WEBVTT - Donald Trump’s reversal on the Epstein files

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<v Speaker 1>On this vote, the years are four hundred and twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the nays are one two thirds being in the affirmative,

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<v Speaker 1>the rules are suspended, the bill is passed, and without objection,

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<v Speaker 1>the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>This week we saw something almost unprecedented in American politics,

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<v Speaker 2>a unified Congress as all but one person invited to

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<v Speaker 2>have the Epstein files released.

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<v Speaker 3>We do not see votes like that here in the

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<v Speaker 3>US House of Representatives, where it's just completely lopsided.

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<v Speaker 2>Reported by Erickson was on Capitol Hill wants to get unfollowed.

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<v Speaker 3>What the House and Senate here in DC we're voting

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<v Speaker 3>on this week was this very targeted bill to force

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<v Speaker 3>the Justice Department to release a wide array of files

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<v Speaker 3>both from Jeffrey Epstein, but also more importantly, all the

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<v Speaker 3>investigative files from the Justice Department in the many many

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<v Speaker 3>years that federal officials have been tracking Jeffrey Epstein, going

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<v Speaker 3>all the way back like more than a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>These documents have plague Donald Trump since he campaigned to

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<v Speaker 2>release them while running for his second term as president,

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<v Speaker 2>then backtracked after his victory, sparking a mess revolt from

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<v Speaker 2>his otherwise loyal Megabase. In yet another blistering post on

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<v Speaker 2>social media, Trump said those who keep asking questions are

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<v Speaker 2>weaklings and said I don't want their support anymore. After

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<v Speaker 2>months of trying to block their release, and after increasing

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<v Speaker 2>pressure from within his own party, Trump changed course in

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<v Speaker 2>the most spectacular reversal of his presidency.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there has been a lot of commentary from

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<v Speaker 3>wawmakers up here that that is why the president switched

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<v Speaker 3>his position this past weekend on the release of these bills,

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<v Speaker 3>because he could kind of see where the ball was

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<v Speaker 3>going in relation to the vote here within his own party.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Daniel James, and you're listening to seven. I am

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<v Speaker 2>today US political correspondent for rout Is bio Ericson on

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican Revolt. I just had damaging the files to

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<v Speaker 2>be for President Trump. It's Friday, November twenty one, So

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<v Speaker 2>what exactly is expected to be in leys files?

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<v Speaker 3>We don't exactly know what is going to be in

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<v Speaker 3>the files. I've been running around Capitol Hill for the

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<v Speaker 3>last few weeks and months because it's really a four

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<v Speaker 3>month long pursuit of this bill, even though the voting

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<v Speaker 3>went so fast this week, and I keep asking lawmakers

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<v Speaker 3>what do you want to see in these files? And

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<v Speaker 3>how many files are there? And no one really has

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<v Speaker 3>any clarity on what files they're going after. But when

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<v Speaker 3>I was speaking with one of the Republicans, Thomas Massey,

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<v Speaker 3>who have led this charge, He's from Kentucky and he's

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<v Speaker 3>really drawn the ire of President Trump for years now.

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<v Speaker 3>He's leading this effort to kind of force the Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>to vote on this.

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<v Speaker 1>We thought the president, the Attorney General, the FBI director,

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<v Speaker 1>the Speaker of the House, and the Vice president to

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<v Speaker 1>get this win.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked him, what are you looking for? And he said,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not really about the number of documents or the

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<v Speaker 3>number of Epstein files, but what they really want are

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<v Speaker 3>the names of people and potentially alleged co conspirators of

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Epstein. And some lawmakers have promised that if and

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<v Speaker 3>when the public gets these names of individuals that potentially

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<v Speaker 3>committed crimes alongside Epstein, that they will read those names

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<v Speaker 3>aloud on the US House floor.

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<v Speaker 4>The ultimate thing that we could do is read the

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<v Speaker 4>names on the floor of the House, and that could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But what needs to happen is the FBI.

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<v Speaker 3>Needs And why that is significant is because lawmakers, in

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<v Speaker 3>their role as a representative, have more freedoms to not

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<v Speaker 3>be sued for slander. Here in the United States, it's

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<v Speaker 3>called the speech and Debate clause.

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<v Speaker 2>So, as you mentioned by, we saw something that is

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<v Speaker 2>practically on theheard of on Capitol Hill these days, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was bought partisan sheep. So tell me more about

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans who win against Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you've heard that the US is and that bipartisan

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<v Speaker 3>up here.

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<v Speaker 2>He's come across my desk.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, it's just once or twice the Republicans who

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<v Speaker 3>are going against him, while at first it was only

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<v Speaker 3>a handful. For instance, Thomas Massey, who's kind of more

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<v Speaker 3>of a libertarian streak, and he says his principles tell

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<v Speaker 3>him not to support things in the Trump administration, even

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<v Speaker 3>though he is from a very Republican state Kentucky. But

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<v Speaker 3>he's really kind of been able to bring along with

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<v Speaker 3>him some more friendly people to President Trump, at least

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<v Speaker 3>in the past. One is Marjorie Taylor Green.

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<v Speaker 5>But I fought for him, for the policies and for

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<v Speaker 5>America First, and he called me a traitor for standing

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<v Speaker 5>with these women and refusing to take my name off

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<v Speaker 5>the discharge petition.

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<v Speaker 3>And two other Republican women in the US House also

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<v Speaker 3>signed on to this effort to try to force House

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<v Speaker 3>Republican leadership to bring this bill to the floor.

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<v Speaker 4>Do I want the Epstein files released?

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<v Speaker 3>Absa freculutely.

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<v Speaker 6>That is why I was on the discharge petition, that

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<v Speaker 6>is why I did not remove my name, And I'm

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<v Speaker 6>going to vote in phase to speak on the floor.

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<v Speaker 6>And I want to thank my colleagues Congressman Massey, Marjorie

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<v Speaker 6>Taylor Green, and Lauren Bobert, the four of us making

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<v Speaker 6>history today over the discharge petition and delivering justice for

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<v Speaker 6>those who have desperately fought for it for in some

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<v Speaker 6>cases almost thirty years, and.

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<v Speaker 2>For months now seems Lockey's Donald Trump has been signed

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<v Speaker 2>the focus on those files was a Democrat hoax and

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<v Speaker 2>a distraction. He's now trying to take back control of

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<v Speaker 2>the narrative, and so he wants them released that he

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<v Speaker 2>has nothing to hide. But how damaging could the actually

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<v Speaker 2>belief it Trump by.

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<v Speaker 3>It's still a little mixed messaging coming from the White House,

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<v Speaker 3>to be honest, because as you said, he is calling

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<v Speaker 3>this a Democratic hoax and saying they're trying to go

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<v Speaker 3>after him and Democrats are trying to use this for

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<v Speaker 3>a political play here. But on the other hand, he's

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<v Speaker 3>saying that the files should be released, and the rebuttal

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<v Speaker 3>from lawmakers, not just the ones who've been speaking out

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<v Speaker 3>against him, but it was like, Okay, if you think

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<v Speaker 3>the files should be released, you have the unilateral power

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<v Speaker 3>to release these files. Right now. People keep reminding him

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<v Speaker 3>that you know him and his Justice Department that they

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<v Speaker 3>could release them if they wanted. It is unclear, though,

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<v Speaker 3>what damage or embarrassment lies in these files for Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>The American people are kind of aware that Trump is

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<v Speaker 3>associated with Jeffrey Epstein. No one has said, though, that

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<v Speaker 3>he has committed any type of crimes or alleged any

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<v Speaker 3>type of crimes here, And I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be in these files because it's very hard

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<v Speaker 3>to know what the files are you run about. But

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<v Speaker 3>let me tell you something about just American opinion over here,

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<v Speaker 3>is that at Reuter's here in the US, we released

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<v Speaker 3>a poll this week about Americans feelings and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>questioning some of these moves with the Epstein files, and

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<v Speaker 3>seventy percent of Americans in this poll, and that includes

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<v Speaker 3>sixty percent of Republican voters believe that the government, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the Trump administration, is hiding Epstein's alleged client lists

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<v Speaker 3>for some type of political element here.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up now, Trump's Justice Department could still stop the

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein files from being released.

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<v Speaker 7>We do have some major breaking news as we come

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<v Speaker 7>on the air tonight, because President Trump has now signed

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<v Speaker 7>the Epstein Files Bill into a law, the final step

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<v Speaker 7>to force the Justice Department to turn over everything it

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<v Speaker 7>has on Epstein.

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<v Speaker 2>By Donald Trump has now signed the bill, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>now up to the Department of Justice to release the

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<v Speaker 2>special files.

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<v Speaker 4>But is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Possible that Trump could still block that from happening.

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<v Speaker 3>So the bill says the files must be released within

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<v Speaker 3>thirty days. There are some carveoutes though, already in the bill,

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<v Speaker 3>and one of those carveoutes is any files that would

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<v Speaker 3>potentially interact with or impede an ongoing investigation. And why

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<v Speaker 3>that is important is because last week President Trump launched

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<v Speaker 3>and investmentstigation. You know, this is not normal, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>like presidents in the past weren't launching investigations through their

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<v Speaker 3>own Justice Department by themselves. He's argued that Attorney General

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<v Speaker 3>PAMBONDI should investigate high profile Democrats connections to Epstein, and

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<v Speaker 3>that investigation supposedly was started, and the Attorney General was

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<v Speaker 3>asked about that actually, and she said to reporters that

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<v Speaker 3>this investigation that is now started has already found new

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<v Speaker 3>information related to it.

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<v Speaker 2>What changed since then that you launched this investigation?

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<v Speaker 6>Information that has come for information.

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<v Speaker 5>There's information that new information, additional information.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's already some groundwork that potentially the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 3>could use to withhold some files.

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<v Speaker 2>So is there a political risk given with public sentiment,

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<v Speaker 2>is that in the US at the moment, for Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump to be saying to be middling in the relays

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<v Speaker 2>of those files.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it a political risk? That's hard for me to say,

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<v Speaker 3>But I think there are political ramifications of this release

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<v Speaker 3>and this whole kind of period here of fighting over

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<v Speaker 3>these Epstein files. For instance, before the vote of Congresswoman

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<v Speaker 3>Marjorie Taylor Green, she said that this episode has ripped

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<v Speaker 3>MAGA apart. MAGA being the Make America Great Again movement.

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<v Speaker 5>Watching this actually turn into a fight has ripped MAGA apart.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that is pretty significant because loyalty is

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<v Speaker 3>the core of MAGA and if maga's actually ripped apart,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that means for the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>six mid term elections, or what that means for the

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<v Speaker 3>next presidential election in twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just to that point, Bi, I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the stroking developments in the saga is

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<v Speaker 2>saying ky Republican l turn on Trump. So do you

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<v Speaker 2>think this marks the start of a turning point where

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<v Speaker 2>we will see them more embolden to spaghette against in

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<v Speaker 2>one other issues?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to hold my breath because up here

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<v Speaker 3>on Capitol Hill, for the whole year, on a whole

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<v Speaker 3>range of issues, Republicans have been in lockstep with the president,

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<v Speaker 3>whether that's the international tariffs that even are impacting some

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<v Speaker 3>Republican states more than others, whether that is the tax plan,

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<v Speaker 3>whether that is foreign policy. Republicans at large have not

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<v Speaker 3>challenged the president and have done little oversight of his actions.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>transfer ability from here on out. However, there you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a cachet now for someone like Marjorie Taylor Green

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<v Speaker 3>to keep speaking out. You know, this isn't the only

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<v Speaker 3>issue that she's spoken out with within the last few weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Now she is going after the administration on some healthcare subsidies,

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<v Speaker 3>and she is criticizing the US's approach with the Israel

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<v Speaker 3>and GAZO. So I anaturally someone like her, maybe more

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<v Speaker 3>in Bolden. I don't know if more rank and file

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<v Speaker 3>will be.

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<v Speaker 2>And by of course, this political storm is not just

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<v Speaker 2>going to impact Donald Trump. Many of Epstein's victims were

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington watching as this fight was happening. So what

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<v Speaker 2>will this mean for them? Will I ever say justice?

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<v Speaker 4>This was me at fourteen years old. I was a child,

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<v Speaker 4>I was in ninth grade. I was hopeful for life

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<v Speaker 4>and what the future had held for me. He stole

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<v Speaker 4>a lot from me, uh bye at fourteen, So just

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<v Speaker 4>a little.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it really is in the hands of the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump administration right now where this goes. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>speaking with some of the Epstein survivors after the vote

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<v Speaker 3>up here on Capitol Hill, they were saying that this

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of one of their last pushed for accountability.

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<v Speaker 8>Here individually, our voices were whispers. Together they've become impossible

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<v Speaker 8>to ignore. We are encouraged to see elected officials from

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<v Speaker 8>both parties. Thank you come together and finally take action

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<v Speaker 8>to release the files. I'll leave it there.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, because for listeners who have been following this,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in the last few years, a lot of accountability

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<v Speaker 3>was kicked down the road and so this public accountability,

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<v Speaker 3>they say, is more important for the survivors Epstein survivors

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<v Speaker 3>who we saw up here on Capitol Hill, and they

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<v Speaker 3>think just the release of these files. They were telling me,

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<v Speaker 3>some of them were telling me, is the accountability that

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<v Speaker 3>they're looking for.

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<v Speaker 7>Alone, Yes, we are afraid, but together we are feared.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's outside of court, of course, but it's in the

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<v Speaker 3>court of public opinion, which obviously means a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Boh, it's fascinating stuff. Thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in the news, Taka is set the host COP

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one next year after a long standoff with Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>Climate Minister Chris Bowen has conceded hosting responsibilities, but will

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<v Speaker 2>lead negotiations at the next climate summit. Australia has also

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<v Speaker 2>negotiated for them to be a pre COP event hosted

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<v Speaker 2>by a Pacific island nation. A New South Wales police

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<v Speaker 2>use pepper spray on an eighty seven year old nursing

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<v Speaker 2>home resident on Wednesday night. They have confirmed the man

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<v Speaker 2>reportedly threatened to harm other residents and himself, prompting police

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<v Speaker 2>to be called. When they arrived, police reportedly told him

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<v Speaker 2>to drop a metal ornament he was holding. When he refused,

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<v Speaker 2>they use pepper spray. An investigation will now be conducted.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Daniel James. This is seven am. See tomorrow und