WEBVTT - Sharri | 8 May

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening. Well in breaking news. Just moments ago, black

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<v Speaker 2>smoke came out of the Sistine Chapel. You can see

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<v Speaker 2>live vision on your screen now. Now black smoke means

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<v Speaker 2>the cardinals in conclave have not elected a pope. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the third vote in two days where a pope

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<v Speaker 2>has not been elected. We'll take you live to the

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<v Speaker 2>Vatican with our reporter Stouts Butler for the breaking news

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<v Speaker 2>and what this means. Shortly. Also coming up in the show,

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<v Speaker 2>Jacinta Nampa jimper Price has defected to the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you why she should be Australia's next Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister. Plus we'll get reaction to her move from

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<v Speaker 2>National Senator Matt Canavan in a moment, and former Labor

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<v Speaker 2>senator and hero Nova Paris would join me live to

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the end of Adam Band's political career. Today he

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<v Speaker 2>finally conceded and now he exits stage. Left Nova Paris

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<v Speaker 2>up soon. Plus how disunity is already consuming the Albanezy

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<v Speaker 2>government just five days after their landslide win. Mark Drafers

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<v Speaker 2>and Ed Husick are set to be dumped. I'll bring

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<v Speaker 2>you Paul Keating's comments about this shortly, but first tonight

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<v Speaker 2>to the good news. Well, we've been speaking on the

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<v Speaker 2>show this week about how just Center Namba Jimpa Price

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<v Speaker 2>needs to move to the Liberal Party and into a

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<v Speaker 2>Lower House seat to position herself for a future run

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<v Speaker 2>at the leadership, and today Jacinta announced her intention to

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<v Speaker 2>join the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a decision that I've thought a lot about,

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<v Speaker 3>and firstly, I guess I've always felt like the Liberal

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<v Speaker 3>Party room is my natural home. Given you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Liberal Party is the Freedom Party, the party of responsibility. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>given the current circum stances, I think now more than ever,

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<v Speaker 3>when it's strong people within the Liberal Party, we need

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to rebuild.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I can tell you that it's most likely Center

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<v Speaker 2>Price will be the deputy leader with Angus Taylor as

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<v Speaker 2>the leader. But I can also tell you that she

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't ruled anything out when it comes to the leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>She hasn't ruled out running as leader. Now, the Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Party convention is that you can't lead the party from

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate or from the Northern Territory for that matter,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not a hard and fast rule. An opposition

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<v Speaker 2>leader could sit in the Senate, but a prime minister

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<v Speaker 2>must sit in the lower House. So if Jacenter was

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<v Speaker 2>opposition leader from the Senate, she then need to run

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<v Speaker 2>for a seat at the next election or in a

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<v Speaker 2>by election if one came up. But even Jacenter's biggest

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<v Speaker 2>backers in the Liberal Party, and I've spoken to some

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<v Speaker 2>of them today, well their view is that she isn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite ready yet to be leader and that she should

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<v Speaker 2>run for the deputy leader position now and build her experience.

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<v Speaker 2>The leadership candidates as we speak are still Angus Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>and Susan Lee, and it's understood Jacinta would be on

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<v Speaker 2>a ticket with Angus and she's quite happy to be

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<v Speaker 2>his deputy now. One argument that's running against Angus Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>as leader is that he opposed Labour's tax cuts. As

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that was a suicidal decision for the coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I've been told that it was actually a decision

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<v Speaker 2>taken by Peter Dutton and Susan Lay in the afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>of budget lockup, and Angus Taylor, I'm told, actually argued

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<v Speaker 2>against it in that internal meeting but ultimately had to

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<v Speaker 2>accept their decision and then publicly argue the case. But

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<v Speaker 2>back to Jacinta. So she will at this point most

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<v Speaker 2>likely be Angus Taylor's deputy. But if she performs well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure she will, there's the option to move

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<v Speaker 2>her to a Lower House seat and from that position

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<v Speaker 2>she could run for the leadership of the Liberal Party. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>in my view, Giacenta would be a visionary choice as

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal leader. She would truly be modernizing the party and

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<v Speaker 2>who wouldn't get behind her? And it would beat the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party at their own game. Labor would have a

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<v Speaker 2>white old man in Anthony Albanezi running against a young

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<v Speaker 2>female an indigenous Leadercina brings excitement and energy to the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party. If elected by Australians, Jacenta would be Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>first Indigenous Prime minister. It would neutralize a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the concerns about the coalition. Labour couldn't run their typical

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<v Speaker 2>scare campaign claiming the Liberal Party has a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>women or that it's out of touch. Now everyone Acceptsenta

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<v Speaker 2>Nabajimpa Price is a once in a generation political talent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a point Alexander Downer, a former Foreign minister, made

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<v Speaker 2>on Chris Kenny earlier this evening.

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<v Speaker 4>She's fearless. She absolutely goes out and makes her arguments

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<v Speaker 4>unapologetically and with great determination. I think she's one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most important center right politicians in Australia of her generation.

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<v Speaker 4>And the fact that she could end up by being

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<v Speaker 4>the dignity leader of the Liberal Party, which on the

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<v Speaker 4>basis of the media is a possibility, is a very

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<v Speaker 4>very good sign for the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you what, there would be a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of media commentators endorsing Jacinta as leader. Ray Hadley already

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<v Speaker 2>did it on this show earlier this week. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect combination would be Jacinta as leader and James

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson as a deputy. He has in depth experience in

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<v Speaker 2>national security and defense portfolios. He's got extremely strong policy substance,

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<v Speaker 2>he has young children. He's in the Senate, so he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have an interest in running for the leadership or

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<v Speaker 2>moving to a House of Representative seat, and just Center

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<v Speaker 2>and James are good friends. You can see a picture

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<v Speaker 2>the Senator James Patterson posted today on his social media page.

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<v Speaker 2>And Patterson was among those who helped convince you Center

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<v Speaker 2>to move to the Liberal Party, along with Tony Abbott

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<v Speaker 2>and Claire Chandler. Now. In her interview with Peter Kredline

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this evening, just Enterprise said that she's not limiting

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<v Speaker 2>herself when it comes to leadership ambitions.

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<v Speaker 3>I will not put any limitations on myself and ultimately,

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<v Speaker 3>again I guess I've always been led by the Australian

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<v Speaker 3>people and will continue to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>And Justina's personal story of overcoming adversity is simply incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>She told it in her book last year, Courage, to

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<v Speaker 2>detail her struggles and her life of hardship. She embodies aspiration.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the quintessential Australian, proud of our country and proud

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<v Speaker 2>of what we can achieve collectively. And she's already proven

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<v Speaker 2>to the country that she's a terrific campaigner and a

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<v Speaker 2>tough politician. Her stance during the Voice was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons voters went against Albanese's proposition. So it's terrific

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<v Speaker 2>that she's moving to the Liberal Party. But my message

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<v Speaker 2>to Jacinta tonight is don't run as deputy, run as leader.

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<v Speaker 2>The Liberal Party has been crushed, decimated and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need more of the same. It needs total renewal with

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<v Speaker 2>fresh ideas and a fresh face and there's no better

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<v Speaker 2>person to do that than Jacinta Nampajim for price. Now

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<v Speaker 2>to more good news today, Adam Bant finally conceded he

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<v Speaker 2>had lost his seat of Melbourne, although it was a

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<v Speaker 2>rather odd concession speech that accepted no responsibility for his

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<v Speaker 2>extremist politics that led to his defeat. Instead, he blamed

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberals and One Nation for daring to preference the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party. I mean, it's incredible that bound has suffered

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<v Speaker 2>around a nine percent swing against him on a two

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<v Speaker 2>party preferred basis, and he still refuses to acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 2>the reason he lost was because of his own divisive

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<v Speaker 2>brand of politics. He represented hatred, racism, division and anger,

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<v Speaker 2>everything that Australians reject. At a time when Jewish Australians

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<v Speaker 2>were being vilified, he jumped on board and made false

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<v Speaker 2>accusations of a genocide in Gaza and encouraged the Pylon

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<v Speaker 2>against Israel. And he continued with some of those offensive

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<v Speaker 2>messages today and.

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<v Speaker 5>Also particularly thank everyone who had the courage to speak

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<v Speaker 5>up against the invasion of Gaza and spoke out for

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<v Speaker 5>peace in Palestine. And I think as we see events

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<v Speaker 5>continue to unfold and continue to unfold, in the most

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<v Speaker 5>tragic way. This is a massive moment of humanity and

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<v Speaker 5>we have been really proud, and I've been really proud

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<v Speaker 5>to continue to push for a just and lasting peace

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<v Speaker 5>for the people of Palestine and Israel, which is going

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<v Speaker 5>to be based on an end to the invasion and

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<v Speaker 5>an end to the occupation.

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<v Speaker 2>And that right there was the problem under Bounced leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>The Greens weren't an environmental party that cared about trees,

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<v Speaker 2>koalas or forests. He was fighting for Gaza controlled by

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<v Speaker 2>the terror group a muss. It wasn't fighting for Australians

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly not for Jewish Australians. And Peter Darton was

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<v Speaker 2>under no illusions about why Adam Bant lost writing on

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<v Speaker 2>social media. No spin by Adam Bant can change the

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<v Speaker 2>reality that he and other Green members lost their seats

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<v Speaker 2>because of their appalling treatment of the Jewish community. Australians

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<v Speaker 2>were rightly disgusted at their behavior. We were proud to

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<v Speaker 2>preference the Greens last, helping to ensure Adam Bant's loss,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's one victory. Dunnan can certainly be proud of

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<v Speaker 2>preferencing the Greens last, and I hope this is a

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<v Speaker 2>tradition the Liberals continue to ensure an anti Semitic party

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<v Speaker 2>has no place in Australia's House of Representatives. Albinizi as well,

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<v Speaker 2>is happy to see the backer Green's leader Adam Bant,

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<v Speaker 2>although the Greens are upset that Albaneze has gloated over

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<v Speaker 2>their demise, with Max Chandler Mather complaining that Albanezi was

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<v Speaker 2>too unkind. He wrote on x I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>PM launching into another attack on someone who isn't even

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<v Speaker 2>in Parliament rather than celebrating a historic win. Proves my point,

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<v Speaker 2>which is this is how the political class treats people

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<v Speaker 2>who fight for renters and real change. And he said

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<v Speaker 2>compare this to his kind words for Dutton. But the

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<v Speaker 2>point is when you're part of an extremist and racist party,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't expect anyone to mourn you or be upset

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<v Speaker 2>when you're gone. And Ben Fordham today described him as

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<v Speaker 2>a sore loser.

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Alberanezi is right.

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<v Speaker 6>Max Chandler May though, was tough as nails one minute

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<v Speaker 6>and running off to mum the next.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are also some Greens influencers who are so

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<v Speaker 2>out of touch with reality that they're claiming the Greens

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<v Speaker 2>actually did well.

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<v Speaker 7>For all the freaky little widos on the internet saying

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<v Speaker 7>that people are leaving the Greens in high numbers, that

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<v Speaker 7>just simply isn't true. As we can see here, the

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<v Speaker 7>Greens have secured the highest ever vote in history.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 8>Even mad about Adam losing his seat, and I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 8>sure Adam's not even mad about it either. I think

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<v Speaker 8>out of this whole situation, it was really good to

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<v Speaker 8>keep Thatt now and what we actually did see is

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<v Speaker 8>an increase in primary votes for the Greens.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm seeing so many insane headlines like Greens crash out

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<v Speaker 9>and like dismal results for Greens and step back, look

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<v Speaker 9>at the big picture. Oh my god, even just with

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<v Speaker 9>the Senate, like we have come so far this vote.

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<v Speaker 2>No, like you have not come so far. Instead of

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<v Speaker 2>listening to those influencers who have lost touch with reality,

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<v Speaker 2>the message for the Greens should be that they need

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<v Speaker 2>to drop their extremist and anti Semitic positions and this

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<v Speaker 2>should be a lesson for all in the Parliament. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it hasn't even been a week since Labour's shock landslide

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<v Speaker 2>when and already they're fighting over the spoils of office.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems unity was just skin deep. There's a push

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<v Speaker 2>now to dump Attorney General Mark Dreyfus from cabinet ed

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<v Speaker 2>Husick two. A Labour source told the Australians Greg Brown

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<v Speaker 2>today that Drefus is fighting back against the attempts to

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<v Speaker 2>remove him. Now right wing faction bosses and this includes

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<v Speaker 2>the Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles, a keen to replace

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<v Speaker 2>Drefus with another Victorian Right MP and if Drafus is

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<v Speaker 2>truly furious about this, if he is dumped, he could

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<v Speaker 2>even quit parliament and cause the by election in his

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian seat of Isaacs now Albanize. He also wants to

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<v Speaker 2>add another politician from his Socialist Left action to his government,

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<v Speaker 2>which as you know, is itself a radical left proposition.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the New South Wales right of the Labor

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<v Speaker 2>Party is under pressure to dump one cabinet spot. So

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<v Speaker 2>this would mean that a high profile figure would lose

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<v Speaker 2>their job and those who could be demoted include Chris Bowen,

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<v Speaker 2>ed Husick, Tony Burke or Jason Claire. And the reports

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<v Speaker 2>are tonight that ed Husick is most likely to be dumped,

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<v Speaker 2>and Husick has been critical of Albanezi personally, and he

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<v Speaker 2>certainly isn't seen as a loyal figure towards the Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is quite the surprise because many Labour figures

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<v Speaker 2>assumed that ed Husick would be promoted in this second

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<v Speaker 2>term along with paramatt A and P Andrew Charlton. And

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to say he's the most overqualified backbencher in

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<v Speaker 2>Australian political history. Victorian Right and P Sam Ray and

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Malino might be elevated to cabinet along with Tim

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<v Speaker 2>Ayres or Jess Walsh from the Left faction. Now what

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<v Speaker 2>you need to understand is there will be noses out

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<v Speaker 2>of joint and so you can expect disgruntled politicians to

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<v Speaker 2>cause some trouble for the Prime minister. This at least

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<v Speaker 2>will keep him on his toes. For all of us,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be fun to watch. But Albinizi is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>keep a lid on all this in fighting. He claims

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<v Speaker 2>his party room is operating with humility and solidarity, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's quite funny because there's an intense level of squabbling

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<v Speaker 2>over cabinet positions that is simply astounding. Just five days

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<v Speaker 2>after one of the great election victories for the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Alberiziosa today said he was set to speak with King Charles.

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<v Speaker 2>He's planning a trip as well to Washington next month

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<v Speaker 2>to meet with Donald Trump. The US President was waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for the outcome of this election before investing any more

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<v Speaker 2>time in Albanizi or even bothering to set up a

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<v Speaker 2>phone call with him, and despite claiming he'd never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of Peter Dutton. Albanese's winners certainly not the outcome Trump

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<v Speaker 2>would have been hoping for, but the chaos of the

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<v Speaker 2>trade tariffs is partly to blame for the size of

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<v Speaker 2>the coalition's defeat, given Labour successfully linked Dutton to Trump

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<v Speaker 2>in the campaign. Now, Albanesi will also go to the

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<v Speaker 2>g seventh summit in Canada and Indonesia next week to

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<v Speaker 2>meet with Proboo Subianto. Albanizi did this in his first

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<v Speaker 2>term as well. You'll recall he spent much of that

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<v Speaker 2>first year overseas, disconnected from Australia, and it's when his

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<v Speaker 2>popularity was the highest when he was out of sight.

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<v Speaker 2>And in reality, you've got to say, if Australia can

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<v Speaker 2>be an albow free zone as much as possible, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>all for it, all right, Let's cross live to the

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<v Speaker 2>Vatican now, where black smoke came out of the Sistine

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<v Speaker 2>Chapel just moments before, indicating the cardinals failed to secure

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<v Speaker 2>a new pope. But this is only the conclave's third

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<v Speaker 2>round of voting, and it is normal to have not

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<v Speaker 2>elected a pope at this stage. In fact, it once

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<v Speaker 2>took nearly three years. Let's go live to Sky News

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<v Speaker 2>reporter Stas Butlers. Stas, thanks so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is disappointing. We all had our eyes glued

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<v Speaker 2>on that chimney to see if white smoke would come out.

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<v Speaker 2>What's been the reaction from the crowd waiting.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, there was a huge cry that went up for

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<v Speaker 10>the tens of thousands of people who've gathered here in

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<v Speaker 10>Saint Peter's Square, all eyes glued on a tiny chimney.

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<v Speaker 10>This's just out of view over my right shoulder here

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<v Speaker 10>to the right of the Basilica as you look at it,

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<v Speaker 10>the roof of the Sistine Chapel where that black smoke

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<v Speaker 10>emerged about half an hour ago. We weren't you know,

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<v Speaker 10>as you said, it would be quite an early vote

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<v Speaker 10>for them to for the cardinals one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 10>three of them gathered in the Sistine Chapel to reach

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<v Speaker 10>a two thirds majority needed to elect a pope at

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<v Speaker 10>this stage. But that said, the last two conclaves finished

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<v Speaker 10>on the second day, so it's not out of the

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<v Speaker 10>realm of possibility that we could have a pope here

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<v Speaker 10>by this evening. And I think that when this evening

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<v Speaker 10>comes around and we have the next two voting this afternoon,

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<v Speaker 10>there's going to be even more people gathered here as

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<v Speaker 10>people get off work.

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<v Speaker 2>Stats are we're hearing any more? Have there been any

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<v Speaker 2>leaks perhaps about who the leading contenders are?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I mean, the nature of conclave is certainly the

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<v Speaker 10>designed to prevent against any of those kinds of leagues.

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<v Speaker 10>They've combed the Sistine Chapel, they've checked it for bugs.

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<v Speaker 10>There's mechanism in place to stop electromagnetic signals, to stop

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<v Speaker 10>any kind of radio signals. They really really the intent

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<v Speaker 10>is to cut off cardinals completely from the outside world,

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<v Speaker 10>not only them, but also the people, the necessary staff

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<v Speaker 10>we were looking after them, cooks, cleaners and so on.

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<v Speaker 10>They've also been sworn to secrecy, So no sign in

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<v Speaker 10>the past few days about who those front runners might be.

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<v Speaker 10>There's a lot of speculation before the conclave began. The

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<v Speaker 10>two front runners frequently named by everyone, the Vatican Scutory

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<v Speaker 10>of State at Pietro paroline who's seen as a kind

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<v Speaker 10>of steady hand an Italian diplomat. The other a man

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<v Speaker 10>known as the Asian Francis, the Filipino Louis Antonio Tagli,

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<v Speaker 10>former Archbishop of Manila. But there's a saying here in Rome,

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<v Speaker 10>he who enters conclave as a pope, meaning as a

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<v Speaker 10>front runner, leaves a cardinal. And there've been certainly a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of surprises in the past, so don't be a

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<v Speaker 10>surprised at all of the person who walks out on

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<v Speaker 10>that central balcony behind me on Speter Basilica is someone

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<v Speaker 10>who we weren't expecting at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, all right, Stash really appreciate that update from us

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<v Speaker 2>live in the Vatican City. All right, let's bringing now

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal leader in Wa Basil zemplus the National Senator Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Canavan our regular Thursday panel. Great to see you both. Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get your reaction first, you as delighted

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<v Speaker 2>as I am. Just Enterprise has defected to the Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Party and might now be in a leadership position.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think you might need to cool your jets

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<v Speaker 6>on that, Shari. And look, it's very sad because I

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<v Speaker 6>think Justin's done enormous damage to her reputation. I've had

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<v Speaker 6>enormous being inundated with feedback from people from the Northern Territory,

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<v Speaker 6>very upset. She hasn't spoken to members up there who

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<v Speaker 6>elected her, hasn't spoken to the party, hasn't spoken to

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<v Speaker 6>her colleagues in Canberra about this.

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<v Speaker 1>And keep in mind, everybody, when you get into parliament, Shari,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do it on your own. Just said.

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<v Speaker 6>It's very talented, but you do it with a team

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<v Speaker 6>of people that support you but take you through the

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<v Speaker 6>hard times. And she hasn't even had the decency to

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<v Speaker 6>speak to those people in the Northern Territory. It was

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<v Speaker 6>only a week ago she was elected as a member

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<v Speaker 6>as a senator.

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<v Speaker 1>She's actually not yet elected.

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<v Speaker 6>I haven't finished counting, but she's going to be elected

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<v Speaker 6>as a senator sitting in the National's Party and that's

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<v Speaker 6>what she stood at the election for. And I don't know, Shari,

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<v Speaker 6>how you can go to the people one week and

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<v Speaker 6>say I'm going to represent this party in the Nation's

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<v Speaker 6>Deparliament and then the very next week turn around, so

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<v Speaker 6>I actually I've changed my mind going to go a

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<v Speaker 6>different side. It's like changing teams on the football field

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<v Speaker 6>after the whistle has blown. It's not the sort of

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<v Speaker 6>behavior I think Austrains appreciate, and it's just sort of

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<v Speaker 6>the kind of thing that Lydia Thorpe did. How is

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<v Speaker 6>what your center's doing any different from what Lydia did?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's serious and Lydia.

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<v Speaker 6>Lydia at least had a policy disagreement with the Greens

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<v Speaker 6>that your center's left. In this case, she's left our party,

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<v Speaker 6>left her colleagues, left the people that supported her, and

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<v Speaker 6>put a great cost to the people that did that

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<v Speaker 6>over many years. It's not particularly not sort of behavior

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<v Speaker 6>you should be proud of.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an extraordinary spray there, Matt Canavan. I mean, Jacinta

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't possibly none of us have. But she couldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>foreseen the fact that Dutton would lose his seat, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the Liberal leadership would be vacant, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the Liberals would have bottomed out as badly as

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<v Speaker 2>they did, only thirty nine or forty seats. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>because of these politicalart.

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<v Speaker 1>She's doing this for her ambition. She's doing this for her.

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<v Speaker 6>People second died of it the rubbish, right, She's doing

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<v Speaker 6>it for her ambition, and good luck to her. Good

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<v Speaker 6>luck to her. But people are sick and tired of that.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean that the focus now after a loss like this,

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<v Speaker 6>Shari needs to be on the Austraian people, not on

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<v Speaker 6>the Australian politician.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, did you say she's doing this?

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<v Speaker 6>She's going to run for a party that she hasn't

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<v Speaker 6>even not even a member of yet, she's not even

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<v Speaker 6>a member of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet she's going to run for the leader of that party.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, how about we just take a take a

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<v Speaker 6>chill pill here and think about what is best for

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<v Speaker 6>the Australian people after a loss like this.

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<v Speaker 2>And don't you think it's best for the Australian people

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<v Speaker 2>to have someone like just Center Price as either leader

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<v Speaker 2>or deputy leader of the opposition. There needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>a strong opposition. Isn't she more talented than virtually any

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<v Speaker 2>other figure in the Liberal Party in the Lower House?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean there's great people in Liberal Party, Shari. I

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<v Speaker 6>think that's that's that's pretty unkind to many of the

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<v Speaker 6>people there just said it's great, like she's she's I've

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<v Speaker 6>got great respect for her, got great respect for lots

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<v Speaker 6>of the people though that I work with across the

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<v Speaker 6>Liberal National parties or political parties.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's nothing wrong with ambition by the way back then,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's nothing wrong with ambition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 6>But but Shari, the problem here is is how she's

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<v Speaker 6>done this. She's done damage to her own reputation with

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<v Speaker 6>the colleagues, damaged to her reputation with the people it

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<v Speaker 6>worked for her. How does this help her or the country?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I do think In fact, Shari, just days

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<v Speaker 6>ago I encouraged just Senter to think about running for

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<v Speaker 6>leadership positions in the Nationals Party because I still thought

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<v Speaker 6>she was in our party group. She's got enormous potential.

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<v Speaker 6>Sky's the limit. But this is not the way. This

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<v Speaker 6>is not leadership type of behavior to treat other people

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<v Speaker 6>like this, and that's going to hurt her.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the longer term it's very sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's bring basilin. What do you think of this argument here?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you Centerprice was right to move to

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party to be in a leadership position.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 11>I can hear the disappointment in Matten's voice, and I

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<v Speaker 11>understand that, and I accept the National's position on this,

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<v Speaker 11>and it would appear as though they didn't expect this

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<v Speaker 11>or couldn't see this coming, So that element of surprise

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<v Speaker 11>has clearly caught them out. I also understand people propelling

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<v Speaker 11>themselves forward if opportunity presents, and that appears to be

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<v Speaker 11>what has happened here. And she obviously feels that her

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<v Speaker 11>political fortunes and therefore quite possibly the fortunes of her

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<v Speaker 11>followers and her people, are best served by her being

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<v Speaker 11>a member of the Liberal Party in the parliamentary team.

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<v Speaker 11>Can I just say this too a lot of people

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<v Speaker 11>around the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Why didn't she say that last week?

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<v Speaker 6>Why does she have the guts to say and the

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<v Speaker 6>people last week before?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't have known last week that Dutan was no

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<v Speaker 2>longer going to be a leader.

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<v Speaker 1>See come downs.

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<v Speaker 6>This is not because of that, the Shari, This is

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<v Speaker 6>not because of that. It's not because of that. Don't

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<v Speaker 6>treat people a bit more respect. This has been on

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<v Speaker 6>the cards for a while. We've all heard the speculation,

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<v Speaker 6>and she feels like this is the best opportunity to

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<v Speaker 6>run for a leadership position right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, good luck to her.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean I would say, Shari, I think she's got

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<v Speaker 6>enormous talent. As I said, enormous talent. But some questions

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<v Speaker 6>have to be asked here. How come the LMP went

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<v Speaker 6>back sorry the CLP, this country Liberal Party went backwar

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<v Speaker 6>eleven percent In just sent his hometown of Alice Springs

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<v Speaker 6>with all of the crime that's there. I mean, if

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 6>you said it can't win Alice Springs, how is she

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<v Speaker 6>going to win over Australia. I mean that I think

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<v Speaker 6>she got Annomo. She's got enormous talent, but but you

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<v Speaker 6>know you've got it your first job in politics, win

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<v Speaker 6>your local area, when your street, when you back out,

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 6>everyone does that, we win government and so I just

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<v Speaker 6>don't quite. I think, you know, I think people are

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<v Speaker 6>doing it. It has been badly advised here. I'm really

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<v Speaker 6>it's not the right step to take right now for her.

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<v Speaker 6>And look, we'll see how it turns out.

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<v Speaker 2>Basil, what do you think? Don't you think you know,

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<v Speaker 2>modernizing the Liberal Party having a chance of beating Labor

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:41.679
<v Speaker 2>you do just need a completely fresh face, someone like

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<v Speaker 2>just into nambijinpur Price, who is not only a female,

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<v Speaker 2>but but indigenous as well. Who embodies aspiration, who's got

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<v Speaker 2>the most incredible journey, who stood up against the voice

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that showed a lot of courage. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 11>I accept a lot of what Matt is saying. And

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<v Speaker 11>again I understand the nationals disappointment with this, and particularly

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<v Speaker 11>if they didn't see it coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that.

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<v Speaker 11>I think opportunity has presented, and I think the opportunity

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 11>has presented because of the leadership vacuum that now has

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 11>presented itself. And so with that opportunity there, just in

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 11>Senator Price has decided all right, the doors opened. This

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 11>is unorthodox, it is unusual, It's not what anyone's expecting.

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 11>But I can see the best opportunity, Yes for me,

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 11>but maybe for her. That also means for the issues

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 11>and the things that matter most to her. And I'll

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 11>just say this, I accept that in Senator Price's case,

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 11>because of the very unique circumstances of the area that

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 11>she represents, she may well be less popular there because

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:48.719
<v Speaker 11>of the complexity of that situation than she is in

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 11>the broader massive crime just because and I accept that crime,

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 11>I send that, I accept that, but that issue is not.

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:00.640
<v Speaker 11>The rest of the country's is Huey and the way

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 11>she performed during the referendum, we know this won her

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 11>a lot of fans, a lot of followers, and a

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 11>lot of friends. And she may well be saying, Okay,

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 11>doors opened, I'm going through it, so gamble and I

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 11>understand the disappointment, but that's what politics is about. Sometimes

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 11>the chance comes, it presents you go for it or

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 11>you don't. She's going for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt, Can I say something else? I mean, we all

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>know a lot of politicians, and there are those politicians

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 2>that you meet them and you just think all they

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 2>care about is their ego and their own ambition. And

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 2>then you meet others and you do get the very

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 2>strong sense that they're in politics to try and make

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 2>a difference in our nation. You might not agree with

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>their vision, but you can see they're doing it for

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>the right reasons. And to me, Jacinta strikes me as

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>exactly that sort of politician. She's in it for the

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 2>right reasons. She's had such a long journey to get

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 2>to this point, and wouldn't having her in a leadership position,

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 2>even if it's not your part. I understand you disappointed

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 2>about that, but wouldn't that be the best outcome for

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 2>the coalition?

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<v Speaker 6>Well a week ago I would have agreed with you, Shari.

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 6>But as I said earlier, why couldn't she go and

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 6>speak to the members that have fought so hard for

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 6>her to be in parliament, many of whom were supporting

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 6>her because they support the Nationals Party. I mean, just

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 6>a week ago Jacenta was using National's Party funds to

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 6>be elected, and this week has walked away from that

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:33.639
<v Speaker 6>party that helped her despite all of that support, and

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 6>without any sort of conversation. I mean, I do draw

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 6>a contrast here. Look, this happens. It happens from time

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 6>to time. Has been people to switch parties within the coalision,

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 6>but there is usually a process that's gone through. And

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 6>the last time it has happened in McFarlane wanted to

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 6>join the Nationals Party. He actually went back to his

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 6>local branch into Womba.

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I was there.

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 6>I was there at the meeting, a very heated meeting,

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 6>but he put his fate in their hands.

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>It was up to them to decide which way he went.

0:28:57.520 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 6>He didn't end up actually winning that one, but he

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 6>lost at the EXECUSI for the l MP, so he

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 6>went through a two stage process, but he went to

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 6>both the party members and the party executive, and he

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 6>suffered the fate that they decided.

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure why. I just sim I couldn't have

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>done this here. There's no rush right now.

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, well, there's a party were a meeting on at.

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Least got three years.

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, party, So and she does want to run

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>in a leadership position quite quite clearly.

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>What about all those members? Shary? What about all those people?

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 6>I'm speaking for them to a camera, but they hand out.

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 6>I found I found I found out about this was scrutineering.

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 6>I was scrutineering for a liberal candidate here l and

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 6>p but Liberal Party in candidate Tory, young, great guy.

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to.

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 6>Help him and and and there's all those other volunteers

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 6>there doing that. They don't get the accolades, but they

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 6>see then the people they support do this, and it's like, well,

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 6>why did I get a state?

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't I question matter?

0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 11>I get the disappointment. Do you think the people of

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 11>the Northern Territory who she represents? Do you think the

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 11>people of the Northern Territories a conservative? Do you think

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 11>the people of the Northern Territory care whether she goes

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 11>to Canberra as a GNAT or as a LIB. I

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 11>wonder whether they would the people that she represents, and

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 11>I wonder whether they.

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>The party members they can better about them. I mean,

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>do you and I accept that?

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 11>And I accept that Nationals accept that National's disappointment.

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely get that.

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 11>But the people that she represents, the constituents of the

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 11>Northern Territory, their issues, their problems, their challenges, can just

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 11>expin prosecute the arguments for those people as a LIB.

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's what she's weighed up and decided.

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.479
<v Speaker 6>She thinks that it comes greater opportunity, and I wouldn't.

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 6>Wouldn't I'm happy to put I'm happy to put the

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 6>Nationals party record right now against the Liberls, if you

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 6>want to go that far. But the situation here, just

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 6>to explain, is when you're elected a senator, you're actually

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 6>not really elected by the people, and not only the people,

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 6>you're elected by your party to represent.

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>That. Accept that and then to understand that. And our

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>just center is very popular and well known.

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 6>But before that she was on the ticket just like me,

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 6>as a party representative, and so party members here but

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 6>again in a week we could say then they've been disinfrancised.

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 11>But also, Matt, that the client in the vote that

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 11>you spoke about, well, we could also then use the

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 11>same logic to say that's not Senator Price's fault.

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Good point?

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, it is her.

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 6>I mean, look, I don't want to be egotistical here, right,

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 6>but I spend eighty percent of my time trying to

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 6>win central Queensland.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 6>I'm based in Rockhampton, and now at the election we've

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 6>got a one percent swing away from us in Central

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 6>queens and Capricornia, and where I live, that's pretty good.

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 6>We had a six percent swing first in Flynn, the

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 6>seat below me with Colin Boyce tours. So I spend

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 6>my time doing that and I'm on the back.

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Bet, we're nearly out of time. We're out of time,

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 2>and I just want to quickly basel ask you about

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the new WA seat of Bullwinkle and where this is

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 2>up to.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, at the close of counting only about half an

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 11>hour ago, the Labour candidate three hundred and thirty three

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 11>votes in front, still too close to call, and the

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.959
<v Speaker 11>Libs certainly not conceding for Matt Moran It is getting

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 11>more difficult as this small margin increases ever so slightly,

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 11>but it is not over yet. Three hundred and thirty

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 11>three votes at the close of counting tonight, with more

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 11>counting still to come.

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, and as we speak, Bradfield and cup

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Young are also too close to call. Like, I really

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 2>don't understand why the AEC is taking so long to

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>count this week unless there are those postals that haven't

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.719
<v Speaker 2>arrived yet. All right, Basil zamplus Matt Canavan, good debate.

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure just Enterprices watching Matt. You'll be getting your

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>text messages from just into no doubt we'll see send

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 2>a messages.

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I've told her what I was going to say, see.

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 2>You guys next week. So to come. Parliament House has

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>been cleared of its worst anti Israel voice. Novi Peris

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 2>is in the mood to celebrate. You'll join me soon.

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Plus Paul Keating reacts to the ruthless decision to dump

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Mark Dreyfus and Ed Husick. We'll talk about that after

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>this quick break. Welcome back. Well, Paul Keating has come

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 2>out tonight to react to the ruthless decision to dump

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Mark Dreyfus and ed Husick. The finn Review reports that

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Keating said that while the Prime Minister has recently made

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 2>captain calls in a number of otherwise rules based pre

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 2>selection ballots, his non intervention in respect of a new

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 2>South Wales minister on this occasion is in effect an

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 2>endorsement of a representative of another state group, in this

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 2>case the Victorian right faction led by Richard Martz. He

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>says typically Keating esque spray. It's a faction demonstrably devoid

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:51.239
<v Speaker 2>of creativity and capacity, and you wouldn't disagree with him

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 2>there joining me in our Institute of Public Affairs chief

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>economist Adam Crichton, Adam legendary former Labor Prime Minister Paul Keating, Well,

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>what do you think of him reaction to this news

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>that it looks like Mark Dreyfus and ed Husick quite strangely,

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>perhaps you know the first Muslim MP, I'm the most

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 2>senior Jewish minister will be dump from cabinet.

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, well, certainly I was rather surprised that Keating intervened. Actually,

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:21.959
<v Speaker 12>this is the way as I understand it, the Labor

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 12>Party has worked for a very long time. The factions

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 12>are very powerful both nationally and within the States, and

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 12>there's been a minor earthquake since the election. You've got

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 12>this huge influx of new Labor MPs. The left faction,

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 12>as I understand it, is now more powerful. It's going

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 12>to have fifteen spots in cabinet rather than fourteen. And

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.800
<v Speaker 12>basically the net impact of all this is that ed

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 12>Husick is going to go and Mark Drefus is going

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 12>to go. And I understand it. The Prime Minister could

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 12>have intervened if he liked, but you can only do

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 12>that so many times. You know, the labor leader is

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 12>not as powerful as a liberal leader is within their

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 12>own party, of you know, because of the power of

0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 12>the various factions. But you know, the more interesting you

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 12>viewers and for the general public.

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Is what no continue.

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 12>Well, just that you know the achievements of Mark Dreyfus.

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 12>I mean, I'm sure your viewers would not think he's

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.719
<v Speaker 12>been a fantastic champion of the Jewish people. And you know,

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 12>I struggle to think of something that ed Husick has achieved,

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 12>as you know, as the Minister for Innovation. So I

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 12>don't think they're really great losses. And I think this

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 12>is just kind of inside the Beltway stuff. It's just

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 12>a question of who's getting five hundred thousand dollars a year,

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 12>who's getting three hundred thousand dollars a year, those sorts

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 12>of questions, how many staff to people have? You know,

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 12>this obviously matters in camera, but I think broadly and

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 12>more broadly, it doesn't really matter.

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Just a couple of points in response to that. I mean,

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister at this point in time has more

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>authority than he's ever had. You know, if he wanted

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 2>to back in Dreyfus or ed Husick, he could definitely do.

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 2>So we know his relationship with ed Husick isn't good,

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and just on the point about dref isn't And perhaps

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I should have spoken about it before now because people

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 2>might be oneing. Look, he was the most senior Jewish

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.879
<v Speaker 2>minister in the Labor government. It is my strong understanding

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 2>that he did defend Israel inside cabinet meetings when others

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 2>like Tony Burke and Penny Wong were, you know, moving

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 2>to hostile positions on Israel. He did defend it. He did.

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 2>But you'll recall he came to our Sky News anti

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Semitism summit. I organized that summit. He came and he spoke,

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and in his final comment he accused us of covering

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 2>the issue for ratings. I mean, you know, that couldn't

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 2>be further from the truth, and it's the reverse. In fact,

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.839
<v Speaker 2>not everyone wants to sit and listen to us speak

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 2>about anti Semitism the whole time. But that was his accusation.

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 2>He was booed by the Jewish community in that synagogue

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't, you know, our audience, it was the

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 2>synagogue's audience. So he has been an incredible disappointment. He

0:36:56.320 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 2>preferenced the Green Second, that was a massive betrayal. Josh

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Burns didn't do that. Josh Burns was re elected very

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 2>strongly in McNamara. So there's all of that. But you know,

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>this isn't the first time just say that A's intervened

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>in federal politics. I mean, he thinks our personal income

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 2>tax rates are too high. Neither of us would disagree

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 2>on that. But you know, why won't the government listen

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 2>here's the great economic reformer. Why won't the Abenezy government

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 2>listen to him, Adam when it comes to personal income

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 2>tax rates? Yeah?

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 12>Well, sadly, the Labor Party used to be a great

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 12>party of reform, but it seems to have turned its

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 12>back on that, and I do wish it would listen

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 12>to Paul Keating in that regard. I mean, he's repeatedly

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 12>said in recent years that the top marginal income tax

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 12>rate should not be higher than forty percent. He says,

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 12>if it's any higher than that, it is confiscatory, And

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 12>of course in Australia it's forty seven percent. And the

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 12>most frustrating thing we hear from the labor parties sometimes

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 12>is they like to compare Australia and our income tax

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 12>rates to small European countries on the other side of

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 12>the world. Who sure, they have extremely high income tax

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 12>rates compared to Australia, but they're also in your and

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 12>they're on the other side of the world. We're competing

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 12>with all these Asian countries. They have much much lower,

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 12>much much lower income tax rates than us. Indeed, you know,

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 12>China's top marginal tax rate is lower than Australia's. I mean,

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 12>isn't that just just absurd? I mean, There's is forty

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 12>five percent, ours is forty seven percent, and both of

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 12>them cut in roughly at the same.

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Level of income.

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 12>So you know, we're always talking about you know, so

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 12>called communist China. Well, you know what does that say

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 12>about us? So I do hope in this new government

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 12>we may see some flickers of tax reform. I think

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 12>the Labor Party's tax policies going into election, quite aside

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.439
<v Speaker 12>from its superinnuation tax policy, were not terrible. It did

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 12>cut it's has promised to cut the lowest marginal rate

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 12>of tax.

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 2>That's something.

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 12>Sure, it was piddling, but it is something. And I

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 12>thought the standard income tax deduction of one thousand dollars

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:46.879
<v Speaker 12>was you know, was pretty good too. So look, it's

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 12>a very low bar in Australia for reform. But you know,

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 12>we have to be optimistic because there's nothing else we

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 12>can do at this point.

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, well we can be pessimistic. That is the alternative.

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:59.399
<v Speaker 2>I've been feeling a bit pessimistic lately, trying to lift

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 2>myself out of it. Adam Krachten, great to see you

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 2>coming up. The alliance between Russia and China is growing,

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 2>with Shishiping the main guest at Putin's victory parade. We'll

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:13.240
<v Speaker 2>talk about that shortly. Plus it's hard to find someone

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 2>more pleased than I am that Adam Banunt is out

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 2>of Parliament, but Nova Paris might just be that person.

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:25.399
<v Speaker 2>She'll be on after this quick break. All right, welcome back.

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Well let's bring you now former Labor Senator Nova Paris

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 2>in Darwin. Nova, great to see you on the show again. Look,

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 2>if you're in Sydney, we'd be probably popping the champagne together.

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>What's your reaction to the end of Adam Banund's political career.

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 13>I was up every morning thinking to myself when are

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 13>they going to update the AEC and watching the swing

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 13>going against Adam, and I was thinking, when is it

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:55.280
<v Speaker 13>finally going to happen?

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 14>And sure enough it happened and there's been a lot

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 14>of jubilation actually, so you know, I was.

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 13>Part of a grassroots movement called Better Australia and we

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:11.240
<v Speaker 13>targeted key seats across Australia where there were the Teals

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.280
<v Speaker 13>and the Green candidates, and we were a grassroots movement

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 13>where we wanted one of the major parties to be

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 13>elected and to be able to govern outright and not

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 13>rely on these radicals for power and for the betterment

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 13>of this country. In the stability of this country as well.

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.799
<v Speaker 2>And that is I suppose one of the positives from

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>this election outcome. Were you disappointed that in the vast

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 2>majority of cases Labor did preference the Greens? Second, was

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>that a disappointment for you?

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 14>Look, as you know, I'm well out of politics.

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 13>I've been out since twenty sixteen, and you know, I've

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 13>been on your show a couple of times and I've

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 13>been very vocal about a number of things with regards

0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 13>to to labor making decisions, especially around you know, the

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 13>protection of Jewish Australians and the rise of anti Semitism.

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 14>So I guess this is what democracy is all about.

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 13>You can say yes and now about certain things, but

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:15.359
<v Speaker 13>I guess for a labor perspective, you know, it's one

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 13>thing to say that, but Labor has come off quite victorious.

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.800
<v Speaker 13>Is probably one of the most successful victories in political history.

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 13>I think they're moving up to ninety one seats now,

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 13>which is a huge win for Labor. But I think

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 13>the great thing about this now is Anthony Albanizi and

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 13>his cabinet has a mandate to deliver hopefully on all

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 13>the promises, but also bring stability back in Australia and

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 13>actually to stamp out the hate that we see weekly

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 13>Shahi on you know, the footpaths of this beautiful country,

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 13>which is you know, turning pear shape and not well

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 13>on the international scene as well.

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I assume that you're referring to the pro Palestinian protests.

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>But nover, we haven't any willingness by labor, by the

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 2>likes of Tony Burke, who's the Multicultural Affairs Minister, or

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 2>by any others to stamp out that behavior. So I mean,

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 2>do you think they are going to start now?

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 14>Well, I hope so.

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 13>You know, in my opinion, you look at the seats

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:22.399
<v Speaker 13>of Tony Burke, Chris Bowen and Jason Clair, who all

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 13>held seats in the western Sydney areas where we see,

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.680
<v Speaker 13>you know, a lot of the vicious and the violent hatred,

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 13>you know, upon the Jewish community and the chanting of

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 13>free Palestine.

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 14>You know, you and I both know what that means.

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 13>It's mean the erasure of the Jewish people in their

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 13>own homeland, which the Jewish people have had an unbroken

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 13>connection for four thousand years. And you know what I

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:52.879
<v Speaker 13>do like and love about Chris Minz who's been very

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 13>strong and staunched on this and I think his leadership

0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 13>is incredible, And I hope now that Labor federally can

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.879
<v Speaker 13>take a leaf out of his you know, from him

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 13>and to.

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 14>Say well, this is what leadership looks like, and he's

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 14>not scared.

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 1>To say it.

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:10.879
<v Speaker 14>And the fact that he also.

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 13>Has experience in the Middle East and has been there

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 13>himself to Israel speaks from a personal connection. So you know,

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 13>I can't see Labor just being another term.

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 14>They could possibly be there for two terms.

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.320
<v Speaker 13>And I think that Anthony Alberanzi needs to draw a

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 13>line in the sand and you know, look after Israel,

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 13>the only democracy in the Middle East, and also acknowledge

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 13>this significant amount of contribution that the Jewish people have

0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 13>made to this country.

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 2>No, but I also want to ask you about just

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 2>sent her naw Bajimba price. You know, you came up

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>against her. You are on opposing sides of the voice debate.

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 2>She's now indicated that she's going to run for a

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 2>leadership position, most likely deputy leader of the Liberal Party.

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you think she'd be a good leader of our country?

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 13>Well, this is the thing and I found when I

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:07.360
<v Speaker 13>was in parliament up here and little on Northern Territory.

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 14>We have two members of the House.

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.320
<v Speaker 13>Of Reps and two senators and we used to complain

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 13>every single year that the Northern Territory would get less

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 13>than two percent infrastructure budget because in New South Wales,

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 13>what do you have some forty eight seats.

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:22.760
<v Speaker 14>And that's the focal point.

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 13>Of really and truly where a lot of money does

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 13>go into with the development of this country. And we

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 13>up here in the Northern Territory get sick and tired

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 13>of saying, well, yes we want to be the food

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 13>bowl to Asia, and yes we are the gateway to Asia,

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:39.359
<v Speaker 13>but the money doesn't stem this way. So I sort

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 13>of find having a member from the Northern Territory down

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 13>there speaking about views right across the country.

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 14>I mean, it's you.

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 13>You have to also broad in you know, I guess

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 13>not only just your knowledge beyond the Northern Territory, but

0:44:55.960 --> 0:45:01.399
<v Speaker 13>from a viewpoint of foreign policy, environment or the.

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't be apart from the Northern Territory. And I've got

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 2>to go so that just very quickly. Wouldn't it be

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 2>incredible to have an Indigenous Australian in such a high

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:12.720
<v Speaker 2>leadership position.

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 13>Well, I think any Indigenous person that can go forward

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 13>on their own merits, but I think as an Indigenous person,

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 13>you know, Jacinta hasn't been the kindest to us as.

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:30.440
<v Speaker 14>First nations people.

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 13>And I say that more broadly and just by reading

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 13>the room on how Aboriginal people you know, feel about Jacina,

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 13>and I for one know that I was incredibly disappointed

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 13>on how she you know, derailed the Voice to Parliament.

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 13>It was something that should have unified the country, not

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:48.839
<v Speaker 13>divided us.

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 14>And and you know, for me, I still.

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 13>Feel this country is broken because we, as the first Australians,

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.760
<v Speaker 13>the DNA of this country aren't on.

0:45:57.640 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 14>The nation's birth certificate.

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 13>And if she wants to put her hand up and

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 13>go forward, good luck to her.

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:07.399
<v Speaker 2>All right, Noviparis, really appreciate your time. Sorry to cut

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.799
<v Speaker 2>you off with it out of time. All right, after

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the break, we'll talk about Russia and China. We're back

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>in a moment. Joining me now is Australian Strategic Policy

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Institute senior analyst Malcolm Davis. Malcolm, good to see you.

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>The Chinese President has just arrived in Moscow for a

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 2>four day visit. What can we expect, Well, look.

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 15>The Chinese President is in Moscow for the Victory Day

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:39.239
<v Speaker 15>celebrations on May ninth, which is celebrating the victory of

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 15>the Red Army against Nazi Germany and the Second World War.

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 15>I think that what you will see is a summit

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:50.359
<v Speaker 15>between she and Putin to discuss the Axis of authoritarian

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:54.879
<v Speaker 15>States which were formed was formed essentially literally a day

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:58.799
<v Speaker 15>or so before Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine in

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 15>twenty twenty two, So I hardly think that she didn't

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 15>have any advance warning about that invasion, and I think

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 15>what you will see is discussions between she and Putain

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 15>on how that Axis of authoritarian states can carry the

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 15>fight against the Western democracies in a more intense way

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.920
<v Speaker 15>and basically challenge liberal democracy as a system of governance

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:21.760
<v Speaker 15>across the planet.

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 2>The Prime minister, our prime minister has confirmed he is

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 2>going to meet He's going to travel to Indonesia next

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 2>week meeting with President Proboo Sibianto. How important is this

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 2>relationship to Australia. What do you think they're going to discuss.

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Is it more of a photo opportunity or will there

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 2>be anything of substance.

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 15>Look, we should have a substantive discussion because during the

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 15>election campaign, one of the key issues was concerns about

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:53.720
<v Speaker 15>Indonesia climbing into the embrace of Russia, with Russia seeking

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.359
<v Speaker 15>to potentially base bombers out of Biac Island. I think

0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 15>if ALBANIZEI does not bring that up, is he does

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:07.279
<v Speaker 15>not discuss with Indonesia trying to avoid Indonesia drifting into

0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 15>the embrace not only of Russia but also China, then

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 15>it would be a missed opportunity. We cannot allow that

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 15>situation to emerge.

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 1>So in addition to.

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:20.960
<v Speaker 15>Trade and join investment in resources and those sort of things,

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 15>defense and security has to be on that agenda.

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure there'll be a lot of questions from

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the media about whether he does seek assurances from Indonesia

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:33.239
<v Speaker 2>that they won't be allowing Russia to base any sort

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 2>of military equipment there at all. We're just about out

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:40.880
<v Speaker 2>of time. But also noting that albanize is going to

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:45.040
<v Speaker 2>travel to Washington next month to meet with Trump, how

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 2>do you think that's going to go? Twenty seconds?

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Twenty seconds.

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 15>Hopefully it goes well, but discussing anything with Trump is uncertain.

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 15>Trump probably will want better trade relations with Australia, but

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:02.360
<v Speaker 15>at a beneficial welcome to the US, So we have

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.400
<v Speaker 15>to be prepared to bargain hard and that's not going

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:05.719
<v Speaker 15>to be easy, all.

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, Thank you so much, Malcolm Davis. Right, that's all

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 2>we've got time for today. Thank you so much for

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 2>your company this week. I'll see you on Monday at

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.800
<v Speaker 2>eight o'clock. And right now, here's Paul Murray.