WEBVTT - Explicit messages found on Erin Patterson’s phone

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<v Speaker 1>From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>the Aaron Patterson triple murder trial is racing towards a conclusion,

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<v Speaker 1>and the juries heard Facebook messages extracted from Aaron Patterson's phone,

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<v Speaker 1>which allegedly called her ex husband a deadbeat and his

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<v Speaker 1>parents a lost cause. Aaron Patterson is pleading not guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to three counts of murder and one of attempted murder. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>how the case against Aaron Patterson is playing out In

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<v Speaker 1>coming days in the chile Victorian town of Molwell, a

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<v Speaker 1>jury will retire to consider two competing versions of one

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<v Speaker 1>Momentous Lunch the Crown.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the prosecution case that the accused deliberately poisoned

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<v Speaker 2>with murderous intent each of Ian Wilkinson, Heather Wilkinson, Gail Patterson,

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<v Speaker 2>and Donald Patterson on the twenty ninth of July at

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<v Speaker 2>her house and Lee and Gatha after inviting them for

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<v Speaker 2>lunch on the pretense that she'd been diagnosed with cancer

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<v Speaker 2>and needed advice about how to break it to the

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<v Speaker 2>children and the defense.

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<v Speaker 3>The defense case is that she panicked because she was

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelmed by the fact that these four people had become

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<v Speaker 3>so ill because of the food that she'd served. Allegations

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<v Speaker 3>are easy to make, but it's proving them that matters.

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<v Speaker 3>The starting point for you is that Aaron Patterson is

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<v Speaker 3>innocent of this charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the prosecution and defense lawyers. Their words are

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<v Speaker 1>read for you by voice actors addressing the jury at

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<v Speaker 1>the start of the trial of Victorian mother Aaron Patterson,

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<v Speaker 1>accused of the murder of three elderly relatives and the

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<v Speaker 1>attempted murder of a fourth. The Crown says Aaron Patterson

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<v Speaker 1>researched and obtained death cap mushrooms, cooked them into a

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<v Speaker 1>beef Wellington and served them to her parents in law

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<v Speaker 1>and her husband's aunt and uncle. The defense says she

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<v Speaker 1>never meant harm anyone. After four weeks of evidence, the

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<v Speaker 1>Crown's case is racing to a conclusion, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>will be the defense's turn to bring witnesses and present

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to the jury. Of course, the defense doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to prove anything. It's the Crown which must prove beyond

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable doubt not only that Aaron Patterson's actions resulted in

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<v Speaker 1>three deaths, but that she intended to kill Doningale Patterson,

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<v Speaker 1>Auntie Heather, and uncle Ian Wilkinson, the only guest to

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<v Speaker 1>survive that July twenty twenty three lunch.

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<v Speaker 4>The case has been really varied from deeply personal to

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<v Speaker 4>quite technical. So, for example, when we heard evidence from

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<v Speaker 4>Ian Wilkinson, the sole surviving guest of this fatal beef

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<v Speaker 4>Wellington lunch. That was quite personal, quite emotional. But then

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<v Speaker 4>we've also heard from the doctors who treated Aaron Patterson,

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<v Speaker 4>the Pattersons and the Wilkinsons. After the lunch, we've heard

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<v Speaker 4>from a cell tower expert talking about the data extracted

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<v Speaker 4>from Aaron Patterson's cell phone records. It's all been quite

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<v Speaker 4>dense and quite technical, so yeah, it's been really varied.

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<v Speaker 1>Ellie Dudley is The Australian's Legal Affairs correspondent and she

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<v Speaker 1>joins us from the Victorian Supreme Court, sitting at Molwell

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<v Speaker 1>in the Latrobe Valley. Fifteen jurors were impaneled at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this trial. One has already been dismissed, a

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<v Speaker 1>man whom Justice Christopher Biale told the court had been

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<v Speaker 1>discussing the matter with family and friends.

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<v Speaker 5>You must not conduct your own research into the case

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<v Speaker 5>or discuss the case with others who are not on

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<v Speaker 5>the jury.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a voice actor reading the words of Justice Bihl

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<v Speaker 1>to the remaining jurors after they heard evidence about what

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Patterson had allegedly been searching on her computer.

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<v Speaker 5>When you're retired to consider your verdict, you will have

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<v Speaker 5>heard or received in court all the information that you

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<v Speaker 5>need to make your decision.

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<v Speaker 6>Erin's very intelligent. I guess some of the things that

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<v Speaker 6>attracted me to her in the first place was definitely

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<v Speaker 6>her intelligence. She's quite witty and can be quite funny.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a voice actor reading the words of Simon Patterson,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Patterson's husband and the father of their two children.

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<v Speaker 1>He was invited to the lunch but told his estranged

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<v Speaker 1>wife he didn't want to come, something that in text

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<v Speaker 1>messages read to the jury, she objected.

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<v Speaker 6>To, Sorry, I feel too uncomfortable about coming to the

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<v Speaker 6>lunch with your mum, dad, Heather and I and tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm happy to talk about your health and implications

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<v Speaker 6>of that at another time. If you'd like to discuss

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<v Speaker 6>on the phone, just let me know.

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<v Speaker 1>Five minutes later, Aaron Patterson replied, a voice actor reads

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<v Speaker 1>her words.

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<v Speaker 7>That's really disappointing. I've spent many hours this week preparing

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<v Speaker 7>lunch for tomorrow, which has been exhausting in light of

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<v Speaker 7>the issues I'm facing, and spent a small fortune on beef.

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<v Speaker 7>I Philip to make beef Wellington's because I wanted it

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<v Speaker 7>to be a special meal as I may not be

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<v Speaker 7>able to host a lunch like this again for some time.

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<v Speaker 7>It's important to me that you're all there tomorrow and

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<v Speaker 7>that I can have the conversations that I need to have.

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<v Speaker 7>I hope you'll change your mind. Your parents and Heather

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<v Speaker 7>and Ian are coming at twelve thirty. I hope to

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<v Speaker 7>see you there.

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<v Speaker 4>Simon Patterson was a really interesting witness. At times he

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<v Speaker 4>appeared to be quite joyful, and at other times he

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<v Speaker 4>got very emotional, particularly when talking about his parents on

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<v Speaker 4>their deathbeds. After this Beef Wellington lunch, he spoke about

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<v Speaker 4>his troubled marriage with Aaron Patterson, about how they split

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<v Speaker 4>for good in twenty fifteen, despite the earlier parts of

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<v Speaker 4>their relationship being marred by shorter separations, but he said

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<v Speaker 4>that their relationship was quite amicable. When they split in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty fifteen, they still went on family holidays together. They

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<v Speaker 4>co parented their children. He said that they would text

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<v Speaker 4>back and forth about politics, they would make jokes with

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<v Speaker 4>one another, but then in twenty twenty two that all

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<v Speaker 4>changed when he says, accidentally listed himself as separated on

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<v Speaker 4>his tax return, and Aaron Patterson became upset by that

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<v Speaker 4>and asked him to start paying her child support in

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<v Speaker 4>a formal capacity, so while doctors were frantically trying to

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<v Speaker 4>treat these patients in hospital. On July thirty one, twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty three, so two days after the lunch, the leftovers

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<v Speaker 4>of the meal were sent in an urgent taxi to

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<v Speaker 4>a research scientist at the Royal Botanic Gardens of Victoria

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<v Speaker 4>called Camille Trong.

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<v Speaker 1>They were sent to.

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<v Speaker 4>Her in her office, but due to a miscommunication, she

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<v Speaker 4>had gone home and they ended up getting taken to

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<v Speaker 4>her home by one of her colleagues. And what she

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<v Speaker 4>did was she put on gloves. She carefully removed the

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<v Speaker 4>leftovers from the packaging that they were sent to her in.

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<v Speaker 4>She used tweezers and under a microscope she analyzed this

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<v Speaker 4>leftover meal.

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<v Speaker 1>Ian Wilkinson, the sole survivor of the lunch, recounted in

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<v Speaker 1>close detail his account of how everything went down, from

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Patterson plating up the individual serves of beef Wellington

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<v Speaker 1>to the conversation they had over the meal. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>voice actor reading Ian Wilkinson's words.

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<v Speaker 8>I believe that she was saying she had cancer. It

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't an impression. She plainly said that she had some

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<v Speaker 8>sort of cancer. She said that she was very concerned

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<v Speaker 8>because she believed it was very serious, life threatening. She

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<v Speaker 8>was anxious about telling the kids, and she was asking

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<v Speaker 8>our advice about that. I thought this is the reason

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<v Speaker 8>that we'd been invited to the lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Simon Patterson told of the frantic events of the morning

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<v Speaker 1>after the lunch when he spoke to his parents and

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<v Speaker 1>then his aunt and uncle, realizing they were all seriously unwell.

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<v Speaker 1>He took his aunt and uncle to hospital and then

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<v Speaker 1>doctors and nurses began the frantic process of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>work out what on earth was wrong with them, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the days after the lunch, Aaron Patterson's red car

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<v Speaker 1>was captured on CCTV driving to the Kunwara transfer station

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<v Speaker 1>and the landfill.

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<v Speaker 4>She got out of the driver's door, she walked around

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<v Speaker 4>the back of the car. She opened up the boot,

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<v Speaker 4>and she took out what was a large black device

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<v Speaker 4>from the back of the car and walked in into

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<v Speaker 4>a big green, corrugated iron shed. The jury was also

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<v Speaker 4>shown an image of what they were told was the

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<v Speaker 4>device taken out of the bin in that shed, which

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<v Speaker 4>was a black dehydrator.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up the Facebook messages allegedly extracted from Aaron Patterson's phone.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday, a new twist, the jury was told Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>messages had been extracted from Aaron Patterson's phone under the

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<v Speaker 1>handle Eron Erin Erin. The messages relate to the split

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<v Speaker 1>between Simon and Aaron Patterson, including a disagreement on how

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<v Speaker 1>child support should be paid.

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<v Speaker 7>Simon's dad contacted me this morning to say that he

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<v Speaker 7>and Gail had tried to talk to Simon about the

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<v Speaker 7>matters I raised and to get his side, but he

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<v Speaker 7>refused to talk about it other than to signal he

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<v Speaker 7>disagreed with what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a voice actor reading the Facebook messages extracted from

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Patterson's phone.

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<v Speaker 7>Beyond that, he said he won't talk about it. So

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<v Speaker 7>Don said they can't adjudicate if they don't know both sides,

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<v Speaker 7>and Simon won't give his side, so he said, all

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<v Speaker 7>he can ask is that Simon and I get together

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<v Speaker 7>and pray for the children this family. I swear to God,

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<v Speaker 7>I said to him about fifty times yesterday that I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't want them to adjudicate. Nobody bloody listened to me.

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<v Speaker 7>At least I know they're a lost cause. I wonder

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<v Speaker 7>if they've got any capacity for self reflection at all.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, clearly, the fact that Simon refused to talk

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<v Speaker 7>about personal issues in parts stems from the behavior of

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<v Speaker 7>his parents and how they operate. According to them, they've

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<v Speaker 7>never asked him what's going on with us, why I

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<v Speaker 7>keep kicking him out, why his son hates him, etc.

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<v Speaker 7>It's too awkward or uncomfortable or something. So that's his

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<v Speaker 7>learned behavior. Just don't talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>In early December twenty twenty two, the messages appear to

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<v Speaker 1>refer to an alleged conversation between Don Patterson, Simon's father,

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<v Speaker 1>and Erin, and then he also said Simon indicated there

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<v Speaker 1>was a solution to the financial issues if I withdraw

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<v Speaker 1>the child support claim. My head nearly exploded and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like what, and Don goes, oh, sorry, just ignore

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<v Speaker 1>what I said. I don't want to get involved. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I sent a group message to them all last night

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<v Speaker 1>saying how Simon's behavior is unconscionable and asking me to

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<v Speaker 1>withdraw the child support claim is wrong and disadvantages me

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<v Speaker 1>and his children, and how dare he, etc. Don messages

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<v Speaker 1>to say he and Gail don't want to get involved.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sick of this. I want nothing to do with them.

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<v Speaker 7>I thought his parents would want him to do the

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<v Speaker 7>right thing, but it seems they're concerned about not wanting

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<v Speaker 7>to feel uncomfortable and not wanting to get involved in

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<v Speaker 7>their son's personal matters. Are overwriting that so them, and in.

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<v Speaker 1>A message allegedly sent the next day, December seven, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 7>His parents sent me a message yesterday after noon, and

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<v Speaker 7>Simon sent me one last night. But I've read neither

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<v Speaker 7>and I don't think I will. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 7>hear it. Simon's will just be horrible and be gaslighting

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<v Speaker 7>and abusive, and it'll ruin my day, and his parents'

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<v Speaker 7>message will just be more weasel words. By refusing to

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<v Speaker 7>hold Simon to account, they've made it clear his word

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<v Speaker 7>means more than mine, So that speaks volumes. Even if

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<v Speaker 7>they claim they haven't taken sides. They've had Simon for

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<v Speaker 7>tea every night for three months and never once picked

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<v Speaker 7>up the phone to me since the separation, asking if

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<v Speaker 7>I'm okay and need help, So that tells me their choices.

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<v Speaker 7>Simon wants to walk away from his responsibilities too, well,

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<v Speaker 7>that's his choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, an alleged mention of the financial arrangements.

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<v Speaker 7>His mum was horrified that I'd claimed child support. Why

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<v Speaker 7>isn't she horrified Her son is such a deadbeat that

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<v Speaker 7>I had no choice but to claim.

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<v Speaker 1>Ellie Dudley's the Australian's Legal affairs correspondent and she's covering

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<v Speaker 1>this trial live. You can read her coverage, along with

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<v Speaker 1>that of senior writer John Ferguson, anytime at the Australian

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