on a yes no question that they successfully argued

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<v Speaker 1>from sixty forty yes to sixty forty. Hell no, They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend four hundred fifty million dollars and not one,

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<v Speaker 1>but two brand new jets Yes, ordered by the previous government,

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<v Speaker 1>but not canceled by this government. Therefore this government's problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So they can fly around in brand new luxury jets.

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<v Speaker 1>They might even take two of them, like they did

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<v Speaker 1>in recent clean energy announcements when they went to places

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<v Speaker 1>like the Hunter Valley. Last week. We focused a lot

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<v Speaker 1>on the idea that it wasn't just the first. The

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<v Speaker 1>third pay rise for politicians has taken place since the

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<v Speaker 1>last election. PM now being paid six hundred thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>the third pay rise since that election. As I say,

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<v Speaker 1>the abanez A government, also, after spending what nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars on planes and referendums, is also spending forty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars flogging two little, too late tax cuts. You

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<v Speaker 1>know why they're too little, You know why they're too late,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know it's all about trying to help the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party, not help the people of Australia. Well, as

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<v Speaker 1>you may have heard by now. But if this is

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<v Speaker 1>your first chance, I hope you're sitting down because the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister is picking one of his mates to become

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<v Speaker 1>the next Governor General. Now this is hardcore lefty female

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<v Speaker 1>business activist. Finefair enough, that's the decision. I think there

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<v Speaker 1>are better options out there. But still, this Governor General, however,

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<v Speaker 1>is going to go from being paid less than the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime minister to way more than the Prime minister at

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fourteen one thousand dollars pay rise. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>has changed in the job. It's the same job with

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<v Speaker 1>all the same perks, but the salary goes from four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety five thousand dollars under the current Governor

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<v Speaker 1>General to the next Governor General, Suzanne Moston at seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and nine thousand dollars. Prime minister is paid six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred grand. The Prime Minister has paid more than the

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<v Speaker 1>United States President, and now the Governor General is paid

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<v Speaker 1>more than the Prime Minister. And by the way, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like they've got to spend the money on anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like they're paying the power bill it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like they've got to keep the internet connected, because of

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<v Speaker 1>course they have not one but two mansions. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the one in Canberra Government House, where of course most

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<v Speaker 1>famously a prime minister will roll in asking for an election,

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<v Speaker 1>they get an election. Or of course there's the one

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<v Speaker 1>next door to the Prime Minister's place in Sydney, which

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't even better view of the Harbor Bridge when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the fireworks. So you've got money going out

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<v Speaker 1>the door on a government trying to literally keep itself

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<v Speaker 1>a little more comfy in the bot bot when they

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<v Speaker 1>go on a plane, or when they try to buy

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<v Speaker 1>their place in history, or when they try to buy

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<v Speaker 1>your vote telling you that thirty something bucks a week

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<v Speaker 1>is enough to change your life because of two little

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<v Speaker 1>too late tax cuts. Well, guess what. There's another example

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<v Speaker 1>of other people's money and the disgraceful waste of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's across both political parties. But it is the

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<v Speaker 1>forever part of our system. It's the bureaucracy. Now, remember

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<v Speaker 1>all of these pay rises that people understandably blow up about,

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<v Speaker 1>and rightly so about politicians. All of this stuff happens

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<v Speaker 1>for the top end of the public service and they've

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<v Speaker 1>got all the same travel experiences, so they tell you

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<v Speaker 1>uphill and down Dale, we're going to take care of you.

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<v Speaker 1>But guess what, Treasury loves a party, the bureaucrats who

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<v Speaker 1>helped put together the budget that, in this case was

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<v Speaker 1>announced by Grim Jim formerly Josh Friedenberg. How's this for

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<v Speaker 1>a story today? That came out from the Audit Office.

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<v Speaker 1>Tens of thousands of dollars spent by Treasury on food,

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol and venues for its Budget Night functions breached probity

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<v Speaker 1>laws and internal policies. So they broke the law. Will

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<v Speaker 1>anyone be held accountable? Of course, it's a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>broke the law. No, people who make the decisions around

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. An investigation by the Order Office found that

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<v Speaker 1>Treasury spent thirty four thousand dollars on four budget events

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<v Speaker 1>two we're in twenty twenty two, the first under Fredenberg,

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<v Speaker 1>the second under the mini budget of Charmers that total

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<v Speaker 1>nine six hundred and thirty dollars. Part of a long

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<v Speaker 1>standing tradition on Budget Night colloquially dubbed the budget binge,

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<v Speaker 1>by staff to help celebrate a busy period of budget preparation.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean doing their job, so doing their job means

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<v Speaker 1>they turn around and take your tax dollars and pittle

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<v Speaker 1>it up against the wall on parties for themselves that

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<v Speaker 1>are illegal. There's more. Two other events and functions which

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<v Speaker 1>were hosted a Parliament, House and Budget Night authorized by

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<v Speaker 1>the Treasurer's offers to thank officials broke the law because

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<v Speaker 1>they were not properly authorized. Now if they are spending

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<v Speaker 1>what thirty four grand on parties for themselves that are

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<v Speaker 1>not compliant and no one is held responsible, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think the tax office would do if you broke

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<v Speaker 1>the law with your tax return and you misspent thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand dollars, you reckon, You're going to get a pass.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, not that come down on you like a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of bricks. But because it's not people making the decisions,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the entity that made the mistake once, twice, three

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<v Speaker 1>four times. Nothing. No one held responsible other people's money.

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<v Speaker 1>The politicians are blind to where it comes from. The

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<v Speaker 1>people who draw up the budgets which are always wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>They too spend like well drunken tax and Treasury people.

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<v Speaker 1>Now wonder people get frustrated, and we voice that frustration

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<v Speaker 1>for you each and every night. But I bet that's

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<v Speaker 1>literally the first time today you even heard about that story.

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<v Speaker 1>That story is worth a little follow up. But of course,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's both sides of politics, there will be no

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<v Speaker 1>questions asked of anyone in the Parliament tomorrow. Instead, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know we got caught. Does anyone pay a fight? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Is anyone going to lose? No? Just do it quite

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<v Speaker 1>a next year feeding all right, Matt kin, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>to it now. Matt Kean has finally lived out his

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<v Speaker 1>true purpose, which is to be part of Olbow's team,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the left wing team. He was a lefty

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<v Speaker 1>liberal who was a liberal who of course covered himself

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<v Speaker 1>in no glory with the way that he ran the

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<v Speaker 1>energy system in New South Wales. His most famous quote,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, was the people should think twice about turning

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<v Speaker 1>on their dishwashers because you know, we're rationing power as

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<v Speaker 1>if it was the Blitz. But of course, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>a renewable energy zealot, because he's part of the clean

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<v Speaker 1>energy future, he's beloved by all of the people. The

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<v Speaker 1>love he's on Channel two and Turnbull times and Turnal

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<v Speaker 1>himself all the rest of it, right, so he can

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever he wants. But doesn't it stink the high

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<v Speaker 1>Heaven that he is still a member of the Nissobais

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament yet today, of course, gets a brand new job

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<v Speaker 1>with the federal government. Now, remember, not even a week

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<v Speaker 1>ago this bloke resigned from politics in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 1>He by the way, is still technically an MP because

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<v Speaker 1>the Speaker has not formally accepted his resignation, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>still being paid to be an MP in New South Wales. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I told you at the time there was something just

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<v Speaker 1>weird about the timing which was done on the budget

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<v Speaker 1>day and some of the reasons about why he was

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<v Speaker 1>jumping away. Firstly, the reason he was leaving New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales politics and cause a by election in his allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>beloved Hornsby, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Won't be running for federal parliament. I intend on pursuing

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<v Speaker 3>a career in the private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>So could you just run that again. He's leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>parliament and the taxpayer purse because he's going into a

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<v Speaker 1>government job or a private job. Roll it again.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't be running for federal parliament. I intend on

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<v Speaker 3>pursuing a career in the private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So that was last Tuesday. He also said this

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<v Speaker 1>about how long he's been considering this jump to the

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<v Speaker 1>private sector, so presumably there was a job for him

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<v Speaker 1>to go to.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been thinking about this for some time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, guess what, it turns out the job that he

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<v Speaker 1>was on his way to was announced today that he's

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<v Speaker 1>now going to be in charge of the climate change

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<v Speaker 1>organization that, of course you and I funds, they helped

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<v Speaker 1>push a lot of money around, They help set a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of policy. But isn't this magical. His job in

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<v Speaker 1>the private sector is a job working for the Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Party and the federal government. Now let's be very clear here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a big change from what he said just

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<v Speaker 1>a few days ago, which means potentially the whole process

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<v Speaker 1>of him getting this job is one we probably should

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<v Speaker 1>spend a couple of minutes talking about. Now, let me

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<v Speaker 1>explain the current chair that he is about to replace.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this bloke. His name is Grant King. Now, Grant

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<v Speaker 1>King was also announced today as having a new job,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to be the chairman of Transgrid, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the organization in New South Wales that in many ways

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<v Speaker 1>is in charge of things like poles and wires. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a few questions that we will spend the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of nights trying to work out because Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Kean was leaving politics for the private sector. But now

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<v Speaker 1>he has dropped the private sector and got a job

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<v Speaker 1>with the federal government in less than a week. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's my questions that I have. And if it all

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<v Speaker 1>is above board, then okay. But when did the government

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<v Speaker 1>know that the current chair of the Climate Authority was leaving?

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<v Speaker 1>Did the government interview any other candidates to replace him

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<v Speaker 1>on the assumption that he was off to another job

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<v Speaker 1>to be announced today, So last week they knew he

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<v Speaker 1>was going, and presumably they knew where he was going,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was a vacant spot and they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find out who would fill it. Did they interview

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else? Did the government pick up the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>approach Keen or did Keen approach them? What happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the last week apparently? Now, if the government did approach him,

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<v Speaker 1>when did they first approach him? Because if they approached

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<v Speaker 1>him one minute before he announced his resignation from politics

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<v Speaker 1>that apparently been thinking about for a long time, and

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<v Speaker 1>that apparently he was going into the private sector, then

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a problem inducing somebody to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the parliament. Not a good thing to do. This has

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<v Speaker 1>got people into a lot of trouble with corruption commissions before.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't know, I can't make and make no inference.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's a question that somebody somewhere and Canberra Columbo's

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<v Speaker 1>we know if they decide they will hunt down every

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<v Speaker 1>one of these questions, or because he's a lovey, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just let it go, wait for something else to replace.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, if they can't answer all of those, will

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<v Speaker 1>the government please send the details of how this appointment

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<v Speaker 1>came about to the National Corruption Commission, because that, in

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<v Speaker 1>part is supposedly the reason why this thing was put

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<v Speaker 1>in place. Why did governments make decisions? How do they

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<v Speaker 1>make decisions? Because if you and I are to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the chair existing chair leaving gets a new job

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<v Speaker 1>and they had no replacement prior to Matt Keane announcing

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<v Speaker 1>his retirement from Nwsabel's politics to go into the private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>Play it for the third time. I want everyone to

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<v Speaker 1>see and everyone to know, and don't in the next

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days there'll be some little friendly piece in

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<v Speaker 1>the turbul Times or something trying to push away the dots.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember his reason for leaving state politics less than one

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<v Speaker 1>week ago was to go into a job.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't be running for federal parliament. I intend on

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<v Speaker 3>pursuing a career in the private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>But the job he gets is in the federal government.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're so proud of it that they don't just

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<v Speaker 1>put it out of the press release. They do the

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<v Speaker 1>full Prime ministeri or courtyard short of state visit for

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese where they go and inspect the guards. This

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<v Speaker 1>is about as high profile as you can get. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the same place where the Prime Minister calls elections, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same place where the Prime Minister appoints governor generals.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were very proud of this one. Now we're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to believe that everything was above board. There was

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<v Speaker 1>an empty seat Captain's pick. This wonderful candidate appeared, so

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<v Speaker 1>they nabbed in and jumped Canberra Colombo's in the press gallery.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone want to follow up, anyone who does all of

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<v Speaker 1>the interviews going to follow up at all? Why do

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's something odd at the very best about

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<v Speaker 1>the timing here, because this government has form, despite the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that, of course most of the media and have

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<v Speaker 1>never talked about a scandal involving the Trade Minister Don Farrell.

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<v Speaker 1>Now remember these were the no jobs for the boys.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to change everything. The last mob was terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>when of course this is bad as bad as it

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<v Speaker 1>gets in terms of jobs for the boys. You see

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<v Speaker 1>Don Farrell trade ministers. He gets to decide people who

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<v Speaker 1>represent him in the trade portfolio in different parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. There was a job which is on offer

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<v Speaker 1>to a trade envoy in San Francisco in California. This

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<v Speaker 1>lady had already been somebody who applied for the job,

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<v Speaker 1>was qualified for the job and was referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>the preferred candidate, but she didn't get the job. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>a one term senator and factional mate of Don Farrell

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<v Speaker 1>ended up getting the job. The Australian followed the story.

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<v Speaker 1>They can reveal that Kristen Thompson, the head of America's

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<v Speaker 1>Investment Desk at the Australian Trade and Investment Commission known

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<v Speaker 1>as OSTRADE, was the quote preferred candidate for the job. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Farrell's office dumped the recruitment process after it was

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<v Speaker 1>completed and picked the old mate in place of the

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<v Speaker 1>lady who had qualified for the job. And here's the

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<v Speaker 1>sentence that still rings in my ears. Mister Kenner, a

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<v Speaker 1>Labour staffer since losing his Senate spot in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>has no experience in trade investment and did not apply

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<v Speaker 1>for the job. That's why I've got some questions about

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<v Speaker 1>the Matt Kan thing, because this government had an empty spot,

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<v Speaker 1>had a process that produced a preferred candidate, only to

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<v Speaker 1>completely ignore it and put in their own staffer who

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<v Speaker 1>was a factional mate and was an ex senator for

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<v Speaker 1>one term, who didn't even apply for the job. Canberra

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<v Speaker 1>Colombo's press gallery again. We know that you will find

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<v Speaker 1>the truffles in the dirt if you want to. We

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<v Speaker 1>know you can become very forensic if you choose any

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<v Speaker 1>plan to follow up on those questions. Let's go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the questions, because they are the ones we will

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<v Speaker 1>seek to answer in the next couple of days. I repeat,

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<v Speaker 1>when did the government know the current chair was leaving?

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<v Speaker 1>Did the government interview any other candidates? Did the government

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<v Speaker 1>approach Keen or did Kean approach them? If the government

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<v Speaker 1>approached him, when did they first approach him? And are

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<v Speaker 1>you willing to send all of this off at the

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<v Speaker 1>Corruption Commission to tell us that, unlike the dodgy dealing

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<v Speaker 1>in the trade portfolio, that all of this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>above board and the right person's got the job. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's only other people's money. They're just angry about it

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<v Speaker 1>on Sky News because they hate Matt Kean. No. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think this is red hot. It feels red hot,

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<v Speaker 1>and it smells red hot. Will it be? Let's all

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<v Speaker 1>learn together. But as for again that Matt Kean appointment,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know our dear friend j. Hildebrand, he'll find

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<v Speaker 1>any way of saying the government's doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well today he's gone about as hard as you possibly

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<v Speaker 1>can say. No, this is a terrible idea. Wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>great column today. It's up on the Telegraph's website. The

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<v Speaker 1>appointment of Matt Kean to the Abaneze government's new climate

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<v Speaker 1>Zar has all the hallmarks about being about of self harm.

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<v Speaker 1>A better move would have been to a point a

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<v Speaker 1>more mainstream, non partisan figure who would bolster the authority's

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<v Speaker 1>credibility among cynics rather than true believers. Halla freaking Lujah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see if the Canbra Columbos can pick up the

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<v Speaker 1>magnifying glass or whether they will just let the trail

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<v Speaker 1>go cold because it's their side of politics that they back.

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<v Speaker 1>In now mixed bag of opinion polls about nuclear power,

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<v Speaker 1>do my best often mispronounced thank you for all of

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<v Speaker 1>the emails. Well, of course Peter Dutton has put it

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<v Speaker 1>to front and center. It is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>major fight between now and the next election, and in

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<v Speaker 1>fact the first question time since it was all formally announced.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember six of the seven sites are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be inside coalition electorates. This was the blow up and

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<v Speaker 1>the scare campaigns in question time. The economics of nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>do not stack up.

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<v Speaker 3>The Leader of the Opposition's view on nuclears is risky

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<v Speaker 3>extremism at its worst, and that's why it's falling down

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<v Speaker 3>all around here, mister speaker.

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<v Speaker 4>The question for the Leader of the Opposition is how

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<v Speaker 4>does a big bill lead to cheaper energy? Has ever

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<v Speaker 4>release that this is bigger? He's got the most expensive

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<v Speaker 4>form of energy available. They think they know better than

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<v Speaker 4>the CSIRO, but they won't release their costs.

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<v Speaker 5>The critical issue here is that what they are proposing

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<v Speaker 5>is economic insanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, but interestingly, a Penny dudn't had a question that

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<v Speaker 1>gets right to the heart of what we've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the CSIRO. You know the economic models of the CSORO.

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<v Speaker 1>But still they're a trusted institution because they invented wi

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<v Speaker 1>FI all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the CSIIRO, but I don't turn to them

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<v Speaker 1>for costings on anything. They are a scientific organization. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember twenty seventeen they said the full roll out of

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<v Speaker 1>renewables one tea for trillion dollars. The current cost of

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<v Speaker 1>the complete removal of what worked to the system that

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<v Speaker 1>this government wants half a trillion dollars, five hundred billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>How much is the transformation that Peter Dutton's talking about. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's less than half a trillion dollars, So let's put

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<v Speaker 1>some numbers on the table. Here was the government being

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<v Speaker 1>asked a rather direct question by the alternative Prime Today

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<v Speaker 1>prom Minister, what is the total cost of the government's

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<v Speaker 1>energy plan and what will the capacity investment scheme cost

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 1>tax payers? But guess what the answer was, Ah, no responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>No responsibility. Well you've got to hand it to the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the opposition. At a time when the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of us are working to get power bills down, he's

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<v Speaker 1>picked the one option guaranteed to Priss power prices up?

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<v Speaker 1>What Chris power price is up? Ha ha? Or answer

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<v Speaker 1>the question your call siron. Meantime, that polling which I

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<v Speaker 1>said was mixed. First, let's go to the Daily Telegraph,

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<v Speaker 1>was repeated, of course in the Courier Mail, there, Old Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>the TiSER, the Mercury, and plenty of other places. Six

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<v Speaker 1>in ten Australians say that they support nuclear energy as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the nation's energy mixer, boosts of the opposition

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<v Speaker 1>leader and his wont to build seven power plants, six

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<v Speaker 1>of them in his own electorates. Of course that's me

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<v Speaker 1>adding the detail by twenty to fifty in every location

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<v Speaker 1>except Melbourne. What a surprise. There was a majority support

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<v Speaker 1>for the Australian nuclear energy industry, but this backing fell

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<v Speaker 1>away someone once you started to get specific and said

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<v Speaker 1>well what if it was going to be in your region. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>financial review they showed this one here outright support for

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<v Speaker 1>nuclears at forty percent. Now that is lower than the

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<v Speaker 1>number that was in the Resolve poll yesterday. Now why

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<v Speaker 1>do people oppose it? They oppose it because it is

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<v Speaker 1>economically unfeasible. That's the elbow argument. That's eighteen percent four

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<v Speaker 1>percent of people or actually less than four percent of

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>people are worried about the waste. Other people say they

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<v Speaker 1>should focus on renewables. That's four percent, and they opposed

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<v Speaker 1>because of one or more of the above. Twenty nine percent,

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<v Speaker 1>six percent unsure. So let's always use the rule about

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<v Speaker 1>undecideds that half of them go yes, half of them

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<v Speaker 1>go no. That's still not enough to get to fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Hence why the polling would be good for those that

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>are arguing against it. Right now, remember, we try to

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<v Speaker 1>show you the facts here. We don't just tell you

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the opinion we have it, but we try to show

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<v Speaker 1>you the data. I'm not just going to spoon feed

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<v Speaker 1>you all of the stuff that sells one side of

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<v Speaker 1>the story. That's a pole that shows that the hill

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>is still there to climb, but there's not as many

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<v Speaker 1>undecideds as there are in other poles. Meantime, what reads

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>an awful lot like some political advice to the Labor

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Party comes today via Old antipk in the ABC's website.

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Of course, patriciavellis breakfast host there on Radio National. Forget

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<v Speaker 1>the three eyed blinky bill. We should focus the nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>debate on what real voters, particularly women, are telling us

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>who should be focusing the debate, We should focus the debate?

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<v Speaker 1>What side is she speaking on? The behalf of oh

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<v Speaker 1>of course commentary? Oh but I don't write the headline. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>men don't mind nuclear when asked about their future, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one percent say yes. But women are worried only nineteen percent,

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<v Speaker 1>so they supported forty percent. So they're expressing an opposition.

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>This is an article that is a repeat of an article,

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>same website, but a different person this time Annabel Krab

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<v Speaker 1>saying Peter Dunnan is a true believer or nuclear as

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to Australia's energy problems. But I need to

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>convince the voting public. Inside that voting public is a

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of data that she serves up among others that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course say, it's all about gender, and there's a

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>great difference when it comes to gender. You know, Pedda Dutton,

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<v Speaker 1>ugaboogirl bad, all the rest of it. The Stradia's version

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump. In the meantime, let's talk about the American

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>version of Trump, who is about to go to debate

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden. It'll be so Friday. You can watch at

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<v Speaker 1>eleven o'clock here on sky News also myself and the wonderful,

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 1>amazing Persian Princess, my dear friend, my beautiful buddy, none

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>other than the wonderful reader Panehy and I will also

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 1>be watching the debate and you will see some highlights

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 1>of our sort of funny take on it all at

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>sky news dot com that are you in the afternoon,

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:47.959
<v Speaker 1>and you'll see highlights on her show as well on

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Friday night. Now, let's have a look at the different

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>approaches that they are taking to this debate. Now, Biden

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>is being fed the information via some debate prep where

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>he is going behind closed door and he's role playing

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>and working out what answers to give Donald Trump not

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>really interested in doing his homework. He thinks that he

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>can wing it. Now that didn't really work in twenty twenty,

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>if we're honest, remember that train crash. Well, he thinks

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>he'll be able to off the top of his head,

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm a genius, I know mit all the rest of it,

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>that he will end up in a good place. Well,

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>we learn today via Politico, which is a hardcore insider's

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>news website in Washington, about the two different styles that

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>are taking place, and Trump's really happy he's not studying.

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>In fact, he is kind of wailing on the nerd

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:40.959
<v Speaker 1>here right now, Kroker Joe's going to a lark cabin

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<v Speaker 1>to study. Prepare, No, he's sleeping now. And as we

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>brought you last night. But just in case you didn't

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>see the Sunday show, he thinks they're going to fill

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.959
<v Speaker 1>in full of stuff that isn't vitamins. So he has

0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:00.040
<v Speaker 1>an energetic performance on Friday. So a little before it

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<v Speaker 1>the big time, he gets a shut in the ass

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's they want to strengthen them up, so he

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<v Speaker 1>comes out. He'll come out, okay, I say, he'll come

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>out all jacked up, right. And while Biden's behind closed doors,

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>his vice president is doing the well up selling. Let's

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>turn this thing up to eleven, twelve thirteen. They're breaking

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the knob on how important the election is. But it's

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>not just Kamala Harris, it's her husband saying the world

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<v Speaker 1>will end if you vote for Trump. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>win the selection. We have to win the selection. Literally,

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>our country, our world depends on us winning a selection.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's what's going to happen. Man. That guy's about

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<v Speaker 1>as exciting as that beach. I love America, but I'll

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 1>take our beaches each and every time. Don't forget that

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>special goggle box he sort of attempt from myself and

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<v Speaker 1>read it. It'll be at scottyus dot com dot you

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<v Speaker 1>in the afternoon highlights. Of course, Friday night, the whole

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 1>thing starts eleven am watching life here on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 1>I think popping up with Laura Jayson, the lead up

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>to it with James Morrow. So be here all day Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be fun quick break back with more looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to this one. No sooks, no lefties, Bromwin, Bishop, Senator

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Matt Canavan, what do they think of Matt Kean and

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<v Speaker 1>so much more talk about it next. I am so

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<v Speaker 1>excited to be speaking about our lovely friends here this

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night. No sooks, no lefties, and they're very comfortable

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>with that, and so you and so am I. None

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<v Speaker 1>other than the wonderful brob and Bishop Cary out a

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>champ as always. Let's bring a forward in the week

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<v Speaker 1>to the Monday night, and none of them wonderful Senner

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Canavan who joins us now for his sins in Canberra.

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<v Speaker 1>Just what bout the fact it's a job he applied for.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, okay, the Matt Keane thing, Senator, let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with you again. Look, I look, we are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that he was leaving the parliament and announced it

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<v Speaker 1>last Tuesday, he was going to the private sector, and

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>then magically some planets are aligned and he now ends

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<v Speaker 1>up with a job not in the private sector, which

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 1>obviously presumably was more attractive than his salary in the parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead he ends up working for the Albanese government. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about this one? And are you looking

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>forward to sended estimates getting into the details on this one.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, look, it does smell we can all see that.

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<v Speaker 5>But look, look, Paul, I'm actually excited. I'm excited by

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 5>the appointment because this has completely destroyed any resembling any

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 5>left integrity for the Climate Change Authority, so it'll be

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 5>a lot easier for us to get rid of. We

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 5>should abolish this organization. It's a complete waste of time.

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<v Speaker 5>There are a lot of these organizations that have grown

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 5>like Topsy here in Canberra, and we do need to

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<v Speaker 5>have a strong agenda here to rid the bureaucracy from

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:44.320
<v Speaker 5>this town and get it off the backs of Australian businesses.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is another useless organization. It costs seventeen million

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 5>dollars a year of your money. And as I say,

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<v Speaker 5>and there's hundreds of others like this that have populated Canberra.

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<v Speaker 5>Even in the two years that this government's been in charge,

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:59.319
<v Speaker 5>they've employed thirty thousand more public servants. It's costing seven

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<v Speaker 5>billion dollars year extra and so we've got to cut

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<v Speaker 5>that down to get that off the backs of people.

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<v Speaker 5>So Matt Kin, look, he's one appointment, but there's lots

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 5>of others that we should be looking at here to

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<v Speaker 5>save you money and get our economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie. So his partners was going to be Joyce's take

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<v Speaker 1>on him going from the Blue team to the Red team,

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<v Speaker 1>even though we know he was never really on the

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<v Speaker 1>Blue team. What's the aliens consistent is this guy is treacherous.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's consistent.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course in the past can now sit back

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<v Speaker 3>and go he was never in our party.

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<v Speaker 1>He's way, we should have joined the Labor Party at

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the start when he left school. Now, Bromin, do you

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 1>think that there is an issue here that somebody should

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the magnifying glass and try and do a

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>bit of Canber Columbo ing on all. The reality is that.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course there's but there are a couple of other

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<v Speaker 6>things to say. I'm sure Albert would love to have

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<v Speaker 6>appointed Malcolm Turnbull. But I've always said, of course that

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 6>Malcolm Turnbull was the orgham grinder and Matt King was

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 6>the monkey, and so they were pointed the monkey and

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<v Speaker 6>has good riddance to bad rubbish as failure as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 6>But I agree with you, Matt. I do think it

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<v Speaker 6>just strips away the credibility. I'd said early on before

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<v Speaker 6>the state election that if Perrote lost, you could lay

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 6>the blame at Matt Keane's feet because he showed no

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 6>understanding of what the people need. So the questions that

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 6>you were discussing in your editorial are very serious ones,

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 6>and I think it's a logical way for people to

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<v Speaker 6>start looking at it so well, again.

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<v Speaker 1>It will all be proven to be above board.

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<v Speaker 6>And I just suspect that, you know, this government seems

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<v Speaker 6>to be so slap happy about the way they do

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<v Speaker 6>things that look at the eyes and look at the

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<v Speaker 6>t's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, now, let's talk about again the pulling in

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 1>a manucular and Senator, you put me right last week,

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>because remember I was talking about this this and this

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and this demographic and this, and see what happens. You're saying,

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>forget all that, don't overcomplicated, is that the right thing

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 1>to do is the wrong thing to do. Some poles

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 1>have come in showing that, you know, mid forties, some

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 1>poles are showing low forties, some poles saying single digits

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>for undecided. The main poll coming out of the nine

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>newspapers shows twenty two percent of people are undecided. Now,

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, you would think if you're undecided, you can

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>be one over to the argument. But what's your sense

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>of week on from where we were in this conversation.

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.479
<v Speaker 5>Well, look, I think most of this sort of polling

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 5>is useless. Sorry, I mean, we waste a lot of time.

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 5>But people don't vote or go in and vote and

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 5>way up a laundry list of different items and sort

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.800
<v Speaker 5>of can't spit out a particular algorithm. They vote on

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 5>who they think is on their side. So our challenge

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 5>is to prove to people that what we focused on

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 5>is a cost of living target. We want to get

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 5>your cost of living down, and a useless artificial arbitrary

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 5>emissions target, and the governors showed themselves in the last

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 5>few weeks that they are prioritizing the international agreements they

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 5>have signed or we as a country have signed in Paris,

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 5>that they have committed targets to. They are prioritizing that

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 5>over your cost of living. They are more wild. They

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 5>seem to get more angry at Peter Dutton suggesting that

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.800
<v Speaker 5>it might not be in our nation's best interest to

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 5>not meet these international targets that know other country's meeting

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 5>than they do about the cost of living crisis facing

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 5>Australian's families. I don't see the promise to getting angry

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 5>about the shocking house prices and rents that young Australians

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:30.439
<v Speaker 5>have to face right now. I don't see him getting

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 5>angry about his mismanagement of our border and how many

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 5>people he's led to this country. And I don't see

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 5>him getting angry at the cost of living that we

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 5>all face in the shops and petrol station everywhere we go.

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 5>So that's our focus. That's what we've got if we

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 5>focus on that and camprove to people that our nuclear policy,

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.359
<v Speaker 5>a gas policy, or housing policy at migration policy are

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 5>all targeted at a cost of living target, then we'll

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.359
<v Speaker 5>win their support. It won't be decided on individual line

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:56.280
<v Speaker 5>items that we've back.

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>So bronwin, I believe it or not. There are people

0:39:58.160 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 1>of the leaft who watch the show and hate watching

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>because they get a bit of information every now and

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>then about some of the good ideas we have on

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the program. But I'm still going to give ask this question,

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 1>how does the coalition move from here? How do they

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 1>win the debate? How do they move the ball closer

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to fifty percent and then above fifty.

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, I think the important way that Dutton is handling

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 6>this is this this is a complicated idea, if you like,

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 6>it's new to discussion, and so he's making sure that

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 6>people can look at the arguments.

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:30.439
<v Speaker 1>One by one.

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 6>And the first thing was to say, yes, we are

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 6>going to have nuclear reactors and this is where they're

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 6>going to be, because the big debate was always do

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 6>you want it in your backyard or where's it going

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 6>to be?

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 1>That was the big question.

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 6>So that question has been answered now, so people are

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 6>now thinking about that what that means to the cost

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 6>of living to people who were going to lose their

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 6>jobs and those electorates, then we look at it being

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 6>hooked into the question of cost of living. So it's

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 6>making sure that people follow the debate step by step,

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 6>and I think mister Dutton understands that very well and

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 6>is doing it well. Now interestingly enough, it's going to

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 6>hit home now. I got my electricity bill yesterday. It's

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 6>up two hundred dollars, despite the fact that I had

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.440
<v Speaker 6>renegotiated a contract which is supposed to be an eighteen

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 6>percent discount. I spoke to somebody else who'd received a

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 6>bill of fifteen hundred dollars, which was up from eight

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 6>hundred dollars. So there are going to be a lot

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.280
<v Speaker 6>of people who are going to be seeing their bills

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 6>increase at a time when they're being told, oh, you're

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 6>going to get seventy five dollars a quarter off, and

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 6>really we promised you two hundred and seventy five off

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 6>your original bill. They know that the statement that the

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 6>government makes that wind power and solar power is the

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 6>cheapest form of energy is just not true because you

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 6>have to factor in how you get that.

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Wind and solar along a line.

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 6>Generated into your home also, and that got a total

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 6>cost has to be the cost and the cost of

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 6>getting that infrastructure up is between one point three and

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 6>one point five trillion.

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, exactly, exactly right, not to mention all of the

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.319
<v Speaker 1>stuff to actually secure it, which of course is gas.

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Going to take a quick break because Matt nine in

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a second are going to explain how the Queensland government

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>has been undermining the coal fire power stations that actually

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:28.800
<v Speaker 1>keep the lights on. Quick break back with more that

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 1>vapes and a whole lot more if we've got time,

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 1>hopefully I'll make the time a little bit of debate

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>prep for the Donald. Want to see one of a

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 1>brober Bishop is here. The wonderful Matt Canavan is here

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.799
<v Speaker 1>as well. Matt, let's talk about a story today, going

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 1>back to some power plant problems in Queensland. This is

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>when you know they run the verge of blackouts because

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a fire inside a inside a power station. Well,

0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>guess who's been blamed for it today? The Queen's government.

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Help us explain.

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.320
<v Speaker 5>Yes, Look, Paul, there was an explosion at the Calli

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.839
<v Speaker 5>coul fired power station a few years ago. It's been

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 5>out ever since. Some of the units have been out

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 5>ever since, and that has cost Australian businesses and families

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 5>billions of dollars because that lack of colified power has

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 5>clearly inflated the price from different times at different times,

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 5>and the queens and Government have been fighting tooth and

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 5>nail the public publication or against the publication of an

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 5>independent expert report about what caused that explosion. Finally, in

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 5>the Federal Court given some other action taken by a

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 5>private party, that report has been made public and it's

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 5>clear we know now why the queensand Government has been

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 5>fighting that. That report concludes that the explosion occurred at

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 5>least in part because of mismanagement or cost cutting by

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 5>the Queensland government. And I think the question now has

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 5>to be raised, are they starving coal fired power stations

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 5>of needed maintenance because obviously have they don't like coal

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.399
<v Speaker 5>and got a stated policy to walk away from coal

0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 5>fire power. Were their political positions influencing the budgets they

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.760
<v Speaker 5>were giving to cold fire power stations and therefore putting workers'

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 5>rights at risk? I mean, I should say people, I've

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 5>visited the POWERstation just after only a few months after

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 5>the explosion. It wasn't just a fire. That this was

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:27.160
<v Speaker 5>a terrible event. Chunks of metal were sent hundreds of

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 5>meters through the sky through a shed, right through a

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:31.360
<v Speaker 5>shed and continue to fly into a car park. It

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 5>was a miracle no one was heard or injured. And

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of questions. Now the Queens of Government

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 5>has an answer. I should also say that the while

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 5>the explosion wasn't caused by hydrogen, the lack of temperature

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 5>control ignited hydrogen, according to this report, at least and

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.920
<v Speaker 5>caused then that led to this massive explosion. And you

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 5>know we're constantly told or the labor the government wants

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 5>to future of their power.

0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Is the answer, Well, that's right.

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 5>I mean, if you think nuclear it's unsafe, way to

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 5>you hear about hydrogen.

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:02.959
<v Speaker 1>I thook.

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 5>I think we can manage these risks as a modern economy,

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 5>but hydrogen is highly explosive, hard to contain, and the

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.800
<v Speaker 5>garment's glibly is what We're going down this path and

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 5>putting massive amounts of hydrogen bunkers in our major ports,

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.839
<v Speaker 5>and I don't think they're doing enough serious work about

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.280
<v Speaker 5>how to make sure the safety of workers and towns

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 5>near that hydrogen are kept saying.

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's sort with the vap's decision, because it is a

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>rather significant reversal, which was ban ban baned, No, no, no,

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>we're going to hire inspectors. Go around now it's after October.

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Just ask your pharmacist.

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 6>Look, I think it's quite shocking because this is the

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 6>result of a deal with the Greens, and we know

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 6>the Greens are pro drugs, and of course marijuana can

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:52.280
<v Speaker 6>be vaped, yes, And I dare say that by forcing

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 6>it on pharmacists, they're trying to get it away from

0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 6>the tobacconists, where there is great evidence that there's been

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 6>an involvement of drug cartels and it has got to

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 6>the stage where I am told that if there's a

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 6>tobacconist in a building, particularly in Melbourne, that the building

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 6>may not be ensured because of the bombings and so on.

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 6>So this is criminality involved in voping and to put

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 6>that into pharmacies which are trusted.

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Is just appalling. Well and a point in time where

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 1>is a kid you turn around and go hang on

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:33.239
<v Speaker 1>the same place that I'm supposed to get the drugs

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>to keep me healthy they sell told the past that

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:36.879
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense. Now it's going to be the place

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to go and get your alternative to smoke.

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 5>It's absurd. It's absurd. It's absurd.

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:43.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a plot.

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:48.279
<v Speaker 6>I think, I really do. I just think that there

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:52.480
<v Speaker 6>is in this deal because the Greens are involved in.

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>It, because of horses.

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 6>It's a trojan horse. Yes, that they want drugs to

0:46:57.120 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 6>be sold through pharmacists.

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>To me, yeah, I mean again, look whether this becomes

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.799
<v Speaker 1>the like, should there ever be a point in time

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:08.320
<v Speaker 1>when certain things become legalized? Is this the way that

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>you control the system.

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think we need a legal, regulated market. Problems

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 5>right about what's happening in stores around the country, but

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 5>that's because we've created a black market. I think consenting

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 5>adults should be able to vape if they so choose.

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 5>The key thing is to keep it out of kid's hands,

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.479
<v Speaker 5>keep it out of schools, and we had create a legal,

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 5>regulated environment where that can happen without criminal gangs. But

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 5>the government's approaches failed. Their prescription model they had in

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 5>they were going to introduce is now not going to

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 5>be introduced. In fact, it's apparently going to be introduced

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 5>for three months and then they're going to switch to

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.879
<v Speaker 5>this Greens model in pharmacies. It's a complete notother joke

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 5>and a mess. They should start again here and get

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 5>this right from the get go.

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm going to Melbourne on the weekend. I'll be

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 6>speaking to the Drug Advisory Council of Australia, which is

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 6>a very important group which is fighting against illicit drugs

0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:03.359
<v Speaker 6>becoming mainstream in Australian communities. They do a very good

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:07.720
<v Speaker 6>job and I know there'll be discussion about this issue.

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, I look forward to that chat when we come

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 1>back this time next week. I do appreciate it. Thank

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 1>you so much, Brobmin And by the way, of course,

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 1>problem was very kind. She which she was meant to

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 1>be at some fancy performance tonight. What was the name

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 1>of this Yale singing group that you.

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 6>I did it earlier today. Yes, and pops the withff

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 6>and poofs from Yale University.

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Matt, I know those, so they're great. You know that

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 1>we've got them on our Spotify.

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:33.280
<v Speaker 6>It's an archipelago, yes group and Harvard have the crocodilos

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 6>and yeah, I'll have the Wiffan pools.

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 1>There you go and imagine that and it's singing at

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 1>ten paces. Thank you to appreciate it. Thank you, Senator

0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:43.799
<v Speaker 1>former Senator Ah so good to talk each and every night.

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 1>We'll see you again tomorrow night for another edition of

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Paul Murray Live. Remember you can west them an email

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Paul at sky news dot com dot au. We've got

0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 1>a full house for our obi on Sunday, the Ourtown

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>program which were very much looking forward to, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Late Debate. It begins right now on Sky News