WEBVTT - ‘A big red flag’: Labor accused of pork-barrelling

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>The Albanese government has been accused of pork barreling after

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<v Speaker 1>an analysis found almost ninety percent of seats that were

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<v Speaker 1>held or won by Labor at the last election had

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<v Speaker 1>received grants totaling one point three five billion dollars. Labour

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<v Speaker 1>has defended the grants, saying they were campaign commitments that

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<v Speaker 1>had to be met. Today Independent MP Helen Haynes on

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<v Speaker 1>pork barreling by the major parties and how as we

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<v Speaker 1>head to another election the Albanese government rates on accountability

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<v Speaker 1>and integrity. It's Wednesday, November thirteen. Goodelling, Helen, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for coming on seven am.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Ruby, great to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've done some analysis looking into the way the

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<v Speaker 1>Infrastructure Department has spent some grant funds since the last election.

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<v Speaker 1>To begin with, could you tell me a bit about

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<v Speaker 1>why this is something that you wanted to look into.

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<v Speaker 1>Where it began for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when I was elected to parliament in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 3>a large part of my platform was around improving transparency

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<v Speaker 3>and accountability in government, improving integrity and really sticking up

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<v Speaker 3>for rural.

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<v Speaker 2>And regional Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>So for me, I'm always very conscious about where taxpayer

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<v Speaker 3>dollars is being spent.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course during the.

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<v Speaker 3>Previous parliament we saw some significant pork barreling that was

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<v Speaker 3>identified car park.

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<v Speaker 2>Roots, sports ruts and the like.

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<v Speaker 4>The Morrison government has been accused of pork barreling on

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<v Speaker 4>a grand scale after it was field, almost two billion

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<v Speaker 4>dollars in taxpayer funded grants was pushed into coalition electorates.

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<v Speaker 5>Cabinet Minister Bridget mackenzie approved a thirty six thousand dollar

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<v Speaker 5>taxpayer funded grant for a clay target shooting club in

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<v Speaker 5>regional Victoria without publicly disclosing she was a member.

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<v Speaker 6>It stinks more than a bucket of prawn heads that

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<v Speaker 6>you left out on a hot day light today.

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<v Speaker 3>So being an independent I am alive to this happening,

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<v Speaker 3>irrespective of who's in government. So I had to look

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<v Speaker 3>at what the Labor government promised during the election campaign

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty two and followed the trail of where

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<v Speaker 3>some of that election promise money went and so what

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<v Speaker 3>did you discover? So I had a close look at

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<v Speaker 3>two grant programs that went to sporting clubs various organizations

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<v Speaker 3>to do things like improved swimming pools, build grand stands

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<v Speaker 3>at show grounds, things like that. And these two programs

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<v Speaker 3>are called the Investing in Our Community's Program and the

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<v Speaker 3>second one is Priority Community Infrastructure Program. Now, the total

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<v Speaker 3>amount of money that was in the budget for these

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<v Speaker 3>programs amounts to one point three five billion dollars. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of money. And these two programs closed non competitive,

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<v Speaker 3>invitation only and they were set up with the express

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<v Speaker 3>purpose to deliver on promises made during an election campaign

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<v Speaker 3>when Labor were in opposition. I found that almost ninety

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<v Speaker 3>percent of seats that Labor won or held at the

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<v Speaker 3>election and received a grant through these two invitation only,

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<v Speaker 3>non competitive grant programs.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, to me, that was a great big red flag

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<v Speaker 2>around a.

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<v Speaker 1>Pork barrel, right okay. And so you took these concerns

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<v Speaker 1>to the Infrastructure Minister, to Catherine King. Can you tell

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<v Speaker 1>me about that?

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<v Speaker 3>So I went to her and said, I have a

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<v Speaker 3>real concern about these two programs. And in contrast to

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<v Speaker 3>the one point three five billion dollars for the non

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<v Speaker 3>competitive grants for these election promises, we had less money

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<v Speaker 3>allocated across rule and regional Australia for competitive grant programs.

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<v Speaker 3>I take the view that the New South Wales IKAC

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<v Speaker 3>made that when public funds and resources are targeted to

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<v Speaker 3>electors for partisan purposes, that's pork barreling.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>What did she say back to you about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the Minister and I have a fundamental disagreement about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think all major party senior people believe that it

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<v Speaker 3>is absolutely reasonable and fine, and this is just the

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<v Speaker 3>way business is done during election campaign that oppositions and

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<v Speaker 3>governments go out and make promises. So the Minister and

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<v Speaker 3>I have a different view of this. So that's how

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<v Speaker 3>the meeting went. And I then let the Minister know,

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<v Speaker 3>given that there was no other explanation than that these

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<v Speaker 3>were promises made during election campaign, that I would be

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<v Speaker 3>referring these two programs to.

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<v Speaker 2>The Order to General.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ultimately up to the Order to General to decide

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<v Speaker 3>whether there is time in their work schedule to take

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<v Speaker 3>a look at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and this issue, the issue of how grant money

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<v Speaker 1>is allocated and whether it's done so in a fair way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not you, So can you tell me about how

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<v Speaker 1>you've witnessed this in your own electorate over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>as major parties have attempted to try and win it back.

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<v Speaker 3>When I ran in twenty nineteen, there was Prime ministerial visits.

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<v Speaker 2>There were promises of all sorts of.

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<v Speaker 3>Infrastructure, and one was on our major highway, was to

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<v Speaker 3>create an overpass in a difficult intersection. The McCoy Street

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<v Speaker 3>intersection has long been described as a death trap.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty trucks a day go through the intersection.

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<v Speaker 3>David Byrne has witnessed several near misses. There was significant

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<v Speaker 3>federal funds promised by the then Morrison government and ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>that project didn't continue During the subsequent government. I kept

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<v Speaker 3>pushing for that money to be delivered, but it couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be delivered because the planning wasn't done, there wasn't the

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<v Speaker 3>matching funds from the state government, and ultimately, when the

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<v Speaker 3>Albanezy government formed in twenty twenty two, that particular project

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<v Speaker 3>under Minister King's audit was found to not be able

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<v Speaker 3>to be fulfilled.

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<v Speaker 7>The notoriously dangerous intersection is one of fifty projects on

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<v Speaker 7>the chopping block.

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<v Speaker 6>The council already slammed by truckies and politicians alike.

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<v Speaker 3>And there were many projects not just in my Electric

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<v Speaker 3>but across Australia that fell into that category. So when

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<v Speaker 3>projects are promised without complete and careful planning, they often

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<v Speaker 3>delayed or fall over or have insufficient funds.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, ultimately, communities don't always win from this.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, you know there are plenty of examples where

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately they lose from this. I think it's a really

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<v Speaker 3>a grgeous practice and I don't think it should continue,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll continue to call it out until such a

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<v Speaker 3>time that we can stab it out. But I know

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<v Speaker 3>that that's not a view held by the major parties

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<v Speaker 3>ruby that's a view held by integrity experts such as

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<v Speaker 3>the Center for Public Integrity, Accountability Roundtable and indeed New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales IYKAC. So that's where we are right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course we're coming into election season again and

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<v Speaker 3>it can be jolly sure that this will continue.

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<v Speaker 2>To happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break the alb and Easy Government's

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<v Speaker 1>looming integrity test helen. Integrity in government was a big

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<v Speaker 1>issue in the last election. A lack of integrity was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons that the coalition ultimately lost power.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you think that this government, the Albanese

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<v Speaker 1>government is going to be judged on that metric as

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<v Speaker 1>people come out to vote again.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, you're absolutely right, you know, four points to

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<v Speaker 3>the Albanesi government in the Nationality Corruption Commission being created. However,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that this government gives less points from me.

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<v Speaker 3>They have not fulfilled their promises around robusts whistleblower reform

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<v Speaker 3>and I have very deep concerns about that. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>we have mister Richard Boyle, who is you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>case exemplar of the failures and weaknesses of our whistle

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<v Speaker 3>blowing laws.

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<v Speaker 6>Today, former public servant Richard Boyle will face court in

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<v Speaker 6>South Australia accused of doing just that, blowing the whistle

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<v Speaker 6>on dodgy tax practice. Is that these former employer the

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<v Speaker 6>Australian Tax Office. He'll be represented in court by Kieran Hinder.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we've seen the impact of lobbyists and that's

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<v Speaker 3>been playing out through the various concerns around QUANTUS in

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<v Speaker 3>the past few weeks, in particular where we have almost

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<v Speaker 3>unfettered lobbying happening across the Parliament. We don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>happens behind ministerial doors when lobbyists are there. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>have open and transparent ministerial.

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<v Speaker 2>Diaries, for example.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think perhaps the third element is also the

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<v Speaker 3>jobs for mates, work that Sophis Komp's member for MPELLA

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<v Speaker 3>has been undertaking.

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<v Speaker 2>We cannot be confident that.

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<v Speaker 3>Appointments to statutory boards and the likes are completely merit

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<v Speaker 3>based and not influenced by political favors.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned the National Anti Corruption Commission that the

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<v Speaker 1>Aberenezi government has put in place. You campaigned for its

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<v Speaker 1>creation for many years. So the knack that we now have,

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<v Speaker 1>how does it compare to what you had hoped to

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<v Speaker 1>see established?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Ruby, you're right, we finally achieved passing that legislation gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>about twenty months ago now, and to Labor Party's credit

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<v Speaker 3>when they formed government under mister Albanesi, that was very

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<v Speaker 3>high order of business and I was very happy to

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<v Speaker 3>engage fulsomely in that process. I wanted some stronger transparency

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<v Speaker 3>elements in that legislation than was ultimately achieved. But I

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<v Speaker 3>certainly celebrated, as did many others, when we were able

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<v Speaker 3>to stand up the very first federal Anti corruption Commission.

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<v Speaker 2>So how's it gone?

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<v Speaker 7>Since the National Anti Corruption Commission has ruled out further

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<v Speaker 7>investigation into the public officials behind the disastrous robodebt scheme

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<v Speaker 7>that saw hundreds of thousands of Australian families hounded for

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<v Speaker 7>debts they didn't owe.

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<v Speaker 2>Question.

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<v Speaker 3>The Australian public very very disappointed about that and exercised

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<v Speaker 3>their rights under the legislation to complain to the Inspector

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<v Speaker 3>of the NAK.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong legislative authorities of the Inspector have played out in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that is I think appropriate.

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<v Speaker 8>Anti Corruption Commission says it will review its decision not

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<v Speaker 8>to launch an investigation into the robodet scandal. A review

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<v Speaker 8>of that decision has been released, claiming the watchdog's commissioner

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<v Speaker 8>didn't properly deal with a perceived conflict of interest.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a finding of misconduct, which subsequently has now

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<v Speaker 3>led to an eminent person being appointed to reinvestigate whether

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<v Speaker 3>Robota debt should be investigated by the KNACK.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everything that you've outlined, to what extent do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that they point to some fundamental problems? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that there needs to be some sort of overhauls,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of reform of the KNACK at this point?

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<v Speaker 3>I think what this points to is a rocky start

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<v Speaker 3>to the KNACK. I certainly wish that we hadn't had

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<v Speaker 3>a finding of this type by the inspector so early

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<v Speaker 3>on in the standing up of the KNACK. But I

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<v Speaker 3>feel confident that the role of the inspector, the way

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<v Speaker 3>the legislation is working, has demonstrated that the legislation is

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<v Speaker 3>strong and that an inspector without fear or favor can

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<v Speaker 3>come in and say, look, there's a problem here and

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<v Speaker 3>it needs to be fixed. So I think that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think the KNACK needs an overhaul, not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we now need to let this process player.

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<v Speaker 3>The inspector's report has been tabled, there is an eminent

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<v Speaker 3>person now delegated to relook at the decision on Robodette,

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<v Speaker 3>And in fact, we have a public hearing the Oversight

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<v Speaker 3>Committee of which I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy chair Ruby.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a public hearing ourselves with the KNACK on

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty second of November, and we will be examining

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<v Speaker 3>the first year and so there'll be opportunities to ask

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<v Speaker 3>questions and I'll certainly be doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Helen, thank you so much for your time today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a pleasure, Ruping. Thanks for the opportunity for

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<v Speaker 2>a chat.

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<v Speaker 1>In a statement, to the Saturday paper, a spokesperson for

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<v Speaker 1>Minister King said that all projects underwent a rigorous merit

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<v Speaker 1>assessment to confirm eligibility under the program guidelines and to

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<v Speaker 1>determine value for taxpayers money. Any projects that did not

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<v Speaker 1>satisfy these requirements were not approved for funding. Also in

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<v Speaker 1>the news today, the federal government has earmarked up to

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<v Speaker 1>eighty million dollars for the regional airline REX, which went

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<v Speaker 1>into voluntary administration in July. The government says the funding

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<v Speaker 1>will keep critical regional routes running, as well as pay

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<v Speaker 1>entitlements for rex's former employees and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnia,

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<v Speaker 1>who's office has confirmed the Prime Minister approved page or

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<v Speaker 1>attacks against hes bolar in Lebanon. In September, thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>pages used by hes boler members simultaneously exploded in Beirut

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<v Speaker 1>and other areas, killing at least twelve and injuring one

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<v Speaker 1>thousands more. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am. See

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow