1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christianami. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: It it's Monday, February three. Food suppliers say the government's 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: renewables target is sending their energy bills through the roof. 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: The Independent Food Distributor's Peak body, which represents two hundred 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: food manufacturers, suppliers and distributors, wants labor to shift its 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: focus to coal and gas production. It says we'll bring 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: prices down. US President Donald Trump signed an executive order 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: imposing tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China on Sunday. Trump 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: said the levies were designed to style me the illegal 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: drug trade, but experts say it's laying the groundwork for 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: a continental trade war. You can read our experts analysis 12 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: right now at the Australian dot com dot au. 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: More is. 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: The hostages held for over a year by Hamas have 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: been reunited with their loved ones, but questions swirl around 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: the fate of some of the Middle East conflict's youngest 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: and most recognizable hostages. That's today's episode. It was a 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: moment four hundred and eighty four days in the mating 19 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: jardin Biebus, finally free after more than a year in captivity, 20 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: reunites with his sister, Offrey and father Eli. We love you, 21 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,639 Speaker 1: Eli said over and over as his adult son clung 22 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 1: to his dad. Keep your sense of humor. 23 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: We love you. 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: Aufrey, also wrapped up in her dad's embrace, pulled her 25 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: brother close. Earlier on Saturday, Yardin and two other men 26 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: taken hostage on October seven, twenty twenty three were released 27 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: by the Harmas militants who held them captive. 28 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: The three men were released today as part of the 29 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: Israel Gaza ceasefire deal. In exchange, Israel is expected to 30 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: free more than one hundred Palestinian prisoners and allow for 31 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: additional humanitarian aid todate. 32 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: Almost six hundred Palestinian prisoners held in Israel's jails have 33 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: been released and deported to Egypt, Palestine, and the West Bank. 34 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty one Israelis were taken hostage by 35 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: Hamas in the October seven attack. Eighteen have been released 36 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: since the exchanges began on January nineteen. Israeli Prime Minister 37 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: Benjamin Netnyahu, who's repeatedly vowed to bring the hostages home alive, 38 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: said he was thrilled to welcome Jardenbiba's home, along with 39 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: fifty four year old Oph Calderon and sixty five year 40 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: old American israeliman Keith siegel. 41 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 4: Off, then Keuth Kama Tovlotetrambabat, but he noted the job 42 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: is far from done, saying his government is working to 43 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 4: bring Yarden's young children Ariel and Kafir, and his wife 44 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 4: Shiri home. 45 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 5: Mischa Elia Kulano the Tontl schili Arienne Ukfilbibas. 46 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: Little Kafir Beebas was just nine months old when Harmas 47 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: invaded southern Israel more than fifteen months ago, making him 48 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: the youngest person to be abducted by the terror group. 49 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: He turned two on January eighteenth, one day before the 50 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: ceasefire came into effect, and the second time the milestone 51 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: has been marked in captivity. Kafir and his big brother, 52 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: five year old Ariel, both sport a shock of instantly 53 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: recognizable red hair. In November, Harmas said the duo and 54 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: their mother had been killed in a strike by the 55 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: Israeli Defense Force and released distressing footage of the moment. 56 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: Yarden was told his wife and children were dead, but 57 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: come January, their names reappeared on an initial list of 58 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: thirty three hostages to be released under the terms of 59 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: the ceasefire deal, giving members of their extended family fresh 60 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: hope they're alive. However, despite the safe return of Dad Yarden, 61 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: the fate of Kafir, Ariel and Shiri is unclear. 62 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: The uncertainty is widespread because there has been no confirmation, 63 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: and that's the vacuum that everybody is existing in. Because 64 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: Yarden has been released, He's got no idea. 65 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magne is the Australian's europe correspondent. 66 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: He's clinging to the faintest of hope that they are 67 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: still alive. And since December in twenty twenty three, he 68 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: was told that they had died in an airstrike by 69 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: the Israelis, and he was at the time asked to 70 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: do a video condemning Israel about the attacks and also 71 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: that they needed to release their bodies. Now he's done 72 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: that video. Israel did not release it at the time 73 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: because they said it was propaganda. The Israeli Defense Force 74 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: has said they have very grave concerns about the status 75 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: of Shii and the boys, but they don't have any 76 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: proof from Hamas about that status. So there is this 77 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: enormous uncertainty, and of course it kind of exemplifies the 78 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: agony for the Israelis about this, and that terrified image 79 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: just sticks with everybody because they've seen nothing else of them. 80 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, the Israeli government demanded that her mass provide 81 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: definitive answers about the status of Shii, Aeriel and Kafir. 82 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 5: Jack. 83 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Is there a world in which Shiri and her children 84 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: have died in captivity? And Hamas, understanding the fragility of 85 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: this ceasefire deal, is prolonging confirmation of that fact for 86 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: as long as possible so as not to provoke a 87 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: fresh attack by the IDF. Or on the flip side, 88 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: is this uncertainty about their fate just another way to 89 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: inflict further anguish on the extended Beabs family and by extension, 90 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: the Israeli people well Hamas. 91 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: By not releasing this information, it serves several purposes. Really, 92 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: it keeps everybody guessing. It means that there won't be 93 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: an outpouring of anger if they are confirmed to have 94 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: been dead at a time when negotiations for the ceasefire 95 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: to be a permanent one is ongoing this week, So 96 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: it's an incredibly sensitive and raw time. And I think 97 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: Hamas is playing a psychological game that it's in their 98 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: interests for people not to know what's happened. But that 99 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: also so it gives them leverage in these negotiations for 100 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: them to extract perhaps more prisoners, perhaps more concessions. So 101 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: they're not going to confirm anything to anybody at this stage. 102 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: Coming up, what next for the hostages and for the 103 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: ceasefire deal? Reflecting on the safe return of Jarden biebis 104 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Oph Calderon and Keith Siegel On Sunday, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanya, 105 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: who said he wouldn't tolerate any violations of the ceasefire 106 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: deal broken over months by a coalition of Katari and 107 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: American negotiators. 108 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 5: Madam but P Michael Damot if Hush should loot maccabeleta 109 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 5: Fato skin. 110 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: Onto Tuesday, Netanyahu will meet with US President Donald Trump 111 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: at the White House in Washington, DC, with negotiations over 112 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: the trucer's second phase expected to get underway after that, 113 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: though no formal date for the talks has been set. 114 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 6: Natanyao's offer said that US President's West Asia on boy 115 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 6: Steve Whitkoff, will talk to Kuthard and Egypt key mediators, 116 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 6: after which steps to advance and negotiations will be discussed 117 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 6: with the Israeli Prime Minister. 118 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: And that's where there's expected to be some tension. Phase 119 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: two of the ceasefire deal requires not only the release 120 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,119 Speaker 1: of any remaining hostages by Hamas, but also the declaration 121 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: of permanent peace and the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. 122 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Israel's wary of declaring peace because it says it wants 123 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: to be able to defend itself if Hamas regroups and 124 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: Harmas say they won't release the hostages until they can 125 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: be sure they won't be targeted by the IDF. Phase 126 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: two is due to begin next month, so should we 127 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: expect it to go ahead as planned? Here's Jacqueline Magney. 128 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: I think this second stage of negotiations is very much 129 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: up in the air. We've got several tension points happening 130 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: at the same time within Netnya, who's government. He has 131 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: to appease the Hawks in his government because he would 132 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: lose power if they resigned, So he's got to keep 133 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: his own politicians happy, and some of them are not 134 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: content with any kind of permanent cease fire. With Hamas, 135 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: they really want to have that option to be able 136 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: to return to hostilities because they perceive Hermas to be 137 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: an ongoing threat and until that threat is reduced to 138 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: a minimal extent, they're not going to agree to that. 139 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: So Netna, who's treading a very fine political line. He's 140 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: meeting with Trump, who wants a cease fire once all 141 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: the hostage is released, refugees to be housed in neighboring countries, 142 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: wants major upheaval in the Middle East, really because he 143 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: wants to focus on Iran and the issues that Iran 144 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: poses with their nuclear power. So this incredible shifting sands 145 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: of the Middle East discontinuing, and nobody quite knows where 146 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: that second stage of talks is going to land. At 147 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: this point, I think people are optimistic because the Israeli 148 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 2: people want all the hostages returned and they're willing to 149 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: give up anything for that to happen. But once we 150 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: see some of the hostages return that are dead, I 151 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: think the mood will change and that they will realize 152 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: that perhaps they're not going to get all the hostages 153 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: back in the lovely, waving, smiling way that we've seen 154 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 2: so far. So I don't think anyone can say with 155 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: certainty that this second stage is going to go ahead 156 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,119 Speaker 2: as what's been proposed. 157 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magne is The Australian's europe correspondent. You can read 158 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: all the latest on the situation in the Middle East 159 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: right now at the Australian dot com dot au