Speaker 1: Bit Sharry Good Evening Tonight an exclusive interview with the
Speaker 1: Jewish customer who is refused service by a pro Palestinian
Speaker 1: staff member at Officeworks. What'sir, I'm pro Palestine.
Speaker 2: That's okay.
Speaker 3: You're here to do a job of luminade.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have the right to deny jobs.
Speaker 1: Utterly outrageous and here will be joining the show live.
Speaker 1: I'll also bring you Officework's unacceptable response to this saga.
Speaker 1: Also tonight, concern the nation's housing crisis will worsen under
Speaker 1: Clara O'Neil, and China blames Australian beef for the positive
Speaker 1: drug test of two of its Olympic swimmers. Basil Zemplers
Speaker 1: and Matt Canavan will join me to discuss. This comes
Speaker 1: as the world is still processing a Chinese swimmer's jaw
Speaker 1: dropping world record and one hundred meter free, with one
Speaker 1: Aussie coach saying it's just not humanly possible that story
Speaker 1: coming up. So at first, we've entered an absurd new
Speaker 1: era where terrorism is, if not condoned, then accepted and
Speaker 1: even understood by Western political leaders and authorities. Terrorists who
Speaker 1: have killed thousands of innocent people are being offered plea
Speaker 1: deals and if they're killed, the left is worried about what.
Speaker 4: It will mean for stability.
Speaker 1: One of the master minds of the September eleventh terror attacks,
Speaker 1: Kaylid Sheik Muhammad, has been spared the death penalty and
Speaker 1: instead given a plea deal by American prosecutors. Two other
Speaker 1: Al Qaeda terrorists involved in the attack have also been
Speaker 1: given plea deals. Now, these are the last people who
Speaker 1: should ever be given deals for their role in the
Speaker 1: murder of two thousand, nine hundred and seventy six people
Speaker 1: in the Twin Towers, because what they did is unforgivable.
Speaker 1: The families of those who died are reportedly devastated. They've
Speaker 1: been waiting for twenty four years to see justice. The
Speaker 1: New York Post calls it an atrocity of justice. When
Speaker 1: Hamas chief Ismayo Honeyere was assassinated, you've probably heard concern
Speaker 1: in the media about the escalation in violence, rather than
Speaker 1: an acknowledgment or any praise for eliminating a bloodthirsty terrorist. Well,
Speaker 1: recall when President Barack Obama made this famous announcement in
Speaker 1: two thy and eleven.
Speaker 5: Tonight, I can report to the American people and to
Speaker 5: the world that the United States has conducted an operation
Speaker 5: that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda
Speaker 5: and a terrorist who's responsible for the murder of thousands
Speaker 5: of innocent men, women, and children.
Speaker 1: Osama Bin Laden was killed when elite US soldiers attracked
Speaker 1: him down in a Pakistani compound in a high risk,
Speaker 1: top secret operation. The news was welcomed, movies were made.
Speaker 1: The courage and stealth of the brave squad was rightly praised.
Speaker 1: It was a great political achievement for Obama as well.
Speaker 1: No one criticized the assassination out of concern or fear
Speaker 1: that al Qaida would retaliate.
Speaker 4: Of course not.
Speaker 1: We weren't so weak in those days, and terrorists weren't
Speaker 1: so emboldened. So what's happened to the world in the
Speaker 1: past thirteen years. The operation to assassinate Honeyea was brazen,
Speaker 1: presumably drawing on high level intelligence.
Speaker 4: Operatives tracked him down.
Speaker 1: And killed him in his own home in Tehran in
Speaker 1: an early morning strike. We presume it was Mossad, although
Speaker 1: Israel hasn't confirmed it. It was without question an impressive hit.
Speaker 1: He thought he was protect it safe from the violence
Speaker 1: of Gaza in the powerful city of Tehran. The lesson,
Speaker 1: of course, is that there's no place where these terrorists
Speaker 1: can hide. But it's bizarre that the reaction to the
Speaker 1: very welcome news that Honeye was killed has been muted,
Speaker 1: to say the least, both by authorities and the media. Instead,
Speaker 1: there are concerns for what it will mean for stability
Speaker 1: in the region and what will happen to the prospects
Speaker 1: of a ceasefire.
Speaker 6: The message to the other negotiators is we were on
Speaker 6: the brink of a ceasefire, and they were very close.
Speaker 6: The Americans thought they were within days. You someone has
Speaker 6: now shot dead our key negotiator, and they will assume.
Speaker 6: They will say it's the Israelis. We cannot now make
Speaker 6: a peace deal with you.
Speaker 1: And this could definitely have a negative effect on those
Speaker 1: ongoing negotiations.
Speaker 2: Certainly does maybe even irreparable damage to the ceasefire talks,
Speaker 2: since Hania was essentially the chief Palestinian negotiator.
Speaker 1: A ceasefire, by the way, that can't happen anyway until
Speaker 1: the hostages are returned and Hermas has surrendered or has
Speaker 1: been destroyed and is no.
Speaker 4: Longer in power.
Speaker 1: Well, it was a similar sentiment from the United Nations
Speaker 1: after the Security Council held emergency talks following the deaths
Speaker 1: of the Hamas and Hesbella leaders. The YUN concerned the
Speaker 1: air strikes have made matters worse.
Speaker 7: Dangerous escalation at a moment in which all efforts should
Speaker 7: instead be leading to a ceasefire in Gaza.
Speaker 1: Oh, Honey Yeh didn't remotely care about Palestinians. He was
Speaker 1: living in obscene wealth while causing misery.
Speaker 4: For his own people.
Speaker 1: Not only did he order barberic massacres against Israelis, but
Speaker 1: he was responsible for the military strategy where her Musk
Speaker 1: fighters operate from densely populated civilian areas, despite knowing this
Speaker 1: will cause innocent Palestinians to die. All the while, Honey
Speaker 1: Air was safely asconced in Qatar, living a comfortable life,
Speaker 1: plenty of food, and worth a call four billion dollars.
Speaker 1: The phrase that Benjamin NETTNYA, who uttered early on the
Speaker 1: need for moral clarity, encapsulates what we're seeing here. There's
Speaker 1: a bizarre confusion about what's right and wrong. Some on
Speaker 1: the left seem to think terrorism might be justified. The
Speaker 1: concern over the death of a terror chief is bizarre.
Speaker 1: You've heard the argument that the mission to destroy Hermas
Speaker 1: is pointless because an ideology can't be defeat it. Now,
Speaker 1: if you don't realize how warped this is, perhaps because
Speaker 1: you're so conditioned to hearing it from authority figures. Well,
Speaker 1: imagine if that was applied during World War II. I
Speaker 1: don't kill Hitler and the Nazis because you can never
Speaker 1: kill off the ideology of fascism.
Speaker 4: It's truly absurd.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's risk of escalation and retaliation, but of course
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you allow terrorism to foster. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you pack up and go home and allow terrorists
Speaker 1: to repeat atrocities over and over again without consequence. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean your own citizens should have to accept living
Speaker 1: in a state of fear and violence. And it's actually
Speaker 1: weakness in our global political leadership that has sent the
Speaker 1: message to the Ayatolas of Iran that they can get
Speaker 1: away with brazen strikes. They doubt America's global commitment to Israel.
Speaker 1: They doubt it's global leadership. The realization needs to sink
Speaker 1: in that yes, these terrorists are anti Semitic, but it's
Speaker 1: actually anti Americanism that's driving them. They see Israel as
Speaker 1: an arm of America because Israel is a democracy amid
Speaker 1: dictators Iran, Hamas and Hezbealah can't comprehend that there are
Speaker 1: Western values, inclusivity for all religions, ethnicities, sexualities, and genders
Speaker 1: in a country in the very heart of the Middle East.
Speaker 1: It's everything that Islamic extremism despises about the West in essence,
Speaker 1: Jews in the Middle East representing democratic values, and Iran
Speaker 1: and their proxies like Hamas can't compute that they've lived
Speaker 1: on the land of Israel for more than three thousand years.
Speaker 1: All right, a lot to come on the show tonight,
Speaker 1: As I said, the exclusive interview with the Jewish customer
Speaker 1: denied service at office works.
Speaker 4: That's coming up.
Speaker 1: But first now, let's bring in tonight's panel, Perth Mayre
Speaker 1: Basil Zemplus and National Senator Matt Canavan.
Speaker 4: Welcome to you both. Great to see you again.
Speaker 1: Look, let's start with this scandal where China is blaming
Speaker 1: Australian beef for two of its swimmers testing positive to
Speaker 1: a steroid two years ago. Chinese authorities say that they
Speaker 1: suspect the swimmers eight hamburgers, contaminated with an anabolic steroid.
Speaker 1: Despite Australian farmers and authorities confirming that the substance hasn't
Speaker 1: been used in any of Australia's beef production or medicine basil.
Speaker 4: This seems as absurd as when the.
Speaker 1: Chinese authorities tried to say that COVID nineteen came through
Speaker 1: in imported frozen meat.
Speaker 7: Absurd and absolutely outrageous, And the question obviously has to
Speaker 7: be asked in response, is it possible that no Australian
Speaker 7: athletes have eaten in any similar sorts of products during
Speaker 7: that same period, yet mysteriously have not tested positive. We
Speaker 7: know that it is highly unlikely to be true. In fact,
Speaker 7: we know it's not true. It's a ridiculous claim. And
Speaker 7: why would those two test positive but no one else
Speaker 7: who's eating Australian beef. Think of all the athletes in
Speaker 7: all of the sports competing all around the world at
Speaker 7: the same time with a similar diet who haven't tested positive.
Speaker 7: It is ridiculous, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Matt, there seems to be an issue here, China once
Speaker 1: again not taking responsibility and trying to blame Australia. I
Speaker 1: thought the relationship was meant to be back on track
Speaker 1: under Albin.
Speaker 8: Ezi well, like Basil has said, this is absurdly ridiculous,
Speaker 8: and I think everybody right in the.
Speaker 2: World will see it as such.
Speaker 8: But there's a bigger concern here that you've hinted at,
Speaker 8: that China seems to be able to influence and gag
Speaker 8: international bodies of quite importance. We saw that during COVID nineteen,
Speaker 8: where where it was able to almost co opt the
Speaker 8: World Health Organization into it's hiding care, it's hiding the
Speaker 8: evidence campaign to throw people off the scent of the
Speaker 8: Wuhan lab as being now the prime suspect of the
Speaker 8: origins of coronavirus. And likewise, here the Chinese authorities have
Speaker 8: somehow being able to convince international sporting bodies to keep
Speaker 8: these doping breaches under wraps for a couple of years,
Speaker 8: and now they go off with these absurd excuses trying
Speaker 8: to distract from that. So I think the bigger issue
Speaker 8: is not this ridiculous claim that it's austrained beef. It's
Speaker 8: that why has the Worldwide Sporting Body not being transparent
Speaker 8: with these complaints or these breaches that involve Chinese athletes.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's a really big issue.
Speaker 1: And look, this comes as the world is still processing
Speaker 1: Chinese swimmer Pan Zanli's jaw dropping world record in one
Speaker 1: hundred meter freestyle over ninety one goal. He was up
Speaker 1: against Kyle Charmers, who did an amazing swim but came
Speaker 1: second got silver. Now Pan did that swim in forty
Speaker 1: six point four oh seconds. I'm no swimming expert, but
Speaker 1: I read the comments that Australian swim coach Brett Hawk
Speaker 1: made on the Nightly this evening.
Speaker 4: This is a big story on the Nightly and he
Speaker 4: says that that time is not humanly possible.
Speaker 1: Basil, what do you think I mean, You've got a
Speaker 1: top Australian coach questioning this. There's no suggestion that swimmer
Speaker 1: has any history of drugs, but there is a cloud
Speaker 1: under the Chinese swim team.
Speaker 7: Well, we know past form obviously, so we can certainly
Speaker 7: point to that. We can point to that with some confidence.
Speaker 7: There have been breaches in the past, they have been
Speaker 7: found guilty, they have been suspended. That time was a
Speaker 7: ridiculously fast time, and to beat Kyle Charmers by over
Speaker 7: a second was either a phenomenal performance or a superhuman performance.
Speaker 7: Without wishing to find anybody guilty of anything before the
Speaker 7: proper process has run. Let me say this, I'm really
Speaker 7: pleased that Kyle Chalmers swum from eighth on the turn
Speaker 7: to be second on the line, because if anything is awry,
Speaker 7: if anything is found to be out of place with
Speaker 7: subsequent testing that happens post race, Kyle Chalmers is in
Speaker 7: an excellent position to potentially be elevated from that silver medal.
Speaker 7: Not pointing the finger of blame at anyone, but at
Speaker 7: least Kyle's in second and can bump up. But it
Speaker 7: was a ridiculous time, incredibly fast. He's either the absolute
Speaker 7: greatest we've ever seen or there's something else at play.
Speaker 1: Indeed, I echo all of your sentiments about we're not
Speaker 1: saying there's anything wrong here, but if it does turn
Speaker 1: out that situation that you just explained, Basil, I mean,
Speaker 1: Kyle Chalmers would never get that moment back of standing
Speaker 1: on the podium winning gold, having the Australian Anth and
Speaker 1: played and Matt. I don't know about you, but we
Speaker 1: were all hanging in there for Chalmers. He wanted this
Speaker 1: so badly. It was the third Olympics where he had Swami,
Speaker 1: he'd overcome a lot of challenges and he was just
Speaker 1: he really wanted it.
Speaker 4: He was determined.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he really felt for him. I watched it live
Speaker 8: and it wasn't remarkable second fifty meters from the Chinese swimmer.
Speaker 8: I hadn't seen, ever, seen a one hundred meter race
Speaker 8: in an Olympics final be decided by such a margin.
Speaker 8: But look there's Basil said. We don't know, we don't
Speaker 8: know anything, and I don't think it helps throwing around accusations.
Speaker 8: Kyle did an amazing swim himself, and good onying. Congratulations.
Speaker 8: Silver medal is a fantastic achievement, so I'll leave it
Speaker 8: at that.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, it is second best in the entire world.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Australian politicians are reportedly being threatened more than
Speaker 1: ever before. The AFP says that there've been more than
Speaker 1: one thousand complaints of harassment, nuisance, offensive and threatening communications
Speaker 1: against MPs over the past next year. Bazzil, you're a
Speaker 1: politician yourself. I don't know if you've experienced anything like this,
Speaker 1: but it is troubling and we have seen a lot
Speaker 1: of aggression and violence outside the offices of some labor
Speaker 1: politicians as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it never had anything physically confronting. I've had the
Speaker 7: odd protester at council House. You'd expect that for any
Speaker 7: Lord mayor in any jurisdiction. But I must say online
Speaker 7: it does come thick and fast. I've potentially got a
Speaker 7: thicker skin than most I've had thirty years in the media.
Speaker 7: It's a very good preparation for what you might get
Speaker 7: in the political world. And I do feel well adjusted,
Speaker 7: so I sort of see it through a bit of
Speaker 7: a different lens. But I must admit if I was
Speaker 7: a first time er, if I'd had no experience or
Speaker 7: exposure to it and was reading some of the things
Speaker 7: that can get sent my way in other politicians way,
Speaker 7: it can be very confronting. And that online world, that dark,
Speaker 7: anonymous world, that wed world where no one is really
Speaker 7: held accountable, that's where this danger and evil festers until
Speaker 7: such time as we're able to eradicate the anonymity aspect,
Speaker 7: that part of it. I think it will continue to exist.
Speaker 7: When people have to own up and own their own actions,
Speaker 7: they often act very differently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: People feel free to say the most violent and vile
Speaker 1: things on social media. Matt Canavan, what about you? Have
Speaker 1: you had ever had issues with this? I presume you
Speaker 1: would have.
Speaker 2: Well of Basil's right.
Speaker 8: What Basil said is right. I mean physically, in my face,
Speaker 8: I've never had anything, never had any issues. But yes,
Speaker 8: that separation that exists online allows people to put their
Speaker 8: manners in the drawers or some people, it's only a
Speaker 8: minority of people. Look, I would not support imposing some
Speaker 8: kind of removal of anonymity online. I think sometimes it's
Speaker 8: important to get that feedback online too, and people are
Speaker 8: less likely to give honest feedback either if they're not anonymous.
Speaker 8: We've also seen situations where people have lost jobs and
Speaker 8: been persecure for just political statements they've made online. So
Speaker 8: I think if we were to remove a nonanimity across
Speaker 8: the board, that would lead to perverse outcomes. But look, look,
Speaker 8: we're very lucky in this country. We haven't had a
Speaker 8: history of political violence along that stay that way, So
Speaker 8: I don't want to jump in shadows here. We do
Speaker 8: have a very good security system in place. We have
Speaker 8: a good culture in this country, notwithstanding some people going
Speaker 8: too far online with their comments. So I, like Basil,
Speaker 8: I'm very worried about how it would discourage people getting
Speaker 8: into politics. But you do develop a thick skin very
Speaker 8: quickly and ultimately eurialize very fast. It's really only your
Speaker 8: family and friends that what they think about you that matters.
Speaker 4: Everybody else doesn't matter at all, exactly.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with that sentiment, Matt Canavan. Now The
Speaker 1: Australian's reporting that a new survey has found that nearly
Speaker 1: thirty percent of Australian companies say they have no intention
Speaker 1: of meeting net zero emissions targets by twenty fifty. Another
Speaker 1: forty two percent say they haven't even begun decarbonizing their operations. Basil, Well,
Speaker 1: has this been a bit of an unrealistic target given
Speaker 1: we've just seen and New Zealand come out this week
Speaker 1: and say they're not going to meet their twenty thirty targets,
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's the start of other companies admitting the same.
Speaker 7: Well, perhaps the targets weren't unrealistic, but the ability to
Speaker 7: actually achieve those targets, I think we're seeing more and
Speaker 7: more is increasingly unrealistic. The ambition has outweighed the practicality
Speaker 7: and obviously the expense of being able to get there,
Speaker 7: and ultimately, when there's a cost of living crisis on
Speaker 7: in Australia and in many parts of the world. We
Speaker 7: know what is most important to families is being able
Speaker 7: to get through this crisis, to pay the bills, to
Speaker 7: get the kids to school, to look after the mortgage
Speaker 7: that has to and logically becomes priority one. And so
Speaker 7: it's no surprise to me that some of these ambitious
Speaker 7: targets are now a distant second, not only in family life,
Speaker 7: but in corporate life also. We all want want what's
Speaker 7: best for our environment, but we want to get there sensibly,
Speaker 7: not unrealistically.
Speaker 4: Matt Canavan final word, Well.
Speaker 8: Look, you say that earlier that thirty percent of Austraian
Speaker 8: businesses so they can't meet the net zero targets by
Speaker 8: twenty fifty. I think that indicates that the other seventy
Speaker 8: percent of the strain businesses are telling polkies they're.
Speaker 4: Not going to be met.
Speaker 8: These targets are not going to be met. They're totally
Speaker 8: fantastical and the more we pursue them, the high costs
Speaker 8: of the higher cost of living goes for you.
Speaker 1: All right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplars, great to see you again.
Speaker 1: Now after the break, our exclusive interview will be live
Speaker 1: with the Melbourne Jewish Man who was refused service at
Speaker 1: an office works because the staff member was pro Palestinian
Speaker 1: and they're outrageous response. That story coming up right after
Speaker 1: the break Welcome Back. A Jewish customer was refused service
Speaker 1: at officeworks because the manager was pro Palestinian. He wanted
Speaker 1: to laminate an article from the Australianish News, and the
Speaker 1: manager at the Elstonwick Melbourne store refused. Have a look,
Speaker 1: what's that I'm pro Palestine.
Speaker 3: That's okay here to do a job of laminade.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we need to have the.
Speaker 1: Right to deny jobs.
Speaker 3: Is that an office works position or your personal position?
Speaker 4: It is an officer, so we have the right to
Speaker 4: deny jobs.
Speaker 3: So office works position is that you're pro Palestine and
Speaker 3: you want to.
Speaker 1: Take a why that's my position?
Speaker 4: But we have the right to deny jobs.
Speaker 3: What's the reason of denying.
Speaker 4: I'm not comfortably proceeding with it.
Speaker 9: Which part are you? Not?
Speaker 3: The entire thing?
Speaker 2: The article?
Speaker 1: It's anti Semitism, no question to refuse service to a
Speaker 1: Jewish person wanting to photocopy an article from the Jewish
Speaker 1: local paper. But what's most upsetting about this incident is
Speaker 1: not even the response from the ignorant and racist manager.
Speaker 1: Clearly she's been captured by the Prohamus movement. What's most
Speaker 1: upsetting is office works response. The woman is still employed there,
Speaker 1: the man was only offered one hundred dollar gift voucher,
Speaker 1: hardly adequate for such an extreme example of racism, and
Speaker 1: the woman hasn't offered an apology, despite inaccurate claims by Officeworks.
Speaker 4: Earlier today, in a.
Speaker 1: Statement to Sky News, office Works Managing director Sarah Hunter
Speaker 1: said they were deeply disappointed that the incident occurred and
Speaker 1: confirmed that the customer's job should have been performed by
Speaker 1: the team member and that office Works does not discriminate
Speaker 1: against our customers on the basis of political views, religious beliefs, gender,
Speaker 1: sexuality or race. Office Works said that the team member
Speaker 1: had undergone education and training and had visited the Holocaust Museum. Well,
Speaker 1: this is utterly unacceptable and until Officeworks takes this seriously
Speaker 1: and addresses it properly, that no one should shop there.
Speaker 1: It's not the only complaint about anti semitism by the way,
Speaker 1: at office Works either, and I'll bring you another one
Speaker 1: on Monday. If Officeworks isn't going to take responsibility here,
Speaker 1: then we need to see some leadership from West Farmers
Speaker 1: it's one of Australia's largest listed companies and it also
Speaker 1: owns Kmart, Target, Bunnings, Price Line, Soul Patterns and Chemist,
Speaker 1: Catch dot Com, Dot a You, Beaumont Tiles and many more.
Speaker 1: The Office Works Managing director Sarah Hunter ironically told The
Speaker 1: Nightly just in May that hiring someone for their values
Speaker 1: was more important than their skill set. She said this,
Speaker 1: and I quote it is so important to ensure that
Speaker 1: you are working with someone who is a cultural and
Speaker 1: values fit.
Speaker 4: With your organization. She said.
Speaker 1: If that means taking extra time in the recruitment process
Speaker 1: to find the recruit who aligns with the values of
Speaker 1: your business, it will pay off in the long run
Speaker 1: once you have found that the skills can be taught later.
Speaker 1: That was Sarah Hunter in May saying that the values
Speaker 1: of an employee were more important than the skill set
Speaker 1: that was in May. Office Works had been either ignoring
Speaker 1: or not adequately dealing with the complaint of anti semitism
Speaker 1: since March when the incident happened. Well, let's bring it
Speaker 1: now for an exclusive interview. The Jewish customer. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the program. Now, I want to say you want to
Speaker 1: keep your identity private for understandable security concerns, but thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining me tonight, Hi sharing. So
Speaker 1: tell us how did this all unfold?
Speaker 3: So I went to office works to get a page
Speaker 3: laminated from the Australian Jewish News and I had given
Speaker 3: the office works employee of the article and she went
Speaker 3: away to do the job. About twenty seconds later she
Speaker 3: returned and she said she can't do it as she's
Speaker 3: pro Palestine. I had my phone in my hand and
Speaker 3: started recording and asked to repeat what she just said
Speaker 3: and why she wouldn't laminate the newspaper. And the rest
Speaker 3: is just what you would have seen on the video
Speaker 3: and very.
Speaker 4: Quick thinking to film it.
Speaker 1: What was your reaction when the manager first started to
Speaker 1: refuse you service.
Speaker 3: I was very shocked, like very very very shocked. I
Speaker 3: couldn't believe what was happening. In the moment. I felt vilified, discriminated,
Speaker 3: and I also just felt embarrassed in front of others,
Speaker 3: the other staff members and the customers behind me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, understandably.
Speaker 1: So now this happened in March over four months ago,
Speaker 1: so for four months you've kept quiet about this, trying
Speaker 1: to get a proper response from office Works and also
Speaker 1: their owners West Farmers.
Speaker 4: Can you tell us what's happened?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as far as I understand, there's the process
Speaker 3: to follow. My legal team, Alex s. Flilmberg and Justin
Speaker 3: Azzarti and doctor Emon Kelly were writing to Office Works
Speaker 3: and there were some back and forth, but they were
Speaker 3: not properly engaging.
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So you're now taking legal action. They weren't properly engaging.
Speaker 1: You're now taking legal action by lodging a complaint with
Speaker 1: the Victorian Civil and Administration's Tribunal.
Speaker 10: Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct. So even though they said they're taking
Speaker 3: this issue seriously, it's clear that they haven't. The anti
Speaker 3: semitic employee is still currently employed, which would make it
Speaker 3: seem that Office Works condone to behavior. It seems as
Speaker 3: though you know, you can be blatantly anti Semitic and
Speaker 3: still keep your job. I haven't got the whole claim
Speaker 3: in front of me, but we are swing it under
Speaker 3: the Equal Opportunities Act.
Speaker 4: Suing under the Equal Opportunities Act.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's appropriate that the woman who refused
Speaker 1: your service is still working for Office Works?
Speaker 11: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Like I mentioned, I cannot understand how that would not
Speaker 3: meet the criteria for a for an immediate dismissal from
Speaker 3: her role. I even wonder if she's still acting as
Speaker 3: a department manager.
Speaker 1: And how has this affected you personally, you know, and
Speaker 1: has it shaken your faith in Australia as a safe
Speaker 1: place to live for Jews.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm extremely shaken. Even though it's been several months,
Speaker 3: I still vilified a target for anti Semitism, and it's
Speaker 3: it's just become a table conversation where you know of
Speaker 3: whether it's safe for Jews to just go about their
Speaker 3: normal lives doing normal things, even something as simple as
Speaker 3: you know, getting the newspaper laminated. And more so, especially
Speaker 3: since October seven, I think Jews have increasingly felt unsafe
Speaker 3: in the diaspora. And now I find and myself asking
Speaker 3: my family is it a matter of when we are
Speaker 3: moving to Israel? But not if? And this really really
Speaker 3: saddens me, as this is not the beautiful Australia I
Speaker 3: grew up and that we all love.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, thank you so much for your time for
Speaker 1: speaking up here on this program. It's unacceptable what happened
Speaker 1: and for a managing director who speaks about values to
Speaker 1: think it's okay to have a racist employee.
Speaker 4: It's just not good enough. So thank you very much
Speaker 4: for your time.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
Speaker 12: Lie.
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll keep following up and covering that story
Speaker 1: next week. Now let's have a look now at Australia's
Speaker 1: housing crisis. It does continue to be a problem for
Speaker 1: so many families across the country, new dwelling approvals falling
Speaker 1: to their lowest level in twelve years.
Speaker 4: For the year to.
Speaker 1: June, there were only one hundred and sixty two thousand
Speaker 1: houses and apartments that were given the green light. This
Speaker 1: is a drop of eight and a half percent. It's
Speaker 1: just not enough to keep people off the street. Thousands
Speaker 1: of Australians are sleeping rough every night because of the
Speaker 1: demand in housing and services. Well, let's bring in now
Speaker 1: a shadow Minister for Housing, Michael Sucker.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time. Michael.
Speaker 1: Look, before we get into housing, I just wonder if
Speaker 1: you want to comment on that interview that we just
Speaker 1: heard from that Jewish customer who was refused service at
Speaker 1: an office works in Melbourne, and their response that they
Speaker 1: think it's okay to keep that person employed.
Speaker 12: Well, Sherry, thank you for giving that customer a voice.
Speaker 12: I think this is a shocking example of the sort
Speaker 12: of twisted logic and twisted thinking that has consumed so much,
Speaker 12: particularly of the left in this country, that someone couldn't
Speaker 12: see in that case, that worker at Office Works couldn't
Speaker 12: see how blatantly bigoted she was being. That that wasn't
Speaker 12: something that was obvious to her. She clearly couldn't expel
Speaker 12: playing why she was unwilling to do the laminating of
Speaker 12: that particular paper, but it was just clearly a hatred
Speaker 12: of Israel and potentially of the Jewish people. I think
Speaker 12: it is depressing, though that swift action from Office Works
Speaker 12: isn't forthcoming. I mean, it's a clear cut case here.
Speaker 12: I'm not someone who rejoices in seeing people lose their
Speaker 12: jobs or rejoice in people being canceled, but you're as
Speaker 12: a business putting people on the front line to deal
Speaker 12: with customers in a respectful way, and it's the most
Speaker 12: blatant and worse form of anti Semitism. I think that
Speaker 12: you could imagine in that sort of instance, and the
Speaker 12: fact that the company couldn't see that that would be
Speaker 12: an obvious situation where that person was ill suited to
Speaker 12: dealing with the public and ill suited to dealing with
Speaker 12: quite frankly, any customer that walks through that door and
Speaker 12: asks for a lawful service, which is clearly what the
Speaker 12: customer you just spoke to did. So the truth is here,
Speaker 12: and you know, you don't want to draw too many
Speaker 12: long bows. But we have not seen any leadership from
Speaker 12: the Prime minister down on this issue since October seven.
Speaker 12: It's bizarre to me that we have a situation in
Speaker 12: this country. We're large groups of people think it's entirely
Speaker 12: acceptable to show their anti Semitism towards Israel, the country
Speaker 12: who was attacked in the most brutal way by Hamas,
Speaker 12: And I would say part of that permission structure that
Speaker 12: I think has crept into our society, I think has
Speaker 12: partly come from the fact that there's so many mixed
Speaker 12: messages from the Prime Minister in his government. No leadership
Speaker 12: on this. You could imagine a prime minister like John Howard,
Speaker 12: Robert Menzie's Bob Hawk. You could imagine that they would
Speaker 12: rise to the occasion. Here we've seen a prime minister
Speaker 12: that's not willing to offer that leadership. Instead, we said
Speaker 12: that leadership being offered by people like Peter Dutton, who
Speaker 12: you know has has obviously taken a very important trip
Speaker 12: to Israel. So I think it's shocking that this thing
Speaker 12: hasn't been dealt with until it hits the headlines, and
Speaker 12: even then it hasn't been dealt.
Speaker 1: With exactly exactly very well, said Michael, Completely agree with you.
Speaker 1: Let's return to the housing issue now that you've come
Speaker 1: on here to speak about Labour has committed to the
Speaker 1: target of building one point two million homes over five years.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is going to be yet another
Speaker 1: broken promise?
Speaker 12: Well, I can't meet the target, Sharry. I mean it's
Speaker 12: clear this year alone there'll be about seventy five thousand
Speaker 12: homes short in one year. Most reputable commentators are saying
Speaker 12: they might be lucky to get to eight hundred and
Speaker 12: eight hundred and fifty thousand, which would be the smallest
Speaker 12: number of homes over a five year period that we've
Speaker 12: seen for twenty five years. We saw approvals yesterday down again,
Speaker 12: and for your viewers, Shari, the problem with approvals being
Speaker 12: even further down is that if we're saying we're not
Speaker 12: building enough homes now and there are less homes being
Speaker 12: built under Labor now than we're under the former coalition, government.
Speaker 12: The lack of approvals we're seeing now is going to
Speaker 12: flow through the pipeline of housing over the next eighteen
Speaker 12: months to two years, which means even fewer homes will
Speaker 12: be built over that period. And the great irony of
Speaker 12: this situation now is we've got the failed former minister
Speaker 12: Claire O'Neill, who was dumped from the Home Affairs portfolio
Speaker 12: into this portfolio, now facing up to so much of
Speaker 12: the mess that she created in her failed job as
Speaker 12: Home Affairs Minister. Because in two short years of this government,
Speaker 12: we've had more than a million migrants come to this country,
Speaker 12: so we're running a world record gold medal level of
Speaker 12: migration in this country, yet we're building fewer homes and
Speaker 12: as I outlined a few weeks ago, it means we
Speaker 12: need to build a new home every two point four
Speaker 12: minutes just to house and accommodate the new migrants that
Speaker 12: labour's bringing into this country. So sadly we now see
Speaker 12: a failed former minister being put into housing and quite frankly,
Speaker 12: I believe housing is one of, if not the most
Speaker 12: important portfolio in any government and it shouldn't be treated
Speaker 12: as a dumping ground for a failed minister. Who's really
Speaker 12: ordered with being demoted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's an interesting point that you make that
Speaker 1: she was immigrated, well, she was Home Affairs Minister, so
Speaker 1: she was in charge of bringing in the higher levels
Speaker 1: of immigration that is now adding to the problem she's
Speaker 1: going to have to solve in her new role as
Speaker 1: Housing Minister. And we've also seen the reporting from Simon
Speaker 1: Benson in The Australian that the Albanezi government under their
Speaker 1: ten billion dollar housing fund has paid out thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars in executive salaries and bonuses, but as of June
Speaker 1: hadn't built it one completed house. So this is definitely
Speaker 1: going to be a problematic area and it's a crisis
Speaker 1: for families. Michael Suka really appreciate your time, Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Now still to come, Tony Burke left to
Speaker 1: clean up more of the mess by his predecessor Andrew Giles.
Speaker 1: Plus the photo that has broken the internet. Ask my
Speaker 1: panel what they think of Macron's cozy kiss with the
Speaker 1: French sports minister.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Well, lots more to get through tonight, so let's bring
Speaker 1: in our political panel, The Australian's National Affairs editor Joe
Speaker 1: Kelly and commentator Jason Morrison.
Speaker 4: Great to see you both.
Speaker 1: Now, the new Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has been
Speaker 1: left to clean up the debacle left by his predecessor
Speaker 1: Andrew Giles, with the news that two more foreign criminals
Speaker 1: have been allowed to stay in Australia. A convicted child
Speaker 1: sex offender and a man who was involved in a
Speaker 1: drug operation both escaped deportation under Direction one hundred and ten.
Speaker 4: This was the ministerial.
Speaker 1: Order which replaced the failed Direction ninety nine. Joe is
Speaker 1: Burke now under pressure to once again have a look
Speaker 1: at these directions and why they're not working to protect
Speaker 1: the community safety.
Speaker 10: Sharry. He's under immediate pressure. Tony Burke's challenge upon taking
Speaker 10: this portfolio as to be a Minister of action and
Speaker 10: a man of solutions. It's very important that he assert
Speaker 10: his authority to do that after ten months of mismanagement
Speaker 10: under Andrew Giles. So I think he should move very quickly.
Speaker 10: I think that the first thing he should do is
Speaker 10: override this decision from the AAT in relation to these
Speaker 10: two individuals. As the minister, he does have the power
Speaker 10: to do that. He should recancel the visas and then
Speaker 10: very swiftly I think he should overturn Direction one hundred
Speaker 10: and ten and replace it with a much stronger direction.
Speaker 10: If you look at Direction ninety nine and Direction one
Speaker 10: hundred and ten, there aren't major differences. Direction one hundred
Speaker 10: and ten still requires decision makers to have to take
Speaker 10: into account the connection between an individual and Australia. So
Speaker 10: that's Tony Burke's problem and I think he should fix it,
Speaker 10: should fix it fast.
Speaker 1: Do you think, Jason this is an issue that the
Speaker 1: Albanezi government is still putting, As Joja said, an individual's
Speaker 1: connection with Australia, not their citizenship, their connection above the
Speaker 1: safety of Australians.
Speaker 13: Connection of the individual above protection of the masses.
Speaker 9: All right, what are we up to one hundred and eleven?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 13: Direction one hundred and eleven look after the Australian people first.
Speaker 9: That is the number one role of anyone in government.
Speaker 13: And they will see and be able to talk themselves
Speaker 13: in their crowded rooms of advisors that they have these
Speaker 13: obligations to all these treaties and things like that. Their
Speaker 13: obligation is the people who put them there and pay
Speaker 13: for them and vote them in.
Speaker 9: And I think that is forgotten.
Speaker 13: And I read that article in the Australian and no
Speaker 13: criticism of the newspaper here, but every paragraph is full
Speaker 13: of gobblygook from the bureaucracy that essentially goes through and
Speaker 13: rationalizes that this is how they think of things in Canberra.
Speaker 13: Well outside of Canberra, in real Australia, people expect their
Speaker 13: governments to stand up for some protect citizens and that
Speaker 13: is simply not going on here.
Speaker 9: So, mister Burke, you know one hundred and eleven.
Speaker 13: Direction look after the Aussies first mate, simple as that.
Speaker 1: Well, let's go now to Peter Dutton's comments about the ABC.
Speaker 1: He made them here on the program last night. He's
Speaker 1: a reminder of what he said.
Speaker 11: I think the ABC needs to have a recheck. I
Speaker 11: think Kim Williams really needs to show some backbone and
Speaker 11: stand up to people like Laura Tingle and others who
Speaker 11: have hijacked the ABC. I mean, I think there's people
Speaker 11: who really have been quite amazed by some of the reporting,
Speaker 11: particularly the ABC, and that's been expressed to us by
Speaker 11: different people on this visit.
Speaker 1: Joe, do you think this is a surprise move from Dutton?
Speaker 1: You know he's picking a fight, he says the new
Speaker 1: check Kim Williams needs to show some backbone. He's accused
Speaker 1: Laura Tingle of hijacking the ABC. Very strong comments from
Speaker 1: the opposition leader when you know he's going to need
Speaker 1: positive media coverage to get elected next.
Speaker 10: Year doesn't surprise me at all, Sherry. Peter Dutton has shown,
Speaker 10: I think, a willingness to weigh into media debates, to
Speaker 10: single out members of the media for criticism when he
Speaker 10: thinks they deserve it. Not just Laura Tingle, He's identified
Speaker 10: other members of the press gallery as well. I think
Speaker 10: that is a bit of a departure from standard practice
Speaker 10: from the political class. But Peter Dutton's got a point
Speaker 10: to make here about the ABC. The ABC has a
Speaker 10: responsibility to uphold its charter to provide balanced coverage and frankly,
Speaker 10: I think there have been a number of examples where
Speaker 10: the ABC is falling short, and I think it is
Speaker 10: critical to hold the public broadcaster, which takes in such
Speaker 10: a lot of taxpayers money, to account. So it doesn't
Speaker 10: surprise me. It doesn't surprise me in the least in
Speaker 10: that regard.
Speaker 4: What do you think do you think this.
Speaker 1: Is going to end up being a bit of a
Speaker 1: war between Dunton and or do you think more people
Speaker 1: should speak out about irresponsible journalism.
Speaker 13: We see that yes, because the public's already voting where
Speaker 13: they're remote. In ABC News viewership has never been lower.
Speaker 13: ABC primetime viewership has never been lower. ABC radio ratings
Speaker 13: are tanking.
Speaker 9: There's a problem. There's a message out there, Kim Williams,
Speaker 9: listen to it. Read what the public are saying.
Speaker 13: Peter Dunton, Yeah, you know, he's understandably frustrated with the
Speaker 13: ABC's You'll never win.
Speaker 9: You can give all the money in the world, they'll
Speaker 9: never be your friend.
Speaker 13: It's just sort of the sick thing that people in
Speaker 13: liberal party think if you look after your enemies, they'll
Speaker 13: be your friends.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, you're just emboldening your enemy.
Speaker 13: And that is the best way to treat. Treat them
Speaker 13: with contempt while they treat you with contempt. It's the
Speaker 13: only way to deal with them. I don't know why
Speaker 13: this is a hard lesson to learn. I just struggled
Speaker 13: to learn it, and Kim Williams is going to struggle
Speaker 13: to learn it.
Speaker 1: It seems like the chairs I only ever criticize the
Speaker 1: ABC before and after the job, and they take no action.
Speaker 4: When they're actually there.
Speaker 9: Frustrating them.
Speaker 1: Well, let's finish on the photo that's breaken the internet.
Speaker 1: At least in France Ssident Emmanuel mccrun's intimate moment with
Speaker 1: his spots minister.
Speaker 4: It's caused quite the stir.
Speaker 1: With people noting just how close the French spots minister
Speaker 1: gets to his neck.
Speaker 4: Joe, what's his explanation here?
Speaker 10: Well, well, Sherry, sometimes photos very difficult to explain. But
Speaker 10: I think this goes to the power of an image
Speaker 10: in telling a story. And you know basically better than
Speaker 10: anyone how important an image can be sometimes when you
Speaker 10: are telling a story. Am I particularly bothered by this image?
Speaker 10: Not really, I mean I find it a little bit refreshing.
Speaker 10: I don't think he can draw any sort of wider
Speaker 10: conclusions about what's going on. I mean, both politicians have
Speaker 10: been married for nearly twenty years to their respective partners.
Speaker 10: Could I imagine a similar thing happening between Anthony Albanezi
Speaker 10: and Anika Wells, Of course not. I don't think that
Speaker 10: would happen in Australia. But I think the real story
Speaker 10: is whether the Olympic Games and the French hosting of
Speaker 10: them are going according to plan. Given all the numerous
Speaker 10: criticisms that are made about the Olympic village and so on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we have been covering those stories as well.
Speaker 4: They just missed.
Speaker 9: I just think they just missed.
Speaker 4: Coming out. But it is quite in a brace.
Speaker 1: She's holding his neck and holding his neck on the
Speaker 1: one side and then kissing him. I mean, the French
Speaker 1: are touchy feely, but that does seem a bit close.
Speaker 13: I think I think it was an accident, and I
Speaker 13: think it's the perfect case of two people who lined
Speaker 13: up for an embrace that was meant to be a
Speaker 13: peck and they missed.
Speaker 9: I just I don't know.
Speaker 13: I kind of want to give them both the benefit
Speaker 13: of the doubt, because it's not sort of the place
Speaker 13: you show the world the little secret that no one's
Speaker 13: meant to be knowing.
Speaker 9: Unless we're all missing the secret here.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 1: We'll learn one day, right, Joe Kelly, Jason Morrison, thank
Speaker 1: you both very much. Now still to come, we'll hear
Speaker 1: from the US as Trump tries to defend himself from
Speaker 1: yet another pie line. But perhaps this time he made
Speaker 1: the wrong remark statuned.
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
Speaker 1: Well, let's go over to the US now, where the
Speaker 1: former president Donald Trump was asked in front of a
Speaker 1: national Association of Black journalists whether.
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris was a diversity higher. Here's what he said.
Speaker 11: She was always of Indian heritage, and she was only
Speaker 11: promoting Indian heritage.
Speaker 3: I didn't know she was black.
Speaker 13: Until a number of years ago when she happened to
Speaker 13: turn black, and now she wants to be known as black.
Speaker 9: So I don't know is she Indian or is she black?
Speaker 1: Well, let's bring you now the elections correspondent at the Federalist,
Speaker 1: Brianna Lyman. Thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 4: He's technically wrong. There isn't he, Donald Trump.
Speaker 14: Yeah, Kamala Harris is half Indian, half Jamaican. That being said,
Speaker 14: I think what Donald Trump was trying to allude to
Speaker 14: is the fact that Kamala Harris is trying to play
Speaker 14: up half of her heritage while ignoring the other half
Speaker 14: to appeal to obviously black voters, because that is a
Speaker 14: voting block that Joe Biden was actually losing. You saw
Speaker 14: a lot of black voters who had really low enthusiasm
Speaker 14: rates with Joe Biden, and Biden and the Democrats were
Speaker 14: headed for a twenty sixteen repeat in which black voters
Speaker 14: in particular, were so disillusioned with Hillary Clinton that they
Speaker 14: chose the couch as a third option. Right, it wasn't
Speaker 14: Hillary Trump, it was the couch and Democrats risk that,
Speaker 14: so now they have to try to win back those voters.
Speaker 14: And I think that might have been what Donald Trump
Speaker 14: was trying to convey. Whether or not he did that
Speaker 14: the best way, that's up for you know, everybody's own interpretation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, it's been said that Kamala Harris brings out the
Speaker 1: worst in Donald Trump's instincts, that he often makes sexist
Speaker 1: comments about her, and I guess we're starting to see
Speaker 1: or not necessarily sexist, but inappropriate comments about her, and
Speaker 1: we're starting to see that. Do you think that proposition
Speaker 1: is right that the way he's responding to her isn't
Speaker 1: presenting him in the best lot.
Speaker 14: Well, I would disagree a little bit. I would say
Speaker 14: that I have not heard Donald Trump say anything that
Speaker 14: was you know, sexist misogynists. Problem is is that in America,
Speaker 14: you know, there's not a ton of conservative outlets both
Speaker 14: on media, both on TV, in print, and so they're
Speaker 14: kind of crafting the narrative. They have been known to lie.
Speaker 14: They're still lying or lying. Actually, as we speak right now,
Speaker 14: I've read a dozen articles in the past twenty four
Speaker 14: hours that really distorts what actually happened yesterday at the conference.
Speaker 14: When it comes to Kamala Harris, though, I think she
Speaker 14: does one thing. She agitates Donald Trump, and not for
Speaker 14: him to say anything that's sexist, misogynist, racist, but she
Speaker 14: gets him to speak. And if you notice a difference
Speaker 14: between the debate back in June to when Joe Biden
Speaker 14: dropped out, Donald Trump was quiet. This is a man
Speaker 14: who was tempered, and we know Donald Trump, He's never
Speaker 14: this way, and it was working for him. People were
Speaker 14: actually saying, where's Donald Trump? Like, why is he giving
Speaker 14: us news to focus on? We have to actually focus
Speaker 14: on the Democrats. Kamala is different. Donald Trump is now
Speaker 14: kind of forced to go out on the defense because
Speaker 14: Kamala is more active on the campaign trail. Kamala is
Speaker 14: taking hits at Donald Trump that Biden wasn't literally able
Speaker 14: to do because he was cognitively impaired.
Speaker 1: And let's have a look at one of those hits.
Speaker 1: Here was Kamala Harris responding to what Trump had to say,
Speaker 1: and it was the.
Speaker 4: Same old show.
Speaker 11: The divisiveness and the disrespect, and let me just say,
Speaker 11: the American people deserve better.
Speaker 6: The American people deserve better.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Brianna, it's a different candidate, but the campaign
Speaker 1: strategy is the same, which is focus on Donald Trump
Speaker 1: the man, focus on his divisive character, focus on the chaos.
Speaker 1: And this is probably what we're going to see more
Speaker 1: of over the next few months from the Democrats.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and again, I think it's important that when we
Speaker 14: frame this, you know, Donald Trump is actually not a
Speaker 14: divisive figure. If you ask the American mainstream media, he's divisive.
Speaker 14: But if you talk to the average American. I mean,
Speaker 14: I have Democrat friends fortunately sometimes who will literally say yeah, like, actually,
Speaker 14: the economy was better under Donald Trump. Hey, things were
Speaker 14: safe for under Donald Trump. I have friends who voted
Speaker 14: for Biden in twenty twenty that have changed the regis.
Speaker 14: So Donald Trump isn't actually the divisive monster that Democrats
Speaker 14: and the media have portrayed him as. But that is
Speaker 14: their playbook. And the problem with that playbook is Joe
Speaker 14: Biden won in twenty twenty because his message was I'm
Speaker 14: not Donald Trump, vote for me, and that worked because
Speaker 14: people were you know, they were consuming mainstream media every
Speaker 14: day they felt like there was some really big problem.
Speaker 14: But when you have four years of a Trump record
Speaker 14: versus four years of a Biden Harris record, and she
Speaker 14: owns every bit of that record just as much as Biden,
Speaker 14: people start to think, well, what made my pockets feel better?
Speaker 14: Who allowed me to put more food on the table,
Speaker 14: Who allowed me to pay my bills with ease? And
Speaker 14: that's the problem that Kamala Harris will have to overcome
Speaker 14: with independent voters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and inflation and cost of living of course, just
Speaker 1: a big issue in the US like it is for
Speaker 1: us here in Australia. Kamala is being criticized though for
Speaker 1: refusing to do any interviews with journalists. In the past,
Speaker 1: we've seen that journalists are able to easily pick.
Speaker 4: Her answers apart.
Speaker 1: She doesn't go well in those circumstances, but she can't
Speaker 1: avoid them forever, can she.
Speaker 13: No.
Speaker 14: But Kamala Harris has this really luxury or benefit right now,
Speaker 14: is that most candidates would have had months in the
Speaker 14: public eye before the election, right Joe Biden was technically
Speaker 14: chosen as the presumptive nominee back in what February. I
Speaker 14: think our primaries ended maybe March it was clear that
Speaker 14: he was going to be the nominee. Kamala Harris has
Speaker 14: what ninety seven days left compared to most candidates who have,
Speaker 14: you know, six to seven months, who have that intense scrutiny.
Speaker 14: So she's going to skate by, you know, four months
Speaker 14: of solid interviews, of solid scrutiny of questions, and that's
Speaker 14: what she's going to use to her advantage. She has
Speaker 14: yet to sit down for a live, sit down interview.
Speaker 14: I'm curious as to when that will happen, and I
Speaker 14: think the fear from her handlers is that she has
Speaker 14: the same problem Biden does. She can read off a
Speaker 14: teleprompter just fine. She can you know, chat with people
Speaker 14: for a minute or two here and there on the streets,
Speaker 14: but when it comes to answering questions, especially about her record,
Speaker 14: they don't really have a lot of answers to explain
Speaker 14: why things have gone so poorly.
Speaker 1: It's interesting Donald Trump does expose himself to hostile interviews.
Speaker 1: We've seen that time and time again. The Black Association
Speaker 1: was one such hostile place. But Kamala will probably try
Speaker 1: to only do media interviews with friendly stations. That's what
Speaker 1: I think is most likely going to happen over the
Speaker 1: next few months to reduce the risk. Brianna Lyman, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for your time and thanks everyone at
Speaker 1: home for your company this week. I'll see you Monday
Speaker 1: at eight and up now, Paul Murray