1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, Quick one for the 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: sports romance, Girlies and Lovers. If you love a little tension, 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: second chance romance, and high stakes Formula one energy Full 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Throttle has just dropped on Audible. It's the second book 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: in the Racing Heart series, and it's a second chance romance, 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: whereas the first one is Enemies to Love Us. It's 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: basically f one meets second chance romance, which honestly feels 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: like the most elite combination possible. So keep listening for 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: more info on this five star listen. Hellllo and welcome 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: to the Basic Bitch book Club, the book club where 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: we talk about smart self help and book talk every 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: single week and wholely shit. We are we are so back. 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 2: We are back. 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: We are back because what better way to bring this 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: podcast back to your e holes than literally the biggest 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: book announcement of twenty twenty six. 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Like, let's be honest and it's only much so. 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: Unlocked in Basically, if you are living under a rock, 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: you probably haven't seen. 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: That Sarah J. Mass was officially. 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: A guest on Call Her Daddy, and she has spilled 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: some teeth, not all of it, not all of it. 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: I do feel like I was clickbaited a little bit, 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: but we did get some really juicy information, including our 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: Akata six and seven updates. So I have broken down 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: I watched the whole thing, I took notes, and I've 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: broken it down into basically overviews of what was discussed, 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: but then also by book, so that way you can 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: know what you want to know about certain books. Because 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: I don't want there to be any spoilers. My one 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: grievance with this, which I is not agreevance at all really, but. 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: It is tricky if you haven't read all of the 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: Sarah J. Mass books. 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: I've seen a couple comments about people being upset because 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: there's been spoilers in some of the teasers about like 36 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: throwne of Glass, which it is hard. 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: You know, when a. 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: Books come out nearly ten years ago, it's like you. 39 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: Probably it's probably fair game to discuss it. Potentially, I 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: don't know. 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: But the reason why I was like, I'm going to 42 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: break this out into this is the Akatar section. This 43 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: is what she spoke about throwne of Glass, and this 44 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: is what she spoke about the minimal amount she spoke. 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: About Crescent City. 46 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: So that way there's no spoilers for you that is 47 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: my plan. I'm very excited and yeah, let's just jump 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: straight into it. So Sarah jay Mass was on call 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: her daddy and this actually got leaked before it. 50 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: Was even announced, and everyone was like, oh my god, 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: it's happening. It's happening. 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: And one of my predictions was that they would release 53 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: the date that Akatar six was releasing, but it definitely 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: wasn't that they would also announce Akata seven. So Akitar 55 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: six is officially coming on the twenty sixth. No, that 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: is wrong, the twenty seventh of October twenty twenty six 57 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: and Akatar seven will be coming on the twelfth of 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: January twenty twenty seven. 59 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: So we're getting two. 60 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Books released in the span of six months, like in 61 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: less than six months, which I am wow. And so 62 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: they discussed kind of how Sarah has kind of gone 63 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: with writing these books and developing these books and basically 64 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: creating these worlds. So they really started the episode with discussing, 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, what it's been like writing these books, how 66 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: young she was when she first started writing these books, 67 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: and whether or not she plans these ideas and these 68 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: crossovers that she has, and she confirmed that these worlds 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: just live in her brain. She doesn't map them out. 70 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: She does have a vision board. She said that music 71 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: really fuels her vision for her stories, but they really 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: just live in her head, which I was like, that 73 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: is wild, because the way that she links things, you 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: would think that she has like an entire room with 75 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: like red string on it going in between and like 76 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: and then in book four this would have happened, but 77 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: in book two how to do this? 78 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: And she doesn't. She doesn't do that. 79 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: She did say that sometimes she writes books ahead to 80 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: link it all together, like she'll write a line her 81 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: future line and laugh to herself, knowing, oh, this will 82 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: come back, but she really doesn't plan it like super meticulously, 83 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: which I was like, wow when I thought that. 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: I also really. 85 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: Loved how she spoke about the rise of romantic fantasy 86 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: and how you know this rise has really been for 87 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: women and focusing on women's pleasure. 88 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: But how there. 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Is this dismissal of smut if you will, and she says, 90 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: when when people here, I write romantic fantasy as much 91 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: as ive spies, there is this dismissal of smut. But 92 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: that's not what my fans come up and talk to 93 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: me about. And she goes on to talk about how, 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, like everyone loves giggling and kicking their feet, 95 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: but when people come up to her, it's about how 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: these stories have moved them. It's about how they left 97 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: you know, really really negative and domestic violence situations because 98 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: they realized, you know, the relationships they were in were 99 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: not strong relationships. And that she has this inherent there 100 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: is this inherent dismissal of spice books or romancey books 101 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: or smut. 102 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: If you will. 103 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: And I thought this was a really interesting quote when 104 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: she was speaking about this, because she said, when I 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: reread books, I'm not reading things that make me depressed. 106 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: I want to go on a journey, and but it 107 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: brings me joy. There's a tendency for people to roll 108 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: their eyes at things that bring people joy and women joy, 109 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: and it pisses me off constantly. Any mention of set 110 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: apparently devalues the work. I find it a little more 111 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: than frustrating. And I was like collapse for Sarah. I 112 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: completely agree with this. This is something that I've you know, 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: said multiple times on this podcast. But the little tippit 114 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: I took out for this is fabulous. We will always 115 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: get a happy ending I fucking hate a sad ending. 116 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: I can't stand it. I don't want to be moved. 117 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, Wow, that hurt my feelings. 118 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: But I really that was so beautiful. 119 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 2: I don't care. I want a happy ending. 120 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: I want that and that brings me joy. That's all 121 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: I want. Because she mentioned how she started writing when 122 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: she was so young, and that to be able to 123 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: figure out these worlds and characters was because she was 124 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: trying to get published for so long, and she had 125 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: a lot of downtime and was always waiting. So that 126 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: brings us to Akata. So if you haven't read Akata, 127 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: skip ahead. I'm gonna put time stamps to where you 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: should skip. If you haven't haven't read things in the description, 129 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: So go to the description. If you haven't read Akata, 130 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: there will be a time stamp that will say this 131 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: time thrown of glass. Skip to that time and you 132 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: won't hear anything about Akata further. 133 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: Okay Akata. 134 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: So she said that the first two books of Akata 135 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: poured out of her. Get that real peep pop in there. 136 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: So they poured out of her in the span of 137 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: two months, which is wild. She mentioned that the first 138 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: book of Akata actually was really close to the first 139 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: draft that she wrote, but she ended up rewriting a 140 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: court of myst and fury, which I was like, Hell, 141 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: that's crazy. And she did mention that Crescent City was 142 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: a passion project that she started writing when she started 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: writing Throne of Glass in Akata, and that it started 144 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: as something that she actually had no intention of publishing 145 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: and it was just for funzies, which I was like, Oh, 146 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: there you go. So my notes are a little bit 147 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: all over the place, so we're just gonna have to 148 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: bear with me. And I've pulled in like the most 149 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: important parts of these segments, and I really appreciated there 150 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: is a siren one moment, please oh it's done. 151 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: Okay. So Fayre's pregnancy. 152 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: I loved that they didn't shy away from this because 153 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: obviously there is a lot of discourse online about Fayar's pregnancy, 154 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: and Alex Cooper asks her, you know a lot of 155 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: people were frustrated that she didn't know what was happening, 156 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: but Recan did, and at first we get context as 157 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: to why you know, Fayra is pregnant and why she 158 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: wants to write this, but she doesn't really address the 159 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: fact that recent kind of fucked up in this situation, 160 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: and I really appreciated the fact that, like Alex Cooper, 161 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: brought it back. 162 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: She was like, no, no, we want to discuss this. 163 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: So the context was that she started the answer to 164 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: this question was I love my children. I hated being pregnant, 165 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: which I was like, love the honesty because never been 166 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: pregnant myself, can't imagine it's much fun. She says, so 167 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: that it was very traumatic for her. The constant tests 168 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: and she was weight shamed by a nurse and her 169 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: son was born in an emergency C section two weeks late, 170 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: and was told not to take any pain medication. She 171 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: was also told that she needed to eat a very 172 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: big dinner by one of the medical stuff. She then 173 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: goes to the hospital and was told by a doctor 174 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: who was inducing her that started yelling at her and 175 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: was like why did you eat so much? Like that's terrible, 176 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have done that, And she's going, but your 177 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: colleague told me to do that, like that's what I 178 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: was told to do. And also this is her first child, 179 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: so she's terrified. And then she says the doctor scolded 180 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: her saying this is what we're doing and you did 181 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: everything wrong. They wouldn't let her husband go back with 182 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: her to get an epidural. 183 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: This was also her first operation. 184 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: She'd ever had, and it was only a medical Indi 185 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: that was the person to help her and hold her 186 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: hand and help her feel like things were going to 187 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: be okay. She mentions that she kept thinking of how 188 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: if I was born a hundred years ago, I would 189 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: be dead. I should be dead, and that's what lingered 190 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: that without modern science and medicine, she wouldn't be here. 191 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: And she says that writing Fayar's pregnancy was her own 192 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: way of processing, in her words, my shit. So the 193 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: fear that Reese's fear came from her fear about having 194 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: another child and the fear the trauma of all of 195 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: that that writing that storyline allowed her to get it 196 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: out of her system, which I thought was really really 197 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: interesting because so much of this interview was her actually 198 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: giving context to so many things in her books that 199 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: are actually based on her a mirror her life. So 200 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: later in the episode they go into it and Alex 201 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: Kuber brings it back up and she's like, so, Reese, 202 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: the pregnancy and essentially the trust being broken with the audience, 203 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: to which Sarah replies, Reese is entitled to go through 204 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: his own shit and make his own mistakes. Should he 205 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: have told her, yes, he made a bad choice. Farah 206 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: was upset and Nesta thought it was fucked up. She 207 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: then continues to say, I love Reese, but it's much 208 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: more interesting for me as a writer to have him 209 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: make a bad call and do it from a place 210 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: of love. He's still five hundred years old, yes, sorry, 211 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: she says, yes, he's five hundred years old, but he's 212 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: still learning. Farah would have wanted to know, but understands 213 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: why Reese didn't because he was also desperate for a solution. 214 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: They have issues, they're still. 215 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: Figuring out the dynamic. I thought this was a very 216 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: very interesting take and somewhat refreshing because she's basically saying 217 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: their story doesn't just finish. It's not just like ook done, yay, 218 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: everyone gets along. They never have an issue ever again. 219 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: To her, the story continues to exist and involve and evolve. Sorry, 220 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: and that's basically what that was, which I was like. 221 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: Wow, okay, very interesting. 222 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: So we then go into talking about the feedback about 223 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: writing this Interfara's story and whether she was nervous about 224 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: writing into the pregnancy trope if you will, to which 225 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: she says, no, like, motherhood is a thing for so 226 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: many women and experiencing that, and it was something that 227 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to write about. Fair's journey shouldn't just end. 228 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: There was a story to be told. There will be 229 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: things that play out from that. It's not weak, But 230 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: the line in that answer was when she said there 231 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: will be things that play out from that, which I'm like, 232 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: now what you mean by that, Sarah? I want to 233 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: know what's playing out from that? Are we going to 234 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: get some storyline like of an older Nicks? Like is 235 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: there more to it than that? Will we get a 236 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: time jump story that is just like the first thing that. 237 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: Popped into my brain. 238 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: Probably not, if we're being honest. She's like, I'm tired, 239 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: but that was what popped into my head. But we're 240 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: obviously going to see more about motherhood and Favor's storyline 241 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: there and maybe how that journey evolves. They also go 242 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: into everyone's favorite character, Tamlin, so they start discussing like 243 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: Reese versus Tamlin and how the story kind of started, 244 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: and she very much referenced the push and pull of 245 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: characters that she really enjoys. And she started talking about 246 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: when she first wrote Akata and how it was really 247 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: supposed to start as a very romantic beauty and the 248 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: beast retelling, and that she sometimes doesn't plan when characters 249 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: actually have that spark and that push and pull. She said, 250 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: if it turns me on, I'll write it. The characters 251 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: have to have a spark, and that's beyond me. Sometimes 252 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: characters get together and I didn't even plan it. There's 253 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: something there I can't put my finger on. And it 254 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: was essentially like, well, Tamlin was supposed to be. Was 255 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: Tamlin supposed to be? It was Tamlin supposed to be endgame, 256 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: And she says, I didn't plan Akata. I didn't plan 257 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: for Reese, and then she didn't plan for Pharaoh. 258 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: She didn't plan for Tanlin. 259 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: And then Rene walked onto the page and she goes, well, no, sorry. 260 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: When she was writing it, she realized she was writing Talin. 261 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: She goes, oh, it's not this guy. 262 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: It's this guy because Reese walked onto the page and 263 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: she thought, who the fuck is this? And she said, 264 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: it's so funny. When the first book came out, everyone 265 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: loved Tamlin, and she realized she already had that plan 266 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: from the first moment that Reese and Fera met and 267 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: people were getting tatoos, and she was like, oh my god, 268 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pay for people's tattoo removal. They 269 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: do go into the Tamlin redemption theory and she discusses, 270 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, how Tamlin has a bucked up family and 271 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the emotional toolkit to handle his trauma 272 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: from under the mountain and growing up and basically drags 273 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: Fearr under with him, whereas Reese responds to trauma in 274 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: a way Feyrh connects with, and that Tamlin is a 275 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: result of his upbringing and that Sarah pities him. She 276 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: then goes on to whether or not Tamlin deserves a 277 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: redemption arc, and I do think she responded to this 278 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: incredibly well. 279 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: She said, it's tricky. 280 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: If I were to write more about him, it would 281 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: have to be done in a way that doesn't erase 282 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: what he has done or invalidate the feelings of my readers. 283 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,479 Speaker 2: She discussed how a lot of readers. 284 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: Have found relatability in the some abusive nature that is Tanlin, 285 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: and how people have come to her and said that 286 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: how they've left abusive relationships because this book made them 287 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: realize they were in one. And for her to, you know, 288 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: write a further storyline for Tamlin would have to be 289 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: done in a way that was genuine and genuine reality 290 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: and to honor and respect what he represents to people. 291 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: So one of her best friends is actually a survivor 292 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: of domestic abuse who refers to her ex as Tamlin, 293 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: And so that's kind of what she's pulling on that 294 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: it's something that she would really want to think about, 295 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: and it's actually the hardest thing for her to think 296 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: about emotionally. And she mentioned that part of her wants 297 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: to think that fucker can burn in hell, but the 298 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: writer in me doesn't want. 299 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: To excuse it but explore it. 300 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: So she didn't confirm or deny whether or not this 301 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: is happening. My vibe was that it's not necessarily on 302 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: the cards right now. I think she wants to respect 303 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: what he represents to people. But there is also that 304 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: part on her that's like, well, where's the story? Like 305 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: how does this evolve? Does he just go and slip 306 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: into madness? Is their story there? Does he right? His 307 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: wrongs or is. 308 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: He just a product of what he is? 309 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: So I thought that was really interesting, and I just 310 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: I thought it was very very good of her to 311 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: acknowledge what he represents and his wrongdoings and not put 312 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: it in a way that it was like, oh, it 313 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: would be fun for him to be like, now he's 314 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: the villain and he comes back that you know, there's 315 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: that you know, conversation online, but that's not what it is. 316 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: It is deeper than that. Moving on to something a 317 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: little bit lighter, she is asked what is the most 318 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: romantic moment between Reese and Feyrr, to which she says 319 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: star Fall, and she says this was inspired by the 320 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: song Cosmic Love by Florence and the Machine. She then 321 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: also confirms that there what I took was three mates, 322 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: three types of mates. She's talked about two mates, and 323 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: there was kind of this other one that she introduced 324 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: in the conversation. So Alex Cooper says, what is a mate? 325 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: And Sarah responds, you're destined true love. There's a biological 326 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: component you can be mated, but also not which I was. 327 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: Like, Sarah, what was that mean? 328 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: So she started by saying, there's two types there's one, 329 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: there's true mates, and then there's two. 330 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: Nature made a mistake. 331 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: And so when she says nature made a mistake, she 332 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: used the example of Resan's parents, right, And then as 333 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: she's talking more, she said she then uses the words 334 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: perfect mates. And then she says recent Favra and Nesta 335 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: and Cassian which I've seen so many conversations about whether 336 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: or not Nesta and Cassina actually mates, which yeah, she's 337 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: basically confirmed and she's called them perfect mates. It then 338 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: goes into whether Elaine and Lucien are Lucian Lucien Lucian fuck. 339 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: I don't know, Sarey. 340 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: I didn't listen to the audiobooks, but she asked if 341 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: Elaine is rejecting the bond, and Sarah did not confirm, 342 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: nor deny, nor do. 343 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: I expect her to confirm this. 344 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, otherwise, don't put out a book. What's the 345 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: point of putting out a book if you're going to 346 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: answer that. But she did give us a little tibit 347 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: that she said, look, Elaine has her own shit she's 348 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: going through right now, and I think that's what will 349 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: be exploring in the next episode. She also confirmed Resond 350 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: is not based on her husband, which I do see 351 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: a lot of authors writing and saying that because they're like, no, 352 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm not writing about having sex with my husband, thank 353 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: you very much. 354 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: But most importantly, she confirmed. 355 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: That Akata six and seven are officially happening. When Alex 356 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: Cooper asked how long the books will be, she said, 357 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: it's long, that was her response. So we have part 358 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: one coming out this year in October. However, there are 359 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: also parts two and three which will be joined in 360 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: the same book, which is coming out in January. So 361 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: we're getting it's like a three part story, is what 362 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: I got from the amazone, a three part story. 363 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: But they are over two two books. 364 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: Part one which is one part and that's Akatar six 365 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: coming out in October, and Akaitar seven, which is part 366 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: two and three joined within the one book. 367 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: And it's Akata. 368 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: But she said she's telling it the way that it 369 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: excites her, that it's exciting to me, and I'm telling 370 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: it in a way that is most important to me 371 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: to honor my fans, and I'm not playing into industry 372 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: rules and I'm doing what feels good for me. 373 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: I love this. 374 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: I think at this stage in this all since career 375 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: sounds very lady whistled down off me, doesn't it. I 376 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: think at this stage, with how big Akata has become, 377 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense that she's like, this 378 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: is the book that I want to write, because there 379 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: are millions of fans now, and it is impossible to 380 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: write the book that every single person wants. 381 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: That just can't happen. 382 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: So I think that's really important to remember when we, 383 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, look at theories and read books that it's like, yes, 384 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: obviously we have things we want to happen, but at 385 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: the end of the day, the author is writing their book. 386 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 2: And so I loved that. I literally can't wait. 387 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to start my reread very soon. I think, 388 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: maybe not too soon because I want it to be fresh. Ah, 389 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I can't wait. So they also 390 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: go into some quick fire questions, to which she doesn't 391 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: answer a lot of them. Again, I think this is 392 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: fair enough, because if you did answer all. 393 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: Of them, there's no book. 394 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: What's the point. 395 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: It's it's spoilers, you know. 396 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: So some of the more interesting ones that I thought 397 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: to mention is how to Faye get into the House 398 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: of Wind if they don't have any wings? Do they 399 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: have to take the stairs, and she said this is 400 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: something that we might find out more on, which I 401 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay. Another question was does Reesen's last 402 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: name matter? 403 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: And she said no, which I was like what. So 404 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 2: she said what's. 405 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: Reeson's last name? And Sarah like just started laughing and 406 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: was like a haha, I'm not telling you. There's like 407 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: so much much pressure on it now. And then Alex 408 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: said doesn't matter, and she said no. 409 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: But I'm like, if it doesn't matter, then just tell us, 410 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. I don't know. 411 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: They then discussed Moore's power and she said, what's More's power? 412 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: And Sarah jamask goes it's truth and. 413 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: We're all like what does that mean? 414 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: She then did say there are other powers beyond that 415 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: and yes, we will find out. And then the other 416 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: question that I loved was where did Braxis go? And 417 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: she responded with where do you think she went? 418 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: Fear itself? Where does that go? 419 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: Which I was like, Oh, there's the rider, there's the 420 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: rider in her delk. Okay, we need to talk about 421 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: what we're listening to at the moment. Audible has just 422 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: dropped full throttle and if you love romance with a 423 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: bit of drama and tension. This one is very good. 424 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: The story for is Billy, who created this massive motorsport documentary, 425 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: and Dante, the brooding Formula one team principle. She has 426 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: a very complicated history with They haven't seen each other 427 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: in years, but now they're forced to work together while 428 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: the cameras are rolling and the whole. 429 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: World is watching. 430 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: So you've got high pressure racing career stakes and a 431 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: very unresolved second chance romance happening at the same time. 432 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: It's the perfect follow up if you love romance but 433 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: also enjoy a bit of sports drama and behind the 434 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: scenes chaos. So listen to Full Throttle now on Audible. 435 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: So those were the rapid fire questions. However, I'm now 436 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: going to get into Crescent City because that's the quickest one. 437 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: So if you haven't read Crescent City, then definitely skip 438 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: through this bit. Revert to the time stamp sheet in 439 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: the description. So Crescent City she didn't talk about that much, 440 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: to be honest, Like, Crescent City was definitely not the 441 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: focus of this episode. However, there was some very very 442 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: juicy questions about the Akata and Crescent City crossover. So 443 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: the first one that hurt my feelings, which if you've 444 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: listened to a recent episode you know why is she 445 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: asked a Bryson Hunt endgame, to which she full heartedly 446 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: responded with yes, and I was like, no, not no, 447 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: hate to Hunt, but I was banking on a different theory, 448 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: to which she absolutely shut down. And the question was 449 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: is Bryce's true mate as real? And she said no, 450 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: I can tell you one hundred percent no, and she 451 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: was like sorry to people who were banking on that 452 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: theory aka me, but yeah, they are not mates, and 453 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: I was like wow, crying. Alex Cooper then asked a 454 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: Reese and Rune related to which she said skip. And 455 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: then she also asked is made from throne of glass 456 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: related to them, to which she also didn't answer. I'm like, 457 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: why are you answering some things and not answering the 458 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: other things? And like, are the things that you're not 459 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: answering things that we can't know? And that's why, because 460 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: there's actually some meat to those theories is something. 461 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 2: That I was very very interested in hearing about. 462 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: And then last but not lea, she asked, is Cormack dead? 463 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: And again she did not respond to this, so they 464 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: really didn't discuss Crescent City that much. It was a 465 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: very very quick gloss over, I feel, but it wasn't 466 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: like I think the focus was meant to. 467 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: Be about Akatar. 468 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: That's what most people would be tuning in for, so 469 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: I do think it makes sense. However, we then do 470 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: get into Throne of Glass, my favorite book ever, and 471 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: there wasn't too much about the books, given that this 472 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: is at the moment a completed series, So they really 473 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: spoke about Sarah's relationship with Aileen, given that that was 474 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: her first published book. Like Aileen was her first girl, 475 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: and Sarah jay Mass says like Aileen came out of her, 476 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: that her journey mirrored so much of Sarah's growing up, 477 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: and that it was really a mirror journey there. Aileen 478 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: from the start came out of Sarah fully formed. She says, 479 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: she was like Athena springing from Zeus's head, and I 480 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: let her lead the way I had no control over her, 481 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: and I let her lead me where she needed to go, 482 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: her rage and her anger. 483 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: I never got to see women being angry. 484 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: And bitchy the way I often felt. I had strong 485 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: feelings about things, and I wanted to write about a 486 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: woman who didn't have to be appealing to anyone. I 487 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: didn't know anyone who met one guy and fell in love. 488 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: I wanted her to have multiple relationships. As I was 489 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: growing up, she was too, and Mannon Manon was an 490 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: even more. 491 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: Extreme version of it. 492 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 1: This was so amazing. I loved hearing this because I 493 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: think so often we see you know, fmcs and just 494 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: women in real life had this pressure to be demure 495 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: or the chill girl or the cool girl, and to 496 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: not have rage, to not be angry, to not vouch 497 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: for yourself, to not stand up for yourself. When women 498 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: do have rage, women do have anger and strong feelings. 499 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: And that is what made me love Ailen so fucking much, 500 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: Like I just that series is everything to me, and 501 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: the fact that like Manon was even just another character 502 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: that really leaned into no, like I'm angry and this 503 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: is stupid and men. 504 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: Are ruining the world. Evidently still so. 505 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: And she talks about how her mental health alongside Throne 506 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: of Glass was really really important, And in twenty eighteen 507 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: she published three books, and it was actually requested of 508 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: her to come back from Eternity leave a couple weeks 509 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: later to do copy edits of Kingdom of Ash that 510 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: was coming out. They told her that Kingdom of Ash 511 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: was too long and they needed to cut five pages 512 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: because it was getting printed in two days. She's then 513 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: like scrambling to get this done, and she was saying 514 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: she's handing back manuscripts, you know, with her breast milk 515 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: pump on like it's billed onto it and all that stuff, 516 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: only for them to come back and go, oh, no, 517 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: it's okay, we made it work, which is crazy, Like 518 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: it's these behind the scenes things you don't see, but 519 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: you do just see, you know, all of us fucking 520 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: sitting here and. 521 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: Complaining, being like when are we getting the box eraah, 522 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: and she's like, plea, he's it. 523 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: She talks about how this actually got really bad over 524 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: the years of twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen, and that 525 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: she had an overwhelming sense that something awful was going 526 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: to happen, and that in twenty nineteen, Sarah J. Mass 527 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: reached a very dark place. She said, I needed therapy, 528 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: and going a therapy saved my life. She actually also 529 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: admits and shares that the Nesta's scene where she breaks 530 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: down on a hike is actually based on the moment 531 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: that Sarah broke down on a hike in New Zealand 532 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: with her husband, and that Sarah j. Mass broke out 533 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: of her depression at the same time as Nesta did, 534 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: and that both her and Nesta went on a mental 535 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: health journey together. When she was riding a court of 536 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: silver flames moving on to the rapid fire for Throne 537 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: of Glass. This one again, we were like a little 538 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: bit like, huh, she answered, some didn't answer others again 539 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: fair enough. Number one, what did Lucan do? I love 540 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: that we asked this and she was like she was 541 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: so funny. She was just like, what do you mean, Like, 542 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, and she's like, this is maybe made 543 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: me want to think about it more, and then said 544 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: maybe bonus content as a surprise Christmas present. 545 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, I will cry, I will die. Please. 546 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: Yes. She then also asks where is Vaughan and Sarah 547 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: just says, that's the thing I think about a lot. 548 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: Alex asks is the settling the same or similar as 549 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: the drop? And Sarah skips this question. They then ask 550 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: a very very important one which has had a lot 551 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: of conversation, and it's why did Aileen have to lose 552 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: her powers? 553 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: So Sarah says that she actually grappled with this one 554 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: a lot. 555 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: This was the decision I wasn't a huge fan of, 556 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: if I'm being totally honest, And yeah, she did mention 557 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: that she hated the idea of Aileen giving up something 558 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: she learned to love and embrace about herself, but felt. 559 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: Like the series needed a level of sacrifice. 560 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't think the ending would have been as deserved 561 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: without it, and would have felt as deserved without it, 562 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: is what she says, and that it opens up the 563 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: question of what does it look like for her after that, 564 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: and it felt like the start of a different journey, which. 565 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: I was like, Sarah, are you giving me my girl back? 566 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: Can I have Aileen bag please? 567 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: That was the one thing that I was like the 568 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: most disappointed in with Crescent City three was I was like, 569 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: I deluded myself into thinking that Aileen was going to 570 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: come back and there was going to be a crossover, 571 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: and I was. 572 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: Like, where is she where? Where's where wreck? 573 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: And I got like three quarters of the way through 574 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: and she was nowhere to be seen, and I was like, well, 575 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: that is the saddest thing. 576 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: That's what happened to me in. 577 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: My entire life. 578 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: However, bah, she did say. 579 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: Well, Alex asked, will we ever see throwne of Glass 580 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: characters again? And Sarah said, I think about them all 581 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: the time. Who knows if my children let me sleep 582 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: in past five? 583 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: Sure? 584 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: And I have to say, Sarah, I will offer you 585 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: my free babysitting in nannying services. 586 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: I will. 587 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: I will help wherever you need. If you need me 588 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: to tuck your kids in at night, if you need 589 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: me to play rope blocks, I can learn. I can learn, 590 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: I can learn Fortnite, I can play what's the other one? 591 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: Well, world of No? No, fuck, what's it called? Minecraft? 592 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: I can do that. Tap me in, tap me in? 593 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: Coach please? I need thrown a glass. But then I'm 594 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: also like, oh, that's serious? Is so perfect? Do we 595 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: fuck with it? 596 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: Huh? 597 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 2: The dilemmas of life. 598 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: The last question she asked about Throne of Glass is 599 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: where is manon to which Sarah applies therapy? 600 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: And I was like love that. Oh wait, no, sorry. 601 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: The last question she does ask is what happened to 602 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: the world of Throne of Glass book? If you look 603 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: on her author page you can see there it's this 604 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: book that she was writing to which she answers. This 605 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a passion project, and I actually 606 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: realized it was a big task and I need more 607 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: time to focus on it. So she's like, I want 608 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: to get these books done first and then we can 609 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: discuss it now. My final prediction for this episode was 610 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: the announcement of a standalone series. 611 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: I'm not quite convinced we didn't get that. All right, 612 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: let me live in my own little the Lulu world. 613 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Here, Alex Cooper brings up the Twilight of the God's 614 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: Pinterest board. So Sarah often uses pinterest boards to kind 615 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: of give herself vision and mood board and do all 616 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: that stuff. And she responds that it was a story 617 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: I had in my head. She then says I have 618 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: three or four unpublished full books on my computer of 619 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: just different stories, not necessarily Twilight of the Gods. But 620 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: she says, I'm just always writing on passion projects. She says, 621 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if they will ever see the light 622 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: of day, and I was like, I would like them. 623 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: I would like them to see the light of day. 624 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: So there has been when she was really young, there 625 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: was this I feel like it was MySpace, but that's 626 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: definitely not. 627 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: But it was giving the vibe of MySpace. 628 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: And she wrote a story about Haites like Greek gods, 629 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: and she loves Greek gods. She referenced them in this 630 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: how Alien was inspired by Athena coming out of Zeus's 631 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: head fully formed, like she loves Greek mythology, and I 632 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: love Greek mythology, and I just think it would be 633 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: really nice my birthdays on the nineteenth. The vaprol s 634 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: if you could write a little Greek mythology book for me, 635 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: I would love that. That would be ten out of ten, 636 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: I would love that. 637 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 2: Be great. Maybe Pisephone and Hades retelling. I would gobble 638 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: that shit up. I would gobble it up immediately. But 639 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: that is a wrap. Those are the highlights of the 640 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 2: Sarah J. Mass And Call Her Daddy interview. Quick little edit. 641 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: She actually said there are four parts of this story 642 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: for Akata, not three, but the fourth part. 643 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: Is going to be a completely separate book that doesn't 644 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: have a date. Apologies for that, however, what a feast. 645 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 2: I feel fully fully filled and. 646 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: Eaten, feel like I've had my dinner, my breakfast, my lunch, 647 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: a little snack. 648 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 2: I think she did a really good job. I think 649 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: it was also really nice to see that she does 650 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: have this like silly, little goofy side. 651 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: She's giggling and telling stories, and it's really important to 652 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: see her, you know, as a person, because it's so easy. 653 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: To be like, give me the books. Yeah, like that's me. 654 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: I've done that. I am the gremlin going give me 655 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: the book the era. 656 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: But it was just really really fun to see Romance, 657 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: to see getting the platform that it deserves, to see 658 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: a book that is so centered around empowering women and 659 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: women's pleasure and joy having this platform and having such 660 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful community and audience that. 661 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 2: Are so passionate about it. So I hope you guys 662 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: also enjoyed this episode. 663 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be getting back into doing these more regularly. 664 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: Maybe not weekly. I would love to do weekly. 665 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: But we're going to aim for monthly or fortnightly and 666 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: slowly increase from there. 667 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be back to here. 668 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: Thanks to Audible for making this episode of book Club happen, 669 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: and don't forget to listen to Full Throttle out now 670 00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: on Audible