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Speaker 1: Approache production.

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Speaker 2: While Neil prepares for season ten of Secrets of the Underworld,

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Speaker 2: we take a look back at one of the more

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Speaker 2: eye opening episodes in the series, when Neil sat down

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Speaker 2: with Dirty Dave sharing some of the dark secrets inside

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Speaker 2: Pleasure Chest, one of Sydney's notorious sex shops.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld, Season three. I am

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Speaker 3: Neil the Muscle comments. You've probably heard about the last

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Speaker 3: King of the Cross, John Abraham, fifty Abraham.

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Speaker 1: You've been described as the King of the Cross.

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Speaker 3: Behind every king stands a loyal soldier. Their job is

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Speaker 3: to make sure that that king stays on the throne.

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Speaker 3: I am that soldier. And in this episode we speak

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Speaker 3: to Dirty Dave about the CD side of King's Cross

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Speaker 3: live from Padam out of jail.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's all this like running the Cross and

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Speaker 4: who runs the Cross and who's on the streets and

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Speaker 4: all that sort of thing. But then it was like, well,

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Speaker 4: we sort of run our own, little filthy bit of it.

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Speaker 4: I didn't work. I didn't work in this to him,

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Speaker 4: I was at the counter. I was by the counter.

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Speaker 4: Well the whole big yeah, like I said, like a

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Speaker 4: water bottle. But imagine like an oval, but he put

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Speaker 4: his dick through one of them and then it came

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Speaker 4: came up into the shop and was just like holding

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Speaker 4: his groin and had blood fucking heavy, and I'm like, mate,

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Speaker 4: what's going on? He's like, my dick's cut. You don't

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Speaker 4: have to go to the shop to buy a huge

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Speaker 4: rubber fist because you can get a rubber fists into

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Speaker 4: your house. It was like a real place for a

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Speaker 3: Okay, here we are today with the manager of the

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Speaker 3: Pleasure Chest. Best question. I mean the.

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Speaker 4: Chest what it did? So, it was a chain of

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Speaker 4: sex shops. There was four, then there was five. Actually

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Speaker 4: they opened one in Newtown. There was Oxford Street, King's Cross,

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Speaker 4: Pitt Street, and George Street. So it had sold normal

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Speaker 4: also had an interactive element to it. So it had

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Speaker 4: two dollar coin booths outside or inside but part of

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Speaker 4: the shop, and also had a video lounge at the back.

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Speaker 4: So video lounge, you paid ten dollars to get a

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Speaker 4: ticket and you go at the back. Think of that

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Speaker 4: as like a haunted house, but.

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Speaker 3: It's already haunted.

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Speaker 4: But what you're telling me it's haunted, but instead of

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Speaker 4: a instead of a haunted houseful of ghosts. Think of

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Speaker 4: it as like naked men, I thought, if that's haunted.

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Speaker 4: And then also there was private rooms where you could

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Speaker 4: go up. You could choose a dvide or video off

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Speaker 4: the shelf, pay ten dollars and fifteen dollars and rent

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Speaker 4: the room to watch the movie. But it also whatever

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Speaker 4: goes on in the room is up to you.

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Speaker 3: What you should have got. You go in there with anybody,

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Speaker 3: or you go and.

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Speaker 4: Base anybody you find on the street by yourself.

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Speaker 3: How big was the room? Normal room?

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Speaker 4: About a self? About one of these, Yeah, so not

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Speaker 4: too big. It just had like a vinyl a vinyl

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Speaker 3: Just a video whatever you wanted the watch.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'd put them on, like you choose one

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Speaker 4: and fifteen dollars for one or two people of twenty bucks.

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Speaker 3: How long do you get for that?

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Speaker 4: As long as it went for off the video, So

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Speaker 4: you've got an hour, you know, if it's a four

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Speaker 4: even though it kind of wasn't because it's on the

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Speaker 3: I remember seeing a lot of people duck in in quickly.

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Speaker 4: And then you're in the hallway, you go upstairs and

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Speaker 4: Yeah it was, but the worst stuff happened in Oxford Street.

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Speaker 4: But I can imagine getting a bit of getting a

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Speaker 4: same each of the shops had the same stuff. The

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Speaker 4: private rooms where you can watch a video. The coin

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Speaker 4: booths got the coin You go into the booth, you

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Speaker 4: put two dollars in, you choose between twenty videos. You

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Speaker 4: and then you put your thing through a whole hole.

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Speaker 4: But what happens all the guy comes into the booth

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Speaker 1: Time so it's like it's like a dollar shot.

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Speaker 4: So it's two dollars for five minutes. So every as

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Speaker 4: got to get on this microphone and go, oh, booth,

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Speaker 4: two coins please, and then the light will come on

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Speaker 4: and then you're like, right, sweet, he's paid again. No

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Speaker 4: worries and the dramas in there, yeah, heaps of times

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Speaker 4: some of the drums, the guy would one of them

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Speaker 4: say you go in, you're in the booth. All these

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Speaker 4: other guys that hang around there was just guys that

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Speaker 4: used to hang out there all day waiting.

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Speaker 1: To try and for the dick they wanted, yeah, to.

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Speaker 4: Try and get someone. And then these guys would compete

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Speaker 3: Would go in. How'd you compete?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, a guy goes into the fuck it's weird.

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Speaker 4: It's weird. A guy goes into the booth, and then

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, yeah, let's not use my fucking name.

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Speaker 4: Person goes, a person goes into one person and then

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Speaker 4: and this guy's got his money going, so you know

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Speaker 4: something's going on. These other guys can get jealous and

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Speaker 3: All for two dollars.

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Speaker 4: No about the money, it's about the.

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Speaker 1: Guy, because they want to put the hole in the guy.

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Speaker 4: All these guys are competing to suck. Oh my, these

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Speaker 4: guys used to fight as well. There was Are.

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Speaker 5: We talking like, was there a lot of straight men

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's kind of how it's That's that's how

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Speaker 4: So that's that's basically how the coin booths work, right.

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Speaker 5: We did famous people use this phone booth?

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Speaker 3: Tell me phone booth.

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Speaker 4: Toilet book. I only know one.

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Speaker 3: Who No, don't say names. I could already picture two

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Speaker 4: So I mean only on my shift, like I only

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Speaker 4: did as many shifts as I did. There's plenty of

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Speaker 4: when I'll say a famous Australian comedian, I don't want

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Speaker 3: It was someone famous and you got the you got

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Speaker 4: Who knows what he used to do, but we looked

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Speaker 4: they were like, oh so and so video cameras in there,

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Speaker 4: There used to be a girl that used to come in.

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Speaker 4: It was like this mystery in Pitt Street. Used to

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Speaker 4: like it's filthy. But I saw on the tapes as well,

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Speaker 4: that's the thing everyone I don't know, I guess everyone does.

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Speaker 3: It's only for sucking this. You can't have any sexual

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Speaker 4: Well, depending on how agile you are, you could you could, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: a picture in it. Yeah, yeah, I'm just asking. Well,

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Speaker 4: the hole's not the hole's not particularly like kind of

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Speaker 4: like a water bottle. Imagine that in like a circle.

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Speaker 1: I got to drink that in a minute.

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Speaker 5: It's the same as the bottom of a water bottle.

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Speaker 4: It's more like an oval, an oval. So then in

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Speaker 4: was called the circretorium, the secretorium. So the secretorium. Oh,

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Speaker 4: you walked up a couple of steps and it was

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Speaker 4: the same thing video booths, and you just had a

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Speaker 4: TV screen there. You didn't have to put coins in

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Speaker 4: anything because this was linked to the main screen that

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Speaker 4: a kind of a shelf, and then there's a hole

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Speaker 4: If you didn't walk up those steps, you've got the

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Speaker 4: same booth lining up. But you walk in and now

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Speaker 4: that guy who's gone up the steps there's a hole.

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Speaker 4: That hole is at head height. Does that make sense.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit confusing, It makes.

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Speaker 4: So so if you're you can be down the bottom

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Speaker 4: and there's just these dicks pointing through it. You go

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Speaker 4: the through.

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Speaker 3: There's never any trouble putting like gat through.

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Speaker 4: No, not really. One guy, one guy got his dick

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Speaker 4: cut by a razor blade on Ox the street once because.

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Speaker 1: Was going around doing that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, but he put his dick

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Speaker 4: through one of them and then came came up into

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Speaker 4: the shop and was just like holding his groin and

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Speaker 4: had blood fucking everywhere, and I'm like and I'm like, mate,

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Speaker 4: what's going on? He's like, my dick's cut and I

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Speaker 4: was like, fuck, wasn't he it was raised? I was sliced.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't sliced off, but it was just sliced, sliced horizontally.

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Speaker 1: Or like like it can they get the full thing throughpends?

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Speaker 4: How big your cock is? Well, it's only it's only

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Speaker 4: a it's like a piece of plywood. They've cut a

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Speaker 5: How many holes in the bo Yeah, just left and right,

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Speaker 1: Are you sitting in the chair? Am sitting in the

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Speaker 4: They didn't have chairs. I'm standing up standing Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you're just in a booth standing up and

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Speaker 1: You get the option or whatever you want. So what

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Speaker 3: I've got first.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know, like some like some wars when

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Speaker 4: the thing is they kind of talk, well like I

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Speaker 3: I know it's discussed disgusting.

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Speaker 4: But I was in there once with one of the

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Speaker 4: little boosts have got lights, and I was in there

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Speaker 4: I was like, I can't and I ran up to

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, mate, sorry, like I'll sort of help

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Speaker 3: Kind of vented this place.

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Speaker 4: I think the idea got is the kind.

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Speaker 3: Of just asked like without mentioned name, yep is the

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Speaker 4: This is part of the whole mystique of it. To me,

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Speaker 4: the first from what I've understood and talked to people,

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Speaker 4: like I've seen.

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Speaker 1: A lot, especially in King's Cross and then.

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Speaker 4: Extents of this and then the glory holes and things,

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Speaker 4: But the Pleasure Chest was like the first one of

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Speaker 4: the mid eighties of upstairs of the boosts and things,

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Speaker 4: and back in time they had their girls strippers and

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Speaker 4: peep shows and you know they've had the lot. But

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Speaker 4: the owners were these.

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Speaker 3: National thirty like you what do you mean like me.

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Speaker 4: British? Really yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: How do you make money down two dollars to it?

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Speaker 3: Really doesn't make much money? It was it was I'm

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Speaker 3: going to make money on what? What's the big thing there?

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Speaker 4: It? Every two dollars every five minutes? So how many

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Speaker 4: five minutes are in a week? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: How many boots are there?

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Speaker 4: There was? There were six boosts. Each entry to the

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Speaker 4: some dildo for three bucks and you sell for thirty

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Speaker 4: or the videos and the X rated you're not meant

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Speaker 4: the police didn't really do anything with it. But I

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Speaker 4: in Canberra used to just you know, I guess it's

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Speaker 4: two or three dollars selling for twenty So it's just

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Speaker 4: the margins on a lot of this stuff. It was

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Speaker 3: So what was your first night there?

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Speaker 4: Like? Why would already go out two thousand and three?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So what was in your head off your first shift?

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Speaker 3: What the fuck was gone through your head?

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Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck am I doing?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Why what made you stay?

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Speaker 4: The holes in the wall, the stuff discounts. I don't

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Speaker 4: there was just to I wasn't really doing anything. I

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Speaker 4: clubs like what you guys were all out. We'd go

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Speaker 4: of thing.

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Speaker 1: But what do you say to your mates?

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Speaker 3: You what are you doing? Where'd you wear pleasure chest?

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Speaker 3: Well that sounds what is that strip club? No?

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Speaker 4: No, I told my mom and dad that I would

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Speaker 4: come down. No me, my boss, I was, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was so scared of them knowing because I was like,

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Speaker 4: But I was like, I can't tell him this, Like

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Speaker 3: You tell me, all right, you tell me the worst

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Speaker 4: Seen in my time was probably the guy dying in

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Speaker 4: Oxford Street. That was probably the worst. A guy. It

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Speaker 4: a guy. It was the night there was a big

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Speaker 4: gay dance party on at moor Park. I can't remember

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Speaker 4: was this evil motherfucker. I don't want aiming him, Trevor,

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Speaker 4: you can fuck yourself if he's still alive, bucking hated him.

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Speaker 4: He came in and he's saying, oh, it's a big night.

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Speaker 4: You know you're going to get ready for the night.

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Speaker 4: It's a big, big bit of dance party. Because once

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Speaker 4: they go to night clubs, they go to club clubs,

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Speaker 4: So about seven pm or so, a guy comes up,

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Speaker 4: maybe two or three. I was just there just reading books,

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Speaker 4: and then he's like, no, no, you better come up

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Speaker 4: that was a cleaner, Angelo, this Chinese guy. I said, man,

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Speaker 4: just sit tight, and I locked the till, went up

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Speaker 4: I kind of pulled his pants up because his dick

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Speaker 4: pull it away, but I'm just going to fucking pull

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Speaker 4: I better, and I kind of not to do because

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'm at.

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Speaker 4: This, you know he dress. I've got this guy here

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Speaker 4: and he's on the ground. He's not moving, I don't

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Speaker 4: And I said, oh, not really, you know, and they go, okay, well,

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Speaker 4: And so I'm there in the dark. I've got this

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on. And then the lights

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Speaker 4: The lights turned on by the cleaner downstairs. So they

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Speaker 4: I don't know, he didn't look very all right, you know,

435
00:20:12,201 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 4: Like like I said, I've seen dudes knocked out before

436
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 4: and dudes passed out, but it wasn't like that. So

437
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,441
Speaker 4: within a few minutes they sort of carried him through

438
00:20:22,481 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 4: the shot on a stretcher someone's working on himself to

439
00:20:26,321 --> 00:20:30,360
Speaker 4: other dudes carrying him. And I just thought, okay, well

440
00:20:30,761 --> 00:20:34,281
Speaker 4: that's that. And I rang the manager, that evil motherfucker,

441
00:20:35,041 --> 00:20:37,721
Speaker 4: and I said to him, mate, this just happened here.

442
00:20:38,321 --> 00:20:40,401
Speaker 4: And then he came He was just it was always around,

443
00:20:40,521 --> 00:20:44,881
Speaker 4: you know, And he came in. He's going, David, this

444
00:20:44,921 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 4: is one of the busiest nights of the year tonight.

445
00:20:46,801 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 4: We need someone to work. If you can't work, you

446
00:20:48,921 --> 00:20:51,041
Speaker 4: can leave and we'll get someone in here that can work.

447
00:20:51,801 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, well, man, man, I can

448
00:20:55,001 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 4: I can work here? Like I was like, you know,

449
00:20:58,281 --> 00:20:59,881
Speaker 4: I was like twenty one. I was like a little

450
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,481
Speaker 4: bit scared, and I mean, really, looking back, I should

451
00:21:03,521 --> 00:21:05,561
Speaker 4: have said, fuck you can't, I'm out of here, go

452
00:21:05,681 --> 00:21:07,641
Speaker 4: fuck yourself, but I just kind of couldn't. I wasn't

453
00:21:07,681 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 4: assertive enough. I hadn't done enough of this shit to

454
00:21:10,721 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 4: get to that point yet. And I was just like, oh, yeah, man, like,

455
00:21:14,721 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 4: I can work, I can work. I don't worry. I

456
00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 4: don't worry. He's going, no, no, no, and he goes,

457
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 4: did you have what did he have up there? Did

458
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 4: he had amial and I said, yeah, he's got this

459
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 4: it's unopened, and he goes, look, just put it back.

460
00:21:24,441 --> 00:21:27,041
Speaker 4: We can sell it again. And I'm like, okay, so

461
00:21:27,481 --> 00:21:29,561
Speaker 4: just put it back in the fridge like it was unopened.

462
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 4: So it didn't die from it, I guess. But then

463
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 4: Trevor fucked off and me and Angelo the backup like

464
00:21:37,721 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 4: the cleaner guy. We just kind of sat there just

465
00:21:39,721 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 4: going fuck, well, that was crazy. And then twenty or

466
00:21:45,241 --> 00:21:48,761
Speaker 4: so minutes later, the two dollar booths in the private

467
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 4: rooms downstairs and office Street was below the counter, so

468
00:21:51,521 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 4: we had a video camera that could look down just

469
00:21:53,761 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 4: in the general area. And I looked down in the

470
00:21:56,521 --> 00:21:59,521
Speaker 4: camera and it was just filled with cops. Like all

471
00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 4: cops never came right, cops never came in there. It

472
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 4: was filled with cops. And then I was just like,

473
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: holy fuck, what's going on? And then just as I

474
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: sort of turned to the door, they came up and

475
00:22:09,761 --> 00:22:12,121
Speaker 4: they go, mate, this place is closed. It's a crime scene.

476
00:22:12,321 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 4: There's been to death. And I was like whoa. And

477
00:22:15,521 --> 00:22:18,801
Speaker 4: then I rang that evil come back and I go, hey, mate,

478
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,201
Speaker 4: guess what because I was like when that happened, I go, fuck,

479
00:22:22,201 --> 00:22:24,321
Speaker 4: should we like tell the police, should we do something

480
00:22:24,481 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 4: like should we should I keep letting people up in

481
00:22:26,441 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 4: the club, and he's like, well, of course we're going

482
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 4: to it's a business night of the year. And I'm like, fucking,

483
00:22:30,201 --> 00:22:33,201
Speaker 4: fucking dude might have just died up there. And then

484
00:22:33,241 --> 00:22:35,441
Speaker 4: that CoP's like, mate, this is closed. It's a crime scene.

485
00:22:35,481 --> 00:22:37,681
Speaker 4: So I was like, yes, fuck you. So I rang

486
00:22:37,721 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 4: that dude back and I go, mate, this place is

487
00:22:39,201 --> 00:22:42,041
Speaker 4: filled with cops. You better get back here. And then

488
00:22:42,041 --> 00:22:44,121
Speaker 4: he's like, oh okay. So we had to come back

489
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:46,241
Speaker 4: and I had to give him a statement. The owner

490
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,801
Speaker 4: was dialing in on his video camera because the owner

491
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,321
Speaker 4: could watch, and he rang me up and he was

492
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,321
Speaker 4: actually really good. I liked him. And he was like,

493
00:22:54,321 --> 00:22:56,761
Speaker 4: how are you right, David, like house things, and I go,

494
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 4: I'm all right, man, it's just a bit wild, you know,

495
00:23:00,561 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 4: and he goes, don't don't say anything to him that.

496
00:23:03,961 --> 00:23:06,761
Speaker 4: You don't need to say thing. Just tell them what happened,

497
00:23:08,681 --> 00:23:10,081
Speaker 4: you know, we'll work it out kind of thing.

498
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 3: The police when they came through that they have to

499
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,201
Speaker 3: get everyone out of the boops and all like that.

500
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 4: We did, yeah, well there was only like two guys

501
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,401
Speaker 4: in there. Like when I went up to. I think

502
00:23:18,441 --> 00:23:20,481
Speaker 4: actually the guy I might have gone because it wasn't busy.

503
00:23:20,481 --> 00:23:23,721
Speaker 4: It was early on in Saturday evening, so just there

504
00:23:23,761 --> 00:23:25,521
Speaker 4: was one other guy that was up there during it.

505
00:23:25,561 --> 00:23:28,561
Speaker 4: But I think probably once it was all happening and

506
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,561
Speaker 4: the house lights turned on, people are just like, I

507
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,961
Speaker 4: don't want to be a part of this. They're fucking

508
00:23:31,961 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 4: out of there. So I don't think there was anyone

509
00:23:33,521 --> 00:23:37,241
Speaker 4: really up there. You know, it's early Saturday evening, it

510
00:23:37,281 --> 00:23:40,841
Speaker 4: didn't get too busy. But then yeah, we just gave

511
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 4: statements to them and then that was it. He was

512
00:23:44,441 --> 00:23:47,801
Speaker 4: a thirty seven year old dude from Gymea that I

513
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: found out later. I talked to one of the cops

514
00:23:49,921 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 4: and I said like, what are you going to say

515
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 4: about it? And they said, oh, we'll tell his family

516
00:23:56,201 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 4: that he was found in the street, and I was like,

517
00:23:59,721 --> 00:24:00,241
Speaker 4: I guess.

518
00:24:00,041 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: That's probably better than getting found in the.

519
00:24:03,441 --> 00:24:06,561
Speaker 4: Secretory and him. Yeah, I used to think I spent

520
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 4: a lot of time thinking about like, how do you

521
00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:13,201
Speaker 4: own this? How do you what I'm talking about? How

522
00:24:13,281 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 4: is this a thing that you're happy to own and

523
00:24:15,481 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 4: be a part of.

524
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,041
Speaker 1: But what could you work there?

525
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,041
Speaker 3: That's my thing? Like I would be going home mentally.

526
00:24:20,681 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: Fucked well exactly because I was only getting paid fifteen

527
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,281
Speaker 4: dollars an hour. The fuck you got caught up in

528
00:24:26,321 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 4: the whole scene.

529
00:24:26,961 --> 00:24:28,561
Speaker 1: I got caught up and just know, but like, can

530
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,481
Speaker 1: you imagine going home?

531
00:24:29,561 --> 00:24:31,881
Speaker 3: Wow, that was a fucking mad shift that one fuck

532
00:24:31,921 --> 00:24:33,801
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And to clean up that ship,

533
00:24:34,041 --> 00:24:34,761
Speaker 3: Yeah you clean that.

534
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,201
Speaker 4: I didn't clean it. That we had clean it's called

535
00:24:37,201 --> 00:24:39,001
Speaker 4: the backups. They used to get paid eight bucks an hour.

536
00:24:39,281 --> 00:24:39,961
Speaker 1: Eight bucks an.

537
00:24:41,481 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, So did you have a lot of like you know,

538
00:24:45,481 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 5: we talked about, but did you have a lot of

539
00:24:47,441 --> 00:24:49,401
Speaker 5: businessmen or that going there like that?

540
00:24:49,521 --> 00:24:50,521
Speaker 4: We're just duck in on.

541
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: The older businessmen. Did you know w they were doctors?

542
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 3: Did you know they were you know some people?

543
00:24:55,241 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we knew at every at every shop had

544
00:24:58,481 --> 00:25:01,681
Speaker 4: had everyone, you know, Pitt Street and George Street. They

545
00:25:01,681 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 4: were a bit tamer And one of the funny things

546
00:25:03,921 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: that Pitt Street used to be because people are going

547
00:25:05,521 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 4: there and their lunch breaks. I was thinking about this

548
00:25:09,521 --> 00:25:11,481
Speaker 4: the other day that the times have changed as well,

549
00:25:11,481 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: Like you know, people don't take briefcases anymore, Like you know,

550
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,001
Speaker 4: you don't take a suitcase to work because it's just

551
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,161
Speaker 4: kind of gone. But two thousand and three kind of did.

552
00:25:19,201 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 4: And at lunchtime there'd be this fucking stack of briefcases

553
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 4: behind the counter because they'd leave there. You know, you'd

554
00:25:24,961 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: leave your bag behind the counter and go up to

555
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 4: the club, and they just used to be this pile

556
00:25:28,681 --> 00:25:31,281
Speaker 4: of briefcases. Of all these dudes, they are probably married.

557
00:25:32,321 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: That's It's the same with Paul.

558
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,961
Speaker 3: They used to come on a Tuesday. It was always

559
00:25:35,961 --> 00:25:38,801
Speaker 3: a Tuesday and Wednesday night late. But they never came

560
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,641
Speaker 3: to see the girls. It was they always to see

561
00:25:40,681 --> 00:25:43,881
Speaker 3: that the trainees in that we had there.

562
00:25:44,441 --> 00:25:47,041
Speaker 1: It was always there's two trainees.

563
00:25:46,921 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: And fucking porkies. They only came to see them and

564
00:25:50,041 --> 00:25:52,161
Speaker 3: the girls them to Trannees made a lot of money

565
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: from these doctors, you know what I mean. So I

566
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,801
Speaker 3: can just imagine doctors and like that. But they were

567
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,081
Speaker 3: fucking You think you see this person in real life

568
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,241
Speaker 3: and you think you wouldn't notice that what he does,

569
00:26:01,801 --> 00:26:03,561
Speaker 3: but you camely spend thousands in one day.

570
00:26:04,041 --> 00:26:06,801
Speaker 4: Some guys, I mean, they didn't have I guess we

571
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,801
Speaker 4: didn't really have the capacity for people. It's not like

572
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,561
Speaker 4: Porky's where you can spend as much as you want,

573
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,281
Speaker 4: giving tips, buying drinks, doing whatever. It wasn't really that

574
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: in the shop, like there's only so many fucking dildos

575
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,801
Speaker 4: you could buy watch a purpose. But there would be

576
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 4: guys that would come in and you know, they've got money,

577
00:26:22,681 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 4: they're well dressed, they've they've maybe they've got a hooker,

578
00:26:26,481 --> 00:26:30,281
Speaker 4: maybe they've got one of the war boys. The war

579
00:26:30,321 --> 00:26:33,801
Speaker 4: boys were like the male prostitutes used to be back

580
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 4: in the day. Did they bring in young boys like

581
00:26:36,481 --> 00:26:37,281
Speaker 4: the young.

582
00:26:37,201 --> 00:26:37,961
Speaker 1: They look young?

583
00:26:38,241 --> 00:26:40,281
Speaker 4: I think back in the day before my time, there

584
00:26:40,441 --> 00:26:43,041
Speaker 4: was definitely, because I think back in the day it

585
00:26:43,201 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 4: was people because I'd be like, I'd be reading books

586
00:26:46,281 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 4: of the Cross and I was obsessed with all this stuff,

587
00:26:49,321 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 4: and I'd just be reading about the history and I

588
00:26:52,201 --> 00:26:57,281
Speaker 4: loved all the the old the old mafia stuff, the

589
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 4: characters Saffron, Jim Anderson, all that era, and I was

590
00:27:00,961 --> 00:27:02,801
Speaker 4: just obsessed with So I'd just be there reading books

591
00:27:02,801 --> 00:27:05,561
Speaker 4: and guys that come in and say, oh, you you

592
00:27:05,561 --> 00:27:07,201
Speaker 4: know you're reading about this, and they'd be, oh, look

593
00:27:07,201 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 4: back in the day, blah blah blah, and they tell

594
00:27:08,721 --> 00:27:10,561
Speaker 4: me stories about what it used to be like and

595
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,281
Speaker 4: that was when I think people did used to take

596
00:27:12,321 --> 00:27:15,521
Speaker 4: actual boys in there, and it was just a shooting gallery.

597
00:27:15,721 --> 00:27:18,041
Speaker 4: Like there was no premise of like would you like

598
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,321
Speaker 4: to watch a video for an hour? It was just like, yep,

599
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,441
Speaker 4: give me ten bucks, go use that room, don't die,

600
00:27:22,481 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing.

601
00:27:23,201 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: Get really for me.

602
00:27:25,521 --> 00:27:27,241
Speaker 4: But there was a few. There was still some war

603
00:27:27,281 --> 00:27:32,321
Speaker 4: boys when I was there, but they were seemed to

604
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,481
Speaker 4: be over eighteen. They'd be dudes that would come from

605
00:27:35,561 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 4: the country, maybe they've got a bit of a drug problem.

606
00:27:39,201 --> 00:27:41,441
Speaker 4: They come, you know, come to the Cross, like back

607
00:27:41,441 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: when the Cross that's kind of a destination, like you know,

608
00:27:43,561 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 4: backpackers would go there. Everyone would go there. So if

609
00:27:45,681 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: you come from some random town, you're not going to

610
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 4: go to fucking Hornsby or banks down, You're going to

611
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: go to the Cross. Then if you've got a drug problem,

612
00:27:52,441 --> 00:27:55,561
Speaker 4: if you don't have enough cash, who knows what. This

613
00:27:55,761 --> 00:27:58,081
Speaker 4: was a place where they guys would meet them down

614
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,281
Speaker 4: on the street, bring them in and say, oh, you know,

615
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: fifty bucks, to suck me off for a hundred bucks

616
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: or whatever the fuck it was. They'd go into these

617
00:28:04,681 --> 00:28:08,641
Speaker 4: rooms and then that was it. But we used to

618
00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 4: try and discourage the war boys because they were always

619
00:28:14,201 --> 00:28:18,561
Speaker 4: a problem. Same with the trainnies. Sounds a bit UNPC

620
00:28:18,721 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 4: these days, but fucking whatever, because the drug use, the

621
00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:27,801
Speaker 4: how irrational they can be. And it didn't take long

622
00:28:27,921 --> 00:28:30,281
Speaker 4: for me to you know, I told you about that robbery,

623
00:28:30,281 --> 00:28:31,761
Speaker 4: which you could talk about, but it didn't take me

624
00:28:31,801 --> 00:28:35,921
Speaker 4: long to realize. And I'm like, I'm I'm one dude

625
00:28:35,961 --> 00:28:40,561
Speaker 4: in here. I'm not like you with all the boys

626
00:28:40,601 --> 00:28:43,041
Speaker 4: around you every night, you know. And I'm also not

627
00:28:43,081 --> 00:28:44,761
Speaker 4: your size, So what the fuck am I going to do?

628
00:28:44,761 --> 00:28:48,321
Speaker 4: On twenty one? I'm going to try and control this

629
00:28:48,521 --> 00:28:50,641
Speaker 4: environment as much as I can, or else something bad

630
00:28:50,641 --> 00:28:53,961
Speaker 4: could happen. And these war boys, you know, they've got

631
00:28:53,961 --> 00:28:55,881
Speaker 4: needles on them. Some of them had knives on them.

632
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,641
Speaker 4: They'd often steal wallets off people. So you go into

633
00:28:59,641 --> 00:29:02,441
Speaker 4: one of these rooms of one of these guys you're

634
00:29:02,441 --> 00:29:04,761
Speaker 4: paying money. He says, I'm going to go take a

635
00:29:04,761 --> 00:29:06,961
Speaker 4: piss and then he fucks off, and then you're going,

636
00:29:07,001 --> 00:29:08,601
Speaker 4: what he's ripped me off? And then he comes up

637
00:29:08,601 --> 00:29:10,121
Speaker 4: and he's got a problem with you, saying I want

638
00:29:10,121 --> 00:29:12,401
Speaker 4: my money back. He took my wallet, and I'm like, man,

639
00:29:12,401 --> 00:29:14,921
Speaker 4: it's not my problem. You fucking went in a dirty

640
00:29:15,001 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: room with a war boy, like bad luck. But but

641
00:29:18,161 --> 00:29:23,321
Speaker 4: it causes a it causes a situation, and is it

642
00:29:23,361 --> 00:29:25,041
Speaker 4: a situation you want to deal with a lot of

643
00:29:25,041 --> 00:29:26,681
Speaker 4: the time. But then these war boys that come in.

644
00:29:26,681 --> 00:29:30,321
Speaker 4: There was one guy I really fucking hated. He fucking

645
00:29:30,321 --> 00:29:34,521
Speaker 4: threw a punch at me one time, but I'd try

646
00:29:34,601 --> 00:29:37,841
Speaker 4: not to get him in just to because it just

647
00:29:37,881 --> 00:29:39,881
Speaker 4: caused ship And that was that was sort of like

648
00:29:39,921 --> 00:29:43,361
Speaker 4: the management directive as well. You know what war you

649
00:29:43,441 --> 00:29:45,481
Speaker 4: just know you see him all the time. You see

650
00:29:45,521 --> 00:29:48,881
Speaker 4: them in the streets. They hang out with like right

651
00:29:48,921 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: next to right next to where Oxford Street was, there

652
00:29:51,281 --> 00:29:54,321
Speaker 4: was maybe one of John's nightclubs right next door. Oh

653
00:29:54,481 --> 00:29:56,641
Speaker 4: SUSI cues you know where the news agent was.

654
00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:58,841
Speaker 3: You have haven and then never mind next week.

655
00:29:58,961 --> 00:30:01,201
Speaker 4: Never mind, never mind. Yeah, so just there. So during

656
00:30:01,241 --> 00:30:04,401
Speaker 4: the day, like during the night that'd be pumping nightclub,

657
00:30:04,401 --> 00:30:06,361
Speaker 4: they'd be bounce and lines. But then during the day

658
00:30:06,401 --> 00:30:08,001
Speaker 4: they'd all just sort of sit in the doorstep and

659
00:30:08,001 --> 00:30:09,961
Speaker 4: they'd all be fucked and whatever. But so you'd see

660
00:30:09,961 --> 00:30:13,281
Speaker 4: these guys all the time. You'd see you just see

661
00:30:13,321 --> 00:30:15,841
Speaker 4: them in the area so you know that they're you know,

662
00:30:15,881 --> 00:30:18,321
Speaker 4: they're war boys. You know, they look like drug users.

663
00:30:18,761 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 4: They just look fucked and you just say, yep, that's

664
00:30:21,401 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 4: you just kind of know them, you know, but you

665
00:30:23,841 --> 00:30:26,881
Speaker 4: tried not to, you tried to discourage them in because

666
00:30:26,921 --> 00:30:31,081
Speaker 4: it just you know, they stole off people, they caused fights.

667
00:30:32,601 --> 00:30:35,721
Speaker 4: Just I mean, it's it's I feel bad for them,

668
00:30:36,041 --> 00:30:39,201
Speaker 4: you know, because I understand at the time, I didn't

669
00:30:39,241 --> 00:30:41,561
Speaker 4: necessarily feel bad because at the time, I was just like,

670
00:30:42,161 --> 00:30:44,321
Speaker 4: I'm just looking after myself here. You can fuck off,

671
00:30:44,481 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 4: like I don't care about whatever your problem is. Made like,

672
00:30:48,521 --> 00:30:50,281
Speaker 4: I don't care if you're a drug addict or whatever.

673
00:30:50,521 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: But as I've gotten older and I think back on it,

674
00:30:52,241 --> 00:30:53,961
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, fuck, I feel bad for those dudes

675
00:30:54,001 --> 00:30:56,561
Speaker 4: because whatever's happened to them, and a lot of them die,

676
00:30:56,961 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: a lot of them overdose and die, you know, and

677
00:30:59,201 --> 00:31:01,361
Speaker 4: they have been doing that since the eighties and the seventies.

678
00:31:01,441 --> 00:31:04,401
Speaker 4: There that's just what just what it is, what it is.

679
00:31:04,521 --> 00:31:06,961
Speaker 4: It was. Yeah, there was one guy that I'll tell

680
00:31:06,961 --> 00:31:08,401
Speaker 4: you about him because I've got to give him a

681
00:31:08,441 --> 00:31:11,161
Speaker 4: bit of a shout out. There was a guy called

682
00:31:11,201 --> 00:31:15,481
Speaker 4: Ben and he used to really make me sad he

683
00:31:16,321 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: had he had. I don't know. I mean, you know,

684
00:31:20,241 --> 00:31:22,641
Speaker 4: people talk and people talk shit and make up stories

685
00:31:22,641 --> 00:31:25,121
Speaker 4: and whatnot. Someone said that his dad was in the

686
00:31:25,361 --> 00:31:29,681
Speaker 4: Italian mafia and he at some point, I don't know,

687
00:31:30,561 --> 00:31:33,161
Speaker 4: his mum met his dad and he lived in Italy

688
00:31:33,201 --> 00:31:37,161
Speaker 4: for a while and he came back. Something happened to

689
00:31:37,201 --> 00:31:41,361
Speaker 4: his mum in Melbourne. People saying that the dad got

690
00:31:41,401 --> 00:31:43,961
Speaker 4: her killed or something like that. Maybe it's a bit

691
00:31:44,001 --> 00:31:46,641
Speaker 4: hard to remember. Anyway, Ben ended up ends up on

692
00:31:46,641 --> 00:31:49,881
Speaker 4: the street in Sydney. He was older than what he

693
00:31:49,961 --> 00:31:55,481
Speaker 4: looked for a drug addicted street dude. He looked quite good,

694
00:31:56,041 --> 00:31:58,681
Speaker 4: I guess, and I always thought he was like sixteen.

695
00:31:58,761 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: When I first met him, I was like, wow, this

696
00:32:00,601 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: is one of these war boys, you know. But I

697
00:32:02,721 --> 00:32:05,681
Speaker 4: found out he was like twenty seven and he could

698
00:32:05,721 --> 00:32:08,561
Speaker 4: speak fluent Italian. One of the other guys that worked

699
00:32:08,561 --> 00:32:10,921
Speaker 4: there was Italian and he'd speak to Ben and he'd

700
00:32:10,921 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: always kind of look after him a bit, and he

701
00:32:13,041 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: was Ben was real polite. He wouldn't fuck around in

702
00:32:15,241 --> 00:32:18,521
Speaker 4: the shop. The manager, that evil guy that I said,

703
00:32:18,601 --> 00:32:20,481
Speaker 4: he never want to Ben in there because Ben had

704
00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:22,921
Speaker 4: just had pants on sometimes no shoes, he's got scabs

705
00:32:22,961 --> 00:32:26,321
Speaker 4: on him. He's fucking he's like this. But he was

706
00:32:26,361 --> 00:32:27,961
Speaker 4: real polite to you, and he was nice. And he'd

707
00:32:27,961 --> 00:32:30,521
Speaker 4: always asked me for money, and I'd give him like

708
00:32:30,561 --> 00:32:33,401
Speaker 4: five bucks or ten bucks, and because he'd asked me

709
00:32:33,481 --> 00:32:37,161
Speaker 4: about like my girlfriend or how's work, or he still

710
00:32:37,201 --> 00:32:41,201
Speaker 4: had something there in him. But he was so far

711
00:32:41,321 --> 00:32:43,801
Speaker 4: gone and fucked at the same time. And you know what,

712
00:32:43,841 --> 00:32:48,161
Speaker 4: there was this I used to let him escape through

713
00:32:48,201 --> 00:32:51,041
Speaker 4: the back of the shop because there was this fucking guy.

714
00:32:52,681 --> 00:32:56,281
Speaker 4: I couldn't work out if he was a cop. He

715
00:32:56,361 --> 00:32:59,041
Speaker 4: used to say he was a cop. And I did

716
00:32:59,121 --> 00:33:02,561
Speaker 4: actually see him in the Downing Center years later, carrying

717
00:33:02,601 --> 00:33:06,001
Speaker 4: like briefs and whatever, and I'm like, that's a fucking

718
00:33:06,041 --> 00:33:08,081
Speaker 4: guy from years ago, like you know, just bull my

719
00:33:08,161 --> 00:33:11,441
Speaker 4: saw him again. I still don't think he was a cop,

720
00:33:11,481 --> 00:33:13,681
Speaker 4: but I don't know what he was. But he was

721
00:33:13,761 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: always after Ben, saying Ben's dealing drugs, Ben's this, bend's that,

722
00:33:18,121 --> 00:33:20,161
Speaker 4: And I'm like, the fucking it's Oxford Street mate half

723
00:33:20,241 --> 00:33:22,601
Speaker 4: the streets dealing drugs, Like why are you picking on

724
00:33:22,641 --> 00:33:24,561
Speaker 4: this pool cunt with like who's only got pants on?

725
00:33:25,121 --> 00:33:25,361
Speaker 6: You know?

726
00:33:25,441 --> 00:33:28,241
Speaker 4: And so Ben was constantly on the run from this guy.

727
00:33:28,721 --> 00:33:30,881
Speaker 4: And Ben had come into the shop and like in

728
00:33:31,121 --> 00:33:34,481
Speaker 4: just you know, you know, all flustered, Dave, Dave, can

729
00:33:34,481 --> 00:33:36,601
Speaker 4: you let me out the back? And because out the

730
00:33:36,601 --> 00:33:38,601
Speaker 4: back you go into the club in Oxford Street, up

731
00:33:38,601 --> 00:33:40,681
Speaker 4: the stairs. But if you kept going you go into

732
00:33:40,721 --> 00:33:44,281
Speaker 4: little Oxas Street. There was an emergency door. So I'd

733
00:33:44,361 --> 00:33:47,801
Speaker 4: let Ben escape. He'd run through the store, he'd go

734
00:33:47,881 --> 00:33:50,361
Speaker 4: out the back, he'd bowled out into Little Oxa Street,

735
00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:52,121
Speaker 4: and then he'd fuck off into the night. And then

736
00:33:52,161 --> 00:33:54,361
Speaker 4: this dude would always come in, where's Ben? Where's Ben?

737
00:33:54,401 --> 00:33:55,721
Speaker 4: I'm like, mate, get the fuck out of here. I

738
00:33:55,721 --> 00:33:58,401
Speaker 4: don't know who Ben is. And he's just like he's

739
00:33:58,441 --> 00:34:02,001
Speaker 4: selling drugs. He's selling drugs and it's not my problem,

740
00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 4: like you know, do you want to fucking deal it

741
00:34:04,361 --> 00:34:06,641
Speaker 4: or what do you want here? Like get out? But

742
00:34:06,761 --> 00:34:10,481
Speaker 4: he just had this thing about Ben. This dude and Ben,

743
00:34:11,561 --> 00:34:14,601
Speaker 4: I mean, you could you arrest him, charge him? He

744
00:34:14,681 --> 00:34:17,641
Speaker 4: probably won't turn up to court, Like the police knew him.

745
00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:19,921
Speaker 4: Everyone knows all these guys, they're all known, you know,

746
00:34:20,441 --> 00:34:23,441
Speaker 4: they like you could arrest him, put him in jail

747
00:34:23,481 --> 00:34:25,361
Speaker 4: for a night or a week, he'll come back out

748
00:34:25,361 --> 00:34:27,761
Speaker 4: to be on the street. So there's almost like no point.

749
00:34:28,241 --> 00:34:31,961
Speaker 4: They're just just like that. I hadn't thought of Ben

750
00:34:32,041 --> 00:34:36,241
Speaker 4: for a long time, and then I saw him a

751
00:34:36,281 --> 00:34:38,681
Speaker 4: couple of years ago. I was in the back of

752
00:34:38,721 --> 00:34:42,361
Speaker 4: Surry Hills walking along with the mate and I just

753
00:34:42,401 --> 00:34:44,561
Speaker 4: saw him and it was like it was like going

754
00:34:44,601 --> 00:34:49,641
Speaker 4: back in time and he knew me. Yeah, just the same, older,

755
00:34:49,801 --> 00:34:52,161
Speaker 4: looked a bit more fucked, but just still the same.

756
00:34:52,241 --> 00:34:54,321
Speaker 4: How does he last all those chees on the street.

757
00:34:54,441 --> 00:34:57,001
Speaker 4: But they do, they do. They last become street wise,

758
00:34:57,121 --> 00:34:59,081
Speaker 4: they last long. I don't know how they do, but

759
00:34:59,121 --> 00:35:01,441
Speaker 4: they do. And he he saw me and he recognized me,

760
00:35:01,441 --> 00:35:03,081
Speaker 4: you know. He goes hey, Dave, and I go, hey, man.

761
00:35:03,081 --> 00:35:05,441
Speaker 4: He came and gave me a hug, man, how are

762
00:35:05,481 --> 00:35:07,841
Speaker 4: you doing? Like you're right, and he's going, oh, I'm

763
00:35:07,841 --> 00:35:10,681
Speaker 4: going to see this guy because he was always hooking

764
00:35:10,761 --> 00:35:13,001
Speaker 4: up with rich older dudes. They'd get him around to

765
00:35:13,001 --> 00:35:16,281
Speaker 4: his house and they'd pay him and like, you know,

766
00:35:16,401 --> 00:35:19,721
Speaker 4: let's just how it worked. And he goes, oh, have

767
00:35:19,761 --> 00:35:21,481
Speaker 4: you got like twenty bucks? And I said, yeah, man,

768
00:35:21,521 --> 00:35:24,321
Speaker 4: I'm like, just take care of yourself. Aith like I'd

769
00:35:24,321 --> 00:35:26,201
Speaker 4: always give him money. He's probably always using that money

770
00:35:26,201 --> 00:35:29,641
Speaker 4: for drugs. But fuck, what am I going to do.

771
00:35:29,761 --> 00:35:32,201
Speaker 4: I don't help him by sort of saying no, So

772
00:35:32,281 --> 00:35:33,961
Speaker 4: I just give him the money and say, yeah, man,

773
00:35:34,041 --> 00:35:37,561
Speaker 4: like look after yourself. A But I don't know what

774
00:35:37,561 --> 00:35:41,081
Speaker 4: happened to him, Like I haven't that was well, I

775
00:35:41,081 --> 00:35:43,401
Speaker 4: don't know when that would be twenty fourteen, maybe twenty thirteen,

776
00:35:43,441 --> 00:35:46,001
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. That was the last time I saw him.

777
00:35:46,081 --> 00:35:48,041
Speaker 4: I don't know what would have happen to him, but he,

778
00:35:48,921 --> 00:35:50,881
Speaker 4: like I said, some of those other ones I couldn't stand.

779
00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: They just weren't nice. So missed the place in a way. Yeah,

780
00:35:55,641 --> 00:35:59,321
Speaker 4: sort of sounds strange, But I missed the excitement of it.

781
00:35:59,561 --> 00:36:02,761
Speaker 4: I is the the linelight. Yeah, the excitement of like

782
00:36:04,041 --> 00:36:06,801
Speaker 4: just being in there on a on a Friday or

783
00:36:06,841 --> 00:36:08,601
Speaker 4: Saturday night and you're like, I don't know what's going

784
00:36:08,681 --> 00:36:13,121
Speaker 4: to happen tonight, what's gonna what? You know? I could

785
00:36:13,161 --> 00:36:14,641
Speaker 4: have had some other job. I mean I probably should

786
00:36:14,641 --> 00:36:15,321
Speaker 4: have done apprenticeship.

787
00:36:15,321 --> 00:36:17,401
Speaker 3: I don't think you could ever start off anyone could

788
00:36:17,761 --> 00:36:20,121
Speaker 3: say that they could start off with a job like

789
00:36:20,241 --> 00:36:22,561
Speaker 3: he started offers. I want to go back to cleaning

790
00:36:22,921 --> 00:36:24,161
Speaker 3: you want to you want to go You want to

791
00:36:24,161 --> 00:36:25,841
Speaker 3: be a cleaner? No, I want to.

792
00:36:26,681 --> 00:36:28,721
Speaker 5: A cleaner gets eight bucks an hour to deal with

793
00:36:28,761 --> 00:36:29,281
Speaker 5: that ship.

794
00:36:29,321 --> 00:36:32,641
Speaker 4: That's fucking bullshit. Yeah, so the cleaners they used to get,

795
00:36:33,121 --> 00:36:35,321
Speaker 4: Yeah a big guys that came to Australia on a

796
00:36:35,361 --> 00:36:37,561
Speaker 4: holiday or something. But they don't they don't have a

797
00:36:37,561 --> 00:36:38,041
Speaker 4: work visa.

798
00:36:38,121 --> 00:36:39,761
Speaker 1: They but they don't know what they get themselves in for.

799
00:36:40,081 --> 00:36:42,281
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of them didn't. Angelo, that guy was saying,

800
00:36:42,281 --> 00:36:45,041
Speaker 4: the Chinese guy. He started off as like weird clean

801
00:36:45,081 --> 00:36:48,081
Speaker 4: as that came in at six am, two guys, Angelo

802
00:36:48,121 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: and this other dude and they did a full clean

803
00:36:50,001 --> 00:36:53,281
Speaker 4: of the place. And then Angelo started working for us

804
00:36:54,081 --> 00:36:57,321
Speaker 4: as a cleaner. So the role of these cleaners as

805
00:36:57,321 --> 00:36:59,001
Speaker 4: well though I kind of called backups as well.

806
00:36:59,041 --> 00:37:00,041
Speaker 3: That was the role.

807
00:37:00,041 --> 00:37:02,121
Speaker 4: They weren't allowed to touch the till and to get

808
00:37:02,121 --> 00:37:04,961
Speaker 4: behind the counter, but they'd kind of float between stores

809
00:37:05,241 --> 00:37:07,401
Speaker 4: so you could have a lunch break, you could go

810
00:37:07,441 --> 00:37:11,401
Speaker 4: out for a smoke, and at nighttime, at nighttime they'd

811
00:37:11,481 --> 00:37:14,601
Speaker 4: usually just stay. They'd go between those other shops OxyS

812
00:37:14,601 --> 00:37:17,721
Speaker 4: Street and Pittstreet, sorry, Pitt Street and George Street, and

813
00:37:17,761 --> 00:37:20,721
Speaker 4: then they'd usually stay at King's Cross or Oxord Street,

814
00:37:20,761 --> 00:37:23,481
Speaker 4: depending on which one was busier on the night. But

815
00:37:23,601 --> 00:37:27,361
Speaker 4: I never used to, like, yeah, I was friends with him.

816
00:37:27,401 --> 00:37:29,521
Speaker 4: They're all cool, and I'd never let them like Angelo,

817
00:37:29,721 --> 00:37:34,321
Speaker 4: that Chinese guy he was there with that dead body.

818
00:37:34,481 --> 00:37:36,081
Speaker 4: He'd come in when I was hungover and he'd be

819
00:37:36,081 --> 00:37:38,521
Speaker 4: doing Chinese pressure points on me and shit, and he'd

820
00:37:38,561 --> 00:37:40,401
Speaker 4: go to this restaurant around the corner, and because he

821
00:37:40,401 --> 00:37:42,441
Speaker 4: could speak Chinese to these guys, they'd make us up

822
00:37:42,481 --> 00:37:44,801
Speaker 4: these big feasts. But he was sending money back to

823
00:37:44,841 --> 00:37:49,441
Speaker 4: his family in China. He was studying English. But I

824
00:37:49,521 --> 00:37:53,561
Speaker 4: never used to I never used to let them do

825
00:37:53,721 --> 00:37:56,081
Speaker 4: much because I was like, fuck it, you're getting paid.

826
00:37:56,081 --> 00:37:59,081
Speaker 4: Fuck all like for you until well yeah, well a

827
00:37:59,081 --> 00:38:00,001
Speaker 4: little bit more.

828
00:38:00,081 --> 00:38:02,041
Speaker 5: Two thousand and three there that was probably about the

829
00:38:02,081 --> 00:38:03,641
Speaker 5: right rate. Fifteen bucks an.

830
00:38:03,521 --> 00:38:05,881
Speaker 1: Now it's twenty hour work in that place.

831
00:38:07,521 --> 00:38:08,881
Speaker 5: Wouldn't enough work?

832
00:38:10,281 --> 00:38:13,041
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you have security on that door? No?

833
00:38:13,161 --> 00:38:16,481
Speaker 4: Well this is the thing. No security, So I'm the security.

834
00:38:17,281 --> 00:38:20,841
Speaker 4: So that's what. That's what, and not like my stories

835
00:38:20,841 --> 00:38:21,881
Speaker 4: are unique, right, because it was.

836
00:38:22,041 --> 00:38:24,081
Speaker 3: You probably need it, really, but you would in a

837
00:38:24,121 --> 00:38:27,321
Speaker 3: way was sometimes can imagine being a security guard on

838
00:38:27,361 --> 00:38:30,641
Speaker 3: that can you remove this person from well from what

839
00:38:31,281 --> 00:38:32,081
Speaker 3: how do I do that?

840
00:38:32,721 --> 00:38:34,361
Speaker 4: Get to dick out the whole and come with me.

841
00:38:35,161 --> 00:38:37,041
Speaker 4: We have we started to get At some point they

842
00:38:37,041 --> 00:38:39,161
Speaker 4: started to get security at ox the street just because

843
00:38:39,161 --> 00:38:39,801
Speaker 4: of that nightclub.

844
00:38:39,841 --> 00:38:42,401
Speaker 1: Next thing, I remember that there was a double We would.

845
00:38:42,281 --> 00:38:45,001
Speaker 4: Because then we got a guy just just to kind

846
00:38:45,001 --> 00:38:47,201
Speaker 4: of keep the doorway clear because there were so many people.

847
00:38:48,681 --> 00:38:52,121
Speaker 4: So we'd get this security because I look at the

848
00:38:52,201 --> 00:38:55,401
Speaker 4: job he's just got. Yeah, well he was mostly to

849
00:38:55,481 --> 00:38:58,561
Speaker 4: keep the door opened and not let all the nightclub

850
00:38:58,601 --> 00:39:01,721
Speaker 4: people just blog because it just even though all the

851
00:39:01,801 --> 00:39:04,161
Speaker 4: nightclub stuff was good for business because they come into

852
00:39:04,641 --> 00:39:06,681
Speaker 4: really yeah well.

853
00:39:06,601 --> 00:39:08,441
Speaker 1: Well from our club, from like John's clubs.

854
00:39:08,521 --> 00:39:10,441
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's just what you know. It's like the

855
00:39:10,761 --> 00:39:13,561
Speaker 4: pizza shop, all the the newsage and you know, all

856
00:39:13,561 --> 00:39:14,881
Speaker 4: the businesses around.

857
00:39:14,921 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: You're telling me someone from DCMS went in there. Oh

858
00:39:18,081 --> 00:39:19,081
Speaker 3: my fucking girl.

859
00:39:21,041 --> 00:39:21,441
Speaker 4: Friends.

860
00:39:22,321 --> 00:39:24,241
Speaker 1: Listen, no one, none of my friends that are in that.

861
00:39:26,361 --> 00:39:28,001
Speaker 4: Maybe not your mates, but I mean like groups of

862
00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,161
Speaker 4: girls out in the town. You know, they're going to

863
00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:32,241
Speaker 4: a nightclub. They come into a shop a club at

864
00:39:32,241 --> 00:39:34,641
Speaker 4: the top. We called it a club, but it was

865
00:39:34,681 --> 00:39:37,521
Speaker 4: just a big, dark maze. So it wasn't it like

866
00:39:37,561 --> 00:39:39,801
Speaker 4: a DJ club? No, no, no, we called we called

867
00:39:39,801 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: it a club. There was like sort of some music

868
00:39:42,001 --> 00:39:43,881
Speaker 4: that was just on. It's all dark and you can't

869
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:45,721
Speaker 4: see anything, kind of you can see a little bit.

870
00:39:45,841 --> 00:39:47,161
Speaker 3: But what was that for then?

871
00:39:47,201 --> 00:39:48,881
Speaker 4: So is that it's not dancing or nothing. It was

872
00:39:48,921 --> 00:39:51,921
Speaker 4: just no, it's just walking around naked and doing drugs

873
00:39:52,001 --> 00:39:54,401
Speaker 4: and getting fucked and going to the suckatorium or watching

874
00:39:54,441 --> 00:39:57,561
Speaker 4: the porno. TV came up with that. So that was

875
00:39:57,601 --> 00:40:02,321
Speaker 4: just go upstairs taking taking a year off. Well you

876
00:40:02,521 --> 00:40:05,121
Speaker 4: just well that's up to you whatever you were if

877
00:40:05,121 --> 00:40:05,521
Speaker 4: you want.

878
00:40:05,361 --> 00:40:07,201
Speaker 5: To leave him, so you could just strip up at

879
00:40:07,201 --> 00:40:09,041
Speaker 5: the door of leave him in a pile anywhere.

880
00:40:09,881 --> 00:40:12,681
Speaker 4: Well, one time at Oxford Street, I was there one

881
00:40:12,721 --> 00:40:17,281
Speaker 4: morning and Sunday mornings and Saturday mornings. That when the

882
00:40:17,321 --> 00:40:19,681
Speaker 4: sun's coming up and stuff. That's usually when a lot

883
00:40:19,721 --> 00:40:21,521
Speaker 4: of the weird shit used to happen. There'd be a

884
00:40:21,561 --> 00:40:24,001
Speaker 4: bit of a lull or too yeah, and that's when

885
00:40:24,041 --> 00:40:26,201
Speaker 4: the stuff used to go on. And one time I

886
00:40:26,241 --> 00:40:29,161
Speaker 4: was sitting in the store at Oxas Street and then

887
00:40:29,201 --> 00:40:31,441
Speaker 4: the like I said, the club door like to the

888
00:40:31,441 --> 00:40:33,881
Speaker 4: back room was in the shop so it opened up

889
00:40:34,081 --> 00:40:36,081
Speaker 4: and there's just this dude and he's naked and he

890
00:40:36,201 --> 00:40:39,761
Speaker 4: just goes the abbo storm my clothes and I said

891
00:40:39,761 --> 00:40:44,361
Speaker 4: what and I go, I go who where? And I'm like,

892
00:40:44,401 --> 00:40:46,681
Speaker 4: you can't come go go look for him, and he goes,

893
00:40:46,721 --> 00:40:48,521
Speaker 4: I have I've looked everywhere, and he was like a

894
00:40:48,521 --> 00:40:51,001
Speaker 4: normal guy right not off his face. I mean, he

895
00:40:51,081 --> 00:40:53,721
Speaker 4: might have probably had some drinks or something, but he

896
00:40:53,801 --> 00:40:58,001
Speaker 4: had nothing. Someone stole his clothes, whether it was Aboriginal

897
00:40:58,041 --> 00:41:00,801
Speaker 4: people or not, I don't know. I didn't see anyone

898
00:41:00,881 --> 00:41:04,721
Speaker 4: walk out with clothes. Who knows. And he didn't have anything.

899
00:41:04,841 --> 00:41:06,481
Speaker 4: That's mate. All I can do is help you make

900
00:41:06,601 --> 00:41:09,361
Speaker 4: undies out of a garbage bag. So we got this

901
00:41:09,401 --> 00:41:12,401
Speaker 4: black garbage bag and sort of wrapped it around him

902
00:41:12,441 --> 00:41:15,881
Speaker 4: like a nappy and taped it with taped it with

903
00:41:16,201 --> 00:41:19,121
Speaker 4: tape and staples and stuff, and he just walked out

904
00:41:19,121 --> 00:41:22,121
Speaker 4: into Oxford Street. And I was just like, man, I

905
00:41:22,201 --> 00:41:24,001
Speaker 4: still think about that dude sometimes because I'm like, I

906
00:41:24,081 --> 00:41:25,641
Speaker 4: wonder what happened to him, Like, how the fuck did

907
00:41:25,641 --> 00:41:26,081
Speaker 4: he get home?

908
00:41:26,161 --> 00:41:28,721
Speaker 3: He didn't have a war, he didn't like this. This

909
00:41:28,801 --> 00:41:30,881
Speaker 3: is just a place that's you know what I mean.

910
00:41:30,961 --> 00:41:34,961
Speaker 5: Like it's a it's an inequity, that's what it is.

911
00:41:35,121 --> 00:41:38,281
Speaker 4: It's a Yeah, it's a place. It's just so dark.

912
00:41:38,481 --> 00:41:43,361
Speaker 4: That's so dark that place and working there. Nah, well,

913
00:41:43,841 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 4: Now he liked.

914
00:41:44,361 --> 00:41:47,641
Speaker 3: The life, like the nightlife, the nightlife, what's the fucking that,

915
00:41:47,841 --> 00:41:48,401
Speaker 3: not the.

916
00:41:48,281 --> 00:41:50,481
Speaker 4: Hole in the wall stuff. He liked the street. I

917
00:41:50,601 --> 00:41:53,161
Speaker 4: liked the I used to, like I was saying, I was.

918
00:41:53,321 --> 00:41:57,161
Speaker 4: I was obsessed with the history of the Cross and

919
00:41:57,641 --> 00:42:02,161
Speaker 4: being a part of this evil business I suppose you

920
00:42:02,241 --> 00:42:05,641
Speaker 4: call it. Just it just appealed to me, Like I said,

921
00:42:05,641 --> 00:42:07,321
Speaker 4: I was on the originally there to save up money

922
00:42:07,321 --> 00:42:09,241
Speaker 4: to go to London, but then I was just there

923
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:12,281
Speaker 4: just because. Yeah, and it was interesting, like I could

924
00:42:12,281 --> 00:42:15,681
Speaker 4: have worked in some ship office job, you know, having

925
00:42:15,721 --> 00:42:17,481
Speaker 4: to wear a suit every day, do something else. I'd

926
00:42:17,561 --> 00:42:20,601
Speaker 4: go in there just like I am now, play music,

927
00:42:20,721 --> 00:42:24,361
Speaker 4: read books, hang out like it was just kind of fun.

928
00:42:25,481 --> 00:42:28,681
Speaker 4: And then something something crazy would happen every night, not

929
00:42:28,721 --> 00:42:32,121
Speaker 4: maybe not every night, but it is crazy every night mostly. Yeah.

930
00:42:32,561 --> 00:42:34,481
Speaker 3: I can't get it. I can't get my head off

931
00:42:34,521 --> 00:42:37,641
Speaker 3: his fucking booth. Soccatorium.

932
00:42:38,321 --> 00:42:42,521
Speaker 4: It's just every soccatorium is yeah, and it's just every night.

933
00:42:42,641 --> 00:42:45,361
Speaker 4: Something was happening, and you know, you make you like

934
00:42:45,481 --> 00:42:47,401
Speaker 4: all the other guys that you work with. Like there

935
00:42:47,401 --> 00:42:50,001
Speaker 4: was another great guy that I'll talk about, Simone. He

936
00:42:50,081 --> 00:42:55,121
Speaker 4: was an Italian guy. He worked as the backup as well.

937
00:42:55,161 --> 00:42:57,641
Speaker 4: He was a cleaner and he he like punk music

938
00:42:57,641 --> 00:42:59,521
Speaker 4: and stuff. So we used to talk about bands and

939
00:42:59,961 --> 00:43:01,961
Speaker 4: I loved him. Man. We used to go out outside

940
00:43:01,961 --> 00:43:04,761
Speaker 4: of work, and so when he was there, I'm like, man,

941
00:43:04,801 --> 00:43:06,561
Speaker 4: you know to do anything you sit there. It wasn't

942
00:43:06,721 --> 00:43:08,961
Speaker 4: We're just hanging out playing music. And one of his

943
00:43:09,001 --> 00:43:11,241
Speaker 4: favorite bands was local to Sydney, so I was like,

944
00:43:11,401 --> 00:43:13,681
Speaker 4: he was telling me about this band, the hard Ons, Mate,

945
00:43:13,681 --> 00:43:16,401
Speaker 4: they're playing like Saturday night. You couldn't believe it. What

946
00:43:16,441 --> 00:43:22,641
Speaker 4: was the brand called the hard Ones? Appropriate? Actually I

947
00:43:22,721 --> 00:43:26,081
Speaker 4: never even thought of that. One of the greatest, one

948
00:43:26,121 --> 00:43:30,001
Speaker 4: of the greatest bands of Sydney. Special guests comments hard On.

949
00:43:30,921 --> 00:43:34,801
Speaker 4: We should have been at that game. Actually, you know,

950
00:43:35,041 --> 00:43:36,801
Speaker 4: I took I took him to see them, and we'd

951
00:43:36,841 --> 00:43:38,561
Speaker 4: hang out all the time. So when he was working,

952
00:43:39,121 --> 00:43:42,161
Speaker 4: I'd just say, like, mate, unless someone complains about there's

953
00:43:42,161 --> 00:43:44,761
Speaker 4: too much ship upstairs or there's too many needles or

954
00:43:44,801 --> 00:43:49,641
Speaker 4: something to clean up. Well, not always there was sharps booths,

955
00:43:49,921 --> 00:43:52,521
Speaker 4: but concept of doing that, they just leave them wherever.

956
00:43:53,481 --> 00:43:56,801
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't like that's what I mean, I was

957
00:43:56,881 --> 00:43:59,561
Speaker 4: unless someone complains and says, it's really rank up there.

958
00:44:00,001 --> 00:44:02,641
Speaker 4: Fuck it, stay you sit here all night, like walk

959
00:44:02,881 --> 00:44:04,721
Speaker 4: for the cameras, go walk up there. And what he

960
00:44:04,801 --> 00:44:06,361
Speaker 4: used to do, the funny thing that used to laugh

961
00:44:06,401 --> 00:44:09,521
Speaker 4: at at off the street, Like I said, upstairs was

962
00:44:09,561 --> 00:44:13,321
Speaker 4: the the Suckatorium in the club downstairs was the Boots.

963
00:44:13,721 --> 00:44:16,761
Speaker 4: He used to call upstairs Sodom and downstairs Gomorrah. And

964
00:44:16,801 --> 00:44:18,881
Speaker 4: he was like this Italian guy, right, And so he'd

965
00:44:18,921 --> 00:44:21,081
Speaker 4: walk over to the door in the shop and he

966
00:44:21,201 --> 00:44:23,361
Speaker 4: turned around to me, and the door I had control

967
00:44:23,361 --> 00:44:25,841
Speaker 4: over like a buzzer, so i'd have to buzz it

968
00:44:25,841 --> 00:44:27,601
Speaker 4: for you to get through. And he'd walk over to

969
00:44:27,641 --> 00:44:30,641
Speaker 4: the shop to the door, turn around and he'd do

970
00:44:30,721 --> 00:44:32,721
Speaker 4: like that sign of the cross, and then I'd buzz

971
00:44:32,761 --> 00:44:34,761
Speaker 4: it and he'd cross his hands and he leaned through

972
00:44:34,801 --> 00:44:38,121
Speaker 4: the door and go up there backwards because he just

973
00:44:38,281 --> 00:44:40,481
Speaker 4: he couldn't believe the place either. But he was also

974
00:44:40,641 --> 00:44:44,521
Speaker 4: like I guess, attracted to it, you know. But I

975
00:44:44,601 --> 00:44:48,001
Speaker 4: used to like I said, I'm I made those dudes

976
00:44:48,041 --> 00:44:50,921
Speaker 4: not too much because I was like, it's fucking disgusting.

977
00:44:51,521 --> 00:44:51,841
Speaker 4: Fuck it.

978
00:44:51,961 --> 00:44:53,761
Speaker 3: You know, if you lost your job tomorrow and you

979
00:44:53,841 --> 00:44:56,201
Speaker 3: got for to go barn, would you go back?

980
00:44:56,881 --> 00:45:01,321
Speaker 4: Nah? Not there is there's probably a part of me

981
00:45:01,361 --> 00:45:03,681
Speaker 4: that sounds excited that I'm not going to.

982
00:45:05,721 --> 00:45:11,401
Speaker 3: Right my face eight looking excites next time I go

983
00:45:11,481 --> 00:45:15,521
Speaker 3: past this fucking place. Just fucking what the fuck? You

984
00:45:15,521 --> 00:45:18,681
Speaker 3: wouldn't go back if you were not for fifteen well,

985
00:45:18,681 --> 00:45:20,401
Speaker 3: not for fifteen bucks. Now I think you'd be about

986
00:45:20,401 --> 00:45:20,841
Speaker 3: twenty five.

987
00:45:22,881 --> 00:45:26,201
Speaker 4: Do you make it sixteen? I'm not considerate. No, Well,

988
00:45:26,241 --> 00:45:29,041
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's it's a time. Well, it's

989
00:45:29,081 --> 00:45:30,841
Speaker 4: not going to exist. I don't think like there is

990
00:45:30,921 --> 00:45:33,361
Speaker 4: other sex venues around gay sex venues, but I don't.

991
00:45:33,161 --> 00:45:35,121
Speaker 3: Think that would be still going on in there. I

992
00:45:35,241 --> 00:45:37,721
Speaker 3: can't see it's still happening. Like I know, maybe ten

993
00:45:37,801 --> 00:45:40,161
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago maybe yeah, but now I just cannot

994
00:45:40,201 --> 00:45:41,641
Speaker 3: see that insight.

995
00:45:41,761 --> 00:45:44,001
Speaker 4: There's apps now, you know, you've got Grinder and Tinder

996
00:45:44,041 --> 00:45:45,681
Speaker 4: and all this shit, like people don't need to go

997
00:45:45,721 --> 00:45:48,201
Speaker 4: to some random place and hopefully can be they can

998
00:45:48,361 --> 00:45:49,921
Speaker 4: they can meet a guy on the internet.

999
00:45:51,481 --> 00:45:54,001
Speaker 3: But then again, you've got junkies, and you've got people

1000
00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:56,241
Speaker 3: off the streets who can't afford that I've done.

1001
00:45:56,481 --> 00:45:58,441
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but those junkies, they're not going to sustain

1002
00:45:58,481 --> 00:46:00,441
Speaker 4: a business though, No, No, like you're not going to

1003
00:46:00,521 --> 00:46:03,401
Speaker 4: just have a place where junkies can go. And also like, well,

1004
00:46:03,401 --> 00:46:06,081
Speaker 4: I guess the shooting gallery that was there, you know,

1005
00:46:06,161 --> 00:46:08,881
Speaker 4: which helped with kings Cross when they opened.

1006
00:46:08,561 --> 00:46:10,401
Speaker 3: That opened my eyes to a lot of slight.

1007
00:46:10,801 --> 00:46:13,241
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm still just I can't can't get past

1008
00:46:13,241 --> 00:46:13,841
Speaker 4: the glory halls.

1009
00:46:14,361 --> 00:46:17,401
Speaker 5: No, I just I just I don't understand how you

1010
00:46:17,401 --> 00:46:19,681
Speaker 5: can walk in there, drop your gear and go, oh,

1011
00:46:19,721 --> 00:46:20,441
Speaker 5: I'll just wait for you.

1012
00:46:20,921 --> 00:46:23,361
Speaker 3: You'd have to be fucking something.

1013
00:46:23,281 --> 00:46:24,841
Speaker 4: And you're talking normal blokes to it.

1014
00:46:24,881 --> 00:46:28,201
Speaker 5: So there would be tradees and all these people.

1015
00:46:28,041 --> 00:46:31,881
Speaker 7: Normally define normal back there was regular people. There was

1016
00:46:31,961 --> 00:46:36,281
Speaker 7: like your CD people, the CD the CD sex pest

1017
00:46:36,361 --> 00:46:38,921
Speaker 7: freak people. There was just people that have never been

1018
00:46:39,001 --> 00:46:40,121
Speaker 7: there before and they're checking it out.

1019
00:46:40,161 --> 00:46:42,721
Speaker 3: Any pedophiles going there wouldn't you'd have to.

1020
00:46:42,961 --> 00:46:44,001
Speaker 1: Surely, yeah, we have to.

1021
00:46:44,721 --> 00:46:49,161
Speaker 4: Allegedly, there was a few that that I mostly remember

1022
00:46:49,201 --> 00:46:51,521
Speaker 4: that from kings Cross. There was one guy that people

1023
00:46:51,561 --> 00:46:56,001
Speaker 4: said that he was a pedophile. I don't know. I mean,

1024
00:46:56,121 --> 00:46:57,841
Speaker 4: you know, that's why I asked about the boys on

1025
00:46:57,881 --> 00:46:58,201
Speaker 4: the wall.

1026
00:46:58,201 --> 00:46:59,961
Speaker 5: There's some of them being young that they would have

1027
00:46:59,961 --> 00:47:00,961
Speaker 5: been taken in there.

1028
00:47:01,041 --> 00:47:03,001
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I think used to happen in these

1029
00:47:03,001 --> 00:47:04,921
Speaker 4: places back in the day, and not just a pleasure

1030
00:47:04,921 --> 00:47:06,881
Speaker 4: to because I'm sure there was other venues like this

1031
00:47:07,401 --> 00:47:10,841
Speaker 4: in the day. And however the the Chess managed to

1032
00:47:10,881 --> 00:47:12,321
Speaker 4: stay around as the only one, and just.

1033
00:47:12,281 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that being able to keep running a place

1034
00:47:15,561 --> 00:47:15,921
Speaker 3: like that.

1035
00:47:16,401 --> 00:47:19,161
Speaker 4: Well, there was a lot of place.

1036
00:47:19,641 --> 00:47:21,601
Speaker 3: Over a fucking lockout laws for the Cross, but this

1037
00:47:21,721 --> 00:47:22,281
Speaker 3: kind of place.

1038
00:47:22,201 --> 00:47:24,601
Speaker 4: Can stay right, doesn't make sense, That doesn't make sense.

1039
00:47:25,001 --> 00:47:26,801
Speaker 4: There was a lot of They did have to go

1040
00:47:26,841 --> 00:47:29,641
Speaker 4: through a lot of stuff to keep their das and stuff,

1041
00:47:29,761 --> 00:47:32,401
Speaker 4: you know, like they it did change, you know, like

1042
00:47:32,601 --> 00:47:37,281
Speaker 4: hand washing facilities and sharps stuff and condoms. You've got

1043
00:47:37,281 --> 00:47:37,761
Speaker 4: to provide all.

1044
00:47:37,721 --> 00:47:38,081
Speaker 1: That you can.

1045
00:47:38,121 --> 00:47:39,601
Speaker 3: You can provide it, but you don't know what's going

1046
00:47:39,681 --> 00:47:41,601
Speaker 3: on the boof you know, you don't know if that

1047
00:47:41,641 --> 00:47:50,321
Speaker 3: person who's just gone in there has got as.

1048
00:47:47,361 --> 00:47:49,521
Speaker 4: No Well that's that's just the that's just the risk

1049
00:47:49,561 --> 00:47:50,601
Speaker 4: of the place, I suppose.

1050
00:47:50,841 --> 00:47:52,641
Speaker 3: But then they come out, they've given to someone else,

1051
00:47:52,721 --> 00:47:54,161
Speaker 3: gone to someone else, gone to someone else.

1052
00:47:54,281 --> 00:47:58,921
Speaker 4: Just yeah, that's what happened, yeah back in the day.

1053
00:47:59,321 --> 00:48:01,881
Speaker 4: But that it just it was like a real place

1054
00:48:01,881 --> 00:48:05,281
Speaker 4: for a moment in time. I think, you know, God,

1055
00:48:05,321 --> 00:48:08,761
Speaker 4: that moment's over. It's well now it's all just it's

1056
00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:10,521
Speaker 4: all just a bit different now, you know, Like I

1057
00:48:10,521 --> 00:48:12,561
Speaker 4: can get my phone and we can watch whatever point

1058
00:48:12,601 --> 00:48:14,681
Speaker 4: we want our phone wherever we are. You don't have

1059
00:48:14,721 --> 00:48:17,601
Speaker 4: to go to the shop to buy a huge rubber fist,

1060
00:48:17,641 --> 00:48:19,561
Speaker 4: because you can get a rubber fist into your house,

1061
00:48:20,481 --> 00:48:21,321
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1062
00:48:21,481 --> 00:48:27,441
Speaker 1: You don't rubber fist, rubber fist, you don't need I.

1063
00:48:27,401 --> 00:48:29,241
Speaker 5: Don't need to know about the rubber I'll.

1064
00:48:29,121 --> 00:48:32,841
Speaker 4: Just come back to what we just.

1065
00:48:33,641 --> 00:48:37,521
Speaker 5: I'm still pass like shipping through the hole the secretorium

1066
00:48:37,521 --> 00:48:38,841
Speaker 5: and then sucking someone clean.

1067
00:48:38,921 --> 00:48:43,001
Speaker 3: Then you've just brought me like you just opened another

1068
00:48:43,001 --> 00:48:43,441
Speaker 3: wheel to me.

1069
00:48:43,521 --> 00:48:46,601
Speaker 4: An see, I thought, see, we didn't have that much

1070
00:48:46,601 --> 00:48:49,321
Speaker 4: stuff to do with you guys, and we wouldn't want

1071
00:48:49,361 --> 00:48:50,641
Speaker 4: anything to do with you guys.

1072
00:48:53,321 --> 00:48:55,641
Speaker 3: I couldn't give a if I was told going close up,

1073
00:48:55,681 --> 00:49:01,961
Speaker 3: place down, I send someone else, because I'm not fucking closed.

1074
00:49:00,081 --> 00:49:02,601
Speaker 4: We'd see, I was saying, we used to see like

1075
00:49:02,641 --> 00:49:04,201
Speaker 4: you'd walk along and you know what, all the spookers

1076
00:49:04,201 --> 00:49:06,041
Speaker 4: are out the street. They'd always get you to come

1077
00:49:06,081 --> 00:49:08,761
Speaker 4: in and like hey man, I'm like, man, I'm fucking

1078
00:49:08,801 --> 00:49:10,761
Speaker 4: going to work. And then after a while I'd start

1079
00:49:10,801 --> 00:49:12,161
Speaker 4: to know them and they'd see me. I'll be out

1080
00:49:12,201 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: the front smoking and stuff and just sort of say

1081
00:49:14,961 --> 00:49:17,121
Speaker 4: good a like even like John and things. Those guys

1082
00:49:17,161 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 4: you just sort of wave to them and go hey,

1083
00:49:18,441 --> 00:49:19,921
Speaker 4: and they sort of start to know that you're some

1084
00:49:20,001 --> 00:49:20,841
Speaker 4: dude that works there.

1085
00:49:21,161 --> 00:49:24,361
Speaker 5: But in the secretorium there, David didn't work.

1086
00:49:24,441 --> 00:49:26,241
Speaker 4: I didn't work in theatorium. I was at the counter.

1087
00:49:26,401 --> 00:49:29,521
Speaker 4: I was by the counter. But yeah, you know, like that,

1088
00:49:29,721 --> 00:49:31,521
Speaker 4: it was like I always felt like it was like

1089
00:49:31,601 --> 00:49:34,441
Speaker 4: we were our own kind of weird world in amongst

1090
00:49:34,961 --> 00:49:37,081
Speaker 4: you know, there's all this like running across and who

1091
00:49:37,201 --> 00:49:38,921
Speaker 4: runs the cross and who's on the streets and all

1092
00:49:38,961 --> 00:49:41,161
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. But then it was like, well,

1093
00:49:42,281 --> 00:49:46,241
Speaker 4: we sort of run our own little, filthy, filthy bit

1094
00:49:46,321 --> 00:49:53,041
Speaker 4: of it and put it in slav machine.

1095
00:49:58,361 --> 00:49:58,561
Speaker 7: Look.

1096
00:49:59,521 --> 00:50:01,361
Speaker 4: One of the things, one of the things that used

1097
00:50:01,401 --> 00:50:04,561
Speaker 4: to happen at Oxford Street, you know, the taxi club. Yes, yes,

1098
00:50:05,041 --> 00:50:07,361
Speaker 4: Taxi club used to be around, which was popular with

1099
00:50:08,161 --> 00:50:13,041
Speaker 4: trainees and things. Once that closed, the customers of the

1100
00:50:13,081 --> 00:50:15,081
Speaker 4: taxi club would come down the street go wherever. They'd

1101
00:50:15,081 --> 00:50:18,441
Speaker 4: often end up in our shop downstairs in the booths

1102
00:50:19,241 --> 00:50:23,081
Speaker 4: and you know that thing. I don't know exactly what

1103
00:50:23,161 --> 00:50:27,041
Speaker 4: it is, but the Polynesian Numari guys where some of

1104
00:50:27,081 --> 00:50:30,121
Speaker 4: them become trainings. I don't know what that is, but

1105
00:50:30,201 --> 00:50:33,081
Speaker 4: it's a thing. So these dudes would come in from

1106
00:50:33,081 --> 00:50:37,601
Speaker 4: the taxi club and then they'd be brawls downstairs, like

1107
00:50:38,121 --> 00:50:40,761
Speaker 4: they're all like your size, but wearing dresses.

1108
00:50:40,441 --> 00:50:42,241
Speaker 3: And shit want for as sure at me.

1109
00:50:42,321 --> 00:50:45,921
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'd look on the camera and you're like, fuck,

1110
00:50:45,961 --> 00:50:49,041
Speaker 4: those trainees are big. And then it's like these sort

1111
00:50:49,081 --> 00:50:51,641
Speaker 4: of guys and then something would start off and they'd

1112
00:50:51,641 --> 00:50:53,481
Speaker 4: all be punching the fuck out of each other, and

1113
00:50:53,521 --> 00:50:55,161
Speaker 4: I'd just be watching on the cameras and I'm like,

1114
00:50:55,161 --> 00:50:56,761
Speaker 4: I'm not going down there. I'm just going to wait

1115
00:50:56,841 --> 00:50:59,721
Speaker 4: till someone's out cold or they leave or whatever. And

1116
00:50:59,761 --> 00:51:02,601
Speaker 4: then they'd eventually leave, and they'd usually be okay, because downstairs,

1117
00:51:02,641 --> 00:51:06,761
Speaker 4: no one's really All I've got is a microphone, you know,

1118
00:51:06,761 --> 00:51:09,201
Speaker 4: it's like a team of footballers. Stop fighting, Like I'm

1119
00:51:09,201 --> 00:51:12,081
Speaker 4: not fucking stopping that. I'm like, whatever, just let them fight,

1120
00:51:12,281 --> 00:51:15,201
Speaker 4: let them fight it out. And then but once again

1121
00:51:15,201 --> 00:51:18,081
Speaker 4: they're fighting because they're competing to get into the booth.

1122
00:51:18,321 --> 00:51:20,361
Speaker 4: Oh love, jeez, that's why they're fighting. Then I was

1123
00:51:20,401 --> 00:51:22,921
Speaker 4: fighting for the fun of it. Something's gone on down there.

1124
00:51:22,961 --> 00:51:25,201
Speaker 4: Someone's gone into the booths and another guy's gone in.

1125
00:51:25,801 --> 00:51:27,761
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm going to go out on the weekend,

1126
00:51:27,881 --> 00:51:29,481
Speaker 3: and they went over to see a hole. I'll walk

1127
00:51:29,481 --> 00:51:30,721
Speaker 3: past it with my mates.

1128
00:51:34,281 --> 00:51:38,881
Speaker 4: Looking looking through it. Yeah, And what used to happen

1129
00:51:38,961 --> 00:51:42,121
Speaker 4: like we'd get we'd get groups of guys mostly. I

1130
00:51:42,161 --> 00:51:44,761
Speaker 4: found this mostly at King's Cross, probably when King's Cross

1131
00:51:44,961 --> 00:51:47,521
Speaker 4: was really pumping, because back and then like two thousand

1132
00:51:47,521 --> 00:51:50,281
Speaker 4: and three, on the streets there, it was like, yeah,

1133
00:51:50,601 --> 00:51:53,481
Speaker 4: just people everywhere like it was awesome. It was just

1134
00:51:53,521 --> 00:51:56,921
Speaker 4: how how it should have stayed, you know. So some

1135
00:51:56,961 --> 00:51:59,121
Speaker 4: of those punters that are going to these other venues,

1136
00:51:59,121 --> 00:52:01,121
Speaker 4: they'd come up like, oh, let's go into the sex

1137
00:52:01,161 --> 00:52:04,121
Speaker 4: shop and see what's going on, and it'd be a

1138
00:52:04,161 --> 00:52:07,881
Speaker 4: bit daunting for them, be a bit daunting for them. Yeah.

1139
00:52:07,921 --> 00:52:10,161
Speaker 4: But then sometimes you get guys coming in and want

1140
00:52:10,201 --> 00:52:12,201
Speaker 4: to be tough. Maybe they want to try and steal something,

1141
00:52:12,681 --> 00:52:15,401
Speaker 4: they want to you know, they're just trying to be

1142
00:52:15,441 --> 00:52:17,361
Speaker 4: in a bit smart, and I'd have to talk to

1143
00:52:17,401 --> 00:52:19,201
Speaker 4: those dudes and try and like calm them down a

1144
00:52:19,201 --> 00:52:22,161
Speaker 4: bit because I'm like, man, it's fucking five against one.

1145
00:52:23,081 --> 00:52:24,601
Speaker 4: What am I going to do? Not to mention, I'm

1146
00:52:24,601 --> 00:52:26,721
Speaker 4: also getting paid fifteen bucks an hour, blah blah blah,

1147
00:52:26,801 --> 00:52:28,881
Speaker 4: so you know, we're not about to start boxing in here.

1148
00:52:29,601 --> 00:52:33,041
Speaker 4: But I'd often just talk to them about showing them

1149
00:52:33,081 --> 00:52:36,921
Speaker 4: how going boys. You want to watch something like find

1150
00:52:36,921 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: the worst video, put it on, and then that'd usually

1151
00:52:39,001 --> 00:52:41,081
Speaker 4: get them to leave. They'd be like oh. And then

1152
00:52:41,121 --> 00:52:44,121
Speaker 4: sometimes if they were a bit if they weren't heaps aggressive,

1153
00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:46,041
Speaker 4: or if they were a bit kind of normal, I

1154
00:52:46,121 --> 00:52:48,161
Speaker 4: might just let them in the club and they're like,

1155
00:52:48,161 --> 00:52:49,721
Speaker 4: what's back here? What's back here? And I'm like, I'll

1156
00:52:49,761 --> 00:52:52,321
Speaker 4: go in and have a look, buzz them in, and

1157
00:52:52,361 --> 00:52:54,361
Speaker 4: then like they come running in. Yeah, they fucking come

1158
00:52:54,441 --> 00:52:57,801
Speaker 4: running out and go straight straight out. And then you'd

1159
00:52:57,801 --> 00:52:59,321
Speaker 4: have groups of guys that had come in and I'd

1160
00:52:59,321 --> 00:53:01,161
Speaker 4: tell them what's at the back. As a suckatory in

1161
00:53:01,201 --> 00:53:04,001
Speaker 4: his glory holes and all this, and there'd always be

1162
00:53:04,041 --> 00:53:07,041
Speaker 4: one guy that's like, oh what, that's discussing fucking fagots,

1163
00:53:07,441 --> 00:53:09,521
Speaker 4: and then they'd leave and they'd all storm out. He

1164
00:53:09,601 --> 00:53:14,361
Speaker 4: come back, Yeah, he comes, three in the morning, he's back.

1165
00:53:14,401 --> 00:53:16,401
Speaker 4: I one ticket to the club, thanks, and he's out

1166
00:53:16,481 --> 00:53:18,401
Speaker 4: the back. And then these dudes would always be like, hey, mate,

1167
00:53:18,401 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: you know that guy you let in, he's getting sucked

1168
00:53:20,481 --> 00:53:24,681
Speaker 4: by two dudes out there, like yet, well that's how

1169
00:53:24,721 --> 00:53:28,601
Speaker 4: it goes. And that happened, like that happened a lot.

1170
00:53:29,041 --> 00:53:30,601
Speaker 4: There was a lot of those groups of guys that

1171
00:53:30,641 --> 00:53:31,281
Speaker 4: had come in.

1172
00:53:31,761 --> 00:53:34,361
Speaker 5: The ones that beat the drum the loudest, see usually

1173
00:53:34,401 --> 00:53:35,361
Speaker 5: the ones that really want it.

1174
00:53:35,481 --> 00:53:40,001
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well that's open eyes for a lot of things.

1175
00:53:40,041 --> 00:53:40,801
Speaker 5: Great, thanks for.

1176
00:53:40,761 --> 00:53:42,081
Speaker 1: Coming, Thanks for coming up.

1177
00:53:43,561 --> 00:53:47,081
Speaker 4: From plus Yester. It's all good.

1178
00:53:47,241 --> 00:53:50,041
Speaker 3: But that's that's definitely going to get my views. I

1179
00:53:50,121 --> 00:53:51,601
Speaker 3: wanted to know about fucking gloriole.

1180
00:53:51,841 --> 00:53:56,001
Speaker 4: I'd start a resurgency everyone, I hope.

1181
00:53:58,041 --> 00:54:00,121
Speaker 3: Next week on Secrets of the Underworld, we.

1182
00:54:00,281 --> 00:54:03,761
Speaker 6: Tried to murder me and try to kill me, and

1183
00:54:03,801 --> 00:54:05,721
Speaker 6: then I returned and put his lights out.

1184
00:54:05,841 --> 00:54:08,321
Speaker 3: He speaks of Graham abb old memory and partam out

1185
00:54:08,361 --> 00:54:08,681
Speaker 3: of jail.

1186
00:54:08,881 --> 00:54:10,921
Speaker 6: I'm good shop by the police at North Sydney and

1187
00:54:11,001 --> 00:54:14,361
Speaker 6: Mount Street and they snuck up on me and a woman.

1188
00:54:14,441 --> 00:54:16,881
Speaker 6: The petalty through my head and still got one lugs

1189
00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:20,321
Speaker 6: in their eye. There they ended up shooting Ned's mate

1190
00:54:20,561 --> 00:54:23,481
Speaker 6: Jimmy Traynor, and shot him near he took his arm.

1191
00:54:23,521 --> 00:54:26,841
Speaker 6: A dog might bark at me during the night jermy sleep,

1192
00:54:27,201 --> 00:54:29,881
Speaker 6: and I always know that day to be on alls.

1193
00:54:29,921 --> 00:54:32,281
Speaker 4: I advertally did was say, yeah, did that robbery?

1194
00:54:32,321 --> 00:54:33,361
Speaker 3: That robbery? That robbery?

1195
00:54:33,841 --> 00:54:35,441
Speaker 6: And when they said, well, who had to deal with

1196
00:54:35,561 --> 00:54:38,321
Speaker 6: and I said Chris Flannery and Lourie Johnson. He said,

1197
00:54:38,521 --> 00:54:40,161
Speaker 6: but they're dead, and I went to what happens in

1198
00:54:40,201 --> 00:54:40,761
Speaker 6: their life one?

1199
00:54:41,561 --> 00:54:43,201
Speaker 3: That's how I just nominated dead blocks.

1200
00:54:43,281 --> 00:54:43,481
Speaker 2: You know.

1201
00:54:44,041 --> 00:54:51,801
Speaker 4: I was the Bigu's Robbie ever did went into a

1202
00:54:51,801 --> 00:54:58,881
Speaker 4: couple of Melbourne. That's all I can say. Yeah,