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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another bonus episode of Big Business. In

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Speaker 1: case you didn't know, I come out with a main

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Speaker 1: episode every week and a bonus, And in today's bonus,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be chatting about two things, managing burnout

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Speaker 1: and setting healthy boundaries.

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Speaker 2: For yourself as a business owner.

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Speaker 1: And I've got to give a shout out to Alisha

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Speaker 1: from the Petal Collective who DMed me on my Big

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Speaker 1: Business Instagram account with these questions. So question one is

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Speaker 1: how do you manage the burnout period, especially when your

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Speaker 1: business is new and you feel like you need to go,

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Speaker 1: go go twenty four seven? And then her second question

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Speaker 1: is Okay, Xander thinks we just need to answer that

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Speaker 1: one first. How do you manage a burnout period, especially

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Speaker 1: when your business is new and you feel like you

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Speaker 1: need to go, go go twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four to seven.

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Speaker 1: Well, I like to keep it real here on Big Business, Alisha,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you straight away now, even

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Speaker 1: when your business isn't new, you're gonna feel that way.

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Speaker 1: I'm eight years in and I still feel that pressure

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Speaker 1: of go, go go all the time. If anything, I

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Speaker 1: think the bigger your business gets and the older it gets,

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Speaker 1: the more you feel that pressure. I know that's a

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Speaker 1: really kind of negative sounding thing to say, but I

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Speaker 1: keep it real. When it comes to business, it never

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Speaker 1: fucking gets easier if I'm being completely honest with you.

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Speaker 1: And I know that the way that I post about

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Speaker 1: my business on social media, especially in my reels and tiktoks,

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Speaker 1: it can make it seem so fun and easy, but

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Speaker 1: you've got to remember when it comes to tiktoks and

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Speaker 1: Instagram reels, I'm trying to entertain people. You know. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to get on my Instagram reels and say,

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Speaker 1: like all the fucked up shit that I'm dealing with

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Speaker 1: at work, number one, because that would be extremely unprofessional.

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Speaker 2: And number two, I don't want my social media.

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Speaker 1: To be a negative space or to make anyone have

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Speaker 1: negative vibes coming from my content. Like when I'm creating

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Speaker 1: my content about my business, I want to inspire people.

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Speaker 1: I want to entertain them. I want to give them

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Speaker 1: something to laugh at. So that's why I don't really.

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Speaker 2: Talk about the negative shit on social media.

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Speaker 1: I also, I just feel like it's a bad Is

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Speaker 1: it like a bad omen?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the right word.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for, like to put like negative stuff out

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Speaker 1: onto the internet. But that's why I love having this podcast,

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Speaker 1: because it's here where I can kind of talk about

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Speaker 1: some of the more challenging parts of business, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is a little safe space where I

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Speaker 1: can do so. But how do you manage the burnout period?

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Speaker 1: I think it's just being mindful of when you are

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Speaker 1: feeling burnt out, not gonna lie. I haven't really spoken

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Speaker 1: about this much on social media, definitely not. Another reason

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Speaker 1: why I don't talk about this on social media is

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Speaker 1: I've got seventy employees, and I'm really mindful of what

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Speaker 1: I say on my social media and how they might

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Speaker 1: portray me. But twenty twenty five has been absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Fucked for me. It's just pissing himself.

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Speaker 1: Like we went into this year and first week back

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Speaker 1: it was like shit was just.

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Speaker 2: Hitting the fan, left, right, and center.

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Speaker 1: And we've had challenge after challenge thrown at us, like

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Speaker 1: been able to catch my breath yet, or I haven't

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Speaker 1: been able to actually start working on anything that I

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Speaker 1: putting out so many fires at Fate and like that's

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Speaker 1: just the reality of business. And of course I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to go and make reels being like this week

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Speaker 1: is been fucked at work and like that's why I

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Speaker 1: don't get on my stories and say, fuck, I'm really

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Speaker 1: struggling at work this week because I'm worried that my

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Speaker 1: staff are going to fucking see it and go was

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Speaker 1: it me? Like, you know, like that's something I'm so

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Speaker 1: mindful of, but I'll happily vent about it here. And like,

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Speaker 1: won't lie. I've felt extremely burnt out. I've been saying

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Speaker 1: this stuff going on at work, which is mainly to

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Speaker 1: it's going to be really difficult to make every single

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Speaker 1: knowing when you need to take a little break. Writing

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Speaker 1: of paper. And I think it's also important to remind yourself,

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Speaker 1: like when you're going through like a stressful time at

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Speaker 1: always say, Like if we're dealing with something at work

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Speaker 1: I just think it's not that fucking big of a deal.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day. You'll always figure it

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Speaker 1: it's just important to take time for yourself express how

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Speaker 1: you're feeling. Like I said to AJ, Fuck, I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: really burnt out from everyone at work this week. I

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Speaker 1: I'm being pulled back from all of these setbacks. And

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Speaker 1: you're going to feel better. Like I'm feeling really good now,

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Speaker 1: but you know, a few weeks back, I was like,

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Speaker 1: to go through those waves. I say these all the time,

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Speaker 1: and I hate saying cliche sayings, but nothing good comes easy,

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Speaker 3: You recently took a little bit of time off and

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Speaker 3: Oh? I thought you were in like the bloody Bahamas

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Speaker 3: or wit Ah. Well, you recently took some time off

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Speaker 1: And AJ and I I don't think we've ever gone

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't think I've ever seen you besides you

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Speaker 3: gone away. Yeah, I've seen you take a break.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like you need to have guilt

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm messaging all the group chats like you

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Speaker 2: And it's something that I'm working on.

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Speaker 1: sentiment of setting healthy boundaries for founders to create a

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Speaker 1: RESTful and restorative nighttime routine. But when I work eight

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Speaker 1: I actually said to AJ last week, and we're going

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Speaker 1: I'm very much the same in my position. I saw

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Speaker 1: it's something that we're always constantly working on and can

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Speaker 3: I actually took a lot away from the piece of

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Speaker 3: and I've implemented parts of it into my daily routine now,

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Speaker 3: and especially now when like there's so much like doom

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Speaker 3: the moment. It's a lot when you wake up in

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Speaker 3: with like negativity that I seen from my phone that

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Speaker 3: it was actually affecting how I was throughout the day,

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Speaker 3: how I interacted with people, like my productivity, how I

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Speaker 3: was tackling tasks at work. So now what I do

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Speaker 3: is when I wake up in the morning, all I

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Speaker 3: do on my phone is turn my alarm off and

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Speaker 3: I do not go on social media. I don't check

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Speaker 3: any notifications until I get to get to work. And

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Speaker 3: it's completely changed the way I operate throughout the day.

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Speaker 3: So like, I'm feeling less burnt out because of it,

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Speaker 3: because my mind isn't focused on that and it's not

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Speaker 3: thinking about those things yes when I get to work.

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Speaker 3: So maybe that's something that anyone listening you can start

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Speaker 3: implementing to help with that with some burnout. It's not

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Speaker 3: going to help everything, no, but I know it's helped me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And it also feels fucking great not to be in

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Speaker 3: my phone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm so excited, Like literally this week, I'm

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Speaker 1: last three or four nights, and like, I honestly want

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Speaker 1: to try like no phones in bed.

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Speaker 2: Because it's our thing.

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Speaker 1: Like it's like you're scrolling until your past out, like

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Speaker 1: you're watching tiktoks until you can't keep your eyes open anymore.

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Speaker 2: We both do it, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Like, this can't be good for us, and like, surely

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Speaker 1: it's not giving us the best sleep that we can get.

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Speaker 1: Whereas like I want to get in bed and we'll

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Speaker 1: either say, like no technology at all, we might just

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Speaker 1: talk and fall asleep, or we might like put a

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Speaker 1: movie on the laptop and we're watching it together. We're

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Speaker 1: not like going to put a movie on the laptop

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Speaker 1: it just can't be good for us, like for our health,

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Speaker 1: for our sleep. And I'm really looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much, Alicia for sending in your questions.

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Speaker 1: When it comes down to it, managing burnout and you know,

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Speaker 1: managing how much time you're working at night, it's something

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Speaker 1: that you just need to work out for yourself, and

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Speaker 1: I get the importance of needing to work at night

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Speaker 1: when that is the only time that you have.

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Speaker 2: But just set those boundaries.

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Speaker 1: With yourself, limit the time that you're doing it, and

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Speaker 1: don't stretch yourself because yeah, you don't want to end

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Speaker 1: up in a burnout period. But please know you're not

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Speaker 1: alone when it comes to feeling burn and burnout.

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Speaker 2: We all go.

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Speaker 1: Through it, all of us. Like you don't even have

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Speaker 1: to be a business owner. We all experience burnout. Xander

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Speaker 1: will be the first tell.

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Speaker 3: You that I'm the most bloody burnt out.

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Speaker 2: That isn't your middle name burnt out?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Xander, burnt out.

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Speaker 1: Cross Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: But thank you so much Alicia for sending in your

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Speaker 2: questions