1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: It's Friday May twenty three, twenty twenty five. Victoria police 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: directed anti Israel protesters to gather outside of Melbourne's synagogue 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: before a violent clash in twenty twenty three. That's an 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: exclusive live at the Australian dot com dot you right now, 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: gangster Johnny Reagan attempted to murder a famous whistleblowing brothel keeper. 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: That's the startling new revelation in a fresh episode of 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: our investigative podcast, The Gangster's Ghost, Live today at Gangstersghost 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: dot com. 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Aaron Patterson is pleading not guilty 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: to three counts of murder and one of attempted murder. Today, 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: how the case against Aaron Patterson is playing out In 21 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: coming days in the chile Victorian town of Molwell, a 22 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: jury will retire to consider two competing versions of one 23 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: Momentous Lunch the Crown. 24 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,919 Speaker 2: It is the prosecution case that the accused deliberately poisoned 25 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: with murderous intent each of Ian Wilkinson, Heather Wilkinson, Gail Patterson, 26 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: and Donald Patterson on the twenty ninth of July at 27 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: her house and Lee and Gatha after inviting them for 28 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: lunch on the pretense that she'd been diagnosed with cancer 29 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: and needed advice about how to break it to the 30 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: children and the defense. 31 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: The defense case is that she panicked because she was 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: overwhelmed by the fact that these four people had become 33 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: so ill because of the food that she'd served. Allegations 34 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: are easy to make, but it's proving them that matters. 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: The starting point for you is that Aaron Patterson is 36 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: innocent of this charge. 37 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Those are the prosecution and defense lawyers. Their words are 38 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: read for you by voice actors addressing the jury at 39 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: the start of the trial of Victorian mother Aaron Patterson, 40 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: accused of the murder of three elderly relatives and the 41 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: attempted murder of a fourth. The Crown says Aaron Patterson 42 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: researched and obtained death cap mushrooms, cooked them into a 43 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: beef Wellington and served them to her parents in law 44 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: and her husband's aunt and uncle. The defense says she 45 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: never meant harm anyone. After four weeks of evidence, the 46 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: Crown's case is racing to a conclusion, and then it 47 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: will be the defense's turn to bring witnesses and present 48 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: evidence to the jury. Of course, the defense doesn't have 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: to prove anything. It's the Crown which must prove beyond 50 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt not only that Aaron Patterson's actions resulted in 51 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: three deaths, but that she intended to kill Doningale Patterson, 52 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: Auntie Heather, and uncle Ian Wilkinson, the only guest to 53 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: survive that July twenty twenty three lunch. 54 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 4: The case has been really varied from deeply personal to 55 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: quite technical. So, for example, when we heard evidence from 56 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 4: Ian Wilkinson, the sole surviving guest of this fatal beef 57 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: Wellington lunch. That was quite personal, quite emotional. But then 58 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: we've also heard from the doctors who treated Aaron Patterson, 59 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: the Pattersons and the Wilkinsons. After the lunch, we've heard 60 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: from a cell tower expert talking about the data extracted 61 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: from Aaron Patterson's cell phone records. It's all been quite 62 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: dense and quite technical, so yeah, it's been really varied. 63 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: Ellie Dudley is The Australian's Legal Affairs correspondent and she 64 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: joins us from the Victorian Supreme Court, sitting at Molwell 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: in the Latrobe Valley. Fifteen jurors were impaneled at the 66 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: beginning of this trial. One has already been dismissed, a 67 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: man whom Justice Christopher Biale told the court had been 68 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: discussing the matter with family and friends. 69 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 5: You must not conduct your own research into the case 70 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 5: or discuss the case with others who are not on 71 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 5: the jury. 72 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: That's a voice actor reading the words of Justice Bihl 73 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: to the remaining jurors after they heard evidence about what 74 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson had allegedly been searching on her computer. 75 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 5: When you're retired to consider your verdict, you will have 76 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 5: heard or received in court all the information that you 77 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 5: need to make your decision. 78 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 6: Erin's very intelligent. I guess some of the things that 79 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 6: attracted me to her in the first place was definitely 80 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 6: her intelligence. She's quite witty and can be quite funny. 81 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: That's a voice actor reading the words of Simon Patterson, 82 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson's husband and the father of their two children. 83 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: He was invited to the lunch but told his estranged 84 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: wife he didn't want to come, something that in text 85 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: messages read to the jury, she objected. 86 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 6: To, Sorry, I feel too uncomfortable about coming to the 87 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 6: lunch with your mum, dad, Heather and I and tomorrow. 88 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 6: But I'm happy to talk about your health and implications 89 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 6: of that at another time. If you'd like to discuss 90 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 6: on the phone, just let me know. 91 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: Five minutes later, Aaron Patterson replied, a voice actor reads 92 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: her words. 93 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 7: That's really disappointing. I've spent many hours this week preparing 94 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 7: lunch for tomorrow, which has been exhausting in light of 95 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 7: the issues I'm facing, and spent a small fortune on beef. 96 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 7: I Philip to make beef Wellington's because I wanted it 97 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 7: to be a special meal as I may not be 98 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 7: able to host a lunch like this again for some time. 99 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 7: It's important to me that you're all there tomorrow and 100 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 7: that I can have the conversations that I need to have. 101 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 7: I hope you'll change your mind. Your parents and Heather 102 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 7: and Ian are coming at twelve thirty. I hope to 103 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 7: see you there. 104 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: Simon Patterson was a really interesting witness. At times he 105 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 4: appeared to be quite joyful, and at other times he 106 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: got very emotional, particularly when talking about his parents on 107 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 4: their deathbeds. After this Beef Wellington lunch, he spoke about 108 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 4: his troubled marriage with Aaron Patterson, about how they split 109 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: for good in twenty fifteen, despite the earlier parts of 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 4: their relationship being marred by shorter separations, but he said 111 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: that their relationship was quite amicable. When they split in 112 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, they still went on family holidays together. They 113 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: co parented their children. He said that they would text 114 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: back and forth about politics, they would make jokes with 115 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: one another, but then in twenty twenty two that all 116 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: changed when he says, accidentally listed himself as separated on 117 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: his tax return, and Aaron Patterson became upset by that 118 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: and asked him to start paying her child support in 119 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 4: a formal capacity, so while doctors were frantically trying to 120 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: treat these patients in hospital. On July thirty one, twenty 121 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: twenty three, so two days after the lunch, the leftovers 122 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: of the meal were sent in an urgent taxi to 123 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: a research scientist at the Royal Botanic Gardens of Victoria 124 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 4: called Camille Trong. 125 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: They were sent to. 126 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: Her in her office, but due to a miscommunication, she 127 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: had gone home and they ended up getting taken to 128 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: her home by one of her colleagues. And what she 129 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 4: did was she put on gloves. She carefully removed the 130 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: leftovers from the packaging that they were sent to her in. 131 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: She used tweezers and under a microscope she analyzed this 132 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: leftover meal. 133 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Ian Wilkinson, the sole survivor of the lunch, recounted in 134 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: close detail his account of how everything went down, from 135 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson plating up the individual serves of beef Wellington 136 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: to the conversation they had over the meal. He's a 137 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: voice actor reading Ian Wilkinson's words. 138 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 8: I believe that she was saying she had cancer. It 139 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 8: wasn't an impression. She plainly said that she had some 140 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 8: sort of cancer. She said that she was very concerned 141 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 8: because she believed it was very serious, life threatening. She 142 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 8: was anxious about telling the kids, and she was asking 143 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 8: our advice about that. I thought this is the reason 144 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 8: that we'd been invited to the lunch. 145 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 1: Simon Patterson told of the frantic events of the morning 146 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: after the lunch when he spoke to his parents and 147 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: then his aunt and uncle, realizing they were all seriously unwell. 148 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: He took his aunt and uncle to hospital and then 149 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: doctors and nurses began the frantic process of trying to 150 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: work out what on earth was wrong with them, and 151 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: in the days after the lunch, Aaron Patterson's red car 152 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: was captured on CCTV driving to the Kunwara transfer station 153 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: and the landfill. 154 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: She got out of the driver's door, she walked around 155 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 4: the back of the car. She opened up the boot, 156 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: and she took out what was a large black device 157 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: from the back of the car and walked in into 158 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: a big green, corrugated iron shed. The jury was also 159 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 4: shown an image of what they were told was the 160 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 4: device taken out of the bin in that shed, which 161 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: was a black dehydrator. 162 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: Coming up the Facebook messages allegedly extracted from Aaron Patterson's phone. 163 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: On Thursday, a new twist, the jury was told Facebook 164 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: messages had been extracted from Aaron Patterson's phone under the 165 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: handle Eron Erin Erin. The messages relate to the split 166 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: between Simon and Aaron Patterson, including a disagreement on how 167 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: child support should be paid. 168 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 7: Simon's dad contacted me this morning to say that he 169 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 7: and Gail had tried to talk to Simon about the 170 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 7: matters I raised and to get his side, but he 171 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 7: refused to talk about it other than to signal he 172 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 7: disagreed with what I said. 173 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: That's a voice actor reading the Facebook messages extracted from 174 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson's phone. 175 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 7: Beyond that, he said he won't talk about it. So 176 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 7: Don said they can't adjudicate if they don't know both sides, 177 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 7: and Simon won't give his side, so he said, all 178 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 7: he can ask is that Simon and I get together 179 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 7: and pray for the children this family. I swear to God, 180 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 7: I said to him about fifty times yesterday that I 181 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 7: didn't want them to adjudicate. Nobody bloody listened to me. 182 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 7: At least I know they're a lost cause. I wonder 183 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 7: if they've got any capacity for self reflection at all. 184 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 7: I mean, clearly, the fact that Simon refused to talk 185 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 7: about personal issues in parts stems from the behavior of 186 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 7: his parents and how they operate. According to them, they've 187 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 7: never asked him what's going on with us, why I 188 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 7: keep kicking him out, why his son hates him, etc. 189 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 7: It's too awkward or uncomfortable or something. So that's his 190 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 7: learned behavior. Just don't talk about this. 191 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: In early December twenty twenty two, the messages appear to 192 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: refer to an alleged conversation between Don Patterson, Simon's father, 193 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: and Erin, and then he also said Simon indicated there 194 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: was a solution to the financial issues if I withdraw 195 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: the child support claim. My head nearly exploded and I 196 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: was like what, and Don goes, oh, sorry, just ignore 197 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: what I said. I don't want to get involved. So anyway, 198 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: I sent a group message to them all last night 199 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: saying how Simon's behavior is unconscionable and asking me to 200 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: withdraw the child support claim is wrong and disadvantages me 201 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: and his children, and how dare he, etc. Don messages 202 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: to say he and Gail don't want to get involved. 203 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 7: I'm sick of this. I want nothing to do with them. 204 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 7: I thought his parents would want him to do the 205 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 7: right thing, but it seems they're concerned about not wanting 206 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 7: to feel uncomfortable and not wanting to get involved in 207 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 7: their son's personal matters. Are overwriting that so them, and in. 208 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: A message allegedly sent the next day, December seven, twenty 209 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: twenty two. 210 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 7: His parents sent me a message yesterday after noon, and 211 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 7: Simon sent me one last night. But I've read neither 212 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 7: and I don't think I will. I don't want to 213 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,359 Speaker 7: hear it. Simon's will just be horrible and be gaslighting 214 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 7: and abusive, and it'll ruin my day, and his parents' 215 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 7: message will just be more weasel words. By refusing to 216 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 7: hold Simon to account, they've made it clear his word 217 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 7: means more than mine, So that speaks volumes. Even if 218 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 7: they claim they haven't taken sides. They've had Simon for 219 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 7: tea every night for three months and never once picked 220 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 7: up the phone to me since the separation, asking if 221 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 7: I'm okay and need help, So that tells me their choices. 222 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 7: Simon wants to walk away from his responsibilities too, well, 223 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 7: that's his choice. 224 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: Then, an alleged mention of the financial arrangements. 225 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 7: His mum was horrified that I'd claimed child support. Why 226 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 7: isn't she horrified Her son is such a deadbeat that 227 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 7: I had no choice but to claim. 228 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: Ellie Dudley's the Australian's Legal affairs correspondent and she's covering 229 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: this trial live. You can read her coverage, along with 230 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: that of senior writer John Ferguson, anytime at the Australian 231 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: dot com dot au