1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, always 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: Hey, Chicky's. 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 3: Before we jump into today's episode, please note that all 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 3: topics discussed in today's ap are general and not medical advice. 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 3: Please see your GP or preferred medical practitioner for advice 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: that's specific to you. All right, let's get into the app. 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: Hey cheeks, I'm sal and I'm and This is two 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: broa Chicks, a show that shares life lessons and tips 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: to help make you rich in life. And today we 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: are joined by Nat King Brudis the founder of Melbourne 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: based women's natural health clinic, The Pagoda Tree and host 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: of The Wellness Collective podcast with degrees in health sciences, 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: Chinese herbal medicine and acupuncture. We're chatting to night about 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: hormone imbalances, gut health and busting the BS myths you've 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: seen all over social media. 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: Hey Nat, Hi, guys, thank you for having me. 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: Thank you for getting us in your busy, busy schedule. 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 4: Look, the team did say do you want to go 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 4: and jump on the podcast? And I was like, yes, 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 4: give me a rest. 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: From the school holidays. That's the real reason. 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 4: I was like this sounds like a great idea. So 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 4: I'm really really happy to be here, extra happy. 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: Yay, thank you so much. 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: Well, before we get into the questions, we like to 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 3: start with a life lesson of the week. 28 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: So would you like to kick us off a life 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: lesson of Okay? So here I got two. Actually I 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 2: tie into each other. 31 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: So something I say to patients often I really try 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 4: and practice is everything is just a moment. Like we 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: get caught up in it and we think this is 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 4: our life. 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: Now it's like, it's just a moment. I love this. 36 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 4: It's just a moment, and I hope that it helps 37 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 4: somebody as well, because we get so wrapped up in 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: it and at the time it feels like you'll never 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: get out of it whatever is on your mind. But 40 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 4: then you look back and you're like, oh, I forgot 41 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: about that. Oh it seems like so long ago. So 42 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 4: it's good perspective. 43 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: What about you? 44 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 5: Al mine little backstory, but my favorite colors are red, green, gold. 45 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 5: And so it's my birthday on Saturday and I saw 46 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 5: these really cute press on nails and I'm in a 47 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 5: press on nails moment. I love it because going to 48 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 5: the nail Salon is the equivalent of going grocery shopping. 49 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Now for me, like, I hate it, I don't enjoy it. 50 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: It's boring. I want to go home anyway, And. 51 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 5: I got these nails, I was like, they're so joy anyway, 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 5: I put them on, and they're Christmas nails. 53 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: They're fucking Christmas nails. 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: I think they're cute. 55 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: As they look like Christmas nails. I didn't look at it, morbals. 56 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: I didn't get that vibe when I looked at them before. 57 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: But now you said it. 58 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you hadn't say anything, I would never 59 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 4: have thought, oh, wow, you're confused. 60 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: It's Christmas. 61 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: Their Christmas now? 62 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: Well because the press ons, does that mean you can 63 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: keep them and rewear them at Christmas time? 64 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 65 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: But yeah that's great. 66 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah silver lining. 67 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 5: So yeah, my life lesson is to rethink that color 68 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 5: combo in case. 69 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: So it's also your favorite colors. 70 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: Red and green is always going to give Christmas, but. 71 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 5: Those are my favorite colors to wear, Like I love 72 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: wearing green, and I love wearing red, and I love 73 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 5: and I. 74 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: Always wear God. 75 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: So I was like, this is perfect. 76 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: Put them on Santa clause. I am bit jingle bell. 77 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: I love it. 78 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your life lesson? 79 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: Okay? 80 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 3: My life lesson is a quote that I've seen before, 81 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: but then it came up on my Instagram feed and 82 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, We've never spoken about 83 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 3: it on the pod, and I think it will be 84 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: a good reminder for some. 85 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: Chickies out there. It's a nice, little wolesome moment. 86 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: Okay, It's better to admit you walked through the wrong 87 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: door than spend your life in the wrong room. 88 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 5: Oh how cute is that I walked to the wrong 89 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 5: door and I picked my nails and. 90 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: You have admitted it. 91 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 5: Yes, and now we can move on and we can 92 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 5: go on a different wrong. 93 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and now it is time to go into a 94 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: different room. 95 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: I love that. Let's get into it. 96 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: Okay, what actually are hormones? And why do they run 97 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: the group chat of our body? 98 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: Well, reasons they run the group chat. One. 99 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: We love to blame everything on our hormones. Right, Well, 100 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: what does that even mean? Like you're like, are you hormonal? 101 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 4: Or I'm so hormonal? Or your partner says are you hormonal? 102 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: And you allow that's how we go to jail. 103 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: My partner ever said that. 104 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: And rightly so. 105 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: But they are chemical messengers that tell our body what 106 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: to do and how to perform. What we're probably referring 107 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: to our sex hormones, so the ones that are related 108 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 4: to our menstrual cycle, and our stress hormones, which are 109 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 4: the ones that are released when we're stressed, and then 110 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: maybe throwing them mix some feel good hormones. But other 111 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: than that, like, there's hundreds of hormones that we're not 112 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 4: talking about. 113 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: Wow, they're the ones we're talking about. 114 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 4: We're talking about the ones that kind of run us 115 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 4: as women and men obviously have their own view, so 116 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: it gets thrown out a lot, the whole idea of oh, 117 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 4: your hormonal or hormones, but we don't really know what 118 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: we're talking about. 119 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: We've overcomplicated it. 120 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: And I really love to make things simple so that 121 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 4: you can walk away and go, oh, I don't have 122 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 4: to hate them. I have control and I know that 123 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 4: I can hack them to feel better. I say to 124 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 4: my team, do not expect anything from me the day 125 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: before my period, Like, don't ask me to be creative, 126 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: don't ask me to be anything. And if you have 127 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: to do something on that day, say this episode was 128 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: being recorded yesterday, you literally do the bare minimendment and 129 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 4: just do that and you'll be able because you can 130 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: still perform it. But it's important to also give yourself 131 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 4: grace on that day, like we like to make it 132 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: harder than it needs to be. If you're tracking your 133 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 4: cycle and you know roughly when your period's due, you 134 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 4: can kind of plan. 135 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: What about horny, that's pretty normal. 136 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 5: Actually, Whennie, when we read there's a horn dog rise. 137 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: Really it should be in the middle of the cycle. 138 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: So when you're oulating, yes, but a lot. 139 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: Of women do report that they feel their libido rise. 140 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: I've got that period. 141 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 4: What I will say is if you are experiencing symptoms 142 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: at the same time of the cycle or the same time, 143 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 4: then you can pretty much blame your hormones for them. 144 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 4: So if you're constantly getting a headache before the period, 145 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: let's say, it's not just by chance, it's hormone related. 146 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: Or if you've. 147 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: Nauseous at ovulation, it's not again, it's not just by chance. 148 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 4: If you watch the pattern, you'll probably find you're constantly 149 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 4: feeling nauseous around the same time. So your symptoms are 150 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: telling you yeah, yeah. 151 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: Once you start paying attention to it, it's wild. 152 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 4: But you can hack it. Yeah, right, you can almost go. 153 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 4: You know when and when we're ovulating is when we 154 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 4: wake up in the morning that day where you're like, oh, 155 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: my gosh, you look really good today. Like you look 156 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 4: in the mirror and you're like, oh. 157 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: That's me yah, you like its near princess. 158 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: Yes, the day before the period, you often look in 159 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: the mirror and you're like, that's all. And often you're 160 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 4: like flushed, you got more heat in your body. You 161 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: look in the mirror and you're like, oh, but if 162 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: you know that, you can also go this is not 163 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 4: this is temporary moment, just a moment. 164 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: You're like no, honestly, like, don't listen to ear. 165 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 5: Like we've said that everyone's not a text bookcase, right, 166 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 5: What are some of the most common hormonal imbalances that 167 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 5: you've seen in your career with women in their twenties 168 00:06:59,440 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 5: and like the. 169 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, the biggest hormone imbalance we see is estrogen being 170 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: proportionate to the other hormones, and that is a direct 171 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 4: result of modern lifestyle. So the impact that chemicals have 172 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: on us, that stress has on us. We're talking a 173 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: lot about forever plastics or plastics that make their way 174 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 4: into our bodies. Basically, any stressor can drive estrogen a 175 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: bit crazy, so we see this wild be The most 176 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 4: common thing that we see, especially in clinic, is too 177 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 4: much estrogen. And how do you know if you have 178 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 4: too much estrogen. It's pretty simple. Estrogen builds your lining. 179 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 4: So more estrogen, more lining, more bleeding, so you'll have 180 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 4: a heavier period. So that's probably the most common thing 181 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 4: we see. That doesn't mean to say we can't see 182 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: situations where there's not much estrogen at all, so low hormones. 183 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: So these are the women that don't get regular cycles 184 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: or don't cycle at all. It can often be seen 185 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: birth control. When a woman comes off birth control, I 186 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: don't get a period back. But it can be genetic, 187 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: it can be eating disorder related. It makes sense that 188 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: if there's not enough nourishment or not enough of your 189 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 4: body's ability to make your sex hormones, then you're not 190 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 4: going to see a period. And your body is smart. 191 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: It's prioritizing. It's like you are so stressed, or you 192 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: are so overwhelmed, or you are so unwell, you don't 193 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: need a period right now. It's the least thing that 194 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 4: needs This is like on the bottom of the pecking order, 195 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: so your body's responding to the environment and the other 196 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 4: one I will say that a lot of women will 197 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: now relate to because we're talking more and more about pcos. 198 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 4: So this is typically not always, but typically where we 199 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 4: see elevated androgens, so more testosterone in the body, which 200 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: contributes to a lot of those symptoms that are associated 201 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: with true PCOS. So there is different types of pcos, 202 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: but true PCs is you know, the weight gain, the acne, 203 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: the facial hair, the hair loss on top of the head, 204 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 4: the missing periods. It's not a fun time, but a 205 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 4: lot of those symptoms are well. We say that testosterone 206 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: women and men need testosterone, but men have more testosterone obviously, 207 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: so it's they're probably the most common, but there are 208 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 4: mini and variations of those. And then it's also your 209 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 4: genetics a play a role, and your environment and your 210 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: ability to cope with stress, your detoxification processes. So I 211 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: can see why people get overwhelmed by all of that, 212 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: but if you really just break it down, I'm always 213 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 4: saying to women, Okay, what's a period like heavy or 214 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 4: light or normal? 215 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: And what's normal? 216 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 4: Normal is not needing to change your paddle tampon more 217 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: than every four hours. 218 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: So if you're. 219 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 5: No sound and I both have like super heavy periods 220 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 5: to start, and then by like the third day, also 221 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: what's this. You get your period and mine will be 222 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 5: really heavy for like three days, and then on the 223 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 5: fourth day she's. 224 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: Like, I'll go away for a little bit, rise I'm. 225 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 5: Back and I'm like, wou you were gone, and she's like, 226 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 5: I was just tricking. 227 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: Very annoying. 228 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's often stress related, and all these things are treatable, 229 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: by the way, and it's not necessarily druggable. So this 230 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: is often why there's a misconception. Go to your doctor 231 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 4: and you say that's happening, and they're. 232 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: Exactly and that. 233 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: Makes well, it made me boggers. 234 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 4: Well, that's a conversation that really needs to be had, 235 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 4: because not all women want to go on birth control 236 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: and not all women can. And it's usually because I'll 237 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: tell you, if you're getting a heavy period, so you've 238 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: got more estrogen, and then you're adding more hormones to 239 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: your body that's already got a lot of hormones. It's 240 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 4: a disaster for that's a typical presentation as someone who 241 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 4: doesn't fare well on birth control, right, Yeah, that checks out. 242 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: You can actually literally read your signals to figure out 243 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 4: what's happening. 244 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: That's all there. It's just that no one's taught us 245 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: how to do this. 246 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw on TikTok once, So this with a 247 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 5: grain of salt. 248 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: Is it true that when. 249 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 5: Women have their periods they actually have a rise in testosterone. 250 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 4: The rise should be at ovulation, which is why you 251 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: feel like you've got this superpower. Yeah, if you think 252 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 4: about it literally, like it should rise with ovulation, not 253 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: at the period. Things kind of tank out at the 254 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: period time. 255 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: Everything it's likely. 256 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, everything is like kind of like washed away and 257 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: you start again. 258 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: But how do we know the difference between a regular 259 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: hormonal mood swing and a hormonal red flag? 260 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: Again? 261 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 4: Is it happening regularly at similar times? So pre period 262 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 4: being the most common time that we'll feel like we 263 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: want to stab someone in the eye with a full hak. 264 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: Like, you're not supposed to feel that all the time. 265 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: And if you're feeling all the time, we probably need 266 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 4: to look at you know, what else is happening. So 267 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 4: the cyclic nature of anything makes it more likely to 268 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: be hormone related. That doesn't mean that your hormones are 269 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 4: only imbalanced at certain times, absolutely not. You might feel 270 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: like that for half the cycle, which again can still 271 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 4: be hormone related. Usually, the most most common pattern of 272 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: that estrogen pattern that we were talking about, a woman 273 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 4: will say, I feel fine from when my period finishes 274 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: to when I ovulate. 275 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: That's only seven days. 276 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 4: That's not very long, right, And then from ovulation through 277 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 4: to when the period arrives again they feel rubbish. That's 278 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 4: again it's too much estrogen and not enough progestri So 279 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 4: pgestrin is the hormone that's made once you of your 280 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 4: eight and we feel good when there's enough of it. 281 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: We sleep well. 282 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 4: It helps us to feel awake and alive, makes your 283 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 4: eyes nice and bright. But if you don't have enough 284 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 4: of it, you feel bloated, you feel hungry, you'll feel stressed, overwhelmed, sad, 285 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: all the things. So it's actually looking at what hormones 286 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 4: are at play and working out how to recalibrate them. 287 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 4: And the biggest mistake we make with this is we go, oh, 288 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 4: you don't have enough progestriin, Let's just give you some. 289 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 4: But the problem is estrogen's not being taken care of. 290 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: When we do that, so if estrogen is there's too 291 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 4: much estrogen, all you're doing is supplementing progestrin to meet it. 292 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: A lot of those other symptoms. 293 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: Will still exist. The trick is actually regulating estrogen and 294 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: then pogestroon will naturally rise. 295 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 5: Asking for a friend, how do you do it? 296 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 2: I have a few hacks. 297 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 4: The first thing I'll always say to somebody is, if 298 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 4: you're not moving your bows every day, if you're not 299 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 4: pooing every day, you need to start pooing. 300 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: Everything in that excellent. 301 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 4: We need to make sure, though, that there's enough fiber 302 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 4: in the diet that you are able to allow the 303 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 4: excess hormones to bind to fiber. Fiber is an amazing binder. 304 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: So you might have the best poops, but you're not 305 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 4: eating enough fiber. Therefore it's not making its way out. 306 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: Or if it's too good of a poop, then that 307 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 4: can be a problem because there's no time for that 308 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 4: to happen. It's all happening too quickly, so you want 309 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 4: to make sure you're having enough fiber. Fiber is also 310 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: amazing because it's prebiotic, feeds the good gut bacteria. 311 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: Obviously it's a binder. 312 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 4: It helps to detoxify the body, and it helps to 313 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 4: regulate blood sugar, and blood sugar is another factor that 314 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: we look at in hormones as well, which can drive 315 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 4: them crazy, and this can cause cravings and all sorts 316 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: of other challenges, especially when there's elevated testosterone. 317 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: So it is a little bit of a fine dance, 318 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: but it's just looking at. 319 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 4: The symptoms and going, all right, so we know your 320 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 4: excess estrogen, going to make sure you're pooping properly, are 321 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 4: you having enough fiber, And then there are some other 322 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 4: little hacks that can really help a good probiotic because 323 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: we metabolize estrogen in the gut and stuff that's not happening, 324 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: then you're not shifting it out and making sure the 325 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 4: livers detoxifying properly as well. 326 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 5: Obviously, there are so many things that affect and play 327 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 5: a role in our hormones. And it's, as we've said, 328 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 5: and we really want to propose for everyone, it's so different, 329 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 5: and you know, we can't say that this episode is 330 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 5: the be all and end all of the education that 331 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 5: people will probably need to seek out as well, but 332 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 5: one that I think is just so common across the border, 333 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 5: especially with sal and I is sleep and how sleep 334 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 5: can affect your hormones? 335 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: So can you tell us a little bit more about 336 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: that totally? 337 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 4: I mean, first and foremost, I want to ask people, Okay, 338 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 4: is it but you're not sleeping? Can you fall asleep 339 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: or not? That's one issue? Are you waking? That's another issue? 340 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 5: So issue should ask yourself when you're like address it, 341 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: So being like, how long does it take me to 342 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 5: fall asleep? 343 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: How long do I stay asleep for? 344 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: What time am I waking? 345 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 5: Okay? 346 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: How long am I awake for? 347 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 348 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: And how do I feel in the morning when I 349 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: wake up? 350 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 5: Okay? 351 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: I guess They're probably the main things I would a somebody. 352 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 4: In Chinese medicine, we look at the Chinese medicine body 353 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: clock and certain times associated with various organs. So it 354 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 4: tells us information. If you're waking from one to three, 355 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 4: let's say am, it's the time that the liver is 356 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 4: most prominent, and it can be a good sign that 357 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 4: maybe there's some either you need to take. 358 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: Care of your liver, or it can be emotional. 359 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 4: It can be that there's unresolved emotions and the emotion 360 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 4: that's associated with the liver's anger. 361 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: Oh oh shit, you're never going to have me back 362 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: ever again. 363 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: It is actually just. 364 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 4: A d if you're waking. So the most common times 365 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: are one to three and then three to five. Three 366 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 4: to five is the time of the lung, and the 367 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: emotion that is associated with the lung is sadness. 368 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: I was going to say, I feel like that's more me. 369 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: So that's a useful clue for patients if they if 370 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: it doesn't really make sense why they're waking. I have 371 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: a theory, yes, and it's not well, it might be 372 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 4: proven actually, but I always say to patients, what if 373 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: your body was so smart it knew now's a good 374 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: time for us to deal with whatever's going on. Right, 375 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: it's going there's nothing around. You're really angry. You've got 376 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 4: had these anger since you know twenty twelve. 377 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: It's time to resolve it. And you're sitting there going, 378 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: this is so annoying. Why am I awake? Tomorrow is 379 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: going to be terrible. 380 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 4: So I say to patients, all right, first thing we 381 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: do when we wake up is we say to our bodies, 382 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 4: thanks for waking me. 383 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: Even if you don't really think that you're me. What 384 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: is it that I need to know? 385 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: Like? 386 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: Show me is there a ration, yes, because it's almost 387 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: like it's going is now a good time? 388 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: There's nothing else going on? Yes? Right, that's cool. 389 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 4: And I get people to sort of just lean in 390 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 4: and be curious. Now, sometimes you know exactly what it is, 391 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: and other times you don't know. 392 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: What it is. 393 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 4: So it's a really nice tool to just open the 394 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: door to be a bit more curious if there's been 395 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 4: a you know what, Really the reason we wake up 396 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: is because we're stressed. 397 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: On some level. 398 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 4: There's stress, right, and what stress does is impact your 399 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 4: sex hormoe. Like I said, so they want to be 400 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 4: in balance, but if stress hormones are high, sex hormones 401 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 4: will tank. So we've got to Actually I spend the 402 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 4: majority of my time regulating nervous systems and QUARTERSOL and 403 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 4: then the sex hormones just sort themselves out. It's looking 404 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 4: at where's the stress and what do I need to 405 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: do with now. I get patients to go quite deep 406 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 4: into some processes when they wake up, And what I 407 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 4: find is after they start doing that, over a week 408 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: or two, they stop waking. 409 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: Well that's cool to know that. 410 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't take to emails. 411 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 4: Actually, I've got a podcast episode you can listen to it. 412 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 4: You know what it went missing for ages. I used 413 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 4: to use it for patients all the time. I explain 414 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: it in full detail. It's like twenty five minutes. We 415 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: don't want to go down right now, episode called just 416 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 4: so we can make the one thing about sleep or something, Okay, 417 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 4: I'll find it for you. 418 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: But it's like. 419 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 4: Really goes into it properly, And I think it's such 420 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: a valuable tool because there's a reason that you're waking up. 421 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: It's not your body doesn't hate you. 422 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: It's not trying to seek revenge or make you have 423 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 4: a bad day the following day. 424 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: It knows what it's doing all the time. We just 425 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: don't know how to follow the cues. So it's a really. 426 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 4: Good one because there's also no harm in leaning into 427 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 4: what a feeling might be. 428 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: Now. 429 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 4: I know that also if someone is suffering from depression 430 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: or anxiety, obviously there's certain things that you need to 431 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 4: do to support your body, but also just being curious 432 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 4: and not putting pressure on yourself like I have to 433 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 4: solve this right now, not at all. It's just curious, 434 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: is there a feeling yep? Or The other really interesting 435 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 4: one that happens is you'll wake up in the morning 436 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 4: and a lot of people can relate to this and 437 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 4: you're like, oh, a new day. 438 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: But whatever the problem is. 439 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: It's like it's almost sitting on your shoulder and you're like, oh, yeah, 440 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 4: but you're still there, aren't here. And that can be 441 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 4: when there's something serious happening in someone's life as well. 442 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 4: You know, a loved one sick, or you know there's 443 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 4: something that you know that maybe there's a final moment. 444 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: Of that's really stressful. It's not that that. 445 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 4: Feeling you should you never should ignore it, but it's 446 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 4: not that you have to dive into it either. It's 447 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: just acknowledging it. It's like, oh, there you are, high friend, 448 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: thanks for that reminder. Yeah, we make it bigger than 449 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 4: what it really needs to. I think in these overwhelming moments, 450 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 4: it's just acknowledging feelings is very important. 451 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: Otherwise your body just stores it somewhere. 452 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, And what about those who aren't waking up and 453 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 5: they like go to bed, they wake up in the 454 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 5: morning when their alarm. 455 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: Goes off, but they're still really fucking tired. 456 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: They should check that thyroid. 457 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 4: If you prioritize, if the two things that you take 458 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 4: away from this episode is prioritize fiber, and you prioritize sleep, 459 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: you'll be a different person. 460 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: How can people get more fiber asking for a ford 461 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: I have? 462 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 4: We actually create a fiber product. It's just a food 463 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 4: suitical but it's slipperyalm cilium, cheer and flaxeed and a 464 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 4: few other ingredients phenomenal for hormones called mbody. So that's 465 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 4: something I made because people weren't getting enough. And then 466 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 4: I was asking to mix some simple ingredients together and 467 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 4: they weren't doing it. So I ended up partnering with 468 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 4: someone and we made this product and it's been hilarious 469 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 4: because we never anticipated the changes that women would report 470 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 4: from just increasing their fiber intake. That's been one way. 471 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 4: But obviously food is medicine and it's all just food products, 472 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: so you know, green leafy vegetables, broccoli, beans, asparagus. I 473 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: could go on and on berries, popcorn, popcorn. You know 474 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 4: what I say to patients, I can give you a 475 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: list of what I think you should eat, but I 476 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 4: don't know what you. 477 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: Like to eat. 478 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: Google Google five and choose your top five and start 479 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 4: eating more of them as an easy way. But we 480 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 4: do love it's really interesting with the embody. We do 481 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 4: love the idea of a supplement, even though it's just 482 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: food packaged up. So people think they're doing something therapeutic, 483 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 4: and it does have a therapeutic impact on the body. 484 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 4: But I think psychologically we're like, I'm taking something to 485 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 4: feel better, whereas if I'm just eating more asparagus, I 486 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 4: don't feel like that's other than making my wee smell disgusting. 487 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: I don't think it's else. 488 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 5: I also wanted to chat about whether this is kind 489 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 5: of more fact or myth about whether over exercising can 490 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 5: affect your hormones. 491 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 4: Great question, and the answer is yes absolutely. I mean 492 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 4: over doing anything is never a good idea. Where is 493 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 4: the Goldilocks is probably age dependent more than anything and circumstances. 494 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: If you're a high quartersole pattern and you're doing a 495 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 4: lot of high quartersole activities, you're only adding to the problem. 496 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 4: Having said that, the best thing to do when you've 497 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: got too much quartersole is move your body. So you've 498 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 4: got to find a happy medium. What I can tell 499 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 4: you is what you need to do in your twenties 500 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 4: and thirties is very different from what you need to 501 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 4: do in your mid thirties to and beyond. And that's 502 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 4: the hard part. I think often we're doing the wrong 503 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: thing at the wrong time. But over exercise ICEE patients 504 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: where it makes if they've got endometriosis, it can make 505 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: the endometriosis worse. 506 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: If they're not. 507 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 4: Sleeping, it can contribute to their insomnia. So it is 508 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 4: finding the happy medium. And what is that I would 509 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 4: say that you're looking at. Doing weight training is really 510 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 4: a priority. It should be for most people. It's the 511 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: most protective thing that we can do. So two to 512 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: three times a week weight training and then sprinkling that 513 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: with whatever else you like. Blood is walking, But it 514 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: is good to look at. Okay, am I highly stressed? 515 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 4: Am I exercising too much? 516 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 2: And really thirty to forty five minutes should be enough 517 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: if you're doing it properly. Shifting gears or at all? 518 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: What's the connection between gut health and your hormones? 519 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: Good question, Just. 520 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: Bringing it back to fiber so a little bit sort 521 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: of But. 522 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 2: You are learning, yes, you are? No, you are you 523 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: one hundred percent learning. 524 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: We don't know loads about this, but we have enough 525 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: to know and then assume we know that there's certain 526 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 4: strains of bacteria called east bloom and they metabolize estrogen. 527 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: So if you don't. 528 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 4: Have those strains of bacteria, you're missing a step in 529 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: estrogen metabolism, which means you're kind of adding to the 530 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 4: pile right now. 531 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: We don't have having too much estrogen, is correct? 532 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: Yes, yes you are. You're learning great and I'm explaining 533 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 2: it properly. 534 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 5: Yes. 535 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 4: So that's the one of the first steps in us 536 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: regulating our estrogen. So if we don't have that essential bacteria, 537 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 4: then that's going to be problem. The challenges we don't 538 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 4: live in a world yet that I can just give 539 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 4: you that bacteria, So you need to look at the 540 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: whole gut, to colonize the entire gut and continue to 541 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 4: feed it, which is where fiber comes in because it 542 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 4: feeds the good gut bacteria and we can continue to 543 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 4: treat it like it's a garden essentially, so we're constantly 544 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 4: feeding it and allowing it to flourish. The challenge is 545 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: that we can have dys biosis where bacteria can be 546 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 4: imbalanced and we can have too much of one and 547 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 4: not another, and that's when we can feel terrible bloated. 548 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 4: It can contribute to hormone imbalances. It can contribute to 549 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 4: any pretty much any issue that you have, we can 550 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 4: link back to the gut in some way, shape or form, 551 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 4: and so I would say the gut is the pivot 552 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 4: of health. We need to be looking at that, especially 553 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 4: for hormones. The other thing I will say is stress 554 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 4: impacts the gut in the same way. 555 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: A course of antibiotics will impact the gut. 556 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 4: So antibiotics are great in the sense that they will 557 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 4: clear away bad bacteria, but they also take away good bacteria, 558 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 4: and then you're left with trying to kind of make 559 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 4: up and catch up, and that can give an environment 560 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: where the bad bacteria actually collinate more quickly than the 561 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: good bacteria. So that's why often people have the same 562 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 4: problem come back again. I'm always trying to do whatever 563 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 4: I can to support a patient's good gut bacteria, which will, 564 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 4: through real estate, out weigh the bad bacteria. But stress 565 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 4: is another big factor that we don't talk about when 566 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 4: it comes to gut health, and probably the reason one 567 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 4: of the main reasons other than poor food quality, chemicals, toxins, 568 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: those sorts of things that we are seeing dysbiosis in 569 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 4: so many people because we're very We're just generally stressed 570 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 4: and we're not taught how to cope with it. Yeah, 571 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 4: so we're all idling far higher. Our nervous system is 572 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 4: idling far higher than it needs to be. And what 573 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 4: are you doing today to try and bring that down? 574 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 4: Like it's not a conscious thing to go. I'm just 575 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 4: going to go and regulate my nervous system. 576 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 5: And I know that everyone hates talking about the pandemic samesease, 577 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: but I truly feel that since the pandemic and lockdown 578 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 5: and COVID, stress has just become like the buzzword of 579 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 5: the century. Like I just think everyone is so much 580 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 5: more stressed after that, and like the trauma and fear 581 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 5: of like that experience, and like we've just not been 582 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 5: able to regulate our nervous system since that. And when 583 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 5: we're talking about stress, we're talking about cortisol, right, Yeah. 584 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, cortisol and adrenaline. 585 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 4: But cortisol is you know, what we're releasing in the moment, 586 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 4: and it's idling. 587 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: That's the problem. 588 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 4: Like we're not supposed to constantly release it. It's supposed 589 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 4: to be crappy situation. Oh my god, you know, I 590 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 4: need to get something done or I need to move 591 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 4: out the way of a car or a moment. 592 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it can be good, like corsole. 593 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: To make your hormones. 594 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 4: If you don't have this is the other thing. If 595 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 4: you don't have quartisole, you can't make your hormones. A 596 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 4: it's a component that you require to make them. But 597 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 4: your body's also clear. If there's too much of it, 598 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 4: it'll turn it off, especially when it comes to your 599 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 4: sex hormones. So again, it's balance. Is very cliche, but 600 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: it's what you're trying to seek out in all moments. 601 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 4: And I do I think you need to check in 602 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 4: with yourself. 603 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 2: I get patients. 604 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 4: The best thing you can do is check in when 605 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 4: you find yourself, you know, you do a bit of 606 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: a check and your shoulders are up by your ears 607 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, yeah, there they are, Okay, I'm 608 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 4: going to take those down, or you've just gone and 609 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 4: then you're like, oh my gosh, it's my body trying 610 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 4: to regulate. If you can start to become aware of 611 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 4: some of the signs that your body is showing you, 612 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: you can check in and go yep, okay, feeling overwhelmed, 613 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 4: good chat, Thanks for that. The more you're aware of it, 614 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: the more you can do something with it. The majority 615 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 4: of us are unconsciously stressed, so we need to become 616 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 4: consciously stressed and then we can actually do something about that. 617 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 4: But you can't do anything about it if you're not 618 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 4: even acknowledging it. And I'm also here to say it 619 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: doesn't make you more successful, it doesn't make you a 620 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 4: better person, It doesn't. It just makes you frantic over 621 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 4: a long period of time. 622 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: So how do you be the best version of yourself? 623 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: You've got to get conscious of this, and that's all 624 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 4: you actually have to do in these situations is acknowledge 625 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 4: it and go, oh yeah, okay, feeling overwhelmed. Thanks Nat, 626 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 4: good reminder, take a breath, let's keep going. 627 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 5: I love that that is, And that's such an easy, 628 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 5: easy thing to put into your routine, cost nothing, just 629 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 5: having like whatever works for you in your self soothing toolbox. 630 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 5: So if it is, unclench your jaw, drop your shoulders. 631 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 2: And then take a breath. 632 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 3: Like that's so easy and also something that you can 633 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 3: do so if you're stressed in a meeting, you can 634 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 3: do all of those things without someone being like ge spiraling. 635 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 5: I love that probably every single person that's just come 636 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 5: across this has relaxed their shoulders, unclenched their jaw and 637 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 5: dropped their forehead and been like ah. 638 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 4: And the other really great hack is five diaphramic breaths 639 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 4: that will reset the nervous system. So you can do 640 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 4: that anywhere, on the toilet, in the car and traffic. 641 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 4: Sitting here, I could do it if I was feeling disregulated. 642 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 4: Five breaths from the diaphragm and your reset. 643 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 5: I would love to know, then, what is the biggest 644 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 5: BS myth about hormones you have seen on social media? 645 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: All? 646 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 4: There's so many that one that the pill fix them. 647 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 4: I think that's the Unfortunately it's the mainstream method that 648 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 4: we're offered, and that's no one's well, it is someone. 649 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 4: It's the system's mistake because you go to your doctor 650 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 4: and their job is to give you a solution, and 651 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 4: that's what they have in their toolkit. Your doctor doesn't 652 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 4: have the way the system is set up, your doctor 653 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 4: doesn't have an hour to sit with you and go 654 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 4: through all the contributing factors. And also, I just want 655 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 4: to say, it's one thing to be on birth control. 656 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 4: Because you're on birth control, like as in you don't 657 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 4: want to have children, and that's a conscious choice. It's 658 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 4: a different thing to use it to try and manage 659 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 4: or fix a hormone imbalance. So I just want to 660 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 4: say that, and I'm never ever judging anyone. It's like, 661 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 4: I want people to have information to make decisions as 662 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 4: to what's right for them. 663 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: But it doesn't fix your hormone imbalance. 664 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 4: It'll be there all along, underlying in the background, just running, running, running, 665 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: And then what I see happen most often is women 666 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 4: will be fine for five ten years, and then all 667 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 4: of a sudden they'll be like, oh my gosh, symptoms 668 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: are coming back. I'm spotting, I've got pain again. So 669 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 4: little symptoms start to break through. And it's because the 670 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 4: problem itself hasn't actually ever been addressed. So it's not 671 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 4: that you can't use it, but we have to actually 672 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 4: try and manage and restore what your body is actually 673 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 4: imbalanced in to actually get long term results, and birth 674 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 4: control can't do it. I will also say, though, it 675 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 4: can give you a break in the weather, and that's okay. 676 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: Like if you've got horrendous periods, I'm not going to 677 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 4: sit here and say, oh, suffer through those while we 678 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: fix it. Yeah, no, you know, we use what we can. 679 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 4: But I think it's important to know that there are 680 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 4: solutions because that's not necessarily you know, told to us, 681 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: and that they are outside of taking that. 682 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 5: So, yeah, what's the best thing that women can do 683 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 5: in their daily routine to support their hormones? 684 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 4: Fiver, sleep, all the things we've pretty much said, all 685 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 4: the things that you really need to do. There's nothing magical, 686 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 4: but I think it's it's using the symptoms as little 687 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: clues to sort of line them all up and then 688 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 4: be able to go, Okay, what is my body actually 689 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 4: telling me? 690 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: And there's really five I would. 691 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 4: Say most common patterns of imbalance that we see, and 692 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 4: all of those are very easy to see via symptoms, 693 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 4: so it's profiling them. I actually have a quiz. I'll 694 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 4: give you a link for it, but it's quick. It's 695 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: just one of those like old school. If you are 696 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 4: mostly a's, you are this. It's really late, but it 697 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 4: actually helps the doctor's exactly a place starting in the 698 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 4: sense that it took me probably thirty seconds to put together. 699 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: But it does help people to go, oh, I'm excess 700 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 4: estrogen or I'm a high quartersol pattern like it helps you, 701 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 4: based on your signs and symptoms to work out Okay, 702 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 4: well what. 703 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: Might be the next best step? You know, what do 704 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 2: we do with this? 705 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 4: So I think using symptoms as clues is always you know, 706 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 4: there's no test that's going to confirm a lot of 707 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 4: these things for you. You can test hormones, and you should 708 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 4: test hormones, but that means nothing if you've got nothing 709 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 4: to compare it to. And also tests are just a 710 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 4: snapshot of a window in time. It depends on when 711 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 4: they were taken, where you were in your circle, what 712 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: was actually happening at the time of day. 713 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: Like, there's so many variables. 714 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 4: So they're good, but that's not the you know, you 715 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 4: can't just push all of your eggs in that one basket. 716 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: I love that, Thank you so much. 717 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: And with our guests we like to wrap up with 718 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: the same question, and it is what is your biggest 719 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: life lesson so far? 720 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: Oh? My biggest life lesson? 721 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 4: I think it always works out in the end, like, 722 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 4: no matter what, even when you think and you've had 723 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 4: the same experience over and over again, and then you're like, oh. 724 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it always works out. 725 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 4: Like life is basically working things out all the time. 726 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 4: And when someone says to me, oh, yeah, but this 727 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 4: has happened, Well that's happened, I'm like, yeah, that's how 728 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 4: life is. It's a series of readjustments and learning from 729 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 4: experiences and being okay with all of that. Like, I 730 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 4: think we often think that we're doing it wrong. We're like, 731 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 4: I'm doing life wrong. I should be doing this, should 732 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 4: be doing that. It was going to be the way 733 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 4: it was because it is that way already, so move on. 734 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 4: But I do think that we have far more control 735 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 4: over this. It comes into being kinder to ourselves as well. 736 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: I love that beautiful way to end the episode. 737 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I've got so much homework to do. 738 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm excited. 739 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: Hi. 740 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: I wake up in the middle of the night and 741 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: they'd been like, what going on? What did your girl? 742 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: Just kidding? Thank you so much, NT. 743 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: That was amazing, awesome, Thank you so much for having me. 744 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: This has been so fun. Yeah, oh my god, it's 745 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: been our pleasure. 746 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: And thanks to you chicks for having us in the 747 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: ear holes. 748 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: We love to be here. 749 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 3: And thanks to m I k Made for making today's 750 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: episode happened. 751 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: Look bit love you chicks. 752 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: Yi