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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Fitz and Whipper podcast.

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Speaker 2: Tracy Grimshaw, you've missed out on the Parry Harry styles tick.

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Speaker 2: It's sorry, Trace.

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Speaker 3: God damn, I mean Harry. I've interviewed Harry.

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Speaker 1: How did it go?

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Speaker 4: How did you find them? Was that Harry or one direction? Trace?

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Speaker 2: It was?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was one day. It was back in

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Speaker 3: the one D days and one Day came to Channel

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Speaker 3: nine in Willoughby instead a show for our audience and

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Speaker 3: we did a whole ocho on one D.

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Speaker 2: You can you see the magnetism with those boys? Can

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Speaker 2: can you understand why girls fall over for them?

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Speaker 3: Well, we had a live audience of teenage girls and

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Speaker 3: I absolutely could see how they were doing it. Harry

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Speaker 3: definitely has something. All of those boys has something. You

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Speaker 3: can see why he's become, you know, the superstar, you

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Speaker 3: know their post one D career.

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Speaker 2: Tracy. You know, over the years with some of the

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Speaker 2: big acts that you've had, is there someone that you've

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Speaker 2: ever been intimidated by, like just with their looks or

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Speaker 2: just how good they are in the field or their industry.

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Speaker 2: Is anyone intimidated you?

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Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, look, everybody intimidated me when I was young,

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Speaker 3: and I was working because I didn't know what I

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Speaker 3: was doing. You sort of but you have to really

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Speaker 3: learn to put that aside because otherwise you're not going

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Speaker 3: to do a very good job. You know, you have

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Speaker 3: to you have to just see them as a person,

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Speaker 3: not as a you know, an icon or a you know,

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Speaker 3: a power player. You just got to do your job.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Tracey Well, I heard a great interview with

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Speaker 4: yourself and Ray Hadley on two GB which I loved.

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Speaker 4: What was terrific, too, was the strength that you showed

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Speaker 4: when you were younger in your career, starting out where

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Speaker 4: it was kind of a given that this was a

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Speaker 4: males role, this is a male's world, and you managed

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Speaker 4: to push through, put that aside and become one of

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Speaker 4: the best obviously in your field, which I thought was sensational.

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Speaker 4: But when you look at some of the tough interviews,

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Speaker 4: as we go back to what FITSI said, looking at politicians,

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a difference between being a professional politician

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Speaker 4: and just having those answers where you fudge over it

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Speaker 4: and being a tough politician. Who do you think was tough? Well?

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Speaker 3: I think politicians these days are a bit media trained,

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Speaker 3: and their media savvy and they talk in sort of

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Speaker 3: you know, slogans if you like they and you have

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Speaker 3: to break through that. I remember the days of you know,

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Speaker 3: Bob Hawk, who'd have a stoush with you. You know,

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Speaker 3: he'd come under the set and that I mean I

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Speaker 3: didn't interview Bob Hawk on the set because I was young,

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Speaker 3: you know, Junior Burger then, but you know he'd have

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Speaker 3: a stoush with Mike Willisy for example, and you know

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Speaker 3: gos whitlam Ad hold his own, and Malcolm Fraser and

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Speaker 3: he's got gosh, Paul Keating would hold his own. Those

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Speaker 3: were the days when they they would actually they would

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Speaker 3: you know, stand there dig and they'd defend their turf

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Speaker 3: and they'd back themselves and they weren't talking in slogans.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, those of us of my age

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Speaker 3: remember that here well, But.

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Speaker 2: Tracy, you were the best at just through the bs.

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Speaker 2: And this was the thing because you know a lot

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Speaker 2: of politicians and you know, I mean Trump's probably the

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Speaker 2: best at it, but they can talk that they know

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Speaker 2: that they're in the wrong with there any question that's

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Speaker 2: being directed at them, but they can just talk absolute

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Speaker 2: rhubarb around at Tracy and not even get to the

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Speaker 2: point you're the one that can shut that down. Is

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Speaker 2: that hard to do? Do you? After an interview like that? Well,

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Speaker 2: the Scott Morrison one that you had, Tracy, which was

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Speaker 2: the famous one where you accused him of you know,

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Speaker 2: well you didn't accuse him that, you know, some of

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Speaker 2: the things that happened, you know, with the floods and

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Speaker 2: the bushfires and him not being there. After an interview

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Speaker 2: like that, is it like a sporting game where you

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Speaker 2: sort of shake hands and say, look, it's all part

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Speaker 2: of the job. Or are there moments where they really

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Speaker 2: walk away from you very angry?

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Speaker 3: Trace Well, the one with Scott Morrison when you know,

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Speaker 3: with the list about the floods and the ppe and

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Speaker 3: the chimneys and things. He wasn't in studio, he was

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Speaker 3: at an airport on the campaign. So so I don't

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Speaker 3: know that he was necessarily happy after that one. I

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Speaker 3: don't know because I'll never do him again because he

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Speaker 3: lost the election. A couple of days later, there was

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Speaker 3: one in Canberra where you know, I was sitting in

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Speaker 3: the room with him. It was after the women's protests,

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Speaker 3: and he didn't seem all that unhappy afterwards, and he

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Speaker 3: was busy. He didn't hang around and have a chat

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Speaker 3: on it. You know. Look sometimes that I mean, sometimes

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Speaker 3: people are unhappy with an interview and they'll get up

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Speaker 3: and storm out. Sometimes they'll chat with you afterwards. Everyone's

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Speaker 3: a bit different.

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Speaker 4: Well, I do know one interview where you lost complete

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Speaker 4: control of the guests that came in. It almost seemed

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Speaker 4: like a surprise interview. It was this one that you did.

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Speaker 1: Sh a really tough interview.

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't listen at all. That was COVID time that.

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Speaker 2: Animals traice. Isn't that the rule?

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Speaker 3: It was the dog when I was Yes, that was

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Speaker 3: when we were working from home and it worked for

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Speaker 3: exactly two days. And I quite like being at home,

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Speaker 3: even though our camera through Torah or all the spare

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Speaker 3: bedrooms are bad to set up the studio, and the

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Speaker 3: dogs love me being at home. But they didn't understand

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Speaker 3: have so.

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Speaker 4: Many great moments on the show.

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Speaker 2: We talk about a current affair because trace over the years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, look, we've had a laugh at

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Speaker 2: some of the stories that you've had on there. But

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Speaker 2: you know what, it's you are born a certain person

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Speaker 2: to be an ACA reporter, and you know what we

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Speaker 2: have Fodo in the building now who did it for

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Speaker 2: quite a long time, and Martin King as well. These

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Speaker 2: guys who need to go into the face of people

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Speaker 2: who can be quite violent. It's unbelievable. You need to

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Speaker 2: be a certain breed to do that job, don't you, Trace.

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Speaker 3: They put their bodies on the line, and you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: And I've never been an ACA reporter and that's why,

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Speaker 3: because I'm not prepared to put my body on the line.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I've actually never check anybody down the street.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, in my entire life, which really means that

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Speaker 3: I was I'm an absolute broad. It's an ACA literally

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Speaker 3: never chased anyone down the street or stuck my foot

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Speaker 3: in the door. But thank goodness, they're prepared to do

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Speaker 3: it because some people, some people just don't want to

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Speaker 3: be caught.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Trace, we want to say congratulations on the

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Speaker 4: career too, at your time at a c A. And

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Speaker 4: we can't wait to see what you do next.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm not doing anything for a year and

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Speaker 3: then I'll probably.

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Speaker 2: Bob my head up love sas Australia.

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Speaker 3: Sure you know I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here.

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