WEBVTT - Is Chic Boring Now? What To Embrace Instead... 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.320 This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:12.480 will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Chicks, I'm out and this 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.000 is Two Broke Chicks, the show that shares life lessons 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.320 and tips to help make you rich in life. And 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.759 today we are back for another fabulous episode where we 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:22.479 are talking about what does. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:23.960 It mean to be chic? 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.760 So? How has this kind of chic trend arisen on 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.320 social media? Do we need to maybe embrace some things 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.440 outside of being chic and maybe a little bit more ugly? 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.479 And then on top of all of that, our. 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:43.760 Top things that we think chic girls ic. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.200 Is in the eye of the beholder. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.000 Yeah, Sally is really doing it for me today because 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.120 I'm just gonna let everyone know. I don't know what 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.240 it is about Sally today that's really doing it for me. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.400 Like everything she's saying is making me laugh, Like it's 0:00:58.520 --> 0:00:59.040 just a base. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:00:59.960 It's a lot of pressure. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:07.120 I know, you're just really tickling me today sexually. I'm kidding, 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:12.520 but but yes, so that's talking about today. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:13.440 I'm excited. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.280 But before we get into all of that, would you 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.080 like to tell me what you're obsessed with past week? 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:26.160 Where do I start? My God, my obsession of the 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:31.880 week is a new flavor of twisties. Shut. Yeah, I 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:33.280 didn't know this exists. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:33.920 I know. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.880 So I was in the airport the other day. Airport 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.399 and they don't even need me to like play in that, 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:47.040 okay to myself. Literally, you're in the airport. Yeah, I 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:51.960 was in the airport and I found these twisties that 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.440 are hot chili honey. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.280 Did you did you bring some in? 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:56.160 They're gone? 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.600 You ate them all, They're all gone. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.800 You didn't the before on the plane. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.240 You didn't even say anyone. You didn't say because I'm 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.000 gonna buy one for my best friend. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.959 They were really fucking because they recently did the pickle 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.600 ones as well, which I really wanted to love because 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:13.720 I'm but they weren't good. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.440 They were just out here They're trying twisties without me, 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.960 and I'm really upset. I I love a pickle. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.320 The hot honey ones are really really um Okay, so 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:31.160 I definitely recommend. I'm obsessed. I had some. What's your obsession? 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.679 My obsession of the week is a contribution to our 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.200 lovely little angel we have in our office as well. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.639 Live For my birthday, she got us an ice maker. Yes, 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:46.400 let me tell you, this thing has changed our lives. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.760 Yesterday we all had a fridge cig aka a coke 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.800 zizzy aka a coke zero, and it was the best 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.440 thing ever. We all had some fresh to the rim 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.320 ice coke zero. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.800 Oh I know, and is already like the most decadent 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.639 of treats. Like it's truly what I wake up for 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.320 every day. But that icemaker really took it to another. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:16.119 Seriously, it makes eyes in seven minutes, how bloody good? 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.519 Seven minutes of heaven? Seven minutes what they were talking about. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.680 Truly, that's what that whole thing stick was about. My 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.160 ice maker, the best thing ever. I was like, I'm 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.720 getting one from home as well. Yeah, home, I have 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.680 a freezer. And also, for context, we don't have a 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.360 freezer in our office. We just have a little mini fridge, 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.120 a little mini fridge that's filled with cogzizzi yeah zero. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.160 So yeah, that's my obsession of the week. I can't 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:39.960 wait to have one. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.360 Today to move forward to it. It's the best. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:44.760 Do you know what it felt like? 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.600 It felt like a really good movie's coat. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.080 That's what I was thinking. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:50.360 All right. 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:57.320 So you may have seen all online the term chic everywhere, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.440 but in terms of talking about this week kind of 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.760 have to bring it back. 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:03.680 To this start. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.920 So this trend online has been you know, things I 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.320 find incredibly chic, you know, and people listing what those 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.280 things are as. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:19.880 Or more recently the like it's kind of too yes, yeah, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:24.039 but what we're kind of seeing is like, are these 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.560 things chic or is it just a photo of your food? 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.240 So people are using the K label to describe like 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:35.000 literally anything, which is fine, but it kind of has 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.960 got us asking the question what does shek actually mean? 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.560 Especially if we are throwing it around in more broader terms. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.799 She is swinging its dick around on the internet right now? 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.039 Yeah, so true, so true. So to get to the 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.520 bottom of this trend, we want to understand what does 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.200 sheik actually means? Let's start at the very beginning. It's 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.520 a very good place to start. So in the Merriam 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.599 Webster Dictionary, chic is defined as smart, elegance and sophistication, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.560 especially of dress or manner. Chic has been around since 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:14.240 the sixteenth century, probably not surprising. French philosopher Roland Bart's 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.840 was one of the first academics to write about fashion, 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.160 and he regarded the concept of chic to be a 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.480 shifting system that was always a little out of reach 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.920 rather than a tangible thing you can buy, which I 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.159 think is really interesting and maybe that is why we 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.400 can't really get our heads around it because it is 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.600 supposed to be one of those things. It's like it's 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.000 kind of provocative. It gets the people going, yeah, but 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:39.760 what would your definition of chic be. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.000 I was trying to think about this, right, and I'm like, 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.520 when you first think of the word cheek, my, you 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.400 really go to like an outfit, right, it really does 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:56.720 have those like ties to fashion and looks an aesthetic. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:57.239 Right. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.520 But then it's then what I was thinking as I 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.320 kind of thought further to it, I think cheek is 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.599 I think something when I if I was to describe 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:13.440 someone as chic, it would be referencing more the way 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.960 they hold themselves, their attitude, their attitude and. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:22.720 You know, to be like very kind and very. 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:23.880 Like they just hold themselves. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.040 I'm really just the posture. They've got good posture. That's 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:28.320 what it is to be shake. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.479 So true aally, Yeah, I think that's how I see it. Like, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.400 you know, how does someone handle themselves in confrontation? 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.320 How do they handle themselves? 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:41.559 When they're having a bad day, Like, do they feel 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.960 their emotions? Do they take their emotions down on other people? 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.640 Do they consider others? Like that's kind of if I 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.680 was to be like, oh, they're just so chic. Do 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.119 you know who I would say is chic? Florence given 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.120 a right outfit, great attitude. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.640 Combo Chico, what about you? I like that. I think 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.919 truly I would have also always just associated it with fashion. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.400 I think like Carrie Bradshaw always comes to mind. I 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.560 just think of somebody who has a really unique sense 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:14.440 of their own signature style. But I think previously I 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.400 would have thought maybe very elegant, But I think as 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.360 I've gotten older, I think of it more as like 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:20.640 cool unique. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.040 I'm really picturing like you know that, like lady at 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.200 the start of one hundred and one Dalmatians, and she's 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.040 got yeah, you know exactly which one she's got, like 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.720 the fur trim big coat on, like one of those 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:37.600 really long cigarettes holders, and like my head's up, she's 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.880 trotting along, yes, since she's got the poodle. Yes, yes, yes, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.320 one of the best scenes in all of film history. Absolutely, 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:50.880 But today being she is more attainable, right because with 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.120 this trend. It's almost becoming an overused term in the 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.600 fashion and online world. Not to mention many people are 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:03.720 spending a lot of money to chase this idea of chic. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.280 And this is very similar to you know, some of 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.120 the conversations that we've been having. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.240 Surrounding a lot of the aesthetics that get pushed as 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.840 marketing terms, for example, cool girl, like this just it 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.800 does kind of feel a little bit like it's just 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.680 the same thing in a different word. Yeah, you know, 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.840 like we have it girl, we have cool girl, we 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.560 have that girl, And now like chic to me is 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.840 kind of just like a notch in that belt as well. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.199 They all sit under the same umbrella. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.120 It's not to say that anyone who has done this 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.960 trend or likes this trend or anything like that is 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.800 doing anything wrong. It's not hurting anyone being like things 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.760 I find cheak unless, like, you know, the thing you 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:47.440 find cheek is. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.679 Like bat shit fucking great, you know, being mean? 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:55.120 Yeah, yeah, being like kind of cheeked, like rear end 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.199 someone's car, no grace, No, okay. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.640 It's kind of cheap. I was like, shit, that was 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.160 on my list. She quick little retype. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.959 But it is a trend. It is meant to be fun. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.160 So I don't want this to come across like we're 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:12.439 being like party poopers. 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.719 Yeah, like the moral panic, like we can't be she 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.760 protect chek. No, that's not what this is. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.120 It's just a reflection of hmm, how do we feel 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.000 about this, and like we're also going to be sharing 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.760 our own things we think of chic. So it's not 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.000 like we're not sitting on the high horse being like. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.240 You losers at all. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:38.840 But it's very, very interesting because we've actually now seen 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:44.200 the word chic holding less merit as a result. So 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.160 according to a post from data but Make It Fashion, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.160 the numbers suggest the word is losing its value from 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.480 over use. And that's more the point that we're making. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.600 Google searches for the word chic have been at their 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.560 highest this year since Google started leading search data in 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:06.520 two thousand and four, so chic is at its peak. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.480 Like shit, No one. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.120 Has ever searched the term or word cheek as much 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.800 since Google was born, which is. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.120 Wild to me. I feel like I need wow, whoa 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:21.400 go way? 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:22.520 Yes, sir. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.960 So with saturation of a topic comes a drop in 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.920 positive sentiment, and that's what we're seeing here, so positive 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.320 engagement with posts including the term chic have actually dropped 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:41.480 by fourteen percent monthly since March. So since March, since 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:46.000 it's been like whoa chic, it's now slowly reducing in 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.920 the way that people feel about that word. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.920 That makes sense because when you think about the origins 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.400 of the word that we discussed before, is that the 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.640 whole point of the term chic is that it's supposed 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.640 to be a little bit out of reach. Yes, but 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.640 now if we're using it to describe everything, it has 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:09.080 lost its meaning and I guess like its status in 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:14.480 a way, which I think, Yeah, it's one of those 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.160 things that's like does that really matter. I don't know 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.840 how we feel about it doesn't really matter even to 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:20.640 be chic at all? 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.920 Like is that is that the north star that we 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.400 should have in life? 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:27.600 So true? 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.680 But yeah, it does kind of beg the question if 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.400 everything is chic, then what is chic? 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.600 Yeah, to be or not to be? I think Shakespeare first, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:51.000 that's that. Yeah, yeah, but I do think that that 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.760 is a really interesting question and kind of like when 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.520 we saw you know, clean Girl trending or or even 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.080 like Brat's summer trending or whatever it is. It's like 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.319 we'll see something trend and the pendulum swings that way, yea, 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.640 and then as we become maybe a little bit fatigued 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.800 by it, starts to swee the way the other way. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:13.959 Well, yeah, that's even such an interesting thing. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.199 Like last summer was brat Yeah, and it's brats are 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.920 and it's messy and yeah, you know, and then this 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.640 is like chic, poised, elevated, elegant, elegant. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.400 But then also like some people would argue that like 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.240 brats summer was quite chic and that you know, sleeping 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.840 in your makeup and I don't know, partying until dawn 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.480 whatever people do. It's interesting. But I do think that 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:42.160 the thing with chic is that it's only important when 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:46.080 there's also mess It's like you have to have the 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.600 light and the shade. And there's also so many different 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.360 types of chic like that have trended over the years. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.960 There was Perisian chic, which I think is that very 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:59.680 like elegant. Then there's boho chic, shabby chic, urban chic, 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.240 frugal chicic, which we talked about on the podcast earlier 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.800 this year. But yeah, it's like that thing where you 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.000 can't have chic without also having the mess. And I 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.199 think that's where we're seeing the pendulum swing a little 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:18.320 bit now. Even in fashion, you see brands embracing ugly luxury. Yes, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.559 so like the Margella tabbies or even the heeled Haavianas 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.520 that we spoke about, or platform crocs or even just 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.120 crocs in general. That they went from being like no 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.199 one who would ever wear CROs in touch with the 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.760 tempoot pole yeah, to now like a lot of fashion 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:39.160 girlies wear crocs because they're like they kind of a rebellion, yeah. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:45.280 Or that jw Anderson pigeon clutch. Do you remember that? Yeah, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.600 from a few years ago, and so many people were 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.400 like a pigeon, what the fuck? But then a lot 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.520 of people like that's incredibly chic, and I think carry 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.840 Bradshaw even carried it in and just like that yeah, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.959 which I think was like a tick of a proof 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.720 for a lot of people being like, oh, okay, maybe 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.400 it is cool, or even like the Golden Goose sneakers, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:09.920 like having distressed sneakers or like ripped jeans, or you know, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.760 buying an expensive T shirt that has holes like already 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:17.280 cut into it. It's so funny because typically when you'd 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.720 think of chic, you would think of like very put together. Yeah, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:20.120 like what we. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.640 Said playing Christine, I feel like there's a stereotype that 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:24.680 the word cheek. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.240 Yeah, exactly. And in a post by Sashi dot Branding, 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.440 she points out that ugliness in art is never an 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.760 accident and it's actually a response to dominant culture that 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.120 has become too polished, which I think is what we're 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.720 seeing with some of these examples. People wanted to butt 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:42.520 those trends. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.960 We spoke about it, I think a little bit earlier 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.840 in the year as well, that like in fashion as well, 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:54.320 on these runways, imperfections are being prioritized as also a 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.760 sort of rebellion to the perfection is and that is 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.800 with Ai Yeah yeah, so like because you know what 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.520 you get with that is such a clean cut and 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:08.600 so like perfectionist with that art is now purposely you know, 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.600 they had you know, marks on the t shirts, they 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.720 were creticled, they weren't iron like those little things that 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:15.560 it's like, this is. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:20.240 Real, yeah, and like embracing those things that are typically 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.040 seen as flaws or ugly and using them as a 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:28.400 way to rebel against Yeah, like perfectionism or just going 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:33.040 against the grain, but also embracing the ugly can be 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:37.680 an act of defiance, even just beyond fashion. Lucy Blackerson 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.480 from You Should Care About Who We've had on the 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.760 show and We Love has written about the complex relationship 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.160 between our perceptions of how we look and how we 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:51.200 see ourselves, especially in the digital age, and in a 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.280 post with the headline ugliness as Defiance, she makes a 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.120 couple of points that I thought was really interesting because 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.400 it's kind of like the opposite of what we've been 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.400 seeing into che in a lot of ways. She says 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.800 it's never been easier to look beautiful through filters or 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:11.720 cosmetic procedures, products, medications. Things like aging, outfit repeating, and 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.400 going outside without makeup or bare face is almost taboo 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.040 rather than being seen as normal. And also, I was 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.240 having this conversation with a lady last night at an 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:23.720 event that we went to, and she has like a 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.800 ten year old daughter, and you know, she was like 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.360 asking me for some advice about like certain things because 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.320 she knows that we speak to a lot of young women. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.560 I was like, I think she's a little out about demos. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:37.240 I don't know. I was like, downds. But we were 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.640 talking about how kids these days don't really have an 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.480 awkward phase. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.400 Oh my god, Oh my god. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.320 Yeah, really really grinds my gears then they like and 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.040 do you know what that makes me sad for them, mad. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.680 For you because I had to be really fucking ugly. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.040 Oh yeah, But now. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:57.280 What a privilege? 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.400 What a privilege to have had a childhood or a 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:06.359 tween era that like had a lot less pressure on it. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.240 I'm not saying we didn't have any pressure. We definitely did. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.880 We also were in you know that the OG two 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.919 thousands era of like you know, magazines and you know, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.320 front covers of being like. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:23.240 Oh she's gained one kill, She's a fucking hog, like 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.879 like crazy shit, being like who wore it better? 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.359 Being like team Jen, oh team and being like whoa 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:31.040 come down? 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.679 Yeah, Like we still fucking have that shit with Selena 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.520 and Haley now, but like we still had it, but 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.920 nowhere near the extent to now. 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.080 Like I just think that our accessibility to things to 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.520 maybe skip that awkward phase just wasn't available to us. Like, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.040 you know, I was going to Urban Angel and Best 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.720 and Less to buy my clothes and like you'd get 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.800 makeup from like those they were literally toys, Like it 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.600 wasn't real makeup really, No, the. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.119 One that would look like like a pencil case and 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.199 you opened it up and it had like all the 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.400 yeah yeah, and the blush was basically a fucking candle, 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:06.440 Like it wasn't. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.399 Doing anything, Like what was the point of that? It 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.240 was fun. But I do think that when I look 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.320 back and I think about like those awkward years when 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.960 I had braces and like I didn't know what I 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.879 was doing with my hair and maybe I was like 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.760 starting to use makeup, but you know, they weren't tutorials 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.439 and things available, so I didn't really know what I 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.320 was doing. Like it was it felt very awkward and 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.880 uncomfortable at the time, and I can remember thinking like, 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.840 like I wish that I looked like these people either 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.320 in my year or even just people in magazines or 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.960 people that I looked up to. But I do think 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.320 that it was really character building being ugly. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:45.320 Yeah, And also just like maybe freed up a little 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.320 bit of the brain space too, Like it didn't consume 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.080 I'm not saying it never consumed a single thought, because 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:58.159 that did, but like it didn't consume every thought or 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.120 as much space as I think it does now. And 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.280 I've spoken about this before as well, that it's even 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.840 at home, it feels like there's this pressure to be 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.159 put together, and it's like now like back in ye 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.879 yelden days, it would be the same fucking ugly T 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.080 shirt that had to pass the staining from ten years ago, 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.919 and the same track is discussed, like maybe mismatching socks, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:26.119 like no matching sets, no hair masking, sheet mask on, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:31.720 like that is so so far away, Like it's we 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.720 have to be put together at home. And I also 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.359 understand to be my own devil's advocate, like sometimes even 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.320 having a shower, putting their hair mask on, doing that 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.680 refresh that feels really good, like mentally, but I even 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.040 think that we don't even let ourselves be ugly in 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:47.359 the privacy. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:52.000 Of our own home anymore. Yeah, like and bring that back, honestly, 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.120 because that's the thing. Like I'm saying that I've had 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.640 these awkward faces, but I also can recognize that when 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.080 I was a teenager, from about the age of fifteen 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:07.080 until maybe I was like twenty six, probably until the pandemic, 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.000 really I would not leave the house without a full 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.720 face of makeup. On ever, like if I was going 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.160 to the gym, if I was going for a walk, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.120 if I was just like ducking out to get a coffee, 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.720 like there was no way and there was no way 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.480 to ever like post online without makeup or my hair 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.480 done or whatever. And then I think, as I've gotten older, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.560 I kind of went into some of those interactions like 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.720 jumped on Zoom during lockdown and didn't have makeup on 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.320 and noticed that nobody said anything and nobody treated me 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.400 any differently, And I was like, Okay, maybe I can 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.280 push this a little further. I'll go and hang out 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.440 with a friend without makeup and they weren't like, WHOA 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.639 what happened. I think most people don't care. 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:50.080 And anyone that does it says a lot more about them. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.040 So I think that's the thing. The important thing to 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.600 take away from these points that Lucy made is that 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.080 it's never been more important than now to be defiant 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.840 and embrace those moments when we can be a little 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.280 bit ugly. So whether it is not feeling the pressure 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.439 to put on a matching set and just wearing whatever, 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.240 you know, PJ pants and T shirt you find on 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:11.680 your bedroom floor. 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:14.560 Do you know what's kind of chic wearing like a 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.680 weird flannelette pajama bottoms and some rogue T shirt that 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:20.879 don't match and you just can't. 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:25.199 Be yeah, exactly, or like not apologizing for things that 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.840 are natural on your body. Yeah, that is something that 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:29.760 I think a lot of women do. Like if you 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:31.399 show up and you look a bit tired, or your 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.720 hair's not done or you didn't have time to do makeup, 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.840 you'll be like sorry about how I lost. Yeah, Like, 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.000 don't apologize for things that are natural about you. Yeah, 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.800 But that's like our automatic kind of response because we've 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.800