1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: It would be interesting to be a fly on the 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: wall watching the perpetrator. Right now, he would be waiting 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: for someone to knock on the door and take him away. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: I think that they should be very nervous. 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to the second update episode of Dear Rochelle. You're 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: behind the scenes access to this live podcast investigation series. 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Ashley Hanson, Rochelle's sister Christy her mum 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: Anne are retired New South Wales detective. 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: Damien Lune are here with me. 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: It's been a big few weeks with key developments in 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: the case and even more team Shell tattoos, including one 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: from a particularly important supporter, and Dear Rochelle is now 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: becoming an international podcast hit. 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: There's also an. 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: Update on the CCTV footage from the night Rochelle was murdered, 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: which is now being enhanced in the hope of improving 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: its quality. But first, on the seventh of April twenty 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: twenty five, New South Wales Police announced they would examine 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: the petrol cap of Shell's car for the first time 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: in over two decades. The vehicle, now stored in Christie's 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: farm shed, spent years in a police holding yard. This 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: move follows a search dog Sydney examination commissioned by the family, 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 2: which raised questions about whether the petrol cap had ever 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: been tested for fingerprints. Here's Christie describing what happened when 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: officers arrived at her property at the beginning of April. 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: I received a call at about quarter past eight. 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: Monday morning on the way to work, and they said 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: that they were coming out that day to seize Michelle's 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: petrol cap for forensic testing, which is very exciting. 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: What are you hoping for to come out of that testing. 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Well, they said that they're going to use a chemical 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: process to see if they can lift fingerprints off it. 33 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: I was very nervous about them taking it because of 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, they've lost a lot of things in the past, 35 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: so it was kind of like they were taking a 36 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: piece of gold. I mean, it's a long shot, but 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm happy to do whatever we can at this point. 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: Damien, what do you think about that development? 39 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 5: Well, it's a good point you make, because I believe 40 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 5: that through the notes in the Dear Rochelle podcast is 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 5: that no concluse's evidence if that petrol cap was actually 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 5: tested back in the day of Rochelle's homicide. So you know, 43 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 5: hindsight's probably a better thing now that you come up 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 5: and grab hold of it, and they are true. It's 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: typicult to do fingerprints and DNA at the same time 46 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 5: because of the chemicals that you use, but they will 47 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 5: have a process there to see if there's any evidence 48 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 5: on that petrol cap. 49 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: A few weeks later, Christie heard back from the New 50 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: South Wales Police Unsolved Homicide Squad. They shared the result 51 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: of the petrol cap examination and gave her a few 52 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: other updates, including plans to enhance crucial CCTV from the 53 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: Bargo train station which is opposite the Bargo Hotel, as 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: well as some security video from a service station near 55 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: GIRoA on the night Rochelle went missing. 56 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: They tested the fuel cap. I believe it was only 57 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: for fingerprints and they didn't glean anything from that. 58 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: And a heartwarming development after coming across the podcast investigation, 59 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: an Aussie bus company called Platinum Shuttles has got right 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: behind the campaign. 61 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: He earns a bus company and he used to play 62 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: cricket with Rochelle and he wants to put signage on 63 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: the back of his buses that has this beautiful photo 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: of Rochelle. That news crop of supplied and information about 65 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: calling crime stoppers and the reward, and so I said, yeah, no, definitely, 66 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic, particularly because his buses get around 67 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: Southwest Sydney. 68 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: That's perfect. 69 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: And how do you feel that Rachelle's face is going 70 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: to be on a bus? 71 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 6: Well, it's everywhere else and one not a bus. So 72 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 6: I mean I'm happyound quite a game of it. 73 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: And now an evidence update. 74 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: If you're up to speed with the podcast, you'll know 75 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: Rochelle's family has always had questions about CCTV captured on 76 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: the night Rochelle went missing. The police have given Christy 77 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: an update on some footage they hope could hold vital clues. 78 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: He's sent the CCTV footage that we've got and I 79 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: believe that one of them is a service station at 80 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: South Naharah and the other one is the train station 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: where you can see the Bargo Hotel in the background. 82 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 4: Because they're on VHS. 83 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: He's sending them to a lab that might be the 84 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: wrong word in Queensland to get it enhanced. And once 85 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: it's enhanced and digitally back in his hands, he would 86 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: like Mum and I to come and view it, which 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: is great. 88 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 6: It's fantasy. I can't wait to see myself, Christian and 89 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 6: I don't wait. 90 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they can improve the quality. It's super grainy. 91 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: So even getting that one enhance, if they could if 92 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: you could see that car exactly where that car went in, 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: came out, went in, came out, we just went in. 94 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: That would tell a lot of the story. 95 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: Oh, that's so crucial to fill in those missing hours 96 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: that we keep talking about, and to pinpoint when the 97 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: car was placed at the Bargo hotel when it came 98 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: and went from there, could be really telling and could 99 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: could help us and could help police in this investigation. 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. 101 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: I think it could tell that there was an early 102 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: model commodore going eat and say what time? But he 103 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: said that he could he could see that it was, 104 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: but you couldn't tell whether it was hers or not. 105 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: So perhaps with advancements in technology, when they're enhancing that footage, 106 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: perhaps we'll be able to see she had such a 107 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: distinctive number plate, being that white on black and being 108 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, just two letters and lots of zeros. 109 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 4: I think that you know, that could maybe help. 110 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: You might remember from episode two that christina best friend 111 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: Mindy got Team Shell tattoos. Well, now even more people 112 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: have joined them. One of them is Craig Duck, the 113 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: man who discovered Rochelle's burning body. It is something that's 114 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: stayed with him ever since, and now he's shown his 115 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 2: support for Team Shell by getting inked. Here's a clip 116 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: of Craig just after getting his tat which I played 117 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: to Christine An. 118 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got me tatted in there, very very emotional 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 7: getting it done. It was awesome, Super proud that I 120 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 7: have got it done and be to Shelle and I 121 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 7: hope we do find her killer. 122 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: How does that make you feel, Christian Anne? 123 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: That's awesome. He's just beautiful, isn't he? Look at him? 124 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: He got it on his chest. 125 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 4: That's gorgeous. 126 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: That just goes to show how much of an impact 127 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: this has had on him. 128 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 129 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: I often think about Craig and think about, you know, 130 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: what he would have seen and how that would have 131 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: sat with him. 132 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes my heart happy. He's just gorgeous. 133 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: Well, we've had My cousin now has Teamshell upper leg, 134 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: Rochelle's good friend Colleen and her daughter Tonay. Colleen has 135 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: it on her arm, Tonay has it on her wrist. 136 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: One of my best friends die I said yesterday that 137 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: she is going to get it as well. 138 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: And how do you react to that? 139 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: Hearing that people are more people are coming forward and 140 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: getting Team shell tattooed on them. 141 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 6: It was very weird, actually, but again, it's getting it 142 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 6: out there and that's a hell of a support. Actually, today, 143 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 6: where I was earlier, a friend said she was so 144 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 6: proud of what we're doing. And she plays golf and 145 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 6: she said, I want one of those T shirts and 146 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 6: the team will all wear one. I just am amazed 147 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 6: at what the girl today wanted to do. I don't 148 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 6: care how much it is, just let me know. I'll 149 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 6: give you money and whatever. She's really keen and she's 150 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 6: so supportive of what we're doing. Was putting me away. Actually, 151 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 6: I was thinking, I've already got a tattoo on my 152 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 6: left back of my left shoulder. I might add it 153 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 6: to that or I believe. I don't know, but I'll 154 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 6: be doing it. I just don't know where. 155 00:08:58,760 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: Mom's going to get ink. 156 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: Well. 157 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: There are followers now in the UK and all around 158 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: the world. As of recording this episode, the podcast is 159 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: ranked number two on the UK Apple Podcast app, which 160 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: is incredible. How does that sit with you, Anne and Christy? 161 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 6: It blows me away. It's just it is anything is 162 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 6: going to help. But this is just far beyond anything 163 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 6: I ever thought it would happen. It's Brilliantell. 164 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 4: I know, I don't. I don't even know what to say. 165 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 4: I don't. I was not expecting that. 166 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: How does that? How does that even happen so fast? 167 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: On the other side of the world. The whole world 168 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: is going to fall in love with her and they're 169 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: going to want to see this through for her. 170 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: As you. Just like in life, everyone just fell in 171 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 4: love with her. 172 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: I think, Oh, Mum wrote your poem. I used to 173 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: share it when I was down in Sydney and I 174 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: did and I felt really bad. 175 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 4: So she was trying to find it. She was looking 176 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 4: through a phone. I said, put your phone down. 177 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 3: I look forward to reading it. Have you found it? 178 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 6: Just a short note to our little friend Ash. Will 179 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 6: you sure jumped into our world with a massive splash? 180 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 4: Without you? 181 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 6: Where would we be a shit creek with no pedal 182 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 6: to see, trying to find our way through, about to crash? 183 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: It was just a wricking Annie. 184 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: Oh, you are such a sweetheart, and that's so beautiful. 185 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 4: She likes poems to you. That's what I do. It's 186 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 4: a very cute. 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