Speaker 1: Hello, Supercoaches, and welcome to a brand new episode of
Speaker 1: the Official Supercoach AFL Show, and we have a massive
Speaker 1: announcement to drop today. Get all your breaking news first
Speaker 1: on the Official Supercoach Show. Al Payton here joined by
Speaker 1: some of the leading lights of the fantasy community to
Speaker 1: talk about this exciting news. The Phantom dialing in from
Speaker 1: the lair. Phantom, good to have you on board.
Speaker 2: Thank you er, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure
Speaker 2: to be here. We had the last episode, we thought
Speaker 2: that was Christmas. This time another big present has landed
Speaker 2: under your Supercoach tree, you said leading minds of the
Speaker 2: Supercoach community. There is three of those in the podcast today,
Speaker 2: and we've got Phantom Junior Doss here next to me
Speaker 2: in the lair. We've led him back here and he's
Speaker 2: pretty excited about what you're going to tell him now.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, very excited. Huge news.
Speaker 4: I won't delay too much longer so the listeners can hear.
Speaker 4: But we do have another guest here and it is
Speaker 4: my good friend Patch.
Speaker 5: Hello, welcome. I'm very excited to finally be let partially
Speaker 5: into the lair to have a little gander. It's very
Speaker 5: damping here but yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I had to have all you gensit with me for
Speaker 1: this one. So what we want to tell people is
Speaker 1: that there is an exciting change coming to super Coach
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. Of course, super Coach Plus subscribers
Speaker 1: will get access to the early team pick up very soon,
Speaker 1: keep an eye it for that on all your social channels,
Speaker 1: and the platform will be opening shortly before Christmas. But
Speaker 1: we can tell people exclusively today that when you see
Speaker 1: what super Coach AFL looks like for twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: there will in fact be a brand new position and
Speaker 1: an extra player on the field, which is a big
Speaker 1: change for a game that we've known and loved for
Speaker 1: a long time. So there will be thirty one players
Speaker 1: in at your squad now and twenty three of them
Speaker 1: on the field, including a brand new flex position to
Speaker 1: go with our defenders, forwards, rucks and of course all
Speaker 1: our midfielders and flex is. As it says it describes,
Speaker 1: I guess it can be pretty much any player you
Speaker 1: like from any position to add to your on field
Speaker 1: set up each round. And the crucial piece of information
Speaker 1: that goes with this is the introduction of Best twenty
Speaker 1: two scoring every week so obviously, bys, we're used to
Speaker 1: having best eighteen. Now we're going to get best twenty
Speaker 1: two for all the other rounds, So you'll have twenty
Speaker 1: three players on the field going into the round, and
Speaker 1: only your best twenty two scores count towards your total
Speaker 1: for that round. So you know, you might think of
Speaker 1: it as like a Tom Green rule. We remember last year,
Speaker 1: I think it was round eight against the Swan's. A
Speaker 1: lot of people brought in Tom Green that week. He
Speaker 1: was great value and he remembered doubt yes, Phantom you would
Speaker 1: remember this as well, and got injured. I think it
Speaker 1: was an ankle injury and a tackle very very early
Speaker 1: in the game, subdubt with just five points to his name.
Speaker 1: So assuming nothing else crazy happened that week, if that
Speaker 1: happens again next year, Tom Green's score would drop out
Speaker 1: and only your best twenty two counts. So it just
Speaker 1: helps you dodge those bullets from laid outs and subs
Speaker 1: and concussions, especially mens as a new era of footy
Speaker 1: that we need to move with, so yeah, hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: make the game more enjoyable, bit fair, I guess, easier
Speaker 1: to play, especially for those late unforeseen issues that you
Speaker 1: just can't deal with. And I'm sure there will be
Speaker 1: lots of strategy that can go with it as well,
Speaker 1: which will give us plenty to talk about and new
Speaker 1: ways to attack super Coach in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: That is massive, big flex there from out over in
Speaker 2: the official Super Coach HQ, Dossie, there is a lot
Speaker 2: of strategy that's going to be involved in it. We've
Speaker 2: got plenty of time to talk about that for us hardcrese,
Speaker 2: But it's great, I think for we know not all
Speaker 2: Super Coach players are like us and a glued to
Speaker 2: their Super Coach app the TVs all weekend. We know
Speaker 2: life gets in the way sometimes, but this way takes
Speaker 2: a bit of frustration out when something like that happens
Speaker 2: and you're not able to adjust or notice the event
Speaker 2: happening during the weekend. So I agree, it sounds like
Speaker 2: it's going to make the game more enjoyable for more people.
Speaker 2: And you know, the first that I have is, you know,
Speaker 2: if I'm weighing up two mid price in the preseason't
Speaker 2: pick them both and be hurt by both.
Speaker 5: So well, I've got a couple of questions before you
Speaker 5: can jump in, Before Dossie does does that mean everyone's like,
Speaker 5: we get more money? Is there more salary cap?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: How how does this fit in.
Speaker 1: Our Yeah, no, it's an excellent question. The salary cap
Speaker 1: will remain at ten million dollars, but because we're picking
Speaker 1: an extra player, every player's price will be adjusted slightly downwards.
Speaker 1: So just we'll have to get used to that. When
Speaker 1: the picker is open and we can look at players
Speaker 1: who we might normally see is a six hundred K guy,
Speaker 1: he might be five hundred and eighty thousand or something
Speaker 1: like that. And one I think I must say that
Speaker 1: when I first saw some of the communications going around
Speaker 1: about this is rookies priced under one hundred thousand times back.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't wait to pick, give you ninety
Speaker 1: nine K rookies on my bench.
Speaker 3: Tasty rule.
Speaker 4: In a world of inflation, everything going up. This is
Speaker 4: music to the year. Is a bit of a discount. Look,
Speaker 4: it might be artificially crowded with the extra position here,
Speaker 4: but we love to see a few discounts around the board.
Speaker 3: Tell go ahead, vance go.
Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank today as recording have held the cash
Speaker 2: rate officially as it is, but we're going down the hip.
Speaker 5: Pockets of super coaches around the country are rejoicing there's
Speaker 5: some increased discretionary income to go around. It's great, can't.
Speaker 2: Afford your house, but you can afford more players and
Speaker 2: super coach.
Speaker 5: I think it's sorry, Docy to cut you off yet again.
Speaker 5: Is there a flex position on the bench out or no.
Speaker 1: There's not, so yeah, that's what it's worth bearing your mind.
Speaker 1: So just thirty one in the squad, so your normal
Speaker 1: bench as it has been. And that means if your
Speaker 1: flex player is a zero, A, D and P, then
Speaker 1: you don't actually have any emergency cover for that, but
Speaker 1: they would effectively, I guess, be you're twenty third and
Speaker 1: they would drop out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so like if a Tom Dakarening, for example, just
Speaker 5: doesn't play just a big random just a player at random. Anyway, Sorry, Dossie,
Speaker 5: you're allowed. I'll permit you to speak now.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Well, I think for the hard cores, as you mentioned
Speaker 4: fans before, though, it is fantastic for being able to
Speaker 4: miss those. Yes, the Tom de Conning scores many people
Speaker 4: suffer to Tom Greeneye also suffered a few other scores
Speaker 4: along the way last season. Looking forward to those dropping
Speaker 4: out of my scores, but I think just the fact
Speaker 4: you can get that, you know, the flex position, that
Speaker 4: can be any position on the ground, It's going to
Speaker 4: open up a lot of different strategies for you know,
Speaker 4: the serious that the really hardcore people that focus a
Speaker 4: lot of their time and efforts. And I think, just
Speaker 4: from my perspective already, you know, focusing lots of time
Speaker 4: and effort this season, my thoughts immediately have turned to position.
Speaker 4: I dare to dream having a third of and that
Speaker 4: would be the ruck position. But I'm keen to hear
Speaker 4: some of the more deeper strategy thoughts perhaps later in
Speaker 4: the pod. But is there any other burning questions maybe
Speaker 4: out to get through before we kind of move on
Speaker 4: to the nitty gritty. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought the salary cap was a good one,
Speaker 1: so I thank you Petch for raising that. Can your
Speaker 1: flex be nominated as captain or voice kept it? Yes,
Speaker 1: they can, so they effectively treated like any other player.
Speaker 1: They can substitute on and off. DPP obviously comes into
Speaker 1: play if you've got a mid forward there, you can
Speaker 1: swap them around with other players, so you can pretty
Speaker 1: much do whatever you like there. I guess the only
Speaker 1: caveat to put on it is with best twenty two
Speaker 1: and this has been the case for best eighten scoring
Speaker 1: that we've had in the past as well. If your
Speaker 1: captain actually is not in your best eighteen scorers for
Speaker 1: the week or best twenty two now, then you don't
Speaker 1: get a captain score that week. You don't your vice
Speaker 1: captain doesn't automatically get doubled unless your captain is actually
Speaker 1: a zero. So that's just something to be very mind.
Speaker 1: Hopefully not something that will affect us too often during
Speaker 1: the season, but just a question that some people might have.
Speaker 1: But I think those were the key ones. Is there
Speaker 1: anything else that you need to know?
Speaker 2: We need to start playing. It's going to be there's
Speaker 2: a lot to take in. It's going to be a
Speaker 2: good thing. Are we going to think too much until
Speaker 2: we know? Last year and the changes have come over
Speaker 2: the past few years, the great changes to our great
Speaker 2: game of super coach make it more fun, more enjoyable,
Speaker 2: and a better experience. But sometimes we've overthought these changes
Speaker 2: in terms of strategy. Last year we went obviously opening
Speaker 2: round wasn't thrown on us a bit by the competition
Speaker 2: in the AFL. We overthought it a little bit. Maybe
Speaker 2: we might dial back what we do with our planning
Speaker 2: and players who do have those early season buys. Do
Speaker 2: you think we're going to overlook this flex Rualdosi, I
Speaker 2: know you've got some strong thoughts already, but I want
Speaker 2: to wait. Untee what happens over the preseason, see some prices,
Speaker 2: See what's happening over the competition, the community series, and
Speaker 2: the scratch matches, training notes will be all over. I
Speaker 2: think I want to see more of that before I
Speaker 2: go down a path of what I want to do
Speaker 2: with the flex position. You've got different theory already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just I think in terms of consistency
Speaker 4: of scoring, we always see our rucks performing quite well,
Speaker 4: and often we think, oh, I'd love to have another
Speaker 4: one of those guys on my field, and for me,
Speaker 4: you know, that was where my thought went. Now, I
Speaker 4: don't know whether that's starting with an extra one or
Speaker 4: whether that's you know, that spot's used for a bit
Speaker 4: of extra cash. Gen if we say have an extra
Speaker 4: midfield rookie as we often have, you know, in abundance,
Speaker 4: whether that's building that cash early, but I think late game,
Speaker 4: you know, it's going to be very interesting how we're
Speaker 4: going to use this this new position in strategy going
Speaker 4: forward and even the early game. As I mentioned, there's
Speaker 4: going to be lots of different ways to do this,
Speaker 4: you know, do you load up with an extra premium
Speaker 4: sort of early on in any position that you desire?
Speaker 4: Like I said, maybe ruck is that popular one because
Speaker 4: you've only got the two slots on field in general,
Speaker 4: But I think it does open up a world of possibilities.
Speaker 4: But yes, I think my attention did immediately turn to ruck.
Speaker 4: Did you have a different sort of opinion as to
Speaker 4: how you might use this early game or late game?
Speaker 1: I mean my thought was the same as you, JOSSI therefore,
Speaker 1: the perfect player for this would be a bargain ruck
Speaker 1: forward DPP type player. Now, are we actually going to
Speaker 1: get someone who that mold? That might be the tricky one.
Speaker 1: We've already seen the positions come out. There weren't a
Speaker 1: whole lot of Ruck forwards, I have to say, and
Speaker 1: none that jumped off the page. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I could go down to Luke Jackson Path
Speaker 1: again all the way from round one. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you know, in the old days, we used to
Speaker 1: get four rucks and you could sometimes you know, you
Speaker 1: had to make this difficult choice between you just spend
Speaker 1: up on the primos that because we know they score
Speaker 1: so well, or maybe there's a value ruck guy there,
Speaker 1: like a Lloyd Meek or somebody, and this could give
Speaker 1: you a bit of a chance to have, you know,
Speaker 1: a bit of a bit of a bet both ways.
Speaker 1: But is there a cheap ruck floating around that we
Speaker 1: think is going to fit that mold yet or obviously,
Speaker 1: as a fan says, a lot will play out over
Speaker 1: the preseason. But yeah, I can't think of a play
Speaker 1: that comes to mind that would exactly do that for us,
Speaker 1: but you know, we might get one, hopefully.
Speaker 2: I can see the great mind of Perhats ticking over
Speaker 2: a million miles an hour. He's thinking, he's planning already.
Speaker 2: He's listing to Dossie, is almost rolling eyes a little
Speaker 2: bit at Dosti because we know Dossie wants to pick
Speaker 2: Tom to conning at his fleet in the patch. What
Speaker 2: are your first thoughts?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I'm doing a great job of masking it,
Speaker 5: and it's just the old DVD screensaver. It's just bouncing
Speaker 5: around and every now and again, I think you caught
Speaker 5: me at a moment where it just h at the
Speaker 5: corner and there was a single thought and that's the
Speaker 5: first one I've had all day. But I think the
Speaker 5: fact that it gives us an extra player to start
Speaker 5: with means that that cash generation can really like boost up.
Speaker 5: And I'm still very unsure as to what it looks
Speaker 5: like late game or end of season. If we you know,
Speaker 5: it can pick someone who might have a really high
Speaker 5: ceiling but a really low floor. If that's say Shaye
Speaker 5: Bolton gets back to his best and he's pumping out
Speaker 5: a one sixty one week and of forty the next week,
Speaker 5: and the forty is mitigated by the fact that it's
Speaker 5: best twenty two, or if we go for a rock
Speaker 5: or target a position, I think that's very much going
Speaker 5: to come out in the wash. And I'm not thinking
Speaker 5: too much about that yet. But more starting side, you know,
Speaker 5: do you go an extra rookie and go you know,
Speaker 5: uber guns and primos because you're trying to save that
Speaker 5: little bit more cash and you load up, say in
Speaker 5: the back line, or load up somewhere else, or if
Speaker 5: that then means you can play around with a instead
Speaker 5: of having you know, in your side last year, if
Speaker 5: you wanted to have say like two mid prices. If
Speaker 5: you wanted to have someone like a Perramid and a
Speaker 5: coming this year, but we're worried about missing out on
Speaker 5: defensive rookies, you might not miss out on those rookies
Speaker 5: this year because you've got that extra spot to slide
Speaker 5: them into. So I think that gives a lot more
Speaker 5: flexibility to go deeper in some lines to start with.
Speaker 5: And then you know whether or not that is to
Speaker 5: go with a massive primo yet massive primo, or with
Speaker 5: a couple more cheaper guys that are more value that
Speaker 5: you can then offload later in the season. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'll need to see it and actually play around with
Speaker 5: them before I can make that call. But that's where
Speaker 5: my brain is currently, you know, worming it over. And
Speaker 5: then also, if we're upgrading to twenty three on field
Speaker 5: primos plus anyone on the bench, you know, how does
Speaker 5: that affect the trading pattern? Does that mean you need
Speaker 5: to kind of slow down and conserve trades more. He'd
Speaker 5: be a bit smarter with them compared to the last
Speaker 5: couple of years where you know, we've had more trades,
Speaker 5: we've had boosters been go go go early season. Does
Speaker 5: it slow it down or does it speed it up
Speaker 5: even more. That's I know there's a lot of water
Speaker 5: to go under the bridge. I know, very excited to
Speaker 5: playground with it.
Speaker 1: Phantom in the past has been a fan of the
Speaker 1: twenty third Primo and up until an hour has been
Speaker 1: to try and get an extra one maybe floater sitting
Speaker 1: on the bench. But is that now your your flex guy.
Speaker 2: Twenty four primos. Yeah, I do like there. I think
Speaker 2: the way we do it is going to change over
Speaker 2: the year, and I'm interested to get there and see
Speaker 2: what we do. But I don't mind. I like patches
Speaker 2: thinking about you know, he talked about coming, talked about
Speaker 2: Harry Perryman, but you know our man over here now
Speaker 2: we have claimed him. And I was a bit torn
Speaker 2: yesterday when I saw James Peeling absolutely crunch my other man,
Speaker 2: Jordan Smoky Dawson at training. But he looks very good.
Speaker 2: He's got the bucket hat. Hon, he's flying out there
Speaker 2: on the track down at West Lakes. You know you
Speaker 2: pick him again in the midfield and then yeah, you're
Speaker 2: not sacrificing on those midfield rookies where we know the
Speaker 2: cash gin comes and the points give put an extra
Speaker 2: one in that flex vision like pack patch mentioned there,
Speaker 2: So I understand the rug thought, but I don't mind
Speaker 2: thinking that it gives you a bit more flexibility. You
Speaker 2: can have a bit more of a punt and not
Speaker 2: you know, not sacrifice that extra cash gin.
Speaker 5: And I feel like picking a ruck as well really
Speaker 5: locks you into that strategy, especially if you do it early,
Speaker 5: because if you decide to go elsewhere, it's very hard
Speaker 5: you'd have to offload one of those rucks or on
Speaker 5: the bench. But I know, yeah, it may well be
Speaker 5: the go because you know, you look last year we
Speaker 5: all wanted Cherry and Grundy and Gorne and then we
Speaker 5: want to Grundy out of there for someone else. But
Speaker 5: you know, that way you can have three of them.
Speaker 5: But do you lock yourself in? Do you? Yeah? And
Speaker 5: I just don't like trading in the rucks. I'm just
Speaker 5: getting it out of the way early in the twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five season, my anti ruck trading ranch. He's done.
Speaker 5: It's in the books. Mark it off the agenda.
Speaker 2: That's v DOSSI.
Speaker 4: With this sex your player jumping off as well, And
Speaker 4: you know, you get an extra kind of crack at
Speaker 4: having a decent probably rookie score, you know, out of
Speaker 4: a couple of rookies that that may drop off.
Speaker 3: Out of your score there.
Speaker 4: Do we think maybe this also assists us if we
Speaker 4: want to start an extra mid pricer or an extra
Speaker 4: premium from those early buy rounds as well, Like, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe a bit of less risk to start with the
Speaker 4: Callum Mills who does have the.
Speaker 3: Round three buyer, or a Kitty Coleman.
Speaker 4: You could maybe test your luck on a couple of those,
Speaker 4: knowing that they won't score early in the season. You
Speaker 4: still have that sort of fallback on field that you're
Speaker 4: not going to get a shocker of a score if
Speaker 4: you know you do happen to buy one of those
Speaker 4: bullets early.
Speaker 1: What's best? We think all these rules will be confirmed
Speaker 1: when the picker and everything opens, But if it's best
Speaker 1: eighteen again in the buy rounds, you'll be now getting
Speaker 1: best eighteen of thirty one players rather than have thirty.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it does. It does potentially give you some
Speaker 1: more more cover there, especially if it's in a round
Speaker 1: two or round three where we're hoping all your rookie
Speaker 1: he's a plane and you might only need two or
Speaker 1: three of them to go well and the rest don't
Speaker 1: count anyway, So yeah, that could be. That's a good
Speaker 1: point because round three looking at the fixture is going
Speaker 1: to be really tricky when you've got all those Brisbane
Speaker 1: guys and you know Nick Dacos is in there as well,
Speaker 1: and you know that that could be one where you're
Speaker 1: starting to worry how many you've got. But this might
Speaker 1: give you an extra little bit of cover.
Speaker 3: Dossie just thinking ahead, thinking way ahead of the pack
Speaker 3: as usual their fans.
Speaker 2: But a light year for nothing, light years ahead. But
Speaker 2: could you I don't know, could you even go You'd
Speaker 2: be taking a risk because you don't want to lose
Speaker 2: that cash gen. But can you go for another premium
Speaker 2: because and you can you don't need to worry about
Speaker 2: the on field scoring of those rookies much so you
Speaker 2: can go a bit cheaper. I know you wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to destroy your early season cash gen by picking the
Speaker 2: you know, the rookies that might not score as well
Speaker 2: as your top picks in the midfield. Let's say, but
Speaker 2: do you pick three or four guys sub hundred k
Speaker 2: take a few hits because you can't afford that extra
Speaker 2: premium because you don't need the extra score in your
Speaker 2: field compared to what everyone else has so plenty of
Speaker 2: talk about plenty of water to go under the bridge,
Speaker 2: plenty of preseason action to watch, plenty of parted to
Speaker 2: go over.
Speaker 1: I think last year in those by rounds, and the
Speaker 1: players with the highest ceilings were the ones. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: the coaches got rewarded if you had the right ones. Obviously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sort of going for value didn't necessarily work out because
Speaker 1: you just wanted the guys who were pumping out one fifty.
Speaker 1: So if you can find a way to get an
Speaker 1: extra one of them, yep. But then, like you say,
Speaker 1: you might be robbing Peter to pay Paul if you.
Speaker 4: Rookie, you're thinking guns and rookies an other way to
Speaker 4: go early days out, that's with.
Speaker 2: An extra rookie.
Speaker 1: That was kind of my lesson from last year.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I'm building on that. I'm wondering, you know,
Speaker 5: there'll be roughly what price decreasing. Does that mean that
Speaker 5: there's ten percent more money to be made on these
Speaker 5: cheaper rookies compared to last year because they've got a
Speaker 5: lower starting price. Does that means that you know that'll
Speaker 5: affect break evens? This is apparently the bumper rookie crop
Speaker 5: the draft you know tw end All drafts. Does that
Speaker 5: mean we we can trust these rookies more and will
Speaker 5: be rewarded more for it? Is that where we could
Speaker 5: be going with this as well? Where it does really
Speaker 5: you know, you crunch all your cash into as many
Speaker 5: you know, whether or not that's you know, heaps of
Speaker 5: mid prices. If it's like a few really like concentrated
Speaker 5: and thought out uber primos, does that mean we have
Speaker 5: more scope to make more cash this year and it'll
Speaker 5: just be come middle of the year, will be just
Speaker 5: Scrooge mc ducking it up.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, Well, crunch some numbers on that it's not
Speaker 1: quite a ten percent gain that it's only maybe three percent?
Speaker 5: I think, No, okay, well never mind then, So I
Speaker 5: was like a.
Speaker 1: One seventeen K rookie might be one hundred and thirteen
Speaker 1: K something like that.
Speaker 5: Okay, I just had dollar signs in my eyes, dreaming
Speaker 5: wistfully of being rich one day. Maybe probably not.
Speaker 4: Well, plenty more to go across in the in the
Speaker 4: coming weeks, and I know in future episodes we'll ask,
Speaker 4: we'll answer, sorry, a lot more of your questions, and
Speaker 4: you know, on the socials as well, we'll be across
Speaker 4: this This is the sort of the official announcement on
Speaker 4: the podcast of the flex position. So if you do
Speaker 4: have any questions, make sure you get across the socials
Speaker 4: and also for next next week we'll be doing more
Speaker 4: podcasts then, So if you do have any further questions,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure we can touch on all those and
Speaker 4: interested to know how the community will be also thinking
Speaker 4: about these strategies and where their thoughts are to start with,
Speaker 4: how they think of starting, how they think of finishing
Speaker 4: the team.
Speaker 3: It's all very good info, fans.
Speaker 2: And it is very good info, and I know Patch
Speaker 2: is excited, I'm excited out keeping everything pretty close to
Speaker 2: his chest. But give us something now. Is it very soon?
Speaker 2: Is it soon? Is it not very soon? Are we
Speaker 2: close to the team picka? We know that's the place,
Speaker 2: because it's not December twenty five? Is whenever the team
Speaker 2: Piger opens.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it won't. Yeah, you don't have to wait
Speaker 1: till Christmas.
Speaker 5: So if you could give me a number on how
Speaker 5: soon it is between say, you know, eleven and twenty five,
Speaker 5: hypothetically somewhere in.
Speaker 2: There yeah between maybe Okay.
Speaker 1: Not playoff, not far off. We're just doing, you know,
Speaker 1: ticking some final boxes and it'll be great to get
Speaker 1: it out there.
Speaker 5: And speaking of not far off as well, we do
Speaker 5: get the chance to play with it before the AFL
Speaker 5: team pick of launchers because super Coach BBL has the
Speaker 5: flex position this year and you know, playing around with
Speaker 5: your team there, have you noticed anything from from Supercoach
Speaker 5: BBL that you can translate across just yet, because I'm
Speaker 5: excited to play around with BBL this year, A lot,
Speaker 5: a lot of it for the flex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm literally putting an artist together to go out
Speaker 1: the next couple of days with you know, how are
Speaker 1: people treating flex? And I've sent an email out to
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who really know their stuff and
Speaker 1: I've got to think about six replies back and they've
Speaker 1: all got different people in there and doing it different ways,
Speaker 1: so which is going to be great. But yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: sort of have to and like you say, it's a
Speaker 1: good chance to test it out a bit and see
Speaker 1: what happens and they will hopefully give us a few
Speaker 1: pointers to what we do when AFL rolls around. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll be good fun to play with.
Speaker 5: If you haven't signed up, signed.
Speaker 2: Up, my email must be still coming through our still
Speaker 2: waiting for it. I'll give you a reply though, if
Speaker 2: you want to. My team's looking pretty good. I showed
Speaker 2: Dossi before he asked me how does he pick a team?
Speaker 2: So I had to give him a few pointers the
Speaker 2: NBL Super Coach Specialist Dossi. But BBL very excited coming
Speaker 2: up in a couple of days. I think it's good
Speaker 2: with the flex as well. In BBL different because we
Speaker 2: play the fixture. There are buyers, there are double games.
Speaker 2: You can sort of hide your players a little bit,
Speaker 2: there's not as much need to trade them out. But
Speaker 2: different ballgame, but a fun one. If you haven't signed up,
Speaker 2: Like Pat said, get on there and do it. And
Speaker 2: now it all starts on the weekend.
Speaker 4: Cannot wait, I think before we sort of close it out,
Speaker 4: you know, as I said, stay tuned and next week
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Speaker 4: find all the Super Coach AFL content this year on
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Speaker 4: you don't mind. But let's just talk some actual nitty
Speaker 4: gritty players before we head off. Now, I know our
Speaker 4: you've been keeping track of a lot of track watch notes.
Speaker 4: I've also got some notes here from good friend of
Speaker 4: the show. I'll shout him out a bit later, but
Speaker 4: Jordan made of mind very couple of very high finishes
Speaker 4: in super Coach. He's also been compiling all his track
Speaker 4: notes from around around the Twitter sphere and also looking
Speaker 4: at all our great articles here.
Speaker 3: But our do you have it?
Speaker 4: Just a couple of notes and I'll finish them off
Speaker 4: with some of these notes from Jordan to center.
Speaker 1: My boy, Yeah, I've got I mean, I've been got
Speaker 1: a document going and it's done get a bit and
Speaker 1: wildy already and we're in the early December. But there's
Speaker 1: a few that caught my early on. I thought, I
Speaker 1: think a club that has been very supergoch relevant last
Speaker 1: couple of seasons and we'll definitely be again in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five is North Melbourne. And the name that we're
Speaker 1: keen to see and just doing everything that we want
Speaker 1: to see at this stage is Caleb Daniel looks fantastic
Speaker 1: says he's happy just slotting in a half back at
Speaker 1: the Kangaroos in some of their matches, and so that's
Speaker 1: just made me a very happy man leading into Christmas.
Speaker 1: Some of the other names there, Kbby mcckirche and Harry
Speaker 1: Chees will both been full time midfield Tom Powell floating
Speaker 1: around the half back line, which is the potentially juicy
Speaker 1: you are very dangerous Fino Sullivan maybe on a wing
Speaker 1: to start, which is maybe not exactly what we want
Speaker 1: from a midfield rookie type. But yeah, some you know
Speaker 1: we're going to be picking plenty of Kangaroos. I think
Speaker 1: again next season, any anyone else there that we should
Speaker 1: be aware of, Dossi or fans, who do you like?
Speaker 1: Down at Arden Street, I'll.
Speaker 2: Be that happening. I think we'll be happening over here
Speaker 2: in SA I quickly jump in. We know Sid Draper
Speaker 2: is flying. We're spoken about him already impressing down there
Speaker 2: at West Lakes. You it'd be hard to see him
Speaker 2: not in that round one side if all continues to
Speaker 2: go on that path. So it's going to be one
Speaker 2: to look at when the preseason matches roll around. But
Speaker 2: one to keep an eye on. Labeled bit of a
Speaker 2: still in the draft that Port Adelaide Christian Marius, the
Speaker 2: Victorian kids come across and another friend of the show,
Speaker 2: friend of the laire five names sim and Kingsley Thomas
Speaker 2: Wilson has been down on the albut and he noted
Speaker 2: the other day came back was pretty excited. He said,
Speaker 2: Marius has already been impressing. And then last week as
Speaker 2: all the other draftees sat on the side and were
Speaker 2: guided through what was happening and talked about what was
Speaker 2: happening on the field, he was on the field with
Speaker 2: the rest of the squad participating in some half field
Speaker 2: match him. So they do like what he's doing down
Speaker 2: there at Port. We know Ken Hinckley isn't afraid to
Speaker 2: give these guys a crack and throw the youngsters in
Speaker 2: there in the deep end straight away. So one to
Speaker 2: keep an eye. I think when we get some games,
Speaker 2: when we get some internal trials happening in the new year.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Crows briefly there fans, there's going to
Speaker 1: be plenty of interests there as well. Sidre Per obviously
Speaker 1: your boy already, but what about Pete Ling Obviously he said,
Speaker 1: is looking good Dan Curtain now playing midfield or is
Speaker 1: he forward? What's he going to do as a potential
Speaker 1: rookie option? And Isac Cummings the other one who I'm
Speaker 1: very interested in coming across from GWS's mead only which
Speaker 1: initially put me off, but now, as you've pointed out
Speaker 1: with flex, maybe that opens the door again to sorry coming. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: he us it mid in super coach, but we think
Speaker 1: you'll probably play defense for the Crows. Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yep? Yep?
Speaker 2: Should sid him back. They're looking very lean as well
Speaker 2: at training, so he's definitely going to be one to
Speaker 2: watch Petling again. We've spoken about this tackle on Jordan Dawson.
Speaker 2: You haven't seen it, codsports dot com you five names?
Speaker 3: Was there?
Speaker 2: He's everywhere, DOSSI five names. He was down at Richmond
Speaker 2: Oes today watching James Peteling takeout Jordan Dawson. But they've
Speaker 2: been very intense. He's almost led an increase in intensity
Speaker 2: James Petling down there at the Crows over summer. So
Speaker 2: he wasn't one I was initially interested in super coach
Speaker 2: depending on what They've got a lot to go through there,
Speaker 2: but I think he's really hit the ground running, So
Speaker 2: he's come up a little bit in my watch list.
Speaker 2: Dan Curtin Doss, You've been talking about him in the office.
Speaker 2: I'm just worried what they do with him. I know
Speaker 2: he's been all over the shot finished forward, he's a
Speaker 2: forwarding supercoach. Is the big bodied midfielder long term? Maybe
Speaker 2: when does that start or does he go back like
Speaker 2: he did in the Waffle.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just big on second year breakouts and I
Speaker 4: can't wait to talk breakouts.
Speaker 3: In the new year at some point.
Speaker 4: But you know, there's always the bigger, big thing about
Speaker 4: third year breakout. But for me, I'm always looking at
Speaker 4: those second year breakouts, particularly for guys that didn't get
Speaker 4: a full opportunity in the first year. If you've had
Speaker 4: a ripping first year, it's always quite hard to know
Speaker 4: go to the next level unless you are a Nick
Speaker 4: dacos Ra Harry Shechesel, for instance. But for a guy
Speaker 4: like Curtin who just really struggled in that first year
Speaker 4: with both injury and form, I think looking at him
Speaker 4: in year two, if he has a big preseason, regardless
Speaker 4: of what Roly has, his price is just going to
Speaker 4: be amazingly cheap.
Speaker 3: Next year.
Speaker 4: Given that his average we talked about it last week,
Speaker 4: I think it was in the in the low thirties
Speaker 4: due to all the subs and whatever. So if he's
Speaker 4: playing mid, if he's playing forward, if he's just in
Speaker 4: the team, I think he's just definitely one that we
Speaker 4: can watch.
Speaker 2: Yep, what about Josh Smiley over there? Punt rode out
Speaker 2: is pushing the bigger bodies around already.
Speaker 5: You're going down on Friday to watch him in person,
Speaker 5: aren't you?
Speaker 1: Yes, I am so. I was trying to take take
Speaker 1: some video footage and we'll see that with people. But
Speaker 1: I think he will be easy to spot because he
Speaker 1: just he looks absolutely massive. It's crazy that he's playing
Speaker 1: as a midfielder. So yeah, he's definitely the standard of
Speaker 1: the kids, especially given quite a few of them are
Speaker 1: going to be managed coming back from injury. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think of the of the Richmond rookies draftees, he's
Speaker 1: definitely the one to watch what Tom lynches up to
Speaker 1: his will because he's likely to be very cheap. But
Speaker 1: every year you keep doing it, you're going to be
Speaker 1: cheap enough. Our Well, we'll find out soon, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I'll be potentially tempted if but you know,
Speaker 1: we have to see him picked in round one, so
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fair way off, but you know
Speaker 1: it's currently I think he's on track, but.
Speaker 5: I'll go get the flash one just like.
Speaker 1: Well, the other one of the tempt we saw just
Speaker 1: breaking news today was Finley McCrae dominating match SIMI, what
Speaker 1: do you think of that?
Speaker 3: Patch?
Speaker 1: We could pick two mccrays.
Speaker 5: We could pick two mccray's, and I won't. I won't.
Speaker 5: I'd rather Tom Powell than fin McCrae again, but you know,
Speaker 5: we've yeah.
Speaker 4: Story every year, every year, dominant in the preseason, never
Speaker 4: really gets the crack.
Speaker 2: Between did also mention a big rap for Ed Allen
Speaker 2: as well, the w A draft from a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago as one to watch and when asked about
Speaker 2: who's going to break out at Collingwood in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: so Ed Allen one to watch four over the preseason.
Speaker 5: Anch of those guys that are kind of a bit
Speaker 5: cheaper that, you know, Nathan Driscoll coming back from a
Speaker 5: lot of injury under two hundred K. I'm interested in
Speaker 5: the giants, you know, like James Leake didn't play at
Speaker 5: all last year in his first year. You know, a
Speaker 5: lot of a lot of holes in that giant side.
Speaker 5: I'm interested to see who who slides in there. And
Speaker 5: looking at port Adelaide Jason Horn Francis obviously you know,
Speaker 5: got that Ford eligibility. Very interested in how he goes.
Speaker 5: Rory Atkins won the time trial.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 5: We were rat We can't we I don't know. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying no, not yet. Rather him than Finlay McCrae
Speaker 5: at this stage.
Speaker 2: Was what about is that who you've got a picture
Speaker 2: of behind you in your new studio setup. I saw
Speaker 2: our squinting before, couldn't work out what the hell you've
Speaker 2: done to the wall here in the lair You've taken
Speaker 2: it over. What's he going to do this year?
Speaker 4: Ah, He's going to have an outstanding year. He's going
Speaker 4: to be amazing. Look, I'm waiting for the first track
Speaker 4: watch notes of him coming out our surely not far
Speaker 4: around the corner. But these are a few more notes
Speaker 4: from Jordi. Just this is the amount of attention that people,
Speaker 4: our super coach community is already paying to the AFL preseason.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. He's already talking about Callum Mills jacked. He's
Speaker 4: flagging inside roll. There's been some talk about Dean Cox
Speaker 4: as well with his positional changes. We've already heard lots
Speaker 4: of different things. There was a Nick Newman training with
Speaker 4: the midfielders. I don't know if that might have even
Speaker 4: been a very em Chloe that was sort of there.
Speaker 4: Looking at a few of those things, we've seen one
Speaker 4: that I'm very interested in, So there's plenty to talk about.
Speaker 4: Obviously I won't go through every single one. I know
Speaker 4: Liam Baker at half back from my mighty West Coast Eagles,
Speaker 4: that is something that's certainly of interest given believe he's
Speaker 4: got the forward status this year as we sold out,
Speaker 4: so he's one that we're looking at. One that I
Speaker 4: really am interested in talking about these breakouts. Caleb Windsor
Speaker 4: training with the defenders by a few reports as well
Speaker 4: coming out and this is one from Jeordi de Center,
Speaker 4: high finisher multiple years in a row in super Coach.
Speaker 4: He's one that he's got his eyes very close on,
Speaker 4: So shout out to him, and shout to all the
Speaker 4: track watchers out there as well, official and not official,
Speaker 4: there's plenty of them around the place. But how did
Speaker 4: you have any more that you've had.
Speaker 1: The other one of these, obviously that the photographers are
Speaker 1: all over when he showed up for a preseason was
Speaker 1: Clayton Oliver waiting Elie to see where he will be priced,
Speaker 1: But it will be a lot cheaper than he has
Speaker 1: been the last few years. Fans in the early thoughts on.
Speaker 2: Clary definitely a watch. Definitely a watch if he gets
Speaker 2: through and has a good sum. I mean, that's we
Speaker 2: know that didn't happen last year hugely interrupted, someone was
Speaker 2: playing catch up then maybe was he played out of
Speaker 2: position as a result a little bit probably, So at
Speaker 2: the price, you know, it's not even about money really
Speaker 2: with Clayton Olive. If we see him continue and get
Speaker 2: consistency through January February and he's playing in those precon
Speaker 2: games and he's playing well, then he looms is a
Speaker 2: big pod because some people won't go there again, but
Speaker 2: we know what he can do. He's one of the
Speaker 2: best coach scorers in the game when up and going,
Speaker 2: so he's going to hopefully get there eventually. But it's
Speaker 2: definitely high on the watch list. Harry Sharp, one of
Speaker 2: your boys also crossed down from Brisbane. Is there a
Speaker 2: wing spot potentially available. They do have some good ones.
Speaker 2: If Caleb Winter does go back, does that open up
Speaker 2: for ours boy? Harry Sharp?
Speaker 1: But the time trial, ye, he doesn't.
Speaker 3: He that's true.
Speaker 1: He's a been a specialist.
Speaker 2: Now we know Doss has got lots of boy he's
Speaker 2: not sure how many he's going to have this year,
Speaker 2: but my boy, it didn't feature last year. Very strange one.
Speaker 2: Now I reckon he's going to be cheap. I hasn't.
Speaker 2: We hope to find out very soon. But will Brody
Speaker 2: over at the dock as if something happens with that
Speaker 2: midfield mix, if something opens up, we know he can score.
Speaker 2: It was weird how he's overlooked. We all know his
Speaker 2: deficiencies and they've it's always been that way. But we
Speaker 2: saw his strengths on show a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: He was good for free Man's midfield. My hope is
Speaker 2: that he does get another chance to come back in
Speaker 2: there and he could be one that could pop up
Speaker 2: again in Super Coach, given it's going to be a
Speaker 2: heavily discounted price.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting what about that the bombers patched in your
Speaker 1: neck of the woods. I saw a sad l Wholey
Speaker 1: doing very nicely in the preseason that he'll be a
Speaker 1: big rookie.
Speaker 5: Watch he'll be my first pick. My second pick could
Speaker 5: be Zach Merritt, and then throw the rest away. Don't
Speaker 5: want to not.
Speaker 1: Maybe Dylan Shield trialing across half back.
Speaker 5: He'll be all be releasing VFL super coach next year.
Speaker 5: That if so, then maybe I'll take a look. But
Speaker 5: I'm not we'll be rivaling for the spoon next year.
Speaker 5: I'm calling it nice and early. I'm just popular popping
Speaker 5: a pin in the balloon. Will be bad, will be
Speaker 5: real bad. It might be exciting at times, but we
Speaker 5: will not be good at football, and maybe that's good
Speaker 5: opportunity wise, Archie Roberts, if you look at the second
Speaker 5: year breakout, I'd be very interested. The price will be awful,
Speaker 5: but particularly for draft, he'll be one that probably slides
Speaker 5: a bit and I'd be very interested in a piece
Speaker 5: of his action. But otherwise there's very little I think
Speaker 5: at Essendon at this stage.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got plenty, plenty, plenty.
Speaker 4: Of super coach still to talk about in the coming weeks.
Speaker 4: Make sure you continue to stick around. I think we
Speaker 4: want I want to close out because we know obviously
Speaker 4: how you've been teasing platform not far not far away.
Speaker 4: Of course, we're waiting for that to come around. What
Speaker 4: Patch just mentioned his first pick? Can we go our
Speaker 4: top three first picks in your mind? Who you think
Speaker 4: you'll be? You'll be iron off when things open up.
Speaker 4: I'll start with you out. You look shocked to hear
Speaker 4: that question, and you look aout no, So let's go
Speaker 4: to you first.
Speaker 1: Tom n No, I get that flash as where I will?
Speaker 1: I think Caleb Daniels the clear number one. He's playing
Speaker 1: half back for the King. I mean, whoever plays part
Speaker 1: back for the Kangaroos is you pretty much want to
Speaker 1: pick him? And we know what he can do and
Speaker 1: he's going to be cheap, so we'll find out exactly
Speaker 1: how cheap very soon. But yeah, I like him a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean all those ex bull Dogs, Bailey Smith is
Speaker 1: going to be I assume in most people's teams with
Speaker 1: mid forward pretty well discounted after a year out. So
Speaker 1: I like him. And then you know you've got Jack
Speaker 1: McCray as well, So why don't I just go with
Speaker 1: the three X boys?
Speaker 3: Perfect?
Speaker 1: But that's all looking for value, and like I said,
Speaker 1: maybe we don't want too many of those guys. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll be something to to think about. But yeah, very
Speaker 1: very tempted to buy them.
Speaker 4: Alion Patch, go your three if you if you've already
Speaker 4: got those three, you've got to pick three new ones.
Speaker 5: Put me on the spot, Jack McCrae and McCray, Craig McCrae, Yeah,
Speaker 5: lock me in, Lock it in, Eddie, Yes, Sardel Hawley
Speaker 5: is probably the first one. Yeah, I'm not allowed to
Speaker 5: say Caleb Daniel anymore, so I get I'm really intrigued
Speaker 5: by Perryman. I'm not sure if he's going to be
Speaker 5: there by round one, but I think he'll be in
Speaker 5: that first iteration to see if I can squeeze him in,
Speaker 5: and then we'll look at Yeah. Look, probably Zach Merrit,
Speaker 5: based on how many early games esn'ton, will unjustifiably be
Speaker 5: handed on Thursdays and Friday nights, so he'll be a
Speaker 5: very good VC option.
Speaker 2: So I can't pick Caleb because I'll be picking him
Speaker 2: as well. But the Horny one man Jason Horn, Francis
Speaker 2: Sid Draper and my other man, George Ward.
Speaker 3: Look beautiful. That's that's three unit picks.
Speaker 5: Couldn't couldn't go Caleb Danney also go the other recruiting.
Speaker 5: Jack Darling is locked in.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 4: Jagger Smith best rookie of the class my opinion. Unfortunately
Speaker 4: West Coast traded him away. Harley Reid my boys second year,
Speaker 4: absolute massive breakout. And then finally I'm just going to
Speaker 4: lock away the bond. Have you guys seen that he's
Speaker 4: got the flowing locks. He's up there in the time trial.
Speaker 4: He's already the best super coach player going around. Break
Speaker 4: out your one third plus for the great man this year. No,
Speaker 4: I you know, I think I started with him last
Speaker 4: year and I didn't look back, So I might have
Speaker 4: to just lock him the big dog again.
Speaker 2: Uncovering the gems. I love to see him flying.
Speaker 3: It was my first three picks.
Speaker 1: Line went straight to the other day you guys had
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're talking, you know, primo primos is
Speaker 1: Tristan Cherry one this year? Next year, I.
Speaker 2: Think he has to be what he did dominant, dominant.
Speaker 2: We know the dominant ruckman. But again, there's not many
Speaker 2: ruckmen in the competition that have backed it up in
Speaker 2: the past. Not saying last year, but it looks like
Speaker 2: a pretty bulletproof super Coach game for Tristan Cherry. You
Speaker 2: could see how Tim English could be stopped around the ground,
Speaker 2: how that would affect his super Coach scoring. But it's
Speaker 2: hard to stop Tristan Cherry where he scored super coach points.
Speaker 5: So good luck. That's that's not going to wind well
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 1: North didn't bring in any any extra rock support or anything, did.
Speaker 3: They looming large.
Speaker 2: Before?
Speaker 1: When you watch out that on us just to leave
Speaker 1: with I.
Speaker 3: Reckon, we'll wrap it up there.
Speaker 1: Ou absolutely, you know that's been awesome, Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just exciting news. You know, as we've just
Speaker 1: figured out, there's plenty to talk about it. Lots is
Speaker 1: going to flush out with and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear how people enjoy the flex and as Patch said,
Speaker 1: you know, get into it in the in the BBL
Speaker 1: and then once we start getting the chance to get
Speaker 1: in and play around with it with super co JFL
Speaker 1: and see what people can do with it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: ideally it will make the game a little bit easier,
Speaker 1: a little bit less stressful and chaotic for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and create a hold of a new strategy discussions,
Speaker 1: which of course we love to do.
Speaker 3: Fancy had one more thing, not.
Speaker 2: Well done, just well done to our I do like it.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. Can't wait for the team
Speaker 2: pick and not December eleven, not December twelve, but not
Speaker 2: December twenty five either, DOSSI so somewhere in between. Patch
Speaker 2: and I are excited. It's going to be a big year.
Speaker 3: Let's go Yank