WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 25 June 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:01.960 Lately German. 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:08.479 Welcome to the Late Debate. Well, thanks for joining us 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:09.119 on the Late Debate. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.719 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and filling it again 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.400 for Caleb Bond, who's hosting The Bolt Report this week. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:16.320 Is the awesome Joe Who'll. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:16.759 Thank you, sir. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.440 Obviously I'll be filling in for Andrew Bolt next week. 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.320 I'm sure everyone will be totally cool with. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:23.840 Let's get into the show. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.200 There's a lot we've got to talk about the circuses 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.120 coming to Sydney, but the Greens want to shut it down, 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:30.840 which is a surprise to all of us because I 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.479 thought the Greens loved clowns. Plus, when we look at 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.600 what's making news in tomorrow's papers, taxes to rise in 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.000 order to pay for sewage in one of Australia's major 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.320 cities and a Northern Territory town with the most confusing 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.920 alcohol laws you've ever heard. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.720 We'll talk about all of that a little later, but first. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.280 It's not often that you see One Nation and the 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:56.080 Greens on a unity ticket, but we live in strange time. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.480 South Australian One Nation MP Sarah Game has received support 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.600 from the Greens for her proposal to light up Adelaide 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.960 monuments for Palestine. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.800 Now, I can understand the Greens calling. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.120 For monuments to be lit up to support Palestine, but 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:16.040 what on earth is a one nation politician thinking calling 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.400 for this? Sarah Game wrote to the South Australian Premiere 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.120 and in the letter she said, I would like to 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.000 see the government light up the city landmarks of Adelaide 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.679 to show respect, empathy and solidarity with the South Australian 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.720 Palestinian community, which begs the question, of course, lives what 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.440 about the South Australian Jewish community. 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:37.280 She goes on to. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.520 Say, by lighting up the city landmarks of Adelaide, you're 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.440 not only brightening the physical landscape that's wonderful, but also 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:49.440 illuminating the path toward understanding and cooperation, which of course 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.440 begs the question does it not? How do you illuminate 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.600 the path to cooperation by lighting up the city on 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.800 behalf of only one of the participants in this conflict? 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:04.240 Tell you what has been illuminated, and that's Sarah games 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.960 inability to read the room. Sarah Game has been very 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.040 good on so many issues. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:11.800 What on earth has happened to her? 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:12.080 Liz? 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.760 I think as the war wears on the war war 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:23.120 war on. People are beginning to not turn in their 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.160 opinion on this, but the reality of one side being 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.880 more powerful than the other, the reality of the death 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.160 count on either side, the reality that there are no 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:37.440 KPIs for this mission to eradicate her mass, and the 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.800 realization that in fact, for every killed killed in Palestine, 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.400 you've just created ten more Jihadis who will probably hate 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.679 Israel till they're dying death because of what has happened 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.720 in Gaza since the seventh of October. So I would 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.880 love to know her personal reasons, but I certainly know 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.679 just amongst the people that I've been talking to, it's 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.480 not that sentiment is shifting, or that people's ally ship 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:11.160 and their loyalty to Israel is changing, but certainly a 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.760 deeper awareness of what's going on in the ground in Gaza. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.440 Whereas for so long we've been able to just be like, well, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.920 we've got to eradicate her mass, but we've got to 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.799 get these hostages back, etc. And so on. I think 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.240 people nine months on are just going, well, hang on 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.840 a minute, are we ever going to be able to 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.480 eradicate her mass? Hang on a minute, do we even 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.040 know that the remaining hostages are still alive. Is this 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.320 just going to go on forever? And I think it's 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.600 genuinely a growing awareness. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.080 Is a growing awareness or is an incredible naivety that 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.520 oh gee, war is messy and people get killed and 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.680 it tends to go on for a long period of time. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.520 I should point out that the South Australian Premiere and 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.600 the Liberal Opposition have rejected Sarah Game's suggestion. Right Pauline 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.480 Hanson was asked to comment on her MP suggestion and 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.000 she declined to do so. I dare say, knowing Flen Hansen, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.280 there's a couple of discussions happening behind the scenes. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.600 She's previously said that Palestine and Hamas are one and 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:10.720 the same, so I'm. 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.000 Pretty sure she's not going to be. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.840 Backing lighting up the city of Adelaide in support of 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.560 her mass if she thinks of the same thing. I 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.520 thought that was excellent analysis, Liz, but I think this 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:19.240 actually gives. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.880 Far too much credit to Sarah Gabe. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.520 What we are seeing here is a classic example of 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.440 the far right and the far left bending around and 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.120 ending up thinking and saying and supporting the same things. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.360 This is not the first time that this has happened. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.440 In fact, I was talking to a four source of 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:41.039 minor former Green who reminded me during the bidds the boycott, 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.600 divestment and sanctions campaign against Israel many many years ago, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.120 about a decade ago, some of the crazies that this 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:50.640 attracted to the Greens campaign. 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.000 Now, this was a Greens campaign. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:58.560 It was led primarily by the mayor of Marrickville or 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.600 mayor of Leichhart, sorry I think it was who ran 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.760 for the state seat of Merrickfield who was a Greensman. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.680 They took it over and so we had a local 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.520 council doing foreign policy on the run calling for a 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.039 boycott of Israel. And the funny thing is ten years 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.920 ago when you start to go after absolutely the Greens 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.120 have been going after Israel for years and years, and 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.800 he has nothing to do with his current invasion or 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.600 attack or ground war against Gaza or whatever they want 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:21.840 to call it. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.520 They have been after forever. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.279 And who do they get showing up to one of 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.599 their little fundraisers to support their campaign against Israel But 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:37.080 a certain Holocaust denier who obviously denying the Holocaust, has 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:41.640 pretty extreme far right views and pretty extreme far right 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.720 links and this guy rocks up to their fundraiser and 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.160 he's all for it, and they're all on the same side. 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.960 So the far right and the far left end up 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:50.640 on the same side. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.720 I pick you up on that, though, aside from I'm 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.000 not sure Pauline Hanson would like to be characterized as 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.240 far right, but in. 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.560 A shame category as a Holocaust tonight. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:04.320 Game is not representing one nation policy she's going against. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:06.680 So you end up. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.840 Again, this is what happens when you drift too far 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.080 from the center of the mainstream of politics. This is 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.680 what happens. You end up going so far to the 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.000 edge that it loops around again and again. An example, 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.359 another example where they're on a unity ticket. The Greens 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.440 and people on the hard right are now fully supporting 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.480 Julian Assange, while people in the middle of are like, 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.240 hang on a minute, there's something about but if you 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.760 about this guy, they've got you know, you know, for 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.360 better or worse. But you've got Bernie Sanders supporters and 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.080 Donald Trump supporters who are all in on Julian Nossange, 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.680 which I know we're going to talk about later. So 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.960 this is a phenomenon politics. It comes up again and again. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.240 And again I don't think we can describe it as 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.720 a phenomenon and gospel truth when you've just brought up 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.200 not even a handful of examples, all involving one person. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.720 So one Holocaust denier attended this thing in Marritckville ten 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.960 years ago, and Sarah game, who's. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:58.240 The great on the greens and helments? No, no. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:05.640 Them an empire, that's Ottoman Empire joined Kaiser Wilhelm the 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:11.400 Second's World War right because of the Kais of Wilhelm's side, 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.320 a little gus, Come on, guys, you know we've got 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.560 so much in common. You know, we both I don't 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.480 know nothing the Jews. We both got to sing against 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.680 the Jews. And that was one of the little sweetness 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.880 that was part of the propaganda that the Kais Wilhem 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.640 put out there. And again, this is when Jews were 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.040 actually fighting for the Germans. So that was an even 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.960 more horrendous betrayal. But I can absolutely promise you there 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.520 is if you think there is no link, I mean 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.160 there are far right groups everywhere who are pro Palestine 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.000 because they think it will sort out the Jews. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.400 For the current lump the far right in there these days, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.760 anyone with a critical thought in their head is called 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:45.320 far right. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.560 I think, look, I understand why people vote for one 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.400 nation are attracted to it, but some of the stuff 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.520 they say, I think you could pretty much pretty easily 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.920 characterize if one nation have got again, although again it 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.840 also mixed up as well. It also joins far left 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.560 because a lot of these hard ride are far right 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.360 whatever you want to call parties, are also really anti capitalism, 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.800 anti liberal economics. So again you see this thing where 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.000 they join up with people, you know, socialist parties. That's 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.120 certainly nationalized interest, that's certainly not one nation. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.640 But whatever problems one nation might have with Sarah Game, 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.160 they are nothing compared to the problems that Anthony Albernizi 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.040 has got with his West Australian Labor senator who's crossed 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:25.080 the floor to vote in favor of Palestinian statehood despite 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.720 the fact it's still governed by a terrorist organization. And 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.000 of course news tonight many people watching would have heard 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.640 it already that the Labour Party have said there will 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.599 be no discipline of her whatsoever. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:40.800 Of course, not because we know that Albo cannot discipline 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:42.040 such a member. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.079 We know that he owned we can't discipline anybody, Andrew Giles. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.600 But this is supposed to be in the Federal Labor Party. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:56.280 This is an expulsionable, absolutely dept ground free period. That 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.120 is it. That is supposed to be game over. If 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.000 you're a Labor member and you cross the floor on 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.920 your party, you are saying goodbye. But of course in 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.880 this context the rules just don't apply, do they, Because 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.280 if you're on Elbow's side on this, he knows and 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.920 he can't lay the SmackDown because we've all seen the 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.280 footage of him at his pro Palestinian We've all we've 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.000 all had not on her side. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.120 The fact that she end well, this is the first 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:23.920 not on his side. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.760 And this is not the first time she's defied him. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.640 Mean Anthony, he says, she's not truly defying him. She 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.800 is defying the party line. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.840 Most the party line. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.679 First of all, he said, from the River to the 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.920 Sea has no place in Australia. But she repeated that phrase. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.400 Now she's gone against Labor Party policy. The big problem 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.040 for Anthey Alberanezi is she's a young woman and she's 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.800 the first Muslim in Parliament to. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.679 He needs the numbers in the Senate as well. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.280 It's not the pro for the Labour Party with diversity 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.840 picks because she's very young to have been on the 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.120 Senate ticket, but the obviously loved the fact she was 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:01.640 a Muslim. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:03.920 I think he was young, and. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.440 I think it is a problem when you when you're 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.640 not even sort of diversity piece. But yeah, this sort 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.320 of ticker box thing where we think, all right, this 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.640 will look great for our cred. You know, we've got 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.440 someone in a hijab. You know, this will get them 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.920 voted in on a diversity So yeah, I think I 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.679 think that is a problem. And I think there is 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.120 a problem also with the Labor Party not really knowing 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.319 what it stands for, where it stands on this issue 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.400 and what it actually stands for, not having a clearly. 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.080 Thought out policy. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.040 I think it was caught blindsided by October seven in 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.400 much the same way Israel itself was, and it hadn't 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:37.199 actually worked out. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.120 We just discussed last night. They went all that blind side. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:45.280 No, no, that's right, the tops were. But yeah, clearly clearly 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.600 Labor like I mean, if you looked at the hawk 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.920 Keating days and even you know, even Bob Carr when 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.559 he was actually in government. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.679 Before he sort of switched sides after. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.160 In retirement, Labor was very very clearly pro Israel. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:00.800 Labor was very very earlier friend of his eye. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.840 There's no equivocation about you's absolute right to exist and 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.560 defend itself. And since then the character of you know, 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.880 when labor's in opposition for a long time, it tends 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.600 to drift off to the left, it tends to become 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.840 a party of protests in to the party of practice. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.040 Well, you always do this. You're like, there's two labor parties. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.800 When the fight's in charge, they get everything right and 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.760 they're amazing. It's only when the left's in charge then. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.719 It all looks that's why it's all gone to rubbish. Now, 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.880 look a look at how Chris Mins has responded compared 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.080 to Albo's response. Look how Peter Malnowskus has responded compared 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.560 to the federal government's response. It's right there in front 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.360 of you for everyone to see. This is not just 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.680 me saying it. This is happening in real life. This 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.000 is happening right now, like you've got people around it. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:45.880 Your colleagues are saying it. On the right of saying 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:47.800 a praising Chris Mins for his strong stands. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:49.800 So yes, well, certainly not. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.679 And I'm on the right, So how about that and 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.600 his strong stands? What has he done except for a 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.040 pile of empty The. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.320 Jewish community would say that he's been very good and. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.760 He has not named me one thing that he's done, 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.280 namely one thing that he's done. He's said all the 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.520 right things, but he's done absolutely. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.880 Jewish community members I've spoken to are very appreciative of 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:12.319 Chris minsro Well. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.480 I'm happy for them to be glad of it, but 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.640 I don't see his support. I'm sorry. Everyone else is 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.280 nothing but lip service to Queensland. Now where a petition 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:26.880 of over three thousand, six hundred people requesting, hey, you 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.440 know all that health advice that you use to lock 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:34.080 us down, treat us like animals, mandate jabs, so end businesses, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.200 lockdown schools, et cetera, and so on, can we please 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.480 see some of that has been given a flat no 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:46.760 by the Queensland government. Oh quote Health Minister Shannon Fentaman, 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.200 famously the woman who doesn't know what a woman is, 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.360 she says, Queensland's Chief Health officer issued to public health 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.400 directions to manage the spread of COVID nineteen throughout the community, 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.880 including requirements for COVID nineteen vaccination. You can already tell 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.920 this is just going to be an empty word, salad, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.760 But I digress. In making these public health directions, the 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.760 Chief Health Officer relied on advice from a variety of sources. Specifically, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:17.760 the Chief Health Officer met daily with doctors, epidemiologists, infectious 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.600 diseases specialists, and public health experts about COVID nineteen and 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:27.480 the extraordinary and emergency measures necessary to protect public health. 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.280 Thank you for the extensive words, salad lady. Of course, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.680 what she's really saying is, how about we give you 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:40.199 nothing and you shut up and take it. We know 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.000 that we'd shut you down for months on end. We 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.920 know that businesses hit the walls. We know that kids 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.760 didn't get to school, people didn't get to say goodbye 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.440 to their dying relatives, and we forced you, unless you 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.400 wanted to lose your job, to get a job. Still 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.239 in trial phases, the list goes on, the social distancing, 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.480 the mandate tree masking. But no, no, where. We don't 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.720 know you anything. It's not like we work for you. 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.920 It's not like we live on the taxpayer dime. It's 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.240 not like we were elected to represent you, and almost 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.160 four thousand of you have just told us, Hey, we'd 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.960 really like to see some answers. How about an email chain? 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:20.760 How about what. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.600 I think this confirms what we've sort of already know 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.520 and what Faucci basically said, which is that they were 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.400 sort of making it up as they went along. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.480 Yeah, zero, a little. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.160 Huddle and say all right, what new measure we're going 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:33.920 to introduce now? And some of this you can understand. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.040 And again I can understand if something new. You are 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.400 making decisions on the fly, you don't necessarily always. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:39.680 I think you can still. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.560 Show people that the problem made Joe, how were those interesting? 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.680 They showed all the email trawels of the hotel quarantine, 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.000 and again it was just such a missmash of all 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:49.440 these people ducking responsible. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.520 Can we go back to show us that, go. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.640 Back to show us that, show us how much of 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.800 a crap show it was that you arrived at these things? 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:58.160 Go millions of people. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.360 Go back to what you very accurately just rib as 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:01.000 a word seller. 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.880 But in the salad there is a little morsel of 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:05.640 information there. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:06.120 She says. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:11.880 They relied on quote advice from a variety of sources. Now, 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.880 I think when we had these daily press conferences where 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.680 they said, you know, only ten people will be able 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:20.200 to attend a graveside funeral because the health advice is 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.840 when they said that, you know, it's better to drink 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.920 and be a standing up than sitting down with a 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:25.480 health advice. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:26.080 Health advice. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.920 We all listen to that and we assume, well, there. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.440 Must be a piece of paper somewhere where someone studiously, 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:35.160 but now you here it is advice from a variety 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.960 of sources, which actually means the decisions were made by everybody, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.960 which means nobody can hold anybody responsible. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.680 That's essentially what they're But the least that you. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.400 Owe people is just being like, okay, So in terms 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.600 of shutting down the schools, here's the people who are 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:52.720 involved in that decision. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.640 With so many people they can't nominate who. It was 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:56.760 a general vibe. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:58.880 I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:00.920 was involved in the shutting down schools. And again I 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.920 remember it like it was yesterday. Anastagia Palichet held a 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.800 press commons do a great credit and said schools in 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.160 Queensland will remain open. The Queensland Teachers Union then had 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:12.760 to stop work meeting the next day and the day 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.200 after and Stagia Palasa say, actually, schools are. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:16.760 Going to be closed. That was the medical advice. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.800 It was a teacher's stop work meeting, so that teachers 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:20.760 union stop work meeting. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.880 We'll speaking around so close did she say on medical advice. 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.240 This is hot? It was just I'm not sure if 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.200 she even had a coach to read it. But I'd written 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.280 this and said it time and time and time again. 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.120 And this is why there was such little faith in 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.600 so many public health matters, because it was clearly being 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.760 dictated for political purposes, and it was clearly being done 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:41.200 on the fly. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.240 And again let's combine those two things, the unions and 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.360 on the fly. Have a look at this vision from 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.040 September twenty twenty where unions paid for are planing to 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.040 fly across Brisbane showing a sign that says we are 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.920 safe because she is strong talk about doing things on 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.240 the fly. That was literal, and it was what did 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.800 clear What the strategy was, wasn't it? It was to 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:07.120 listen to all the advice that was maccaron and that 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.840 by rendso the fear they would win the next lection, which. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.200 Unbelievable to me, that a this many people just went 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.520 along with the narrative, props to the people who were 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.760 just like, I don't believe you, and now allow them 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.159 to duck accountability. You don't get to do that. This 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.560 reminds me of the UK inquiry into all this. In January, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.120 it was revealed that the chief health officer in Scotland 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:37.240 got him and his entire team, including Nicolas Sturgeon, the 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.520 first Minister of Scotland at the time, to daily delete 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.760 their WhatsApps. What does that tell you the disdain with 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.920 which these elites treated their people during that period and 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:55.160 continue to by being like, aha, deleted it all. Zero accountability. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.520 Can't even read you what we said to each other 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:02.840 or how we arrived at these conclusions that literally destroyed 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.080 the human rights of millions of people in our country. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.000 Oh well, just too bad. We don't have, as Fentimen says, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.560 or we don't have a truncated version of the advice. 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:15.320 For any We don't have one. 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:17.680 Don't there is there. 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.040 It's because when they said they were following health advice, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.000 we assumed they were consulting medical doctors. They actually meant 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.320 spin doctors. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.439 Well, they in Victoria, they actually were in Victoria. 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.560 They did research to find out how the messaging was 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:32.399 being received and. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.160 Was all based on it. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.520 It was staggering and it was and there was just 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.639 a complete lack of reasonableness as well, and you know, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.080 and I think in some cases that provoked equally unreasonable responses. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.680 But you know, the idea that you know, and again 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.800 I can understand people saying, look, we don't know about 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.520 this sort of thing, but it's probably best if you 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.080 stay more than spitting distance away from someone. But the 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.639 idea then that you would have this absolute, hard and 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.439 fast enforcement of these kind of vague guidelines that you 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.400 think might work but you're not entirely sure, and they're 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.000 not basedly but anyone who breaches them would then be 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.600 met with the full force of the law or publicly 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.480 shamed into being a granny killer. That I think is 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.600 the real problem. And I think that says almost as 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.640 much about this really nasty mob mentality that can so 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:17.119 easily be unleashed in people by a strong sort of 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:22.400 popping deliberately, Joe, they reorganize the. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.840 Peer and we saw people turn against good people. That 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.000 was more frightening than almost anything else. But to a 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.479