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Speaker 1: The state government has released the draft Greater Adelaide Regional

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Speaker 1: Plan for consultation. It calls for it's a thirty year

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Speaker 1: plan to have a look at how to grow the

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Speaker 1: population by an additional six hundred and seventy thousand people

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Speaker 1: by twenty fifty long term vision. Let's have a chat

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Speaker 1: about that. The Planning Minister Nick Champion on the Lome

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Speaker 1: Minister good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning Matthew.

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Speaker 1: We're under a lot of pressure already with population growing.

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Speaker 1: We want to grow it that much in what twenty

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Speaker 1: five or so years. Do we have the resources available

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Speaker 1: to build the housing we need?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, Chair Matthew, this is just the sort of

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Speaker 2: normal population growth that we're expecting. So it's not so

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Speaker 2: much about whether we've.

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Speaker 3: Got a choice over it.

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Speaker 2: It's about whether we plan for it or not. And

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Speaker 2: this government believes we should plan for that growth because

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Speaker 2: we'll get better outcomes and the long term. This week

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Speaker 2: we certainly will. We'd be less likely to have a

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Speaker 2: housing crisis in the long term if we plan for

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Speaker 2: more housing and more employment, land, more open space and

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Speaker 2: better in structure provision.

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Speaker 1: So what are we looking at Out to the north,

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Speaker 1: for instance, is where a lot of this is focused

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Speaker 1: I understand down in the south as well around murray Bridge,

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Speaker 1: and there was an announcement from a developer for an

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Speaker 1: area just out of murray Bridge as well. But talk

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Speaker 1: us through that. How do you see it unfolding?

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Speaker 2: Well, murray Bridge will probably be a very substantial regional

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Speaker 2: city for Adelaide. It's reasonably close to Adelaide, but it

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Speaker 2: has its own economy, sign employment lands, Thomas food is there,

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Speaker 2: range of other agricultural industries are there, big mushroom farms

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Speaker 2: and alike, and so we see the you know, it's

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Speaker 2: got good amenity on being on the river and it's

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Speaker 2: got plenty of room to grow. So we're just going

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Speaker 2: to make sure that the infrastructure is there and that's

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Speaker 2: timely and then you know, pretty much murray Bridge can

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Speaker 2: grow and have its own economy out its own regional center.

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Speaker 2: So it's a pretty important place. You know, you'll be

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Speaker 2: able to get a house and a couple of cars

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Speaker 2: and ski boat and have a pretty good life I

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Speaker 2: would think, and pretty able to get a good job

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Speaker 2: to So we see big future for murray Bridge. And

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Speaker 2: also obviously the northern suburbs is the engine room for

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Speaker 2: housing for employment as well for Adelaide because if you

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Speaker 2: look at the south, the outer South have pretty much

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Speaker 2: gone as far as we can. The city itself, while

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Speaker 2: being able to grow through strategic infield, has limited capacity

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Speaker 2: for big greenfield and so our main greenfield growth front

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Speaker 2: is on the outer north.

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Speaker 1: Of the Adelaide. Okay, so we're talking well, Cuddler Gola

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Speaker 1: beyond Gaula obviously, Well we're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about Cuddler, Roseworthy, two Wells and River Lee. They're

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Speaker 2: the areas that have been earmarks for future expansion. And

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Speaker 2: of course, you know we've got the Dry Creek saltpan

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Speaker 2: as well, which has already been an out. So we've

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Speaker 2: got a big you know, got a lot of flat

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Speaker 2: land that helps, and we've just got to connect it

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Speaker 2: up to the infrastructure to make sure that growth can

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Speaker 2: be accommodated. But that's where all of if you like,

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Speaker 2: the future opportunities or many of the future opportunities will be.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of infield to be done. And the

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Speaker 1: government purchasing the west End block, that big parcel of

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Speaker 1: land down by the River Torrens just next to Heine

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Speaker 1: Marsh there or in fact that probably is sein Mush,

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Speaker 1: isn't it maybe Sibiton on that side of the river,

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Speaker 1: but it is certainly an area that will be filled

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Speaker 1: in and are you're looking at a lot of homes

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Speaker 2: There's a big opportunities on Smithfield Barracks, at Elizabeth City Center,

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Speaker 2: at Salisbury and if you come into town, that big

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Speaker 2: arc of growth around Bowden which was finishing the last

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Speaker 2: sort of thirty percent of and then coming around west

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Speaker 2: Endbury will be the start of development. So I think

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Speaker 2: along the top of Port Road, and of course Homemush

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Speaker 2: has a huge capacity to take housing as what all.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you then flipped to Keswick Barracks and

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Speaker 2: you find that the city itself has got a lot

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Speaker 2: the city from the markets basically down to the old

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Speaker 2: Australia Post site. There's huge opportunity for a really big

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Speaker 2: residential precinct and the state government's got a project there

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Speaker 2: at Franklin Street bus depot. So we think where you

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Speaker 2: can put in strategic infield, you can build the sort

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Speaker 2: of communities that people want to live in, which are

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Speaker 2: very dense, but people choose to live there, and they

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Speaker 2: might suit people at a particular time of life, when

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Speaker 2: they're young or when they're retired. Might not be that

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Speaker 2: great when you've got a family, but some people might

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Speaker 2: choose to live in the city and have a family

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Speaker 2: as well. And we hope that really what we're trying

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Speaker 2: to do here, Matthew, is give people an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: choose their housing they want at the time of life

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Speaker 2: and when they need it.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned putting the infrastructuring, making sure that's right. You

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Speaker 1: said that in regards to murray Bridge, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: you need to do this everywhere, and it continuously frustrates me.

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Speaker 1: I suppose when you see projects like River Lee and okay,

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Speaker 1: it's on the Northern Expressway there that the beginning of

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Speaker 1: that basically where people can get on Port Wakefield Road

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Speaker 1: town very quickly. But when we build projects like that,

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Speaker 1: why don't we factor in rail And you know, you

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Speaker 1: talk murray Bridge, and I know it's only economy. You

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Speaker 1: said that people will live and work in the town,

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Speaker 1: and that's fair enough, but some will want to commute.

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Speaker 1: Some commute right now, we've got the issue of murray

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Speaker 1: Bridge without a railway track getting people in and out,

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Speaker 1: and it would need to be a rebuilt railway track

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Speaker 1: because the existing line on old timetable show trains took

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Speaker 1: ninety or so minutes from Mount Barker. So why don't

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Speaker 1: we bite the bullet and be very expensive of course,

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Speaker 1: but build a direct line from even murray Bridge because

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Speaker 1: it starts winding from Callington on into the city, from

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Speaker 1: Callington through to murray Bridge to Adelaide and bring people

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Speaker 1: in directly in an hour. It could be done surely.

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Speaker 2: Well, Matthew, I think you're right that the first thing

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Speaker 2: that people always go to when they see these plans

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Speaker 2: as well, how are we going to move people around?

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Speaker 2: How we're going to do the infrastructure, And it's true

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Speaker 2: that it hasn't necessarily been done that well on the

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Speaker 2: and everything from storm water or foot paths right through

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Speaker 2: the heavy rail. So we've just announced in murray Bridge

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Speaker 2: the first infrastructure scheme, and those schemes will obligate developers,

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Speaker 2: and we will have a better funding mechanism to make

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Speaker 2: sure that that occurs, and it can take account of

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Speaker 2: the rising cost of infrastructure. And that's the first scheme

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Speaker 2: that's been done in this state and the past we've

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Speaker 2: always relied on deeds and they have their limitations. In

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Speaker 2: terms of bigger infrastructure. Minister kuts and Thomas has got

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Speaker 2: the twenty year Infrastructure Strategy. I think it's in the

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Speaker 2: process of going out to public comportation and being formulated

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Speaker 2: and that will our plans in the Greater Adelaide Regional

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Speaker 2: Plan will help him inform the sort of infrastructure in

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Speaker 2: terms of heavy infrastructure that we need roads and rail.

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Speaker 2: But I think if you look at projects like west

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Speaker 2: like west End Brewery and Keswick sweat infrastructure that we've

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Speaker 2: we've already put in a new station. And I think

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Speaker 2: where the future will lie and this is where why

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Speaker 2: Cuddler is in particular is so important, is we've already

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Speaker 2: got theien dollar electrified train line there. We're just going

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Speaker 2: to be making use of that at some pretty lonely

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Speaker 2: you know, we've got some opportunities to sweat infrastructure and

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Speaker 2: I think if we can do that, we can get

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Speaker 2: better use. And then of course the next thing is

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Speaker 2: if we can provide infrastructure at a reasonable cost to

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Speaker 2: those new communities in Concordia, you know, Roseworthy, Caddler, you

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Speaker 2: know they are. You know, it's not beyond the realms

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Speaker 2: of possibility. Future government can consider that. What we've really

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Speaker 2: got to do is think about the preservation of railcops alls,

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Speaker 2: which we've done it all Dinger of course, So that's

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Speaker 2: you know, those things will be informed by Minister kIPS

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Speaker 2: and tous the strategy, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, And the other part of this is the cost

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Speaker 1: to happen. The Premier is already flagged rises to s

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Speaker 1: A water bills. Is that how we'll be paying for

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Speaker 1: this as a state.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, infrastructure, you know, and housing is expensive. And

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Speaker 2: every generation who in anybody's listening in that and the

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Speaker 2: And so we you know, every time we make putting

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Speaker 2: this infrastructure, we make housing much cheaper. The most expensive

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Speaker 2: happens is rents fly up, housing supply drives up, and

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Speaker 2: we want to make sure that we're just prudently, insensibly

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Speaker 2: putting in place infrastructure and paying for it as we go.

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Speaker 2: That will open up housing, you know, four people, so

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Speaker 2: the one thing that will If you don't have water

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Speaker 2: there's death and taxes I suppose are always predictable. But

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Speaker 2: at least if you're paying a small amount on your

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Speaker 2: water bill and you think it's going into a new

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Speaker 2: water pipe for some new homeowner, that's that should help

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Speaker 2: ease the pain. I guess, well.

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Speaker 1: You know, hope, but I don't know that it does

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Speaker 1: necessarily when we pay high prices for everything at the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the big cost that's coming through in all the

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Speaker 2: able to buy a house and we've got a whole

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Speaker 2: generation Matthew that might get stuck in renting if we

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Speaker 2: don't take action. So that's why we've done a housing roadmap,

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Speaker 2: that's why we're doing the thirty year plan to get

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Speaker 2: a short, medium and long term supply of housing in

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Speaker 2: because if we don't, then, you know, no good your

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Speaker 2: water bill or your power building a bit cheaper, but

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Speaker 2: your rent being in one hundred and two hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: a week extra because it's really having a you know,

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Speaker 2: that's a big cost pressure that I censors in people's lines.

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Speaker 1: All right, So people want to have their say on this.

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Speaker 1: It's open consultation till early November. The Regional Planning Portal

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Speaker 1: is where you go, and I think if you just

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Speaker 1: google those words, it should be enough to suffice to

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Speaker 1: get you there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Go to the Planet's a website and

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Speaker 2: you can have a squiz.

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Speaker 1: Terrific Minister, appreciate your time. Thanks, Matthew Mick Champion, Planning

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Speaker 1: Minister on growth for Adelaide over the next thirty years.

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Speaker 1: He's outlined the area is what do you think love

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Speaker 1: to get your point of view on eight double two

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Speaker 1: to three double o double oh. Bruce Gutail on the

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Speaker 1: line essay, exec Director, Property Council of Australia, Bruce good morning,

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Speaker 1: good water. Does it go enough of the way to

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Speaker 1: solving our housing needs over the next two or three decades.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's great to have a plan and it's not

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Speaker 3: are willing and able to make They're not hard decisions,

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Speaker 3: they're just really progressive decisions that will help to ease

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Speaker 3: the housing crisis. And you know where we're seeing what

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Speaker 3: we now call nimbiism, you know, not in my backyard,

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Speaker 3: protests or campaigners. Uh, you know, always get going to

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Speaker 3: make a lot of noise even though there's there's not

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Speaker 3: that in recent times. And that's why this strategic infield,

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Speaker 3: and he mentioned a number of science You've got the

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Speaker 3: the not too distant future. Well, that Glenside Code amendment

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Speaker 3: becomes all that more important because that will send the

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Speaker 3: signals to the developers, the builders, to the people around

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Speaker 3: how serious this government is about increasing housing supply in

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Speaker 3: strategic areas where it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Did we meet the targets of the previous plan?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Look, the previous plan had a bit around infill, the

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Speaker 3: green field, et cetera. Look, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 3: that's a fruitful conversation to have, especially now when we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if we didn't meet the goods last time,

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Speaker 1: why would we make them this time.

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Speaker 3: Well, and that comes back to infrastructure provisions and infrastructure

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Speaker 3: being delivered development ready land. It's one thing to just

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Speaker 3: more land than you know. There's multiple countries. The majority

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Speaker 3: It's about releasing development ready land where developers can develop

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Speaker 3: that needs to come. It's not just about building houses.

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Speaker 3: It really is about building community. And you know that's expensive,

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Speaker 3: that costs a lot of money, and strategic and feel

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Speaker 3: is a great way to sweat, as Minister Champions said,

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Speaker 3: existing existing assets, and it is cheapened upgrade existing assets,

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Speaker 3: then build whole brand new ones earlier. We need everything

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Speaker 1: You talk about Nimbiaism at the beginning, and I think

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Speaker 1: you're right. I think the government's metal will be tested

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Speaker 1: regarding building high rise buildings on more in areas that

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Speaker 1: where they don't exist at the moment. But I wonder

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Speaker 1: to feel aggrieved over that. That's not nimbias and that's

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Speaker 1: been let down.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: I think people are misguided if they think nothing ever

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Speaker 3: changes in the street. Scope will always change. Stay the

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Speaker 3: same things are going to change. There's twenty story apartment

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Speaker 3: twenty years it'll be thirty, forty or fifty story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If we want to grow and have a growing economy

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Speaker 3: higher standard of living, then we need more houses. We

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Speaker 3: are actually the most unaffordable place to buy a home

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Speaker 3: in Australia, and that's because our wages are relatively lower

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Speaker 3: they're ameliorating somewhat interstate. So South Australia has a problem

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Speaker 3: do everything it can to facilitate the development of more dwellings.

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Speaker 1: All right, appreciate I appreciate your time. Thank you, SA

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Speaker 1: Executive Director, Property Council of Australia. I think it's absolutely

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Speaker 1: right in saying, well, what's there today is not going

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Speaker 1: on when they were built. For instance, the building we're

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Speaker 1: about eight or nine story, and Hurdles the same with apartments.

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Speaker 1: about eight some years later, so you know, times change

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Speaker 1: and things get higher with change. At Sea. Michelle Lindsik

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Speaker 1: is called in shadow Housing Minister, Shadow minister, Good morning, Hello,

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Speaker 1: how are you man? I thank you? What's your point?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's a fairly standard process to go to

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Speaker 4: update the plans, so obviously we need to know where

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Speaker 4: We've worked with the government on areas such as murray Bridge,

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Speaker 4: which is very keen to get a lot of housing

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Speaker 4: we've also had this situation here in South Australia with

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Speaker 4: delaying all Dinger and Bowden. So we've had you know,

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Speaker 4: having to try and catch up a bit for some

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Speaker 4: of the for the mistakes of the past, and of

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Speaker 4: course the devil's in the details, so we'll be looking

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Speaker 4: I think the people of Glenside have got every right

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Speaker 1: All right, appreciate your time this morning. Thank you. Michelle Lensig,

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Speaker 1: Shadow Housing Minister,