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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land Always was, always

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Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Chicks, I'm sal and this

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Speaker 1: is Two Broke Chicks, the show that shares life lessons

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Speaker 1: and tips to help make you rich in life. And

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Speaker 1: today we are joined by Zoe Foster Blake, author, entrepreneur

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Speaker 1: and founder of Go to Skincare. Today we're talking about

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Speaker 1: how to actually practice being present, business mistakes that led

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Speaker 1: to big life lessons, and why telling ourselves things will

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Speaker 1: calm down soon is the biggest lie ever.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the shows.

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Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to be here. Thank you, ladies.

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Speaker 1: We were so excited. We were saying before that we

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Speaker 1: were really cool about it, and I do believe the

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Speaker 1: words I'm obsessed with you came out of one of

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Speaker 1: our mouths, not me maybe, but yeah, so we played

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Speaker 1: it really cool guys. But yeah, we're so excited.

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Speaker 2: But before we.

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Speaker 1: Jump into the questions, we always start off with our

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Speaker 1: life lesson of the week, So would you like to

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Speaker 1: kick us off like ash and my gosh.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, You've got me at the tail end of

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Speaker 3: a week in a health retreat and so I'm being

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Speaker 3: bundled up and sent out into the noisy world. So

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Speaker 3: my answers will probably be woo woo. But I've spent

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Speaker 3: a week in nature with my mother and sister, and

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Speaker 3: you just don't do that as you get older, there's

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Speaker 3: always children and work and partners and so on. So

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Speaker 3: just to lock into the feminine energy, shall we say,

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Speaker 3: in my family was very special for a week, and

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Speaker 3: I regret not doing it more of film.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. I think I need to I need

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Speaker 1: to take that life lesson and apply it to myself,

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Speaker 1: because my life lesson of the week was sometimes the

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Speaker 1: crash out is necessary and because one we're in a

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Speaker 1: lure toal phase, which fuck that bitch, dude, I'm in

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Speaker 1: the first day of my period. Yeah, so you're like,

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Speaker 1: you're getting out of it.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, I'll be like, have a release. Esterday, I'm like, and.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday was just one of those days, like every message

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Speaker 1: to fix something, you gotta do something. And then the

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Speaker 1: last straw was like me filming a video and then

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Speaker 1: posted it and it was blurry and the like, the

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Speaker 1: reaction did not correlate equally.

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Speaker 2: With the with the crime.

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Speaker 1: I threw my phone, I started crying and I was like,

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Speaker 1: nothing goes right. I'm texting sal who's literally like so busy,

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Speaker 1: being like fucking hate, like full blown tantrum. And then

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Speaker 1: will have those moments been like, oh, you know, like

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Speaker 1: works not everything and this isn't that, And I think

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Speaker 1: that's so valid, But sometimes you just need to have

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Speaker 1: a screaming fit and a good cry and like hate

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Speaker 2: Maybe like twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: And then I came back and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: who's that day?

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Speaker 2: Oh it's crazy? Yeah, yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes a crash out as necessary. But then the thing

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Speaker 1: of what I'm like, I need to just re center

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Speaker 1: a little bit on what you're saying as well, Zoe,

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Speaker 1: was it was like a sound from the movie Eternal Sun,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, would I rather have that comment

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Speaker 1: and like, would I rather have that really annoying thing

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Speaker 1: amazing friends I have around me, and every time I

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Speaker 1: rather have the main comment and still have you know

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Speaker 1: what I've got, rather than lose that and not have that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, focus on the positive, yeah, which I know, like.

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Speaker 1: Potentially borderline toxic positivity that I'm not like trying to

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Speaker 1: like say that, No, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: I'm that's so happy.

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Speaker 1: I love when people are mean to me online.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's important to have the crash out and

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 1: My life lesson is shifting gears here hit me, and

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Speaker 1: it's that I learned this on the way here today

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Speaker 1: this morning. The first lesson is that there is going

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Speaker 1: to be a biopic about the band Kiss.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that was happening. I love Kiss.

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Speaker 1: I did not know this was happening. But there's also

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Speaker 1: the thing that I learned this morning is that who

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Speaker 1: do you think is playing Paul Stanley, the front man

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Speaker 1: of Kiss. I'm going to be so real with you.

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Speaker 1: They all are the same man to me, the.

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Speaker 3: One with the stars.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't even know that the one with the

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Speaker 1: one out because there's like, you know, the seven flavors

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Speaker 1: of the Internet's Boyfriend. I'm going to throw out Jacob Lordie.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, they do everything.

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Speaker 2: It's Nick Jonas.

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Speaker 1: What Nick Jonas is playing Paul Stanley from Kiss?

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Speaker 2: And he will be singing. I am so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, no one else has been cast.

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Speaker 1: It's Kevin Jonas brothers die, and then the fourth one,

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Speaker 1: the cat who's the one that everybody forgets about, will be.

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Speaker 2: Their little brother. Surely, yes, gotta be that. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: Now we've got our really equally philosophical life lessons out

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Speaker 1: of the way, let's jump into the questions. Okay. In

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Speaker 1: our first segment, we're gonna talk calm, career and chaos.

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Speaker 1: We kind of alluded to the quote and also the

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Speaker 1: name of your book, things will calm down soon, And

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Speaker 1: You know? And with everything you know? That's it? Actually,

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Speaker 4: Like with everything you've built, I mean, books, beauty brands, babies,

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Speaker 4: how do you find calm when chaos feels like constant

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Speaker 3: Great question, and I don't have a perfect answer, and

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Speaker 3: it definitely evolves. But the first thing I do if

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Speaker 3: something online is usually a big trigger because it's public

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Speaker 3: to not have a phone with me, put that away

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Speaker 3: and get into nature. That's usually my first protocol. And

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Speaker 3: a walk can fix most things, and a sleep can

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Speaker 2: Like that we're all.

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Speaker 3: Hierarchy, yeah, one hundred percent. And having a good talk

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Speaker 3: And also I would say sleep is I can handle

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Speaker 3: everything is hard and I'm a lot more vulnerable to

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Speaker 3: I'm not perfect like you are, Like it definitely wig

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Speaker 1: I like that because as well, it's like it's not

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Speaker 1: you don't just find one fix and go ook done. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm never going to crash out. Things are going to

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Speaker 1: be calm forever. Now. It's like finding the process and

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Speaker 3: Also, I am also kind of okay with things not

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Speaker 3: being calm. It's how I function best, and that might

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Speaker 3: So make time for your work, make time for your family,

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Speaker 3: and also to take back the agency and go. Things

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Speaker 3: toxic positivity, it's not going everything's fine always, it's going,

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Speaker 3: Shit's gonna get real. What are my coping mechanisms? How

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Speaker 3: Because you know, being like again, the irrational responses. I'm

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Speaker 1: Or relatable And I think that's a good way to

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Speaker 1: Having a super busy step isn't always a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: And something that we're constantly told is that we need

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Speaker 1: to be present. But that can be really bad when

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Speaker 1: you are somebody who is really productive and career oriented

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Speaker 1: How do you actually practice being present rather than just

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Speaker 3: It's a great question because I think intellectually academically, socially,

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Speaker 3: we are aware of that threat of being present all

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Speaker 3: rebel and reject and not do that and avoidance. No thanks.

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Speaker 3: So I am bad at being present. I will own

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Speaker 2: To learn from our twenties or really any age.

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Speaker 1: And you also wrote Breakup Boss, a bible for navigating heartbreak.

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Speaker 1: literally my friend dropped it over and were like, hope

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Speaker 1: this helps, And then when a friend went through a

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Speaker 3: I hear this a lot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where it is now, probably out there.

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Speaker 1: I wish we all like signed it.

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Speaker 2: I wish I should have.

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Speaker 3: If we ever reprinted, I'm going to put that in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, being like past this to someone else and yeah,

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Speaker 1: the wonderful people that have been like.

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Speaker 1: So what is one thing that you wish more women

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Speaker 3: you can control. And one of the real hope key

437
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 3: lessons or little thoughts through that book is that you

438
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 3: can't control somebody else. And I think when we're trying

439
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: to academically understand a breakup, like the practicality of why

440
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: this person chose not to be with me, or why

441
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Speaker 3: you chose not to be with them, but you're still heartbroken,

442
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 3: you really put a lot of energy into trying to

443
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 3: figure out this other person's motives or why, just the

444
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: why and the how, and that will do your head in.

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

446
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 3: And I think you know as you get older, this

447
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: idea of control the controllable, it applies to everything you

448
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 3: do in life, and it does give you this underlying

449
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: calm and zen because when you understand that you can't

450
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 3: control other people's lives, decisions, things that you cannot understand

451
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 3: and can't hope to comprehend, there is a piece in

452
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 3: detachment and just going I no longer attached to your

453
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 3: needs and projections, and this shit's about me, wrap it up.

454
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 3: Put yourself in cotton will no texting. Put yourself in

455
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Speaker 3: like an emotional lockdown, and just like go through a

456
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: bootcamp to try and restore yourself and love yourself and

457
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: look after yourself. And that's the most powerful bit of

458
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 3: a breakup is the regeneration of what's going on whilst

459
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: you're still grieving, of course, and that's where girlfriends and

460
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: friends are just the best, absolute gold. And let me

461
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: tell you, ladies, as you get older, those friends are

462
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 3: just the best, the best female friendships. You know, partners

463
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 3: will come and go, life happens, but the girl friends

464
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Speaker 3: the best. And when you're building up legacy friendships, like

465
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Speaker 3: I have a friend that I met when I was

466
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Speaker 3: eleven and we're still in each other's lives. But mostly

467
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: you'll lock in, I think, especially if you're a country

468
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Speaker 3: girl who's moved to the city. Those like you know

469
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Speaker 3: late teens, early twenties, and a lot of my magazine friends,

470
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Speaker 3: I just they know you so well. It's very every

471
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Speaker 3: literally say you.

472
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Speaker 1: Actually can't stop being friends because I know.

473
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Speaker 3: It to much. I'd have to kill you.

474
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Speaker 2: And I love that as well.

475
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Speaker 1: With friends. We wrote a book called Finding Your People

476
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: and in it it was yeah, and it was thank you,

477
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Speaker 1: and it was like, where does like the line between

478
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Speaker 1: friendly feedback and justification? Where is that of like your

479
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: friends being like, yeah, look not great, but I'm I'm

480
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: still here for you.

481
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Speaker 3: As you get older, you don't want the fluff anymore. Yeah,

482
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: just like fucking tell me. And my best friend will

483
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: be the only one who actually calls me on my shit. Yeah,

484
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: and not even my husband will. And so I rely

485
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: on those girls, that handful of women to keep me

486
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: grounded and be a bit mean because I need that shit.

487
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: And otherwise I just go unfettered and think I'm amazing

488
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: and fabulous and I'm not sure people's feelings and not this,

489
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: that and the other, but those friends that I love

490
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: you enough to be honest, I'm writing my new book

491
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: is about female friendship, five girls and that mid life

492
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: like forty five forty sort of stuff that goes on.

493
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: You've got a lot of shit at play. Then you've

494
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: got children, You've got parents who are sick and unwell.

495
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: You've got partners that you might be drifting away from.

496
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 3: You've got you know, financial pressures, health pressures. Everything fucking

497
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: implodes and it's a lot, and that's when the friends

498
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: really come through, because everything else feels a bit unstable.

499
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Speaker 1: We want to chat to about career as well. And

500
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: you did mention previously that your start in editorial and

501
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: writing as a journalist and your start in beauty did

502
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 1: come from being an editor who deeply understands products and

503
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: people and not necessarily coming from a business background. So

504
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: what's one life lesson you learned starting go to that

505
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: no article or spreadsheet could have taught you.

506
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: Oh, just one, so so, so, so so many. And

507
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to ever dismay or tell anyone not

508
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: to start a business because you don't have a business background,

509
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: because if you understand people and you understand product or

510
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: you've seen a gap, you are a business person. That's it.

511
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: That's the shit that's actually worth money. A lot of

512
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: people that they have money and have done business and

513
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: commerce and MBAs, but they don't have the ideas and

514
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: they don't have the community. And that shit takes time

515
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: and it takes integrity and people have to trust you,

516
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: and that's the real goal. So don't doubt yourself. You've

517
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: got this. Also, you will learn as you go. Like

518
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 3: with everything, we're not expected to come in fully fledged,

519
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: I know exactly how to run it, and honestly hire

520
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: good people who know their shit because thinking it's there's

521
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 3: a lot of hubrew's involved in going I know how

522
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: to run a company. No you don't. I didn't. So

523
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 3: I had a general manager, a marketing like one of

524
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: our directors became the managing director and he handled things

525
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: like inventory and logistics and fulfillment. No no, no, not me.

526
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: Not good at it. Don't care And that's okay because

527
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: he couldn't do what I do. So everybody, knowing their

528
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: skill sets, you sort of have your superpowers and you

529
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: come together and make a fully formed company. And I've

530
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: talked to a lot of young founders and they're like,

531
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: I think we need to hire someone junior to just

532
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: help with like socials and stuff. I'm like, I would

533
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: really recommend not doing that, because that is your first

534
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 3: line of contact with your with your customer and your community.

535
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: And leaving it to someone who doesn't understand the brand

536
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: and you know, that's a really important role. That is

537
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 3: the dialogue between you and the people. Please don't give

538
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: it to someone who is untrained and doesn't understand the

539
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: brand and the ethos and the way to do the brand. Also,

540
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 3: I think hire big, spend up on like a key

541
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: senior staff men, because that person's going to take you

542
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 3: to the next level much faster than hiring someone under

543
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: you who can do the scrappy stuff. Take someone in

544
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: who's going to work alongside you, and it will really

545
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: grow your business because it's an investment that will really

546
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: really pay off.

547
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't think I've ever heard that

548
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: advice before, but it makes complete and utter sense because

549
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: you often get told just make the first hire and

550
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: like they can do all the stuff and free up

551
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: your time. So they telligate yeah, yeah, yeah, But that

552
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: makes total sense to me as well, because half the

553
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: time as well, like you just said, you don't know

554
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: what you're doing, so you need someone else to be like,

555
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: do you know you got this?

556
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: Well, they're not going to, are they just fresh out

557
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 3: of uniod. I mean, we do need absolute business who

558
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: are able to do all kinds of things. But I

559
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: think hiring someone senior at your level, of someone you

560
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: respect and can help you in areas that you are

561
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: not good at or skilled at, will really help.

562
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: I can imagine that there have been a lot of

563
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: life lessons we rebrand, oops moments, life lessons because hindsight,

564
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing. But I'd love to know what's

565
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: like the expensive mistake or like And by expensive, I

566
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: mean it could be money, or it could be like, yeah,

567
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: time that you made that you're like, so glad you

568
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: learned in your career.

569
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: I learned it late, and I put this is part

570
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 3: of the reason I wrote Things Will Come Down Soon,

571
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: because I had just come out of a big deal

572
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 3: where I sold half of my company and then ended

573
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: up buying half back. But that whole process was so

574
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 3: eye opening, and I just needed to get all of

575
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: that business advice and wisdom that i'd learned and paid

576
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 3: a lot of money for into a book so that

577
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: people would learn it but enjoy it instead of it

578
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: being another dry business book, because we don't need another

579
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: one of those. There's plenty. They're great, good. But I've

580
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: always thought, and this was my whole principle with beauty,

581
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: if you're having fun and you're entertained, you don't even

582
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: really notice you're learning. Like that was how I wanted

583
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: to write about beauty in the beginning and relationships, that

584
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: was the main reason I wrote the book. But in

585
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: the book, I do touch on a lot of protecting

586
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: your equity and not giving away too much of your

587
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: business at the start and treating that equity like gold.

588
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: And I definitely learned that too late in the piece.

589
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: And I tell every founder, like, if you don't have

590
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: to take in investors, if it's only for financial reasons,

591
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: please bootstrap it yourself, because one day your company could

592
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: be worth a hundred million dollars and that five percent

593
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: is worth a lot of money. Yeah, so hold it tight,

594
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: only release it when you absolutely have to. And if

595
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: you do do it, make sure the equity are giving

596
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: away is really getting good use out of that investment,

597
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: so they have connections, infrastructure, whatever you're trying to do.

598
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: For us, it was we were trying to go big

599
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: overseas and have that the boots on the ground, that

600
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: the people over there who could help us do that.

601
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: So it was very calculated in that sense. But if

602
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: you're just doing it because you think you need some

603
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: more money because you want to do a bigger run

604
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: or something, take a loan, ask your parents. I think

605
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: there might be other ways to do it. And then

606
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: when you've scaled and you're at a profitable state and

607
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: the company is worth a lot more. You'll be very grateful,

608
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: not to say never take investment, but just to be really,

609
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: really considered with it. No, I think that's good because

610
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: you've got the ideas, you've got the community, you've got

611
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: what the people with money want. They don't have that,

612
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: So to treat it like gold because it is very special.

613
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: And that's how I got through millions of meetings with

614
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: fifteen guys in blue suits like just trying to make

615
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: my business to get it for a cheaper price. And

616
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: I'm just like, guys, we're not in distress. This business

617
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: is fucking incredible and you're lucky to be sitting here.

618
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: So don't come at withe that I love like this.

619
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: I will protect this brand at aucust. And that's why

620
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: you buy it back because you're like no, no, yeah,

621
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: you don't get their hands on this, see the vision? Yeah.

622
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it comes back to trusting yourself, yes, because

623
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people go to that avenue

624
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: or seek help in those ways because they don't believe

625
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: that they can do it yeah themselves. And yeah, like

626
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: you said, that doesn't apply all the time. Sometimes it

627
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: is a very considered thing and it makes sense. But

628
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: I do think that in the beginning, a lot of

629
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: people like I can't do this on my own, like

630
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: I need the help of somebody else.

631
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: But maybe you just need to take it.

632
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: A little bit more slow and you can do it yourself.

633
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: The transparency behind running a business is it's becoming more

634
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: and more transparent, like people and founders and business women

635
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: are opening up a lot more, but it's still from

636
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: the outside, it's still very high glam and you know

637
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: the business bitch. Yeah, we still have this like, especially

638
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: even with like journalism, we all still are going back

639
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: to like how to lose a guy in ten days

640
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: and never wears proud of being like that looks so fun,

641
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: which you would know because of your journalism background, but

642
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: it's obviously a lot more intense in the bts and

643
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: behind the scenes that I'm like, how do you embrace

644
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: I know you said that you thrive in chaos. How

645
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: do you embrace calm when everything feels like chaos?

646
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: Great question, I think, I get. I get very anxious.

647
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: I get well, I was very very anxious, but then

648
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: I got on hit and oh my god, I'm a

649
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: different person. So I now, you guys are too young

650
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: for that but the perimen apostle shit is real, and

651
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm so grateful there's dialogue around it and education now

652
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: because I didn't know what it was still a couple

653
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: of years ago. And I think at the time, when

654
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: I was doing my deal and I was writing a

655
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: book and I had young children, I was not good.

656
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: I was so anxious, I wasn't sleeping, it wasn't much fun.

657
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: And now I feel like a very different person. So

658
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: I think getting my hormones right, wow, massive massive change.

659
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: And my anxiety still pops up, but that's probably more

660
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: rooted in perfectionism and wanting to do the best job

661
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: possible rather than the responsibility I feel as a founder

662
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: and someone that is responsible for a whole team and

663
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: at customer base as well as my family. So I

664
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: think that has been a huge one. And I think

665
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: a lot of women in their forties gas lighting themselves, going, oh,

666
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: it's just a busy time, or you know, I'm not

667
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: sleeping because X, or you know things will come down

668
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: Soon's that's the refrain that we tell ourselves again and again.

669
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: But it doesn't need to be that hard, you know,

670
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: And there could be like quite an obvious health problem

671
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: that needs looking into and that will help a lot.

672
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: I think that's great advice when we need to stop

673
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: gaslighting themselves.

674
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: I and I was like, oh, you know it's just

675
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 3: because this or you know, if I just do this,

676
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: then maybe I'm not exiting the right or no alcohol

677
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: that will fix everything. You know, whatever it was, you

678
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: know that would be the fix. But surprise, it was

679
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: my hormones.

680
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

681
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: If you think about what changes to your body when

682
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: you go through puberty or when you have a baby,

683
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: big shit happens. So of course when you're on the

684
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: tail end of all of that, big shit's going to happen.

685
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: I think it's amazing that we wouldn't suspect that as

686
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: like the number one. Yeah, yeah, that's so interesting.

687
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: And you spoke about perfectionism just now, and you did

688
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: say in a recent interview there's this very dangerous idea

689
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: of perfection.

690
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: Of course, there have been failures.

691
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: What role do you think failures should play in our

692
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: lives and how do you reframe it when it does happen?

693
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: Just a lesson? Yeah, every failure is a lesson. And

694
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: we're having failures from the day we're born, and whether

695
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: that's falling over whom we're learning to walk, or making

696
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: a brand that seemed like fun at the time but

697
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: didn't have a commercial sensibility around it. Whatever it might be,

698
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: it's a lesson. And I feel like I've had a

699
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: few runs on the board, so I have the privileged success,

700
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: and that lends me to feel a bit comfortable and complacent,

701
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: and I hate that. So I want to be challenged.

702
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: And I think people who lead an increasingly frictionless life

703
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: because they have more success, more money, bigger team, the

704
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: strivers will seek challenges and they will seek hard things.

705
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: Whether that's healthy or not. I just think that's the

706
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: human condition. So I like lessons because otherwise how am

707
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: I going to grow? That's why I go no further,

708
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. So having hard things in my life,

709
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: like trying to write a novel or running a business, yeah,

710
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: that shit makes me spin. I love it.

711
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you do this though, But

712
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: then if you have a bad day and then you're

713
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: like fucking hate this shit, being like why am I

714
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: doing this, and then you're like, nah, I'm doing it

715
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: because I love it.

716
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: I do Yeah, yeah, I mean you have that's why

717
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: you have.

718
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: To do something you love, because when you do have

719
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: those moments that's a failure or it's a hard day

720
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: or whatever. You have to be like, You're still going

721
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: to get up tomorrow and do it. Yeah, you can'll

722
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: winge about it, yeah, but I'm still going to do it.

723
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your beauty wisdom because you've seen many

724
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: skincare a trend come and go, and as someone who

725
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: has been on both sides as editor and entrepreneur, what

726
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: is the skincare truth you wish every woman would stop ignoring?

727
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: You know?

728
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: Is it going to be spa Listen. I I'm genuinely

729
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: astonished at where this is all heading with the girls

730
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: in their twenties and the guys, because I felt like

731
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: we were really getting somewhere and it has completely gone

732
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: backwards and we're into tan lines again, and there are

733
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: tanning products in my feet, and I'm like, how have

734
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: we got here? Meanwhile, people like me who are manufacturing

735
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: and spending tens and thousands of dollars on each product

736
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: to get it safe and properly ready for the market

737
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: and so cosmetically elegant that people will actually wear it

738
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: not think about it. Yeah, that's a big thing for

739
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: all of us is making modern sunscreens that people will

740
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: wear because then they can't complain about the texture. No, no,

741
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: we fix that. You have no excuse. Yeah, is that

742
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 3: two in three Australians will develop skin cancer at some point.

743
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: It's a real statistic And I just don't know how

744
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 3: that message is not getting through. It's like everyone's vaping again.

745
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a nihilistic tendency. They don't think the world's

746
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: going to be around in twenty years. But I'm really

747
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 3: I'm shocked at the cavalier attitude towards cancer. Yeah. So

748
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: I feel like, but you know, vanity coming into it.

749
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: I decided at like sixteen or seventeen that I was

750
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: going to stop tanning because quite I didn't want to

751
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: look fifty when I was forty. Now I'm forty four.

752
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm proud of my skin. I stay out at the

753
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 3: sun and you can get all the lasers and procedures

754
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: that you want, but you cannot it will show. Yeah,

755
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: And that's why I say your face stops at your boobs,

756
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: because even if you have a starting face, because you've

757
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: bothered to put on screen on guess what, we're always

758
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: showing this. We're showing this, We're showing our knees places

759
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: you release suspects. So please look up to your skin

760
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: because yes it's young and tanned and bouncy now, but

761
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: you will age hopefully if you're lucky.

762
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can look after that.

763
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: And also if you're using high strength acids, like if

764
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: you're in there using your own and only know and

765
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 3: you are not protecting, you're doing so much damage.

766
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: And you did mention tan lines.

767
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: But are there any other beauty trends or products that

768
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: make you roll your eyes?

769
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: I am pretty chill about that. I think like everyone

770
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: have fun. That's the ethos of go To is like

771
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: beauty shouldn't.

772
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: Be so serious, getting so up tired about this. It's

773
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: lotions and potions, have fun. You're just making yourself have

774
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: a nice time and ideally getting healthier skin or the

775
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: complexion you want. So I don't judge you on I'm

776
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: very prone to influence, so I buy a lot of

777
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: shit that I don't use much role as led you

778
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: name it, I've done it, I've bought it. And what

779
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: it always comes back to, and this is where our

780
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: focus is, of course, is the gold.

781
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: Standard, very proven ingredients like vitamin C sbf AH vitamin

782
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: A and they will consistently get you better results. So

783
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: if you just did a decent daily skincare routine and

784
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 3: got the occasional procedure, you get your injections, get whatever

785
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: you want. But if you're just doing that on the day,

786
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: that you will see a big, big difference.

787
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: I love that.

788
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: I love that being like you have free will.

789
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: If you want to do twelve steps two twelve step yes,

790
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: but if you want to do two, we've got you.

791
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: You know. That's what got to this point is like,

792
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: it shouldn't be that hard.

793
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to ask you a really hard question.

794
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: What's like obviously, parents when they have their product babies,

795
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: it's like.

796
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: No, you can't chuse the hyb I can't.

797
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: Well, I want to know what products you think would

798
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: be illegal to discontinue from go to AH.

799
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: It's I think face Heero because it's just got, you know,

800
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of five star reviews. Everyone loves it.

801
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: It becomes like it's our gateway product. People use it

802
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: and then they find the whole brand because it's so

803
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: easy to put into your routine. I use it morning

804
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: at night, I use it on rashes. I use it

805
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: on my children. I use it every my husband use

806
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: it in these bid It's just especially in which it's

807
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: a beautiful booster and it just gives you the glowe.

808
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: And then now we've made a clarifying version so people

809
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: who are like oil no, if they have digested skin

810
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: or breakouts, then we made a dry earl that really

811
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: sorts it out. And our clinicals are amazing, so I

812
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: feel like we've got oils covered that if you're older,

813
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: I would say very amazing. Retin now Retinol is what

814
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: most people default to, but retin Now written how to

815
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: Hide is sort of a new ingredient and that's what

816
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: we use because it's a lot more tolerable, but it's

817
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: a lot more strong. It's well effect so you can

818
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: get the results without the irritation.

819
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: What's like the most underrated product from go to that

820
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: more people need, that needs to be like a cult set.

821
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 3: The removalist. It's the clay mask. It is so good.

822
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: A lot of people like our sheet mask transformazing. They

823
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: sell maybe one every minute.

824
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it's me, thank you, just me every minute. I

825
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: like walk back into Meca and I'm like another.

826
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I use one this morning. But their their magic

827
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: pre event, pre makeup or if the next morning. But

828
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: the removal list is a clay mask, but it's very

829
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: hydrating and brightening, and it is a secret weapon. So

830
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: if you want to have good skin, that's not just

831
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: a serum based good skin. So Transformazing is amazing. But

832
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: it's sort of surface, but you are it. Just trusts me.

833
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: It smells like bubble gum. It's fun to use. Use

834
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: it once a week and you'll see big, big results,

835
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: especially if you're having some coggestion. You can just spot

836
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: use it on your shie or something. But I love it,

837
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: and that's my secre room. So sometimes I'm just sitting

838
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: at my desk and I start to feel old and

839
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: bored and wrinkley, and I'll go and do the removal

840
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: list and slather myself in oils and creams and I

841
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: feel a million.

842
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: But what's next? What can we look forward to?

843
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 3: So so so much coming out for go too. Wearing

844
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: some of the new stuff today, I'm very exciting because

845
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: it's that final testing where we're it's pretty much perfect.

846
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: It's just like a tweak of fragrance. So a lot

847
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: to come in different categories. Oh yeah, yeah, so we're excited.

848
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: We're very good at skincare, but we want to play

849
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: another areas.

850
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you just let that sit okay, marine,

851
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: but we're going to look after you and you love it.

852
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm yeah.

853
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do have one final question.

854
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: This is incredibly selfish of me to ask, but every

855
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: year your husband bakes okay, yeah, yeah, to put it mildly,

856
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: and this has been a tradition for.

857
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: Many a years.

858
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have a favorite cake that has been made?

859
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: I have a memory that always makes us laugh. When

860
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: he made the Uni donkey. It was meant to be

861
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: a unicorn, but it was for my daughter's I think

862
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 3: fourth birthday was in lockdown. We're in a rental and

863
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: he so he couldn't have anyone come and help, which

864
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: he normally has at least one guy to come over

865
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: and help him balance things or.

866
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense.

867
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he didn't have and it was pretty AMBITI

868
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Speaker 3: she didn't have a sous chef.

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00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: Is that it?

870
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: And I could still hear banging at five in the morning.

871
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: Normally I it tapes like no one sleeps that night,

872
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: trust me. But by about five I was like, okay,

873
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 3: I need to check on this guy because I guess

874
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: he's repetitive banging. And I came down the stairs and

875
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: he was trying to make the cloud of glitter above

876
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: the caves it and he just looked up for me.

877
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: He looked so broken and drunk, quite drunk, and we

878
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: just pissed ourself, laughing and like on the floor. Honestly,

879
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: he was absolutely liarious and I was like what And

880
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: it was the ugliest thing. The teeth was so wrong

881
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: and big. I mean, she loved it and it was beautiful.

882
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: And it's the thought that counts, and the care and

883
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: the time and the tradition. And never know how he

884
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: does it because when I go to bed, he doesn't

885
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: know what he's doing. And then in the morning this

886
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: perfect perfection, perfectly to the brief. Yeah, what the kid

887
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: has asked for. It's like he's done it. He's never failed.

888
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: I'm so impressed. You know, it's engineering and maths though.

889
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: That's why I said, should I be helping?

890
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: This is not your areas exactly.

891
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: Everything he's measuring is shopping. Is it's awful?

892
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Not, it's hard, incredible, but it's skill, yeah, believe

893
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: him exactly. But we do love to wrap up our

894
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: interviews with our guests with the same question, and it's

895
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: what's your biggest life lesson on your journey so far.

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00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: I think it is a cliche, but it is a

897
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: cliche for a reason, which is too trust your instinct.

898
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: And as women, we I think we do inherently and

899
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: we've been taught as like as a safety mechanism to trust,

900
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: you know, is this the right place for me to

901
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: walk at night, or is this the room it's going

902
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: to be safe for me? Or I think we use

903
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: our instinct in a lot of ways that we don't

904
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: even really consider. But I think there's more focuses pulled

905
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: when you are making big financial decisions or business decisions

906
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: or reputational decisions. So it hasn't let me down yet

907
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: and it's been the thing that has guided me this far.

908
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: And I think it's very easy to doubt yourself and

909
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: judge yourself and worry.

910
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: But.

911
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: Don't just trust your gut. And there's a wonderful woman,

912
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: Ellen Langan. She was on a podcast recently saying that

913
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: don't worry about making the right decision, make the decision right,

914
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: And I love that because you never know what's going

915
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: to happen. Say you get a job offer in London

916
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 3: and you're really torn.

917
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: Do you go?

918
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: Do you not go? Her point is if you go

919
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: and you believe that was the right decision, something could

920
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: happen and it could all fall apart over there. You

921
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: don't know if you stay, same thing could happen there.

922
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: So you actually didn't You don't know, You don't know

923
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: what the universe holds. So just choose without too much

924
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: thought and make that decision, right, I feel you just

925
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: was my mind?

926
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, No, it's brilliant sharing a good word. Yeah,

927
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: I love that.

928
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: That's amazing because we attached so much to the hope

929
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: of making the right decision. And the gut is a

930
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: really important player in that, particularly when it comes to

931
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: selling a business and something very heavy like that. And

932
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: I remember asking other founders, how did you know?

933
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: What did you do?

934
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: And no one's got the clearance and there's no guidebook.

935
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: That's the other thing, Like there's a whole business around founders,

936
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: like become a success. Here's how you become your own

937
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: boss and become an entrepreneur. And they build and build

938
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: and build, and they make you go to conferences and

939
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: panels and stuff. When you do it, crickets, who's going

940
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: to help you when you're a success. No one's going

941
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: to tell you. Oh, this is when you should be

942
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: hiring a CEO. This is when you should be outsourcing

943
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: your warehouse. This is when you should be you know,

944
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: doing same day delivery. This is shit. You have to

945
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: make up as you go and you have to hire

946
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: smart people to help you do that. That's amazing.

947
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, so much.

948
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Speaker 3: It has been an absolute pleasure having you on.

949
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Speaker 3: The removed list of course. Course, but thank you so

957
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Speaker 3: much for coming.

958
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Speaker 1: Like we said, it's been a dream come true and

959
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Speaker 1: a bucket list moment for a spoise. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: MKA Made for making this episode of two Brea Chicks happen.

961
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Speaker 2: We love being in your ear holes. Goodbye, my chicks.

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Speaker 1: Bye,