WEBVTT - Sharri | 30 May 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.480 Life Sharry. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.240 Good Evening, We'll just sent to Ardern was a darling 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.880 of the left and it was a big political story 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.680 when she demanded that Scott Morrison stopped sending criminals at 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:20.040 a Nes to New Zealand, even though they were technically 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.600 Kiwi citizens. Ardurn gave Morrison, who was Prime Minister at 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.560 the time, a public rebuke. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.720 It was a move the media lapped up. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.800 New Zealand Prime Minister j Cinda Adern has lashed out 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:38.280 at Scott Morrison over his criminal deportation policy. She claims 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.680 it's testing the friendship, but Scott Morrison won't back down, 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.320 saying non citizens who break the law should return to 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:46.480 their home country. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.600 This is corrosive to our relationship. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.120 Scott Morrison, cops and ur dern Burn. 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.520 Do not deport your people and your problems. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.120 Once you've done your time, we send you home. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.800 Well in to The Coalition at the time had sent 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.679 twoy six hundred criminals back to New Zealand since twenty sixteen. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.920 The Coalition's policy was that if there's a criminal migrant, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.600 say a murderer or a child rapist, and there are 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.319 a citizen of another country, well then they should be 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.520 deported to that country. Adurn argued that some of the 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.200 criminals had lived in Australia all their life, they had 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:31.399 ties to our country, and she used that excuse to 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.520 say that she didn't want the hardened thugs back in 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:35.160 New Zealand. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.080 It was a clear point of friction. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.200 May we look forward to better times a hit. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.000 And those better times for New Zealand at least came 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:51.000 with Albanesi. Albanesi, in his quest to appease the popular 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:55.960 female Prime Minister, capitulated to her request. He did this 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.400 even though it wasn't in Australia's national security interests and 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.800 in fact it posed a detriment to public safety. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.880 Prime Minister Adurn has certainly not been backward in raising 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.239 these issues. I can assure you from our very first meeting. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:18.119 Where you have a circumstance where someone has lived their 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:23.200 entire life effectively in Australia with no connection whatsoever to 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.079 New Zealand, then common sense should apply and we'll act 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.280 as friends and we'll work through those issues in a 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:31.240 common sense way. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.200 And this is exactly what we have asked of Australia. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.360 We acknowledge that Australia will continue to deport as New 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.720 Zealand currently does have provision and does deport those who 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.440 don't have long term connection to New Zealand. What we've 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.640 been seeking is common sense and the spirit of friendship 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.200 and that's what Prome Minus to Albin Easi's spoken to today. 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.120 Well, one person's common sense is another person's well, I 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.560 won't say what. And so it is that Albert Easy 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:05.320 weakened Australia's imigration policy to appease Jasciner. Ardern, the Prime Minister, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.799 is ultimately responsible for the flawed Ministerial Direction ninety nine 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:16.000 and it's meant that murderers, child rapists, thugs and con 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.360 artists who have ties to Australia would have been allowed 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.880 to stay here instead of being deported as they should 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:28.679 have been because they're not Australian citizens. It has exposed 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.280 the community to a serious risk of harm from criminals 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.560 who aren't Australians and shouldn't be here if they're going 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:40.440 to repeatedly break the law. The latest example of a 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.400 savage attack was by a violent detainee and this was 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.240 exposed by Mark Riley just last night. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.560 Seven News can reveal that as mister Charles was defending himself. Yesterday, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.560 yet another violent foreign criminals visa was being reinstated by 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.320 the Ministry of Appeals Tribunal in Melbourne, this time Indian 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.720 born Gulprit Singh on parole after serving six years for 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:10.200 what the judge called a ferocious and terrifying bashing in Geelong, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.200 leaving his victim close to death. The AAT overturning the 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:19.280 decision to pull his visa, finding under mister Giles, Direction 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:23.960 ninety nine sings ties to Australia weighed strongly in his 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.080 favor well. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.920 As political editor Simon Benson wrote today, Ministerial Direction ninety 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.360 nine was a disaster from the day of its ill 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.640 conceived inception. He wrote that it goes to the heart 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:42.240 of the ideological revision of immigration policy under Labor and 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:47.160 the poor decision making by cabinet ministers. Andrew Giles today, 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:51.839 finally forced out of hiding to front the cameras, he 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:56.479 obviously can't blame his boss, Albin Easy in these media interviews, 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.640 so trying to hold onto his job, he shifted the 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:04.120 blame to his department, claiming there were no red flags, 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.480 no warnings that anything would be a miss with Direction 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.600 ninety nine, but. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.800 Just to clarify when the Department war gained with you 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:18.040 Direction ninety nine, that it did not give you forewarning 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.159 that some of these serious cases that you wanted to 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.680 see individuals deported, that they would be overturned. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.920 The intent of Ministeral Direction ninety nine and the work 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.800 that was done in preparing it did not indicate that 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.080 these sort of serious crimes would be affected. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.520 But is this entirely accurate? 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.680 Were documents tabled in Senate estimates show that Giles was 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.360 want that there would be a reduction in the number 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.000 of counseled visas, so that means a reduction in the 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:50.840 number of people deported. It says the Department anticipates around 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:55.600 twenty eight hundred cases will need to be renotified. There 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.160 will be a significant reduction in the number of cancelation, 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:04.200 refine usal of revocation decisions finalized in the first few 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:09.120 months of the commencement of the Ministerial Direction ninety nine. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.200 So it seems Giles and did have a warning that 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:17.920 people identified for deportation for serious reasons would now remain 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:22.160 in our country. Where Albinizi has been forced into a 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:26.799 humiliating backflip that he'll now have to reverse this direction 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.120 ninety nine. Now, this is a massive admission that he 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.760 was wrong to capitulate to justinter Arderne and. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:40.040 The only effective way of ensuring that tribunal members are 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:44.520 making better decisions is to issue a new revised direction, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.880 which the Minister will be doing. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.880 Blaming the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. So it doesn't seem like 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:58.360 Albinizi is going to take any responsibility himself for this incompetence, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.000 or he can't blame Andrew Giles because it was his 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.120 own decision as Prime Minister in a bid to win 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.080 the popularity of a left wing government in New Zealand 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:14.240 that has put our country in this position. This is 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:21.040 classic Albertezi, pushing ahead with ideologically motivated policies that undermine 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:26.920 national security and seriously impact on community safety. It's yet 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:32.280 another example of a week leader not across the detail. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.280 Now coming up on the show tonight, Albertezi snubs former 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.280 Labor Senator Nova Paris. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:42.720 The footage of. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.960 That moment I'll show you shortly. Also in Battled nine, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.160 chief executive Mike Sneesby hangs on to his job after 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:54.040 a multi hour crisis meeting. Today, I'll have the Latest 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:58.320 with media writer Sophie Ellsworth, plus the Sydney University professor 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.880 caught on tape telling students that the sexual violence on 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:07.960 October seven was a media hoax. Liberal MP Julian Lisa 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.320 would join me a bit later, and he's still a 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.160 free man for now. But will Donald Trump be the 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.800 first former president convicted of a crime. We'll speak to 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.680 Annalise Nilsen in Washington later in the show, but first 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.040 let's bring it now. Tonight's panel Perth mayor Basil Zempleis 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.000 and Sky News host James Morrow. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.400 Welcome to you both. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.720 Look, James, this evening, this latest immigration scandal looks to 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.320 have been the Prime. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.360 Minister's own fault. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.400 He can't blame anyone else for it. He can't sack 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.840 Andrew Giles for his own poor decision here. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.760 Well yeah, and it's starting to look like he, the 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.760 Prime Minister, should have sacked Giles days ago, not weeks ago, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.360 when this all started to come out. But now you know, 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.600 he's tied to it. He's tied to his feet and 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.640 this problem just keeps getting worse. You know. The really 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.680 interesting thing to be here too is the constant attempts 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.520 to deflect. You know, clearly the Immigration Minister and the 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.800 Prime Minister staff have all been you know, furiously beavering 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.920 away on aust Lee trying to find decisions where people 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.240 were allowed to stay under the Dutton regime, and of course, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.240 you know when he was Immigration minister, and of course 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:23.160 this is just distraction, just as it's distraction to say that, oh, well, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.199 it's the tribunal's fault, but of course it's the tribunal 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:27.920 that's following the government's directions. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:28.160 Here. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.040 This all comes back to the government, and the government 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:36.439 seems to be trying to evade responsibility for this every 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.240 step of the way. Sharon, I know Albertiz he wants 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:40.920 to be loyal to Giles, he wants to keep him around. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.880 He doesn't want to lose a minister during his first term. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.680 It's kind of a point of honor with him. But 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.000 this is just you know, it's really the government is 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:54.080 bleeding very heavily on this. Border security is something that's 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.520 such a key issue and the number of times we've 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.000 seen labor government's come a cropper in the past because 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.960 the field on borders. He should take the lesson. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.719 No exactly and basil just the thought I mean, I'm 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.080 sure a lot of people would be sitting at home saying, 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:14.720 how can the Prime Minister no less jeopardize our entire 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.800 national security for the sake of getting in the good 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.640 books of just into Ardern. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.160 Well, there's two good books that he's tried to climb into. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.520 He's trying to hang on to, or cling to the 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.720 friendship with Andrew Giles. He has been overly generous and 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.080 respectful of that friendship. He should have, at the first 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.960 opportunity taken the tough decision that everyone in Australia would 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.800 have accepted and understood, whether their mates or not. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.920 Giles was responsible. 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.960 Now we learn, of course, because of that tough action 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.000 not being taken that actually it was that friendship to 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.000 just Cinder r durn or pandering to just cinder our 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.120 Dern that's got us all in this fine mess in 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.160 the first place. The Prime Minister is there to make 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.160 tough decisions, not to try and be everybody's mate. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.080 And if ever you need an example of what. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.760 Leadership should look like as opposed to what leadership shouldn't 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:14.319 look like. 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.280 This is the example of it. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.480 This is a horrendous bungle and Direction ninety nine is 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.200 all down to the Prime Minister and down to the 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.600 Prime Minister, trying to be mates with people. That's not 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:28.480 the way to lead. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.560 Look, I think you're right, Basil, because it's this trying 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.360 to be mates with everyone. That's why he gets accused 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.840 of speaking out of both sides of his mouth, and 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.640 then he ends up being mates with no one because 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.280 he never has conviction. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:43.880 He doesn't show leadership. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.720 Just make the tough that we all know Jiles should 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.720 have gone. Somebody held had to be held accountable, whether 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:50.800 you're good mates or not. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.800 We've seen lots of leaders over many years, in lots 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.880 of different governments take this difficult decision because it releases 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.080 the pressure on your team. He had the chance to 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.880 do it. He knows he should have done it. Everyone 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.679 excepts it should have happened, but he didn't do it. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.319 And you use the word accountability and no, Remember Anthony 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.440 Alberzi promised there'd be transparency, there'd be accountability. That's why 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.880 he set up the Corruption Commission. He promised there'd be accountability. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.840 And yet what we're seeing here is you've got a 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:28.320 grandmother in Perth who was bashed allegedly by one of 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:29.520 these released detainees. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:31.080 And there is no accountability. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.160 He wants to protect the minister rather than actually say 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:35.280 this has got to stop. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:37.120 Now look at this. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.880 Now a lot of people who watch this show love 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.920 nov Paris. Well, this is quite bizarre because Anthony Alberzi 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.199 appears to have snubbed her in Parliament today. Now she's 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.360 a former Labor senator, she's an Olympian and you think 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.720 he would have at least acknowledged her presence, but instead 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.600 he turns the other way while Peter Dutton does acknowledge her. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.640 Have a look, BEFO, I call the Honorable Member of 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:09.200 just acknowledge in the gallery today is former Olympic gold 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.439 midalist and almost editor from the Northern Territory. No, but Paris, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.640 oam welcome to Parliament. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.600 I mean, James, look, unless there's some explanation that we 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.520 don't know about here. And I have put in a 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.000 question to the Prime Minister's office to say, is there 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.000 a backstory? What happened? Did he know she was there? 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.959 Did he see her at any other point? I haven't 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.600 heard back from them yet, But you know, James, that 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.920 did look like a pretty bad snub. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.000 Well it did, and you know you have to when 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.080 you see these sorts of things be a little bit forgiving, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.120 because of course politicians on both sides sometimes have things 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.600 that don't look great on camera, you know, I mean, 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.960 this is a sort of gotcha gabe that gets got 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.120 played with Tony Abbot has been played with, you know, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:59.040 liberal prime ministers throughout history. But it does not look good, 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:04.040 especially because no Paris has been so forthright in calling 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.680 out the anti Semitism problem of Labour's problem in that regard, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.600 and Albanizy, as you said in your previous statement, there, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.760 you know, he's not leading. He's being led by these 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.720 different sort of groups, you know, the Left, the Greens, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.320 and nobody really quite knows who's in charge. And you 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.040 almost sort of worry was he afraid to just you know, 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.960 give her a nod of acknowledgment because of her position, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.720 and that this would wind up causing him trouble with 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.200 his left flank, which of course he has so much 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.640 trouble with and which is increasingly being seen to be 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.720 dictating the government's policy on Israel, the Middle East. Gaza 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.440 Hamas look. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.840 Unless he met her at another occasion in parliament to me, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.280 the Speaker says, let's welcome former Senator Nova Paris. Peter 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:56.400 Dutton turns waves and Albenezi turns swivels his chair to 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.160 look the other way. I mean, Basil, she's a highly 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.560 respected Australian, a former Olympian. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.000 Why not just be polite. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.040 Well, yes, I accept everything that you've said, But for me, 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.920 the tribunal that's sitting here in sufficient evidence to find 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:16.400 the Prime Minister guilty on this one. Also for the record, 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.520 for the speaker's benefit, it's not former Olympic gold medalist. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.600 Once an Olympic gold medalist, always an Olympic gold medalist. 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.280 Look, we don't know enough. I'll be interested to here. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.800 What office says we need a correction in the correct. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.520 The vision didn't the vision didn't look great. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.240 However, I don't think we can hang the PM just 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.600 on what we've seen. We don't know what took place 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.600 around it. So not guilty for now. 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.200 You know what, We need to do more investigation to 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.760 see if this was a genuine snub, and if it was, 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.960 we will return to this topic next week and then 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.200 we can hold the PM. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.400 To account even sougher than we just had to read 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.680 now Duras in the Donald Chuck trial. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.760 We'll return to a New York court house for their 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.880 second day of deliberations. They of course, failed to arrive 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.560 at a verdict on Wednesday. James, you follow US politics 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.840 very closely. You are the host of the US Report 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.080 here on Sky News. How do you expect this will 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:09.600 play out? 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.040 Well, you know, it's the longer that we wait to 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.080 get a jury result here, the more likely we have 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.040 a hung jury, you know, where they can't come to 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.600 a decision. So it indicates to me the longer this 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.840 goes on that there's at least one person in that 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.160 jury roup who say, hang on a second. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:27.520 Here. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.440 This is a very tendentious case that's been brought, and 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.120 it really does have all the hallmarks of a stitch 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.960 up between the judge, the judge's instruction, the way the 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:43.000 case has been managed, the very novel legal theory which 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:48.560 has turned a misdemeanor bookkeeping error into thirty four election felonies, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.440 which is amazing given that you know, hush moneys have 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.120 been paid, you know, all over the place by parties 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.200 of both stripes in the past, and you know these 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.160 sorts of things are often dealt with in one way 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.160 or another. This is a really ridiculous and tendentious case 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.000 that they're bringing. I think that this will wind up 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.399 being a hung jury. I don't think they're going to 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.679 wind up getting the guilty simply because to get twelve 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.280 people to vote to make Donald Trump a felon, which 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.439 is what Democrats wants. They can hang that around his 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.760 neck for the wholecoming campaign. I don't think it's going 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.000 to happen, and in fact, actually, to be honest, I 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.200 don't think the Democrats should want it to happen, because 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.080 it'll make them look really bad. These things will blow 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.840 up in their faces tremendously. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.320 Mark my word, Sherry, what do you think, Basil? 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:39.480 I mean, will be difficult for a jury to arrive 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.080 at a verdict. I thought I saw some reporting saying 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.239 that he might be able to be convicted even if 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.400 it wasn't a unanimous decision. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:50.280 Basil, what do you think is going to happen? 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.879 I obviously have not sat through all of the hearing 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.120 and haven't heard all of the evidence presented, but I 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.359 turn from what I've seen and read, I think that 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.720 a guilty verdict is going to be a stretch. I 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.320 also think, from what we've seen, even a guilty verdict, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:12.359 although that appears highly unlikely. It may well mobilize the 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.960 base that he is very very keen to be able 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.119 to mobilize when it comes to election time. So it 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.080 is a worry for him and what we've said, sorry, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.280 it is a worry for the Democrats and what we've 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.040 seen time and time and time again from the other 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.560 side of the world. It doesn't matter what Trump's done, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.280 what seems to have said, what he has been accused 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:38.199 of doing, his standing with enough of the American people 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.360 has never fallen away, and I wouldn't be surprised if 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.360 the same thing happens here again. I think he's going 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.800 to get through this, as he seems to get through 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.720 every one of these things that comes his way. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.840 I mean, I think it's potentially that scandal is so 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.800 closely associated with his image anyway, that it almost doesn't 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.880 matter what revelation comes out about him, people just go, oh, yeah, 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:03.360 another Donald Trump scandal. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:04.520 What did we expect? 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.160 James Mara, We've heard all that language that he used 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.720 just before last time's election, and somehow he still got through. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.800 So I'm not saying it's right, but we've seen a 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.680 patent he can get past that, that's for sure. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.960 Yeah, indeed, you know, it's almost the equivalent of Joe Biden. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.560 It doesn't matter how many gaffes he makes. It doesn't 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.800 know no matter how many incoherent sentences that he utters. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:31.520 People. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.120 You know, they kind of know that he's old, they 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.080 know that he struggles, and they've accepted it. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:38.280 It's kind of maybe. 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:39.280 It's gonna be a great election. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.440 Each other out all right, James Mara, buzzil Zemplers, thank 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.680 you both so much. Now, coming up yet another disgraceful 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.080 display of left bias from the ABC. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.040 It tries to explain its way out of. 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:56.560 Its political editors comments on racism, and nine's chief executive 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.480 Mike Sneezebey holds on to his job after crisis board 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:01.200 meetings today. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.320 Sophie Ellsworth will join me next. 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.920 Welcome back for nine Chief executive Mike Sneezebe has kept 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.760 his job well for now, at least, after he survived 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:19.920 a marathon crisis board meeting today. Emerging from the meeting, 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:24.080 all nine staff will have to undertake refreshed sexual harassment 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.760 prevention training over the next month. There'll also be a 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.520 dedicated hotline to report inappropriate behavior, and this will be 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:32.760 made available to all employees. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.240 After the meeting that's said to have lasted. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:40.359 For more than three hours, Mike sneezeby Peter Costello, the 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.960 chair and HR chief Vanessa Morley reportedly told staff that 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.040 the conversations we've had in recent days have made it 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.360 clear that we need to accelerate the work we are 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.880 doing to build a culture of respect and trust. Now 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:59.800 it's been a long fortnite for nine. Entertainment company with 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.520 US reported last Monday that Darren Wick, their former head 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.919 of news, had an alleged history of sexual harassment. Allegations 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:13.199 against him including groping on air presenters while intoxicated, and 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.480 along with the sexual harassment, there were also allegations of 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.480 a toxic culture where women were frozen out, with darren 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:26.120 Wick allegedly refusing to engage with them or return their cause. Meanwhile, 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:30.199 there were senior executives like Victoria Buchan who had We 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.720 reported they'd become aware of some of the allegations of 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:38.639 inappropriate behavior, and yet Darren Wick kept his job. We 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:42.679 also reported that one high profile television presenter spoke to 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.879 a current board director about the culture at nine, including 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:52.800 damaging leaks designed to force talent into submission. During contract negotiations. 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.800 Despite the presenter and her lawyer speaking with the director, 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:01.040 it wasn't raised at the board level and not claimed. 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:02.760 It wasn't a bored matter. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.760 Mike Sneezbey is under increased pressure amid the ongoing crisis. 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:10.560 He was forced to fly home from an overseas trip 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.960 celebrating his fiftieth to front the newsroom or to discuss 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.800 this scandal and how it plays out, because it's not over. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.080 The Australians media writers Sophie Elsworth joins me now and Sophie, 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:26.160 you're reporting on this has been excellent, so we're grateful 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.840 for your time tonight. What do we know about what 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:30.800 happened at today's board meeting? 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.679 Well, likewise to you too, Sharry, reporting on this whole 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.840 saga that's in Gulf nine. Look as you said, it 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:44.920 was a pretty lengthy board meeting. It appears that Peter 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:49.920 Costello and Mike Sneezeby have appeased the nine board for now. 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.760 But Sharry, this could well be the calm before the storm. 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:58.240 Because Mike Sneezebey, he's got his very own newspapers writing 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:02.480 incredibly critical articles that look like they are being planted 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:06.280 against him, and this is a disaster that is not 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:07.159 going away. 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.360 Now. They have announced they're doing an independent review. 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:14.680