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Speaker 1: This is small Sy's All Stars Summer Breakfast. Hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: for downlighting the podcast. It's Smallsey here. I'm filling in

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Speaker 1: for Fitzie and Whipper with the All Star Summer Breakfast

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Speaker 1: show coming up. In this episode, she's just announced as

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Speaker 1: a new judge on Australian Artists. She's got one of

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Speaker 1: the most viral tracks going around at the moment, Meghan

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Speaker 1: Train is on. Let's start it. Please welcome Meghan Train.

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Speaker 2: Llow me your motha here. What's up? This is Meghan Training.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Smallzy on Nova. I'm little Badrby Baby

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Speaker 2: stay say hi?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm so fantastic. It has been.

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Speaker 1: So long, like ten twelve years. Oh it feels like it.

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Speaker 1: You know. I haven't changed a bit, but you have

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Speaker 1: had like a complete live change.

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Speaker 2: You've eached backwards and I have a baby.

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Speaker 1: Yes, both of which should I should be looking older

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Speaker 1: and you should be. You look younger than ever.

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Speaker 2: I look younger. I got to comment on my TikTok,

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Speaker 2: but I was like, it's on age and that was

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Speaker 2: the best compliment I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: Ever, how is uh? We'll start with We'll go to

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Speaker 1: get to pop star life in a second, how's mum life?

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Speaker 2: Mom life is the best? Yeah, it's great. Mom guilt

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Speaker 2: is also very real.

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Speaker 1: It is a thing, right Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like and you're like, how's mom life, I'm like, wish

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Speaker 2: I was with him?

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Speaker 1: I have uncle guilt? You do? Actually not really. I

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Speaker 1: just said that to make you feel like you weren't

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Speaker 1: alone there, I said, my niece and nephew and I

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Speaker 1: spent a couple of hours ago. That's enough. You can

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Speaker 1: have a tease. You can have him back now. Not

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Speaker 1: interested in any longer. But no, everything is good, right,

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Speaker 1: so great?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and here we are back with some brand new music.

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Speaker 1: I think twenty nineteen was the last time we spoke

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Speaker 1: about music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: What is it now, twenty twenty two? Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like we've like nothing's changed with three years has passed,

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Speaker 1: but no one's really moved forward with much. But new music,

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Speaker 1: new music is exciting our October twenty one. Taken it Back, Yep,

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Speaker 1: we've taken it back. Talk to me about it all

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Speaker 1: to the do up ness?

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Speaker 2: You know of that first album title, Yeah, I call

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Speaker 2: this one title two point zero. It's called taking it back.

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Speaker 2: As I start all my albums, with a T for

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Speaker 2: a Trainer representing my family, and I wanted to take

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Speaker 2: it back to that sound that we did on the

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Speaker 2: first album because when I started writing this, my songwriting

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Speaker 2: friend was like, yeah, I heard people want to come

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Speaker 2: in the studio and say I want that Megan Trainer sound.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, what are you talking about? The

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Speaker 2: doop and they're like yeah. I was like, that's easy,

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Speaker 2: let's do that. I do that in my sleep. And

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Speaker 2: then TikTok blew up my song title for my first album,

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Speaker 2: and so I was like, all right, the universe is speaking,

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Speaker 2: let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, does that blow you away? I mean actually,

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Speaker 1: as an artist, I don't know whether or not it may.

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Speaker 1: It makes you feel like like you've been around for

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Speaker 1: so long that like artists are now referencing your work.

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Speaker 1: I want to do that making train a sound.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But also I was like jealous. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: Should should I be making? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, it's and it's like a huge honor and it

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Speaker 2: makes me I'm like they still not who I am?

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Speaker 2: I think COVID really broke my confidence in my career

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Speaker 2: or two, Like I forgot I write it in my

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're alone myself, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: It was you know, I don't know if you can

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Speaker 1: Is like will it ever come back? Yeah? I think

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Speaker 1: going is it ever going to go back to what

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Speaker 1: I call the good old days?

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Speaker 1: Like and the good old days were like, you know,

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Speaker 1: eighteen months ago, It's like, will it ever go back?

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Speaker 2: That really messed up your mind, it does. And what's

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Speaker 2: helped a lot is TikTok Yeah. Yeah, I recommend TikTok yah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. How many hours do you you lose to the

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Speaker 1: And go scroll, yeah yeah, double tap what's on your

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Speaker 2: Mine. Mine's tough man real, it's really I shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: this way inappropriateness, right, It's like it's like funny and

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Speaker 2: then cute animals mom TikTok, and then I'll get like

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Speaker 1: Are you one of those people that sends tiktoks like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a full group chap just or that.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you're not so obnoxious with it that your friend's

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Speaker 1: just like I'm not watching another one, Megan.

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Speaker 1: first song instant grat to announce right, make it? Don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, instant grats. Man, let's explain what this is because

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Speaker 2: low key, in my heart songs I wish were singles.

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Speaker 2: So don't I make it look easy? I hope that

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Speaker 2: My heart, that's what they are. I think it's the

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Speaker 2: The main second single is made You Look, which comes

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Speaker 2: out with the album October twenty.

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Speaker 1: First nice, I was gonna ask when with a track

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Speaker 1: like don not make It Look Easy, it just lends

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Speaker 2: Two do I write for TikTok?

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, yeah, you do, like thousand percent.

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Speaker 2: I write for everything I write for it. I want

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Speaker 2: this to be relatable. Like when I wrote it, I

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Speaker 2: a relatable queen.

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Speaker 1: No I love No, you are absolutely are you? Absolutely are?

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Speaker 1: I mean to be honest with you, is that your

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Speaker 1: I'm just joking. Iv Queed, you are a relatable king.

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Speaker 1: you do strike on something there that is like everyone's

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, you know what I was going to say

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Speaker 1: mum's trip with Hillary Duffin and actually Tisdale the other week?

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Speaker 1: Is that like Mum's gone wild? What I can't even

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of us that are like on

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Speaker 2: Hillary's a workout queen. She works out so much and

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Speaker 1: Just is she that friend? Is she that friend that

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Speaker 2: No, she works her ass okay, ass all for that.

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Speaker 2: But so a lot of us are like they we

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Speaker 2: So at this retreat we went on, it was for

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Speaker 2: thing I noticed we did was drink and eat like anything. Inside.

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Speaker 2: We were like we should get chips and French fries

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Speaker 2: right like ye and then shots the biggest, fattest dinner

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Speaker 2: is good ever picture and then just kept eating it.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like fun.

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Speaker 2: We were like moaning, just eat it, like all, how

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Speaker 2: It was the best night.

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Speaker 1: Ever wild Now the greatest News. Congratulations on your foray

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've done The Voice UK, and I've done Clash

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Speaker 2: Done the Four? The four were Diddy and kahled the

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Speaker 1: So and so are you? I apologize, I'm not across

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Speaker 1: your you've seen any of that? That's okay? No? No, no?

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Speaker 2: I like that one. I'm like, the the best sie that.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep it real with you, okay.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, well, I'm rooting for all of you,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I'm like, here's what you have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Because I.

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Speaker 2: Know I was way too scared to do any competition

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Speaker 2: shows coming up like people are like you should do

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Speaker 2: try to remind them like you're already you're already a winner,

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Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. Yeah, that's greast.

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Speaker 2: I know it's terrifying.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't I don't know how much you know

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Speaker 1: don't know? I don't know. You don't know you're telling you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. All I know is I'm bringing my

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Speaker 1: How long are you going to be in Australian fool.

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Speaker 2: You're there for like a whole month, nice of October

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Speaker 1: And March live shows. Yeah, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Trying to get pregnant all at the same time. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully on the second half you'll see a Tom Tom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Ally you love you want to have two? I

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Speaker 2: I'm banking on twins at this round?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good on you. I mean does every is

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Speaker 2: We need to do this, you would think, but they're like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, because I loved your Christmas songs. I

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Speaker 2: My brother is December twenty second, so like that's my month.

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Speaker 1: Yep, my holiday. We were all taking a break just

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Speaker 1: the toilets. Toilets, That is a risky move.

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Speaker 2: Nothing says success. Yeah, like two toilets right next to

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Speaker 1: If anyone is unfamiliar, The primary bathroom at Meghan's house

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Speaker 1: has two toilets. Two toilets next to each other, side

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Speaker 1: It would be respectable, right, yeah, class any rules when

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Speaker 1: just since I found out, I've had so many questions.

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Speaker 2: But like that rule is solid and and like there's

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Speaker 2: And I was like, this can never happen.

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Speaker 1: I ever did you buy the house with two side

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Speaker 2: It was like a toilet with a bidet and I'll say,

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Speaker 2: was like what. I was like, yes, I would like

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Speaker 1: And he's like, if you're paying, i'll put it where you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And it was actually the best decision ever. Like

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Speaker 2: stop laughing like that, No shame. We're just like we're tired, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we just hold hands and we're so in love.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful. You know what everyone listening to this right

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Speaker 2: It's like, are you actually in love?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Because if that's what their love looks like and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you just don't know this level of love.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Before you Go, Made You Look. It's coming out with

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Speaker 1: Made You Look?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote it in the shower. It's another self

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Speaker 2: I hamm on Gucci own, you know. And it was

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Speaker 2: you should buy some Gucci and then tell Papa where

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's powerful. I feel like a lot of Instagram influences

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Speaker 2: Also, my therapist had me stand in the mirror for

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Speaker 2: they look good, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's also in the song of like even with nothing on,

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Speaker 1: Good on you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Mike.

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Speaker 1: That's the therapist wasn't with you.

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Speaker 2: On r and yeah it was. It was a homework.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was always homework. Yes, you sit down on

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm guessing there will always still be moments

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Speaker 2: I had a sea section, so I got the scar

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Speaker 1: Well. You know what. We love you in Australia. We

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Speaker 1: can't wait to have you there. Thank you, Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for making time with me always and forever.

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Speaker 1: I love the music, always have and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to have the record drop and for you just to

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Speaker 1: just fall in love with our country and then maybe

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Speaker 2: My brothers are like and Darryl my husband, his TikTok

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Speaker 2: for you pages like reasons why I moved to Australia,

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Speaker 2: Like what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Well, You're welcome anytime. I don't see you sooner, right,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Love you Bay, Thanks so much for listening

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Speaker 1: tomorrow on the podcast gets your Ease around This Chloe

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Speaker 1: and Courtney Kardashian again, going to be on I'll speak

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