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Speaker 1: Frank Pangalo, Independent Upper House MP on this issue. Frank,

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Speaker 1: just an appalling incident on our public transport. We really

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Speaker 1: need guards on every train, don't we.

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Speaker 2: Well, Absolutely, transport martials are required. It's a great suggestion, Matthew.

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Speaker 2: The anti social behavior these days, particularly on public transport,

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Speaker 2: is worrying. In fact, only recently I was on a

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Speaker 2: tran speaking to a security guard. There's been a crackdown

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Speaker 2: by the department in recent months on anti social behavior

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Speaker 2: on public transport, and the security guard was telling me

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Speaker 2: about the appalling behavior that has been reported or they've witnessed.

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Speaker 2: But incredibly, they don't really have powers of arrest or detainment.

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Speaker 2: It's more of essentially being there as a visual deterrence

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Speaker 2: for them. So maybe the government needs to start looking

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Speaker 2: at also giving security guards that are used by these

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Speaker 2: departments to give them some sort of powers of citizens

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Speaker 2: arrest or detainment, because that's not enough. But it's quite

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Speaker 2: obvious that there's a big problem out there in public

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Speaker 2: transport which the government needs to come clean on. And

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Speaker 2: I'll be interested to now last for the figures about

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Speaker 2: the recent crackdown and what prompted that. And we have

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Speaker 2: to I have to look back and Matthew that there've

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Speaker 2: been some serious assaults on public transport in the past

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Speaker 2: twelve months, including one allegation of the rate as you

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Speaker 2: So things are getting a bit out of hand. And

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Speaker 2: I think it also has to go back to the

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Speaker 2: failure of the mental health policy by successive governments in

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Speaker 2: allowing people with severe mental issues to be back into

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Speaker 2: the community. There are some who shouldn't be there and

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Speaker 2: talking recently to some clinicians who are involved in mental health,

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Speaker 2: they were telling me that it is a problem, particularly

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Speaker 2: in the northern areas of Adelaide, and there are dozens

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Speaker 2: of potential Bondai stabbers out on the loose. And I'll

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Speaker 2: say potential only because there's a propensity that they don't

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Speaker 2: take their medication and they aren't observed and they need

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Speaker 2: to be monitored regularly. So you know, the government doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to be court with a situation where now this

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Speaker 2: was a shocking assault, but it could get a lot

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Speaker 2: worse and we've seen it and it is happening. So

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Speaker 2: having transport marshals is a good thing. I think also

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Speaker 2: we have to look at legislation and if the Minister

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Speaker 2: doesn't and I'm sure Tom will have a look at

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Speaker 2: it and the attorney about tackening the legislation to make

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Speaker 2: sure that these rat bags are banned from all forms

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Speaker 2: of public transports, so when they go to court, the

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Speaker 2: court has an option to be able to ban them

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Speaker 2: for a period of time all forms of public transport.

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Speaker 1: But who police is that, because a train marshal isn't

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Speaker 1: going to know necessarily. I suppose if they're doing their job,

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Speaker 1: they should be on it. But certainly if there's no

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Speaker 1: marshal at the moment, and many trains don't have anyone

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Speaker 1: apart from the train driver, he's not going to recognize

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Speaker 1: faces as he whizzers into a platform for goodness sake.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe not, but at least there'll be a deterrence

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Speaker 2: from this person from turning up or even going onto

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Speaker 2: the public transport. By doing nothing, it's not going to

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Speaker 2: change anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you do nothing, you get nothing, as someone

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Speaker 1: once told me, and that's absolutely correct, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, and Michael O'Connell was correcting what he was saying,

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Speaker 2: and also that these people are likely to reoffend. And

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Speaker 2: as for the police, you can't blame them for it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're restrained by the laws you know, and

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Speaker 2: this was probably fell into a particular category of offense

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Speaker 2: where you had to give them police bail. So is

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Speaker 2: that right?

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Speaker 1: So they couldn't even hold him over night to face court,

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Speaker 1: because if this happened on a Monday, surely he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have got police bail. He would have faced court later

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Speaker 1: in the day or the next day.

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Speaker 2: I'll ask the clarification about why they weren't able to

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Speaker 2: do it. But it's much the same as what happens

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Speaker 2: when you know, somebody's involved in a serious car accident,

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Speaker 2: for instance, and then they can be still released on

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Speaker 2: police bail. It just depends on the nature of the offending.

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Speaker 2: But I'll get clarification on that. So you know, you

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Speaker 2: can't blame the police for that. They just do what

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Speaker 2: the law tools them that they're able to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Frank, appreciate your insights. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Frank Pangelo, Upper House Independent MP here in State Parliament.