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Speaker 1: Dreadful incident on Saturday in Port Augusta where police turned

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Speaker 1: they were allegedly set upon by a man with a

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Speaker 1: in the patrol and she was seriously horrifically injured. We

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Speaker 1: who joins me now. Commissioner, good morning, Good morning, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: A terrible, terrible incident. How is the officer?

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Speaker 2: She's undergone significant surgery, but we're advised that the surgery

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Speaker 2: went well by all accounts, and she's in good spirits.

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Speaker 2: So we're very thankful that it wasn't a life threatening injury.

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Speaker 2: But we are talking about a situation where more tragic

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Speaker 2: outcome was certainly possible. There are a lot of police

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Speaker 2: that this is just something that shouldn't be happening, and

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Speaker 2: we're expecting that this person will be held to account

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Speaker 1: Well, you'd certainly hope that that would be the community expectation,

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Speaker 1: but you'd be aware. Wade Burns already on five Double

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Speaker 1: A yesterday afternoon, made the comments to John Edwards here

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Speaker 1: who had him on his show, and he said that

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Speaker 1: what we're looking for is the government and the courts

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Speaker 1: to act appropriately in this case and send a strong message.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't imagine you disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing I say is, notwithstanding the circumstances,

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Speaker 2: finding of guilt, but we would be expecting a penalty

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Speaker 2: that I think provides the level of assurance police officers

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Speaker 2: and that perpetrators understand that if you if you make

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Speaker 2: the decision to assault a police officer or a prescribed

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Speaker 2: emergency services worker, you are you are going to face consequences.

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Speaker 2: That the maximum penalty for assaulting and emergency services workers

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Speaker 2: fifteen years, and I think the penalty range is appropriate,

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Speaker 1: Given the incident recently and the DPP is appealing. This

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Speaker 1: she was given a suspended eight month sentence. The only

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Speaker 1: think an eight month sentence for that, in my view,

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Speaker 2: The sentence that the individual concerned receivers three years and

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Speaker 2: eight months, and the decision to suspend that sentence is

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Speaker 2: the one that raised our concerns. And we're pleased to

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Speaker 2: see that the DPP is initiating an appeal and we'll

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Speaker 2: The fact that it's now up for an appeal consideration

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Speaker 1: Three years eight months, I should have said, not just

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Speaker 1: eight months. You're right, but suspended is exactly what is

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Speaker 1: both of these and you're right, this one currently needs

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Speaker 2: Well, you can't dismiss that as a possibility, Matthew. And

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Speaker 2: we think about young people. We're encouraging young people to

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Speaker 2: So look, I still promote that the policing is a

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Speaker 1: Laws would changed to toughen sentences on people who attack

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it comes down to how each particular

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Speaker 2: But it is about each individual case, and we're hopeful

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, well's I think the community expectation looking further a

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Speaker 1: Do you have the resources to do that?

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Speaker 2: Well? That would be the challenge for us, Matthew, and

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Speaker 2: I'm pleased you highlighted the fact that police responded quickly,

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Speaker 2: That would be a fairly significant resourceing position and probably

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Speaker 1: Are we at the point of needing to upgrade security

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Speaker 1: Is it time, given you've been struggling as a force

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Speaker 2: Well, that's probably a discussion that we should be having

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Speaker 2: that we do have incidents in our shopping precincts that

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Speaker 2: shopping precincts is certainly one of those things that should

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, just what I have you. Ax throwing

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Speaker 1: a controlled environment. There's been an inclusion of this sport

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Speaker 1: Is that an appropriate venue?

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Speaker 2: Well, just sort of speaking without a lot of background

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Speaker 2: It's a difficult it's a difficult proposition to come to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, while I have you just finally, we're getting

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Speaker 1: that's not a good way to start the Christmas New

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Speaker 2: We've lost four people on South Australian roads in the

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well to you and your family. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: Thanks Matthew, and the same to you. And Merry Christmas

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Speaker 2: to all of your listeners. And I hope they have

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Speaker 2: a safe and happy New Year and I look forward

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Police Commissioner Grant Stevens. Dan Creegan, the Police Minister,

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Speaker 1: has called in wants to have his say on this issue,

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Speaker 1: particularly I suspect the issue on the weekend regarding the

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Speaker 3: Good morning, good morning, makee you good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: What's your point of view on this? Just terrible for

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Speaker 3: Thoughts of every South Australian with the female officer who's

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Speaker 3: who is engaged in placing over Christmas. We're obviously very

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Speaker 3: very concerned for welfare and we know that every support

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Speaker 1: Should penalties be increased? Does Parliament the Government need to

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Speaker 3: We have backed in the toughest possible penalties for those

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Speaker 3: We are observing the court process very very closely, and

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Speaker 1: All right, now, the I mentioned this to the Police

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Speaker 3: This can be a really difficult job in difficult circumstances.

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Speaker 3: The selection process is incredibly tough. Over two thousand people

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Speaker 3: That nobody can fully anticipate all the circumstances that might

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, should shopping malls be policed, be be drilled by

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Speaker 3: As the Police Commissioner had indicated we obviously have a

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Speaker 1: And just finally the story that has surface regarding X

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Speaker 3: Introducing edge weapons with alcohol of course raises concerns. I'm

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Speaker 3: But if there are different levels of in aviation and

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Speaker 1: All right, polease Minister Dan Kreig, and thanks for coming on,

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Speaker 1: thanks for calling in, and have a great Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Matthew, to you and your listeners. We've really enjoyed

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Speaker 3: listening to five Double A and obviously want everyone to

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Speaker 3: have a safe and happy Christmas, particularly on our roads

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Speaker 3: as you as you earlier in phthisic