WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 20 Feburary 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.600 Lately. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:05.080 General, welcome to the Late to Play. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.720 Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.520 Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with kayleb Bond and filling 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.440 in for Liz storer Is Lucy Zeleek. Great to have 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.480 your company. We've got a lot to get through tonight, 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:21.480 including Scott Morrison's family photo album was accidentally thrown out 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.079 bought by a Guide knopshop, but he doesn't want to 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:25.880 return it. We'll talk about whether or not he's doing 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.520 the right thing a little later. Plus, when we get 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.320 to the papers, a foreign born contract killer guilty of 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.000 two murders gets to stay in Australia because of Labour's 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:40.080 bungling of visa laws and Anthony Alberenese's two point four 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.400 billion dollar gift to his labor mate in South Australia. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.760 All of that when we look at what's making news tomorrow. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.760 But first let's talk about citizenship ceremonies, because I always 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:54.320 thought the Labor government didn't care that much about citizenship ceremonies. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.640 After all, when Anthony Albeneze came to power, one of 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.640 the first things he did was to tell local councils 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.160 you can hold your ceremonies whenever you want January twenty six, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.240 maybe not, doesn't matter. You do what you like, how 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.640 you like. But all of a sudden, thanks to poor 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.759 polling and an election about to be called, citizenship ceremonies 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:20.679 have become very, very important to the Albanezi government. Forget 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.679 local councils, Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, he will be 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.759 holding them himself and he will hold them now. It's 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.559 just come to light that in Western Sydney Tony Burke 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.920 will be personally hosting three days of citizenship ceremonies where 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.759 he will give out certificates to six thousand brand new 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:45.399 Australians at Olympic Park. I'm starting to wonder whether on 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.760 the back of those certificates there will be a how 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.080 to vote card signed with love from your friends in 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.600 the Labor Party. I'm not sure that's the case, but 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.000 you wouldn't put it past them. Peter Dutton, speaking today, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.480 says this thinks to high Heaven. Clearly they're trying to 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:01.640 stack the electorate. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:08.320 I just question whether there has been any slackening of 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.120 the process, whether there has been any compromise on the 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.519 security checks, and whether it's in our country's best interests 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.120 for people to receive citizenship before the proper security checks 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.040 have been undertaken, or people have had within the Home 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.160 Affairs Department the time to be able to conduct the 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.720 searches that we would expect to be conducted. 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.440 Yeah, I think the Opposition leader's got a point. I 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.920 don't know if it's in Australia's interest to push these 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:41.680 citizenship ceremonies through, but it's probably in Labour's interest, especially 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.280 in Western Sydney where the Muslim Votes organization is threatening 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.720 labor seats. And that's before we talk about the Greens. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.560 You've got to be four years in Australia before you're 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.520 eligible for citizenship. But just the other day we're talking 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.800 about the fact that fully one third of people sitting 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:03.800 Australian citizenship tests fail the test. As we've seen recently, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.760 a person who arrived in this country age twelve, now 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:12.320 in his early twenties was responsible for threatening Jewish patients 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.600 that they could be killed at a hospital in Western Sydney, 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.720 and Bromwin Bishop made the point on this channel earlier 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.079 in the week that maybe we ought to wait a 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:26.360 little longer before we give out citizenship status to new arrivals, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.240 just to make sure, because there's a difference between being 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:34.280 a citizen and being Australian. Caleb, this really does stink. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.360 There's no reason for them to rush this through other 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.720 than as I said, they're looking not to stack branches 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:42.120 but to stack the electorate. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.720 Well, there is one good thing about this, and bear 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.320 with me for a minute. Tony Burke has done us 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:51.240 a favor here because he has demonstrated to state governments 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.640 that you can actually take powers away from councils if 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.440 only they take that more seriously and not just do 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.240 it relaionship ceremonies. He said, I want it, I'm going 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.440 to do it. Why go the state government do that 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.240 the councils all the time? The world would be a 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.760 much better place. But the fact that it's happening, specifically 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.080 in Western Sydney, I think is what really makes this stinking. Okay, 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.760 we've got an election coming up, we want to get 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.599 people through. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:18.360 Before that date. 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.200 And you might well say, okay, people have been hanging 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.159 around waiting a long time for their citizenship and they 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.080 probably like to vote in the coming election because they 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.120 filled out the forms and they passed the test and 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.719 so they probably deserve it, and that's all fine. But 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.680 when you specifically say we're going to take all these 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.599 councils in Western Sydney where we're worried about our votes 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.160 and where the polling shows we're currently in a bit 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.760 of trouble and we're going to move twelve thousand of 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.480 you through right now, just before we call the election, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:48.000 you might just. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.760 Think there was something fishy about it, wouldn't you. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.600 I mean, mister Burke, he's not Tony Burke, he's Tony Biden. 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.799 He's doing what he's doing what the Dems were doing 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.000 before the presidential election. There were states like Texas were 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.600 trying to clean up their elector roles and the Biden 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.919 administration took them to court to prevent them from taking 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:09.920 a legal migrant. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.279 To be fair, Tony Birk's dealing with people who are alive. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.080 That's right, that's right. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.119 But clearly he's taken a page out of the Biden 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.680 and nomics. But playaboo key because he's clearly recognized that 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.400 right now we need to really pay attention to the 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.920 labor heartland here in the West of Sydney and ensure 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.200 that we have a stranglehold when it comes to the 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.680 election in these particular votes. But why do you think 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.479 that all those illegal immigrants were flooding the boarders over 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.560 there in the US because they knew that this was 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.400 going to be away for them, particularly with just how 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.760 poor their system is over there and that you don't 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.880 have to officially register or show any type of documentation 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.280 pre Trump. Now, of course it's been one of the 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.040 biggest talking points for him, But now this is something 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.719 that stinks so badly that for me, even if you 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.280 are a labor voter, this is something that frustrates me 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.960 so much about people in politics right and those of 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.000 us who look at this, whether you have voted Liberal 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.360 or Labor your whole lives, to really remove yourself from 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.800 this attachment to the party that you have potentially been 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.119 rusted on too and voted for all of these years, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.080 and look at their behaviors, look at their policies. Is 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.960 this something that you'd be proud of? Is this something 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.880 that you look at and go, oh, this doesn't look 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.800 dodgy at all. It's just trying to wave through all 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.640 these people so that he can get them to vote 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.920 for the Labor Party in this year being a federal election. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.440 It's just yuck. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.240 And if you're not grossed. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.880 Out by this in politics, and if these are your 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.960 politicians and people you're historically voting for, then this is 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.120 the time now to get on the yuck train, because 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.360 it's ended straight for hell. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.120 As far as I'm concerned. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.200 It's not like Peter Dutton has nothing sorry, Tony Burke 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.480 has nothing to do. He's the Immigration minister, he's the 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.720 Home Affairs minister. God knows we've got enough problems in 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.840 those areas at the moment. So for a senior government 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.200 minister to the vote not one, not two, but three 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.279 days to hang out at Olympic Park shaking hands of 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.760 new voters citizens certainly shows where his priorities are right now. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.560 They're not the national interest becoming. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.640 Election indeed, and of course it's a great opportunity for 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:08.000 him to get himself in front of two thousand potential voters, right. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.400 And that's also why because the councilors and our. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.400 Spitting chips and saying, oh, well, we've had the right 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.120 taken away from us to host these ceremonies that we 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.280 were going to do, and the mayors are equally upset 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.360 that they don't get to put their faces in front 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.800 of these people because it's an opportunity to press the flesh. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.360 But that's exactly how Burke will be treading it. This 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.760 is an opportunity to get twelve thousand potential voters to 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.400 look him in the eye and shake his hand. And 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.480 the power that kind of thing when you are canvassing 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.720 for votes is so important by. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:37.480 The way he wants to do it. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.560 If you had the national interest at heart and you 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.520 want to help these people become Australians, and you do 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.080 the right thing, and you have your coalition equivalent on 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.680 stage with you, and you shake hands together, and you 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.520 do it as a sign of unity. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.440 That's their agender. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.000 That's not help Peon who thought about the country right 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:57.840 than himselves. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.120 No, dude was coming in like the White Knight on 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:01.840 the second. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.400 I am I'm the reason count dreams. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.720 He's so idealist, James sometimes so idealistic. 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.480 Will slowly keep me out of you. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.840 I thought you started your career as a journalist, right, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:15.840 you should. 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:20.160 Be cynical like me. No, No, it was somehow, somehow 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.160 he missed that little bit of training when he has. 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.120 Got to be cheople in this country. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.320 While we're talking about the alban Easy government, let's talk 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.960 about their social media band Because the e Safety Commissioner 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.680 that E. Karen as she is, who keeps an eye 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.959 on what we're doing online and then makes recommendations about 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.360 how our rights and freedoms should be taken away from us, 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.480 has done a survey of how many children are actually 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.760 using social media right now and how many of them 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.920 are avoiding the age restrictions that are already in place, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.040 and would you believe it, it's a hell of a 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.880 lot of them. According to a new Safety sorry Commission report, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.800 about eighty percent of kids aged eight to twelve, or 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.520 one point three million children, accessed one or more social 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.600 media services last year in breach of existing limits of 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.079 thirteen years old on most platforms. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.080 Who would a thunk it? Kids quite inventive, know how 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.080 to get around. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:24.240 Things limits rules. Who cares about them? We'll just go 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.320 on it anyway. But the government says this is all 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.320 the more reason we need to bring in our rules 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.320 to ban kids from using social media. The Communications Minister, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.800 Michelle Roland says adding the new age limit restrictions would 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.560 help parents navigate these challenges with their kids. Parents can 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.560 feel empowered to have conversations with their children about having 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.320 social media accounts and. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.240 Simply say no, it's not allowed. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.600 Now, look, Michelle, I will admit I haven't looked into 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.200 your family status. I don't know whether you. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:57.680 Have any children. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:58.480 You have children. 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.400 There you go, James' into it. He knows she has 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.120 two children. At least, you know. He might be idealistic, 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.040 but he has done some research that I failed to 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.560 do before the show. Thank you for that. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:08.560 She's got two. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:13.160 Children, so surely she would know that simply saying to kids, know, 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.520 it's not allowed doesn't always work. And also saying the kids, actually, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.440 it's illegal doesn't always work because rules are already in 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.360 place that say they shouldn't be using social media. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.240 But somehow they're going to waive the magic government long. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.360 Can I tell them you're going to be fixed? 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:31.800 Can I tell you what I found to be the 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.119 most hysterical about. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:33.240 All of this? 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.440 And I love this the quote that came out of it. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:40.640 A handful of platforms are increasingly adopting proactive tools to 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.000 identify underage users, such as. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.920 Analysis of vocabulary, emoji. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.960 Use, location patterns indicating school attendance, and time spent playing 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.600 online games or watching cartoons popular among children. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.840 That's me and my husband like color. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.240 Seriously, I'm watching cartoons. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:01.360 With my kids. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.600 I mean, some of my emoji use has been pretty 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.439 done embarrassing as well, left, right and center, almost an 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:11.720 overuse of emojis. But if that these are your proactive tools, 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.520 these are your spidey senses, tingling that perhaps this user 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.120 may be underage. If that's all you've got, that's pretty absurd, right. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:19.800 It's ridiculous. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.439 And I think was it Barry Goldwater, the late Republican 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.360 senator who said, and I love this quote, government should. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.840 Stay the hell out of people's business. I'm a parent, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.320 Let me parent my children. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.280 And when it comes to it, if they want social media, 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.840 guess what not in my house, sweetheart. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.720 And these are my rules, and for as long as 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.440 you live under this roof, you will abide by them. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:43.839 So that's what we need to be doing. 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.000 We need to be empowering parents with the tools and 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.199 encouraging them. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:49.480 To actually parent. 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.520 Hello, it's a novel idea out there Australia, but you 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:53.160 can do it. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.760 And my big mister Elbow said you shouldn't go on 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.760 the social media. So that's the end of it isn't it. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.320 Very elbow tells you that's. 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.880 A funny thing. Right, So Michelle Rowlands imagines that, you know, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:03.679 it's pretty hard to get your kids to do what 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.719 you want because they don't respect you. But if you 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.880 tell them the E Safety Commissioner, she says you're not 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.280 allowed to be on a social media account, suddenly you're 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.360 thirteen fourteen year old daughters. Oh oh well, if the 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.120 commission says, then I won't touch it. The problem they 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.240 have is that this same review by the E Safety 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.000 Commission found that of all of these kids on social 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.120 media who ought not to have been, fifty four percent 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.760 of them, you know how they access social media accounts 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.280 through their parents' account. This is a parenting issue, and 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.679 so educate parents on the dangers, educate parents on some 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.280 things that they could do, but leave the role to 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.920 mums and dads, because trying to police it is never 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.640 going to work. The only way they can do it, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.240 and they've already canvassed it, is to impinge upon everybody's freedom. Yes, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.040 give the job to mums and dads. Do that. My 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.280 kids didn't get a smartphone until they were thirteen years old. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.240 Even now, I think that was probably still too young, 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.720 but they were old compared to all of their friends 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.280 who had had them, and they winged and whined and 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.920 said it's not fair. But they did that about ice creams, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.240 they did that about bedtime, kids do that about everything. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.640 Parent your kids. You're not their friend, you're not their mate, 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.480 You're their parent. Be a parent, and the government should 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.200 be helping people to recognize that, rather than taking responsibility 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.600 off them and treating parents like, oh, we know you 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.520 can't discipline your children, let us help you do it. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:30.040 Just here here, let's talk about the anti Semitism summit 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.840 that was held today, and I have to say, as 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.720 Sky News staff, it makes you incredibly proud to work 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.400 for a network that stages something like this that is 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.800 so important at this time in our nation's history. Was 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.600 organized by Shari Marson and Alex Rivchen. Both of them 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.719 did an outstanding job with some brilliant guests. We'll talk 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.360 about some of the highlights and low lights in just 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.000 a moment, but have listened to Shary Marx and our 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.120 Sky News colleague. She introduced the summit. Here's some of 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.319 what she had to say. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:05.520 The idea that we be confronting violent extremism driven by 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:10.920 an irrational hatred would have once seemed unthinkable and absurd, 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.720 and it is absurd. We are here today because we 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.640 will not accept this as our new reality. We won't 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.800 tolerate feeble action any longer. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.680 Sherry markson like ninety nine percent of the speakers spoke 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:36.400 with heart, spoke with passion, spoke with conviction, and gave 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.680 the subject the Duke gravitus that it deserves. Have listened 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.320 to former Prime Minister John Howard. He was talking about 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.000 the fact that anti Semitism is such a specific form 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.080 of bigotry, you've got to call it out specifically. None 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.480 of this generalization that we've been accustomed to over the 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:54.680 past fifteen months. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.520 This is not something that can be allowed to just 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.960 fester in the belief it will go away, And it 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:10.360 was not something that could be dealt with by general 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:17.800 denunciations of discrimination. The atrocity of the seventh of October 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.160 twenty twenty three saw the largest number of Jewish people's 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:23.520 slaughters in the Holocaust. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.840 That's the fact. I was sitting at the synagogue today 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.600 listening at the summit, and John Howard got up to speak, 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.440 and you thought a leader, a leader we haven't seen 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:38.560 a leader for so long in this country. Then our 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.960 Attorney General got up, who's supposed to be a leader, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.720 and he began, well, you know how he'll begin. 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.720 I begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.120 on which we meet, and pay my respects to their 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.480 illness past and present. I extend that respect to all 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.440 Aboriginal and torrest right island to people here today. I 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:06.640 acknowledge the many distinguished people participating in today's Sky News 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.160 Anti Semitism summit. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.680 When the most senior labor figure, in fact, I think 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.800 the only federal labor figure at the summit, got up 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.280 to speak. He's the most senior lawmaker in this country, 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.840 and God knows we've got some problems with the laws 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.560 in this country. When he gets up and he begins 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.200 with I want to acknowledge, etc. So that you could 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:30.600 hear the audible groans, everybody thought, here we go, and 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:31.760 they weren't wrong. 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.760 The Australian Government stands with Jewish Australians in the fight 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:45.440 against anti Semitism whenever and wherever it occurs. The Australian 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:50.600 Government has expressly condemned words and acts of hate directed 0:16:50.720 --> 0:17:03.600 at Jewish people. The Albanezy government has not just talked 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.920 about anti semitism. We have acted and we will keep acting. 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.359 Let's start with some credit for the Attorney General. He 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.440 did turn up to what I suppose he probably knew 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.520 would be a hostile audience. So points for being there, 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.040 I guess that's something. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.600 Why are you giving him points for that? 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.359 Because I'm trying to be generous. But I'll get to 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.240 my criticism now. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.200 No, I don't think he need to be though. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.640 Well, you know, you're right, he probably he is doing 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:34.120 his job. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.120 He needs to front up, he needs to be. They're 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.400 not giving him points for doing the bare minimum. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.560 James, Yeah, fair cop, fair call. Well, you know, I 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.640 don't know at what point in his speech he decided 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.720 he shouldn't have been there, but fairly early on it 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.959 looked like he just decided, you know what, I'm going 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.400 to read this speech, get through it and get out 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.919 of here as fast as I can. Because for all 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.359 intents and purposes, he could have been reading from the 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.800 phone book. He had that little passion, that little concern 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.280 would probably if. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.800 He'd read from the phone book, because you would have 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.159 been able to call them up and probably get a 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.159 little more sense out of them him. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.520 And even when he was doing. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:11.879 The acknowledgment of country, he had like a smirk on 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.160 his face as the crowd sort of jeered him a bit, 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:16.879 almost like he wanted it. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.199 He was like, oh, yes, good, I knew this was 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:19.760 going to happen. 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.120 It proves all the points I came here to make 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.320 that they don't really want to hear from me. But 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.280 can you blame the audience for jeering him in the 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.960 way they did when they have a bloke and you know, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.399 I know he's kind of the whipping boy that the 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.080 Labor Party puts up because he's a Jewish man himself. 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.080 So well, we'll send you off to the summit. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:39.679 You can go and talk to the Jews. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.480 Right, So he rocks up and all these people are 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.840 incensed as well they should be that the federal government 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:50.199 has done very little about anti Semitism for fifteen months 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.399 that Albaneze danced around at more flip flops than Bondai Beach. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.200 He was over here, he's over there. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.280 Oh yes, it's a problem, but Islamophobia is a problem 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.679 as well. And oh, you know, I'll eventually go and 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.240 visit the synagogue after it's been five bombed, it took 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.280 me a week to do it, et cetera. Right, he 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.720 has just had no moral clarity whatsoever on any of this, 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.320 and he rocks up and he almost indignant that people 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.439 gendered him what did you expect was going to happen? 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.560 And after he was invited? Right, this is an event 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.560 held by sky News. He is an invited guest of 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:29.560 Charry Marksen and Alex Rivchen and sky News. And he 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.560 has the goal towards the end of his speech to say, oh, 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.280 the issue of anti Semitism should not be weaponized to 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:38.880 get television ratings. 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:43.720 Take a look, anti Semitism cannot and must not be 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.199 weaponized in the pursuit of votes. It must not be 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:51.120 weaponized in the pursuit of newspaper sales or TV ratings either. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:53.840 Now what did he mean by that? 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.639 What do you mean it should not be weaponized in 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:01.240 the pursuit of newspaper sales and television ratings. If it 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.320 wasn't happening, we wouldn't be talking about it. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:05.720 I mean, well, what did he think? 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.400 We just had the anti Semitism summit because we thought 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.160 it had do okay on the ratings. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.239 Well, we do okay on the ratings as it is. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.800 How about we actually want to talk about the issues 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:15.840 that face this nation. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.159 That's not the rating, but that's the reality to do it. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.040 This is a problem because when you start to have 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.520 the discussion with these politicians and put it to them, 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:26.000