WEBVTT - Sharri | 14 January 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.199 Why on Sky News. 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:05.439 This is Shari. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.280 Good Evening. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.840 Major news tonight, Qatar is about to hold a press 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.360 conference on the hostage deal. Will bring you breaking news 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.200 as it happens, and I'll take you through where the 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.440 deal's out in a moment. Plus we'll have live coverage 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.200 throughout the night from Israel and with Gemma Toognini here 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.920 in studio. Also tonight, a father of three who lost 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.199 his home in the Los Angeles fire will join me live. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:37.879 His message of hope is inspiring and Albanizi's government has 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.920 been dubbed one of the worst Australia has ever had. 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.080 I'll discuss this with Bronwin Bishop and Holly Hughes shortly, 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.760 but first tonight to the major breaking news. Israel is 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.760 on the brink of a deal with Humas to see 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:58.280 the return of thirty three hostages in exchange for six 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:03.000 weeks ceasefire and the lease of a reported one thousand 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:08.360 Palestinian criminals. Joe Biden and Donald Trump have confirmed that 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.199 a deal is very close, perhaps even hours away. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.479 We are very close to getting it done, and they 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.800 have to get it done. If they don't get it done, 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.280 there's going to be a lot of trouble out there, 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.800 a lot of trouble like they have never seen before. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.080 And they will get it done. And I understand it's 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.920 it's been has been a handshake and they're getting it 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.760 finished and maybe by the end of the week. But 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.200 it has to take place. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:40.600 In the brink proposal laid out in detailed months ago, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.679 finally coming to fruition. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.480 And just before coming on air tonight, I learned that 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:52.280 Katar is expected to tonight our Time, within hours hold 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.120 a press conference to give an update on the hostage deal. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.880 We don't know whether they will be confirming that harm 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.760 has come to the table. But the moment we see 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.280 our beautiful hostages back on Israeli soil free, well, it's 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.639 going to be a feeling unlike any other joy elation. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.840 The celebrations will be unimaginable. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.480 There won't be a dry eye. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.480 But as we sit here, let's not pretend this is 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.920 the deal we all want it. The reality is, in 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.120 order to bring innocent children and mothers and girls home, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.880 Israel has had to do a deal with the devil, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:35.960 a deal with the devil. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:37.880 Is it the perfect deal? 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:38.320 No? 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.720 Is it even a good deal? No, No one. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.360 Can walk away from this and say what a great deal. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.639 It's just simply not what we want. What would be 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.880 a good deal is the return of our hostages, all 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:57.120 of them, without having to release a single Palestinian terrorist 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.400 from jail. That is what's right, that is what's ethical. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.760 There's no equivalence between the Palestinian criminals held in Israeli 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.640 prisons and the innocent Israelis kidnapped from their beds in 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:17.320 their pajamas by bloodthirsty savages on October seven. There is 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:23.000 no equivalents. The Israelis are certainly not prisoners of war. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:24.800 They should never have been. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:29.519 Kidnapped and taken hostage in the first place. They're blameless 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:35.440 victims of a terror organization that is somehow absurdly captured 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:40.840 support in the Western world. There must be total clarity 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.800 on this point. A nine month old baby is not 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.680 a prisoner of war. A four year old boy is 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:54.560 not a prisoner of war. A mother of two beautiful 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.800 children is not a prisoner of war. 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:59.240 None of the hostages are. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.600 Anyone who claims otherwise is wrong, anti Semitic, and as 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.600 hateful as those barbarians who stole them from their homes, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.760 beds and loved once so In the first stage of 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.960 this deal, women and children. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.040 The elderly and the sick will be released. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:23.560 They're being called humanitarian hostages. You have to shake your 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.279 head and wonder, how is it that women and children 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.960 are still being held in Gaza tunnels at all? 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:31.880 Where's the Red Cross? 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.400 Where have the aid organizations been, the human rights organizations? 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.719 This should make all of us furious, and I'm sure 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:40.120 it does. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:43.479 Yet it seems this is the deal. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.920 We have waited fifteen months for the release of thirty 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.440 three Israeli hostages, and we don't even know how many 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.080 will be returned alive. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.760 That's two thirds of the hostages. 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:01.560 Around sixty six people will remain in gars in captivity. Again, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:06.280 we don't know how many are alive for certain. Now, 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.359 in exchange for just thirty three hostages, there'll be a 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.640 six week ceasefire where Israel stops fighting with draws troops 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:19.279 from most areas of the Gaza Strip, and large numbers 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.600 of Palestinian criminals will be released from Israeli prisons, and 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.680 some media outlets have reported that this figure will be 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:27.960 one thousand. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.520 We don't know that for certain. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.800 The remaining hostages might be freed in a second stage 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.840 of the deal. It's been reported that Israel will hold 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:42.160 onto assets such as high profile Palestinian terrorists and also 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.360 some territory in the Gaza strip to then use it 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.800 as leverage during these second stage negotiations. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.640 Now, on the one hand, let's look at why this 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.159 is not a good deal. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.560 On the one hat, well, how can this deal. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.400 Be agreed to when it's only thirty three hostages and 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.599 not all one hundred, or at least not all of 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.920 who are alive. How can it be that Israel has 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.960 been making in roads into Gaza for fifteen months, it 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.440 has her Musk on its knees, with its leaders dead, 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.080 and yet we still have to agree to release such 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.960 a massive number of Palestinian criminals. I mean, is this 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:30.080 what victory looks like? Releasing so many terrorists? The deal 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.480 could also allow her Musk to rebuild, They can return 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.320 to northern Gaza, they can stay in power for longer, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:41.040 and they'll have potentially around one thousand terrorists to boost 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.400 their ranks. And of course we all know what happened 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.200 with the case of Gillard. Shalit Harmas held him hostage 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.720 for five years until finally he was released in twenty 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:59.640 eleven in exchange for one twenty seven Palestinian criminals in 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:06.680 Israe prisons twenty seven Palestinians for one Israeli. That tells 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.320 you how much we in the Western world and in 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.520 Israel value life. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:13.960 But one of those. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:17.720 Terrorists released was Yaya Sinhwa, who then went on to 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:25.480 mastermind October seven, murdering thousands more Jews. So was the 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:30.320 Gillard Shalit deal a good one in hindsight? And would 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.440 October seven have happened anyway even without ya Ya Sinwa's release? 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.440 Or we just can't answer those questions. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.800 But you look back at World War two and you think, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.640 would you agree to a cease fire with the Nazis 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.400 in order to release those held in concentration camps. 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.840 Again, we can't answer these questions. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.040 But we know that the Nazis had to be destroyed, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:59.040 and so does Hamas one prolific Israeli advocate known as 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.440 Cheryl on so that this deal encourages hostage taking and 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:09.000 emboldens her muss she told me, and I'm quoting this 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.880 is Cheryl telling me this. We sacrificed hundreds of soldiers' 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.040 lives for nothing. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:15.960 This emboldens her musk. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.480 Our enemies now know our weakness and that of the 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:20.280 rest of the world. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.440 There were no to target other. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:27.680 Countries by taking hundreds of hostages. And there is some 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.040 of this reaction coming out of Israel. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.559 But now let's look at the other side of the coin. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:35.199 On the other. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.360 Hand, what wouldn't you do to bring your baby home, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:45.120 your child home, your parent. There are no measures on 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.839 this earth you wouldn't take if your loved one was 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.599 kidnapped by terrorists. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.200 There was nothing, There's nothing you wouldn't do to hold 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:55.800 them again and keep them safe. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:02.280 It's against the very principles of Judaism and just humanity. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.359 You would never abandon anyone to terrorists. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.720 So of course we must do whatever it takes to 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.400 bring home our people. No one deserves the life of 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:19.000 a hostage, and Israel and her allies, like America, like Australia, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:25.640 must do everything possible to return these innocent families, bring 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.960 them to safety, and take them out of the grips 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:34.160 of terrorists. Aviva Siegel, she was a hostage. She spoke 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.760 to me about how hard it was to stay alive 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.439 when she was in the Gaza tunnels. She was kidnapped 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:47.040 from her bed and Palestinians celebrated. They were rejoicing when 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:51.200 she was dragged into Gaza. She was freed, but her 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.760 husband Keith is still a hostage. We don't know if 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.080 he's alive, but I know that Aviva will be praying 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.160 and hoping with all of her heart that she'll be 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:03.520 reunited with him soon. 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.400 The conditions were the worst conditions that you can think about. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.640 I just thought that I'm going to die, that kid's 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.040 going to die. What will happen if Kith will be 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.600 in the bathroom and I'll die, Or what will happen 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.480 if the ceiling falls on us and if they shoot us, 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.280 or if they're going to starve us again. I want 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.360 everybody to listen to my words. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.400 They aren't just words. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.960 It's what I went through and what the hostyges are 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.600 going through. They cannot allow themselves to open the door 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.800 in this stomach and then close it. We're gonna stop talking. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.400 And that was when I spoke to Aviva when I 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:45.400 was in Israel on October seven. Now Elina Gritzuski, she's 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.400 another former hostage. She was thirty thirty years old when 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.000 she was kidnapped. She was released, but her boyfriend is 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.679 still in Gaza again. Her life can't move on until 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.480 he's home. I spoke to her about this when I 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:06.440 was in Israel. You've got beautiful photographs of Matan all 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.880 around your apartment, but how does it feel knowing he 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.560 is still in the tunnels after one year? 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:18.920 It's difficult with the empty bed and wake up and 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:26.719 it's the same nightmare. It's continual, but I wake up 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.040 strong because if the hostage can survive. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.640 A you're there and fighting for her. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.560 Life as they need to come to, wake up all 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.240 morning to still fighting for dinner so they come home, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:40.560 so they can come home. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.440 And it's not just the families of each of the 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.040 hostages who can't move on until they're home. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:48.760 It's all of Israel. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.760 And neither would Australia be able to function properly or 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.600 any other nation on Earth. So this deal is now 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:01.679 expected to be announced this week, potential within hours. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.120 So this is where we are right now. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.520 There will be relief, happiness at the return of women 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.000 and children hostages, but as I said, this isn't a 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.000 deal to unequivocally celebrate. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:15.960 It is a deal with the. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.760 Devil, and I wonder couldn't there have been a better deal, 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.600 couldn't Joe Biden. Now, Donald Trump and Qatar and Israel 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.440 have worked out a better deal. Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminette 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:35.080 and Yaho has been under incredible pressure weekly protests to 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:39.160 come to an agreement with Hamas. And perhaps we won't 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.840 know the ramifications of this deal for many years to come, 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.640 even decades, but we must not lose sight of what's 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:55.440 ultimately important, that Israel prevails and that families are reunited. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.520 I've got more on that to come later in the show. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.920 As I said, we'll bring you the breaking news if 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.000 and when Katar holds the press conference. But right now, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:09.920 let's get into some of the other big stories of 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.320 the day with former Speaker of the House Bronwyn Bishop 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:17.160 and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Welcome to you both. Look, 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:21.880 let's start with this column today by Greg Sheridan. Albanzey's 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:26.280 government has been dubbed one of the worst in Australian history. Well, 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.960 that's what Greg Sheridan writes, and I certainly agree. He 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.960 writes that the albaneze government has emerged as an unmitigated failure, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.400 if not an outright disaster in foreign affairs, defense and 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.960 national security. He says, it's one of the worst governments 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:48.520 we've hadwin this is actually a dangerous proposition because it 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.480 jebdizes our national security. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:51.800 Yes it does. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.160 And I'm old enough to remember with the meres and 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.760 just how bad they were, full of scandal and wronged 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.960 as decisions and people just rallied and said this government's 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.600 got to go, and it did. And I get a 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.320 feeling there's a similar feeling. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:08.839 Going on now. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.320 I mean when you look at the Prime Minister and 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:18.320 he's a government they not only look weak, but they're grmleous. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.600 There's no sensibility, there's nothing that makes sense about the 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:29.080 way in which they act, not even over the inauguration 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.360 of President Trump. We're not even sending the Deputy Prime Minister. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:38.360 We're sending Penny Wong, who's done nothing but insult Donald 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.520 Trump and what he's trying to achieve. We've got a 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.880 defense force which is under strength, where they promise money 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.560 which won't won't be seen for years to come. So 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:54.360 everything they've touched has turned rotten, to be honest, and 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.080 we need to have back in this country the strength 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.120 that petered up and starting to offer and the people 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.640 around you who've got experience and know how and actually 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.000 love the country. And if you don't love your country 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.680 and your culture, what are you going to defend? So 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.720 it is important that we see a change in this 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:20.520 government because if Albanesi has returned with those ghastly greens 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.800 and the tills and there's no blue in Teal, it's 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.040 all green, we will see the country plummet further and further. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:29.880 So this is a desperate time. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:31.680 What do you think, Holly. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.920 We have seen a lot of chaotic prime ministerships over 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.000 the years, but do you think that the Albanese government 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.160 is one of the worst in Australia's history. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.840 Well, I'm not old enough to have been alive, or 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.160 I think I was born the year Whitlam came to power, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:49.840 so I don't remember the Whitlam years. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:50.880 But certainly it would. 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:55.080 Appear that this government is trying out to be the 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.600 worst government ever. They seem to be doing everything that 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.920 they can to out bet our best Whitlam and all 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.720 the catastrophic decisions he made. That the country I think 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.440 is still reeling from the things that Whitlam did when 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.200 he was in Brommen's right, it's absolutely critical that this 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.160 government is shown the door, and that there are people 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.960 who love this country, who want to see this country strong, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.720 who understand who our allies are, who don't want to 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.760 go on a bended knee to China at every opportunity 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.320 whilst insulting our allies such as the US and Israel. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.120 And this is what this government has sought to do 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.920 time and time again. And we're facing a shortage in 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.400 the defense forces. And how can you go and ask 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.360 people to go and fight for the country when you're 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:48.000 allowing all of these undermining tactics to occur. Whether it's 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.560 Australia Day, whether it's ANZAC Day, whether it's pride in 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.800 our history and who we are as Australians. Young people, 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.080 why would they go into the defense force when they're 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.480 not seeing that national pride from the Prime Minister and 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.600 the leadership team. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.879 And Alban Easy must know he is on the ropes. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.679 He's losing support with Australians. The polls show him that. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.520 He must get the sense. When he's walking around on 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.520 the streets, you can't imagine people are going up to 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.960 him praising him. I mean, there's nothing to praise. What 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.080 will his legacy be? He doesn't have one. So to 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.760 respond to this he is now it seems he's doing 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.480 a repeat of the tactics he used against Scott Morrison. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.760 Here's what he said about Peter Dutton yesterday. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:33.719 We need leadership with a heart. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.600 Peter Dutton represents a cold hearted, mean spirit. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.760 It's sometimes just plain nasty response and that's not going 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:42.560 to help people. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:45.879 And Dutton hit back today. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.199 Frankly, I think the promise is pretty unhinged in some 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:50.840 of his comments at the moment. The fact is he 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.720 can't tell you what this three year term has been about. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.640 I mean, what is the government achieved over the course 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.760 of the last three years. If they'd achieved anything that 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.480 he wouldn't have to resort daily to the personal attacks 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:01.639 on me and my colleagues. 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.000 Brown, do you think that Albinizi is resorting to the 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.320 same technique of playing the man instead of the ball 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.040 like he did with Scott Morrison. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.680 He's trying because he's got nothing else. I mean, everything 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.600 he's touched has failed, right from the time of the 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.240 Voice when I have no doubt that what he thought 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.440 he'd do is he'd push the boys through soft and easy. 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.119 Then in the next year he'd pushed through the Republic 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.600 and he would be the hero of all time. In fact, 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:37.200 he's just been what he's always been. Nobody from nowhere. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.400 As I've said before, how many twenty years I sat 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.320 with him in that chamber and nobody ever said he 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.880 was leadership material. And when he resorts to say Peter 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.840 Dutton's nasty, I mean, how pathetic is that? 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:51.080 Seriously? 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.199 There is nothing that he can attack in terms of 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.879 policy initiatives coming from Peter Dutton and others in the opposition, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:04.960 and he's gotten nothing in his own peck to say, 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.360 look what I've done except to give the most disastrous 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:12.320 industrial relations laws to the unions, which is causing small 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.879 businesses in the private sector to be squeezed out and 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.920 going belly up. And if that's his legacy, let's get 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:19.680 rid of him quick. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.159 Yeah, he's managed to upset virtually every single sector. Holly, 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.919 do you expect we're going to see much more of 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.399 these negative attacks on Peter Dutton as we get closer 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.120 to the campaign, which could be calld any day, although 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:34.199 probably won't be. 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:35.840 Yeah. 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:37.600 Look, I think it's going to be a very long 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.760 couple of months for Australians. It's really sad that whilst 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.679 most Australians, and I was talking about this today with someone, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.199 you know, his families getting ready to go back to school. 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:48.160 They're having a look at. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.920 The kids' school shoes and their trainers and their uniforms 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.440 and what books they've got to get and everything they've 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.840 got to get ready for the new school year, and 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.560 they know that they're going to struggle to pay for 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.199 all of those things, keep the groceries on the table, 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.439 keep the lights on, and keep a roof over their families' heads. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.960 Families are doing it incredibly tough, and I think it's 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:13.399 absolutely insulting that this Prime Minister, who has made every decision, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.000 the outcome of every decision, has made it harder for 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:21.920 Australian families to just get by every single day, and 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.440 that all he's got is negative personal smears and attacks. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.800 It absolutely devastrates the total lack of substance that he 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.760 and his government have shown, and I think it's a 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.280 slap in the face to everyday Australians as they are 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.480 just trying to do their best. And as Bromwin said, 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.080 industrial relations, but if you look at what they've done 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.280 in the energy sector and all the green tape they've 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.960 wrapped around the resources sector. Every single decision they've made 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.120 has made every situation worse and they're continuing to do. 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.640 That and Bronwin. 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:56.080 Just to end on this, I think the point is 0:20:56.119 --> 0:21:00.040 that for informed viewers who read the news, they'll be 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.919 frustrated at the Albaneze government in a lot of ways. 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:07.280 But for average families who might be too busy or 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.600 they just don't consume the news like we or do 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:12.640 and all of our viewers do, they will be angry 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.160 at the Albaneze government over the cost of living. That 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:20.080 is just the biggest issue facing most families in the country. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.240 Look, they know they were promised two hundred and seventy 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:27.760 five dollars decrease in electricity bills. In fact it's gone 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.840 up anywhere between six hundred and one thousand dollars. They 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:32.399 know they were promised that there were going to be 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.720 policies that would make it easier. We've seen twelve interest 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.520 rate rises. They know this government is bad. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.800 Yeah, they feel the pinch in their own household budgets. 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.640 All right, Browen, Bishop Polly Hughes, thank you so much, 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.159 lovely to see both of you as always. All right, 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.399 let's now cross to Los Angeles. Rabbi Daniel Show is 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:58.119 one of around ten thousand families whose homes were destroyed 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.480 in the fires. He has three children and lived in 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.919 the Pacific Palisades, but his house is now burnt to 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.480 the ground. Rabbi Daniel Show joins us now live from 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:13.320 Los Angeles, where the local time is around one twenty am. Rabbi, 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.040 thank you so much for staying awake for us, and 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.120 I just have to say we are all so sorry 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.440 for what you are going through, your family and all 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.320 of LA. Can you tell us about the moment that 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:29.879 the fire ripped through your suburban when you learned that 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.000 your home had been lost. 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:35.640 Yeah, well, first of all, thank you for having me on. 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:39.760 Sorry it's so late, and you can see we haven't 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.080 really been sleeping much, which is understandable in these moments. 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:45.480 You know, there's a few different pieces when you see 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:49.840 when's that moment that we knew there was a bit 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:55.000 of collapse here Because we were all evacuated, we were 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.040 trying to keep and refresh the pages and watch as 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:01.240 the fires were growing on the cowfire map, and because 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:05.720 of the high winds, they'd grounded the planes, which also 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:10.160 meant grounding the tracking software. So from about nine pm 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:15.520 until the morning, we didn't have any updates, and it 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.959 was all speculation, and it was people and community members 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.000 texting each other are not sure what was going on, 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:24.400 trying to presume based on where the fire was at 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.320 before that. But this fire was chaotic. This fire was 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.439 about the winds throwing it in all different directions, and 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.000 so truly we could pretend we were trying to understand, 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:39.720 but we were using the coping mechanism of either negative 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:44.959