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Speaker 1: part two of the conversation between Josh Pittterman and Bianca

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Speaker 1: Chatfield and myself from behind the mask Josh's show. We're

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Speaker 1: doing a bit of a co share here on the

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Speaker 1: You Project. This is part two. If you haven't enjoyed,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't enjoyed, if you haven't listened apart one,

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Speaker 1: you might want to backtrack, but it probably doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: because they're different topics and different conversations. But anyway, here's

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Speaker 1: the second bit. Enjoy You know what's interesting about what

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Speaker 1: the ankle was talking about, which was that kind of

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Speaker 1: where they sit in front of a group that's really

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Speaker 1: metacognition is thinking about thinking and then so that's a

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Speaker 1: from there is called theory of mind, which is you

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Speaker 1: understanding how other people think. So that's the you understanding

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Speaker 2: And addict to not having it. Yeah, so you understand

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Speaker 1: But when you understand, like how someone else thinks, it's

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Speaker 1: I went from yeah, like completely unhealthy and unfit to obsessed.

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Speaker 2: there is nothing and talk about that feeling of bliss

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Speaker 2: that I was talking about that and under it is

433
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: that on roids, But what it costs me for the

434
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: other twenty one hours of the day is a hell

435
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: of a lot of sacrifice.

436
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: What about you the idea versus the reality?

437
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I often hear other athletes say this,

438
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 4: and especially at the recent Olympics. Most people say this

439
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: when they win their goal better and it's exactly what

440
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: I felt was that when you finally do it and

441
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: as a team you achieved that success that you thought

442
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 4: you wanted so much, it's just a huge amount of

443
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: relief that you actually have done it, that you can

444
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 4: tick it off. I've done it, But you're exhausted by

445
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: it and you often have these big come down afterwards

446
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 4: because you no longer have that same connection with everybody

447
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 4: that you're doing it together, and you're trying to work

448
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 4: through what you're going to get to, you know, get

449
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 4: to that final game to win that gold medal or

450
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 4: win that premiership, and then it becomes quite overwhelming. I

451
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 4: think the exhaustion of it all exactly what you were

452
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 4: talking about, that the cost of it all to drive

453
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: you to that success. And when I reflect on the

454
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: moments that I remember most from my career, it is

455
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 4: never the moments of when you actually win it, or

456
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 4: the moments of getting your medal or you know, the

457
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: premiership celebrations. You remember the dumb moments that happen as

458
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 4: a team, when you're preparing, when you're in the change rooms,

459
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 4: when you're being as you know, immature, with everybody mucking

460
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 4: around it. They're the special moments that you really love.

461
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 4: But the version of success that when you finally get there,

462
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, for me, it was always just really oh,

463
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 4: I can stop banging on about that and you know,

464
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 4: wanting to get that because I finally got it. And

465
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: it takes your while to then find that next driver

466
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 4: that's going to take you forward, what's going to actually

467
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: allow you to put all that energy and effort into something.

468
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: It takes a while to kind of sort that out.

469
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 4: I think within my own body what I want to

470
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Speaker 4: do next and what I'm prepared to drive myself forward with.

471
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Speaker 2: Did you ever take moments actually to clock that this

472
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: is I'm in relief and not in celebration and actually

473
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Speaker 2: celebrate it.

474
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 4: Well, I think when I got to the like my

475
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: last four or five years. That was when I was

476
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: actually so much more aware of everything and aware that, oh,

477
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 4: I'd really wanted to do this. I haven't been able

478
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: to do this my whole career, and I've finally been

479
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: able to do it and enjoy it with the people

480
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: around me. But that did take to the end of

481
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 4: my career, and I reckon. I look back now on

482
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: my career as an athlete, and I'm so much more

483
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: prouder of myself than what I ever was when I

484
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 4: was in the moments, And even when I finished, it

485
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 4: took me a few years to be like, oh, bloody hell,

486
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 4: I did that. And now I love the fact that

487
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 4: I've done that for myself and that I can acknowledge that,

488
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 4: because I just don't think you ever have. Well, I

489
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 4: didn't have the space mentally to be able to ever

490
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 4: look at it like that, because it was always what's next,

491
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: what's next?

492
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Speaker 2: I have to do next? You regret not celebrating those

493
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: moments more? Would you advise people to actually sit in

494
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: the celebration.

495
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: If you can.

496
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: Regreat celebrating I don't know.

497
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 3: I don't regret it.

498
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel fortunate that I've got all these

499
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 4: teammates who are beautiful friends of mine. We're all still

500
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 4: so close and even now now we've gone through life

501
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: of having babies and going through all and it's always

502
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: your teammates, your old teammates that you go back to

503
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 4: in those moments because they know what it's like or

504
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 4: they've been through it before you and they passed down

505
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: all their.

506
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 3: Knowledge to you.

507
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 4: And you know that's They're the special group of people

508
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: that we always will talk about the good times that

509
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 4: it happened and the moments that we did stuff together.

510
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 4: So that's where I love being part of a team sport,

511
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: and I have all these amazing teammates that I can

512
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 4: continue to have those conversations in connection with.

513
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: Guys, I asked you to bring in a quote. You've

514
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: got a little something that you might have.

515
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: A writer from the early nineenth century. Her name was Anasni,

516
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: and she said, and she was I think this is

517
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: in a couple of theological texts as well, but she said,

518
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: we don't see things as they are, We see things

519
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: as we are yea, which is really kind of in

520
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: line with what we're talking about today, and especially the

521
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: mind stuff.

522
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it speaks to you know, what you're

523
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: sort of saying about. There's there's the experience that you experience,

524
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: there's experienced the other person experience, and then there's the

525
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: experience itself.

526
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: There's the thing that's going on which doesn't mean anything,

527
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: and then there's your story about Bianca's story and my story,

528
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: and they're probably three different stories.

529
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that quote. For me.

530
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 4: It probably takes me back to when I first started

531
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: and I had a coach, Joyce Brown, who was an

532
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: absolute legend of the network world, and she was someone

533
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: who really took me under her wing and coached me

534
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 4: as a person.

535
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: And a player.

536
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 4: She's so much she cares so much about my life

537
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 4: away from the court as well as a player. But

538
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: she always used to say and put the quote up

539
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: on it in our team room, if it's to be,

540
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: it's up to me. And she wasn't meaning that in

541
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: a you know, it's up to you to win the

542
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 4: game or do it. It was about it's up to

543
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 4: you to control what you can to change, to learn

544
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 4: to evolve. It's all on your shoulders. Don't expect anyone

545
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 4: to come in and.

546
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: Just fix it.

547
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: For you to be accountable, Yeah, and just always.

548
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: Be in that mindset of learning, and so yeah, I

549
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 4: always remind myself of that, you know, even there's something

550
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: that I'm expecting someone else to change for me. When

551
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: I realized that, I could probably look a little bit

552
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: deeper internally and figure out away myself that that's it's

553
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: always up to me to have a think about that.

554
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just to pull on that threat. I think

555
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: it speaks to the idea of of accountability and blaming

556
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: others for our lack of success. Oh, things not going away?

557
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: How quickly we we point the finger. And it's maybe

558
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: that relationship between shame and blame that you're feeling shame

559
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: that it didn't work out and you don't want to

560
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: take accountability that if it's up to it's meant to be,

561
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: it's up to me. It's like what it was meant

562
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: to be, it was turfold or yeah, and they screwed

563
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: it for me. Like how quickly humans love to do that, right.

564
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: Negative mindset that comes with that, and I just hate

565
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 4: sitting in that space.

566
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got one. I often use a roomy quote.

567
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: I do love a bit of thirteenth century Sufism. As

568
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: you start to walk on the way, the way it

569
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: appears and I feel like a lot as you start

570
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: to walk on the way, the way appears, yes, but

571
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't want to walk because that

572
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: first step is the thing they're most scared of. Ye

573
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: and when you take that first step that leads to

574
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: step two, step three, you may not have it all

575
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: sorted out, you know, But if you've plotted a destination

576
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: you don't, you can also ditch the map and go

577
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: it may I may have different paths to get me there.

578
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: But if you don't plot a destination I think, and

579
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: have a goal or have a dream, it's hard, but

580
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: it's even harder if you don't, if you're not willing

581
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: to just take the first step. And there's such a

582
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: fear barrier with that that first step. I want to

583
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: sort of speak to where it's fear, you know, gotten

584
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: in your way of not being able to succee.

585
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: I think to that, it's like for me, it's about

586
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: where am I going? What's the destination? So getting there,

587
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: But really the prize is who we become getting there.

588
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: It's not about the top of the mountain. It's about

589
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: who you become climbing the mountain. Like you know, for me,

590
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: all the stuff that I've done some good, some bad,

591
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: some success, some failure. You know, fall down, fuck up,

592
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: get up, all that stuff. Like, it's really about the

593
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: knowledge and the insight and the skill and the understanding

594
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: and the experiences that you have in the middle of that.

595
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: That for me, it's like that's.

596
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Speaker 2: The space between the first step and landing at the

597
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: top of the mountain. That is Yeah, it's really the space.

598
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: You know. When we had Ben Crow on, we also

599
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: had called Asha Pacman on It's a great episode, but

600
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: he would say, I'm sure Asha would say that from

601
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: a soul's perspective, that's the space between birth and death.

602
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: You know, all the stuff that's happening in the middle

603
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: is the life, and that's where the dance is, That's

604
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: where the enjoyment is. That's where the curiosity, the adventure,

605
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: the play of it all is happening on the journey

606
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: to the destination, and we're so caught up in the

607
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: destination we miss the life and being alive in the middle.

608
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: And I think, if you can be curious around your fear, right,

609
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: So the goal is not to be fearless, because like,

610
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: being fearless is stupid, because there are some things we

611
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: should be scared of but that fear is going to

612
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: keep you alive right at times. But we can be.

613
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: In fact, we have to be scared to be courageous.

614
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: If you're not scared, well there's no courage required. And

615
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: so being being not controlled by fear but rather curious

616
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: about fear is maybe the better paradigm to try to go, yeah,

617
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm scared, cool, that's okay, you should be scared. That's

618
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: fucking terrifying.

619
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: But now what Yeah, I mean a line scared and

620
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: has that that that fear when it goes to kill

621
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: an antelope, and that's what that's what drives that. We

622
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: need that level of it. You know, I have that

623
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: bit of fear every time before poor Antelope get on stage.

624
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: I think Pav already said something like if you're not

625
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: if you're not scared, then it doesn't matter to you.

626
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: Then you don't care. You actually need a bit of

627
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: that fear.

628
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: To adrenaline rush, that nervous energy. That's why that's why

629
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: I love working TV now, especially live TV. It's the

630
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 4: same adrenaline rush that you get as an athlete when

631
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 4: you step out there onto the court. It's like, have

632
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: you done your prep out? You go like it's up

633
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: to you what happens next, and you.

634
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: Go with your liveness and liveness of it.

635
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: Well, I love it because it is like that if

636
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: you've if you've done your prep, you should be able

637
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: to figure your way out through no matter what happens,

638
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: but also not expecting it to be perfect. It's okay

639
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: if your stuff up or say the wrong thing, you

640
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: just to find your way back. And I really that

641
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 4: drives me a lot, and I love the energy from that.

642
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 4: But I think there's not much that replicates athlete life

643
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 4: out of outside of being an athlete, whereas live TV

644
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: and that. I guess it's performing like you, you really

645
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: feel that same energy and yeah, sometimes it scares the

646
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: life out of you, but it's bloody fun doing it.

647
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, grenlemen, Rush, you've done some coaching in your time.

648
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: You were the head coach of the Junior Neple Academy.

649
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had in my own academy out with Victoria University.

650
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. And do you still work in a mentor and

651
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: coaching space in ways?

652
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I work.

653
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: I work a lot in the leadership space, so working

654
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: with people within corporates or within teams, and a lot

655
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: of the stuff that we'll talk about is around that

656
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: kind of team environment and the kindness and the work

657
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: around the collaborating with each other and getting the best

658
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: out of what everyone can bring.

659
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: To the table.

660
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: That's what I do a lot of working now, and

661
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 4: I love that space. I love working with people. Again,

662
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 4: it's like being in that team sport environment where you

663
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: just got to figure out the best way forward for

664
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: that group. It doesn't always there's not one kind of

665
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 4: mold that.

666
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: Which speaks to what you were earlier, and you do

667
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: a I mean, you just so much in this space.

668
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: I want to having climbed mountains, and I'm curious about

669
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: this because I'm in this space too, having climbed and

670
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 2: got to the top of some really big mountains. What's

671
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: the feeling like going back down the mountain and helping

672
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 2: others get up? Which once again pulls on the threat

673
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: that you were talking about, really where that first part

674
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: of life is probably about us, and then life shifts

675
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: and it's really you know, not what you can get

676
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: from it, but what you can give to it to

677
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: give to others. What does that feel like for you, guys?

678
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, like when I talk about

679
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: it and I've said times the last part of my

680
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 4: career was my best part of my career. I played better,

681
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 4: I was a better person. I enjoyed it far more.

682
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 4: And it's because even in that moment as an athlete,

683
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 4: I was the older player, and I got so much

684
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: pride in watching the youngest girls come into the team

685
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 4: and do their things for the first time, play their

686
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: first game, you know, get out there in a moment,

687
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: and whether it's change a game the way they played

688
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 4: or eaten opposition that maybe it'd had the best of

689
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: them in the past, and.

690
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: That fueled me.

691
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 4: That energy that you got and the pride that you

692
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: get from seeing someone do something well or you know

693
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 4: that's challenged them and you've helped them work on it

694
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: during the week, and just what that can really do

695
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: for them. And I think when you step back and

696
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: now in the workplace that you do seeing people just

697
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 4: the light bulb moments that they might have where it's like, oh, actually,

698
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: if I think that way, maybe that is going to

699
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 4: help me. And you would get it a lot where

700
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: people will come back to you and give you feedback

701
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: about how that made them feel in that moment and

702
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: what it's done for their trajectory, and it's not that

703
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: you're changing their lives. It's just that you're get giving

704
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: them one little thing that might help them be in

705
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: a better space.

706
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I think if you can help and encourage people to

707
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: think more of themselves, like I think most people's biggest

708
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: barrier to success is literally how they think, not their potential,

709
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: not their possibilities, not their genetics. You know, of course

710
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: there are limitations, but you know, it's like, I'm not

711
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: particularly talented. I don't have great genetics. I wasn't a

712
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: brilliant academic. And it's not that I'm the high water

713
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: mark now, but you know, it's like I think for

714
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: some people, and you two are both even though you

715
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: said you're not naturally a great athlete, you're pretty good.

716
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: And I wasn't naturally a good singer.

717
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: Well, I actually think I'm naturally good singer.

718
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: Just actually, for.

719
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: Me, mediocrity was my superpower because it made me really

720
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: fucking motivated because I knew exactly I just had to

721
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: work harder because if I was going to be able to, Like,

722
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: we had these compulsory cross country runs every week, and

723
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: obviously when I was a fat kid one hundred and

724
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: thirty kids in my year. Every week I would come

725
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirtieth because I would walk it because

726
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't run it. And then six months later I

727
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: was winning every week, week after week after week number one.

728
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't because I was genetically great or fuck,

729
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: he's an athlete, isn't he not. It's like I just

730
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: ran seven days a week put in the world and

731
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: so I was doing what they weren't doing. And then

732
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: I started to create outcomes. And it wasn't about, oh,

733
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm a good runner. It was like, ah,

734
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: so if I apply myself, what like, what's possible? Because

735
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: my thinking was really the issue. Yeah, I didn't have

736
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: great genetics, but they weren't terrible, right, And I wasn't

737
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: an academic genius but not a moron. It's like, all right, well,

738
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: if I take whatever I've got, whether or not that's

739
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: creativity or intellect or physiology, and I put eleven out

740
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: of ten effort wrapped around that, what might I create?

741
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: You know? And because we're all scared, I're all dysfunctional,

742
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: and we're all a bit broken, we're also a bit

743
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: fucking amazing, like, but we need to let the amazing out,

744
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: and fear keeps the amazing in, you know, all laziness

745
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: or avoidance or procrastination or you know.

746
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: Whatever, all the derivative fear correct correct.

747
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: And so it's like, if I can get out of

748
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: my own way, if I can I remember having this

749
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: moment the first time, and I don't say this to

750
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: sound anything but just grateful. Where I ran an event.

751
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: It was just a me event, just Craig Harper at

752
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: Deacon and six hundred and seventy people in the six

753
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy person room, and everyone paid to go

754
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: and see me. I wasn't at someone else's event. I

755
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: wasn't at a convention. It wasn't a conference, and I

756
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: was one of the speakers. It was like six hundred

757
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: and seventy. And I remember being blown away, like I

758
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: used to be blown away that one person would pay

759
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: to listen to me, you know, And then six hundred

760
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: and seventy people on the sun they decided to come

761
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: and listen to what I had to say, and I

762
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: just remember thinking, not like ah, I good. I remember

763
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: thinking this is fucking amazing. How was this a thing

764
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: where this many people want to come to listen to

765
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: what I have to say, you know, and in that

766
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: moment it for me it was all about, ah, yeah,

767
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: like I'm not terrible, I'm not the best, but I've

768
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: got I've got ability, and I've got potential that I

769
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: can optimize and operationalize and create some good outcomes. And

770
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: so because I'm not this special human, I love working

771
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: with other people who have got at least as much

772
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: potential talent and genetic potential as me, and go, you

773
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: know what, I actually think, if you can, if you

774
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: can put in the effort and energy and courage, you'll

775
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: do something fucking amazing. And when you say that and

776
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: you mean it, because that that impacts them. Go, I'm

777
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: not telling you this because this sounds good. I'm not

778
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: saying this to inspire you. I truly think I don't

779
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: know if you will, by the way, because you might

780
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: be fucking lazy and you might be whatever, But I

781
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: think you could do something special.

782
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: So we've talked a lot about career and success. To

783
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: sort of close out, I want to know in terms

784
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: of a border spection of life, having you know, being

785
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 2: in your forties and now sixty and I'm pushing forty

786
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: for you guys.

787
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: What what what tox of forty.

788
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: What what does a more rounded life of success look like?

789
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: If you go a successful rounded life look for look

790
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: like for you guys.

791
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: Now, I think because my life is quite a typical

792
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: in that I'm not married, I don't have a partner,

793
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't have kids, and there ain't many sixty year

794
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: olds who are like that or who have never had that.

795
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: Are you wanting that?

796
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think she's todd in here.

797
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: I mean.

798
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: Got this bit. I don't not want it, you know,

799
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: But it's not like on my to do list, you know.

800
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: But it's like, in some ways being single is an

801
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: advantage in some ways not you know, some way is

802
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: the opposite. But I mean, like you, and this is

803
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: no revelation, this is no massive insight, but you get

804
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: to the point where you realize that really what matters

805
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: is connection and love and people, and when you when

806
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: you're younger, it's more more about ticking boxes and hitting

807
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: KPIs and you know, ticking the to do list or whatever.

808
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: Not always not everyone, of course, but for me it was.

809
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: But then you know, for me, it's like I kind

810
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: of have a family of people around me that I

811
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: intersect with that I coach that I mentor that I encourage,

812
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: that I love, and when they do great, it makes

813
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: me happy, you know. So yeah, yeah, so yeah, And

814
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I've got old parents. My mum's

815
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: eighty five in a minute, and my dad's eighty five,

816
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: and you know, so things change and your priorities shift,

817
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: and so most of like my priority in life right

818
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: now is them, yeah, you know, and just they're you know,

819
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: they're on the home straight, and just that they're as

820
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: okay as they can be, and I be the best

821
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: son that I can be for them, you know. And

822
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: so that's like I think when you know, when people

823
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: are sick or when things, you know, when you have

824
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: somebody that you know. It's like my training partner literally

825
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: died in the gym five years ago, Like he had

826
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: a heart attack. No he didn't, he had a cardiac

827
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: arrest and died. He's fine, he came back, but he

828
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: was dead for seventeen minutes. And I don't mean to

829
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: be melodramatic, because he's fine now. But when somebody that

830
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: you love is literally dying in front of you, and

831
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: you are the person, like you're the person that's going

832
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: to maybe allow them to keep living or it's I

833
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: didn't mean to go here anyway, but it's just what happened.

834
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, like nothing matters in the world.

835
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Like and it's amazing when when that's going on, how

836
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: how much absolute clarity and focus you have about what

837
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: is important and what is what isn't important? Is most

838
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: of what I think is important? Do you know what

839
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean?

840
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're basically like here, I don't know if

841
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: it works in about but with your relation with your

842
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: parents and your action with the gym partner, it's love

843
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: overrides everything.

844
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and like what you know, the insection of

845
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about now in a bit of science

846
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: is that you know, when we talk about health, wellness,

847
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: long longevity, success performance, we talk in a physical sense.

848
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: We talk about you know, lifestyle and nutrition and sleep

849
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: and exercise and occupational activity and incidental activity. And but

850
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: now more and more we know the research tells us

851
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: that may be the most important thing in terms of

852
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: immune system function, health, longevity, nervous system, gut health is

853
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: our social life is our relationships is if you get

854
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: somebody who ticks all the other boxes, you know, great diet,

855
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: great lifestyle, no boozs, no drugs. They work out all

856
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: the time, but they're lonely. It's not a good recipe, yea.

857
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: So love connection, there's an absolute correlation between you know,

858
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: the emotional, the psychological, the sociological, and the physical consequence

859
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: of all of that.

860
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: So that's so having love in your life, regardless of

861
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: whether it's a partner of kids, or whether or not it's.

862
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: Romantic love or you know, laborador called Scooby.

863
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: Doo, but you yeah, you've got lots of love in

864
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: your life, and that feels like a big measure of success.

865
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: And also for me, having purpose, Like the idea of

866
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: retirement has zero appealed to me, and not because I'm

867
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: a workaholic, but I've watched many people many retire and

868
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: spiral like we have this story in our head that

869
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: retirement is good. It actually it depends what retirement is,

870
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, if like you think about like my dad

871
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: went literally from managing multi billion dollar shopping centers where

872
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: he had lots of people that he was leading. He

873
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: had purpose, he had meetings, he had constant conversations, problem solving,

874
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: creating things. You know, on a Friday he retires and

875
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Monday his biggest project is what to watch or whether

876
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: or not he's going to go look at the tomatoes.

877
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: And I reckon my dad aged five years in five months. Yeah,

878
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: because we need whether or not it's at work or

879
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: somewhere else, we need a purpose, We need a reason,

880
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: we need a thing to do, and we need to

881
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: fucking keep using our brain. You know, we need to.

882
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: I believe I'm very passionate about this. Like I'm sixty one,

883
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: my brain works as well or better than when I

884
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: was thirty. Like my cognitive function only because I do

885
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: the work is right up there for my potential. But

886
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: it's because I'm doing a PhD. It's because I read

887
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: every day. It's because I teach every day. It's because

888
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm mentor every day. It's because I fucking think deeply.

889
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: Like we take our body to gym, we need to

890
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: take our brain to the gym and keep doing it.

891
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: And if you're over fifty listening to this, even more so,

892
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: do you need to do it? Train your brain lift

893
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: heavy things. That's my advice.

894
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you speak to that purpose thing, and we're

895
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: spoke to it in this chat. In some way, I

896
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: think we basically need to ask ourselves three questions in

897
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 2: life that I think are potentially the most important existential questions,

898
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: which is who am I? We've discussed that a lot

899
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: around the awareness chat what do I want to feel?

900
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: You know, not just what do I want to do?

901
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: What do I want to feel? And what's my what's

902
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: my purpose? And I think if you can answer those things,

903
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 2: and I think some people kin'd even answer the first one,

904
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: they didn't even know who they are. But if you're

905
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: can answer those three questions and and it might shift

906
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: and you know, move in some in some ways. But

907
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: that the three questions I think are really important to

908
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: come back to often in life. And yeah, going back

909
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: to the original question, what does a rounded life as

910
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: success look like to you? Now?

911
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: Well, I mean.

912
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: I've probably hit nail on ahead, but just around that

913
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 4: love element, being able to do what you love and

914
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 4: spend time with people that you love like. I think

915
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: it's quite simple now, not as in it's simple to do,

916
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 4: but it's just if you can do that and find

917
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: that and chase that feeling of things that make you

918
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 4: feel good and that you love to do, to be

919
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 4: able to make that and call that a job, I

920
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: think I feel very grateful and I want to be

921
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 4: able to continue to do that as for as long

922
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 4: as I can, because I give my best to it

923
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 4: because of it, you know, because I love it. And

924
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: then obviously being and surrounding yourself with all the people

925
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 4: that you want to spend time with.

926
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: Love and share love. Yeah, which is you know, the end,

927
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: A full circle back to Chris Martin Good gave so much,

928
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: and it's yeah, that's the connection that we're after. That

929
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: is the that's the oneness, you know, when we're in

930
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: that space of love, we feel such a oneness. Guys,

931
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Speaker 2: chatters hearts, thank you so much for coming on today.

932
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: It's been amazing to chat. I love that we've gone

933
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: down the path of success and it's led us to

934
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: so many different tangents. Thanks to you for your energy

935
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: and passion and wisdom and experience and all and all

936
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: those shares. I really appreciate having you both on you.

937
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: It's been great.

938
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: Thank you. Good see shatters, good sneer mate, thanks mate.

939
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Well there you go.

940
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Speaker 3: Gang.

941
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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that. I love him. He's a

942
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: good dude. I love her. She's Ace and of course

943
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 1: I love you. See you next time.