Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Something to Talk About the Stellar podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Sarah La Marquin, your host, and every week I
Speaker 1: sit down with some of the biggest names in the
Speaker 1: country because when Australias celebrities are ready to talk, they
Speaker 1: come to Something to Talk About. It is a hot
Speaker 1: button issue facing parents these days, how to raise and
Speaker 1: protect children in the social media age, with everyone from
Speaker 1: the federal government, to schools to the tech platforms themselves
Speaker 1: weighing in. Candice Warna, along with her husband international cricket
Speaker 1: star David has an unexpected take on raising children in
Speaker 1: the era of social media. No strangers to trolling and
Speaker 1: negative online comments themselves. Instead of opting to keep their
Speaker 1: three young daughters, Ivy ten, Indy nine, and Islah five
Speaker 1: off in Graham, they're diving in launching a wildly successful
Speaker 1: account that has almost two hundred thousand followers. The Warner
Speaker 1: sisters are doing things differently, and on today's episode or
Speaker 1: Something to Talk About, Candace joins me for a chat
Speaker 1: about her and David's decision to start and manage the
Speaker 1: account on their daughter's behalf.
Speaker 2: There's been times where we've had paparazzis outside of our
Speaker 2: house because of certain situations, or we're at the beach
Speaker 2: and they're taking photos of myself and the kids that
Speaker 2: can be incredibly unflattering to me, to the girls. So
Speaker 2: if we put an image out there, it stops.
Speaker 1: All that and offers an unusual and thought provoking perspective
Speaker 1: on how social media could well play a role in
Speaker 1: building resilience in children.
Speaker 2: Social media doesn't have to be this dark cloud, this
Speaker 2: negative world where you know, it's everyone talks about just
Speaker 2: how bad it is all the time.
Speaker 1: Cand Just Wanner, Welcome back to the Stellar podcast.
Speaker 3: It's really nice to be back.
Speaker 2: I always love chatting to Stella and yourself, so it's
Speaker 2: good to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, the last time you and I sat down was
Speaker 1: Can You Believe? Was just over two years ago. I
Speaker 1: had the release of your memoir and that was a
Speaker 1: really powerful conversation but very raw, and I know there
Speaker 1: were a lot of tears there, and they can always
Speaker 1: be tears in a podcast, So there might be tears today,
Speaker 1: but the tone is a little bit different.
Speaker 2: It's because I'm not ready for tears, and I generally
Speaker 2: when I talk about my family that tends to happen.
Speaker 3: But I feel like today there's going to be no.
Speaker 1: Tears, and if they were, they'd be happy teas. That's right,
Speaker 1: because it is Mother's day to day. Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 1: Thank you to yourself, Candison, to anyone listening, reading watching this,
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's to day in one form or another. And
Speaker 1: you are on the cover of Stella today with your
Speaker 1: husband David and your three beautiful girls. Glorious way to
Speaker 1: mark Mother's Day. Everyone that's tried to get a family
Speaker 1: shot knows it's always easy.
Speaker 2: It's never easy, you know, trying to get that perfect
Speaker 2: family photo. Actually, we don't have many, or generally it's
Speaker 2: David and the three girls because I'm the one behind
Speaker 2: the phone or behind the camera taking the photos of
Speaker 2: you know, all the cute things or all those moments,
Speaker 2: so I'm not usually in many of the family photos
Speaker 2: to be completely honest.
Speaker 1: Well there you go. Not only are you on the
Speaker 1: cover of the biggest magazine in the country this week,
Speaker 1: you got to finally got a shot where you're in frame. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: so that's a nice one. The girls are Ivy Indian
Speaker 1: Isler are now ten, nine and five. Yes, I'd love
Speaker 1: to ask you a little bit about the family dynamic. Obviously,
Speaker 1: every season changes you are very well known that you're
Speaker 1: an extremely close family, close knit family, you and Dave,
Speaker 1: and the dynamic with the girls as they're getting slightly older,
Speaker 1: How is that shifting if at all.
Speaker 2: I think we're still incredibly close. David's away a lot.
Speaker 2: You think he retired from playing cricket Australia, but you know,
Speaker 2: currently he's in Pakistan and then he's going to come
Speaker 2: home for three or four days, and then he's off
Speaker 2: to I think it might be the Cayman Islands, and
Speaker 2: then from there he's England and America. So I mean
Speaker 2: he's still away a lot. So the girls are my
Speaker 2: best friends. We do everything together. Well of course, you
Speaker 2: know they're still so very young. But I'm one of
Speaker 2: those mothers that love to be there and I'm president
Speaker 2: and I'm at school pickup and I try to do
Speaker 2: it all because I love that and I had parents
Speaker 2: like that. But the girls are so different. Ivory, who's ten,
Speaker 2: she's you know, the sensitive one, the one that's a
Speaker 2: little bit has that soft touch. She's very responsible. I
Speaker 2: can rely on her for absolutely anything and everything. Indy,
Speaker 2: the middle child, is the joker, always making us laugh.
Speaker 2: She's silly, she's quirky, she's incredibly loving. And then we
Speaker 2: have Isler, who is the spitting image of David, and
Speaker 2: she's full of energy. She from the moment she wakes
Speaker 2: up to go to bed at night, she is just
Speaker 2: on the go. She doesn't stop. She also is funny.
Speaker 2: She's a little bit of a lunatic. But you know,
Speaker 2: the dynamic is all very different, but it's fun.
Speaker 1: You've spoken about how when you were growing up you
Speaker 1: had a bit of tomboy energy to you, and then
Speaker 1: being the mother of three girls, how is that dynamic?
Speaker 1: Is there more feminine energy in the household that you
Speaker 1: would have anticipated when you were growing up yourself.
Speaker 2: I think the great thing about the girls is their
Speaker 2: real mixture. So I do see that tomboy side in them.
Speaker 2: You know, they play football, they surf, obviously, they play
Speaker 2: a lot of sports. But then I'll go home and
Speaker 2: they'll be doing each other's hair and you know, helping
Speaker 2: each other get dressed, and I say I like this
Speaker 2: or I like that, and they do their skincare routines
Speaker 2: and all those kind of things that all the other
Speaker 2: young girls out there are doing. So I definitely see
Speaker 2: the feminine side of them and the real girly side
Speaker 2: and wanting their hair curled and braided. But then I
Speaker 2: do see myself in each and every one of the girls.
Speaker 1: And I mean, of course that is because it is
Speaker 1: a reductive question for me in some ways about gender stereotyping,
Speaker 1: because even before we became more progressive and understanding about
Speaker 1: our conversations around being less binary about this, yes, that
Speaker 1: whole sort of you know, girls like makeup and pink
Speaker 1: and that.
Speaker 2: And I think back now why I would always call
Speaker 2: myself a tomboys because I loved playing the sports that
Speaker 2: my brothers played. But now there's so many more opportunities
Speaker 2: for young girls to play. I suppose what we used
Speaker 2: to call boy sports can play and real w we've
Speaker 2: just seen the State of Origin and the enormity of
Speaker 2: that for women, and you know, they can play the AFL,
Speaker 2: Now they can play there's cricket, there's so much more
Speaker 2: on offer. But growing up, because I liked those sports
Speaker 2: because my brothers played them, I thought, you know, I
Speaker 2: was a tomboy, and I was. But now you know,
Speaker 2: that's just the norm for young girls to do. So
Speaker 2: it's really accepted and they can thrive in any area
Speaker 2: of sport.
Speaker 1: It's such a good point. I think probably the word
Speaker 1: tomboy is hopefully a bit obsolete now, but as you say,
Speaker 1: there just wasn't that vocabulary for it, which shows a
Speaker 1: lot how far we've come with women in sport, and
Speaker 1: of course you yourself have helped play a role in
Speaker 1: changing that narrative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and growing up, there wasn't, like I said, there
Speaker 2: wasn't all those sports, or if they were, they weren't
Speaker 2: overly popular. I remember playing soccer and I was the
Speaker 2: only girl in out of four or five teams, so
Speaker 2: they put me in the d's And now there's young
Speaker 2: girls competitions. My girls play soccer on a Sunday and
Speaker 2: it's all girls competition, which is fabulous. And you saw
Speaker 2: the popularity of the Matildas and what they were able
Speaker 2: to achieve, and how they've inspired not just young girls
Speaker 2: but young boy to want to play the game and thrive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good do you see with their pedigree, obviously,
Speaker 1: with their two parents having such elite sporting backgrounds, any
Speaker 1: inkling that one of the three, maybe three of the
Speaker 1: three might have a sporting career in their future.
Speaker 2: Look, I think they would all love that. They're incredibly
Speaker 2: competitive they play many, many sports, but it's not something
Speaker 2: that we push, it's something that they drive themselves. Of Course,
Speaker 2: David and I get them to training, we support them,
Speaker 2: we do whatever we can to help them achieve their goals.
Speaker 2: But they're all really driven young girls, and I love
Speaker 2: that about them. You know, they're the ones who are
Speaker 2: setting their alarms, getting up early, getting their school uniform
Speaker 2: or their tennis close out the night before, So you know.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 2: You know, I think if they keep putting in the
Speaker 2: hard work that they do, then possibly because natural ability
Speaker 2: can only take you so far, but that hard work
Speaker 2: and that work ethic will take you so much further.
Speaker 2: So look, I see that in them. I see their
Speaker 2: work ethic, their commitment, and if that's anything to go by,
Speaker 2: then I'm sure they'll have some sort of success. Whether
Speaker 2: they make it to a professional level, who knows, But
Speaker 2: for us, that doesn't determine success. The fact that they
Speaker 2: love what they do and if they can stay in
Speaker 2: a sport for a long time means that you know
Speaker 2: they've been able to find something that they truly love.
Speaker 1: The three girls, Candice, I really would love to chat
Speaker 1: to a little bit about social media. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a hot button issue of the last year. I think
Speaker 1: how all of us relate as adults with technology is
Speaker 1: an ongoing conversation, but it's particularly a big conversation around
Speaker 1: children and social media, and of course there was legislation.
Speaker 1: And why this is such a fascinating thing I think
Speaker 1: for you and I to discuss here today is that
Speaker 1: your three daughters have an Instagram account called the Warner Sisters.
Speaker 1: It's managed by you and Dave. It's almost got two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers at the time of recording. Can you
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about that decision was that
Speaker 1: them angling to open an account? Did you have any reservations?
Speaker 1: Love to know how that conversation unfolded. As a family.
Speaker 2: During COVID, David was really big on TikTok. Loved doing
Speaker 2: the dancing and just doing all the fun things that
Speaker 2: I suppose everyone else was doing, and the girls would
Speaker 2: quite often get involved in them. And I saw how
Speaker 2: much fun we were all having as a family. It
Speaker 2: would make us laugh. It brought us together on the weekends,
Speaker 2: would practice dances and do them, and the girls found
Speaker 2: a love of just, you know, doing those dances. And
Speaker 2: then they've always been in the spotlight, whether it be
Speaker 2: with David on our Instagram accounts, We've never blurred their
Speaker 2: faces out or anything like that. So I started the
Speaker 2: Instagram account for the girls and it was a way
Speaker 2: for us. It was a way for us to a
Speaker 2: few things, teach the girls how to use social media responsibly.
Speaker 2: Even though we use it. We're always showing the girls everything,
Speaker 2: you know, before we post anything. You know, are you
Speaker 2: happy with this? We show the girls. They can read
Speaker 2: the comments, you know, we show them. It's all about
Speaker 2: teaching them, guiding them. And then it's also we wanted
Speaker 2: to do it in a positive way, show everyone how
Speaker 2: fun kids can have. So how much fun kids can have.
Speaker 2: You know, our kids are just no different to any
Speaker 2: other kid. They play sport, they like to do dancers.
Speaker 2: They yes, they've got parents with a high profile. But
Speaker 2: for us, it was all about putting out a positive
Speaker 2: image and teaching the girls how to use it responsibly.
Speaker 1: A lot of different things there are that I'd love
Speaker 1: to chat further about. One of them is actually even
Speaker 1: just about putting that positive content out there. Can is
Speaker 1: because I think about this a lot. The algorithm, as
Speaker 1: I think most people know, certainly people that work in
Speaker 1: media and are working in any sort of content creation online,
Speaker 1: is that the algorithm is rewarding anger and outrage and negativity.
Speaker 1: And so when a lot of us, even if you're
Speaker 1: spending a little bit of time on one of the
Speaker 1: social platforms, it just feels like everyone's piling in on
Speaker 1: that person. Everyone's frothying up about this person, everyone's sledging
Speaker 1: this person. Feels like there's a lot of anger and hostility,
Speaker 1: And of course you and I could talk a lot
Speaker 1: about how that's spilling over into our discourse as humans.
Speaker 1: So I'd love to know about that putting lighter positive content.
Speaker 1: What's even been the response people finding it refreshing and
Speaker 1: is it getting found because we know that some of
Speaker 1: the social media platforms are deprioritizing positive.
Speaker 2: Content, so it's absolutely being found. We see that through
Speaker 2: the views of some of their reels, which can be
Speaker 2: eight million views, ten million views, twelve million views for
Speaker 2: some of them, so we know that it's being found.
Speaker 2: Regards to the algorithm, Again, my daughters don't have a phone,
Speaker 2: they don't have social media themselves. They have access to
Speaker 2: see what I've posted of their account, so they don't
Speaker 2: see any any negative things. So they're not exposed to that.
Speaker 2: But for us, it was a way to show other
Speaker 2: young people, other young users on Instagram and social media
Speaker 2: that it is like life can be fun. Social media
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be this dark cloud, this negative world
Speaker 2: where you know, it's everyone talks about just how bad
Speaker 2: it is all the time. Well, no, we learn a
Speaker 2: lot through social media as well. It brings us together,
Speaker 2: We can connect with other people, and I think we
Speaker 2: need to sort of see it as that as well. Yes,
Speaker 2: there are the dangers, and it's really important to educate
Speaker 2: people and our young young users and our kids about
Speaker 2: the dangers. What you put out there, you can't get back.
Speaker 2: And you know, that's what we're doing. We're putting out positive,
Speaker 2: fun things that we like and if you don't like it,
Speaker 2: that's fine, and we're trying to show people that, you know,
Speaker 2: it's all about having fun using it the best way possible.
Speaker 2: And I teach my girls and we speak about what
Speaker 2: would Nana think? So if we were putting a post out,
Speaker 2: would Nana agree, would Nana approve?
Speaker 3: And so we think about that.
Speaker 2: You know, if we were going to put something out
Speaker 2: that Nana wouldn't approve of, then maybe we shouldn't be
Speaker 2: putting it out because once we put it out, yes you.
Speaker 3: Can delete it, but that image can be there forever.
Speaker 1: Could you give maybe an example of that, if you're comfortable, like,
Speaker 1: what would be something where you would apply that test,
Speaker 1: would Mawter approve and you maybe decide against it?
Speaker 2: Generally, it would be the girls love doing dances, and
Speaker 2: so if the dance move were slightly inappropriate, or if
Speaker 2: the music that they're dancing to might have lyrics that
Speaker 2: I don't think are particularly appropriate, things like that. But
Speaker 2: it's all about teaching the girls because they don't quite understand.
Speaker 2: But if we can educate our daughters and our kids
Speaker 2: what's right, what's appropriate, what's inappropriate? It could be hashtags
Speaker 2: things that they pick up on at school or in
Speaker 2: the playground, but they don't quite understand. So the phones
Speaker 2: aren't going anywhere. Social media isn't going anywhere.
Speaker 3: But it's about.
Speaker 2: Limiting it and using it in a way. Like I
Speaker 2: said that we can use it in a positive weight.
Speaker 2: Phones are our our life, our heartbeat, almost you know,
Speaker 2: that's how we connect, That's how we pay well. I
Speaker 2: pay my bills, I do all my emails, I do
Speaker 2: everything on my phone, but it's about you know, I
Speaker 2: think it's an addiction, but it's also we've got to
Speaker 2: learn to sometimes just put it down or be present
Speaker 2: with our kids, or prison in an area, but they're
Speaker 2: not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: They're here to stay.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask a little bit about federal
Speaker 1: government here in Australia in the legislation that was passed,
Speaker 1: which was the Online Safety Amendment, which introduces a mandatory
Speaker 1: minimum age of sixteen for accounts on certain social media platforms. Now,
Speaker 1: just again to be really clear, as you've already said,
Speaker 1: ken As you and Dave are managing the account for
Speaker 1: your girls, so I know that they're not managing it themselves,
Speaker 1: as you've already discussed. But when Anthony Albanzi was drafting
Speaker 1: the legislation was before Parliament, he said, there's a clear
Speaker 1: causal link between the rise of social media and the
Speaker 1: harm to the mental health of young Australians. And obviously
Speaker 1: some of that is about trolling, but also about then
Speaker 1: the dependence I suppose that young people can get on
Speaker 1: people liking their content. So I wanted to ask what
Speaker 1: your thoughts are about that. Obviously be aware of that discussion, yes,
Speaker 1: and for you and Dave. How is that something that
Speaker 1: you've navigated in terms of the girls seeing those comments.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I would say that in regards to the
Speaker 2: girl's account, ninety nine point nine percent of the comments
Speaker 2: have all been positive. If there have ever been any
Speaker 2: negative comments on the account, it's about David and us
Speaker 2: as parents, not so much as about the kids and
Speaker 2: what they're doing. In regards to Anthony Albernezi and what
Speaker 2: is bringing in with trying to bring in with the
Speaker 2: social media. I definitely support that because, like you said,
Speaker 2: young people get dependent on the likes, and they can
Speaker 2: get depressed and the trolling, and we've seen that suicide
Speaker 2: happens from all this online trolling, and I mean that's
Speaker 2: something that's very serious. So I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 2: But that's why we manage our accounts. Our girls don't
Speaker 2: have their own TikTok accounts, they don't have their own
Speaker 2: Instagram account because I don't believe that young kids, because
Speaker 2: they are kids, have the mental capacity to deal with negativity.
Speaker 2: They don't have the emotional intelligence to deal with trolls.
Speaker 2: Even us as adults, we still don't. So I think
Speaker 2: I think it's a good thing. Whether that means we
Speaker 2: have to shut the girl's account down. So be it.
Speaker 2: If that's the rule, If that's the law, then of
Speaker 2: course we abide by that. But for us, our social
Speaker 2: media is about teaching our girls how to use it responsibly.
Speaker 2: And that's why they have an input in what we show.
Speaker 2: That's why I teach them about ignoring negativity. What you do,
Speaker 2: we just delete the comments. You mean, now you can
Speaker 2: completely turn off all you can hide likes. There's so
Speaker 2: many different things you can do now. But it's all
Speaker 2: about for us teaching the kids, educating the kids, but
Speaker 2: also allowing them to have fun as well.
Speaker 1: And coming up, Candice reveals the secret to her and
Speaker 1: David's ten year marriage. Your explanation there, I think has
Speaker 1: also answered some questions that I'm sure some people have
Speaker 1: put to you directly or listening to this might have,
Speaker 1: which is well, obviously, you being in the public spotlight
Speaker 1: for so long since you were a teenager and first
Speaker 1: becoming an iron woman, and of course David Warner of
Speaker 1: course also a huge name for both of you, You've
Speaker 1: experienced so much trolling. You and I have discussed that,
Speaker 1: and some people go, well, why even let your girls
Speaker 1: anywhere near that surely you would run am from it,
Speaker 1: and it sounds to me and it's what you're saying
Speaker 1: is you feel this is helping you, you're empowering them,
Speaker 1: and for you, your approach is more. Actually it's there.
Speaker 1: So because almost of what we've been through, we're really
Speaker 1: on the front.
Speaker 2: Foot there most definitely, and we have experienced trolling. We
Speaker 2: still experience it, whether it be a newspaper article or
Speaker 2: you know, there's people always going to leave comments that
Speaker 2: aren't very nice. But you've got to also learn that
Speaker 2: that's life and you've got to learn to if whether
Speaker 2: it happens face to face in life, you've got to
Speaker 2: learn to deal with it, to turn your back or
Speaker 2: to to you know, walk away from a certain situation.
Speaker 2: And social media is going to be there whether we
Speaker 2: like it or not. So it's for us, it's about
Speaker 2: teaching the kids, if this is what's happened, then delete it,
Speaker 2: turn your comments off, don't read it, or teaching my
Speaker 2: kids that to be positive to when they are at
Speaker 2: an age where they have their own social media accounts,
Speaker 2: how about we lift people up and we write comments
Speaker 2: on If you are going to write a comment, you
Speaker 2: write something that's empowering, something that's going to make that
Speaker 2: person feel good, you know, send some love rather than hate.
Speaker 2: And it's again, if you just completely just block it
Speaker 2: out and say it doesn't exist, well then I don't
Speaker 2: think you're teaching your kids how to use it properly.
Speaker 2: And it can be a real positive thing. And if
Speaker 2: you don't want to go on social media, don't. If
Speaker 2: you want to protect your kids in a way where
Speaker 2: you're not teaching them any life skills or anything about life,
Speaker 2: well then you're letting your kids down. Okay, So for us,
Speaker 2: it's about teaching, it's about we Also we're very protective
Speaker 2: of our kids. Again, they don't have their own social
Speaker 2: media account. They aren't old enough, you know, so so
Speaker 2: we see it all. We hear what everyone's saying. But
Speaker 2: it's for us, it's about letting them be kids also
Speaker 2: enjoy enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I'd love to ask you about the response, the negative
Speaker 1: and the positive, so both of them, because like I said,
Speaker 1: just think it's a really interesting discussion. And sometimes public
Speaker 1: sentiment seems to be going in one direction on an issue.
Speaker 1: I think especially when there is as we both acknowledge,
Speaker 1: it is really valid conversation that we're all navigating as
Speaker 1: consumers of our social media and creators ourselves, but also
Speaker 1: as parents. But the other side people going, well, I
Speaker 1: do want to be on there, and I want to
Speaker 1: actually turn the algorithm around, because if everyone that wants
Speaker 1: to put positive comment or get on there in a
Speaker 1: nice way goes away, well then I mean to put
Speaker 1: it in the most simple ways. The bad guys are
Speaker 1: going to win.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exact.
Speaker 2: And so if you can put something on that's going
Speaker 2: to make someone smile, someone laugh, someone feels something in
Speaker 2: their heart that they may not have felt before, then
Speaker 2: you know, the more we can do that, like you said,
Speaker 2: the algorithms will change. So it's the content that you're
Speaker 2: watching obviously dictates your algorithm. So if you just flick
Speaker 2: through something, then that's going to go away. If you're
Speaker 2: going to sit there and watch it, that's what's going
Speaker 2: to start feeding your algorithm. So if I've got young
Speaker 2: girls that are, you know, in a tennis tournament and
Speaker 2: or they're at a soccer or they're doing a dance
Speaker 2: with their dad, then you know, I think that's for us.
Speaker 2: We find that fun, we find it cute, we find it.
Speaker 2: You know, people obviously like seeing it.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a bit earlier about the judgment. Yes, that's around.
Speaker 1: I often think the way that we judge other parents
Speaker 1: and the way that people parent, it's competitive bought all
Speaker 1: of its own. And I'm speaking to somebody that knows
Speaker 1: more about competitive spot than most people in Australia in
Speaker 1: the literal sense. So I imagine speaking about this today you
Speaker 1: would be bracing that there will be people coming out
Speaker 1: at you with their unsolicited opinions.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's an opinion, So I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't care what people say about me, about my husband,
Speaker 2: about us as a family, because it's their opinion.
Speaker 3: It's not fact.
Speaker 2: They don't know us, they're not you know, they will
Speaker 2: probably never even see us face to face, and if
Speaker 2: they do, please approach me and don't have a conversation.
Speaker 1: But you go, no, Well that you really have partly
Speaker 1: answered it, which was as I said. I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you about some of the positive response, and especially
Speaker 1: among younger girls, so your daughter's friends, how they're sort
Speaker 1: of responding, how they want to be engaging in social media,
Speaker 1: and then the response from parents yes that are saying well, yes,
Speaker 1: I love this, and I also want to my kids
Speaker 1: with the knowledge, and I don't want to just retreat
Speaker 1: from the platform.
Speaker 2: So most of my daughter's friends have Instagram and TikTok
Speaker 2: their own accounts, and then nine and ten, so they're
Speaker 2: seeing what my daughters are putting out there, and it's
Speaker 2: starting to change.
Speaker 3: What they're posting.
Speaker 2: Before they may have been posting, you know, get ready
Speaker 2: with me and their makeup tutorials. Now they're showing what
Speaker 2: they're doing on the weekend, if they're they're at sport
Speaker 2: or you know, they might be at the movies with
Speaker 2: their friends, those sort of things, rather than So it's
Speaker 2: changing the way they're looking at their own social media
Speaker 2: accounts and what they want to post. And you know,
Speaker 2: my daughters are really proud of their achievements and so
Speaker 2: we post things about that.
Speaker 3: But mostly it's the parents are loving it.
Speaker 2: And they like the fact that their daughters or their
Speaker 2: sons are seeing my daughter as getting outside, being active,
Speaker 2: and I think they're really well rounded because of it all.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side of the discussion, of course,
Speaker 1: in the lead up to the federal government tabling that legislation,
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of campaigns about the lockout period
Speaker 1: and a lot of high profile Australians speaking out about
Speaker 1: social media and how they don't want children anywhere near it.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that a lot of those people would
Speaker 1: be people that you would know in your social circle.
Speaker 1: And again understand that what you and David doing is
Speaker 1: not contradicting any of that, but I again, it still
Speaker 1: would be out of step with some of those popular
Speaker 1: views that were being demonstrated by celebrities.
Speaker 2: And a lot of those people probably their kids have
Speaker 2: social media, and look, I agree with the law, there's
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. So I mean it makes a
Speaker 2: bit difficult because my kids don't have social media, so
Speaker 2: that is very different. You know, they're not accepting friends
Speaker 2: who they don't know, They're not engaging with people who
Speaker 2: are complete strangers.
Speaker 3: There's nothing like that.
Speaker 2: And I'm not here to defend their page, but I'm
Speaker 2: also here to say that, yes, it can be dangerous,
Speaker 2: and I truly believe that what Anthony Albanese is doing
Speaker 2: is the right thing to protect young kids and young
Speaker 2: adults from something that can be very dangerous. But we
Speaker 2: also have an obligation as a parent, who most parents
Speaker 2: have social media, is to teach our kids and people
Speaker 2: how to use it. In a positive way, because that
Speaker 2: can be amazing positives from it. My mother's in a
Speaker 2: seventies and uses TikTok and absolutely loves it. She has
Speaker 2: learned so many new recipes she has learned, you know,
Speaker 2: so many I suppose natural medicine on what she can
Speaker 2: do to help herself.
Speaker 3: So I mean, there's some fabulous things out there. So
Speaker 3: let's not.
Speaker 2: All be doom and gloom about social media because it's
Speaker 2: wonderful if we know how to use it correctly, and
Speaker 2: if we can empower people, or we can educate people,
Speaker 2: or we can make people smile or laugh.
Speaker 1: I think. And even before this most recent debate really
Speaker 1: ignited about social media usage among young people, a conversation
Speaker 1: that was quite prevalent again among other high profile Australians
Speaker 1: was running images of your children on social media. And
Speaker 1: as you said, you and Dave have always been careful,
Speaker 1: like very strategic and intentional. There's lots of guardrails about it,
Speaker 1: but obviously a lot of people decide, well, I'd rather
Speaker 1: that than you know, the paparazzi getting the shot. So
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you about that kind of because
Speaker 1: as you said, you and Dave don't block out the
Speaker 1: girl's images, and obviously some people I think we feel
Speaker 1: that it seems counterintuitive, but obviously, again it's about you
Speaker 1: owning the narrative. And would I be right to say,
Speaker 1: in some ways you feel like there's more privacy if
Speaker 1: you're the ones dominating controlling the narrative.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been times where we've had paparazzis outside
Speaker 2: of our house because of certain situations, or we're at
Speaker 2: the beach and they're taking photos of myself and the
Speaker 2: kids that can be incredibly unflattering to me, to the girls.
Speaker 2: So if we put an image out there, it stops
Speaker 2: all that, you know. So there's some ways, you know,
Speaker 2: of trying to stop certain situations. But we've never found
Speaker 2: a need to blank our kids' faces out or anything
Speaker 2: like that. We are incredibly protective of our girls. Don't
Speaker 2: get us wrong, but I don't see the need to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not in a I don't feel like
Speaker 2: someone's going to come and kidnap my daughter if they
Speaker 2: know what school she's at. You know, I don't, like,
Speaker 2: I'm not that type of parent, Like you've got to
Speaker 2: live a little bit, Like if just because we have
Speaker 2: a profile and my husband plays cricket. What are we
Speaker 2: supposed to just live behind, you know, four walls and
Speaker 2: never leave there and never let our kids be seen
Speaker 2: or heard. No, you know, if it's good for us,
Speaker 2: it's good for our kids. And our kids are fine
Speaker 2: with that, and they're very happy, they're thriving, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's up to the individual how they parent, and for us,
Speaker 2: it's about, you know, letting our kids be kids like
Speaker 2: any other kid. And you know they're happy, they're really
Speaker 2: happy young girls. And you know we just, yes, we're protective,
Speaker 2: but we're also realistic, you know, in the world that
Speaker 2: we live in.
Speaker 1: When I mentioned that when you started to get a
Speaker 1: bit of media attention when you were as young as
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen, and we're just beginning out as an iron
Speaker 1: woman and you were photographed seeing a newspaper at fourteen,
Speaker 1: I'd love to ask you about what your recollections of that,
Speaker 1: the excitement that came with that, but then also the
Speaker 1: pressure or the attention wanted or unwanted, and what your
Speaker 1: memories are of that and how you think that, how
Speaker 1: what does it have in common with you know, young
Speaker 1: people of course, including your own three daughters growing up
Speaker 1: in the social media and what is so different about
Speaker 1: it as well?
Speaker 2: The kids, well, they you know, they get a real
Speaker 2: buzz when they see themselves on the news or in
Speaker 2: a newspaper and the first thing they do is call
Speaker 2: up their nana and say, Nana, look did you see us?
Speaker 2: And so they get a real buzz out of it,
Speaker 2: you know. And I think you know when the kids
Speaker 2: at school say, oh, we saw you at the cricket
Speaker 2: or you know, the girls love that, and you know
Speaker 2: most young kids they do, they all, you know, they
Speaker 2: get a real buzz out of that. I think pressure
Speaker 2: comes from within. Pressure doesn't come when your face is
Speaker 2: in the newspaper or whatever. Pressure is something that you
Speaker 2: put on yourself. I mean, I know with myself at
Speaker 2: such a young age, I didn't start putting pressure on
Speaker 2: myself because.
Speaker 3: My photo was in the newspaper.
Speaker 2: I put pressure on myself because I worked really hard
Speaker 2: and I wanted to achieve at a high level. So,
Speaker 2: you know, pressure is sometimes a good thing. And my
Speaker 2: girls understand pressure. They play tennis five six times a week.
Speaker 2: Most of the times in tennis you lose, you know. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: there's only if in a tournament, there's only ever going
Speaker 2: to be one winner.
Speaker 3: So tennis teaches you how to lose.
Speaker 2: It teaches you how to be resilient, how to keep
Speaker 2: turning up week after week when you may not have
Speaker 2: had had a win. So yeah, in regards to pressure,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's a good thing, but it's also something that
Speaker 2: you place upon yourself, not from anything that's on social
Speaker 2: media or in a newspaper.
Speaker 1: I'd love to ask you if you would be open
Speaker 1: to sharing a hack with people watching, reading, listening to
Speaker 1: this about this conversation. I think about resilience, and all
Speaker 1: of us want to arm our children with not letting
Speaker 1: life's disappointments derail them early on and seeing a comment
Speaker 1: that's negative, but knowing well, as you have already articulated,
Speaker 1: this is not actually about me, It's really about them.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of us as parents are struggling.
Speaker 1: We know we want to do that and them a
Speaker 1: lot well, how do we actually do that?
Speaker 2: I think the best way to teach resilience is to
Speaker 2: not wrap your kids in cotton wool, because so many
Speaker 2: times everyone wraps their kids in cotton wool or like
Speaker 2: in bubble wrap because they don't want them to get hurt.
Speaker 2: They don't want them to be disappointed. But you know
Speaker 2: what a bit of tough love. How can you teach
Speaker 2: resilience if you've never failed? How can you tell your
Speaker 2: kids to get back up when they've never fallen? You know, yes,
Speaker 2: we love our kids and we support them, but we
Speaker 2: also need to let them learn for themselves sometimes and
Speaker 2: losing or failing it doesn't mean that's the end. It
Speaker 2: means you know there's going to be growth. So I
Speaker 2: think it's all about letting your kids fall, letting your
Speaker 2: kids learn for themselves, guiding them, helping them, being there
Speaker 2: for them when they do fall, but allowing them to
Speaker 2: have that fall, allowing them to experience life and experience
Speaker 2: things for themselves, because how do you learn if you've
Speaker 2: never even tried? How do you succeed if you've never
Speaker 2: put your foot on the line, or if you've never
Speaker 2: gold or aimed for something?
Speaker 3: Because you're too scared.
Speaker 1: And that's really why I wanted to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Listening to that can is because I think a lot
Speaker 1: of this is not the prevailing approach to parenting. The
Speaker 1: most unkind label. A lot of us deal with this, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, the cotton wall generation, and we're all shielding
Speaker 1: our children from any sort of disappointment or failure. But
Speaker 1: there is also there is truth to that is and
Speaker 1: to hear a you that is saying let them fail, yes,
Speaker 1: is I think something that a lot of parents are
Speaker 1: starting to become more open to. That's my observation. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you would agree with that, and I
Speaker 1: think having someone of your profiles speaking out about it,
Speaker 1: whether it is about your approach to social media or
Speaker 1: just sport and life in general, is something people want
Speaker 1: to hear. But it's, as I say, it's not the
Speaker 1: conventional snoring of.
Speaker 2: The tennis and it's not easy sometimes to let go
Speaker 2: as a parent. But kids are They're born resilient. Kids
Speaker 2: are resilient. People are resilient. They just don't know that
Speaker 2: they are because they're never sometimes we don't allow them
Speaker 2: to be. And sport teaches us so much, and it's
Speaker 2: taught Dave and I how to be tough, how to
Speaker 2: be strong, how to get back up. But I see it,
Speaker 2: like I said, when I use tennis as an example,
Speaker 2: because my kids, you, my kids play it. They lose
Speaker 2: more than they win, but yet they still turn up
Speaker 2: to training. They still have that drive, that determination, you know,
Speaker 2: in a tournament, there can only be one winner. Ever,
Speaker 2: like you go to the but does that mean that
Speaker 2: you're a failure because you that you tried and that
Speaker 2: you push yourself. No, you know, and then you keep
Speaker 2: going back and you keep going back. So life is
Speaker 2: that you know, you're not going to go through life
Speaker 2: or rosie. There's always going to be setbacks. And if
Speaker 2: we don't let allow our kids to experience that now,
Speaker 2: how are they going to know how to deal with
Speaker 2: setbacks when they're out of school, when they're adults themselves.
Speaker 2: We need to prepare our kids now so that when
Speaker 2: they're older, they are going to know how to deal
Speaker 2: with any situation that's put in front of them.
Speaker 1: Let me throw forward a bit to the girls getting
Speaker 1: a little bit older then I was asking you earlier,
Speaker 1: given their parents, whether there might be a sporting career
Speaker 1: in their future. The guest on the podcast last week
Speaker 1: was Tanya Hennessy, who is a content creator, and she
Speaker 1: and I discussed quite a bit about how that was
Speaker 1: something that was called an influencer. And there are influencers,
Speaker 1: which is a very specific sort of part of the Internet,
Speaker 1: but then people that are creating content in the way
Speaker 1: that so many people are, whether it's film or a book,
Speaker 1: or a piece of art or a podcast, and then
Speaker 1: it's being shared and amplified across online platforms. And she
Speaker 1: also then has monetized that and that is part of
Speaker 1: her business model. It's more complicated and nuanced role than
Speaker 1: an influencer with your daughters. Do you think this Instagram
Speaker 1: account could then potentially also pave the way for a
Speaker 1: career that sort of exists now, but also, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: when they're eighteen and in they're in their twenties, could
Speaker 1: be a whole career that neither of us can even
Speaker 1: forecast to now.
Speaker 2: Possibly who knows. I know, through the girl's Instagram account,
Speaker 2: they were approached by KO to do some work with
Speaker 2: the Summer of Cricket and they've done that two years
Speaker 2: in a row and they've absolutely loved being, you know,
Speaker 2: behind the microphone and interviewing people. And so if it
Speaker 2: leads to the girls being more confident in front of
Speaker 2: the camera, if it leads to them being more confident
Speaker 2: so that when they are at school and they have
Speaker 2: to do a performance or a speech or present something,
Speaker 2: then I think that's you know, I think that's absolutely fabulous,
Speaker 2: but who knows where it's going to lead them. At
Speaker 2: the moment, it's fun. They're not influencers, they're not anything.
Speaker 2: They're just young girls living their life having fun, you know,
Speaker 2: being sporty, and I just capture it and I put
Speaker 2: it on a page.
Speaker 1: Off the record. I know that you and Dave have
Speaker 1: been very clear that if or when one of the
Speaker 1: girls decides that they don't want to be involved in
Speaker 1: the account anymore, that you will obviously just stop her.
Speaker 2: Well that's right, And at some stage they might go,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to be on here. That's fine,
Speaker 2: Like it's not something that they have to do.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: But the girls love it at the moment. At the moment,
Speaker 2: they all love the same thing. But they will get
Speaker 2: to a stage where they'll hit high school and you know,
Speaker 2: they won't want to be the cute three little sisters anymore.
Speaker 2: They will eventually probably want to go off and do
Speaker 2: their own thing, and that's fine. But at the moment,
Speaker 2: it's where they're having fun. We're having fun and we're
Speaker 2: you know, just doing things our way.
Speaker 1: Quick change of pace before we wrap up, we won't
Speaker 1: ask you about a couple of milestones here for you.
Speaker 1: Are you and Dave celebrating your tenth wedding anniversary this year.
Speaker 1: Congratulations very much. I mean, obviously you have had a
Speaker 1: busy ten years, three beautiful girls, lots of lots happened. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'd love to ask you a little bit about you
Speaker 1: reflecting on the time that you spent together and everything
Speaker 1: that you've been through and also what you've been through
Speaker 1: publicly as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny when you hit these milestones, it do
Speaker 2: reflect on, you know, the past and the whole time
Speaker 2: you've been together. And I'm just incredibly proud of where
Speaker 2: we're at in life, where our kids are at, and
Speaker 2: you know, just the parents that we've become. Our relationship
Speaker 2: is very, very strong, but it always has been, and
Speaker 2: I think certain situations that we've overcome together just has
Speaker 2: made us even stronger. But I think, you know, we
Speaker 2: look at our kids and we see them as our
Speaker 2: biggest achievements. And yeah, so we just you know, for
Speaker 2: our anniversary, we didn't do much. We had dinner with
Speaker 2: the girls and you know, that was about it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we're really proud of how far we've come and that
Speaker 2: we just didn't give up along the way.
Speaker 1: When you were mentioning earlier that Davis still travel a
Speaker 1: lot for work because you have had to juggle that
Speaker 1: a lot with the nature of the career. And so
Speaker 1: how are you finding that. Is there ever a point
Speaker 1: where you think, okay, okay, things are going to calm
Speaker 1: down now. To use the elusive phrase that we always
Speaker 1: joke about Zoe Foster Blake book about It, these will
Speaker 1: come down soon spoiler alerate, they're not going to.
Speaker 3: Yes, no as soon as it's.
Speaker 2: The funny thing with Dave's cricket, there seems to be
Speaker 2: so many T twenty tournaments around the world, But I
Speaker 2: don't know whether he's going away for cricket or for golf,
Speaker 2: because I always think he's playing way more golf than
Speaker 2: his cricket. But when he's home, you know, asking me
Speaker 2: if you can go play golf. You know, he's a
Speaker 2: little bit scared. But when he's away, he can play
Speaker 2: as much golf as he wants, So, you know, I
Speaker 2: think there's something in all these different T twenty tours.
Speaker 2: I think it's just men wanting to play more golf
Speaker 2: away from home.
Speaker 1: It was funny because I don't know, if you know,
Speaker 1: Roger Corsa and his wife Renee. But he was on
Speaker 1: the podcast early this year and was talking about how
Speaker 1: he's to travel so much for work and just the
Speaker 1: nature of his job. He was away a lot, and
Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, it must be lovely now
Speaker 1: you're home a little bit more, and he said, I
Speaker 1: think Renee was like, go ahead and get a job.
Speaker 1: So in some ways, it's always the tussle, isn't it.
Speaker 1: If they're there, that's great. And yes, sometimes when they're
Speaker 1: back it's like, oh.
Speaker 2: God, well, we've the girls and I have learned how
Speaker 2: to navigate life with David.
Speaker 3: In another country.
Speaker 2: So for us, we have our routines in place, and
Speaker 2: you know, it all works out beautifully. When David comes home,
Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit different because you know, Daddy
Speaker 2: wants to do things and you know he's but it's
Speaker 2: also really hard for David when he comes back into
Speaker 2: our routine because he doesn't know where he fits either.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's a little bit of adjusting for
Speaker 2: the first few days and week and it can be
Speaker 2: a little bit difficult, but then we get back to
Speaker 2: a new normal and then when David goes away again,
Speaker 2: we go back to the old routine. So it's just about,
Speaker 2: you know, reshuffling things, and yeah, it can be interesting sometimes.
Speaker 1: I think when we last spoke, I might have asked
Speaker 1: a bit about a predictable question. But obviously with Dave
Speaker 1: living with three daughters and he's obviously outnumbered on to
Speaker 1: go back to the sort of gender aspect, and I
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, I'm a mum of two boys
Speaker 1: often get asked about that. Are you really outnumbered there?
Speaker 1: So how is that dynamic playing out for him as well?
Speaker 1: When he comes home? There's obviously, as you talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: they're very complicated young women. As the best humans are
Speaker 1: in this world. They love their sport and it's not
Speaker 1: like it's the pink pressy sort of little thing happening.
Speaker 1: But still got to ask about it.
Speaker 2: David loves it because when he's home, he's the girl's
Speaker 2: hitting partner at tennis, so he loves the fact that
Speaker 2: he can sort of have a hit of tennis with
Speaker 2: the girls. Or Ivy will say, Dad, can you take
Speaker 2: me down to the cricket nets. I'm the one who
Speaker 2: has to take them surfing, so in the middle of winter,
Speaker 2: I'm the one putting the wet suit on. So but yeah,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have it any other way. Honestly, the girls,
Speaker 2: they keep him very, very busy. He loves to dance.
Speaker 2: He's a fabulous girl dad. You know, you talk about
Speaker 2: girl dads, but he is fabulous. He dances with them,
Speaker 2: he sings with them, you know, anything that that. It's
Speaker 2: almost like anything that the girls ask him, He's like, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and he's got all this energy. Whereas you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit exhausted and worn out for the time
Speaker 2: he comes home. So yeah, he's he's really happy.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a nice balance. I was going to ask
Speaker 1: to you have your version of golf? Have you got
Speaker 1: something like a little hobby or pastime?
Speaker 3: I was only thinking.
Speaker 2: On the way here, when I was at school many
Speaker 2: years ago, I played the drums, and I was only thinking,
Speaker 2: on the way here, how much I'd love to just
Speaker 2: get back into doing you know, some drum lessons, and
Speaker 2: so I thinking maybe I'll pick up the drums again.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be fantastic. Yeah, you could start a
Speaker 1: band or someth Oh, I don't know, we might have
Speaker 1: a drum kit on your next came. Well, my final
Speaker 1: question then, actually, probably leads into you turn forty this year.
Speaker 1: That's the second milestone. Happy, Happy birthday again, a bit
Speaker 1: like a wedding anniversary can be a moment that prompts
Speaker 1: a little bit of reflection. Yes, I don't know, didn't
Speaker 1: get a drum kit that fortieth birthday? What were your observations?
Speaker 1: Particularly obviously everyone has lived a life by the time
Speaker 1: they get to a thirty or a fortieth or a
Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday, and of course beyond. But for you, where
Speaker 1: as we've already touched upon, so much happened because you're
Speaker 1: working so young, and you were so driven from a
Speaker 1: young age, and then you had the best and the
Speaker 1: worst of experiences in the spotlight for you coming into
Speaker 1: a fortieth Yes, how are you feeling about things?
Speaker 3: I feel good? You know.
Speaker 2: In the lead up, I was again a bit reflective
Speaker 2: and thinking where am I at now with my life
Speaker 2: and what do I want to achieve? Because I've always
Speaker 2: been you know, what do I want to achieve?
Speaker 3: What do I want to do?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm feeling like at some stage am I
Speaker 2: just mum at the moment? But then I sat back
Speaker 2: and I realized that, you know, I'm very happy just
Speaker 2: being mum now, because mum for me means seeing my
Speaker 2: kids achieve, being there and driving them to all their sports,
Speaker 2: making sure they get enough rest, you know, making sure
Speaker 2: that you know, it's it's my kids turns now. And
Speaker 2: I'm really happy to be their biggest cheerleader, be their
Speaker 2: you know, biggest supporter, and do anything that I can
Speaker 2: to help them achieve, whether it be at school, whether
Speaker 2: it be at sport, or being the best person that
Speaker 2: they can possibly be. For me, that is the biggest
Speaker 2: job that I could possibly do now. And you know,
Speaker 2: and if I feel like I'm doing good job at that,
Speaker 2: then you know I've achieved something pretty special.
Speaker 1: Well, a little birdie told us, as in your manager
Speaker 1: Sarah actually hope she doesn't mind me mentioning her, actually
Speaker 1: told us that you are the most hands on mum
Speaker 1: she's ever seen. And she said obviously all of the
Speaker 1: celebrities that she's worked with, there's no nannies. And again
Speaker 1: there's no like judgment here involved to any working women listening,
Speaker 1: working moms, including myself. But it is clearly what drives
Speaker 1: you and what gives you the most fulfillment.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I get that from my own parents. My
Speaker 2: parents were worked really hard, you know, really working class parents,
Speaker 2: but they were always there. They were always waking up early,
Speaker 2: making the lunches the night before, doing everything that. You know,
Speaker 2: so many parents out there do you know, I'm no
Speaker 2: different to anyone else, but I want to be there
Speaker 2: and help them in their success in life, you know,
Speaker 2: whether it be you know, doing all their homework with them,
Speaker 2: you know, sitting down reading with them, taking them to sport,
Speaker 2: picking them up whatever it is that they you in life.
Speaker 2: I want to help them succeed and be there and
Speaker 2: feel like that we've made it as a team because
Speaker 2: we are. We're a team, and that's the way I
Speaker 2: like to see it. And if one of my girls
Speaker 2: achieves and the other ones, you know, achieve somewhere else.
Speaker 3: We all together we succeed.
Speaker 1: Well, that is a nice note to leave our conversation on.
Speaker 1: Although maybe when you get that drum kit cove out
Speaker 1: of it, are going to like it too much that
Speaker 1: they may have some say a soundproof studio, a drum kit,
Speaker 1: and some built in time. You know, when Dave goes
Speaker 1: to do golf, you like, fine, but I've got drum
Speaker 1: lessons tomorrow for the same time. Canice one has been
Speaker 1: really really interesting and wonderful to talk to you. A
Speaker 1: lot of I think really thought provoking thoughts there about
Speaker 1: social media and parenting.
Speaker 2: And it's not easy. It really isn't and you know,
Speaker 2: we're all as parents going through this together and there's
Speaker 2: no really right or wrong answer. It's just we all
Speaker 2: want the best for our kids.
Speaker 1: Very true. Well, thank you again, Candace, and we will
Speaker 1: have some details in the show notes where you can
Speaker 1: find out a bit more about Candice Warner and the
Speaker 1: Warner Sisters Instagram account. Thanks again, and you can find
Speaker 1: out more about the Warner Sisters on Instagram via the
Speaker 1: link in our show notes. You can also watch this
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