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Speaker 2: This is letting me out.

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Speaker 3: We're on now, Rosy just letting people know that Cooper's

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Speaker 2: Well, I've seen such a bit.

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Speaker 1: I've seen some of your press conferences this year, so

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, kids, is just running me through who

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, what was a massive kick in

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Speaker 1: the guts was Rosy said, so whose podcast is this?

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Speaker 4: Is this?

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Speaker 1: Yours? Isn't Maddie, which obviously he hasn't listened to a

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Speaker 1: So we're very offended, Rosy. But thanks for coming all

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Speaker 4: Forty eight Would you would.

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Speaker 2: Have putted in the GBS gol what no.

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Speaker 1: No, Well it's nice because you you know, when I

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Speaker 3: He was a great, great coach and made he you know,

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Speaker 3: I ran the ball up and I stepped and stumbled

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Speaker 4: Tea parties in Joey's room.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, role is. I don't know many

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Speaker 3: some tough calls on fan favorites like GAFA, and you're

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Speaker 3: How hard is it, Rosie, And how much sort of

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Speaker 3: And it's been like it has been when when the

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Speaker 4: Year, player of the years. Yeah, and there wasn't anything

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Speaker 4: With no not off the top of my head, but

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Speaker 4: But I let them go, you know, like it it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had a couple of year recruits here, veteran

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Speaker 4: He's like your backbone guy. He's you're seven out of

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Speaker 3: So I was really impressed play football like you a

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Actually mag used to bring him over as a young

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Speaker 3: Mate, Like you know, if you're talking, he doesn't get

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Speaker 3: He's gone neck and neck with Nathan this year. He's

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Speaker 4: Mitchell come from the right support scored the try, so

439
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 4: we had it. We're just trying to brand in that.

440
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 4: I've been trying to encourage him to do that year,

441
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 4: just like we need to score more ad lib tries

442
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,199
Speaker 4: in regards to instead of just trying to manufacture anything.

443
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 3: So that's that's a hard thing that for half that

444
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 3: that's almost compartmentalizing to gain right, I'm going to steer

445
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 3: the side and push around the part at the same

446
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 3: time going to play in front foot.

447
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just being really clear with if you get

448
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 4: tackled on play for will work it out. Yeah, you

449
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 4: know what I mean. There's times where you really need

450
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 4: to set up for your kick, but then there's other

451
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 4: times we're going you keep going.

452
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: Well, he started as Mitch was a fullback, like initially

453
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 1: in twenties, I believe, so I think that's where a

454
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: lot of his running game and support play came from.

455
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: And then obviously he shifted to seven where probably all of

456
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: his communication and stuff. He fell into a habit of

457
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: losing that part of his game because he had to

458
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: focus so much and other stuff.

459
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 4: I think it was him and Brooks came through.

460
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember there was games. There's some highlights

461
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: him watching a YouTube back in the day when he's

462
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,719
Speaker 1: in twenties. He's scoring like Hunter tries kick return at

463
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: full back because he's running game. He's that quick, quick

464
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: as half out there.

465
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we're pretty cool. But he's underestimated with

466
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 4: his defense as well, just his movements and his decisions

467
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 4: and his ability to lock that edge down.

468
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: So he's strong personality. He's a challenging much not so

469
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 3: much challenge, But does he come to you and want more.

470
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 4: Or I've said this openly to him and I reckon,

471
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: I've got him at a good time of his career.

472
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 4: He's ready, like he wants to win everything. Like, so

473
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 4: he comes in and he wins the toss and it's like,

474
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 4: I got him. It's I love it. I absolutely love it,

475
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 4: and me and Jeniu sort of have a bit of

476
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 4: a giggle about it, but it's yeah, I think I've

477
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 4: got him at a good stage. He's got kids now,

478
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 4: he's got a lovely wife at home. He's got a

479
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 4: nice family, he's building, it's all that sort of thing.

480
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 4: So he's much more settled, and I think, yeah, I

481
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 4: think he's willing to do whatever it takes to help

482
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 4: us win, and that you know, that means helping the

483
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 4: young kids and obviously gives him a tickle up every

484
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 4: now and then. But compared to what we had coming through, that's.

485
00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: Spray.

486
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's yeah, he's ready to to help us do.

487
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: Now, this this has nothing to do with coaching, Rosie,

488
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: but you've just sparked my memory on and I want

489
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: to ask you about it. Talon to Silver's eyebrows. Are

490
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: they the most manicure? Are they the most well kept

491
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: eyebrows that you've ever seen?

492
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 4: I think they're well cared.

493
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: Brazilian is Portuguese?

494
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

495
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: Is he Portuguese?

496
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

497
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: Well they are unbelievable. I saw a picture of him.

498
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 4: The other day.

499
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: Portuguese people, No, no, the food from Portugal is great, but

500
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: the eyebrows to food Portuguese chicken.

501
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: Let's look, come on, name is the Portuguese dish?

502
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: Portuguese chicken is.

503
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: Chicken, but it's like it's but it's chicken. What's a dish?

504
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: Come on?

505
00:23:49,000 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 5: Pela, Yeah, the wolves ross Portuguese great food a porthos

506
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 5: not Portuguese food, mate.

507
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Rosie. When you're an assister goach, did you

508
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: ever want to be a head coach or did this

509
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: just kind of happen the more you did it?

510
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, my first ever coaching experience was head killed

511
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 4: captain coach at West in Wollongong.

512
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a good breed around that club.

513
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 4: Good. Yeah. Yeah. So then the second year I was

514
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 4: going to solely coach and then we got short and

515
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 4: then I played a few games, but yeah, I had

516
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: that experience and that's probably the hardest thing I've ever done,

517
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 4: Like captain coaching really from the front row. Yeah, at

518
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 4: a stage of your life where food is good, but

519
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 4: you're sort of getting this bug of coaching and then

520
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: you're trying to manage the players. But then you go ship,

521
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 4: I've got to play well as well, So yeah, like

522
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: it's one of the hardest. As a half back, I

523
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 4: reckon it'd be, it'd be fun. Yeah, playing in the

524
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 4: front was actually really hard. So extension a little bit.

525
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye two that age role playing in the local competition,

526
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: which some games can.

527
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: Be catch and kill. At that point your career you

528
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: must have been waking up.

529
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: A little bit a little bit. Yeah, I've never said

530
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: that a little bit, but yeah, But then that's how

531
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: the bug sort of came with coaching. So that was

532
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: kind of my first experience. But then when I went

533
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 4: down to Melbourne the like after two years, went down

534
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 4: there and was an assistant. I was really happy to

535
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: do that as long as I could, you know. And

536
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: then just over time you kind of start thinking about

537
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 4: because I was pretty hungry for PD like just getting out,

538
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 4: and that's how I sort of met up with Eddie

539
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 4: and through Dean Bent and he sort of hooked me

540
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 4: up with Eddie, and then I went over there and

541
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 4: then I seen a little bit of that and then

542
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: and then you start to think, you know what I mean,

543
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: And then yeah, so that's.

544
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: How it sort of So how did Melbourne come about that?

545
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: How did was that a comment like did you just

546
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: reach out to Belly and say I want to be

547
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: an assistant coach or they look looking for someone at

548
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: the time.

549
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what happened was I'd been down there once

550
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: or twice just to do a bit of bumper stuff

551
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 4: and a bit of tackle tech and all that sort

552
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 4: of stuff. But and justin Morgan left, I think, and

553
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: then there was an opportunity, and then Frank just kind

554
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: of rang. I might have rang Frank and yeah, anyway,

555
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 4: so as it goes, and might I spoke to Adam

556
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: O'Brien maybe, yeah, because he was our assistant down there.

557
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 4: And then that's how it sort of came. And then

558
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 4: Alana wasn't that keen to go back because she was

559
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 4: just getting settled today and I was just like, I'm going,

560
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 4: I'm new wife. Yeah, so I had to talk her

561
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 4: around and then she came around pretty quick. She's super supportive,

562
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: but it's and then that's how.

563
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: It come about because that because that crew down there,

564
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: like the people always talk about how the playing stuff

565
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: and the like the playing group and the clubs so tight,

566
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: but the coaching staff down there is so tight too,

567
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: same sort of thing. Everyone's no one's from Melbourne, so

568
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: the coaching stuff become just as tight as the playing group.

569
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like it's the same as the playing group.

570
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: Like you don't have any other support down there, so

571
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 4: we sort of Lana and I without two little girls,

572
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 4: Like we didn't have any support, so you kind of

573
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: relied on the coaching staffs. Wives and anyone involved in

574
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: the club, and you and I can't. He was really

575
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 4: good for us as well, So you just get used

576
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 4: to being around each other all the time, where you know,

577
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 4: you struck up these relationships and.

578
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: You were always keen like the role. Barbecue at Rosies

579
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: became a weekly occurrence for me.

580
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: And fifty dollars experience the groceries.

581
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: Dead said there was that much meat, but Rolsey would

582
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: cook up on the bar. Remember one time.

583
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: Would do those skewers. Yeah before for a week. Yeah,

584
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 4: but remember remember.

585
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: All I still screaming, I'll met a colon over.

586
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: Remember I brought I brought Uncle Joey one night, Remember

587
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: that we're still the amount, and he was pretty like

588
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: I think he'd had a few leading into the dinner.

589
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: Remember we're all sit me, you and Harry. I think

590
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: Curtis Scott was there as well. We're sitting there listening

591
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: and I don't reckon any of us. Spoke for two hours,

592
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: and Joey just spun these stories after stories, and I

593
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: remember that they started getting so far fetched that I

594
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: think he realized that we were all laughing at how

595
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: untrue they were. So then he'd start going like start

596
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: calling himself Pinocchio because going remember that, Oh that was

597
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: so fun?

598
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: What about Rossie gone? English Rugby Union, which culturally, imagine

599
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: the side is very very different to National Rugby League Australia.

600
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: You've got blokes who have obviously come out of a

601
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: high you know, affluent, very affluent families, you know, private schools,

602
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: all that stuff. How did you find the culture of

603
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: those sides?

604
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, surprisingly it was very similar to Melbourne. Like even

605
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: though yeah they were highly paid boys. They you know

606
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: they Prince Harry was in their phone and text and

607
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: like that. That's that's how connected they all kind of were. Yeah,

608
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 4: the team had security. We had two security guards full

609
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: time just because they're seen as a security threat allegedly apparently.

610
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, the World cups on.

611
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. But but in regards to the work ethic, the

612
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: diligence in and around their training, how hard they go

613
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: training like the union boys, Like I know they from

614
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: a league point of view, it's a bit of a

615
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: they see it as a in inverted commas softer game. But

616
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: it is not one bit at all that they train

617
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: those years. Don't get the way they do just through

618
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: a couple of things, they go hard.

619
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Mate, in what in what aspect Rossie, because obviously like

620
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: NRL is very conditioning based, like that sort of training

621
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: is highly intense. You know a lot of long running,

622
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff off the ground. What part of

623
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: the English rugby union training is very hard.

624
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: The scrum they do live scrums and I think it's

625
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: all the rugby. Like I've seen it at the Wallabies

626
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: as well, and they did the live scrums and if

627
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: you've watched one of them live, like they get up

628
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 4: and they're seeing stars like the front rowers and that.

629
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: So that there's that and then just the way Eddie

630
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: had them train and it was it was full on

631
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 4: the breakdown. They can test the breakdown physical. I was physical, mate,

632
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: And they're huge, big number seven.

633
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah there's a big tong and you had that whole.

634
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: Captain now so but yeah, like but they're all big

635
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: and and but you you have this perception of them

636
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: being the short, fat guy, tall guy. But they all

637
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: have a purpose and there's all there's the reason why

638
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: they are the shape they are and yeah, but I

639
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 4: think yeah, the way Eddie had them training like that,

640
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: they were fit and ready to go and hence the

641
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 4: reason why they only just missed out on.

642
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: The World Cup mate Rossie. Just one more. And as

643
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: far as English rugby union, the Northern boys who had

644
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: the background and rugby league, Owen Farrell, George Ford, how

645
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: were they the Northern players compared to the Southern players.

646
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: Was so much difference in how they operated.

647
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: No, not not as much. It was like they still

648
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: all had the same work ethic, Like obviously. One thing

649
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: I did notice is of them knew the NRL like

650
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: they followed it like we watched the Origins. Everyone more

651
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: over there, like it was a big thing and everyone

652
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 4: to get down there and they'd all watch it like

653
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: it was a bit of an occasion with the Origin

654
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 4: jersey at the back.

655
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: It's about the tea party.

656
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was, you know, I want and George

657
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: that like I think they especially and like he could

658
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: have played league easily. I think most of his juniors,

659
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to get him.

660
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he was younger, when we're over there, I

661
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: remember he was coming through as a kid, trying to

662
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: get him there he's but I imagine media is a

663
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: whole another level for English rugby unions havebloid media.

664
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, so there's that and the biggest thing

665
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 4: I noticed. So the day they open it up for

666
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: the media, the captain run, that's when the media is

667
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: allowed to set it. It's like from the twenty medle

668
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 4: line to twenty medle line and it's side by side, cameras,

669
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: reporters like everything. It is just like it's a whole.

670
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: I was like, I remember the first time I seen it,

671
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 4: and I said one of the other coaches, like this

672
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 4: normal time, This is just normal. Wow wow, okay.

673
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Sweet, did you get kind of the cameras much over there?

674
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.

675
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: Took on Eddie over there, but also made a sort

676
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: of toilert took on Andy Farrell and he was out

677
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: here for the Lions tour.

678
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: He was coach. Mate.

679
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 3: They won the series, but mate, he was under it,

680
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: you know, he was under attack from the media over

681
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: there from bringing one out. Regardless of how much experienced

682
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: anyone has got, the quality of the player.

683
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: Well, on one copped a bit as well, so hence

684
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 4: the reason he ended up. I think it was a

685
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 4: rassling the French comp Yeah, ended up going there. So

686
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: there's a bit more of the story that I don't

687
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: know about it, but I think there was a there's

688
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure because he was England captain for

689
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: a long time and yeah, because they hadn't won a

690
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: World Cup, there was a fair bit gun on there.

691
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a whole other level. Yeah.

692
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Any any players that you looked at that it's

693
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: ever gone through your mind as far as recruitment at all, any.

694
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: Of the rugby boys, not not really like but there's

695
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 4: obviously ones you'd see like Owen and George and those guys,

696
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: And there's like there's a few of the outside backs

697
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: that I think could convert over like a Markie Mark, Like, like,

698
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 4: he's actually surprised me at how quickly he's adapted. Like

699
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: I knew physically that he was, like I'd seen him

700
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 4: do all the catching and all that sort of thing

701
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: at training and that type of thing, but I just

702
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 4: didn't think it would be so defensively, it's so different

703
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 4: for him because he basically works the backfield in rugby,

704
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: so it's not a whole heap of defensive decisions or

705
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: anything like that. So obviously still got a little bit

706
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: of a way to go there. Like the stuff feels

707
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: done with the footage freaky.

708
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 3: And you know, like he came on the show and

709
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: were assuming So what was the hardest thing as far

710
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 3: as adapting. He said it was the training. He said,

711
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: Literally the first day I trained, he said, I passed out.

712
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that hard.

713
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: What about advice versa, Like some of the boys that

714
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: you've coached as assistants and as a head coach, having

715
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: that rugby union knowledge that you do, which could you

716
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: see possibly make a switch the union?

717
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 4: I think the games are so different, like the forwards,

718
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: it would be really hard for them to change over.

719
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: Of course that the little nuances in their roles, Like

720
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 4: it's it's kind of they get all their reps through

721
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: the schools and then like through their school boy careers

722
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 4: and that type of thing, and they get the craft

723
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: in it. Like Richie McCaw. I can't imagine he would

724
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: have made it in the league, but because he was

725
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 4: so smart and he was so they're technically good at

726
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: the breakdown and around the breakdowns, it's a whole nother

727
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 4: beast like and if you're not good in the breakdown,

728
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: then the rest of it doesn't matter as much. So

729
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: it's that's a whole you know, the whole thing in itself.

730
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: Back on the Paramatta boys, and you know, I imagine Yeah,

731
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 3: like when you're a n RL coach and the players

732
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 3: will come from different backgrounds and a lot of those

733
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: households they're from, you know, they come from difficult circumstances,

734
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: and so they look at the coach. Their coach is

735
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: almost like a second father or some in our real kids.

736
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 3: You know, they don't have dads.

737
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: You don't have the father.

738
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: How you said, you've got to be careful what you

739
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: say or any do you find at times if you

740
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: have a training week where you're not at your best

741
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: that rubs off on the side. Do they pick up

742
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: on things like that?

743
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: I think they pick up on everything. That's one thing.

744
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 4: And I think you remember as a player, like your

745
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 4: smell bullshit straight away and smell what's happening around. Then

746
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: the week of the Rooster's game, I got really sick like,

747
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: and I did my best to hide it, and I

748
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 4: probably talked to day three before wise you picked it up. Yeah,

749
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 4: But in saying that, like, I just made sure that

750
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 4: when I got out of the car, if I had

751
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: a normal job all day a week and a half off,

752
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But it was just one

753
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 4: of those times that you just stump up back on

754
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: and just make sure that I'm up for them in

755
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: front of him in meetings and at training and that

756
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: sort of thing, and then get the quadrills into it,

757
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: and then crack on certainly that that energy. Man, I'm

758
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 4: a big believer in that. Yeah, like the energy in

759
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 4: regards to the whole environment, not just the footy team,

760
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: but the whole environment of the club. And then it

761
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 4: all filters through. So again that's why your words are powerful.

762
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: Like just being sarcastic in that time of stuff. I

763
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: try to avoid that just because there's truth in jests

764
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: and it's going to.

765
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: Be careful young blas take literal think there's And I

766
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: asked that question because at the back end of the

767
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: regular season the Melbourne Storm, it was the week that

768
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: Belly had a six hundredth game and there was all

769
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: the celebrations, he had a lot of media and anything,

770
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: and that week was arguably one of the Storm's worst

771
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: performances under Craig's Tanya, and I asked, remember asking Cooper Kronk,

772
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: I said, do you think craigile some ways blame himself?

773
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: And he said.

774
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, definitely, yeah. Yeah. So it's like for me,

775
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: like when we lose or don't perform. Well, I'm always like,

776
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 4: that's on us. I think, yeah, and there's we're the

777
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: ones that are preparing the boys to play, and whether

778
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: it's tactically or did we get the week wrong with

779
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 4: our messaging or was it the theme or was it

780
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: you know, our language in and around the place. So

781
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 4: again where I'm always looking for a little how can

782
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 4: we be better for next week and make sure that

783
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 4: that doesn't happen again?

784
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: Do you being coming from being a player assistant into

785
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: a head coach You're very good at well, I found

786
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: you were very good at Melbourne at being very transparent

787
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: and honestly, like a lot of coaches probably try to

788
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: go about things in a different way. In their head

789
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: they think they might be protecting a player, but in hindsight,

790
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: the players, like you said, they smell bullshit, so they

791
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: just feel being lied to and stuff. Have you taken

792
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: that like it's a different approach to a lot of coaches,

793
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: But do you just try to be as just transparent

794
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: and honest with your players as possible?

795
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the biggest things for me honestly builds trust.

796
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 4: So that's and I think it's more in my personality,

797
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: Like I wouldn't like, I don't lie to my kids.

798
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 4: I don't like within reason obviously.

799
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: But I'll write that down.

800
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: I make an art of it.

801
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: Am I good looking dad? Yeah sure? My good player?

802
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 2: Yeah right?

803
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: A bit harsh, but yeah.

804
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: So like I just try and be as honest as

805
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 4: I can with him, and obviously sometimes the brutal honesty

806
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: sometimes is and I think it's one thing that Brownie

807
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: sort of spoke to me about. He had to learn

808
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: that how we were brought up is different to how

809
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 4: these boys are brought up now. So we just got

810
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: to make sure that we'll get the message right. But

811
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 4: that's there's no bullshit about it.

812
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: So I got to give you at Rosie because I

813
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: still have the am of the belief of this. And

814
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: I think I said it when I boot a storm,

815
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: but I don't reckon I debut was probably as soon

816
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: as I do without you being there, because you're an

817
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: assistant there and you knew obviously a lot of what

818
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: the coaches thought of me where I needed to improve,

819
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: and you were very honest and direct with me with like,

820
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: this is what they think, this is what you need

821
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: to improve, When probably a lot of other coaches wouldn't

822
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: come up to someone who's young and say that to him,

823
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: and you held me to account every day. I remember,

824
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: I like, not that I hated you for it, but

825
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: there were some sessions, Rosie where I was going, just

826
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: give me your break for one day because the big

827
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: thing tackle, Well it was like they wanted to see

828
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: me tackling bigger guys.

829
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: Yea.

830
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: And for six months, Rosie would make me do reps

831
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: after every session with Nelson for lice, big guy, Like

832
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: after big sessions. You just forced me, even if I

833
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: was like, mate, I'm I'm bugger, you go. You got

834
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: to do it, like you just got to be consistent

835
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: with it, and it ended up paying dividends at the

836
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: back end of the year, got to a debut. But

837
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: like that sort of stuff is so important for a coach.

838
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, like for me, like seeing players fulfill their potential

839
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: or giving them the chance to try to feel the

840
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 4: potential that they might not be good enough, but I'm

841
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: talking I'm not talking about you, but they might be

842
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: at the other end, and you know that they are elite,

843
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, So whatever it is, just trying,

844
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 4: like you know, seeing them do that is like very

845
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 4: fulfilling and that's you know, obviously it doesn't happen overnight,

846
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: and it takes time, and I'm seeing a lot of

847
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: that with our boys now, Like it's you know that

848
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 4: they're slowly starting to get it and understand it, and

849
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 4: you know, those little improved We always talk about continuous improvement,

850
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 4: and that's exactly what we did with you. You know,

851
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: just that you're not going to like, there's going to

852
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 4: be days where you don't feel like the doing things,

853
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: but you've just got to get the reps in just

854
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: so that. Yeah, you know, I think Belli says it

855
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: all the time that the best day to do your

856
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 4: extras is when you've had a hard session. Of course,

857
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 4: that's when you don't actually feel like doing it, and

858
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 4: in games you're not going to feel like doing it

859
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: at times as well, but you've just got all those

860
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: reps in the bank because you've just done it. Like,

861
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: I do not feel like it today, but I'm going

862
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 4: to get my twenty reps out and then I'm getting

863
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: off the field. So that's something. Yeah.

864
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Darmia Rosie was he was a scary man during

865
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: that period that that COVID period, remember, because our wrestle

866
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: coach John Donahue. He couldn't travel, he couldn't travel to

867
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: the COVID bubble because you can only take well, this

868
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: is the thing, right, and this is I think this

869
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: was a huge reason why we won the camp that

870
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: year because JD was very Everyone was very scared of

871
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: John Donahue. So when and the sessions when he wasn't there,

872
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: probably leading into that year, you could feel the intensity

873
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: drop down a little bit, just like a tiny bit,

874
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: because people weren't scared as much of him being there.

875
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: And then that year you took a hold of those

876
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: wrecial sessions and initially, I could let you know, from

877
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: a player's point of view, Initially were like, yes, Rosie

878
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: is one of the boys, he'll look after us, he

879
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: won't do that. But I don't know what happened to

880
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: Rosie during that period. He turned into this evil man,

881
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: this evil, angry man, and it almost took us, like

882
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: to a whole new level of training because I don't

883
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: know whether no one expected it.

884
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 4: From him John's instructions or.

885
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: Was that his instruction.

886
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: He was.

887
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: I remember because I was talking, I rang Harry leading this,

888
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: I said, what do you remember from the times of Rosie?

889
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: And he was like, remember when Rosie was just turned

890
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: into like this scary evil human being John two. It was,

891
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: But I imagine that must have been hard for you

892
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: because it's not like I remember, Jade, that's good times.

893
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: Oh that's scary something nothing to camera.

894
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: Smith Nah, Smithy had nothing to do with it, absolutely nothing. Actually,

895
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: was that hard for you? I mean he played okay

896
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: that year. I mean he did miss a few weeks

897
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: without ac joint. But was that hard for you? Because

898
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: you played Smithy, was your captain, and then you go

899
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: into being his assistant coach and then running wrestle sessions

900
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: where you've got to be quite hard on the pad

901
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: push itself.

902
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: Did you notice that he wasn't in all of them?

903
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: You guys, I knew where a bread was, but.

904
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: He'd be doing goal kicking a.

905
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: Lot of the Come on cop, pick it up, Harry,

906
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: What are you doing, Cameron perfect?

907
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: Is that tough though?

908
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: Doing that? Like having to? I still remember my first

909
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 4: meeting at Storm and I was up and Bellier didn't

910
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: really give me any guidance on what to show. You

911
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: said you show likes his feedback is no feedback is

912
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 4: good feedback? So like and and if if I don't

913
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: like it. Then I'll he didn't say nothing after the meeting,

914
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: so it must have been okay. But I just remember

915
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 4: seeing Cameron would sit down to the left there, Cooper

916
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 4: be in the back corner, and Bill would kind of

917
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: be just in front of her and it was just

918
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 4: eyes on. Now, Coops was actually quite good, like he

919
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: was like, you know, try to support you. But the

920
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: other two they were just waiting for you to slip.

921
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, come what he got?

922
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then but no like it was but again

923
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 4: that was supportive away from it, but they put you

924
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 4: under the pump in the means. I was so nervous.

925
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 4: But it's a good grounding because you can't. You've got

926
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: to make sure you're on top of your work. Yeah,

927
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: because you know you've got three blokes in there that

928
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 4: know more than you do about it.

929
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: Give an example of that.

930
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 3: When Joey had retired twelve months and I was doing

931
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: coaching down Melm doing the attack anyway, Belly said, mate,

932
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: would you and Andrew gone through a bit of difficult

933
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: time and be like said, mate, next time you come down,

934
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: bring him down.

935
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: You don't have.

936
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: To get up and address the boys. Never taught mate,

937
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: I've never seen Joey's so fucking nervous. My life really

938
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: got up and he wrote this. He wrote a lot

939
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: of his notes and key points on his inside, like

940
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: the inside the forearm, so he looked down but made

941
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: he was sweating so much beforehand that all the ink

942
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: just was leaking and running running off the end of

943
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: his fingers.

944
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: What yeah, were you there? Were you there?

945
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: There would have been before.

946
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was before Roles.

947
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: He was there and everyone was like blown away. Everyone

948
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: was like, I can't believe, Like Joey was.

949
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: Nervous, hard talking in front of a group.

950
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is there. And one of Smithy's favorites.

951
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: You'd remember when whenever Belly a call one of us

952
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 4: didn't get a word right, He'd just like just be

953
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 4: like this. He turned end of the car and obviously

954
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: bell I had just done it for so long. He

955
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: just crack on and smith he had sort of do

956
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 4: that and then.

957
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: You know you one more time because there's a story

958
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: is my favorite, my favorite every moment in a video session,

959
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: I reckon. So Belly as got this story worry about

960
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: Brett White, which he loves to tell, loves to tell,

961
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: and it's essentially the messaging of it is. He's got

962
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: all these big stars.

963
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: In the room, Cameron Smith.

964
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: Cooper, Billy Slater, and they're trying to work out how

965
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: to win this game during this tough time where they've

966
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: lost a few on the trot and Brett White gets

967
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: up and he goes, guys, I don't know much about

968
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: rug Billy, but I know it's an easy game when

969
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: everyone does their job. Now, Billy has simple game when

970
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: everyone does their job. And he has told this relentlessly,

971
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: like every year, you get up and tell the same

972
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: story to everyone. And Smithy one day, Geeter, I think

973
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: it was cheese. Cameron goes cheez in this meeting today

974
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: just because we had a bit of a tough period

975
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: in preseas. I think we're getting kind of sledge for

976
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: dropping a heap of ball. And Brandon just Brandon gets

977
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: up randomly in the middle of the session and he goes, Billy,

978
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: can I just say something? And he goes, yeah, fucking

979
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: go Brittan, and he goes, guys. I don't know much

980
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: about rugby league, but I but I know it's a

981
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: simple game if everybody does their job.

982
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 4: Oh that is good.

983
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Rossie with your group to be congratulated.

984
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: Was in the high pressure atmosphere a professional sport, professional

985
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: rugby league. Jeez, I tear what you blokes? Your your

986
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: team looks like they're having a good time. That's a

987
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: thing that really like to watch them play.

988
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: They played the back end of the year with a

989
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: smile on their face.

990
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Like how hard?

991
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: What what sort of things you put in place? I

992
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: mean in the old.

993
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: Days you have the you know, the clown of the

994
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: week shirt and all that sort of stuff. What are

995
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: the things you bo do alleviate pressure?

996
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I've been asked out a bit and

997
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 4: said we looked happy and do we and like that?

998
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 4: That was training. I just try to keep everything as

999
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 4: consistent as possible, regardless of the result. You know. So

1000
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: just if we got beat on the weekend and I

1001
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 4: didn't change the next week's train and this is the

1002
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: review day, this is preview, this is you know, this

1003
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 4: is what looks the same all the time. That's probably

1004
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 4: one thing we did a lot of work on our

1005
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 4: We call it power proud, that's our culture, so you know,

1006
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 4: proud to wear the jersey, proud of the area, you know,

1007
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 4: and then we sort of built it up like that

1008
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 4: and then the power of person sits in the middle

1009
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 4: and part the three pillars of the power of person,

1010
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: you bring your culture, So where are you the talent's

1011
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 4: Portuguese side, so I want to know about it, Junior

1012
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 4: som we want to know about it, so we sort

1013
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: of encourage that, and then the self leadership and then

1014
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 4: the team first action. So the team first was got

1015
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: to add to it next year, but it's and then

1016
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 4: then we had family supporters, fans and members, and then

1017
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: we had past players learning environment, and then we had

1018
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: a continuous improvement so that was and then through that

1019
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 4: we just had like whilst it was a serious session,

1020
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 4: we had a bit of fun with it as well.

1021
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 4: And then I just think it transferred onto the field

1022
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: and then I'm not exactly sure why we look so happy,

1023
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 4: but for me, at the end of the day, like

1024
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 4: we get our work done, we do all the little

1025
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 4: things as well as we can drill down hard on

1026
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: the fundamentals, but we're playing footy, Go and enjoy yourself,

1027
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: So that's right. Yeah, yeah, but I think a lot

1028
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: of that came from the players, to be honest with you. Yeah.

1029
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: So my philosophy on coaching in general is just create

1030
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 4: an environment where we can where all our people can

1031
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 4: be the best they can be, not just the players,

1032
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 4: the coaches, the staff upstairs and that sort of thing.

1033
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: So hopefully they continue.

1034
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: So on the players and you know, you sit there,

1035
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: you're the coach of the side and you're looking out

1036
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: for them, but dealing with them individually and their own

1037
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: challenge and stuff like that. And it was a very

1038
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: very tough time at the beginning of the year for

1039
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 3: all parties. But Dylan Brown the way that he conducted

1040
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: himself at the back end of the year, where I

1041
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: would say most players would march out the door or

1042
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: at least be a destabilizing influence, yet he seemed he

1043
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: was like completely the opposite.

1044
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again back to your point before, Like I

1045
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 4: was really open and honest with him through the process

1046
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: and when he was doing stuff with the Knights and ourselves,

1047
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: and like we had a six year deal there for him,

1048
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: like that was you know, he'd already had signed, then

1049
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: he just had to take up the option and that

1050
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: sort of thing, and then the nights one come up

1051
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: and then you know, obviously we sort of worked our

1052
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 4: way through that and that was obviously difficult for everyone. Yeah, Yeah,

1053
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 4: and again like when he come in every day, Like

1054
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 4: there was probably a couple of times there where I

1055
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: could see like I sort of said to him, like

1056
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: his eyes would go a bit. But then after once

1057
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 4: it was all done and said like we just moved on.

1058
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: And then sort of came a point June thirty where

1059
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 4: I kind of made a decision where I was really

1060
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 4: open and honest with him and I was so I

1061
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: said it before, but just said, look, I don't know

1062
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 4: how like you've got the opportunity to go now or that.

1063
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 4: The flip side is I want to get moving with

1064
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 4: who the next five they could possibly be, And obviously

1065
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 4: Dean Hawkins had an opportunity and Joe ash had an

1066
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 4: opportunity as well. And they said, I don't play good. Yeah, yeah,

1067
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 4: they got better. Yeah, And I just said, I don't

1068
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 4: know if you're going to play every game or no games,

1069
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 4: or you might play a different edition. And he goes, bro, Sweet,

1070
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 4: you just tell me what you want me to do,

1071
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 4: and I do it for the team, And I was like, oh, wow, okay, sweet,

1072
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 4: I didn't expect that reaction. And yeah, and then he

1073
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 4: came in the next day and we cracked on and

1074
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 4: then I think I don't have Dina. Well Joash played

1075
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 4: there or Dina might have been in the Hearts at

1076
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: the time when Mitchell had his car. So and yeah,

1077
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 4: we cracked on and he played center there for a

1078
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 4: little bit and he did not flinch. He didn't say

1079
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 4: what am I doing this for? Why am I doing this?

1080
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 4: It was just no, you just tell me what you

1081
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 4: need me to do.

1082
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: His final game is through in the six jersey.

1083
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 4: That was that.

1084
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: Like a symbol or a thank you or was it

1085
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: just through necessity.

1086
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 4: I think Brownie sort of said something to me about

1087
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: a month out. He said, just have a think about this,

1088
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: and he said it might happen naturally anyway, but just

1089
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 4: have a think about it. And as it got closed,

1090
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: so Joe ash just got surgery on his skatefoard. So

1091
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 4: there's you know, we already knew that was coming up.

1092
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 4: We were going to try and get it the week

1093
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 4: of the last game, just to get on the front

1094
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 4: foot with it. But as it turned out, he couldn't

1095
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 4: get it till the Monday, so the day after the game.

1096
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 4: But I sort of I just got Joe Ash in

1097
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 4: and said, mate, this is what I'm going to do. Yep,

1098
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 4: this is why it's not a reflection on you. And

1099
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 4: then I got Dylan in and he thought I was

1100
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: joking at first, then yeah, and he said yeah, he

1101
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 4: was pumped, like he was genuinely pumped to play six

1102
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 4: just for one last time. So again open and honest

1103
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 4: with him, and they took it really well. Joe Ash

1104
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 4: is a really good kid in regards to I think

1105
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 4: if you go back to some of the tries that

1106
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 4: were scored through the year, when he's adding I think

1107
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: it was the most captain man for us this year.

1108
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 4: He'd done a heap of him, but he was cheering

1109
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 4: like the fans celebrate. It's yeah, like and I think

1110
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 4: within a into the question before why the boys enjoying it?

1111
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 4: Like obviously we did a lot of work on our

1112
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: culture and will continue to. But like kids like Joe

1113
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 4: Ash and Foxy and you know, like Josh, Josh's bounce

1114
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 4: standing for us. Like obviously the footy, you know, we

1115
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 4: know all getting with the footy, but I didn't realize

1116
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: how much his footo IQ wued accelerated. Yeah, and you know,

1117
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: Sean Russell's improves a lot this year, and fox He's

1118
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: got a lot to do with that. That's not same.

1119
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 4: That's obviously the coach, but fox he's done most of

1120
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: the work because he's standing next to him. He's coaching

1121
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: the energy that he brings.

1122
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: The difference when he came in on the show, like

1123
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: me even just a year ago, because he bounces in

1124
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: he can be quite frivolous and yeah, and he was

1125
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,959
Speaker 3: just really really switched.

1126
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 4: On, really clear on where he's at in his life

1127
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 4: and he wants to help people, but he also wants

1128
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: to do the best he can.

1129
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: So it gets a little bit like like you talk

1130
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: about going from assistant to a head coach. I think

1131
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: I see a lot of similarities in when you see

1132
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: those young players turn into the leaders, like Foxy was

1133
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: is the exactly perfect example when he come in are

1134
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: like we know what he was like at Melbourne. He

1135
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: was he was that, he was the vibe man. He

1136
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: had all the jokes. He would rarely be serious. But

1137
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: he has a really good balance now of the joking side,

1138
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: which obviously brings the locker room together, but that real steady,

1139
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: serious head on and pulling people up if they need

1140
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: to be pulled up.

1141
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so in meetings and like obviously he's in

1142
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: our back five and wise. He sort of looks after that,

1143
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: but he sort of said to him, let the other

1144
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 4: boys talk and help them, because he was he knows

1145
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 4: the answers to it, like I'll get him in sometimes

1146
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 4: and something's happened on the edge, and what do you think?

1147
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: What do you reckon? He brah like, and then you

1148
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 4: got up with the TV and tell me what's going on.

1149
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 4: I'm like that makes sense, you know. So and he

1150
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 4: encourages the boys to talk, like in his unit meetings,

1151
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 4: in his backfire. So he's like, if he wants to

1152
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 4: be like, he could be a real positional coach when

1153
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 4: he finishes footy.

1154
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: So that's good.

1155
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Were you what were you like as a player?

1156
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: Rose?

1157
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: Were you like very yeah, very vocal? Were you very

1158
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: vocal in video session?

1159
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 4: I wasn't very vocal? I was. I was pretty yeah,

1160
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: like so early on, like I came in and I

1161
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 4: was ball at a gate, you know, and then I

1162
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: hurt my shoulder in the last origin and three and

1163
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 4: obviously I lost me front delt and then hold out

1164
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 4: didn't work and that was kind of my that was

1165
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 4: my weaponar I'm bump. So was never the same player again,

1166
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 4: so I had to sort of work out different tools

1167
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 4: and different things. But I think I look back on

1168
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 4: it and it's kind of helps me with my coaching

1169
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 4: as well, because like I don't reckon, I've got the

1170
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: most out of myself, like and it wasn't because of

1171
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 4: the coaching or anything. It was because of myself. And

1172
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 4: I didn't really have anyone like you were saying before, mate,

1173
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: we're going to do twenty tackles before we finished today,

1174
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 4: or you know, like I kind of got by on.

1175
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: I knew I could catch as long as I was

1176
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 4: running hard under the ball. I knew I could bend

1177
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 4: the line most of the time, you know what I mean.

1178
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 4: But I just don't think I've got the most out

1179
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 4: of myself, which sort of drives me now to make

1180
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: sure that the players in our program don't have that experience.

1181
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: It's funny what watching you, you know, when sometimes you

1182
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: get a real sense of all the teams in the competition.

1183
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 3: And I remember with you Blake's Rosie, My sense of

1184
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: the Saint Georgia Laura sides you played in was that

1185
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 3: there was a lot of pressure. That's the sense I

1186
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: always got. I almost had a look at you Blakes

1187
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: and thought myself it doesn't look fun because you had

1188
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: a club that had very high expectations, a fan you know,

1189
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 3: a fan group that were going to come on, you know,

1190
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: when are we going to in this competition. He just

1191
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 3: didn't look like fun. I imagine times would have been,

1192
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: but it just looked.

1193
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: Like a lot of pressure.

1194
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a good time away from the field,

1195
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 4: but I think, like looking back on it, not thinking

1196
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 4: at the time, but looking back on it, Yeah, there

1197
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 4: was an enormous way of expectations, especially five and six

1198
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 4: and five. Yeah, like whilst the other teams did really

1199
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 4: well and Tides one and that sort of thing that

1200
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 4: that was an opportunity missed. I think, yeah, I was just.

1201
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: Super gazz more than anyone.

1202
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: I saw it with Mark as when he when he

1203
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: left to go to a start front. I remember that

1204
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: when he was just about to exit because he was

1205
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: looking at they were going to take him to Wigan.

1206
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: But I remember him really being really mate. It was

1207
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: it looked damaged. Yeah, you know, just all the attention

1208
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: and all the expectation that sat on his shoulders and

1209
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: and I suppose that, mate, and that puts you in

1210
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: good stead. Now the fact that you know, and I

1211
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: the Paramatta fans got right behind you. But you know

1212
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: they've been in the last fifteen years looking at the

1213
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: watchgowing comeboys.

1214
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: You know, when's it going to happen?

1215
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, well this year is probably. They're very encouraging that

1216
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: sort of thing and hopefully we can keep continuing that.

1217
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 4: But I'm sure there's going to be a stage where

1218
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 4: they're going to look down at the clock again and yeah,

1219
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 4: but again we're doing that.

1220
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: As well as yep.

1221
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 4: Well there's a period now where we want to keep

1222
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: getting better and that sort of thing, like I think

1223
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 4: Mitchell said it in one of his presses, like he

1224
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 4: wants to win and that's kind of the feeling within

1225
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 4: the club. But we know that there's going to be

1226
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 4: a process to that.

1227
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: When you look back and you're playing career, what club

1228
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: do you like? Who do you see yourself as? Is

1229
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: your main club? Like as your old boy? Who do

1230
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: you resonate? Mostly because you played mostly with Dragons, you

1231
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: went over to Catalan as well Roosters and you finished

1232
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: at Melbourne. When you look back, now, what club is

1233
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: your heart at as a player?

1234
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say my heart anyone more than the other.

1235
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 4: Like I came into grade in the end of ninety

1236
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: seven Dragons till the end of our weight. So that's

1237
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 4: a big almost a quarter of my life, you know.

1238
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 4: So you know, there's obviously and it's the local club

1239
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 4: in the area, like you know with the Knights and

1240
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. But it's yeah, I just had

1241
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 4: different experiences at each one of them. You know. I

1242
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 4: think I was when I was when I look back,

1243
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 4: and I didn't know it at the time. When I

1244
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 4: look back on it, I was probably a little bit

1245
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 4: lost at the Dragons, like just trying to find my

1246
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 4: identity and where do I fit a work? And then

1247
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 4: I went to Catalan and then realize that there's a

1248
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: big world out there and no one really cares about

1249
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 4: the NRL, so there's probably that pressure thing where then

1250
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 4: I came ended up coming back to where the enjoyment

1251
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 4: of the foota was great over there because you plan

1252
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: on the weekend, no one speaks English, and you know

1253
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: what I mean.

1254
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: I just clearly jump in, why why did you go

1255
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: from the Dragons go over Super League? And then returned

1256
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: back to the NRAL.

1257
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 4: Well, I had a couple of years ago. I might

1258
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 4: have been at three or two years ago, and then

1259
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 4: Wayne came in and then he sort of moved me on.

1260
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 4: And I've actually met Wayne fairly recent and I thanked

1261
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: him for moving me because it was one of the

1262
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 4: best things that's ever happened to me in regards to

1263
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 4: where I'm at now. I would never be where I'm

1264
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 4: at now if Wayne didn't move me, So like that's

1265
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: it sort of ties in with my belief of everything

1266
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 4: happens for a reason. And even at the time, you're like.

1267
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: Yes, you know yourself getting rid of it, Yeah, show him.

1268
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 4: But at the time I didn't kick stones. And I remember,

1269
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 4: I think it was probably halfway through the Iran Craig

1270
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 4: Gang and I and I said to him, I said,

1271
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 4: he's going to move me, isn't he? And he goes, well, yeah,

1272
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 4: do you want me to come over and have a chat?

1273
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 4: I remember sitting on the couch and I said no,

1274
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 4: but it's fine, made like I get it, like yeah,

1275
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 4: room with web on a kangaroo tour, and he sort

1276
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 4: of mentioned along the lines he doesn't like playing his

1277
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 4: front rowers like a certain amount of money, and I

1278
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 4: knew I was above that certain amount of money at

1279
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 4: the time, but again, yeah, I just sort of cracked

1280
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 4: on with it. And I got the Player of the

1281
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 4: Year that year because I remember halfway through the I'm

1282
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 4: going to go. If you move me, I'm going to

1283
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 4: like I'm going, I'm going for it. And I made

1284
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 4: sure I was playing the best foot I possibly could

1285
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 4: because I didn't want to be kicking stones there and

1286
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 4: because I was getting moved, I'm like, I'm still wearing

1287
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 4: this jersey. They've given me the opportunity, so I'm going

1288
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 4: to do my best to finish the year as best

1289
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 4: I can. And I ended up getting the Player of

1290
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 4: the Year, which I thought was like a bit of

1291
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 4: a just a bit of a team first sort of mentality,

1292
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 4: like I still want to play well.

1293
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: That a little bit.

1294
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, by knowing to get moved on, you sort of

1295
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: get there and go well. Being moved on almost the

1296
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: pressure alleviates it. Just it just goes to show it

1297
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 3: with football, is that when you can remove the pressure

1298
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 3: which a lot of times most last year you applied

1299
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: to put on yourself.

1300
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: How much how much easier it is?

1301
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1302
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: How much better for performance?

1303
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: What do you what do you find when you when

1304
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: you come back?

1305
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 4: Then I ended up at the Roosters in Melbourne. Why

1306
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 4: did I come back? I too used to go and

1307
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 4: meet Catalan's one and then just an opportunit only came

1308
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 4: up back at the Roosters, and I just remember when

1309
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 4: went there when I was younger, and I'm like, what

1310
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 4: was intrigued by what the Roosters club? Yeah? Yeah, but

1311
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 4: then you get in the four walls and it's so

1312
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 4: supportive and really good people in there, and player eleven

1313
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 4: hundred the Roosters, you know something. I just remember those they've.

1314
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: Had eleven hundred players ten years ago, a long time.

1315
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 3: That's pushing one hundred and twenty years. Yeah, because you.

1316
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 4: Then I got moved from there too, and then that's yeah.

1317
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: Did you leave any club on your own acord roll?

1318
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,479
Speaker 4: And you have that in common Melbourne. I got in first, Frank.

1319
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: We have a chat.

1320
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 4: Frank.

1321
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm just let you know.

1322
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: And retiring because they used you spoke about that before,

1323
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: that mentality of you know, why me when you're at

1324
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: the Dragons, because you are you're used as a as

1325
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: an example at Melbourne. Obviously you you're in that side

1326
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: that it was a two thousand and twelve, so twenty twelve,

1327
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: you're you played the whole year and then you do

1328
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: your hamstring in the Final. Leading into the Grand Final.

1329
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 4: I did it round so second last game of the year.

1330
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 4: Craig had already told me, he said, you have the

1331
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 4: last week off and then we'll get you ready for finals.

1332
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 4: So in that second last game, I just felt something

1333
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 4: in myham. It was against Sharks and anyway, so the

1334
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 4: week off and then it ended up being a strain

1335
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 4: and then I've got it ready and I was going

1336
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 4: to play again on the prelimb, and then the week

1337
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 4: of that before the last session before we're about to

1338
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: fly to Sydney. Yeah, I still remember the feeling. I

1339
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 4: still remember it. Yeah, but again, why do things happen?

1340
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 4: Like Richie Fayoso was there, his legs be was better

1341
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 4: than mine. It was more powerfully at a point of difference.

1342
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of like thinking, is that sort of

1343
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 4: fake going? Like when I look at it as a

1344
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 4: coach now, I think, and he's a thirty four year

1345
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 4: old roll I'm Richie there, who's powerful like any and

1346
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 4: he played well in the Grand Final on the prelim

1347
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 4: so we still won.

1348
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you are you're used as a There's

1349
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: certain stories that get recycled back through in finals. Talk

1350
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: about for the for like the players that aren't playing

1351
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: in the squad or aren't picked about how your mentality

1352
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: can impact a group, because Bella always talks about. You know,

1353
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: that was pretty heartbreaking for You're in the back end

1354
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: of his career, trying to win a premiership and then

1355
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: you do your hamstring. It was very easy that you

1356
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: could have kicked stones and sort of not really cared

1357
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: about the Grand Final post them. But apparently your attitude

1358
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: coming back in post that hamstring to really help the

1359
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: team prepare.

1360
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just didn't change, just like I didn't just

1361
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 4: didn't change the way I acted or anything like that.

1362
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 3: You didn't get Yeah, that's goods minimum. Just finally, because

1363
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: we know too much time, what is it like as

1364
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 3: like camaraderie mons coaches or more to the point, when

1365
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 3: you're coaching against Craig, Like what's the relationship like on

1366
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: game day or after the game?

1367
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't have an issue with it, and

1368
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 4: I'm sure.

1369
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't like Craig and always have a beer after.

1370
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this year we didn't really get a chance

1371
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 4: to do that. But yeah, like especially after round one,

1372
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 4: six six after, don't worry that I'm still trying to

1373
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 4: do that. We want to say we won the second half.

1374
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 3: Like when you when you're sitting there and you're watching

1375
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 3: that and thing like, I mean, you must be sort

1376
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 3: of looking like.

1377
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,919
Speaker 4: I said to Brownie in the middle of it, because

1378
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 4: he's obviously been around the block a few times, and

1379
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: I said, do it, and mate, there's nothing you can do.

1380
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 4: He said, you just need to get down there, reset

1381
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 4: them at half time. We'll go again.

1382
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 3: Where we go that Melbourne said the start of the year,

1383
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 3: when you're playing day games.

1384
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they haven't, they haven't lost around one. Yeah,

1385
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: since Craig's been there. Yeah, so that's a that's a

1386
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: bloody heart. Imagine. What do you remember when the drawer

1387
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: came out and you saw you had Melbourne round one?

1388
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 4: It was I thought it would be a good challenge

1389
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 4: for us, like just you know, something to get up

1390
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 4: for that first game. And then Mitch went down, and

1391
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 4: then we had guys leave through the preseason and we

1392
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 4: had a few more injuries and that sort of thing.

1393
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 4: So we sort of sent a young crew down there,

1394
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 4: which you know, I'm sure they won't forget it either,

1395
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 4: and they obviously learned from it, so there's always some

1396
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 4: good stuff to take out of it, but I think

1397
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 4: it really highlighted where we were as a club.

1398
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: Did you need to play them again?

1399
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got beat sixteen ten and I reckon what

1400
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 4: proved We had some opportunities to win, we just couldn't

1401
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 4: quite quite name.

1402
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 3: And what a lift for those young players to say, look,

1403
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: you know, look what you're exposed to at the start

1404
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 3: of the year, and look what we ended up getting to.

1405
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 3: You know, I can they imagine all those young blakes

1406
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 3: they watched Monster and all those guys onto you and wow,

1407
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 3: suddenly you know, and I've been there when you're playing

1408
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: Bradley Clyde and Melmaningra and that Ricky and you're going,

1409
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 3: fucking hell, this is as bad as I as tough

1410
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: as I.

1411
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 4: Thought it was going to be. But yeah, we had

1412
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 4: Riley on send me to a BARTI on debut is

1413
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 4: his second first grade game, Charlie go I think third

1414
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 4: first grader, So we had like a lot of an

1415
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 4: experience there.

1416
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 3: And yeah, Rosie, look with too much, we're taking them

1417
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 3: too much your time to start. We've made consider him

1418
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 3: that it took your week to get his mate. But

1419
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 3: I just want to say make congratulate, congratulations on your

1420
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 3: first year, you.

1421
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: Know, to go through what you did early on. But

1422
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: just again you know.

1423
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 3: That the players were really really happy. Whatever you're doing

1424
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 3: in there is working really well. And mate, look, I

1425
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 3: know they're watching the clocks, watching the haven at looked

1426
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 3: at the watch. But mate, I I'm certain in your

1427
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 3: tenure they're at paramount. You're going to win it. You're

1428
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 3: going to win. One will be rooting for you, mate,

1429
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 3: sitting on the couch, blind runt, but I'll be rooting

1430
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 3: for you.

1431
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 4: One second. One thing. We actually have something here for

1432
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 4: Rosie Cooper. Cooper requested this, So we have a we

1433
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 4: have a Cooper.

1434
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 6: John's poster from his time at his time at the

1435
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 6: Sanley Seagulls, and it's signed by three of the most

1436
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 6: closest people to him. One's Nathan Cleary, one's Mark Chorus

1437
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 6: and one's Klein Pong That so we had only fitting

1438
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 6: three people that cheap loads. We love we love you

1439
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 6: to sign it if that's possible. You don't get it.

1440
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: This is a gift I've got the I've got at home. Yeah,

1441
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean that's just we're just you can

1442
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 1: sign it anywhere you want to feel.

1443
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,879
Speaker 2: To put a message of encouragement.

1444
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, from my my favorite one of my favorite coaches.

1445
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 6: Little background on that, he actually Cuba thought like when

1446
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 6: we started the potty February and twenty twenty four, thought

1447
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 6: would be a really good idea. It'd be funny to

1448
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 6: get all our guests to do it. Straight after Mark Brewers,

1449
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 6: you like forgot about.

1450
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: It and then just keep Yeah, I completely you know

1451
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: when you think of a great idea rosy and then

1452
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: like you're slowly just it manifests into something else. You know.

1453
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: Another story that's just sparked my mind before we leave.

1454
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 4: Sorry, I just come up again.

1455
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: It involves our Billy Walters. So you remember we'd always

1456
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: go to the same pub Dad for Mad Monday, and

1457
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: it was like five hundred meters up the road from

1458
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: where Harry and I lived, so it was always so

1459
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: makes we could just walk down and then walk home.

1460
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: But this one pub, and it was a dingy pub was' iti.

1461
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: It was bad, like it was a great pub, but

1462
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: it was like very deep, like it was perfect for

1463
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: what we wanted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the bar, the

1464
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: bar had this like circular oval end, remember that. And

1465
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: then somebody I don't know who started it, someone came

1466
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: up with this drinking game where yeah, we had a

1467
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: pool ball which ended up like heat the pool balls,

1468
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: and then if you put your beer on the bar

1469
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: on the end, you had to roll the pool ball,

1470
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: and if the pool ball hit your schooner, the boys

1471
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: had to scull it like it so everyone was on edge.

1472
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: Rossie was the king of.

1473
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 4: It by the end.

1474
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: Rosie was just parked in there and he just you

1475
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: had like I reckon. At one stage you weren't even

1476
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: you'd stop drinking. You just had thirty pool balls on

1477
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: you and you just throwing it. And I remember Harry

1478
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: got like Harry was like, I'm getting Rosie. I'm getting

1479
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: Rosie because Rossie's been getting like whenever it was like

1480
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: he was watching Harry. Whenever Harry put his scooned it down,

1481
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: he'd already launched a ball, and Rossie was like very

1482
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: like he was aware. You'd bade everyone. You'd put your

1483
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: you'll beer down and then look around, so like foxing

1484
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: everyone and start throwing balls around. You just lifted up

1485
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: and Billy Walters was on your right and Harry launched

1486
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 1: a ball that hard, like he was really wanted to

1487
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: get you. And you've lifted your schooner and Billy's just

1488
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: sitting there, not even taking notice of the world around him,

1489
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: and it hit his class that hard. It just completely exploded.

1490
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,560
Speaker 1: It went, his schooner, went all over him. He was

1491
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: that often he didn't even realize anyone was playing the

1492
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: game around. Good times and great class. Thanks Roles Foles.