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Speaker 1: In fact, a statement from the government says the property

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning to you as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm from half cup cafe. And yeah, it's a very

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Speaker 3: very interesting what the government has decided to do for

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Speaker 1: So are those facts right as I've presented them?

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Speaker 3: However, we had no choice back then. So I contacted

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Speaker 1: So is that when you decided to move back into

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can say that. Look, thank you

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Speaker 1: So where is this at at the moment. So he's

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Speaker 2: he can hardship just through their haggling, and it needs

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Speaker 2: you can't put their lives on hold, living in a

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Speaker 2: Well, I heard that ad just before you came on

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Speaker 2: Tom Kusantonis is the minister here, and I would ask

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that Tom wouldn't like it if the government

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Speaker 2: We're going to knock your house down, Go and find

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Speaker 2: another place. No, and things are different, you know. Back

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Speaker 2: look we've put a million dollars in a trust account.

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Speaker 2: You can go and access that if you're on while

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Speaker 2: And I've seen the valuations, Matthew, and I think the

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Speaker 1: And first the one point three figure that was a

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Speaker 2: Well, they've given him three right because they pay for them.

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Speaker 2: Was the one that Rashid was the one point three

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Speaker 2: more than three hundred thousand. West. It's just outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's exactly right. It is outrageous, Frank.

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Speaker 2: And just think about it. It's two properties, matew you're

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Speaker 2: He said, Look, he's a hard working migrant into this country.

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Speaker 2: We need people like Rashie. And he's taken this with

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Speaker 2: good humor. Actually, when I went out and saw him

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Speaker 1: I reckon, it must be happening to a lot of people. Frank,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time this morning. Let's have a

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Speaker 4: John, good to speak with you again, Good morning, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: And this sounds like a story you would not be

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Speaker 4: No, and it's becoming more familiar every day with the

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Speaker 4: acquisition of the properties for the North South corridors. Let

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Speaker 4: me tell you the acquisition processes works like this. Whenever

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Speaker 4: the government intends to acquire property from private owners, they

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Speaker 4: are entitled to get evaluation by a value from the

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Speaker 4: private sector, which the government pays for. The Department also

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Speaker 4: gets evaluation by the private sector, but these valuations are

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Speaker 4: reviewed by the Value of General. Now, there was a

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Speaker 4: well do you check the valuation and they say, oh no,

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Speaker 4: we just make sure that they're fit for purpose. Now

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Speaker 4: back in just before that, in about twenty twenty, without

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Speaker 4: our General's Office, we're providing evidence to the Budget and

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Speaker 4: is your role in terms of valuations for acquisition purposes?

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Speaker 4: And to my amazement, the Value of General said, the

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Speaker 4: revenues of the state, and I said, no, it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's got nothing to do with the revenues of the state.

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Speaker 4: Your role is to make a fair and accurate assessment

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Speaker 4: evaluation of the property being acquired. Now, when I read

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Speaker 4: fact that if the Value Agenda the Value of General

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Speaker 4: would have reviewed both of these valuations and has agreed

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Speaker 4: on reducing the valuation by four hundred thousand dollars. That

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Speaker 4: is absolutely outrage Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, it certainly would be the only property in Adelaide

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Speaker 1: that's come down in price, no.

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Speaker 4: Doubt about that. I can tell you. I'm currently working

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Speaker 4: on an acquisition val your evaluation on South Rolda, Ashford.

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Speaker 4: The government offered the owner more than two million dollars

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Speaker 4: for the property and I had a look at evaluation

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Speaker 4: of the Value of General have provided to the West

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Speaker 4: Times Council the rating and taxing purposes. Now there should

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Speaker 4: be some reasonable correlation between the two. Would you believe

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Speaker 4: that value a General's valuation the rating purposes is eighty

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Speaker 4: five thousand dollars? Now where would you buy a property

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Speaker 4: for that?

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Speaker 1: And it's valued one elsewhere? At two million. Yeah yeah right,

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Speaker 1: Well that tells you everything you need to know. I reckon,

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Speaker 1: John Darley, thank you very much for your time, my pleasure,

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Speaker 1: former Upper House MP and former value in general here

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Speaker 1: in South Australia