WEBVTT - Sharri | 1 August 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:06.880 Bit Sharry Good Evening Tonight an exclusive interview with the 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.040 Jewish customer who is refused service by a pro Palestinian 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:16.880 staff member at Officeworks. What'sir, I'm pro Palestine. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:17.720 That's okay. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.320 You're here to do a job of luminade. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.280 Yeah, we have the right to deny jobs. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.640 Utterly outrageous and here will be joining the show live. 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:31.280 I'll also bring you Officework's unacceptable response to this saga. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.639 Also tonight, concern the nation's housing crisis will worsen under 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:40.159 Clara O'Neil, and China blames Australian beef for the positive 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.840 drug test of two of its Olympic swimmers. Basil Zemplers 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.000 and Matt Canavan will join me to discuss. This comes 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.440 as the world is still processing a Chinese swimmer's jaw 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.760 dropping world record and one hundred meter free, with one 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.160 Aussie coach saying it's just not humanly possible that story 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.120 coming up. So at first, we've entered an absurd new 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:07.000 era where terrorism is, if not condoned, then accepted and 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:12.679 even understood by Western political leaders and authorities. Terrorists who 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.880 have killed thousands of innocent people are being offered plea 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.959 deals and if they're killed, the left is worried about what. 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.760 It will mean for stability. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.039 One of the master minds of the September eleventh terror attacks, 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.399 Kaylid Sheik Muhammad, has been spared the death penalty and 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:36.240 instead given a plea deal by American prosecutors. Two other 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.679 Al Qaeda terrorists involved in the attack have also been 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.320 given plea deals. Now, these are the last people who 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.920 should ever be given deals for their role in the 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.880 murder of two thousand, nine hundred and seventy six people 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:56.120 in the Twin Towers, because what they did is unforgivable. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:02.120 The families of those who died are reportedly devastated. They've 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:06.640 been waiting for twenty four years to see justice. The 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:11.440 New York Post calls it an atrocity of justice. When 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:16.360 Hamas chief Ismayo Honeyere was assassinated, you've probably heard concern 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.639 in the media about the escalation in violence, rather than 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:27.919 an acknowledgment or any praise for eliminating a bloodthirsty terrorist. Well, 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.480 recall when President Barack Obama made this famous announcement in 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:33.880 two thy and eleven. 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.120 Tonight, I can report to the American people and to 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.560 the world that the United States has conducted an operation 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.040 that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.160 and a terrorist who's responsible for the murder of thousands 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.359 of innocent men, women, and children. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:58.200 Osama Bin Laden was killed when elite US soldiers attracked 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.120 him down in a Pakistani compound in a high risk, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:08.280 top secret operation. The news was welcomed, movies were made. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:13.040 The courage and stealth of the brave squad was rightly praised. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.800 It was a great political achievement for Obama as well. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.519 No one criticized the assassination out of concern or fear 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.600 that al Qaida would retaliate. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:24.680 Of course not. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.440 We weren't so weak in those days, and terrorists weren't 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.800 so emboldened. So what's happened to the world in the 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:38.440 past thirteen years. The operation to assassinate Honeyea was brazen, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.840 presumably drawing on high level intelligence. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.360 Operatives tracked him down. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.120 And killed him in his own home in Tehran in 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.800 an early morning strike. We presume it was Mossad, although 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:58.320 Israel hasn't confirmed it. It was without question an impressive hit. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.400 He thought he was protect it safe from the violence 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.920 of Gaza in the powerful city of Tehran. The lesson, 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.720 of course, is that there's no place where these terrorists 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:15.640 can hide. But it's bizarre that the reaction to the 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.200 very welcome news that Honeye was killed has been muted, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:24.239 to say the least, both by authorities and the media. Instead, 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.719 there are concerns for what it will mean for stability 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.440 in the region and what will happen to the prospects 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:32.360 of a ceasefire. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.080 The message to the other negotiators is we were on 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.040 the brink of a ceasefire, and they were very close. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:45.240 The Americans thought they were within days. You someone has 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:50.039 now shot dead our key negotiator, and they will assume. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.560 They will say it's the Israelis. We cannot now make 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:54.520 a peace deal with you. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.680 And this could definitely have a negative effect on those 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.279 ongoing negotiations. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:05.920 Certainly does maybe even irreparable damage to the ceasefire talks, 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:11.800 since Hania was essentially the chief Palestinian negotiator. 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.640 A ceasefire, by the way, that can't happen anyway until 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:21.479 the hostages are returned and Hermas has surrendered or has 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.000 been destroyed and is no. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:23.920 Longer in power. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.839 Well, it was a similar sentiment from the United Nations 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.080 after the Security Council held emergency talks following the deaths 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.680 of the Hamas and Hesbella leaders. The YUN concerned the 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.520 air strikes have made matters worse. 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.040 Dangerous escalation at a moment in which all efforts should 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:50.080 instead be leading to a ceasefire in Gaza. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:53.440 Oh, Honey Yeh didn't remotely care about Palestinians. He was 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.960 living in obscene wealth while causing misery. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:57.520 For his own people. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:02.520 Not only did he order barberic massacres against Israelis, but 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.839 he was responsible for the military strategy where her Musk 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:11.600 fighters operate from densely populated civilian areas, despite knowing this 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:16.440 will cause innocent Palestinians to die. All the while, Honey 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.320 Air was safely asconced in Qatar, living a comfortable life, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.840 plenty of food, and worth a call four billion dollars. 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.200 The phrase that Benjamin NETTNYA, who uttered early on the 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:34.640 need for moral clarity, encapsulates what we're seeing here. There's 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.919 a bizarre confusion about what's right and wrong. Some on 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:42.599 the left seem to think terrorism might be justified. The 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:47.440 concern over the death of a terror chief is bizarre. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.200 You've heard the argument that the mission to destroy Hermas 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:56.159 is pointless because an ideology can't be defeat it. Now, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.800 if you don't realize how warped this is, perhaps because 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.400 you're so conditioned to hearing it from authority figures. Well, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.600 imagine if that was applied during World War II. I 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.479 don't kill Hitler and the Nazis because you can never 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.320 kill off the ideology of fascism. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.400 It's truly absurd. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:20.000 Yes, there's risk of escalation and retaliation, but of course 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:24.840 that doesn't mean you allow terrorism to foster. That doesn't 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.680 mean you pack up and go home and allow terrorists 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:33.280 to repeat atrocities over and over again without consequence. That 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.720 doesn't mean your own citizens should have to accept living 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:41.160 in a state of fear and violence. And it's actually 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.440 weakness in our global political leadership that has sent the 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.280 message to the Ayatolas of Iran that they can get 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:56.080 away with brazen strikes. They doubt America's global commitment to Israel. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:01.760 They doubt it's global leadership. The realization needs to sink 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.560 in that yes, these terrorists are anti Semitic, but it's 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:10.800 actually anti Americanism that's driving them. They see Israel as 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.520 an arm of America because Israel is a democracy amid 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:21.000 dictators Iran, Hamas and Hezbealah can't comprehend that there are 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:28.320 Western values, inclusivity for all religions, ethnicities, sexualities, and genders 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.240 in a country in the very heart of the Middle East. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:39.520 It's everything that Islamic extremism despises about the West in essence, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:45.280 Jews in the Middle East representing democratic values, and Iran 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.760 and their proxies like Hamas can't compute that they've lived 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:53.880 on the land of Israel for more than three thousand years. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.400 All right, a lot to come on the show tonight, 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.680 As I said, the exclusive interview with the Jewish customer 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.520 denied service at office works. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:05.360 That's coming up. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.120 But first now, let's bring in tonight's panel, Perth Mayre 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.080 Basil Zemplus and National Senator Matt Canavan. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.960 Welcome to you both. Great to see you again. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.000 Look, let's start with this scandal where China is blaming 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.440 Australian beef for two of its swimmers testing positive to 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.240 a steroid two years ago. Chinese authorities say that they 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.880 suspect the swimmers eight hamburgers, contaminated with an anabolic steroid. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:36.360 Despite Australian farmers and authorities confirming that the substance hasn't 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:41.120 been used in any of Australia's beef production or medicine basil. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.640 This seems as absurd as when the. 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.360 Chinese authorities tried to say that COVID nineteen came through 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:48.960 in imported frozen meat. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.760 Absurd and absolutely outrageous, And the question obviously has to 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.400 be asked in response, is it possible that no Australian 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.400 athletes have eaten in any similar sorts of products during 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:07.280 that same period, yet mysteriously have not tested positive. We 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.720 know that it is highly unlikely to be true. In fact, 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.679 we know it's not true. It's a ridiculous claim. And 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.240 why would those two test positive but no one else 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.160 who's eating Australian beef. Think of all the athletes in 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.199 all of the sports competing all around the world at 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.480 the same time with a similar diet who haven't tested positive. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.319 It is ridiculous, ridiculous. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.280 Matt, there seems to be an issue here, China once 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.960 again not taking responsibility and trying to blame Australia. I 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.680 thought the relationship was meant to be back on track 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:39.760 under Albin. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:45.359 Ezi well, like Basil has said, this is absurdly ridiculous, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:46.839 and I think everybody right in the. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.000 World will see it as such. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.000 But there's a bigger concern here that you've hinted at, 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:57.400 that China seems to be able to influence and gag 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:03.360 international bodies of quite importance. We saw that during COVID nineteen, 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.760 where where it was able to almost co opt the 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:13.400 World Health Organization into it's hiding care, it's hiding the 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.600 evidence campaign to throw people off the scent of the 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.400 Wuhan lab as being now the prime suspect of the 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:23.199 origins of coronavirus. And likewise, here the Chinese authorities have 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.360 somehow being able to convince international sporting bodies to keep 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:32.760 these doping breaches under wraps for a couple of years, 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.520 and now they go off with these absurd excuses trying 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.079 to distract from that. So I think the bigger issue 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.160 is not this ridiculous claim that it's austrained beef. It's 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.160 that why has the Worldwide Sporting Body not being transparent 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.960 with these complaints or these breaches that involve Chinese athletes. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.080 Absolutely, it's a really big issue. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.840 And look, this comes as the world is still processing 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.640 Chinese swimmer Pan Zanli's jaw dropping world record in one 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.160 hundred meter freestyle over ninety one goal. He was up 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.480 against Kyle Charmers, who did an amazing swim but came 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:09.000 second got silver. Now Pan did that swim in forty 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.800 six point four oh seconds. I'm no swimming expert, but 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.120 I read the comments that Australian swim coach Brett Hawk 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.280 made on the Nightly this evening. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.440 This is a big story on the Nightly and he 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.400 says that that time is not humanly possible. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.560 Basil, what do you think I mean, You've got a 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.840 top Australian coach questioning this. There's no suggestion that swimmer 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.360 has any history of drugs, but there is a cloud 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.160 under the Chinese swim team. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.720 Well, we know past form obviously, so we can certainly 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.080 point to that. We can point to that with some confidence. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.360 There have been breaches in the past, they have been 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.720 found guilty, they have been suspended. That time was a 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:54.320 ridiculously fast time, and to beat Kyle Charmers by over 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:59.960 a second was either a phenomenal performance or a superhuman performance. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.760 Without wishing to find anybody guilty of anything before the 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.480 proper process has run. Let me say this, I'm really 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.319 pleased that Kyle Chalmers swum from eighth on the turn 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.960 to be second on the line, because if anything is awry, 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.880 if anything is found to be out of place with 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.520 subsequent testing that happens post race, Kyle Chalmers is in 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.600 an excellent position to potentially be elevated from that silver medal. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.000 Not pointing the finger of blame at anyone, but at 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.080 least Kyle's in second and can bump up. But it 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:36.040 was a ridiculous time, incredibly fast. He's either the absolute 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.199 greatest we've ever seen or there's something else at play. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.000 Indeed, I echo all of your sentiments about we're not 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.120 saying there's anything wrong here, but if it does turn 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.240 out that situation that you just explained, Basil, I mean, 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.440 Kyle Chalmers would never get that moment back of standing 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.120 on the podium winning gold, having the Australian Anth and 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.319 played and Matt. I don't know about you, but we 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.160 were all hanging in there for Chalmers. He wanted this 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.920 so badly. It was the third Olympics where he had Swami, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.640 he'd overcome a lot of challenges and he was just 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:08.800 he really wanted it. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:09.959 He was determined. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.800 Yeah, he really felt for him. I watched it live 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.480 and it wasn't remarkable second fifty meters from the Chinese swimmer. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.200 I hadn't seen, ever, seen a one hundred meter race 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.680 in an Olympics final be decided by such a margin. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.800 But look there's Basil said. We don't know, we don't 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:34.080 know anything, and I don't think it helps throwing around accusations. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.960 Kyle did an amazing swim himself, and good onying. Congratulations. 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.680 Silver medal is a fantastic achievement, so I'll leave it 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:40.920 at that. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.480 No, absolutely, it is second best in the entire world. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:49.680 It's incredible. Australian politicians are reportedly being threatened more than 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.960 ever before. The AFP says that there've been more than 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:58.000 one thousand complaints of harassment, nuisance, offensive and threatening communications 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.800 against MPs over the past next year. Bazzil, you're a 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.760 politician yourself. I don't know if you've experienced anything like this, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.480 but it is troubling and we have seen a lot 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.880 of aggression and violence outside the offices of some labor 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:11.920 politicians as well. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.440 Yeah, it never had anything physically confronting. I've had the 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.560 odd protester at council House. You'd expect that for any 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.480 Lord mayor in any jurisdiction. But I must say online 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.120 it does come thick and fast. I've potentially got a 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.400 thicker skin than most I've had thirty years in the media. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.080 It's a very good preparation for what you might get 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.960 in the political world. And I do feel well adjusted, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.560 so I sort of see it through a bit of 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.680 a different lens. But I must admit if I was 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.960 a first time er, if I'd had no experience or 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.000 exposure to it and was reading some of the things 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.520 that can get sent my way in other politicians way, 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.960 it can be very confronting. And that online world, that dark, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.280 anonymous world, that wed world where no one is really 0:15:54.320 --> 0:16:00.680 held accountable, that's where this danger and evil festers until 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:06.040 such time as we're able to eradicate the anonymity aspect, 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.800 that part of it. I think it will continue to exist. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.760 When people have to own up and own their own actions, 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.760 they often act very differently. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:15.640 Yeah, I think that's right. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.760 People feel free to say the most violent and vile 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.560 things on social media. Matt Canavan, what about you? Have 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.360 you had ever had issues with this? I presume you 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:26.840 would have. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:30.520 Well of Basil's right. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.720 What Basil said is right. I mean physically, in my face, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.520 I've never had anything, never had any issues. But yes, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.680 that separation that exists online allows people to put their 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.560 manners in the drawers or some people, it's only a 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:47.360 minority of people. Look, I would not support imposing some 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:51.040 kind of removal of anonymity online. I think sometimes it's 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.280 important to get that feedback online too, and people are 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.320 less likely to give honest feedback either if they're not anonymous. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.120 We've also seen situations where people have lost jobs and 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.520 been persecure for just political statements they've made online. So 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.520 I think if we were to remove a nonanimity across 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.760 the board, that would lead to perverse outcomes. But look, look, 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.320 we're very lucky in this country. We haven't had a 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.760 history of political violence along that stay that way, So 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.639 I don't want to jump in shadows here. We do 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.440 have a very good security system in place. We have 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.240 a good culture in this country, notwithstanding some people going 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.000 too far online with their comments. So I, like Basil, 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.080 I'm very worried about how it would discourage people getting 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.040 into politics. But you do develop a thick skin very 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.879 quickly and ultimately eurialize very fast. It's really only your 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.960 family and friends that what they think about you that matters. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.960 Everybody else doesn't matter at all, exactly. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.000 I completely agree with that sentiment, Matt Canavan. Now The 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.920 Australian's reporting that a new survey has found that nearly 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.040 thirty percent of Australian companies say they have no intention 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:54.760 of meeting net zero emissions targets by twenty fifty. Another 0:17:54.880 --> 0:18:00.200 forty two percent say they haven't even begun decarbonizing their operations. Basil, Well, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.480 has this been a bit of an unrealistic target given 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.080 we've just seen and New Zealand come out this week 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.720 and say they're not going to meet their twenty thirty targets, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.280 Perhaps it's the start of other companies admitting the same. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.919 Well, perhaps the targets weren't unrealistic, but the ability to 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.639 actually achieve those targets, I think we're seeing more and 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:25.960 more is increasingly unrealistic. The ambition has outweighed the practicality 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:30.040 and obviously the expense of being able to get there, 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.919 and ultimately, when there's a cost of living crisis on 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.920 in Australia and in many parts of the world. We 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.399 know what is most important to families is being able 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.240 to get through this crisis, to pay the bills, to 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.560 get the kids to school, to look after the mortgage 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.640 that has to and logically becomes priority one. And so 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.480 it's no surprise to me that some of these ambitious 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.480 targets are now a distant second, not only in family life, 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.639 but in corporate life also. We all want want what's 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.600 best for our environment, but we want to get there sensibly, 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:04.920 not unrealistically. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.119 Matt Canavan final word, Well. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.600 Look, you say that earlier that thirty percent of Austraian 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.240 businesses so they can't meet the net zero targets by 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.600 twenty fifty. I think that indicates that the other seventy 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.760 percent of the strain businesses are telling polkies they're. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:21.200 Not going to be met. 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.000 These targets are not going to be met. They're totally 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.639 fantastical and the more we pursue them, the high costs 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.359 of the higher cost of living goes for you. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.520 All right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplars, great to see you again. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.960 Now after the break, our exclusive interview will be live 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.919 with the Melbourne Jewish Man who was refused service at 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.400 an office works because the staff member was pro Palestinian 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.840 and they're outrageous response. That story coming up right after 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:53.840 the break Welcome Back. A Jewish customer was refused service 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.920 at officeworks because the manager was pro Palestinian. He wanted 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.159 to laminate an article from the Australianish News, and the 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.840 manager at the Elstonwick Melbourne store refused. Have a look, 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.440 what's that I'm pro Palestine. 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.920 That's okay here to do a job of laminade. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:12.200 Yeah, we need to have the. 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:13.920 Right to deny jobs. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.520 Is that an office works position or your personal position? 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.679 It is an officer, so we have the right to 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:19.320 deny jobs. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.639 So office works position is that you're pro Palestine and 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:21.960 you want to. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.160 Take a why that's my position? 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:26.960 But we have the right to deny jobs. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:28.920 What's the reason of denying. 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:30.760 I'm not comfortably proceeding with it. 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:32.080 Which part are you? Not? 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:33.520 The entire thing? 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:34.280 The article? 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.040 It's anti Semitism, no question to refuse service to a 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:43.200 Jewish person wanting to photocopy an article from the Jewish 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.080 local paper. But what's most upsetting about this incident is 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.600 not even the response from the ignorant and racist manager. 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:55.359 Clearly she's been captured by the Prohamus movement. What's most 0:20:55.480 --> 0:21:00.920 upsetting is office works response. The woman is still employed there, 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.400 the man was only offered one hundred dollar gift voucher, 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:09.480 hardly adequate for such an extreme example of racism, and 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:14.800 the woman hasn't offered an apology, despite inaccurate claims by Officeworks. 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.600 Earlier today, in a. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.720 Statement to Sky News, office Works Managing director Sarah Hunter 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.199 said they were deeply disappointed that the incident occurred and 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.480 confirmed that the customer's job should have been performed by 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.240 the team member and that office Works does not discriminate 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:34.639 against our customers on the basis of political views, religious beliefs, gender, 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:39.280 sexuality or race. Office Works said that the team member 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:45.160 had undergone education and training and had visited the Holocaust Museum. Well, 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:49.879 this is utterly unacceptable and until Officeworks takes this seriously 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.120 and addresses it properly, that no one should shop there. 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.200 It's not the only complaint about anti semitism by the way, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.280 at office Works either, and I'll bring you another one 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.480 on Monday. If Officeworks isn't going to take responsibility here, 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.600 then we need to see some leadership from West Farmers 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.200 it's one of Australia's largest listed companies and it also 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:15.359 owns Kmart, Target, Bunnings, Price Line, Soul Patterns and Chemist, 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.320 Catch dot Com, Dot a You, Beaumont Tiles and many more. 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:24.600 The Office Works Managing director Sarah Hunter ironically told The 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:28.880 Nightly just in May that hiring someone for their values 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:33.080 was more important than their skill set. She said this, 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.320 and I quote it is so important to ensure that 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.080 you are working with someone who is a cultural and 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:40.360 values fit. 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.720 With your organization. She said. 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.920 If that means taking extra time in the recruitment process 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.720 to find the recruit who aligns with the values of 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.240 your business, it will pay off in the long run 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.600 once you have found that the skills can be taught later. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.040 That was Sarah Hunter in May saying that the values 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:03.000 of an employee were more important than the skill set 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.400 that was in May. Office Works had been either ignoring 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:10.960 or not adequately dealing with the complaint of anti semitism 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.960 since March when the incident happened. Well, let's bring it 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.720 now for an exclusive interview. The Jewish customer. Welcome to 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.320 the program. Now, I want to say you want to 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:25.000 keep your identity private for understandable security concerns, but thank 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:29.920 you so much for joining me tonight, Hi sharing. So 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:31.760 tell us how did this all unfold? 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:37.800 So I went to office works to get a page 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:42.040 laminated from the Australian Jewish News and I had given 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.400 the office works employee of the article and she went 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.679 away to do the job. About twenty seconds later she 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:52.920 returned and she said she can't do it as she's 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:57.439 pro Palestine. I had my phone in my hand and 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.359 started recording and asked to repeat what she just said 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:05.840 and why she wouldn't laminate the newspaper. And the rest 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.760