Speaker 1: I get our team. Welcome to another installment the show.
Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook, Bi Anka, Jane and Mary Veronica Chatfield.
Speaker 1: We'll start with Cook, who's still just clinging to the
Speaker 1: remnants of India. Just I just detected a little chink
Speaker 1: in the nirvana, the kind of the glow. But it's
Speaker 1: because she's been for an early morning motorbike ride and
Speaker 1: she's freezing.
Speaker 2: And Altip wouldn't have done that, would she Oltif wouldn't
Speaker 2: have got up and started the day with a bit
Speaker 2: of I don't know, exciting like.
Speaker 1: That, no early morning meditation out on I read somebody,
Speaker 1: you know when you your algorithm sends you shit. This
Speaker 1: My algorithm sent me I get the intersection of bodybuilding
Speaker 1: and motorbikes and philosophy and spirituality, and I ended up
Speaker 1: with this thing on by the way high Chatters, Good morning, Hi.
Speaker 3: How are you keep going? I'm interested you well.
Speaker 1: It sent me this video of this professor to talking
Speaker 1: about the physiological, emotional, and psychological and spiritual benefits of
Speaker 1: motorbike riding, all these great things that does for you,
Speaker 1: And I thought, do you know what? While I personally
Speaker 1: I love this, but I can tell you with absolute
Speaker 1: certainty that for some people being on a motorbike produces
Speaker 1: the opposite effect. I think it depends not on the motorbike,
Speaker 1: but one's relationship with motorbike riding. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: on a bike? Chatters?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been on with you.
Speaker 4: That's the only time I reckon I've been on one?
Speaker 4: Was that years ago?
Speaker 1: Was that fucking terrifying? Or how was it?
Speaker 3: I just remember you were very safety conscious. You were
Speaker 3: Are you sure all the gear was on?
Speaker 4: And You're like, you want to hang on and don't
Speaker 4: do this and don't do that, and I'm like, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I think at the time I was. I was
Speaker 1: riding with the captain of the Melbourne Vixens and an
Speaker 1: Australian netball team member, so I probably I thought I've
Speaker 1: got a reasonably valuable commodity. That's what you are, a
Speaker 1: commodity on board or I don't know, human on board,
Speaker 1: and so I was probably a little bit more conscientious
Speaker 1: than normal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, motorbike riding is not really my thing,
Speaker 4: but I'm happy to have a go. It was all right,
Speaker 4: It's certainly not in my algorithm, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Tip, what's going on? Over there. You look like you've
Speaker 1: got a cat doing catastrophic things.
Speaker 2: Ah, because I didn't shut the cupboard door. Probably want
Speaker 2: to put my motorbike jack away. And now guess who's
Speaker 2: jumping all over the clothes and dragging everything out of
Speaker 2: the cupboard.
Speaker 1: Well, do you want to turn your mic coffin? Go
Speaker 1: and attend to that, and I'll talk to chatters. Thank you,
Speaker 1: I will do that, all right, You go and do that. Bianca?
Speaker 1: What's news? How are you?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good.
Speaker 4: I feel like I just life has been crazy the
Speaker 4: last couple of years, becoming a mom. And I don't
Speaker 4: even think I've been on here since I've.
Speaker 3: Had my daughter.
Speaker 1: How old is she now?
Speaker 3: So she's two and a half?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 4: And yeah, I feel like I just well, we all
Speaker 4: just bunk it down, as I'm sure many.
Speaker 3: Other parents relate.
Speaker 4: Just bunk it down and you can get done and
Speaker 4: the rest of the time you enjoyed just hanging around
Speaker 4: the house and finding, you know, finding the little things,
Speaker 4: because they certainly do, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, your background is pretty diverse, so you know,
Speaker 1: elite athlete playing for Australia World Cup comm Games gold
Speaker 1: medalers captaining arguably the best team in the world, as
Speaker 1: in the Melbourne Vixen's club team in the world. For
Speaker 1: quite a long time, you were a school teacher who
Speaker 1: actually who actually did the training and then went and taught,
Speaker 1: unlike many teachers who do teaching and then go and
Speaker 1: work in a bar, you know. And you were a
Speaker 1: business owner for quite a while. I think you had
Speaker 1: a f forty five or two. You're a TV presenter.
Speaker 1: You were the host of the Woman's Footy show. You
Speaker 1: like you call the Netty. You do a lot of
Speaker 1: corporate speaking, you do educational stuff, you work. What kind
Speaker 1: of determines what you put your energy into and what
Speaker 1: has your attention.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't think I
Speaker 4: was ever very good at managing it. I mean, you've
Speaker 4: known me for a long time. Like I used to
Speaker 4: just do everything, say yes to everything. And I think
Speaker 4: there's definitely a time and a place where that's a
Speaker 4: benefit to do that. And as I've gotten a bit
Speaker 4: older and a bit smarter and a bit probably more
Speaker 4: understanding of who I am really and what I feel
Speaker 4: passionate about, what really drives me and what you know,
Speaker 4: fills my cup like a big one on just energy
Speaker 4: and just making sure what you're doing is actually giving
Speaker 4: you energy and not draining it from you. And so
Speaker 4: I think, especially the last couple of years, like my
Speaker 4: boundaries have got so much stronger in saying no to
Speaker 4: things that I don't think will you know, be of
Speaker 4: good use to me or something that I'll enjoy doing.
Speaker 4: But I very much find myself now in the place
Speaker 4: of working still in the leadership space, working with people
Speaker 4: because I love that and that you know, does obviously
Speaker 4: tie into the education piece as well from my past,
Speaker 4: and then also on the other side of it being
Speaker 4: in the media hosting. I work with Fox Sports, so
Speaker 4: Fox Netball, I'm doing a bit of.
Speaker 3: Fox Cricket this summer.
Speaker 4: That stuff really fills my cup too, because I love
Speaker 4: the adrenaline rush that you get of live TV. And
Speaker 4: it's like being an athlete. It's sink or swim if
Speaker 4: you do your prep and you make sure you know
Speaker 4: as much as you can, like when you're on air,
Speaker 4: if something stuffs up, then you just got to be
Speaker 4: able to you know, figure it out. And I love
Speaker 4: that feeling it really. Yeah, it's probably more of an
Speaker 4: adrenaline junkie trying to chase that feeling. But that's what
Speaker 4: I love about doing live TV. And there's just, you know,
Speaker 4: plenty of room for people to give your feedback if
Speaker 4: they were on the which you can open or not whatever.
Speaker 4: But it's just I like being able to kind of
Speaker 4: spend my time in both of those worlds from a
Speaker 4: work capacity, and I like having that balance. And I
Speaker 4: always used to think it was actually balance is the
Speaker 4: wrong work because it's never balanced. But I used to
Speaker 4: think I had to have one not title, but just
Speaker 4: I would myself. And listening to that bio, I get
Speaker 4: I'm like overwhelmed and exhausted because I'm like, sure, I've
Speaker 4: done a lot of things, but what I just want
Speaker 4: to put your hand on one thing that you can
Speaker 4: do one thing, And I'm like, no, I don't want
Speaker 4: to ever have to narrow myself down.
Speaker 3: I love being able to do lots of different things.
Speaker 1: I feel like with somebody like you, who when you're young,
Speaker 1: you know you're a really good athlete and your idea
Speaker 1: is a good athlete. So there's always going to be
Speaker 1: people clamoring for you to be involved with them. And
Speaker 1: then off the back of being a good athlete, comes
Speaker 1: other opportunities, and like you said, you just say yes
Speaker 1: to a lot of stuff because it's all new and
Speaker 1: exciting and you're building relationships and new doors are opening
Speaker 1: and you're like, fuck, I'll give that a go. But
Speaker 1: then you and I was a little bit like that
Speaker 1: when I opened my gyms and started doing radio stuff
Speaker 1: and writing for different outlets, and new things arise and
Speaker 1: you just kind of say yes a lot. But I
Speaker 1: feel like when you get older, not that you're old,
Speaker 1: but you're in your forties, so you know, fucking spring chicken,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, you know your middle age, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Not But I think we can become a lot more
Speaker 1: intentional with our living, like living consciously and proactively rather
Speaker 1: than unconsciously and reactively, where we start to almost design
Speaker 1: our life other than just say yes or no toe
Speaker 1: stuff that just comes along.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I totally agree with that.
Speaker 4: And it's and I don't know if that coincided with
Speaker 4: me becoming a mum as well and having this whole
Speaker 4: emotional layout to what it is to leave the house
Speaker 4: or to not be around for her, the intention of
Speaker 4: taking on things that mean I leave the house, like
Speaker 4: you have to really want to do it, because you
Speaker 4: know what it does for everybody else who is, whether
Speaker 4: it's you know, Mark, my partner, he's at home, you know,
Speaker 4: if I'm traveling into state, and so much of my
Speaker 4: work ends up being into state, which I do love,
Speaker 4: but that also, you know, adds the extra pressure at
Speaker 4: home to be able to do that. So I'm fortunate
Speaker 4: that we've been able to make that all work. But
Speaker 4: I certainly, yeah, I think becoming a mum, the boundaries
Speaker 4: have had to become a lot stronger.
Speaker 3: And also, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Don't want to let this little girl down when you're
Speaker 4: not around, if you're doing something that's not actually you know,
Speaker 4: for the for the best.
Speaker 3: Of both of us and all of us, and for
Speaker 3: me as well.
Speaker 1: I would imagine that as soon as you become a parent,
Speaker 1: that you're looking at the world through a different lens,
Speaker 1: like you know, and so everything is different just by
Speaker 1: virtue of now there's three not two, you know, and
Speaker 1: versus even being in a relationship with Mark, you know,
Speaker 1: there's two, not one, but now there's three, and so
Speaker 1: it's not like you even need to try to be
Speaker 1: different or try to think differently. That's an automatic byproduct
Speaker 1: of what is now your new reality, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I mean so much of the work that I've
Speaker 4: done in the past, whether it's you know, leadership speaking,
Speaker 4: working in businesses, working with moms, I just have this
Speaker 4: kind of part of me that I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 4: never really understood what they were going through as much
Speaker 4: as I would say, this is how you get the
Speaker 4: best out of yourself, you know, if you get up
Speaker 4: in the morning and you've got.
Speaker 3: A good routine and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: I used to think that was so important, and I
Speaker 4: know it is and it certainly has a place, but
Speaker 4: just this is on stuff like that that I realized.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I'm a mum of one child,
Speaker 4: let alone moms and parents multiple children sometimes not possible.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely okay that it can be impossible to be
Speaker 4: able to get up and set your day up in
Speaker 4: that way because these little people need you and wake
Speaker 4: you up at whenever they feel like waking you up,
Speaker 4: and who knows what the night before has been like,
Speaker 4: And so that just adds a whole nother layer of complexity,
Speaker 4: I think, to people's lives. And yeah, I felt for
Speaker 4: a while I was like Oh, I never really got it,
Speaker 4: and now I get it that little bit more too.
Speaker 4: When I'm out speaking to a lot of mums, especially mums,
Speaker 4: working mums, you know, because it's tough to be able
Speaker 4: to do all of that.
Speaker 1: It just dawned on me the differences but also the
Speaker 1: similarities between you and Tif. You're both forty two. She's
Speaker 1: an athlete, she's a boxer. She's a short blonde who
Speaker 1: punches people in the face. You're a tall brunette who
Speaker 1: used to stop women from shooting goals for a long time.
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: I think, like, what's interesting about you two both is
Speaker 1: that both of you. I don't know. I haven't spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time with you over the last few years,
Speaker 1: but so I'm not sure. But definitely with Tiff for
Speaker 1: a long time, but she's softening. There was Tiff was
Speaker 1: like simultaneously wearing a baseball cap that said fuck off
Speaker 1: and a T shirt that said give us a hug. Though, right,
Speaker 1: so there was a little bit come here, fuck off,
Speaker 1: and you had a bit of that, like when when
Speaker 1: you were a young athlete, you were a motherfucker on
Speaker 1: the court, you were a sweetheart off it, but you're
Speaker 1: a complete bitch on it. Let's be honest, right, you
Speaker 1: weren't the friendliest or the warmest. You were highly competitive.
Speaker 1: But I feel like both of you have softened. Am
Speaker 1: I right or no?
Speaker 3: Oh? Definitely for me, and I think the minute.
Speaker 4: I walked off the court as an athlete, I definitely
Speaker 4: started to soften and lose that competitiveness where I really
Speaker 4: wanted to do anything to win and I'd take down
Speaker 4: anyone that was in my way, like I was very
Speaker 4: much driven like that, and I mean, it's exhausting, but
Speaker 4: I definitely the minute I walked off the court, and
Speaker 4: I've never stepped back on the court, not even socially,
Speaker 4: because I almost know how dangerous that will be for me,
Speaker 4: like physically and injuries, but also mentally, I'm like, I
Speaker 4: just don't want to put myself in that position because
Speaker 4: I know that I'll probably hurt somebody if I went
Speaker 4: out there on court and tried to play like I
Speaker 4: used to and tif I wonder if that would be
Speaker 4: the same for you whenever. I guess boxing is something
Speaker 4: that can be always in your life, but I wonder
Speaker 4: how you'll feel once you kind of stop that competitiveness
Speaker 4: of it all.
Speaker 2: It's it's I'm going through an interesting time at the moment,
Speaker 2: and a big part of I just had a trip
Speaker 2: to India which brought about a massive shift for me,
Speaker 2: and part of that before I went away was wanting
Speaker 2: to step away from the identity of TIF the boxer,
Speaker 2: TIF the trainer, Tiff the athlete, TIF the yeah that
Speaker 2: I felt that one little part of me became all
Speaker 2: of the parts of me, and all the other parts
Speaker 2: got put in a box. So I'm just seeing how
Speaker 2: it all fits together at the moment. I don't know
Speaker 2: which assumed in.
Speaker 4: A way, though, I think compartmentalizing things that was a
Speaker 4: way that I often would cope is knowing that I
Speaker 4: could put that away in the box and not worry
Speaker 4: about it for a little while, and then come back
Speaker 4: to it when I felt like I had the right
Speaker 4: amount of energy or whatever to go back there. But certainly,
Speaker 4: when I had my athlete hat on, I would ignore
Speaker 4: everything else because I'm like, you know, this is so
Speaker 4: important to me. I need to do what everything it
Speaker 4: takes to be good at this, and I could quite
Speaker 4: often switch off a lot of things that probably were
Speaker 4: more important than I needed to focus on. But I
Speaker 4: think that's how you cope in sport and as athletes,
Speaker 4: I think that you kind of have to have a
Speaker 4: level of that.
Speaker 2: I found that A huge positive to that when I
Speaker 2: needed it was seeing how it shifted me in my life.
Speaker 2: So I spent all this time in training in the
Speaker 2: gym and boxing ring thinking that I was just doing that,
Speaker 2: and then after a few years I looked back and went, oh,
Speaker 2: that actually changed tiff Cook outside the ring. That changed
Speaker 2: how I am in as an employee, as a business person,
Speaker 2: as a friend. It changed everything. But I guess that's
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at now, is going well, it's there's
Speaker 2: a part of that that needs to be left behind.
Speaker 2: So do I still need that sport or should I
Speaker 2: Do I need.
Speaker 3: To shift that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it exists, whether you think it's happening or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the way. I love the way Bianca.
Speaker 1: You just started hosting the show, then, No, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love I'm like, oh, here's the TV presenter, so TIF,
Speaker 1: so TIF for you. No, I fucking love it.
Speaker 3: You just step aside, Craig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, feel free to both of you. Feel free to
Speaker 1: ask questions and take the reins at any time. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you. Bee how do you so, now
Speaker 1: it's forty two, been a mum, being a business woman,
Speaker 1: being a bunch of different things, what do you decide,
Speaker 1: like right now and moving forward to do and also
Speaker 1: to not do, like what needs to go on the
Speaker 1: later list, what needs to get put on the shelf,
Speaker 1: because we know we can't do you know, I'm I
Speaker 1: figure this out with my PhD and my business and
Speaker 1: my podcast and trying to stay in shape. And I
Speaker 1: can't do sixty four things. Well, so I need to
Speaker 1: do four or five things. And I get lots of
Speaker 1: other opportunities, as do both of you, and I even
Speaker 1: great opportunities. I've got to say no because I can't
Speaker 1: fit anything else in. So what's your criteria for figuring
Speaker 1: out where you invest your time and energy?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it simply comes to you know. So
Speaker 4: during I'm contracted with Fox Sports, so that is obviously
Speaker 4: a priority. When the when busy in whether it's netball
Speaker 4: season and so that's free example, I know that from
Speaker 4: the end of March through till generally the end of August,
Speaker 4: I will be traveling most weekends or I'll have games
Speaker 4: on most weekends and maybe some things during the week
Speaker 4: and that's like an intense kind of period of time
Speaker 4: for me and then obviously my family. And so basically
Speaker 4: I just make sure that whatever I take on during
Speaker 4: that time fits within my week where it's not going
Speaker 4: to obviously disrupt what I'm doing for network, but also
Speaker 4: that I've got the energy to do it, because it's
Speaker 4: quite exhausting being up and about in the commentary and
Speaker 4: all of that. You know, it takes a lot out
Speaker 4: of you, and I've got to make sure that I
Speaker 4: have on a Monday morning some time to kind of
Speaker 4: to myself, to recover and to just you know, walk around,
Speaker 4: go to the park whatever we're doing.
Speaker 3: So I try and only take on.
Speaker 4: One other thing in a week of work when I'm
Speaker 4: in netball season, and once I'm out of that netball
Speaker 4: season again, I'll wagh it up and see what projects
Speaker 4: are have in front of me, and if it might
Speaker 4: be a big chunk of leadership work that I'll do
Speaker 4: with a client, then I will kind of set that
Speaker 4: asign and say I'm only available to do that in September.
Speaker 4: And it becomes a bit cutthroat, and it's just you've
Speaker 4: got to take me or leave me like I can
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 3: In that time, so.
Speaker 4: I just can't do it rather than trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: force and pressure on everybody else to make sure that
Speaker 4: I can do it.
Speaker 3: So don't.
Speaker 4: I don't have the clear equation of how it works
Speaker 4: perfectly because I don't think it ever does. But Mark,
Speaker 4: my partner, is so organized, like far more organized than me,
Speaker 4: and he is constantly me about diary and schedule on
Speaker 4: time and what are we doing, and he obviously works
Speaker 4: as well. So I'm just very fortunate that I have
Speaker 4: a partner like him who drives me crazy with his organization.
Speaker 4: But on the flip side, make sure that we can
Speaker 4: fit in everything that we can do and if there's
Speaker 4: something that I really love and that I you know,
Speaker 4: when I got a call about doing some Fox cricket stuff,
Speaker 4: I was like, yes, like I want to do it.
Speaker 4: I love working in other sports and so that was
Speaker 4: kind of because it really me. I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I have to try and make time for this, and
Speaker 4: fortunately it's over summer where there is some time.
Speaker 1: So do you do you have like last night I did.
Speaker 1: I'm running a mentoring group at the moment, which is
Speaker 1: just a bunch of people online on a Monday night
Speaker 1: for two hours, right, and it starts at seven, and
Speaker 1: literally it four minutes past seven. I'm downstairs in the
Speaker 1: four minutes two seven, I'm downstairs getting a cup of
Speaker 1: tea and bare feet and shorts and a black T shirt,
Speaker 1: fucking around. And then I sit down and like, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to talk to them about. But
Speaker 1: it is, you know, like talking to you and tiar
Speaker 1: f right now, seventeen hundred and eighty odd episodes in
Speaker 1: it's it's just like completely comfortable. It's like completely it's
Speaker 1: my natural habitat. There's no stress, there's no anxiety, there's
Speaker 1: no fear. It's just a thing that I'm doing in
Speaker 1: the moment. But then there are other things, you know,
Speaker 1: like last week I did two talks face to face
Speaker 1: live talks Tuesday Wednesday, seven hundred people each talk, where
Speaker 1: it's a bit different and I don't stress about it,
Speaker 1: but there's a different kind of getting ready process, getting
Speaker 1: ready practically, mentally, emotionally, when you've got to do stuff
Speaker 1: like Telly where you can't do it again because it's
Speaker 1: live and it's in the moment. Do you have like rituals,
Speaker 1: Do you have a certain prep that you've got to
Speaker 1: go through. I don't mean in terms of research beforehand,
Speaker 1: but on the day for you to fucking so the
Speaker 1: cameras camera's on, you're live, you're standing with a mic
Speaker 1: by the side of the court. How do you get
Speaker 1: yourself in that optimal state?
Speaker 4: Hmm, well, you know, I actually think it's very similar
Speaker 4: to what I would do as an athlete like I
Speaker 4: as long as I've done my prep and I can
Speaker 4: park that, generally, I'll do that the night before, even
Speaker 4: if that means staying up however late I need to
Speaker 4: stay up to get it done. I'd just like to
Speaker 4: be able to on game day if be able to
Speaker 4: get into the courts or wherever. And obviously we're in
Speaker 4: hair make up for an hour because this face doesn't
Speaker 4: look like this on TV and all this hair.
Speaker 3: So you're in the hair and makeup for an hour.
Speaker 4: And for me, the most stressful part is if I'm
Speaker 4: in here and makeup and I'm trying to do notes
Speaker 4: and trying to figure everything out and not able to
Speaker 4: just have a general chat about anything and everything. I
Speaker 4: know that I'm putting myself under the pump. So I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to be as prepped as I can get there,
Speaker 4: and then I just want to have a bit of
Speaker 4: fun in the lead up to the game, you know,
Speaker 4: talk to the players if you see them around, not
Speaker 4: feel like you've got to do too much. And also,
Speaker 4: which I'm sure you'd be very interested in, creiggro On
Speaker 4: Tiff is also from a nutrition point of view, making
Speaker 4: sure you've eaten really well beforehand, because we could be
Speaker 4: on air for a good chunk of time like you
Speaker 4: might be you know, five So this Wednesday, actually we're
Speaker 4: on air I think for about six.
Speaker 3: Hours because there's two games and.
Speaker 4: You can't really eat and you can't really go to
Speaker 4: the toilet through that six hours, so you don't have time,
Speaker 4: so you can't really be drinking way too much water
Speaker 4: and things like that, so you have to really be
Speaker 4: prepped beforehand, otherwise you get caught in that really dodgy
Speaker 4: loophole of having the lolly from the start and then
Speaker 4: feeling terrible because you smashed the whole bag of lollies
Speaker 4: and you sugar crash and that, you know, the roller
Speaker 4: coaster ride. So even that kind of stuff I think
Speaker 4: is important. Making sure you've had something good to eat,
Speaker 4: some good protein, and then it gets you through the day.
Speaker 1: And also I think people would not typically the average
Speaker 1: person watching you on Telly wouldn't think about understandably the
Speaker 1: cognitive load of needing to be switched on sharp, like
Speaker 1: fully present, no fatigue for six hours, where you think about,
Speaker 1: if I'm reading an academic paper for twenty minutes, it
Speaker 1: can put me into a coma because there's a heavy
Speaker 1: cognitive load, and I don't love it, right, And obviously
Speaker 1: you enjoy it a little bit more than I enjoyed
Speaker 1: reading academic papers. But being able to be fully present
Speaker 1: and switched on and sharp for six hours is like
Speaker 1: running a cognitive marathon.
Speaker 4: And the whole time I still feel like, even though
Speaker 4: I've done it for a while, I still feel like
Speaker 4: I've got my l plates on. Like you're just constantly learning,
Speaker 4: which is a good thing. You never feel comfortable like
Speaker 4: you've nailed it. You're always constantly trying to think of
Speaker 4: different ways you can do it, and you.
Speaker 3: Know, and anything can happen the moment.
Speaker 4: One of the first games I did on Fox, We're
Speaker 4: over in Adelaide, and there was an issue with the court,
Speaker 4: so the game was delayed an hour, so then you
Speaker 4: had to feel that hour and then at halftime, the
Speaker 4: game got canceled because of a power outage, and then
Speaker 4: again you had to just feel and it's just stuff
Speaker 4: like that that you can't ever relax. You've got someone
Speaker 4: talking in your ear trying to guide you, and then
Speaker 4: you've got the crowd noise, and then it's just there's
Speaker 4: just so much stimulus everywhere. It's really hard to focus,
Speaker 4: far more than what it ever was as an athlete.
Speaker 4: But then again, I like that that it drives me
Speaker 4: to just try and be better every time I do it.
Speaker 1: And also on top of that, you've got the anxiety
Speaker 1: of all the uncertainty in the moment because you knew
Speaker 1: what was coming and now that's not coming. Yes, and
Speaker 1: they're going to you. You've got to feel or you've
Speaker 1: got to stretch this or like with what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yes, So everyone who gives us feedback about
Speaker 4: how what we're.
Speaker 3: Doing in the moment, you just don't quite understand all that.
Speaker 1: Goes into I have a question for you that's from
Speaker 1: left field. So most most people that I've worked with,
Speaker 1: including and also I put myself in this group, but
Speaker 1: most of us have, especially athletes, have an interesting, let's say,
Speaker 1: an interesting relationship with their body, you know, when they
Speaker 1: are athletes, because you're under a certain amount of pressure
Speaker 1: to keep your body in a particular state. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about aesthetics or weight. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: performance and function and optimal output whatever the sport is,
Speaker 1: you know. And now that I mean, obviously you're a
Speaker 1: long time out of that, but I just want to
Speaker 1: know because you know you you are six ' two,
Speaker 1: and I know that for you, like staying in elite
Speaker 1: shape for elite sport didn't always come easy to you.
Speaker 1: Not that you were overweight per se, but it's not
Speaker 1: like you were some fucking mesomorph who who just walked out,
Speaker 1: you know, and you were just lean and jacked, right,
Speaker 1: You're always working hard with diet hard, with training hard,
Speaker 1: with all the protocols, and now it seems like it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but to me, it seems like from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, which very much I am, now
Speaker 1: you seem almost physically, mentally and emotionally in a better place.
Speaker 1: Like how is your relationship with your body changed since
Speaker 1: those days?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, you've nailed it, definitely. That's exactly how
Speaker 4: I was as an athlete, and like I was just
Speaker 4: I look back now and I overtrained, and because I
Speaker 4: was constantly trying to push myself to jump higher and
Speaker 4: to be stronger and all the things that you're meant
Speaker 4: to be, and my body was just never naturally gifted
Speaker 4: like that unfortunately. And so yeah, I would I was
Speaker 4: that focused that I, you know, would do so much
Speaker 4: that I think I was constantly you know, had high
Speaker 4: levels of probably cortisol and stress running through my body
Speaker 4: that I could never get the best out of it anyway.
Speaker 3: And then now when I.
Speaker 4: Like kind of flip now to where I am, I
Speaker 4: still very much enjoy training and going to the gym,
Speaker 4: but it's very much about never flogging myself or doing
Speaker 4: anything that's overly high intense. It's more about just being
Speaker 4: healthy and like mentally, I enjoy going to the gym
Speaker 4: because it's a good outlet and doing things like pilates,
Speaker 4: and you know, I still go and see our mate
Speaker 4: Sam Whaley and do a bit of rehab just on
Speaker 4: the jobs to try and keep myself strong.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it really is.
Speaker 4: A complete change that it's just all about being being
Speaker 4: healthy and looking after myself, not about I don't care
Speaker 4: how fit I am. I don't I can't run anyway
Speaker 4: because my knee. But yeah, it's not about that anymore,
Speaker 4: even to the point where we've come. I say it's
Speaker 4: wellness flogs, but it's probably not the.
Speaker 1: Right wellness flogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like we've got an infrared sauna at home, and you know,
Speaker 4: I love that because I love the benefits health wise,
Speaker 4: but I also love that it's just time out, So
Speaker 4: I enjoy doing that when I can. And Mark has
Speaker 4: an ice bar setup and he uses that. I don't
Speaker 4: go in there as much, but I know I probably should.
Speaker 1: I know how much you love ice bars. Historically I do.
Speaker 4: We've done enough in my time, but yeah, I understand
Speaker 4: the benefits of it, so sometimes I'll do that too.
Speaker 3: We're in the sauna.
Speaker 4: But doing things like that more for our lifestyle and
Speaker 4: being healthy than it is about going to training and
Speaker 4: you know, doing your forty five and I know there's
Speaker 4: a place for that, but definitely for my body, it
Speaker 4: made it so much worse from pushing it so much.
Speaker 1: Do you have do you have a like an overarching
Speaker 1: idea of I guess or objective of what you know
Speaker 1: what life at fifty will look like, or do you
Speaker 1: just kind of like I know that you're living more consciously.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I know you're a long way from fifty.
Speaker 1: But what I mean is, you know I say this often,
Speaker 1: but the amount of times I've sat down with somebody
Speaker 1: who's fifty is years old who says to me, oh,
Speaker 1: like in reference to where their life's at and there
Speaker 1: everything's at, you know, they go, this wasn't my plan.
Speaker 1: And then when I say, can I see the plan?
Speaker 1: There is no plan? You know? Do you live kind
Speaker 1: of methodically like that where you think in one, two,
Speaker 1: five years, Not in terms of so you've got this
Speaker 1: these KPIs mapped out on some whiteboard that you and
Speaker 1: Mark are reviewing on a quarterly basis, but where you
Speaker 1: think hopefully, you know, in ten years we're going to
Speaker 1: be living down the peninsula and do it or whatever?
Speaker 1: Do you think forward that far?
Speaker 4: I mean not really other than like I guess you
Speaker 4: have to with a child because you've got to think
Speaker 4: about schools and stuff like that. But in terms of
Speaker 4: me personally, I like, I just want to as much
Speaker 4: as I can be doing what we're doing. Like me,
Speaker 4: the work that I do, I love it whichever way
Speaker 4: it goes and flows, like I'm happy with that as
Speaker 4: long as I'm still making the right choices like that
Speaker 4: are actually right for me, and I will always I
Speaker 4: will always look after my health and my body because
Speaker 4: I know how important that is for me too. So
Speaker 4: in terms of plans like, of course I love, you know,
Speaker 4: renovating and buying.
Speaker 3: How I would love to do more of that if
Speaker 3: I could, but comes with the money that you need
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, of course, of course we should mention to
Speaker 1: our listeners who don't know, which is probably half of them,
Speaker 1: that you and it was a Karla were on the block.
Speaker 1: How was that twenty eighteen or something.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: And did did very well of course, So you still
Speaker 1: have that renovation kind of passion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really I enjoy it.
Speaker 4: And my dad's a builder, so that was always kind
Speaker 4: of you know, in front of me as a kid,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I love doing it. But obviously you know
Speaker 4: you need time to do that as well, so it
Speaker 4: always takes time.
Speaker 3: But I'm always tinking around.
Speaker 4: That's what we had to do with infrared sauna was
Speaker 4: build an outdoor area to be able to house the
Speaker 4: sauna outside, and so Dad and I did that last summer,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I really enjoy it. It's obviously it's physical,
Speaker 4: so I enjoy that part of it too, But just
Speaker 4: being creative and learning things that I've got no idea
Speaker 4: about and thinking, I've got, you know, all the tools
Speaker 4: that I need, but I don't really know how to
Speaker 4: use them.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to rely on everybody else to help
Speaker 3: me with that part. But I like it. I like
Speaker 3: in my hands dirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think obviously renovation and building and like
Speaker 1: it is really a creative process, you know, and if
Speaker 1: you can conceive it, then you can find the people
Speaker 1: that can help you turn that theoretical something into a
Speaker 1: real world something. I want to ask you a couple
Speaker 1: of philosophical questions. So, what is something that you are
Speaker 1: better at now than you used to be that that
Speaker 1: was perhaps a flaw or a weakness that now you
Speaker 1: feel like you're starting to master or at least, have
Speaker 1: you know, got a better understanding of.
Speaker 3: Cheapers? What would it be? I think?
Speaker 1: Or in other words, what do you do better now?
Speaker 1: What's something now that you used to be kind of
Speaker 1: shit at? And now maybe you're not a superstar, but
Speaker 1: you definitely have learned and grown in that space.
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, so much of what we've already spoken
Speaker 4: about today, definitely, but knowing myself being far more self
Speaker 4: aware and understanding of me and what I need, and
Speaker 4: I think maybe comes with age, but also you know,
Speaker 4: just evolving and always learning. Like I'm a big one
Speaker 4: for always listening to podcasts and you know, audio books
Speaker 4: and really trying to learn as much as I can
Speaker 4: in terms of everything that you know, you talk about.
Speaker 4: But I also find I get fatigued from that too,
Speaker 4: and that sometimes I just have to completely switch off
Speaker 4: from it because you hear the same words all the time,
Speaker 4: and you hear a lot of the same topics, and
Speaker 4: it can get really overwhelming and exhausting, and so I
Speaker 4: have to be really conscious of pulling myself out of
Speaker 4: that and not getting too caught up in that too.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think probably being just far more self
Speaker 4: aware is a huge one. And being even me like
Speaker 4: as you would know, like I was never a really
Speaker 4: emotional person, and I certainly do am far more emotional
Speaker 4: now than I ever was, and probably still not too
Speaker 4: you know, an extreme degree, but I just I see
Speaker 4: the value in that as well, about showing your emotions
Speaker 4: to people too, and you know, letting your guard down
Speaker 4: a little bit because I was very much fixated on
Speaker 4: one thing, and you know, I was never really very
Speaker 4: open like that was that Craigo, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what you're talking about. I reckon you were
Speaker 1: always emotional, but you didn't express it as express it,
Speaker 1: you know, like you it was always there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: why well you and I have been friends for probably
Speaker 1: the best part of twenty years, right, and we don't
Speaker 1: see each other much. But if you rang me and
Speaker 1: when I'm fucked I need whatever, you know that I
Speaker 1: would do that. And I know I know the other
Speaker 1: way around, you know, So I think that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that as you you know, for me, it feels
Speaker 1: like you are. And the same with Tiff. Tiff showbian
Speaker 1: rock that's from the Himalayas, that keeps it. She's always
Speaker 1: got it on her. But it's funny because you both
Speaker 1: have that, like I said, that little bit of fuck
Speaker 1: off about you. But also I think part of that
Speaker 1: for both of you is because you are you do
Speaker 1: actually care a lot, but you don't always or you
Speaker 1: haven't always known how to express that. But I feel
Speaker 1: you know, I know that for Tip, and I feel
Speaker 1: like for you, like you're probably just a little bit
Speaker 1: you know, more demonstrative and comfortable in your own skin,
Speaker 1: you know these days?
Speaker 4: Be yes, definitely that probably it sums it up quite well.
Speaker 3: And I don't know is that an age thing? Is
Speaker 3: it just a personality thing?
Speaker 1: And I think also it's a you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: what's the point, what's the point of being fucking what's
Speaker 1: the point of having the fuck off? Like? What what
Speaker 1: is that doesn't do anything?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: And also do you know what else is liberating? And
Speaker 5: I talk about this a bit, but what else is
Speaker 5: liberating is when you go I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 5: or I fucked up, or I was a dickhead. It's
Speaker 5: my fault. You know, It's okay, it's my fault, wasn't you?
Speaker 5: It's actually me, you.
Speaker 4: Know, totally and even not feeling like you have to
Speaker 4: have an opinion on something too, just listening, go for people,
Speaker 4: go your hardest with what you think.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to just sit back and just.
Speaker 1: Someone said to me, Yes, someone asked me yesterday about
Speaker 1: the US. You know that the presidency, what I think,
Speaker 1: I go to no one in the world needs to
Speaker 1: know what I think, and I don't even know what
Speaker 1: how like I would just it's like going, what do
Speaker 1: you think is going to come up? Like green or blue?
Speaker 1: I go, oh, I don't know, or I'm going to
Speaker 1: roll the dice crage? What number do you reckon? It'll be?
Speaker 1: How the fuck do I know? And why do you care?
Speaker 3: Did you listen to Trump and Rogan recently?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did? I did. I did listen to the whole
Speaker 1: three hours. But man, he can. He can go on
Speaker 1: a tangent, can't he.
Speaker 4: I just I quite enjoyed it, like I've got again.
Speaker 4: I don't even care about what happened. Enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 4: How he was talking about weaving things into conversations and
Speaker 4: how he does that.
Speaker 3: Like, yes, he's strategic, and.
Speaker 1: I love Rogan would ask him a specific question. Within
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, he's talking about something that he did in Delaware,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the numbers. Are we did very
Speaker 1: well there? We did and we got very good numbers
Speaker 1: and very good support. And Rogan's like, yeah, that isn't
Speaker 1: what I asked you about. He's like, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool, but answer the question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I go for three hours?
Speaker 1: Ah, And doesn't he love a compliment? When Rogan said
Speaker 1: to him you've got good comedic timing. Oh fucking hell,
Speaker 1: it's like he loves all that. Hey, well, we love
Speaker 1: catching up with you. You're the best. How do people
Speaker 1: connect with you and find you? And anyone that's listening
Speaker 1: that might want to try and find that three minute
Speaker 1: spare that you have a year to employ you for
Speaker 1: a corporate gig to get you to come and work
Speaker 1: with their team. By the way, you better be fucking
Speaker 1: cashed up if you want her to come, because she
Speaker 1: doesn't come cheap. How do people do that? Be just through?
Speaker 4: Probably socials is the best one. Just at the Yanchor
Speaker 4: Chapfield on my socials.
Speaker 3: Just hit me up on there.
Speaker 1: With that my last quad. Yeah, you're terrible at self promotion.
Speaker 1: You're like that, don't worry, I'm busy, but you know, thanks.
Speaker 1: So you're six to two, you bloke six ' four?
Speaker 1: How tall is you're two and a half year old?
Speaker 4: Oh, she hasn't hit six foot yet, somedays she probably,
Speaker 4: Well she's pretty tall.
Speaker 3: Like you take her to the playground and everyone's like,
Speaker 3: oh is she four? And make no, she's two and
Speaker 3: a half. Do you know what?
Speaker 4: Actually even on that that kind of I find that
Speaker 4: hard to like understand from people, because everyone wants to
Speaker 4: tell you how tall she is, and I think it
Speaker 4: takes me back to, you know, just every day of
Speaker 4: my life, where everyone tells you how tall you are.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, ah, God, she's going to have to
Speaker 4: deal with that her whole life, and everyone telling her
Speaker 4: how tall she is and everyone asking she's going to
Speaker 4: play netball, and so I get really defensive with everyone.
Speaker 4: I'm like, stop talking about her height all the time.
Speaker 4: But I pull my jets on that because I can't project.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's going away anytime soon, no,
Speaker 1: And it.
Speaker 4: Just cracks me up. And I'm like, yep, yes, she's tall.
Speaker 4: Are you surprised look at me.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: You could be super honest and you know, go back
Speaker 4: about something else about somebody, but I'm like, no, I'll
Speaker 4: just keep it.
Speaker 1: I could come back right now with certain things, but
Speaker 1: that would be very bad. Bianca, thank you. We'll talk
Speaker 1: again soon. We'll say goodbye of here, of course, but
Speaker 1: thanks be, Thanks Tiff
Speaker 3: Thank you, see you later, everyone,