WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 19 November 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:04.840 Welcome, they'll wait to pay. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:06.880 Well. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:07.600 Thanks for joining us. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.520 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Stauer and Caleb Bond. Coming 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:14.960 up tonight. Every parent's nightmare. A mum discovers a venomous 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.560 brown snake in her toddler's bedroom, and in. 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:19.320 Perth there's snakes on the beach. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:21.800 We'll show you all of that a little later, plus 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.240 when we get to the papers. 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:24.520 Sydney to be brought. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.560 To a standstill as the rail union goes on strike 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.440 over the weekend seeking a thirty two percent pay rise, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.839 and other things making news tomorrow. Anthony Albanezi very close 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.880 to Jijingping as they cuddle up at the G twenty 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.279 summit in Brazil. We'll get to all of that when 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.519 we look at tomorrow's newspapers. But first, what could be 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.560 more Australian than taking a Saturday afternoon to go down 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.440 the Bunnings get some hardware things for the home, and 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.040 maybe a sausage and a piece of bread. But what 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.360 most Australians didn't realize, at least for three years between 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.440 twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one, is that when they 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.240 went to Bunnings in New South Wales and Victoria Bunnings 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:10.360 were using facial recognition technology without their consent. After a 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.720 two year investigation, the Privacy Commissioner ruled today that Bunnings 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:19.120 had violated the rights of customers. Bunnings have been ordered 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.320 to put an apology online, to destroy all the information 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.960 they collected, and to promise never to do it again. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:27.640 Now. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.959 Bunnings escaped a fine because the Privacy Commissioner accepted their 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:36.480 explanation that they had done this with good intent. Bunnings 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.399 claimed they never used the information for marketing or for 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:44.840 tracking people's habits. Instead, they were doing facial recognition and 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:50.600 then cross checking that data with a pre put together 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.560 list of troublemakers so that they could identify people who 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.080 were known to cause trouble at Bunnings. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.720 Early in order to keep staff safe. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.760 Now, while accepting the explanation, the Privacy Commissioner said that 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:09.120 wasn't reason enough to violate people's human rights. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.320 Now. All of this came to light a. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.880 Couple of years ago after Choice magazine revealed it, and 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.760 it wasn't just Bunnings, The Good Guys and Kmart were 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.480 also accused of using facial recognition technology, and investigation into 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.720 Good Guys has been dropped, but in an investigation into 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:30.560 Kmart's use of the technology continues. Calibrin Liz, I think 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.720 Bunnings were pretty lucky not to be fined here. I mean, effectively, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.800 they were putting customers into what amounts to a police lineup, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.359 without customers ever knowing. They were collecting highly personal information 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.600 without consent, and we're expected to trust their explanation that 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.200 they weren't going to use this information for anything else 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.160 other than just trying to get ahead of trouble makers. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.120 But we're expected to believe. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.800 That when they weren't upfront with us in the first place. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:02:59.840 I think they were very. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.440 For and that was the reason that was used to 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.239 not give them the fine, that they had supposedly done 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.400 it with good intentions so that the fine was not needed. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.200 But regardless of whether or not they get a fine, 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.720 this decision by the Commissioner is extremely important because it 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:20.400 now sets the precedent that retailers cannot do this. The 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:24.359 warning fire has been shot to say, whether it's Bunnings 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.600 or anyone else, you cannot put up facial recognition without 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.359 full consent of the customer. To that now, we still 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.040 don't know exactly what full consent would look like I mean, 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.320 would it be as simple as a sign saying if 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.680 you enter this shop you know you will be under 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.120 facial recognition. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.680 But then it was to say whether you see the 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.120 sign exactly and. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:45.960 How much do they have to detail what they're going 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.760 to do with that? Right, So this should in effect 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.400 tell every retailer that. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.440 They cannot do this anymore, and for that we should 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:54.560 be extremely grateful. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.080 Because we've talked about this in. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.280 Terms of it's been suggested you're doing it in public 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:00.200 places as well well. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.560 I think we did a story. 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.000 Some months ago about was it the Tube in London? 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:08.280 Now they were doing facial recognition to monitor people's emotions 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.680 so that they could potentially decide what sort of advertising 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.600 to display in stations, et cetera. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.760 That's what this eventually leads to. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.919 Even if it begins purely as okay, where we're finding 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.560 out who the troublemakers are, it's not a big leap 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.760 to say, well, if you plug in a different bit 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.839 of technology or software over here, we'll be able to 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.120 track when you walk into the shop, when you walk 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.760 out of the shop. Your receipt is linked to your face, 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.120 so they know when you come in that you're more 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.680 likely to buy plumbing products, so you're more likely to 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.320 go to the garden section or whatever, and then they 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.520 send down a staff member to try and upsell you 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:45.960 on products. This is eventually where this stuff leads and 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.920 who's keeping the data? Where is the data being kept. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.599 There's no rules around how the data has to be kept. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.880 It could just be sitting in some service somewhere. I 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.680 mean Bunning said that they deleted it within milliseconds if 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.479 you weren't one of the dodgy people on their list. 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.240 But we don't know whose hole that data. We know 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.280 everything gets hacked these days. Yes, imagine if someone's got 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.640 all this biometric data on loads and loads of people 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.200 and someone hacks that system, that is extremely valuable. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.760 Hacked, Liz, that data becomes an asset right that of 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.919 course easily be sold for a lot of money to 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.320 various organizations. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.400 And we know that plenty of companies do this. I mean, 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.279 it wasn't long ago we were doing another story on 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:28.880 insurance companies getting data from your ohso smart cars that 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:33.080 are tracking when you break, how hard you break, all 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.960 the rest of it, and people were finding their insurance 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.360 policies we're costing a lot more money, asking why and 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.520 finding out through their insurer they were in bed with 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.640 the people gathering the data from the car's data base 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.960 and they decided, well, you're actually not that safe a driver. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.920 I feel like the commissioner has very much taken Bunning's 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.200 word for it with regard to this entire case. It'll 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.200 be interesting to see if kmart gets a similar ruling. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.279 They two are under exactly the same investigation because, as 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.880 you were just told, they two were busted back in 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.640 June twenty twenty two by choice. The good guys don't 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.600 have an investigation into them. But it will be interesting 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.160 to see whether Kmart gets a different ruling because they 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.400 can just as eagerly argue as I'm sure they will, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.240 the exact same thing bunningstead, which was our motives are 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.760 in the right place. We're just trying to crack down 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.719 hard on the baddies. But don't we know that is 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.160 the case with all surveillance systems. It's the individual privacy 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.919 of the masses in order to assure their safety from 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.680 the handful of bad guys. I don't know about you, 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.279 but I'm not willing to trade it in to Canada 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.920 now where after nine years as Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau's 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.320 approval rating has plummeted from the sixty three percent way 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.960 back in his heyday when he was first elected to 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:03.120 just twenty three percent in June of this year. It's 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.680 continued to tumble. So with an election breathing down his 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.440 neck coming up just next year, he's decided to back 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:18.119 off on the record immigration his government has seen poor 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.400 into Canada. Here he is saying, look, we could have 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.640 acted faster, but I'm making a move now, so vote 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.040 for me next year. People. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.520 In the last two years, our population has grow really fast, 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:37.240 like baby boom fast. Increasingly bad actors like fake collegists 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.320 and big chain corporations have been exploiting our immigration system. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.000 For their own interests. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.520 So we're doing something major. We're reducing the numbers of 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.600 immigrants that will come to Canada for the next three years. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.800 So he's decided all better crack down on this because 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.280 all the polls in Canada are showing for the first 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.960 time in a quarter century, the vast majority of Canadians 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:06.040 are saying we've had enough with these record levels of immigration. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.760 In this guy just wants to get re elected here 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.679 is the head of the opposition, which I certainly hope 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:17.520 will be the PM at next year. Pierre Polivier. He's 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.920 taking Trudeau to tasks saying, mate, you're the cause of 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.960 the problem. Stop blaming these third party actors or it's 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:30.040 just bad people exploiting the system. Listen to what Pierre 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.280 has to say and ask yourself, doesn't this sound like 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:38.680 he's describing our government, the labor government, the Albenesy government 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.000 to a tee. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:45.280 Let's not distract turn our gaze away from the source 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.880 of the problem, which is justin Trudeau, who increased our 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.240 population growth by three hundred percent in a matter of 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.360 a couple of years by his admissions, since me allowed 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.600 massive fraud in international students, temporary foreign workers, and the 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:04.360 refuge system. By his own admission, the liberal immigration policies 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:09.600 have caused massive housing, job, and healthcare shortages. And now 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:14.360 he's basically denouncing his entire immigration policy and expecting us 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.760 to believe that he can fix the problems that he caused. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:24.280 Wow. Massive housing, job and healthcare. Wow, it just reminded 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.640 me so much of here back at home. But the 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.920 amount of damage Pierre's going to be able to do 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.440 at the polling booth next year on this issue. And 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.319 we've seen this across the West. It was the case 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.160 in the UK, but not so much. They just voted 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.240 for change and they're not gonna get it any time zone. 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.280 It was certainly successful in the US. Trump used that 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.760 as a battering ram, and rightly so. I think Pierre 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.239 this is going to be another bastion of his campaign 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.160 against Trudeau because it goes without saying all the polls 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.360 are already showing this is what the people want and 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.840 which Canadians are going to be dumb enough to believe 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.200 that the guy who created the problem is going to 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:07.200 be the guy to fix it. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:08.440 Do you think we can put this down to the 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:09.520 Trump effect a little bit? 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.960 Perhaps? I mean Pierre has already been called very much 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.360 a Trumpian figure. He's very famous for chewing on apples, bary, 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:23.319 talking to reporters, questioning on their questioning them on their questions, 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.840 getting them to trip all over themselves. So he's very 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.720 much already seen as a very Trumpian figure. But again, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.920 I think this is and we've talked about across the 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:37.240 EU as well. This is played out beautifully in the Netherlands, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:41.280 in Hungary, in poland all the parties that say we 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.800 are running on an anti immigration policy because we've been 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.400 flooded and we're absolutely sick of it. Those are the 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:48.839 guys getting voted in. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.679 I just love the gas lighting by Justin Trudeau. I 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.920 mean the way he sort of sits down in the chair. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.240 He's the guy who's just set fire to every house 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.400 in the street and then he calls everyone together for 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:02.400 a chat about fire safety. You know, it's just incredible 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.360 that the front that he has. And of course if 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.520 you criticized his immigration policy, you would denounced as a racist. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.440 And this is another thing that has a commonality right 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.000 across the Western world. Remember it wasn't that long ago 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.720 that our own Laura Tingle accused Peter Dutton of us 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.400 stirring up racism by daring to suggest that high immigration 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.960 was putting pressure on housing. And Laura Tingle imagined that 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.360 people are going to go down to you know, bid 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.280 on a home or apply for a rental, and they're 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.760 going to see someone of a different skin color and 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.319 automatically blame them for the fact that you can't dwelling 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.760 in Sydney or wherever. And so we've been denounced as 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.240 racists for pointing out what Justin Trudeau is now saying, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.640 or actually, we do have an issue, but don't worry. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.440 Having caused the problem, now you can trust me to fix. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.200 It, which would be to say that the majority of 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.120 Canadians are racist. Now I'm sure true, don't may will 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.560 believe that, and so people on the left would believe that. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.040 But all the polling does now show that the majority 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.920 of Canadians believed immigration is too high. I'm generally willing 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.720 to give politicians credit when they admit they get things wrong, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:11.120 but on this coount, I have to say that, like, 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:16.760 it's the most obvious economic principle, supply and demand. What 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.520 do you think is going to happen when you increase 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.320 demand significantly when you don't have the supply to keep 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.160 up with it. You end up with housing crises, You 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.840 end up with cost of living crises. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:29.800 On and on it goes. You end up with a 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:31.240 lower standard of living. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.080 Justin Trudeau, even the person with the lowest IQ on 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.640 the planet, could work out the most basic stuff. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:39.480 Which that's justin true. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:43.720 I'll give you a little more credit than that, because 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.520 he is a communist. You do need to a couple 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.040 of branches to understand communism to begin with. But he 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.079 should have been able to see this coming. Any Western 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:52.920 leaders should have been able to see this coming. Anthony 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.120 Alberanze should have been able to see this coming. The 0:12:55.280 --> 0:13:01.440 reason that Trudeau, like Albansi, jacked immigrant so much was 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.160 to fudge the economic numbers because they know that if 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.320 they didn't have such massive population growth in the last 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.560 few years, they likely would have gone into recession. We've 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.040 been in effective recession for a long time, but the 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.320 numbers don't show we're in recession because we keep propping 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:19.840 it up with the population figures. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.319 Right, and then he goes to an election. Oh no, no, 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.640 it's not popular. I'd better walk it all back. Good luck. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.080 I agree with everything he just said, except, you know, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.040 give him a bit of grace because maybe he's a 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.120 politician who genuinely is admitting, you know what, we got 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:33.520 it wrong. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:34.920 But that was a seid. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.560 Rudo right, genuinely admitting he got it wrong. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.920 I'm just saying it's a settle minute, and within ten 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:45.280 seconds he's saying unscrupulous colleges, businesses taking advantage. I don't 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.040 think he was really admitting much fault. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.600 Rather funny though, because for the longest time he's called 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.720 everyone who opposed this mass immigration to Canada racist, So 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.760 you got to ask yourself, does this make you a racist? 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.440 Now you're amongst the people that you have opposed for 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.959 so long. So we've got a suggestion here on the 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.840 late debate tonight, does he want to pop over to 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:13.080 Ireland because their racisms are Her name is doctor Ebon. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:19.640 She's running racism courses, anti racism courses at eighty seven 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:26.160 percent off at the moment, bargain basement prices, ladies and gentlemen. 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.400 Maybe we can sponsor him to go. Maybe Canadians would 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.720 like to take that idea on board. Just in case 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.080 you've forgotten who doctor Ebon is here, she is back 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.960 in July explaining how Irish people need to be trained 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.960 not to be racist, and essentially that's the job that 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:49.520 she's beginning. Are there are no laws to protect people. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.720 People are brought into offices institutions that are not davers. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.560 So we've not done that walk, We've not trained people, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.320 and we can't expect our nation to be non racist 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.760 if we have not any put people who've not trained. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.720 Them you know, how to be non racist. 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.760 So those are key things and they are no loss 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.520 to protect people, there are no consequences. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.520 Well, maybe it's just a case of Ireland is experiencing 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.520 its highest immigration since two thousand and seven and the 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.440 Irish sig of it. Isn't it a wonder that these 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.800 Western countries, every single one of us, who are being 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:29.520 flooded with mass immigration, are always constantly lectured on how 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.640 racist we are. I mean, can you even back it 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.400 up with any stories? Remember when we were asking the 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.400 ABC who love to constantly bereat Australia and what a 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.360 racist country we are, It's like, can you provide any 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.120 proof to that whatsoever? 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:45.560 Well? 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:50.200 Dr Ebon Joseph is herself Nigerian born, right, So she's 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.360 gone over to Ireland where she has been successful enough 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.360 to have an academic career. She's now been made the 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.360 Special Rapporteur on Anti racism etc. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:01.920 So she's risen up. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.240 Quite well in that country and now complains that she 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.880 and other people feel uncomfortable in Ireland. 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:09.680 It's a very strange situation. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.120 Has lived there twenty two years and there you go 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.320 and has done so badly that she is now in 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.360 a top job and has to complain about the fact 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:18.240 she's in the top job. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.440 But I love the fact that she is struggling so 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:22.200 much to. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.760 Get people to buy into her anti racism causes that 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.640 she has to reduce the cost by eighty seven percent, 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.800 which I think just proves that. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:37.000 People aren't buying this nonsense. They know that it is nonsense. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.080 I mean, and she would think, as I'm sure a 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.520 lot of other people would. And I highly recommend you 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.760 watch the documentary Am I Racist? On the Daily Wire 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.960 because it's about exactly this, right, you would think that 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.160 there would be people lining up just waiting to go 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.720 into these courses because they've got all this internalized racism 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.640 and they go, fay, oh, We've got to fix the country. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.880 And because I'm white, I must automatically be racist, which 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.200 is what she's suggesting by saying that you need to 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.880 be taught to not be racist, as though we are 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.600 innately racist in some manner. But people just don't want 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.400 a bar of it. And it feels like the culture 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.280 is starting to turn, whether it be in the US 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.760 with Donald Trump or in Ireland with her having to 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.880 drop the prizes by eighty seven percent, people are actually 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.640 willing to stand up now and say, actually, no, We're 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.320 not a racist country. We're not innately racist. We don't 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.360 have to be taught not to be racist. We're not 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.040 going to literally buy into this crap anymore. 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.800 Well, Leslie said, the suggestion that the Irish need to 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.560 be trained not to be racist is itself a pretty 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.600 racist suggestion. And not only is it racist, but it's 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.200 highly offensive that they need to be trained like dogs, 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.080 that somehow they need to be reprogrammed. I'm just wondering, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.159 do you reckon there's a white irishman in Abajar in 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.000 Nigeria training Nigerians not to be racist. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.320 Somehow this only ever works one way. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.480 But of course, Caleb, as you pointed out, this woman 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.600 has been very, very successful, and she's been successful talking 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:14.280 about race, and so you know, for many people in 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.920 this area, there's a certain conflict of interest where they 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:23.000 are adamant that racism is a massive problem, we need training. Well, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.000 who should the government give millions of dollars to train 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.399 people not to be racist? Well, it just so happens 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.440 the people calling out racism also provide the training material. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.639 This particular woman has argued that the entire Irish education 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.920 system needs to be overhauled and the curriculum completely rewritten 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.200 from year one right through to the end of school. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.560 And I suppose that you know, well, she runs a director. 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.080 She's the director of the Institute of Anti Racism where 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.800 they provide training for individuals, corporate institutions and NGOs to 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:57.800 manage different so you can start train. If it's a bargain, 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.560 we'll train everybody. And if you're training everybody, eighty seven 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.600 percent off will still make you a lot of money. Now, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.159 I don't know if she's doing that, but I'm just saying, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.000 isn't it always interesting how the people pointing these things 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.200 out also provide the training to make it better. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:11.600 I know. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.000 And Ireland is clearly such a racist country that, as 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.760 you can see here in this footage, large groups of 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.520 Muslims can literally hold up the footpath to pray and 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.840 no one tells them to stop doing it. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.040 What a terribly racist country it is. People need to 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.800 be taught not to be racist. 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.040 Well, that's evidence that the Irish have been successfully taught to. 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.440 Just everything tolerance, everything's as well. 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.200 We're around the doctor has been totally successful. While we're 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.800 talking about big problems and the government telling you what 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.439 you should or should not be able to do and 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.119 should or should not be able to think. It seems 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.560 with every passing day that the social media age restrictions 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:51.520 that the government wants to. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.840 Push through by the end of the year. 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.960 There's only one more sitting week left to go after 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.960 this week in Parliament. They want to ram this thing 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:03.000 through before Christmas because the Albanezi government is desperate for 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.200 some piece of successful policy to take to the next 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.000 federal election. I mean, they can literally point to nothing 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:10.440 at the moment. The biggest thing they had with the 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.520 Voice that was a failure. The only other thing they 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.880 can really point to is that inflation has gone down. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.040 But have you seen that cause any change and your 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.600 power bills or your wages or anything. 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:21.280 Your grocery bills. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:21.800 No. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:23.640 They've got literally nothing to sell. 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.399 So they're trying to get this done as quickly as possible, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.840 but the number of people and the groups mounting against 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.320 this is growing. Even the Wiggles now say that they're 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.920 concerned about age restrictions on social media because, of course 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.520 we learned a week or two ago that one of 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.240 the outlets that would be included in all of this 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.439 is YouTube, and the Wiggles are saying, well, hang on 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.919 a minute. If kids can't go on YouTube and you know, 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.160 watch things like the Wiggles, then where are they going 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.960 to be going to watch content? They'll be going off 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:01.119 into the big, big, bad, unregulated world of the Internet, presumably. 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.320 Now there's plenty of other questions as well about how 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:04.760 age verification etc. 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:06.160 Would work. 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.800 Sarah Hanson young, and I mean I'm loath to give 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.400 her any praise, but she was part of the committee 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.480